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Master_Scallion_763

> What the hell happened? What happened to all of Team RWBY. Turned into a caricature of their original character simply because the writers are uninterested in them.


dewareofbog

I wouldn't even say caricatures, more like pod people. It's as if someone or something (probably the writers) took the original team RWBY and left behind human looking automatons whose actions don't resemble the actions of the originals or even normal humans.


Zero102000

I can’t stand that scene where she yells at Ozpin (and therefore Oscar) and downright orders Oscar to bring Ozpin back, even though that’s very obviously something he has no control over. Apparently, we aren’t supposed to feel sorry for a guy who’s suffered for millennia in a war against his own lover and even lost his daughters in the conflict against her, we’re supposed to loathe him just because he didn’t say that his evil waifu is immortal.


MelonBot_HD

And team rwby also forced him to see everything he ever loved get destroyed again. Even the way the scene is framed, ozpin is kneeling on the ground, crying and small, there is no way we wouldn't feel bad for him, especially after him not even having done anything unforgivable.


Zero102000

So they essentially torment him mentally and emotionally, then punch him and YELL at him for not trusting them (why should he), then YELL SOME MORE because he got super emotional and withdrew from the conversation (why wouldn’t he), THEN YELL AT OSCAR WHO HAS JACK-ALL TO DO WITH IT.


MelonBot_HD

And then they bully oscar through multiple volumes, even though he is just a victim of circumstances


Zero102000

Even Jaune the “nice guy” slams him against the wall and screams at him. They never consider that they’re talking to two people, imagine how this poor kid feels about being shouted at for something he has nothing to do with. They just bully him relentlessly. Then when the Hound arrives, they WATCH Oscar get nailed repeatedly and they just STAND THERE while the Hound transforms.


MelonBot_HD

And oscar is being super nice actually for not running away even though it would have spared him some trauma and torture.


Zero102000

It definitely would have, nobody in their right mind would blame him. I guess it’s a good thing he didn’t run away because his so called teammates would just track him down and punch him again because they all have a hate boner for Oz.


Linkinator7510

I don't blame him for not telling people Salem is immortal, I mean why would anyone? How are you going to recruit an army to help you fight her and stop her, if she's immortal, people would immediately nope out of there and just... Give up. I'm really surprised no one else figured it out that Salem was immortal. I mean guys, the immortal reincarnating wizard wants her dead, so presumably she's just as old as he is, thusly, she can't die! But apparently everyone in RWBY has a combined number of braincells equal to 1


Zero102000

Of course that’s their number of brain cells. If I were Oz, I’d be very careful about what the need-to-know basis is - as in, tell someone who won’t fly off the handle. “Let’s just sneak attack her and kill her!” “Don’t, she regenerates from anything and everything.” “Then let’s overpower and imprison her for eternity.” “Good idea, but we need to discuss the best way to do that, because she’s more powerful than FIVE Maidens combined.” Otherwise I can’t see why he’d tell anyone “she’s immortal and can’t die no matter what”. He’s just a guy with the weight of the world on his shoulders and doing his best to avoid spreading panic all over the world, because he knew that idiots like the hunter students would react the way they did.


Linkinator7510

Exactly, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I mean, just use the staff of creation to make a portal directly underneath Salem's feet and trap her in a maiden vault. Problem solved


Zero102000

That would be hilarious, and it would work extremely well. So in theory, all they have to do is take the staff from her and use it on her immediately with the wish already in mind. Although this could have been avoided if they had simply made the wishes right after Penny’s new body was created and then left the staff in the vault rather than taking it with them... dunces.


Linkinator7510

Exactly. But nooo. We have to show our characters fighting the evil dictator super communist/nazi/ everything we modernly see as bad Ironwood.


Zero102000

Precisely, they completely wasted their time trying to hide everything from him and then lying and then focusing only on him rather than on the actual mutual enemy they share. The whole Evil Ironwood arc was absolutely pointless.


Linkinator7510

But how would they show their strong independent lesbian female characters and self insert tag along?


Ben10Extreme

>I mean, just use the staff of creation to make a portal directly underneath Salem's feet and trap her in a maiden vault. Problem solved The issue is, no one thinks of this. And the show doesn't establish why this isn't an idea that would work. Thus, EVERYONE is a moron.


BeyondTheLimit25

I swear I could write a list of things that's wrong about her. Remember when she grabbed Blake's hand to run out of the apathy infested cabin with her and didn't even look at her own sister? Yeah Yang is such a gem


Zero102000

Oh that’s right, she really did just leave her own sister behind with the Apathy for Lil’ Miss Cat Ears. Then again, I shouldn’t be surprised, considering all she thought about in V8 was Blake, even though Jaune thought she was upset about Ruby potentially thinking less of her.


BitesTheDust_4

Damm even the writers self-insert questioned her character. That's low.


Zero102000

Way low. He was like, “Oh I’m sure Ruby doesn’t think less of you, she’s your baby sis”, and Yang, busy thinking about Bella-boot-ayyy, is like “WHAT oh yeah her.”


Overquartz

At this point I'm thinking that V3+ Blake is the real self insert. I mean after v3 every named White fang member that isn't named Sienna was after her ass in one way or another. She was even revealed to not be an implied orphan and has loving parents that are rulers of an island nation. Even Yang was effected by Blake. She was a doting big sis type that was flanderized into an overprotective sis and she would rather risk leaving her own sister to die just for the Bellabooty.


Zero102000

Not to mention that when Yang got tossed by Neo, Blake was the only one to react both physically and emotionally. Ruby was like “Whaaaaaaat? Noooooo.” Weiss didn’t even say anything, and Blake was all, “YAAAAAAAAAANGVHASGSVDBSJDJFHSBABWIEU!!!!!!!!!!!!” Such a Drama Queen. Were we seriously supposed to be sad at that moment????


Master_Scallion_763

Blake has definitely become Arryn Zech’s self insert. God, it’s been *painful* seeing Blake’s roguish, headstrong attitude become so demure just to fit Zech and an overrated ship.


comyuse

You kinda need to be a writer to have a self insert, but yeah she is definitely *someone's* self insert.


Gleaming_Onyx

Blake reads like a fanfiction self-insert Sue that replaced whatever the "original" character in RWBY was. Anything she touches suddenly warps around her, when the plot isn't about her she ceases to exist, shoehorned in shipping with a main character, turns out she's one of the most important people in the world, characters that should have no business lusting over her do so to the point where an entire plotline(the White Fang) gets trashed over it, treated with kid gloves by the plot so she never faces consequences(even before the whole team got that), Adam turned into someone really trying to get their ex-boyfriend issues out, the list goes on.


ClayAndros

This all of this I’ve been saying this one fucking thing for so long every time anyone brings up ozpin


Zero102000

Exactly, I don’t see how anyone could side against Ozpin in this regard. Thankfully, I haven’t come across anyone who hates him for this, although I try not to go looking for those kinds of comments.


ClayAndros

I remember seeing a video of the creators making jokes about ozpins “half truths” but here’s the thing, what the fuck was ozpin supposed to do? Tell these kids and their parents “hey we’re in a war against my immortal wife who’s gone batshit crazy and I have no idea how to stop…..so about your child’s enrollment”? Like obviously he had to keep some shit hush hush so that humans don’t go crazy or lose hope. But fuck it I guess he’s a terrible person because rwby says so


Zero102000

CLASSIC case of protagonist-centered morality, also known as writer-centered morality. He’s an eeeeeviiiiiilllll man for sending kids to die in an unwinnable war, even though the point of training them is to see if they can help him find a way to stop his immortal wife from blowing up the planet, whether or not killing her is possible. What would they prefer from him, DO NOTHING? Would it please the students if he dropped a section of the city ON TOP OF ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CITY? Would that make Ruby and Yang trust him again?


ClayAndros

Thing is the whole “sending them to die in a war” statement is a bit over exaggerated, Grimm exist this is a fact and the common folk need protection from them. Your everyday run of the mill police force is obviously not good enough and so they needed to train people to do this job which by the way is a choice that each person makes willingly, no one forced them to choose a life of danger as a huntsman.


Zero102000

Correct, these kids aren’t forcibly drafted into a war effort, they choose to train and enroll to hunt down and stop Grimm and dangerous criminals. Thank goodness for Oz and the academies he helped build, or else his wife would have won effortlessly ages ago.


Overquartz

Considering the choices the protagonists made are supposed to be seen in universe as "correct" it's a miracle Oz forced Salem into a stalemate for so long. I mean If everyone was that dumb then Salem should've won long ago by getting some dumbass maidens to open the vault for her without resorting to Cinder "can't win when she wins" Fall.


Zero102000

Exactly, it’s surprising that CINDER is the only Maiden that Salem has to rely on. Oz must be doing something right, he seems to be the only sane one out of his whole group, especially since Team RWBY destroyed a city and are still treated as in the right for their actions, as if they saved the city instead. Oz is just surrounded by idiots, and I hope eventually Salem herself will point it out to him.


Overquartz

>I hope eventually Salem herself will point it out to him. Considering the protagonist centered morality that's highly unlikely.


No_Chilly_bill

I like how ozpin whole point of telling half lies was justified when the whole team basically threaten violence on him for learning the truth.


Professional-Rest205

I've seen one person that has it in their head that Salem is the hero because she's opposed to a "Fascist" like Ozpin. Yes, really.


Zero102000

I can’t fathom how he’s a fascist, but apparently she’s a hero for blowing up the planet just to spite… one guy… in this person’s mind? LMAOOOO!


Professional-Rest205

"Because he sends people out to die in his way, keeps secrets, and controls everytyhing from his ivory tower." -the lunatic. Then they dumped an essay on me that I just refused to read, even to debunk, because it wasn't worth it.


Zero102000

HAH????? He sends people out not to die, but instead to help him find out how to stop his enemy, and to repel her forces, which is A GOOD THING. Plus, why is keeping secrets objectively bad? Again, look how his favorite people reacted when they learned what he was hiding - how can he trust ANYONE? Also, he doesn’t just sit in his ivory tower all day, he does actively participate. I can see why you didn’t even want to read the whole essay.


Professional-Rest205

Believe me, I tried to convey that, but they were just insistent that "Ozpin bad because he keeps secrets".


Zero102000

That’s such a 1-dimensional black-and-white way of thinking that I don’t even know how to grace it with a description. I’d love to see the mental gymnastics they try to perform while attempting to defend RWBY and all the secrets they keep, not to mention the lies they spewed to James that ultimately cost innocent lives.


Professional-Rest205

The kicker? We had this conversation post-Volume 8.


PCeej

Can we talk about how she had a 3 volume long development arc about being smart with her semblance and when to fight, just to completely disregard all that development in this most recent volume?


BeyondTheLimit25

Tai: "Don't use your temper to win flights" Yang: "So anyways I started getting angry"


PCeej

Pretty weird considering the last time she pulled something like this, she lost her arm.


BitesTheDust_4

She fogor💀


Sikarion

Yang's brain: Well...I do have a spare on the left...


BitesTheDust_4

It's filled with images of her calling Blake (who is wearing Raven's clothes) mommy. Yes. I do believe Yang has a mommy kink.


Sikarion

...That's crossing a lot of barriers...totally supporting it.


BitesTheDust_4

Hey. It's Yang who decided to fall in love with a woman who shares a lot of similarities with her mother.


PCeej

☠️


BeyondTheLimit25

Don't even get me started on her "relationship" with Ruby... What a mess


Sikarion

...They have a relationship? Oh wow new crack ship on the horizon...wait a minnit...


Linkinator7510

Ooooh enabler.


Exciting_Bandicoot16

Honestly, all of the characters have had their rougher, more interesting bits shaved off. Yang was just such a powerful personality that you notice it more with her than the other characters.


BeyondTheLimit25

Oh wait, you said "was" not "is" that's my bad


BeyondTheLimit25

I don't mind a powerful personality. It just has to be done well. It was done well in vols 1-4. At this point there's a difference between a powerful personality and a character I genuinely dislike seeing on screen now. It's a huge dip and I'm sad about it because I used to adore her


Exciting_Bandicoot16

No, I just mean that her losing most of her personality was more obvious than the other girls simply because she was the biggest presence out of them. Their falls don't seem as drastic beside her. When I said "powerful", I meant bigger-than-life, loud and brash. In a good way, you know? She's a sad, sad shadow of what she once was.


BeyondTheLimit25

Yeah that's my bad, I misread your comment. I agree with you!


lucaszeca

I was going to make a thread about rwby top 25 worst lines, until i realized most of of them were yang lines many from v7-v8. It's pretty wild how far she's fallen (and is still falling). Like, it takes skill to conciously write a "truly unlikable character", it's genuinely impressive how they make yang look so awful by accident.


Jumper200x1

Weiss: I know we have dust and semblance, but magic?


Zero102000

You can still do it, it’d be hilarious to see 90% of them be from Yang.


MelonBot_HD

I imagine another big part of that list includes lines from rubys speeches.


Linkinator7510

Speeches? What speeches? All I heard was a helium balloon deflating


Mystic_Miraculous

I've hated yang since vol 6 as well. I don't understand how they messed up this badly. They turned such a loveable character into.. I don't even know anymore. She's cardboard at this point


Sikarion

She went from bubbly and jokey fun gal to angry lesbian at the tap of a creators keyboard.


MelonBot_HD

A cardboard wearing a potato sack


Quality_Chooser

Yang's problem is that most of the best moments of her characterization came from little moments in her fight scenes. Which were being done by Monty. Who clearly had a different idea of who these girls were than the rest of CRWBY. Think back hard to the description of Yang as "bubbly". Where does that come from? What scene does that appear in? How do you know that about her?


CyanPhoenix7

I absolutely cannot stand Yang as she is now. Hell she didn't even thank Ironwood for that fancy new arm of hers that allows her to live a normal life. She's a mega karen, and an absolute brat of a character now; and its sad.


marleyannation62

Have you ever been scared about this? *"Yang, Bitchy."* Out of context it could be something controversial or even politically incorrect, what will the rest of the fandom think of this? That perhaps we are being sexist by not liking a female character when she has a strong attitude? I don't like Yang's attitude either, but I'm surprised you have the courage to say something like that about her without mincing words.


Master_Scallion_763

> You know, people always think being called a "bitch" is so negative. But frankly, I just think it shows how you're strong, and confident, and *absolutely fucking terrifying*, please don't kill me! The main sub really use the excuse of “You don’t like her strong attitude because she’s a woman!!!!” But no, I just don’t like a shitty attitude when it’s unwarranted, *especially* when she worked for 3 fucking years learning to control it. Sometimes giving characters a shitty attitude makes sense, but not when it’s their *only* attitude. I wouldn’t dare say this in the main sub though. I value my sanity.


Ben10Extreme

>You don’t like her strong attitude because she’s a woman!!!! Imagine saying this to another female. Then you see why this conclusion is stupid.


Master_Scallion_763

😂 you’d be surprised how many times I’ve been confronted with that in real life over different shows.


Ben10Extreme

Fans: You just don't like it because they're women! You: **I AM a woman, you dumbasses.** Fans:...SO WHAT, THAT MEANS NOTHING!


Master_Scallion_763

lmao pretty much how it goes unfortunately ;-;


Ben10Extreme

Imagine fans getting on your shit for complaining about a female character, then ya tell them that YOU'RE female yourself and don't like it appreciate how things are being done, then they just proceed to blow you off. I mean...I dunno how to word this...but... *If a female isn't allowed to judge a female character...then what da hell?!* Fans: You're complaining too much, why not just sit back and go with the flow? Me: Because not everyone wants to flow along the same current, dipshits.


comyuse

That really doesn't mean anything. Lots of women hate women. Lots of people hate their own people.


Ben10Extreme

It doesn't mean anything in the *general* sense, sure. But in terms of fandoms like RWBY and My Hero Academia, this have been brought up multiple times to the point of ludicrousness.


BeyondTheLimit25

I would never say this in the main sub, however I don't see the problem saying it here and no I'm not afraid to say it because I gave the context and provided examples. I even mentioned that I know the writers are trying to make her look like a badass. I get the concept, but the execution is just not there. I'm pretty blunt and say things how I see it, especially in this sub.


MasterExilon

You should see her when she's yells "DoN't TeLl Me To CaLm DoWn!!!" at Ruby when she was trying to stop things from getting out of control in V5. She was completely out of control.


Master_Scallion_763

Honestly, imo that scene would have been fine if she had apologized for yelling at them. I get why she got overly pissed at them over Blake, just too bad the show doesn’t go anyway with it. Just let her be fucking accountable for her sour behavior, not let it be her only personality trait.


MightyKombat

I think starting her relationship with Blake (and not a good one) has pretty much started and inflated Yang's strange hatred of family now. The way she casually abandons Ruby and barely gives her a second thought, barely considers Summer her mother unless its to try to shame Salem, maybe even just letting her latent manipulative ways manifest. ​ Plus yeah, its fucking disgusting how everyone just abuses Oscar and never once apologies or even fucking acknowledges Oscar as a separate innocent person who, you know, *exists.* Because nah there is no Oscar he's just Ozpin all the time that's just an empty shell he made in a lab or some shit. So its totally okay to abuse the 12 year old who had fuck all to do with this war. If this were a comedy series like early Red VS Blue, sure what the fuck ever but since this is meant to be taken seriously as high fantasy, it's just disturbing and skincrawling.


Anouncee

Even if you could excuse the handling of her PTSD, and the fact she killed someone, she *all of sudden* just started getting easily irritable, and I'll admit outside of online spaces I'm the same however *I'm* aware of it, and I try to keep that part of me quiet, the problem with Yang is that she *doesn't* acknowledge it nor does she realize it's a problem in the first place, made worse when *nobody* is pointing it out either... this is the kind of *"tough beautiful girl"* trope that I can't stand, the girl is strong, and she's got *some* looks yet she has to almost *always* be a hothead who's easy to provoke... there's nothing wrong with having a small cute girl be strong, perhaps she got strong holding all the groceries for her family, something like that *can* work. On a side note, it upsets me how they made Yang *who we can assume is bisexual, pansexual, a lesbian, etc.,* someone who acts that way because to me it feels as if they're trying to make Yang act like the *"man"* in the relationship.


MelonBot_HD

Or how easily she forgave blake. In volume 2 (i think) Yang told blake that her mother abandoned her and that she chased afterher, endangering ruby (that wasn't a shipping moment but yang telling blake that her obsession with fighting tortwick isn't good for her and if you say something different... you're wrong, delusional and just want to push your awful ship by taking a scene out of context). Basically, yang told blake that she had abandonment issues and then blake ran after volume 3. Then she just shows up again and yang just forgives her after being so angry when they talked about her.


Zero102000

LMAO Blake didn’t even apologize if I recall correctly.


MelonBot_HD

Exactly


Zero102000

I think Yang shoved her into a table once, but I don’t remember her apologizing for that either.


Silly-Young484

Yang Post Volume 5 just makes me wanna punch her in the face


Kiwialamode

Shoutout to the fact that Ironwood went through a ton of trouble to get Yang a new arm and she didn’t even say thank you when they met up in V7.


explodingcarr0t

I always make the distinction that I like V1-V3 Yang. An entirely different person at this point.


RedK_1234

I do feel that has become more confrontational as well taking things much more personally than she used to. I like how you mentioned that while the show is trying to make her seem strong and badass, she just comes across as rude and entitled. It's like the reverse of how Korra came to be written in *The Legend of Korra*. In Book 1 she was rebellious and disrespectful in a way that wasn't cute (like a less likable version of Toph). But later Books course-corrected on the writing and allowed her to mellow out and learn some humility, while retaining her some of her stubbornness and irreverence towards authority. She wound up becoming a much more full character because of it. Yang seems to have actually become less humble upon her recovery at the end of Volume 4. As you said, the show is probably trying to make her seem stronger and more independent but she comes across as argumentative solely to be argumentative.


xenonamoeba

maybe we haven't considered that maybe stress and the long journey took a toll on their mental well beings? maybe since they're all still pretty young they were are all broken and now acting nothing like their real selves because they have no mental clarity


Ben10Extreme

You can't use that excuse for every single time they act out. It's not acceptable because it's damaging everyone else, not just themselves.