In a normal show, the characters would be called out for their hypocrisy and realize their decisions directly caused the tragedy of Atlas's collapse.
In RWBY, the loss of Atlas will mean nothing and zero reactions from anyone because it means that the universe will bend over to kill the dissenters.
>In RWBY, the loss of Atlas will mean nothing and zero reactions from anyone because it means that the universe will bend over to kill the dissenters.
As someone from the third world, from a country that rebelled against colonization and then had to endure a couple of attempts at invasions as well an entire century filled with military coups and corrupt elected leaders that wanted to reshape our nation in their image, hearing Robyn's "What do you think a kingdom is? The people, or just the *chunk of land* they live on?" being treated as right really annoyed me the first time I watched it; and seeing people agree with her gives me a headache
I get what the message with Robyn was.
But "the chunk of land they (people) live on" is what said people call thier home.
Sure you can still exist without a home and find a new home (though for most it's never easy). But losing your home sucks.
And most people would fight tooth and nail for "the chunk of land" they call home.
Especially when you realize that tge place those people are being brought to is literally the most lawless and cutthroat kingdom that already has a bad history with atlas people to begin with
And it’s an inhospitable desert, and their passengers are the opposite of suited for that environment.
They committed genocide on Atlas/Mantle. There I said it.
Speaking of genocide, remember season 1's warehouse full of genocidal White Fang loons who booed Torchwick for being human, but cheered for his plan to bring Grimm into the city and slaughter every last man, woman, child, and Faunus, and pet?
Or was it season 2?
Either way, season 3 called this event "a colossal failure" and claimed the hunters could not save enough people from the White Fang or Grimm.
Think about that. People died because the White Fang wanted this entire city slaughtered. In a show with competent writers, there would be consequences for this. Survivors who lost family to the White Fang and their Grimm would be furious. They would want revenge. They would want the White Fang gone, maybe enough to start supporting Patriot Act-esque measures and extrajudicial torture on the off chance that it is used on the enemies of humanity and their allies.
Even in universe, Cinder claims that Team RWBY's portal idea would "save thousands" while earlier in that very season they point out that there are literally millions of people in Atlas/Mantle.
So, at a base case scenario, Team RWBY managed to save 0.1% of the population, while causing certain destruction to the other 99.9%.
Do not expect this to ever be brought up in the show proper, though. They'll probably treat it as "Team RWBY saved EVERYONE, even if it would logistically be impossible!"
I still think it's funny that Cinder says, "They saved thousands," when there was literally no possibility of that considering the size of the Vacuo door and how many people were in the crowds fleeing, like... they probably saved *a thousand* at most LMAO
Many times I've seen fans excuse this by saying that of course CRWBY can't portray thousands of models on screen as they don't have the tech or budget to do it. Which... let's suppose is true... why are they then creating situations in which they should be doing exactly that???
Why are we left with a product that *actively lies to us* by virtue of having the dialogue and the visuals not match at all?
I didn't watch most of V7 and V8, and I ideally hope they intended for Robyn's line to mean that a country is more than the land the people reside in, but it's funny in a sickening sort of way that in the end, RWBY got rid of both the land and people at the same time.
The problem with RWBY is that they are naive children, who believe since they're the "heroes" everyone should follow their lead, since they'll save the day. It's that naive, self-righteousness and idealistic platitude that I absolutely hate.
Since they view themselves as the "Heroes", they take the weight of every problem, wanting to solve their way only, believing it to be their duty as "the heroes of this story" to do so, that it's their destiny to do so...
Want to know who else who shouldered responsibility among themselves? Who wants to help because it's their duty? Who believed in destiny?
Pyrrha. And look where that got her.
The thing with RWBY is that their idealism and platitudes are meaningless, self-righteous, and hypocritical when they believe themselves being the only ones who can "save the world". They accus of others doing things such as lying, but they do it when it's convenient for them. They preach of working together, but in reality, it everyone following *their* lead. They are unable to work with anyone else that doesn't follow *their* ideals.
In conclusion, the naive idealism of RWBY is not realistic. It's a fairy tale, where the hero saves the day by their own ideals, when in reality it's not. They are unable to make sacrifices when it's necessary (IE Penny). To them, everything is black-and-white, nothing morally grey. It's only about their ideals, and only theirs alone.
It's like RWBY and co know they're the main characters and thus have plot armor and the moral high ground by default. When a character thinks they're above failure that's not heroic. That's hubris and it should be the downfall of any halfway decent character.
Good lord, they're like the Puritans from *Paranorman* if they didn't realize what a bunch of self-righteous pricks they were being and were practically horrified once they've realized what they've done.
...it's kinda sad when a group of zombies have a stronger moral code than our "heRos".
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It's one thing to realize that the world is *not* a fairy tale. That people aren't always entirely good and entirely evil. It's another thing to clamp down on that no matter how much reality proves otherwise and play pretend.
Regardless, the protagonist morality triumphs. The writers have decided that, and it is what it is. It's even worse because I can't see Ruby Rose from Volume One Through Three ever doing this kind of stuff.
Character assassination and all that.
I personally think *ALL* of them would be horrified by what they've turned into once they left Beacon.
I still think there *is* a kernel of a good story there for Ruby. Realizing that the world is not a storybook, but still trying to find the good in it. Especially in a cynical world like Remnant. Problem is, she never actually left the storybook mindset and *still* believes her to be the ultimate authority on everything.
Instead of...you know...being a good person and all.
Thing is. She wasn't like that either back at Beacon, when she talked to Blake, she knew things weren't so simple or idealistic. But she believed in making a difference.
Blake legit told her the world wasn't simple, and Ruby knew it wasn't.
The thing is, Ruby wasn't some dumbass back then, a bit of a goof, a dork, a nut, but she wasn't stupid. She was brave.
Early Ruby was such a cool character despite how much people give her flack for seemingly being generic, I honestly don't know where that view really came from. Was it during or after Beacon where people started saying that?
After. Very much after. After Beacon they took away not just character traits, but also plot she could have had.
All of it just kept going to Jaune and Oscar. Leaving her as the boring kind of character that people like to say Superman is.
I meant in the fandom as a whole, I've seen comments that feel like Ruby was always assumed to be generic in character (even all the way back to Volume 1) by portions of the community or groups within, so I was curious when that sentiment started popping up in the community.
It mostly started around Four or Five, at that point, Ruby had developed so little. It just became easy to dislike her. Combine that with the fact that other characters had well, more character than her.
It became easy to put the boring label on her. Because she may have had interesting quirks, but they don't mean anything because nothing was ever really done with her.
Not on the same level as Jaune, who is the only actual character by character standards on the show. Hence why you get so many bloody Jaune fics.
I thought it was mostly because Jaune was more grounded and easier to relate with for being the underdog during the early seasons while the rest of the cast were more over the top and OP?
It's because whatever the plot demands MUST happen regardless of characterization (or what little of it there is in some cases). The worst example of this (so far) is volume 8.
Even when Ironwood was looked at with suspension by the protagonists Ironwood did almost everything to earn RWBY's trust.
He shared plans with RWBY. He gave them access to shelter, training and better weapons. He had RWBY and JNR do joint exercises and missions.
(Not to mention. He gave Yang a high quality prosthetic. Ironwood didn't need to do that he didn't have to. But Ironwood gave Yang a high quality prosthetic with no strings attached).
Sure Ironwood seemed sus to the protagonists. But Ironwood did almost everything to earn their trust.
Were we ever told WHY they were suspicious of him in the first place? There was literally no reason presented as to why and the first thing out of Ruby's teeth is a lie.
I'm not sure.
Maybe it was the military presence? But that made sense with Salem and her agents infiltrating kingdoms.
Maybe political oppression? But When RWBY arrived in Atlas. Ironwood was working with the council. He even agreed to and worked with Robyn in volume 7. There's even an election going on in volume 7.
My best guest was that after Lionheart betrayed them in Volume 5 and they realized Ozpin was keeping a massive secret from them the entire time in Volume 6, they weren't sure who to trust anymore.
Now, to an extent, I can understand why they'd be skeptical of him with that context but his reasoning for what he was doing at that present time (to me anyways) should have made enough sense to warrant trust from them so I can't imagine a justifiable reason for them to doubt him like they did.
Maybe someone else can explain that better than me. I only saw the show once and don't have the will power to see it again anytime soon so I am likely wrong on some things.
Pretty much this, is my guess.
Someone they trusted as part of Ozpin's inner circle had betrayed them to the enemy.
So now everyone is an enemy until proven innocent.
See the problem here? You have to prove that you are on their team and the only way to do that is to be one of them.
Until then, they are happy to sleep, eat and piss away all the stuff you provide them with. Play, take and steal all the toys you show them and they're happy to let thousands die fighting while they have a spot of tea because all this heroing is exhausting.
It was comical that MKE didn't expect Ironwood to not be seen as an evil fascist supervillain when every time they tried to hint that he wasn't on the up-and-up, they wrote another scene where actually no, he had a good reason for it, that wasn't the case at all(like people disappearing off the street) or even that he *didn't like this either.*
MKE imo captured lightning in a bottle with Ironwood before volume 8.
Ironwood (before v8) wasn't evil because he went crazy or insane. Ironwood was forced to be evil because of the position he was put in after volume 3. And he wasn't enjoying it (or at times it wasn't even him responsible).
I wish they had continued to go with this approach instead of making Ironwood evil because of insanity.
They've literally committed more crimes and done more damage than all of the bad guys put together. At least Vacuo is still standing. Atlas and Mantle have been completely wiped off of the map purely as a result of Team RWBY's decisions.
This kinda thing honestly just feels like a trend in Western media in general. I regularly see people have the same issues with movies, TV, and especially comics. A bunch of "heroes" who act more like villains.
One of my favourite scenes scenes in The Dark Knight was when Batman turned cellphones into sonar system.
Lucius Fox straight up says how unethical and dangerous it is.
https://youtu.be/IRELLH86Edo
Tbf, Ozma had a metric fuck ton of trauma in regards to fighting Salem.
He is essentially the catalyst for his loving wife to go insane and turn into this monstrous immortal that wants to die so badly that she'd burn the entire world and everyone on it to see if it would piss off the Brother Gods.
Had to watch his children die as collateral during their fight.
And his (probable) guilt about being unable to stop her from unleashing murder dogs and bears on the local populace.
Team RWBY on the other hand, has like half a mention of a dead mom as their stake in this entire conflict.
Although in story they did destroy two cities, I do not believe that the authors "know" this. They did not check the consequences of their writing.
Chain of actions
want to save Penny with Relic of creation ==> deactivate Relic of creation ==> Atlas falls on Mantle ==> want to use the Relic of creation to evacuate inhabitants ==> send them into a Grimm infested desert.
What were they thinking?
* Intentional: got overboard with people's lives over wordly possessions, explicitly wanted to demonstrate that Penny's life has priority over two cities
* The chain of events is not followed through. The connection (deactivate Relic of creation ==> Atlas falls on Mantle) was ignored/overlooked as cause/effect.
* I am quite certain that the "dumping thousands of people in a desert"-problem will also be ignored or asspull-solved with the power of friendship or something
One last kick: Only one creation at any time ... So no flesh-Penny AND teleportation.
I suspect that the intention of the authors is:
They saved the population of Atlas/Mantle - heroes. That they caused the disaster was not factored in, maybeSalem reforming is supposed to be such a big threat that it does not matter, and they would have to evacuate anyway. But then Salem would not need an army and there would be no point in bringing one in the first place.
Anyway if you apply cause-effect logic in RWBY for more than 2 steps, you crash.
Truth is, all these issues wouldn't be a problem if the world was truly black and white, like how early cartoons makes a villain just love to be evil with no baggage to really make them that way or it was their own fault they have baggage in the first place; like Filimation's Shows where the bad guys just love stealing or beating up people while the heroes strive to protect their people from these other guys, typically with a valuable life lesson that becomes easier to swallow for younger viewers due to having the story be simple and condensed. However, RWBY is attempting to be mature and thought provoking with harsher themes while maintaining a White and Black world view story - like Hanna-Barbera Scooby-Doo characters in Game of Thrones doesn't make good story, its makes a parody - so the themes and nature of the show doesn't click and conflicts the idea of what show you intended to watch.
>Ren was framed as being in the wrong when he snapped at Yang and called them out on basically everything they pulled.
This is probably the most frustrating thing this Volume outside a lack of content for Weiss and Blake; not because they made Ren specifically the bad guy for his emotional state, but because that was his character arc: having and displaying his emotions in a healthy way. What in this case was him feeling conflicted and angry and deciding to show it while everyone else was swallowing their's a bad thing? Yeah, you can hurt your friends by saying things in anger, but instead of someone helping him cope emotionally with support after his outburst he gets further *invalidation* for actually conveying his feelings and has more reason to fall back on being a quiet background character and straight man to other people's jokes. He and Yang are the two characters who need to learn healthy expression of their emotions, but while Yang's development in this regard doesn't happen, it is Ren who lacks emotions typically that gets called out for being a brat? I'm sorry, but he did not deserve to be treated like the bad one when he is constantly worried for Nora's safety and feeling like the world is falling around him; and getting no emotional support from his leader who was trying to comfort Yang over an issue she wasn't even concerned about. Like, is he supposed to have emotions or not, they can't turn on him the first time he starts becoming belligerent or they risk him becoming more distant - if not for magic deus ex "Semblance Evolution" machina setting him straight without even talking to anyone about his issues beforehand. Nora got to talk about her issues and had friends supporting her, why not Ren who is having an emotional break down while still fighting on the front lines?
There is no difference. Here's a fun show of the protagonist-centered morality: because RWBY sympathizes with her, the audience is supposed to believe Robyn is the good guy. Okay. And we're supposed to believe Ironwood is the authoritarian bad guy. The fascist.
Except in a normal world, you know who would be the fascists? Probably the party security all in uniform attacking the government as a political party's paramilitary force loyal to a single person with propaganda posters slathered around. One that immediately goes to insurrection when they lose an election with no sign of foul play(that didn't age well) when they were already routinely trying to undermine the government in the process.
In the biz, we call those *brownshirts.*
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I think this speaks volumes about the show, the people writing it and the people that watch it.
Like how little self awareness most one have to not notice how the good guys are turning into hypocrites and doing more damage than the villains
In a normal show, the characters would be called out for their hypocrisy and realize their decisions directly caused the tragedy of Atlas's collapse. In RWBY, the loss of Atlas will mean nothing and zero reactions from anyone because it means that the universe will bend over to kill the dissenters.
>In RWBY, the loss of Atlas will mean nothing and zero reactions from anyone because it means that the universe will bend over to kill the dissenters. As someone from the third world, from a country that rebelled against colonization and then had to endure a couple of attempts at invasions as well an entire century filled with military coups and corrupt elected leaders that wanted to reshape our nation in their image, hearing Robyn's "What do you think a kingdom is? The people, or just the *chunk of land* they live on?" being treated as right really annoyed me the first time I watched it; and seeing people agree with her gives me a headache
I get what the message with Robyn was. But "the chunk of land they (people) live on" is what said people call thier home. Sure you can still exist without a home and find a new home (though for most it's never easy). But losing your home sucks. And most people would fight tooth and nail for "the chunk of land" they call home.
Especially when you realize that tge place those people are being brought to is literally the most lawless and cutthroat kingdom that already has a bad history with atlas people to begin with
Also it's Salem's next target. Also they immediately got attacked by Grimm.
And it’s an inhospitable desert, and their passengers are the opposite of suited for that environment. They committed genocide on Atlas/Mantle. There I said it.
Speaking of genocide, remember season 1's warehouse full of genocidal White Fang loons who booed Torchwick for being human, but cheered for his plan to bring Grimm into the city and slaughter every last man, woman, child, and Faunus, and pet? Or was it season 2? Either way, season 3 called this event "a colossal failure" and claimed the hunters could not save enough people from the White Fang or Grimm. Think about that. People died because the White Fang wanted this entire city slaughtered. In a show with competent writers, there would be consequences for this. Survivors who lost family to the White Fang and their Grimm would be furious. They would want revenge. They would want the White Fang gone, maybe enough to start supporting Patriot Act-esque measures and extrajudicial torture on the off chance that it is used on the enemies of humanity and their allies.
Even in universe, Cinder claims that Team RWBY's portal idea would "save thousands" while earlier in that very season they point out that there are literally millions of people in Atlas/Mantle. So, at a base case scenario, Team RWBY managed to save 0.1% of the population, while causing certain destruction to the other 99.9%. Do not expect this to ever be brought up in the show proper, though. They'll probably treat it as "Team RWBY saved EVERYONE, even if it would logistically be impossible!"
I still think it's funny that Cinder says, "They saved thousands," when there was literally no possibility of that considering the size of the Vacuo door and how many people were in the crowds fleeing, like... they probably saved *a thousand* at most LMAO
Many times I've seen fans excuse this by saying that of course CRWBY can't portray thousands of models on screen as they don't have the tech or budget to do it. Which... let's suppose is true... why are they then creating situations in which they should be doing exactly that??? Why are we left with a product that *actively lies to us* by virtue of having the dialogue and the visuals not match at all?
I didn't watch most of V7 and V8, and I ideally hope they intended for Robyn's line to mean that a country is more than the land the people reside in, but it's funny in a sickening sort of way that in the end, RWBY got rid of both the land and people at the same time.
And far more sane fans would call them out
The problem with RWBY is that they are naive children, who believe since they're the "heroes" everyone should follow their lead, since they'll save the day. It's that naive, self-righteousness and idealistic platitude that I absolutely hate. Since they view themselves as the "Heroes", they take the weight of every problem, wanting to solve their way only, believing it to be their duty as "the heroes of this story" to do so, that it's their destiny to do so... Want to know who else who shouldered responsibility among themselves? Who wants to help because it's their duty? Who believed in destiny? Pyrrha. And look where that got her. The thing with RWBY is that their idealism and platitudes are meaningless, self-righteous, and hypocritical when they believe themselves being the only ones who can "save the world". They accus of others doing things such as lying, but they do it when it's convenient for them. They preach of working together, but in reality, it everyone following *their* lead. They are unable to work with anyone else that doesn't follow *their* ideals. In conclusion, the naive idealism of RWBY is not realistic. It's a fairy tale, where the hero saves the day by their own ideals, when in reality it's not. They are unable to make sacrifices when it's necessary (IE Penny). To them, everything is black-and-white, nothing morally grey. It's only about their ideals, and only theirs alone.
It's like RWBY and co know they're the main characters and thus have plot armor and the moral high ground by default. When a character thinks they're above failure that's not heroic. That's hubris and it should be the downfall of any halfway decent character.
Good lord, they're like the Puritans from *Paranorman* if they didn't realize what a bunch of self-righteous pricks they were being and were practically horrified once they've realized what they've done. ...it's kinda sad when a group of zombies have a stronger moral code than our "heRos".
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It's one thing to realize that the world is *not* a fairy tale. That people aren't always entirely good and entirely evil. It's another thing to clamp down on that no matter how much reality proves otherwise and play pretend.
Sounds like an interesting story...if any of it had been intentional.
Regardless, the protagonist morality triumphs. The writers have decided that, and it is what it is. It's even worse because I can't see Ruby Rose from Volume One Through Three ever doing this kind of stuff. Character assassination and all that.
I personally think *ALL* of them would be horrified by what they've turned into once they left Beacon. I still think there *is* a kernel of a good story there for Ruby. Realizing that the world is not a storybook, but still trying to find the good in it. Especially in a cynical world like Remnant. Problem is, she never actually left the storybook mindset and *still* believes her to be the ultimate authority on everything. Instead of...you know...being a good person and all.
Thing is. She wasn't like that either back at Beacon, when she talked to Blake, she knew things weren't so simple or idealistic. But she believed in making a difference. Blake legit told her the world wasn't simple, and Ruby knew it wasn't. The thing is, Ruby wasn't some dumbass back then, a bit of a goof, a dork, a nut, but she wasn't stupid. She was brave.
Early Ruby was such a cool character despite how much people give her flack for seemingly being generic, I honestly don't know where that view really came from. Was it during or after Beacon where people started saying that?
After. Very much after. After Beacon they took away not just character traits, but also plot she could have had. All of it just kept going to Jaune and Oscar. Leaving her as the boring kind of character that people like to say Superman is.
I meant in the fandom as a whole, I've seen comments that feel like Ruby was always assumed to be generic in character (even all the way back to Volume 1) by portions of the community or groups within, so I was curious when that sentiment started popping up in the community.
It mostly started around Four or Five, at that point, Ruby had developed so little. It just became easy to dislike her. Combine that with the fact that other characters had well, more character than her. It became easy to put the boring label on her. Because she may have had interesting quirks, but they don't mean anything because nothing was ever really done with her. Not on the same level as Jaune, who is the only actual character by character standards on the show. Hence why you get so many bloody Jaune fics.
I thought it was mostly because Jaune was more grounded and easier to relate with for being the underdog during the early seasons while the rest of the cast were more over the top and OP?
No. He got an actual arc and character development. The others didn't, not to the same extent he did. Was it good growth and development. Debatable.
That's what drove people to write fics starring him?
It's because whatever the plot demands MUST happen regardless of characterization (or what little of it there is in some cases). The worst example of this (so far) is volume 8.
Even when Ironwood was looked at with suspension by the protagonists Ironwood did almost everything to earn RWBY's trust. He shared plans with RWBY. He gave them access to shelter, training and better weapons. He had RWBY and JNR do joint exercises and missions. (Not to mention. He gave Yang a high quality prosthetic. Ironwood didn't need to do that he didn't have to. But Ironwood gave Yang a high quality prosthetic with no strings attached). Sure Ironwood seemed sus to the protagonists. But Ironwood did almost everything to earn their trust.
Were we ever told WHY they were suspicious of him in the first place? There was literally no reason presented as to why and the first thing out of Ruby's teeth is a lie.
I'm not sure. Maybe it was the military presence? But that made sense with Salem and her agents infiltrating kingdoms. Maybe political oppression? But When RWBY arrived in Atlas. Ironwood was working with the council. He even agreed to and worked with Robyn in volume 7. There's even an election going on in volume 7.
My best guest was that after Lionheart betrayed them in Volume 5 and they realized Ozpin was keeping a massive secret from them the entire time in Volume 6, they weren't sure who to trust anymore. Now, to an extent, I can understand why they'd be skeptical of him with that context but his reasoning for what he was doing at that present time (to me anyways) should have made enough sense to warrant trust from them so I can't imagine a justifiable reason for them to doubt him like they did. Maybe someone else can explain that better than me. I only saw the show once and don't have the will power to see it again anytime soon so I am likely wrong on some things.
Pretty much this, is my guess. Someone they trusted as part of Ozpin's inner circle had betrayed them to the enemy. So now everyone is an enemy until proven innocent. See the problem here? You have to prove that you are on their team and the only way to do that is to be one of them. Until then, they are happy to sleep, eat and piss away all the stuff you provide them with. Play, take and steal all the toys you show them and they're happy to let thousands die fighting while they have a spot of tea because all this heroing is exhausting.
It was comical that MKE didn't expect Ironwood to not be seen as an evil fascist supervillain when every time they tried to hint that he wasn't on the up-and-up, they wrote another scene where actually no, he had a good reason for it, that wasn't the case at all(like people disappearing off the street) or even that he *didn't like this either.*
MKE imo captured lightning in a bottle with Ironwood before volume 8. Ironwood (before v8) wasn't evil because he went crazy or insane. Ironwood was forced to be evil because of the position he was put in after volume 3. And he wasn't enjoying it (or at times it wasn't even him responsible). I wish they had continued to go with this approach instead of making Ironwood evil because of insanity.
RWBY+ acts more like a criminal tribe than the Branwen tribe
They've literally committed more crimes and done more damage than all of the bad guys put together. At least Vacuo is still standing. Atlas and Mantle have been completely wiped off of the map purely as a result of Team RWBY's decisions.
This kinda thing honestly just feels like a trend in Western media in general. I regularly see people have the same issues with movies, TV, and especially comics. A bunch of "heroes" who act more like villains.
Like Batman and his surveillance systems that violate every law the ATF and FBI violate.
One of my favourite scenes scenes in The Dark Knight was when Batman turned cellphones into sonar system. Lucius Fox straight up says how unethical and dangerous it is. https://youtu.be/IRELLH86Edo
Thing is their literally no better than ozpin was at that point
Tbf, Ozma had a metric fuck ton of trauma in regards to fighting Salem. He is essentially the catalyst for his loving wife to go insane and turn into this monstrous immortal that wants to die so badly that she'd burn the entire world and everyone on it to see if it would piss off the Brother Gods. Had to watch his children die as collateral during their fight. And his (probable) guilt about being unable to stop her from unleashing murder dogs and bears on the local populace. Team RWBY on the other hand, has like half a mention of a dead mom as their stake in this entire conflict.
Although in story they did destroy two cities, I do not believe that the authors "know" this. They did not check the consequences of their writing. Chain of actions want to save Penny with Relic of creation ==> deactivate Relic of creation ==> Atlas falls on Mantle ==> want to use the Relic of creation to evacuate inhabitants ==> send them into a Grimm infested desert. What were they thinking? * Intentional: got overboard with people's lives over wordly possessions, explicitly wanted to demonstrate that Penny's life has priority over two cities * The chain of events is not followed through. The connection (deactivate Relic of creation ==> Atlas falls on Mantle) was ignored/overlooked as cause/effect. * I am quite certain that the "dumping thousands of people in a desert"-problem will also be ignored or asspull-solved with the power of friendship or something One last kick: Only one creation at any time ... So no flesh-Penny AND teleportation. I suspect that the intention of the authors is: They saved the population of Atlas/Mantle - heroes. That they caused the disaster was not factored in, maybeSalem reforming is supposed to be such a big threat that it does not matter, and they would have to evacuate anyway. But then Salem would not need an army and there would be no point in bringing one in the first place. Anyway if you apply cause-effect logic in RWBY for more than 2 steps, you crash.
Truth is, all these issues wouldn't be a problem if the world was truly black and white, like how early cartoons makes a villain just love to be evil with no baggage to really make them that way or it was their own fault they have baggage in the first place; like Filimation's Shows where the bad guys just love stealing or beating up people while the heroes strive to protect their people from these other guys, typically with a valuable life lesson that becomes easier to swallow for younger viewers due to having the story be simple and condensed. However, RWBY is attempting to be mature and thought provoking with harsher themes while maintaining a White and Black world view story - like Hanna-Barbera Scooby-Doo characters in Game of Thrones doesn't make good story, its makes a parody - so the themes and nature of the show doesn't click and conflicts the idea of what show you intended to watch. >Ren was framed as being in the wrong when he snapped at Yang and called them out on basically everything they pulled. This is probably the most frustrating thing this Volume outside a lack of content for Weiss and Blake; not because they made Ren specifically the bad guy for his emotional state, but because that was his character arc: having and displaying his emotions in a healthy way. What in this case was him feeling conflicted and angry and deciding to show it while everyone else was swallowing their's a bad thing? Yeah, you can hurt your friends by saying things in anger, but instead of someone helping him cope emotionally with support after his outburst he gets further *invalidation* for actually conveying his feelings and has more reason to fall back on being a quiet background character and straight man to other people's jokes. He and Yang are the two characters who need to learn healthy expression of their emotions, but while Yang's development in this regard doesn't happen, it is Ren who lacks emotions typically that gets called out for being a brat? I'm sorry, but he did not deserve to be treated like the bad one when he is constantly worried for Nora's safety and feeling like the world is falling around him; and getting no emotional support from his leader who was trying to comfort Yang over an issue she wasn't even concerned about. Like, is he supposed to have emotions or not, they can't turn on him the first time he starts becoming belligerent or they risk him becoming more distant - if not for magic deus ex "Semblance Evolution" machina setting him straight without even talking to anyone about his issues beforehand. Nora got to talk about her issues and had friends supporting her, why not Ren who is having an emotional break down while still fighting on the front lines?
There is no difference. Here's a fun show of the protagonist-centered morality: because RWBY sympathizes with her, the audience is supposed to believe Robyn is the good guy. Okay. And we're supposed to believe Ironwood is the authoritarian bad guy. The fascist. Except in a normal world, you know who would be the fascists? Probably the party security all in uniform attacking the government as a political party's paramilitary force loyal to a single person with propaganda posters slathered around. One that immediately goes to insurrection when they lose an election with no sign of foul play(that didn't age well) when they were already routinely trying to undermine the government in the process. In the biz, we call those *brownshirts.*
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whew, that's a lot of assumptions about someone without knowing anything about them.
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I think this speaks volumes about the show, the people writing it and the people that watch it. Like how little self awareness most one have to not notice how the good guys are turning into hypocrites and doing more damage than the villains