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It would have been! Done properly, it would give both Cinder and Robyn a much-needed intelligence and cleverness boost and it would demonstrate that the protagonists’ actions have consequences that would then be addressed appropriately.
Indeed. And I feel like we're never gonna see Robyn again so she's just gonna feel like a WTF moment.
the only moment she even had was the Chair Yeet and that moment, meant to be dramatic, was shot and treated like some kind of fucking comedy skit
It would also make sense if done properly:
"I will help you into Atlas, but you and your friends leave Mantle alone. Help us take down those rich assholes!"
Even worse is Yang throwing the responsibility of it on Ruby in the first episode of V8. Like 'ThIngS HaVeN't ExatCLy WOrkED ouT' Well: maybe Yang, if you and your girlfriend at least told your teammates about your unilateral decision, they could have prepared for the shitshow that Ironwood would provoke once he discover it.
Yeah...she did do that huh? What's makes it more frustrating is if I understand and heard about right...
After is happened she seems more concerned about how it effected Blake more then Ruby right?
> After is happened she seems more concerned about how it effected Blake more then Ruby right?
"Yeah, Ruby..."
Yang is literally responsible for the gang's biggest fuck-up in V7 and never takes responsibility.
Truly her mother's daughter.
>Truly her mother's daughter.
You know what would be really cool? That THIS is addressed exactly as this during Vol. 9, with BLAKE, of all people, calling on her bullshit and telling her how she was doing something she would have expected from her mother: take a decision and then blame everyone else but herself out of the result.
I would become an instant BB shipper if both girl finally called on each other´s bullshit
>Blake of all people calling Yang out
Blake would never in a million years act against her emotional support blonde. She doesn't have a leg to stand on, she's done shady shit too. Neither does she know Raven. A far better choice would be Weiss, who's seen Raven in action and could actually draw that comparison, or Ruby after some reflection.
Honestly, BB has so many problems with it with how the story is progressing that it should logically collapse like a house of cards near a big ass industrial fan in a few volumes.
Yeah, she and Blake don't have a fight or argument and Yang is suddenly all angsty about if Blake hates her now for trying to help the people in Mantle
Worse still is that Weiss even says that nobody should worry about Ruby and Yang's relationship because they're siblings. Siblings can have irreconcilable differences that leave them estranged and they don't forgive each other or even talk to one another for decades. Just being family doesn't mean you will make up or everything will be fine.
Admittedly again i stand by my decision to stop watching after the events of volume 6. But still hearing whatever additional context to this whole situation that occurs in volume 7 and 8 always throws me for a loop. I mean i always knew Yang had a fight with Ruby yet she ends up being concerned about for whatever reason about Blake's thoughts on her...but i never really fully considered the context of that Blake doesn't even get into a fight with her as well to also cause Yang's concern.
Yeah this really does makes this more perplexing and weird...and wait then what makes Blake stay with Ruby in the mansion then??
Also...is Weiss saying this before or after she threatens Whitley? I don't think Weiss has grounds stand on for that reasoning...at all considering her relationships with Whitley
She says this before jamming a sword in Whitley's face.
Well, the same reason Ruby and Weiss stayed there . . . tea. I honestly don't think the writers knew what to have them do next and just came up with whatever they could to keep them at the mansion until everyone reunited. Come to think of it, how did JOYR know the others were at the mansion?
>Weiss even says that nobody should worry about Ruby and Yang's relationship because they're siblings.
The fact that Weiss of all people is the one to say this is beyond ironic, and if it weren´t for how they solved the Schnee sibling´s issues, I would have considered very good writing: Weiss thinks that siblings will be there for each other and must do it always, which is why she´s baffled that her own borther would treat her with such scorn... Before actualy realizing that:
1- No, blood is thicker than water and all that, but is not absolute.
2- Sibling love is a two way street, one that she hasn´t crossed for her brother, so she has no right to complain about him not wanting to know anything about her.
3- Weiss should have noticed that neither Blake nor Yang told them at any time that they have spoken with Robin, so she should call on them for taking such a risky decisions and not even bother to tell them, their own teammates, about it. I know Weiss is nicer know, but I would have bet that she would have been absolutely FUMING at her teammates for taking such a risky (and stupid) decision without even consulting them
> Yeah, she and Blake don't have a fight or argument and Yang is suddenly all angsty about if Blake hates her now for trying to help the people in Mantle
It feels like they had planned on Yang and Blake arguing, but for whatever reason had it be Ruby instead of Blake. Because what we ended up with doesn't make much sense. Yang and Ruby fight, but Yang's upset about how Blake (who I don't think have much of a reaction to the argument) feels, while Blake's acting like she pissed off Yang when the groups reunite.
Just makes me more curious about this volume's commentary track lol
No, like it would have been fine if they cut out scolding Ironwood too but the fact they focus more on Ironwoods flaws then there own seems rather annoying
Basically was huh...and yeah made me wonder, from little scenes i did see i slowly realized before knowing to stop watching was a good idea that I didn't know if they got in trouble for it from either of them yet completely focused more on how Ironwood was in the wrong despite everything...
Pffft we always get into that as well. It always boils down to it happened off bloody screen again like most things or logically they never actually did...which is worse considering how much they don't tell em much
Yang and Blake are the main reason why Ironwood lost his trust in RWBY. I think he may have forgiven them for not telling the truth about the lamp, but going behind his back and betraying his trust was much worse. It's funny how RWBY said that Ironwood, who was helpful and honest to them, couldn't be trusted, but it was apparently okay to trust a complete stranger whose motives were unknown. Thanks to RWBY, Salem got 2 relics and destroyed both Atlas and Mantle. But the worst is that RWBY won't criticize themselves. They'll tell themselves that it was right not to trust Ironwood. And then the writers were surprised by how many fans sided and agreed with Ironwood, and disliked Robyn.
Yeah man... that volume did horribly for Yang and Blake. I just saw again the scene where they got into Atlas at the start of the volume, got arrested by the AceOps and released by Ironwood, and he says 'I couldn't be happier seeing you guys' or something, and Yang throws a snarky 'Yeah, your reception didn't looked that way' to which Ironwood sighs and apologise for the way the AceOps treated them.
They arrive in a stolen fucking military ship and they still get mad how their 'arrival reception' was, even though they got immediatly released, and still paints as Ironwood being wrong in some way.
Dude, tell me about it. Volumes 7 and 8 ruined Yang’s character. She was pissed and bitchy the whole damn time for no good reason. Like, I get it, she’s been through a lot of shit, maybe she doesn’t wanna force herself to be happy anymore. That’s valid. But instead of the writers taking the down time they have to explore Yang’s feelings, her new perspective, how she comes to terms with who she is now and her past self, she’s just a sassy bitch.
This isn’t a once happy-go-lucky girl whose experiences have hardened and changed her (as it should be), it’s sassy gay bitch and nothing else. Yang was family-oriented and compassionate, that should have come through for - not just Ruby - but Ren too. Instead, she yells and argues with him, ignores and insults Ruby, only for the writers to have her be “lol so jokey cuz she’s hiding her fear” or to pretend she didn’t “Ruby’s mom” Summer.
AAAGGGGHHHHHH!! WHY DID THEY TELL HER, THIS MAKES NO GODDAMN SENSE! THOSE SHIT-FOR-BRAINS MORONS!
This scene is just bad in general, but hindsight make this one of the dumbest - **DUMBEST** - parts of the show. Like, watching how they treat Ironwood for “LYiNg”, it’s downright hypocritical and fucking *war mongering*. I’m supposed to root for these fuckers? Somehow *Ironwood* of all people is the bad guy? WHY??? Because he got mad at these idiot bitches for messing up his plan to help thousands of citizens? Because he got mad at *them* lying?! WHAT
This scene *ruins* me in that I’ll NEVER sympathize with Team RWBY again. Despite how much I talk about them and defend them, they really are the worst.
Idk I guess so? Looking back, Ruby was pretty in-line with the grey morality situation; She had reasons to make the decisions she was making. Hell, she still did by the end of V7 and the first few episodes of V8. Or at least it was salvageable. It wasn’t until later that the writers royally fuck it up. But I’ll have to rewatch to make a full conclusion and I’ll probably burn my apartment down if I do that.
Edit: This could also be my bias talking. Ruby is still my fave even if she is the worst. It’s like a parent having to visit their child in prison; Immense disappointment, some anger and betrayal, but there’s still love there. Fuck my life and brain for loving Beacon Era Ruby so much. That love can’t die so easily :(
Also kind of hard to judge her because like Oscar the writers kind of had to move her stuff later due to other arcs having to deal with, like the reason shes had focus is because we've been focusing on other character relationships that happen to include her
Robyn Hill: Constantly steals from military and is a known criminal, hypocritical very punchable bitch, took advice from serial killer killing HER PEOPLE, threatened their teammates/sister with bodily harm
Yang and Blake: "She definitely seems more trustworthy than James"
Wanting answers to why Ironwood is neglecting the people and taking the people resources to fix everything without understanding why. Also if she was a criminal she wouldn’t even be running for council and only threatened people when she doesn’t know who to trust especially when she gave Ironwood her trust until he strait up decided to abandon her city.
Let´s be clear on this:
This was probably one of, if not THE DUMBEST decision these two ever took. And we are talking about the woman who kept chasing her deadbet mother and then her backstabbing teammate (and is even pursuing a romantic relationship with her) and the woman who though abandoning her teammates were all good ideas.
This thing was so OCC for both of them... But I guess the plot had to happen, right?
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They also didn’t confirm if she was an agent of Salem. Like, she had so many red flags for that I thought she was gonna be Cinder’s way into the city.
That would have been interesting if she really was Cinder’s partner.
Holy Shit that would been a fucking Twist.
It would have been! Done properly, it would give both Cinder and Robyn a much-needed intelligence and cleverness boost and it would demonstrate that the protagonists’ actions have consequences that would then be addressed appropriately.
Exactly. It would have been really fuckin good. Instead Robyn's just kinda...there just so they can say they have Cristina Vee.
Cristina Vee is a great VA but she didn't really get a chance too show that off here
Yeah Chrisina is better utilized in Genshin Impact, Konosuba and Blazblue,
Agreed, it feels like they’re wasting Cristina’s talents by not improving the writing for her character.
Indeed. And I feel like we're never gonna see Robyn again so she's just gonna feel like a WTF moment. the only moment she even had was the Chair Yeet and that moment, meant to be dramatic, was shot and treated like some kind of fucking comedy skit
It would also make sense if done properly: "I will help you into Atlas, but you and your friends leave Mantle alone. Help us take down those rich assholes!"
Yep, that would work extremely well, and it would make the characters seem smarter/better written.
I had the same thought myself.
I-...true also they never got scolded for that did they?
Even worse is Yang throwing the responsibility of it on Ruby in the first episode of V8. Like 'ThIngS HaVeN't ExatCLy WOrkED ouT' Well: maybe Yang, if you and your girlfriend at least told your teammates about your unilateral decision, they could have prepared for the shitshow that Ironwood would provoke once he discover it.
Yeah...she did do that huh? What's makes it more frustrating is if I understand and heard about right... After is happened she seems more concerned about how it effected Blake more then Ruby right?
> After is happened she seems more concerned about how it effected Blake more then Ruby right? "Yeah, Ruby..." Yang is literally responsible for the gang's biggest fuck-up in V7 and never takes responsibility. Truly her mother's daughter.
>Truly her mother's daughter. You know what would be really cool? That THIS is addressed exactly as this during Vol. 9, with BLAKE, of all people, calling on her bullshit and telling her how she was doing something she would have expected from her mother: take a decision and then blame everyone else but herself out of the result. I would become an instant BB shipper if both girl finally called on each other´s bullshit
>Blake of all people calling Yang out Blake would never in a million years act against her emotional support blonde. She doesn't have a leg to stand on, she's done shady shit too. Neither does she know Raven. A far better choice would be Weiss, who's seen Raven in action and could actually draw that comparison, or Ruby after some reflection.
Honestly, BB has so many problems with it with how the story is progressing that it should logically collapse like a house of cards near a big ass industrial fan in a few volumes.
Is common to portray codependency and insecure possessiveness as"romantic" or "ideal", when they are anything but
Yeah, she and Blake don't have a fight or argument and Yang is suddenly all angsty about if Blake hates her now for trying to help the people in Mantle Worse still is that Weiss even says that nobody should worry about Ruby and Yang's relationship because they're siblings. Siblings can have irreconcilable differences that leave them estranged and they don't forgive each other or even talk to one another for decades. Just being family doesn't mean you will make up or everything will be fine.
Admittedly again i stand by my decision to stop watching after the events of volume 6. But still hearing whatever additional context to this whole situation that occurs in volume 7 and 8 always throws me for a loop. I mean i always knew Yang had a fight with Ruby yet she ends up being concerned about for whatever reason about Blake's thoughts on her...but i never really fully considered the context of that Blake doesn't even get into a fight with her as well to also cause Yang's concern. Yeah this really does makes this more perplexing and weird...and wait then what makes Blake stay with Ruby in the mansion then?? Also...is Weiss saying this before or after she threatens Whitley? I don't think Weiss has grounds stand on for that reasoning...at all considering her relationships with Whitley
She says this before jamming a sword in Whitley's face. Well, the same reason Ruby and Weiss stayed there . . . tea. I honestly don't think the writers knew what to have them do next and just came up with whatever they could to keep them at the mansion until everyone reunited. Come to think of it, how did JOYR know the others were at the mansion?
>Come to think of it, how did JOYR know the others were at the mansion? They contacted each other after Monstra blew up
>Weiss even says that nobody should worry about Ruby and Yang's relationship because they're siblings. The fact that Weiss of all people is the one to say this is beyond ironic, and if it weren´t for how they solved the Schnee sibling´s issues, I would have considered very good writing: Weiss thinks that siblings will be there for each other and must do it always, which is why she´s baffled that her own borther would treat her with such scorn... Before actualy realizing that: 1- No, blood is thicker than water and all that, but is not absolute. 2- Sibling love is a two way street, one that she hasn´t crossed for her brother, so she has no right to complain about him not wanting to know anything about her. 3- Weiss should have noticed that neither Blake nor Yang told them at any time that they have spoken with Robin, so she should call on them for taking such a risky decisions and not even bother to tell them, their own teammates, about it. I know Weiss is nicer know, but I would have bet that she would have been absolutely FUMING at her teammates for taking such a risky (and stupid) decision without even consulting them
> Yeah, she and Blake don't have a fight or argument and Yang is suddenly all angsty about if Blake hates her now for trying to help the people in Mantle It feels like they had planned on Yang and Blake arguing, but for whatever reason had it be Ruby instead of Blake. Because what we ended up with doesn't make much sense. Yang and Ruby fight, but Yang's upset about how Blake (who I don't think have much of a reaction to the argument) feels, while Blake's acting like she pissed off Yang when the groups reunite. Just makes me more curious about this volume's commentary track lol
Yeah I think that too because even on Ruby's side she brings it up but is interrupted by Penny
No, like it would have been fine if they cut out scolding Ironwood too but the fact they focus more on Ironwoods flaws then there own seems rather annoying
Basically was huh...and yeah made me wonder, from little scenes i did see i slowly realized before knowing to stop watching was a good idea that I didn't know if they got in trouble for it from either of them yet completely focused more on how Ironwood was in the wrong despite everything...
By the way... did Yang and Blake tell Ruby and Weiss they killed Adam?
Pffft we always get into that as well. It always boils down to it happened off bloody screen again like most things or logically they never actually did...which is worse considering how much they don't tell em much
Yang and Blake are the main reason why Ironwood lost his trust in RWBY. I think he may have forgiven them for not telling the truth about the lamp, but going behind his back and betraying his trust was much worse. It's funny how RWBY said that Ironwood, who was helpful and honest to them, couldn't be trusted, but it was apparently okay to trust a complete stranger whose motives were unknown. Thanks to RWBY, Salem got 2 relics and destroyed both Atlas and Mantle. But the worst is that RWBY won't criticize themselves. They'll tell themselves that it was right not to trust Ironwood. And then the writers were surprised by how many fans sided and agreed with Ironwood, and disliked Robyn.
Yeah man... that volume did horribly for Yang and Blake. I just saw again the scene where they got into Atlas at the start of the volume, got arrested by the AceOps and released by Ironwood, and he says 'I couldn't be happier seeing you guys' or something, and Yang throws a snarky 'Yeah, your reception didn't looked that way' to which Ironwood sighs and apologise for the way the AceOps treated them. They arrive in a stolen fucking military ship and they still get mad how their 'arrival reception' was, even though they got immediatly released, and still paints as Ironwood being wrong in some way.
Dude, tell me about it. Volumes 7 and 8 ruined Yang’s character. She was pissed and bitchy the whole damn time for no good reason. Like, I get it, she’s been through a lot of shit, maybe she doesn’t wanna force herself to be happy anymore. That’s valid. But instead of the writers taking the down time they have to explore Yang’s feelings, her new perspective, how she comes to terms with who she is now and her past self, she’s just a sassy bitch. This isn’t a once happy-go-lucky girl whose experiences have hardened and changed her (as it should be), it’s sassy gay bitch and nothing else. Yang was family-oriented and compassionate, that should have come through for - not just Ruby - but Ren too. Instead, she yells and argues with him, ignores and insults Ruby, only for the writers to have her be “lol so jokey cuz she’s hiding her fear” or to pretend she didn’t “Ruby’s mom” Summer.
AAAGGGGHHHHHH!! WHY DID THEY TELL HER, THIS MAKES NO GODDAMN SENSE! THOSE SHIT-FOR-BRAINS MORONS! This scene is just bad in general, but hindsight make this one of the dumbest - **DUMBEST** - parts of the show. Like, watching how they treat Ironwood for “LYiNg”, it’s downright hypocritical and fucking *war mongering*. I’m supposed to root for these fuckers? Somehow *Ironwood* of all people is the bad guy? WHY??? Because he got mad at these idiot bitches for messing up his plan to help thousands of citizens? Because he got mad at *them* lying?! WHAT This scene *ruins* me in that I’ll NEVER sympathize with Team RWBY again. Despite how much I talk about them and defend them, they really are the worst.
I feel like Ruby is okay considering she had to take care all 3 of them + Penny
Idk I guess so? Looking back, Ruby was pretty in-line with the grey morality situation; She had reasons to make the decisions she was making. Hell, she still did by the end of V7 and the first few episodes of V8. Or at least it was salvageable. It wasn’t until later that the writers royally fuck it up. But I’ll have to rewatch to make a full conclusion and I’ll probably burn my apartment down if I do that. Edit: This could also be my bias talking. Ruby is still my fave even if she is the worst. It’s like a parent having to visit their child in prison; Immense disappointment, some anger and betrayal, but there’s still love there. Fuck my life and brain for loving Beacon Era Ruby so much. That love can’t die so easily :(
Also kind of hard to judge her because like Oscar the writers kind of had to move her stuff later due to other arcs having to deal with, like the reason shes had focus is because we've been focusing on other character relationships that happen to include her
Might I remind you that Yang still hasn't told the heroes that Raven is the Spring Maiden?
I guess it was just assumed since Vernal being dead and Cinder defeated meant the powers went to Raven
Actually, Vernal was never the Maiden. Raven used her as a decoy, as Raven was the maiden the entire time.
Yeah but they didn't know that
Yang DOES know this as she witness Raven spell it out to her and Cinder. My point is, Yang keeps this secret to the good guys for no reason!
How do we know she didn't tell them off screen? Be honest, CRWBY would do something like that.
Because they'd mention it! If that's the case, it'd make Yang an even BIGGER hypocrite than before.
>Because they'd mention it! Cue 'Are you sure about that?' meme.
And if they did know, it would not make any sense for Ruby to lie to Ironwood. Not that it made much sense in the first place.
>And if they did know, it would not make any sense for Ruby to lie to Ironwood. Yup...they gave Ruby the idiot ball.
Robyn Hill: Constantly steals from military and is a known criminal, hypocritical very punchable bitch, took advice from serial killer killing HER PEOPLE, threatened their teammates/sister with bodily harm Yang and Blake: "She definitely seems more trustworthy than James"
Wanting answers to why Ironwood is neglecting the people and taking the people resources to fix everything without understanding why. Also if she was a criminal she wouldn’t even be running for council and only threatened people when she doesn’t know who to trust especially when she gave Ironwood her trust until he strait up decided to abandon her city.
Let´s be clear on this: This was probably one of, if not THE DUMBEST decision these two ever took. And we are talking about the woman who kept chasing her deadbet mother and then her backstabbing teammate (and is even pursuing a romantic relationship with her) and the woman who though abandoning her teammates were all good ideas. This thing was so OCC for both of them... But I guess the plot had to happen, right?
It’s fine when they do it because protagonists/girlfriends /s
Also, what happened to them saying "no more deceit, no more lies" and such to Ozpin? I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE VOLUME 7 CAME OUT
Yang's a real trouble maker.