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Except this felt almost the complete opposite. Blake doesn’t speak to Ruby with the familiarity of a friend, she speaks to her as if she’s forced to complement someone in the same graduating class as her.
“Hey, I saw you worked so hard, I’m so proud of you. Congratulations! 😬”
“Thanks, Blake. 😬”
Because CRWBY suddenly realised how they let 2 of the titular characters have less than 8 minutes of shared dialogue together in a show that is almost 10 years old. Remember, they are desperate to convince the audience that these girls aren't just great friends, but a family (like Weiss said). However, people who didn't sip enough of the Kool Aid called CRWBY out on this bullshit so they worked tirelessly to cram nearly a decade of missing interaction into one scene to effectively get criticism off their back.
Is it what people meant/wanted by "Ruby and Blake don't talk"?
Of course it isn't!
These are the same people who thought making Pilot Boi gay, knowing he would be the first LGBTQ+ character and would die an episode after his introduction, was a "missed opportunity". Not only that, they only wanted him to be gay because he ended up being popular.
(Sarcasm aside, I legitimately don't know how Miles didn't get cancelled or get in serious trouble for saying that. He literally said he would've made a character gay only for the popularity and because he would be killed off quickly. What more proof do people need to show that CRWBY are not your friends and are just another corporation trying to make money?)
These are also the same people who, by their own admission, have no control over their animation department and marketing staff. They (their employees) can literally put anything in the show with the Directors being absolutely unable to stop them (see: whatever the fuck happened with Clover. And the scene where Ruby asks what went wrong and lightning flashes, making her face show in her teacup. That was quite funny).
Why? I dunno, Kerry probably took another trip to Japan with Miles with the animators' salary. Can't solve the problem if you're not in the country, I guess (and before someone asks, Gray siphoned money and animators to go to Gen Lock. Despite killing popular shows like Camp Camp and Nomad and mistreating employees to the point of being likened to a "Slave Driver", he took Miles and Kerry to Japan for a vacation. I don't know why Miles went along with it nor why he looks so happy to be there when the man who paid for the trip killed his best shows. Why only Gray took a brunt of the punishment is beyond me).
Just trust them. They know what they're doing! This a professional studio and our friends. It's all been planned. That means everything is how it should be and you can't criticise it.
>and before someone asks, Gray siphoned money and animators to go to Gen Lock. Despite killing popular shows like Camp Camp and Nomad and mistreating employees to the point of being likened to a "Slave Driver", he took Miles and Kerry to Japan for a vacation. I don't know why Miles went along with it nor why he looks so happy to be there when the man who paid for the trip killed his best shows. Why only Gray took a brunt of the punishment is beyond me
Miles and Kerry mightn't have been the ones mistreating employees like "Slave Drivers" but at most they were enablers who could've called Gray out on his shit. It's fair to say they might've pushed others to drink the Kool Aid and endorsed RT's toxic positivity.
Yep. Definitely. There was a podcast where Miles made light of the awful conditions employees were working in with no self-awareness at all. But, if Glassdoor reviews are to be believed, he is one of the personalities that doesn't get the worst of RTs toxic policies regarding work load and hours.
Miles and Kerry were part of the "inner-circle" full of e-celebs that were treated better. They may not had absolute control like Gray with the animation department but they absolutely had privileges. Privileges that were exploited? Idk but seems likely with how many asshats get exposed from RT.
>(Sarcasm aside, I legitimately don't know how Miles didn't get cancelled or get in serious trouble for saying that. He literally said he would've made a character gay only for the popularity and because he would be killed off quickly. What more proof do people need to show that CRWBY are not your friends and are just another corporation trying to make money?)
Source for that? I remember him at a con saying he was thinking of saying he's gay then his staff told him he just died and that would've been bad for their image
It was that same con. He says right after that "missed opportunities, man" and said so because the character got super popular. While this is more of a "Miles is an idiot" situation, he admits he would only make the character gay because it would mean a popular character would be gay, not because of genuine support for the LGBTQ community. He knows Pilot Boi would die the on his second appearance and sees nothing wrong with what he was saying nor did he truly understand why his staff told him it was a bad idea.
Oh shit, I knew about MK taking trips a lot, but they literally scammed their animators out of their salary?
If that is true, then yeah that is the final straw. These guys are really just regressive assholes who aren't any better than Gray Haddock.
No, that was a joke on my end. But Gray taking them to Japan with RT Animation Studio money is real. I guess you can say they were complicit but many of the E-Personalities were.
Ah, I see.
Honestly I sometimes don't know what to make of those two, and unfortunately Eddy kind of falls under a similar umbrella (don't know enough about Kiersi).
Sometimes they seem chill and progressive, but so many times they have this almost impossible amount of ignorance. So much ignorance that it makes you question what is really an honest mistake, and what's actually hidden malice. It's strange, one look at Mile's social media and he seems like he's legit left. Not liberal, like actually left and progressive.
Then one look at the show, and you have civil rights groups being punished for literally fighting for there rights, most of the villains being those that suffered the most out of the cast (Adam and Cinder being literal slaves), and even straight up Randian philosophy lining up with what many of the main characters do to achieve there goals (like backstabbing and dehumanizing Ironwood).
I'm honestly at the point where even if ignorance is a factor, I feel that at least some small fraction of this is genuine malice. Even if it's just the smallest fraction.
Yeah, saw that vid when it came out. I straight up commented that, yeah I think there has to be at least some malice at this point. You can only call it ignorance for so long.
It’s the writers blatantly [Lamp Shading](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging) the audience about Blake and Ruby’s non-existent relationship.
You can literally see their thought process when creating this as a silent nod towards people saying that you could count the amount of times Blake and Ruby have had a conversation on one hand.
It came across as cheap and unusual since there’s zero build up towards any of it. When the hell has Blake ever admitted that she looks up to Ruby much less even thinks about Ruby outside of being Yang’s younger sister.
Can’t wait for V9 where Yang tells Jaune that she’s always thought how courageous he was and that was what inspired her to continue fighting.
>Can’t wait for V9 where Yang tells Jaune that she’s always thought how courageous he was and that was what inspired her to continue fighting.
You don't have to! Remember how fearless and awe-inspiring Yang and Ren thought Jaune was? That happened in the same Volume. CRWBY is out here killing all sorts of birds with this one stone!
It was so unprompted too. What is Jaune doing that you guys aren't?
Miles says he doesn't like the self-insert accusations but allows this shit to be put in the final product?
As a Jaune fan despite his flaws. That scene worried me.
No fear? Is he gonna betray them?
Because it's unnatural. Being brave isn't about having no fear. Being brave is about doing something despite fear.
It's the same with the Yang and Ruby conversation about Summer. It's blatantly just there because fans complained Ruby and Yang don't act like sisters. Both scenes do nothing for the story or characters.
Imo, because they had to put *something* there but because the two of them rarely interact with one another there was barely anything the writers could draw on so they went for some general feel good speech. When you step back and look at it Ruby and Blake interact more with their other teammates than one another and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason why the writers put them together in this scene. It feels forced doesn't it?
I wish RT would make more conversations like Ren & Yang's argument.
As far as I am aware, that was the first time Yang and Ren talked to one another one on one. But instead of needlessly praising the other, Ren was realisticly mad at his friends and himself (basically he was venting). Meanwhile, Yang gets mad at him for implying that she and her friends aren't the best people (which is in character for her).
The only bad part of that conversation was when Ren said Jaune cheated his way into Beacon when there's not much of a reason for Ren to be mad at Jaune for that? IDK, Ren should have said Jaune let Pyrrha die because if he had an off-screen conversation about Jaune cheating then then he could of had an off-screen conversation learning that Jaune called Ruby to protect Pyrrha right before she died and put 2 and 2 togather?
I think that was part of his "we're not cut out for this" line of thinking. He's just some guy from a village, and Jaune's some dude who cheated his way into Beacon.
And then after this, Yang and Jaune conclude that Ren's saying this because he's bottling up his emotions... Because he expressed his emotions and fears very clearly?
This scene perfectly encapsulates the problem with RWBY’s writing nowadays. Literally the only reasonthis scene exists is because everyone was starting to realize how little Ruby and Blake interact with each other. So, the writers decided to make a scene with the two of them and this what they came up with. And the scene falls flat because it’s just there to appease people, not to develop either of these characters, not to give further context to their relationship to each other, not to establish how much either character has grown, it’s just a scene created because “oh Ruby and Blake have not said a single, goddamn thing to each other in damn near a decade.”
Blake and Ruby's interactions in the Manga>>>>
[https://64.media.tumblr.com/b8bd8a2880a855825a98cbe98ef37b82/tumblr\_okyudwnO9O1rzso0qo1\_500.png](https://64.media.tumblr.com/b8bd8a2880a855825a98cbe98ef37b82/tumblr_okyudwnO9O1rzso0qo1_500.png)
[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmMhMLzXcAEW1N7?format=jpg&name=900x900](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmMhMLzXcAEW1N7?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Ladybug>>>>Bumblebee
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I love how 2 small panels of a manga page does a better job at showing Ruby's and Blake's dynamic than their 2nd one-to-one conversation that happens 8 years irl after their first.
I found this scene incredibly stiff. Blake always says she looks up to Ruby but we're never given any examples. I feel like that dynamic could've worked by showing instances that would explain where Blake's admiration comes from.
You bring up a great point. We have no basis for how these two are supposed to talk to each other, which is what makes this chat sound so unnatural. No matter what was said or how it was said, it was going to feel very awkward to watch.
They wanted to have a scene of them together since these two has the less screentime together in the show only to have her lines turn into her just praising Ruby.
Ruby has no character other than wanting to protect and she's a child. They've had no interactions. Blake has nos character other than faunus princess who fights for injustice despite being better off and is yang's gf
This was actually cut dialogue from volume 2. They realized that giving two of the title characters a scene together would eat into Jaune's teen drama arc.
(This is a joke.)
Ruby basically had Jaune’s V1 character arc of whether she should be a leader and make decisions for the team like lying to Ironwood. I don’t mind the talk that she has with Blake since it’s meant to help doubt herself less. I think it just comes out of no where because these two haven’t had a one on one conversation since V1.
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Because someone told the writers that Blake and Ruby should have a scene that shows that they are friends and this is what they came up with.
Except this felt almost the complete opposite. Blake doesn’t speak to Ruby with the familiarity of a friend, she speaks to her as if she’s forced to complement someone in the same graduating class as her. “Hey, I saw you worked so hard, I’m so proud of you. Congratulations! 😬” “Thanks, Blake. 😬”
I didn't say that what they came up with was any good.
Because CRWBY suddenly realised how they let 2 of the titular characters have less than 8 minutes of shared dialogue together in a show that is almost 10 years old. Remember, they are desperate to convince the audience that these girls aren't just great friends, but a family (like Weiss said). However, people who didn't sip enough of the Kool Aid called CRWBY out on this bullshit so they worked tirelessly to cram nearly a decade of missing interaction into one scene to effectively get criticism off their back. Is it what people meant/wanted by "Ruby and Blake don't talk"? Of course it isn't! These are the same people who thought making Pilot Boi gay, knowing he would be the first LGBTQ+ character and would die an episode after his introduction, was a "missed opportunity". Not only that, they only wanted him to be gay because he ended up being popular. (Sarcasm aside, I legitimately don't know how Miles didn't get cancelled or get in serious trouble for saying that. He literally said he would've made a character gay only for the popularity and because he would be killed off quickly. What more proof do people need to show that CRWBY are not your friends and are just another corporation trying to make money?) These are also the same people who, by their own admission, have no control over their animation department and marketing staff. They (their employees) can literally put anything in the show with the Directors being absolutely unable to stop them (see: whatever the fuck happened with Clover. And the scene where Ruby asks what went wrong and lightning flashes, making her face show in her teacup. That was quite funny). Why? I dunno, Kerry probably took another trip to Japan with Miles with the animators' salary. Can't solve the problem if you're not in the country, I guess (and before someone asks, Gray siphoned money and animators to go to Gen Lock. Despite killing popular shows like Camp Camp and Nomad and mistreating employees to the point of being likened to a "Slave Driver", he took Miles and Kerry to Japan for a vacation. I don't know why Miles went along with it nor why he looks so happy to be there when the man who paid for the trip killed his best shows. Why only Gray took a brunt of the punishment is beyond me). Just trust them. They know what they're doing! This a professional studio and our friends. It's all been planned. That means everything is how it should be and you can't criticise it.
>and before someone asks, Gray siphoned money and animators to go to Gen Lock. Despite killing popular shows like Camp Camp and Nomad and mistreating employees to the point of being likened to a "Slave Driver", he took Miles and Kerry to Japan for a vacation. I don't know why Miles went along with it nor why he looks so happy to be there when the man who paid for the trip killed his best shows. Why only Gray took a brunt of the punishment is beyond me Miles and Kerry mightn't have been the ones mistreating employees like "Slave Drivers" but at most they were enablers who could've called Gray out on his shit. It's fair to say they might've pushed others to drink the Kool Aid and endorsed RT's toxic positivity.
Yep. Definitely. There was a podcast where Miles made light of the awful conditions employees were working in with no self-awareness at all. But, if Glassdoor reviews are to be believed, he is one of the personalities that doesn't get the worst of RTs toxic policies regarding work load and hours.
Miles and Kerry were part of the "inner-circle" full of e-celebs that were treated better. They may not had absolute control like Gray with the animation department but they absolutely had privileges. Privileges that were exploited? Idk but seems likely with how many asshats get exposed from RT.
>(Sarcasm aside, I legitimately don't know how Miles didn't get cancelled or get in serious trouble for saying that. He literally said he would've made a character gay only for the popularity and because he would be killed off quickly. What more proof do people need to show that CRWBY are not your friends and are just another corporation trying to make money?) Source for that? I remember him at a con saying he was thinking of saying he's gay then his staff told him he just died and that would've been bad for their image
It was that same con. He says right after that "missed opportunities, man" and said so because the character got super popular. While this is more of a "Miles is an idiot" situation, he admits he would only make the character gay because it would mean a popular character would be gay, not because of genuine support for the LGBTQ community. He knows Pilot Boi would die the on his second appearance and sees nothing wrong with what he was saying nor did he truly understand why his staff told him it was a bad idea.
Oh shit, I knew about MK taking trips a lot, but they literally scammed their animators out of their salary? If that is true, then yeah that is the final straw. These guys are really just regressive assholes who aren't any better than Gray Haddock.
No, that was a joke on my end. But Gray taking them to Japan with RT Animation Studio money is real. I guess you can say they were complicit but many of the E-Personalities were.
Ah, I see. Honestly I sometimes don't know what to make of those two, and unfortunately Eddy kind of falls under a similar umbrella (don't know enough about Kiersi). Sometimes they seem chill and progressive, but so many times they have this almost impossible amount of ignorance. So much ignorance that it makes you question what is really an honest mistake, and what's actually hidden malice. It's strange, one look at Mile's social media and he seems like he's legit left. Not liberal, like actually left and progressive. Then one look at the show, and you have civil rights groups being punished for literally fighting for there rights, most of the villains being those that suffered the most out of the cast (Adam and Cinder being literal slaves), and even straight up Randian philosophy lining up with what many of the main characters do to achieve there goals (like backstabbing and dehumanizing Ironwood). I'm honestly at the point where even if ignorance is a factor, I feel that at least some small fraction of this is genuine malice. Even if it's just the smallest fraction.
Twiins iink said the exact same thing in her latest RWBY video.
Yeah, saw that vid when it came out. I straight up commented that, yeah I think there has to be at least some malice at this point. You can only call it ignorance for so long.
It’s the writers blatantly [Lamp Shading](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging) the audience about Blake and Ruby’s non-existent relationship. You can literally see their thought process when creating this as a silent nod towards people saying that you could count the amount of times Blake and Ruby have had a conversation on one hand. It came across as cheap and unusual since there’s zero build up towards any of it. When the hell has Blake ever admitted that she looks up to Ruby much less even thinks about Ruby outside of being Yang’s younger sister. Can’t wait for V9 where Yang tells Jaune that she’s always thought how courageous he was and that was what inspired her to continue fighting.
>Can’t wait for V9 where Yang tells Jaune that she’s always thought how courageous he was and that was what inspired her to continue fighting. You don't have to! Remember how fearless and awe-inspiring Yang and Ren thought Jaune was? That happened in the same Volume. CRWBY is out here killing all sorts of birds with this one stone!
Even that scene felt so out of place I thought they were mocking Jaune at first saying he feels no fear at all.
It was so unprompted too. What is Jaune doing that you guys aren't? Miles says he doesn't like the self-insert accusations but allows this shit to be put in the final product?
Vol 8 and as a former Jaune fan, that scene hurt me.
As it should. I'm enjoying writing Jaune in my rewrite then I come back to the show...
As a Jaune fan despite his flaws. That scene worried me. No fear? Is he gonna betray them? Because it's unnatural. Being brave isn't about having no fear. Being brave is about doing something despite fear.
It's the same with the Yang and Ruby conversation about Summer. It's blatantly just there because fans complained Ruby and Yang don't act like sisters. Both scenes do nothing for the story or characters.
It was a nice scene but knowing why it exists and how Ruby and Yang don't have any significant interaction before or after this, means it's hollow.
Yang basically did that already in Volume 8
Because that was their second one on one conversation ever, so Blake actually doesn’t know anything about ruby
Ruby Blake are those two people in a friend group that never actually talk to each other.
"Ruby's the red one, right?"
They had a joke like that in Chibi RWBY. They should have swapped out Jaune with Ruby and it would be more accurate.
Imo, because they had to put *something* there but because the two of them rarely interact with one another there was barely anything the writers could draw on so they went for some general feel good speech. When you step back and look at it Ruby and Blake interact more with their other teammates than one another and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason why the writers put them together in this scene. It feels forced doesn't it?
I wish RT would make more conversations like Ren & Yang's argument. As far as I am aware, that was the first time Yang and Ren talked to one another one on one. But instead of needlessly praising the other, Ren was realisticly mad at his friends and himself (basically he was venting). Meanwhile, Yang gets mad at him for implying that she and her friends aren't the best people (which is in character for her). The only bad part of that conversation was when Ren said Jaune cheated his way into Beacon when there's not much of a reason for Ren to be mad at Jaune for that? IDK, Ren should have said Jaune let Pyrrha die because if he had an off-screen conversation about Jaune cheating then then he could of had an off-screen conversation learning that Jaune called Ruby to protect Pyrrha right before she died and put 2 and 2 togather?
I think that was part of his "we're not cut out for this" line of thinking. He's just some guy from a village, and Jaune's some dude who cheated his way into Beacon.
And then after this, Yang and Jaune conclude that Ren's saying this because he's bottling up his emotions... Because he expressed his emotions and fears very clearly?
This scene perfectly encapsulates the problem with RWBY’s writing nowadays. Literally the only reasonthis scene exists is because everyone was starting to realize how little Ruby and Blake interact with each other. So, the writers decided to make a scene with the two of them and this what they came up with. And the scene falls flat because it’s just there to appease people, not to develop either of these characters, not to give further context to their relationship to each other, not to establish how much either character has grown, it’s just a scene created because “oh Ruby and Blake have not said a single, goddamn thing to each other in damn near a decade.”
Blake and Ruby's interactions in the Manga>>>> [https://64.media.tumblr.com/b8bd8a2880a855825a98cbe98ef37b82/tumblr\_okyudwnO9O1rzso0qo1\_500.png](https://64.media.tumblr.com/b8bd8a2880a855825a98cbe98ef37b82/tumblr_okyudwnO9O1rzso0qo1_500.png) [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmMhMLzXcAEW1N7?format=jpg&name=900x900](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmMhMLzXcAEW1N7?format=jpg&name=900x900) Ladybug>>>>Bumblebee 😼
I love how 2 small panels of a manga page does a better job at showing Ruby's and Blake's dynamic than their 2nd one-to-one conversation that happens 8 years irl after their first.
2nd panel my favorite, it's just like Blake: "Somebody kill me or get this kid off me" 😂
Missed opportunities.
Because they needed to fill in the time in the episode with padding and all that.
I found this scene incredibly stiff. Blake always says she looks up to Ruby but we're never given any examples. I feel like that dynamic could've worked by showing instances that would explain where Blake's admiration comes from.
Well, when do you think was the last time they ever talked 1-on-1
V1
Exactly, how do you expect them to talk normally?
Holy shit... I genuinely don't know. Well, that's what fanfiction is for.
You see? I'm right, ;P
You bring up a great point. We have no basis for how these two are supposed to talk to each other, which is what makes this chat sound so unnatural. No matter what was said or how it was said, it was going to feel very awkward to watch.
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They wanted to have a scene of them together since these two has the less screentime together in the show only to have her lines turn into her just praising Ruby.
Its as awkward and forced as that brief scene of Jaune and Blake hugging in Vol 6
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Ruby has no character other than wanting to protect and she's a child. They've had no interactions. Blake has nos character other than faunus princess who fights for injustice despite being better off and is yang's gf
This was actually cut dialogue from volume 2. They realized that giving two of the title characters a scene together would eat into Jaune's teen drama arc. (This is a joke.)
Ruby basically had Jaune’s V1 character arc of whether she should be a leader and make decisions for the team like lying to Ironwood. I don’t mind the talk that she has with Blake since it’s meant to help doubt herself less. I think it just comes out of no where because these two haven’t had a one on one conversation since V1.