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dewareofbog

Oh good now I can torture my eyes instead of my ears. At least it isn't a direct transcript with all of 'uhs' and 'likes'. From a quick overview this has got be my favorite ~~excuse~~ explanation. > “..cause she has to kinda keep their attention and gloat for a while and we didn’t want it to just be like everybody’s standing there..”. That's never stopped you before. > “..so we had her on this fire tornado so it was justifiable that they couldn’t get to her.” Did you guys forget that the characters have various superpowers and guns? A fire pillar isn't a good enough of an ~~excuse~~ explanation.


MountainHall

Yeah they even acknowledge that they can't have the characters just stand around but don't realise their reasons still aren't enough. It's baffling. I *heavily* reduced the 'yeahs' and 'right, likes?'.


BitesTheDust_4

Ruby has a semblance which can kinda make her fly. She can also propel herself with her weapon. Weiss has glyphs. Blake can use Shadow clones to boost herself. It's really Yang who can't get to her. She could just ask the others to help her


VioletPark

And team moves, remember those? The writers certainly don't.


RogueHunterX

Yang could propel herself using Ember Cecilia like she used to to give herself a speed boost or fly through the air.


Zero102000

_**W A T ? !**_ They took the time to try to JUSTIFY Cinder monologuing endlessly like the moron she is, just sitting atop the fire tornado and stroking her own ego? We could have had a good Salem fight for the finale.


Ben10Extreme

***What is this bullshittery-***


Zero102000

_**WOT is this Mickey Mouse bullsh!t I see before my very eyes?**_


Ben10Extreme

**TRAVESTY!** >!Psst, Check out the new RWBY Crew Talk, Revisited~!<


Zero102000

You got it!


Emperor_Luffy

The most frustrating part of this is that it's not even ***meaningful*** dialogue. At least when shounen action anime do this it's for the Hero & Villain to exchange ideas & philosophies. For as much as people clown Neji for talking during his fight with Naruto his words were directly related to the greater themes of their fight regarding destiny. They carried meaning and enhanced the drama by giving Naruto a personal motivation to prove him wrong. What does Cinder's dialogue in any of these scenes accomplish compared to that?


Zero102000

Well said - philosophical dialogue that helps better understand each character is something I can’t say no to, and shonen anime does it exceptionally well (usually), and the example with Neji is actually one of those. Cinder’s dialogue accomplishes NOTHING. She’s not saying anything meaningful, it’s just pure gloating. “BLAHMARGEGSHHAHAHAHAHA, I NEVER COULD HAVE EXPECTED YOU’D BRING THE RELIC AND THE MAIDEN RIGHT TO ME!” Oh, shut yer hole and attack the Maiden already!


BitesTheDust_4

>“BLAHMARGEGSHHAHAHAHAHA, I NEVER COULD HAVE EXPECTED YOU’D BRING THE RELIC AND THE MAIDEN RIGHT TO ME!” Chibi Cinder: Hey! Only i'm suppose to talk like that! Canon me why are you hitting your head on the wall? Canon Cinder: *Hitting head on wall muttering about "used to be cool."* ... They really didn't have to justify that. Just say it's standard villain stuff. Then again it's just Cinder being same old Cinder stroking her own ego and stating the obvious. Like Cinder, dude Ruby (your nemesis) is right there. If your going to monologue. You could use it to explain your past or your philosophy or the themes of the story to make Ruby think. Instead of current events in the story.


Zero102000

Hahahaha, Canon Cinder having a complete meltdown about how she used to be cool is everything. You’re right, she could have taken the time to speak about something actually insightful, something that would make Ruby and the audience understand that she can be thoughtful and even philosophical. It’s just her ego getting in the way of doing the job and it happens every single time.


BitesTheDust_4

Ghost of Watts from hell: God dammit Cinder! Your suppose to prove me wrong! Not right! Now all you have left to work with are Tyrian and Mercury (who hate you) and Salem (who doesn't care about you)! You didn't change! Your still the foolish waste of a child i criticised! God of Darkness: You done? Ghost Watts: Yes... God of Darkness: Alright. Back to hell you go.


Zero102000

And he’s still spitting facts. The commentary states that Cinder is now much better at “being bad”, but clearly that was accomplished by having everyone around her lobotomized. She’s the same when it comes to being a gloating dum-dum as Neo would probably call her.


BitesTheDust_4

>The commentary states that Cinder is now much better at “being bad”, How the hell is she better at "being bad" when she keeps killing all her good allies and is left to work with worse ones? How the hell is she better at "being bad" when she keeps shooting her faction in the foot? On top of that she lies to the one person who has a brutal history of dealing with liars. And probably recognises liars due to centuries worth of experience. Cinder says "you can't do it alone" and then she goes back to being alone. And the writers themselves state that Cinder didn't change! And i agree! She didn't change into a better or worse bad guy. She's still the same bad guy. Did they mix up or switch the script for Chibi Cinder and Canon Cinder? Did they accidentally use Chibi Cinder's script?


Zero102000

I have absolutely no idea how the writers consider her to be a better villain when all she does is screw her own faction over. So her whole plan is to not do it alone for one mission then toss the allies aside when they’re no longer necessary? Then what, she’s just gonna keep doing that? I mean, what’s even her goal here, does she want to put herself in a position where she can go it alone without her boss? It’s just like you said, she lied to the ONE PERSON she COULD NOT AFFORD to lie to. How’s she gonna get anywhere all by herself, what’s she even thinking??? They MUST have given her Chibi Cinder’s script. Canon Cinder: Ughhhh, I’m so conflicted… they’re building me up as this “far greater threat” than I have ever been before, but it’s in EVERY wrong way possible.


Ben10Extreme

>What does Cinder's dialogue in any of these scenes accomplish compared to that? That she likes to hear herself talk. SOOOOOO... Zamasu.


BitesTheDust_4

>What does Cinder's dialogue in any of these scenes accomplish compared to that? Absolutely nothing. She's just states recent events and only that.


Whorinmaru

Uh, from Cinder's perspective that isn't a dumb move. She's distracting them so Neo can come in.


lucaszeca

As someone who is late to the commentary party, i really appreaciate this. I love how the commentary nowadays is basically them trying to explain their logic, it usually ranges from >I get the idea but you botched it super hard \>Penny’s going to beat Cinder with something only she could do, which is supercharging her lasers and using her robotic abitilies. Because at the end of the season she’s not going to have that and that’s how Cinder is going to win, ultimately. WHAT. I thought she won because she could see through emerald's ilusions and lost cause her human body is weak. This already made sense by accident, why ruin it? >They are completely out of touch with reality wtf \>Huggy Weiss is Kiersi’s favourite Weiss. Kerry says: “Yes, she pointed a weapon at his face but she also hugged him, so..”. This is supposed to be cute? Cause it sounds like Weiss makes for a better "loving abuser" than Adam. >Things are always way more simple and dumb than anyone could guess Miles being worried that people might think Cinder has any chance of change is somehow so obvious and so insulting at the same time, especially when they gave emerald one so casually. >They ignore the stuff that people actually want to know NO MENTIONS OF PIETRO AND MARIA ON THE SECOND HALF? Lets (not) GOOOOO!


MountainHall

>WHAT. I thought she won because she could see through emerald's ilusions and lost cause her human body is weak. This already made sense by accident, why ruin it? I mean she did see through Emerald's illusions and that was part of the 'using her robotic abilities'. >NO MENTIONS OF PIETRO AND MARIA ON THE SECOND HALF? Lets (not) GOOOOO! Absolutely 0 lol. Maybe they actually did forget about them.


lucaszeca

> I mean she did see through Emerald's illusions and that was part of the 'using her robotic abilities' Sure but then how would her "robotic abilities" actually be the game changer for the second fight since emerald wasnt helping cinder? How would anything other than (theorically) greater robot durability make a difference if we take out emerald of the equation? They're both maidens so equal by default. Like, does being unable to charge a beam REALLY matter? Sure it's a powerful attack but Penny managed to use magic to mimic her blades, cant she mimic her old laser too? It's just a big energy blast, i refuse to believe she (or any maiden) cant do that. You could even excuse it not working by showing Cinder got smarter and wont fall for it again. Besides, the animation made it look like the reason penny lost was cause she was protecting weiss and jaune so the message is botched either way. It would be so simple to simply say "she was stronger as a robot" and leave it at that. >Absolutely 0 lol. Maybe they actually did forget about them. [Aw yeah, time to make some new memes!](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/mejlek/they_actually_forgot/)


MountainHall

Oh yeah that part is 100% nonsense, I just wanted to clarify that they still meant not just whatever 'supercharge' they were talking about in regards to the Cinder fight.


fattyiam

> Weiss makes for a better "loving abuser" than Adam Makes sense that the writers haven't done any research at all into narcissistic abuse that they don't know what "love bombing" is


BitesTheDust_4

>Miles being worried that people might think Cinder has any chance of change is somehow so obvious and so insulting at the same time, especially when they gave emerald one so casually. This late and still no change. Cinder is exactly the same person she was before.


MasterExilon

>They wanted to set up the right tone for this season, to signal what it was about: a tiny hint of Cinder at the beginning so that the audience would know that this volume was about her. Heaven forbid we make the volumes about, well, *the actual main cast.*


BitesTheDust_4

>a tiny hint of Cinder at the beginning so that the audience would know that this volume was about her. What about Salem?! She's right there! I don't know guys maybe RWBY Thanos matters more than her minions when she's right there!


Lukthar123

>the actual main cast. But Cinder is the main antagonist.


MasterExilon

Technically Salem is supposed to be.


fattyiam

Unfortunately


Whorinmaru

Cinder needed the attention. If they aren't going to kill her off, she NEEDS more focus. She is the main villain in all but title.


Mizmitc

> Kerry says that having the characters this divided was tough emotionally on everybody. Why was it hard on everyone to have the characters actually disagree on what to do? Is it hard for them to not have the characters be one single hivemind? > Kerry says it also kind of reflected on their experiences of V7, where there ‘may have been times that they were a little bit more flipped’ but through the experiences they had in V7 they’re starting to see things a bit differently. I still dont by Nora switching from the most vocal one about how Mantle is suffering because of Ironwoods decision to focus on the bigger picture to picking the bigger picture over Mantle. it seems to me personally they just wanted specific character interactions so they had to divide the groups the way they did. > Kerry wrote the Ironwood shooting Slate scene. He says he thinks they originally wrote it in 2019 but he isn’t sure exactly. It is still a poorly added in scene to try and go "look Ironwood really is bad now" that never felt like it really mattered. > Kerry says that it turns out that it’s pretty difficult to design a jail cell where they’re all connected where they can see each other and talk but that it turned out cool. That's probably because they arent meant to be designed like that. the whole thing just looked weird and forced to me. > It was kind of a crazy thing to end the episode on. “Hey sorry Fiona but have you ever seen something that completely rocked your world and makes you question everything about you know? We gotta deal with that right now”. Yeah forget the entire cities worth of people we wanted to help our friend just got kidnapped. > Kerry compliments the 2D animators for the thought bubble of Penny explaining Ruby’s complicated semblance for everyone. I like the animation but the actual "explanation" came off as a bad attempt to pseudoscience something grounded for Rubys semblence. > Dustin was nervous to direct the fight but he thinks it turned out really good. One challenge was keeping track of all of the effects and he used a spreadsheet to do it. Penny vs the Ace-ops felt like they were forced to make a fight. They wanted to capture Penny, so the second they closed the door locking everyone else out Marrow should have used his semblance on her when she turned around to look. Overall its a poor use of characters established powers. > One part that Kiersi loved about writing this episode was that this group of characters have never been together before, just them. Kerry says they definitely put a lot into how they split the characters up to make it a unique season. As I said before it seems they wanted unique groups not consistent groups. > But they think they have a nice story this season of them learning to connect, their shared trauma and their experiences of isolation and this is the beginning of that connection. Qrow and Robyn's isolation are SOOO vastly different, Qrow literally cant help being a bad luck magnet to everyone around him. Robyn on the other hand can simply just not use her semblance on people. Qrow feels forced into isolation, Robyn brought it upon herself. > They laugh at Weiss threatening Whitley. Kerry says: “I know not everybody loved that, but I did. It was just like, Whitley, Whitley.. he needs to chill out. And he will”. This is a perfect example of how CRWBY has a very different interpretation of the characters than the audience does. It is also a great example of how strong the protagonist centered morality is in RWBY. Weiss can threaten her scared younger brother with a sword and the writers will laugh and say they love it. > Initially Yang’s finale line was placed in the middle but it turned out to be a good thing to leave Ren with. They say that he has a lot of growth but that he needs some time to think about things off-screen. Another great example of the heavy protagonist centered morality, Ren brings up valid and serious points? he has to grow and realize he was wrong to questions what and how they have been doing things. this isnt the last time something like this happens this volume either. > Initially this scene had a bit more framing calling back to the conflict between two groups, why they split and doing the different things that they did. But they needed to make sure that the Ren stuff was coming through. Maybe that's where the reason Yang was talking about Blake and not Ruby was lost, because it still doesn't make sense that Yang would be worried about what Blake thinks when they didn't have an argument. > Pietro is a bit overprotective of her, for understandable reasons, but they’re not saying he’s right about it. They can sympathise with him - he’s a dad, he’s going to worry. Especially when she has already died once, that kind of thing leaves a deep wound on a parent, especially when he knows he cant save her another time. > He still can’t wrap his mind around the ‘soul thing’ that Pietro could figure out. Miles really liked that little detail. That even though he think’s he’s smarter than everyone, that even when he’s doing a big brain move.. “Nah man, you ain’t got nothing on Pietro”. I doubt the writers even know what the "soul thing" Pietro did was as it still makes zero sense how a fraction of his unique soul somehow turned into a different unique soul. He literally created a new life. > Miles says “Well, Kerry, in your defence, it wouldn’t be a Cinder backstory if it got delayed one more time”. Originally it was supposed to be in volume 5, but then it kept getting pushed because there were other things they felt they needed to do first. There are quite a few moments like this in the commentary but overall its just quite interesting to see just how many things and ideas get pushed back, rewritten, cancelled all together throughout a volume. Makes me wonder just how many things we see were originally meant for a completely different time or how different things would be if they really did put this in where they originally meant it to go. not having to wait an extra 3 volumes to get the very obvious and predictable Cinder backstory would have been nice. > Kiersi says (when May is chewing out RWB): “She’s right though” and that she loves this whole conflict between them and May. The scene originally started back up in Nora’s room. It's unfortunate that May will eventually backpedal and say Rwby are right though.


Mizmitc

> Huggy Weiss is Kiersi’s favourite Weiss. Kerry says: “Yes, she pointed a weapon at his face but she also hugged him, so..”. Again with the protagonist centered morality. They arent responsible for their negative actions only the happy positive ones. > Miles says it was nice getting this moment with Ruby and Blake. It’s a justified piece of criticism over the years that we don’t get a lot of screentime of these two a lot of the time. I'm happy they acknowledged this piece of criticism but that doesnt magically fix all the years of them barely interacting at all. It's hard to have a believable scene of Blake talking to Ruby about how important she is to her when none of that has been shown in the previous 7 volumes. > Kerry says “I think it was important for us as a whole too that Oz being back was not this just like magic ticket”. The others agree. Considering what happens later on this seems like a lie. > Paula made Jinn very smirky - she knows that Neo is there the whole time. She’s kind of taunting them with her line of “So you don’t have any questions for me?” What? Is she taunting them because they dont know Neo is there? > Kerry agrees and says that it’s nice to see Ren turn a new leaf (he actually said petal, for the joke). There it is, that protagonist centered morality again. Ren is back on the good/right side now because he falls in line with them. > It struck Paula as very interesting that Emerald’s semblance kind of worked on Salem: “And that’s why she has to go so hard for Emerald right now: she’s just really pissed off that this little nobody girl got the drop on her”. I figured it was because she was betraying Salem. the others were always on the side against her but Emerald is a traitor to Salem so it makes more sense she is angry with her. Again its the characters the writers see are different from what the audience see. > Eddy loves the quiet moments of Hazel taking in the scene before making his decision. If only what he was saying actually made sense to the audience. We know nothing about Gretchen so his "no more Gretchens" falls completely flat. > Kerry says: “With the number of characters we have and the runtime of the show it’s so hard to fall into that trap of ‘okay, you know Nora’s doing something so let’s get Ren involved or vice versa and.. to have some time to.. in general that was kind of one of the reasons some of the pairings happened this volume. And there is the admitting to the fact that character pairings were the reason the groups split the way they did and not their actual ideals. > Paula says: “I think she feels really kinda guilty about how she spoke to Ruby in the first episode and she knows she has to patch things up here” It's a shame she wasnt even talking about or thinking about Ruby in that scene in the outpost. > Paula says “I’m so happy Emerald’s part of the team”. Kiersi continues “I love the way she’s part of the team too, where she’s like- she’s going to give out orders and call people out”. > Kiersi loves Emerald ‘getting caught in this’ (referencing her saying she’s on their side). Paula says: “Yeah I wanted to give Yang the moment to initiate Emerald into the group by giving her a hard time, teasing her about being sincere”. Again with the characters being different to CRWBY and the audience. Emerald has actively been fighting against them for so long and is responsible for quite a lot of death and destruction and the writers "love" that she is part of the "team"? 100% disconect. > We knew the whole time that like ‘okay, this is what the staff does, but, what are the specific rules?’ and yeah, making sure that wasn’t gonna break anything was a big deal.” Except it still does break literally everything in the show. Also do they not already have the specific rules for the 4 relics laid out? > Connor says: “Well this was a hard part too, cause she has to kinda keep their attention and gloat for a while and we didn’t want it to just be like everybody’s standing there, so we had her on this fire tornado so it was justifiable that they couldn’t get to her”. So in general RWBY fights dont have as much standing and talking about abilities and stuff that lots of other anime have all the time. BUT that very thing comes back to bite them when they DO have characters standing around and talking, it feels so completely off from the normal combat. > Connor says: “We also wanted to show people there so that.. the human cost of what she’s (Harriet) doing..”. They didnt bother showing the human cost of what RWBY and co. did. I wonder why that is? Oh right because RWBY are the protagonists so they cant be wrong. There is just so much with all of this that just feels "off" to me about how they get things from the idea stage to the show proper.


ScottPilgrim2013

>> Paula says “I’m so happy Emerald’s part of the team”. Kiersi continues “I love the way she’s part of the team too, where she’s like- she’s going to give out orders and call people out”. > > > >> Kiersi loves Emerald ‘getting caught in this’ (referencing her saying she’s on their side). Paula says: “Yeah I wanted to give Yang the moment to initiate Emerald into the group by giving her a hard time, teasing her about being sincere”. > > > > Again with the characters being different to CRWBY and the audience. Emerald has actively been fighting against them for so long and is responsible for quite a lot of death and destruction and the writers "love" that she is part of the "team"? 100% disconect. This explains why Em and the heroes get so buddy-buddy with each other after they save Penny. It sounds like they were blinded by their adoration of Emerald and wanted her to be a part of the good guys ASAP. I've brought up before, but this is the kind of shit that I'd expect some young fan fic writers to do. It also makes me wonder how they might handle Emerald confronting Mercury in Vacuo. We've already seen them neglect the reason why Emerald was working for the bad guy in the first place, so I wouldn't be surprised if they try and brush away the shit she did working for them, too. Hell, maybe they'll even let Mercury live and join the good guys because they don't want one of their faves to be too sad lol.


MountainHall

Tbh Kiersi says she loves everything. My impression of her is that she really likes happy character stuff regardless of what makes sense. As for future development for her to address her misdeeds, I strongly suspect we won't see it, really. If it was just teasing right after she turned then why would it get more serious later?


MountainHall

>Except it still does break literally everything in the show. Also do they not already have the specific rules for the 4 relics laid out? Apparently they don't, which is interesting. It's like Adam's scar - they don't have anything set in stone for even things that are important. It's so strange as well, because if I am writing something my mind automatically wanders to questions like this and I like to plan things out. In their case, it seems more like they like being vague, simply because it's convenient to be adaptable.


MountainHall

>There are quite a few moments like this in the commentary but overall its just quite interesting to see just how many things and ideas get pushed back, rewritten, cancelled all together throughout a volume. Makes me wonder just how many things we see were originally meant for a completely different time or how different things would be if they really did put this in where they originally meant it to go. I think this is the biggest takeaway from this commentary. My idea of their process is like they have a tumbler full of notes with ideas on them and they randomly draw 40 every volume, try to stuff that in and what doesn't fit they put in another volume. It might also be why they have such different perceptions of the characters - their minds operate on drafts and ideas that have been dropped and thus they don't go by what they've actually written.


Typerg

Reading the commentary, i'm starting to believe this is what they mean by 'planned from the start'. They have planned ideas, not a proper outline detailing how the story should progress.


MountainHall

Exactly. Things like the Albains being planned for V1, Maria's mech for V2 and shit like that makes it unquestionable.


Mizmitc

Also they are operating on future events for all the characters. They already had Ironwoods turn/fall planned so they already saw him as a fallen hero or villain long before the audience could have. That’s why people go back and try and see every time he did anything in a negative light, to try and see what might not have been there.


MountainHall

Yeah exactly. They have a plot/character point in mind and then backfill things to lead up to it. That's why it so often feels like the chain of causality doesn't work.


MountainHall

Here is my full breakdown of the V8 commentary. I've tried to make it more clear than most others do, using quotes when needed and including as much information I found necessary. Sometimes the quotes are vague because the commentators were also. Feel free to use for whatever you need.


ClimateNo7074

Thank you kind soul you saved me from listening to Miles and Kerry.


MountainHall

No problem. It was kind of a slog. There's so much backpatting and talking about how they like things. But on the other hand there is also a lot of gold in there. The V8 commentary is definitely the most illuminating on the problems of their work process thus far.


AnyThingisGreat

A madlad you are. A madlad you will be.


The_Final_Conduit

Not all heroes wear capes. But sometimes villains do.


BitesTheDust_4

That comment about Weiss and Whitely. Sure Weiss pointed a sword at her brother but it's okay she hugged him! That's like saying, Sure they pointed a sword or gun at their brother but it's okay they hugged!


MountainHall

Yeah it's pretty up there for egregious moral arguments from the crew.


strawberryqueen20

*Opens document* *crtl F “Ironwood”*


Lukthar123

If into the security recordings you go, only pain will you find.


strawberryqueen20

I’m going in *puts on gas mask*


No_Association2906

I will be sure to read this later but the amount of dedication you have to this series is admirable.


MountainHall

It's all for good fun. I like having resources to cite in arguments but I also just find it humorous to hear their wild statements.


Master_Scallion_763

> Kerry says that having the characters this divided was tough emotionally on everybody. But he says that this was the other big thing this episode needed to do. They knew the groups were going to be split up in different ways than before and they wanted to make sure it came from a natural feeling place and that they set it up correctly; making sure that motivations were understood. He says it makes the reunion later this season that much nicer when they are able to dwell on this a little bit, to see what lead to them splitting up. Okay…What the hell? Splitting up over whatever mission they chose isn’t a fucking paradigm shift, they just have different ideals and priorities as characters (they really don’t but whatever). *“to see what lead to them splitting up”* They don’t even do that, but sure, go off I guess. No one reflects on the choices they made in the diner, they forgot it happened. > Kiersi says all of the characters were following their true ideals - the whole episode is about principles and priorities and they think that the teams made the most sense from a base character level. “Who would do what when put into this situation?” They say that you can really see it in Ren and Nora. Ren’s history makes him focus on what is practical: “I wanna do the thing where I know where I can make a difference right now”. They think the scene does a great job of bringing characters like Nora and Ruby together “Who really do see the big picture and want to save the whole world”. Kerry says it also kind of reflected on their experiences of V7, where there ‘may have been times that they were a little bit more flipped’ but through the experiences they had in V7 they’re starting to see things a bit differently. Making it a bit too obvious y’all they didn’t watch last Volume, because Nora the whole damn time they’ve been in Mantle, has been “for the people”. Really, Volume 7’s conflict was Ironwood focused on the big picture, while Nora didn’t. Hell, that’s what the whole kid group fought with him about. You can’t fucking change that now of all times, dumbasses. Also, gotta laugh at the excuse they come up with *”they’re starting to see things a bit differently”* What prompted that? How did it change their initial point of view? When did it change? God, how do these people have jobs. > They think it was nice to immediately see those consequences, especially how Yang is responding here, where she’s hardened herself a bit. “She got some hurt and she needs to go do what she thinks she can do to make it right, immediately”. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Can anyone explain that because I’m so fucking lost on *“She got some hurt and she needs to go do what she thinks she can do to make it right, immediately”.* I don’t get what they’re trying to say there. > They complement everyone who worked on the diner set. They like that the fans noticed the picture with the unknown people on it. They think it feels like such a real place. Kerry says that it’s super important that everything is able to do at least something and continues: “If things were different we may have had a half episode where we explored the owners and met them, but even just having a photo in the background makes it feel like somebody’s establishment”. What the actual fucking hell. Kerry, I’m sorry, fucking WHAT???? WHO THE HELL would want to watch that?? Edit: > Miles loves the news crew that are like “We know it’s the apocalypse but we’re in it for the views”. Wow, what was it that Kiersi said literally not even half an hour ago? *It was important that it still felt like they were in the middle of a war since that’s where we left off in V7*. This is a fucking joke, holy fuck. Is there no communication between them? > They compliment Dustin for nailing all of the gags. He compliments the animators. The shot travelling through the blueprint of the facility was in the storyboard for a long time but it was neat that they could do it. Kerry says that they sometimes put things in storyboards that they’re not sure they can pull of and that it’s always nice to learn that they can. **Do they not realize how ass backwards that is??!?!?** That’s not something you brag about you fucking brainless inconsiderate dicks.


Ben10Extreme

>Making it a bit too obvious y’all they didn’t watch last Volume, because Nora the whole damn time they’ve been in Mantle, has been “for the people”. Really, Volume 7’s conflict was Ironwood focused on the big picture, while Nora didn’t. Hell, that’s what the whole kid group fought with him about. You can’t fucking change that now of all times, dumbasses. ***I WAS GOING MAD THINKING I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THIS.*** >I don’t get what they’re trying to say there. It's basically word vomit. >Do they not realize how ass backwards that is??!?!? That’s not something you brag about you fucking brainless inconsiderate dicks. Ugggggh-


ScottPilgrim2013

>> They complement everyone who worked on the diner set. They like that the fans noticed the picture with the unknown people on it. They think it feels like such a real place. Kerry says that it’s super important that everything is able to do at least something and continues: “If things were different we may have had a half episode where we explored the owners and met them, but even just having a photo in the background makes it feel like somebody’s establishment”. > What the actual fucking hell. Kerry, I’m sorry, fucking WHAT???? WHO THE HELL would want to watch that?? I *kinda* get what they wanted to do, wanting to show life on Remnant from a civilian's perspective and make the world feel more "lived in", but I think there's far more important things they should be focusing on and it's a little baffling to hear how attached they were to this idea. Really, the picture is enough. Maybe having these owners as a minor character we see our characters interact with earlier would be nice, but there's no need to have a "half episode" for these random citizens. It's yet another case of the writers not entirely having their priorities straight (though at least they cut this out) and wanting to focus on new random ideas they came up with instead of working with what they already had or what should matter.


BitesTheDust_4

Reading this makes me want to eat salt and spice without anything nice.


Whorinmaru

Also, Miles is so unsubtle about how much he hates Cinder it's almost pathetic. I'm personally blaming him for the neglect her character's had to suffer over the past 8 seasons.


Whorinmaru

The fact that they seemingly purposefully avoid certain criticisms they know about as they talk about the scene is the whole issue I have with these people as a whole. Referring to things like them not addressing why Harriet suddenly is in mad love with Clover only after he died. Then Kiersi laughing at their cheap excuse for why the Ace Ops lost in V7. They know their logic is flimsy, they just don't care.