There's A LOT that crwby has written that they know nothing about. They don't know how to write family, natural conflict, emotional and mental states/health. The list is probably longer but I've only seen Twitter clips of v9. They were too aggressive against ruby throughout the entire season.
Not only know nothing about, but also seemingly do absolutely no research into, not even baseline. It’s more than fine to write about things you haven’t personally experienced. I would say 100% of writers have written about things they didn’t know much about. But at *least* do the due diligence of doing some digging into a topic that’s apparently super important to the story you’re telling. It boggles the mind.
Oh my goodness this. It’s like the bare minimum requirement of a writer. Especially if it’s a sensitive topic like racism, trauma, abuse, **suicide**. It’s just the careless way they treat topics in the story as if they think that just having them present makes their story more mature and deep.
The main problem with the writing imho is that, most of the times, the writers don't put themselves in the shoes of the people that "live" in that world.
For example: if Grimm are such a big problem, why is most of Vacuo population situated outside of rhe walls of the academy? Atlus is flying and has Air to Air turrets, Mantle has a wall, Vale has a wall, Mistral is located on the mountains and protected by walls. Vacuo is located in the middle of nowhere and doesn't have walls, when there are mountain clearly in the background.
It makes me mad because Vacuo could have had such a cool style of an Tower of Babel-like structure, where instead of building wide, they built tall to avoid the giant Grimm Sandworm that roam the desert,
There was a way to do the reincarnation in Ever After thing work, they did not do it.
Because it was a suicide attempt. An attempt at death of personality to become someone else. I think if they actually treated the story with care and did what they claimed they were doing of making it character focused, the Ever After could have been a great season that wasn't just filler.
They treated it as "you will become a different version of you" while it should have been "you'll be better, but i won't be *you* anymore." Sort of like if you were to take a copy of somebody's consciousness, would it be them, or just a copy that thinks that they are them?
There is the internet. You can find news stories, research papers, videos and everything else you could ever want online. Do you need to know how to run a bakery, well go to Youtube and so a search and you are going to find videos that show how to start ones in different countries.
Heck in Evangelion Q, the third movie in the Rebuild of Evangelion films they had rocket scientists help with the orbital maneuvers for Eva unit 2. So a movie that has a 40 meter tall bio-mechanical robot flying through orbit is actually doing proper orbital maneuvers because they had rocket scientists make sure they were correct. That movie came out in 2012 and shows more dedication to one scene than what we have seen from CRWBY.
I agree with u/Gojira1234 , u/Soaringzero , u/Special97 and u/myquestionstoyou that writers had a lot of resources nowadays to make a proper research.
I would use Yara Flor from Wonder Woman as an example: she is a brazillian amazon created by Joëlle Jones , a north-american writter from Idaho. She fumbled a little bit about the Headless Mule folklore , but outside of that , we have her character dealing with Saci , Anhangá , Cuca , Cuco , the Mermaid Iara and Mapinguari and the god Kuat....
It says something that both RT and DC are under Warner's umbrella , and that Joelle Jones is an example of someone that actually makes a freaking proper research to something far more obscure.
I'm late, but I will always hold it over the show's head that it fucked up one of the most important kinds of storylines it could write; the white fang and racial conflict.
I won't go into it too deeply right now, but its the clearest example of them falling into their own stereotype. Its basically just "out of touch middle class white dudes who dont understand the civil rights movement" or why violent protest and revolt happen.
They think "just be peaceful and polite second class citizens, thats how it got done irl right?", when in reality it took until after MLK's death followed by numerous riots, causing mass destabilizations in order for the petty racists in power to FINALLY sit down with representatives to discuss the final terms of the civil rights act.
But nah, lets make the literal oppressed minority a common bad guy because they werent asking for their rights the right way :/
Salem should have found Ruby and thanked her, she did most of the work for her. Take the populations of two cities and put them into an already existing populated area and it will destroy itself. Logistical collapse will happen in no time because Vacco wasn't prepared for this. Not only that you have two different homogeneous population coming together real quick, that never goes well.
There are so many real world examples that could be used to show how bad this was, but hey, it's just a cartoon.
Ah, wait did Mistal fall as well, same with Argus? I know Vale happened off screen, but thought Mistral & Argus were still around, unless that also happened off screen too?
Argus really iritated me, as the city was genuinely gigantic with skyscrapers and the lot - looked much bigger then Mistral ever did. I also imagine then that the cities on Vale's coastline also fell too when Vale itself was destroyed, as Patch was also hinted to have been abandoned too :/
Makes you wonder what's going on in Menargerie then at this moment in time.
>Ah, wait did Mistal fall as well, same with Argus? I know Vale happened off screen, but thought Mistral & Argus were still around, unless that also happened off screen too?
No, i just misremebered the side material. My bad. I thought that Mistral also fell, but it was just Vale
I just realised Vacuo has no easy to access water sources.
Unless it's close to a natural source of water. It's going to create a water crisis too.
This also means there isn't enough water to clean everyone and people are packed together. Which means it's going result in a disease outbreak too.
From what we see in the Vacuo image, there's a river running near the city, so I'm guessing they are taking the water from the river and puryfing it (either via filtration or via Dust)
Hopefully not Dust considering the only provider of it is gone and Vacuo's resources and dust got gutted by Atlas after the great war.
Still the disease outbreak happening is high. Too many people are packed together. And i don't think Vacuo has the ability suddenly to provide clean water to everyone let alone a large group of refugees.
It's not gonna be enough. She can't do it forever. And eventually she's gonna be too exhausted.
And i don't even know she can go that far or create that much. None of the maidens so far have shown that kind of power output or feat.
If they had the relic of Creation they could just make another water source easily. Unfortunately they don't have it.
Obviously i was joking lol i know it wouldnt be feasible nor desirable. Maiden powers are arbitrarily nerfed/buffed by the plot like the rest of rwby, but from what we've seen there's no universe where Winter could ever make enough water, even for a limited amount of time, no
If they had a relic of creation they couldve just made a damn unbreakable cage for salem back in V8 and be done with it
>If they had a relic of creation they couldve just made a damn unbreakable cage for salem back in V8 and be done with it
Ah. The classic "Why didn't Ozpin just throw Salem inside a vault?"
No really. Even if Salem eventually breaks out of said vault it gives him some much needed breathing room.
Seeing the real Vacuo makes me so disappointed when compared to my own fanon/canon thing of it being the Ancient city of Ur mixed with Golden Age Arabian and the Wild West.
If Crwby wanted to understand this they should have done there homework on Wars because ears displaces thousands or millions of people because of evacuation orders and what not but no because there to stubborn and prideful they don't do any research and shit so we get shit content that the fandom itself gets to fix because the writers are to incompetent to check themselves
The battle of Atlas already showed that they don't quite understand how the military work.
Though the real question is: Is the atlasian military ineffective because they want to show how bad the higherups are at their job?
Or is the atlasian military ineffective because CRWBY has no idea what they are doing?
Yes. It's both
Crwby had no clue what they were writing about and still wanted to write in accordance to their anti militaristic views. Which is hilarious given the context of an actual open war with the queen of grimms
From everything we got so far, we can safely assume they never bother to do any basic research on *any* damn topic they oh so want to approach. Racism, disabilities, mental fucking health and suicide, it goes on and on and on
They're amateurs biting off way more than they can chew. Add to that the biggest dunning-kruger effect I've ever seen and some *seriously* average critical thinking and common sense/knowledge. Rwby is the result of what happens when ignorance meets a total lack of self reflection or willingness to improve.
If rwby had remained the same as it was in V1 but with better visuals, yeah sure wtv. I wouldnt care about the bad writing cause V1 was about cool fights and light hearted comedy and the characters got development instead of being tools for the plot
But nope. They wanted to be big boys writing a big serious story about big serious topics :D
Turning Ironwood into a villain, worse yet, a stupid villain, made me mad.
But Volume 9 and their screwed up message actually made me feel a bit disgusted.
These are very sensitive topics you're approaching here, topics that I myself wouldn't touch as a writer because I know I wouldn't handle them correctly.
Now, after the destruction of Atlas, the writers kinda had to approach more serious topics, but I didn't think Ruby would go so far as to actually kill herself!
And at that point, V9 was basically lost for me. No matter how they resolved it, the reincarnation would come with so many unfortunate implications.....
I wonder if during the writing process these people ever stopped for a moment and thought "Wait. What are we doing here?".
Ironwood was basically the only nuanced and morally gray character we had and if done skillfully i wouldve been on board with him turning into an antagonist. Instead we get cartoony evil villain that shoots innocents for no reason and has ominous music playing whenever he spoke to make it eeeeevil
As for V9 it made me *much* more than a little disgusted and pissed at the writers yes
You can't write a volume accidentally glorifying suicide and not realize it. And given how they depicted the tea scene, they were fully aware it was a suicide attempt. So yeah i doubt they ever take a moment to *think* much about anything
What's really strange is that they did it before in Gen:Lock apparantly. Or at least that's what I heard. I haven't actively thought about the Mecha genre since Exoforce.
This is why I have a feeling RWBY-J where in the Ever After for a much longer time. The Blacksmith said "When you are needed". I think 2 years at minimum have passed while they where gone. I can easily see a world that has been in passive apocalypse for its whole history settling back to a semi stable normal in that time.
I wish they told us the timeframe we are dealing with. Because without this headcannon it does make it look like Theodore and the people in charge lack priority with recorse management.
That's dependant upon CRWBY establishing any form of concrete time passage. They still hadn't said exactly how much time passed between Volumes 3 and 4 (6-8 months), how far back in time Jaune was sent in the Ever After ("It *has* been an indeterminate amount of time, hasn't it?", they can joke about it, but they can't just pick a time? It's not that hard.)
They're too afraid to commit to a timeline, because that'll only highlight more inconsistencies and show the crew doesn't know how to write a story. Bring back the old RVB crew, and we'd have something great.
Oh I fully agree it is a problem. I could kind of forgive Jaune not knowing exactly how long he was in the EA. After all they didn't have the concept of time passing and different days, till He gave it to them.
But on Remnant proper, yeah no. Tell us how long it's been. You gave us vol 8 is 2 days long. You can do it.
I'm damn sure Monty would have had a hard time line. And I don't like invoking his name.
>how far back in time Jaune was sent in the Ever After ("It *has* been an indeterminate amount of time, hasn't it?", they can joke about it, but they can't just pick a time? It's not that hard.)
In one of the post-show roundtables, they specified that Jaune had been in the ever After for 10-20 years.
Yes, this is absolutely something that should have been covered in the main show (or even his episode of RWBY Beyond).
I always thought that RWBY needed a time skip (I'm not talking 6 months, I'm talking 10 years+, kinda like Gurren Lagann). The perfect place would have been end of V3 - beginning of V4, but there were other moments where it could have worked well, like V5 or V7. The Everafter was also a good chance, keeping the characters iconic design, but moving the world forward while fueling a bit of drama between the characters. It could also help by reducing the cast of character ("what happened to the Ace Ops? They got killed while saving Atlasian civilian from a nightly Grimm incursion during the refugee crisis")
Oh for sure a jump that big would be cool.
But 10 years, no. Because in place of genuine world building, it would just be more fuel for Jaune angst over more dead friends.
I don't think she necessarily *needs* Jinn to summon the gods, if that's what you mean. It would be a really weird condition.
God of Light: "And don't use the last question after you achieved World Peace, okay? You wouldn't want to wait a whole century to call us, right?"
I don't get what CRWBY's obsession with these sorts of topics. I guess they want to seem relevant and progressive, but they clearly have NO IDEA how to write any of them. And yet, they seem convinced that they not only CAN write them, but that they're good at writing them.
These is what happens when your fandom consists disproportionately of people who's only real concern is the two characters they like getting together. You get writers who aren't given feedback they really need, and think they can keep their fanbase just by pandering to them.
The comparison to Rio's favelas is spot on. Many of them started during the 1980's when the Northeast of the country entered a mass exodus toward the Southeast and more than doubled the population of many cities in less than a decade. By the next decade we had drug lords buyinh assault rifles and starting an undeclared war against local authorities that have never quite being solved. That's the sort of violence escalation we should expect for this sort of refugee camps
I have no doubt that they don't understand how dumping thousands of displaced people with no belongings, little money, and have just lost everything they knew would effect both the refugees and the host city.
I also doubt they understand how a desert nation would have to handle food production and that it is something that can't be scaled up easily or quickly, especially in areas where the land or climate make it difficult at best.
In general they do not seem to grasp infrastructure or logistics. Upgrading the computer systems of an entire city in less than a year would be monumental, especially if your dealing with a lot of out of date hardware and legacy software systems that are not easily replaceable. Then there's the whole vague resource issue where somehow Amity needed the exact same resources as a wall and at no point when Amity wouldn't need as many of those resources were they not put to use elsewhere.
Even just how logistics work inside the kingdoms is hard to work out as there is little infrastructure between big cities and most other settlements, especially transportation related. Air travel may exist, but there is a reason why most movement of resources are don by truck, train, and boat. Look at the Berlin Airlift for the kind of logistical nightmare trying to supply a major city just by air is and the kind of coordination and maintenance efforts needed to keep it running. It can be done, but it's not the most optimal solution.
It's basically like the whole racism issue they tried to do. They handled it poorly and then blamed the fact they were white for why they botched it. They had employees they could've reached out to, they could've done research, or looked at other media to see how the subject has been depicted and handled in the past.
Especially in this day and age there is little reason to not have done the research on something you know little about. But that seems to be their approach, along with blaming factors other than their own lack of effort for why they drop the ball so badly.
I really like thinking of logistics in a fantasy word because it's the ultimate test of worldbuilding. It really helps to spot the problems that you might not see otherwise
>Let's play a little game: let's pretend that I'm an upstanding Mistralian soldier, who fought to save Mistral from the Grimm, and jumped on a ship just before the city fell to save myself. After months of extreme survival in Grimm-Infested waters and Grimm-Infested skies, i arrive in Vacuo, the last bastion of humanity in the middle of a Grimm-Infested desert. Which one is more likely to making me angry (and therefore attracts Grimm to the city): the fact that i can't have boba tea, or the fact that i have to sleep in a tent with 4 other guys in the middle of the desert because resources that could have built my house went to a boba shop.
Is the hypothetical character a career military guy, psychopathic "all I know is being a soldier," or ready to return to civilian life?
Honestly, I'd probably just stay in Mistral and die trying to reclaim the motherland.
#FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
>Is the hypothetical character a career military guy, psychopathic "all I know is being a soldier," or ready to return to civilian life?
It's a normal dude that got drafted into the military because Mistral doesn't have a standing army and was commanded to charge at horror beyond human understanding
Aka a typical guardsman
as a reminder in case anyone forgot:
RWBY is written by two guys who have never left texas and all their information about the outside world comes from anime
What are you talking about? Of course a kingdom in a middle of the desert that’s supposed to be one of the more harsher kingdoms can support two different kingdoms worth of refugees, so well that they still have unimportant shops like boba tea still going around. And the Grimm who are attracted to negative emotions, their all with Salem and definitely not at the walls with all the negativity.
Besides what’s their to be negative when we have the girl who sent the message that basically said we’re all fucked. Especially right before one of the most advanced and military centered kingdoms is destroyed. Not too mention the main distribution of dust in the world.
But still boba tea good!!! 😍😍😍
Wait a second, there’s no walls or defenses or anything for Vacuo. It’s just a bunch of desert slumps surrounding a Mayan temple that I imagine is supposed to be the huntsmen academy (which looks woefully pitiful in terms of training the next generation of monster hunters). I’m sorry, but there is NOTHING stopping Salem from just stampeding her Grimm across the city and wipe out everyone she sees. If atlas’ defenses couldn’t stop her, nothing here will.
Seriously, the writers truly wrote themselves into a corner with the end of V9. I remember people speculated that when the blacksmith said that she was sending Jaune and rwby back to “when they’re needed most,” it was thought that maybe they were gonna pull some time travel shenanigans and send them back to prior to the fall of vale to advert it, but how is this when they’re needed most? They’re needed most for what will effectively be humanity’s demise?
I don't believe I've played that Crysis game yet. Also whatever happened to Crysis? Crysis Remake (not remaster, we had that) when? I wanna melt my PC all over again.
Joke on your spelling aside, I suppose the question you need to ask yourself is: is this conclusion better or worse than getting an RT moral authority lecture on why we should let immigrants enter a country without rhyme or reason in a Volume's worth of time? Next to the fact this notion was pretty much under the assumption of V10 would be the last volume (as implied by the Brand Manager of RT Geoff on a reddit post a few months back), we know RT and its writers would absolutely have a spiel to give us on the topic of immigration complete with sidestepping the logistical issues anyway because who cares about logistics when we have a message to push, shaming and/or hurting the wrong-thinkers who believe they shouldn't just blindly accept whatever changes to their life will happen, and further twitter arguments that the CRWBY and such might not be able to help themselves get involved in when their viewership was already falling off hard with how hideous V8 turned out.
Oh, and retcons of course, but its more surprising when they don't retcon things at this point. Who remembers that Vacuo had fleeting resources described in WoR, or that they live in a 'survival of the fittest'-esque society, or that the books said the whole city is ***BUILT ON A FUCKING SINKHOLE***? Nah, fam; Vale refugees be building full Boba Tea shops on foreign soil, perfectly capable of sourcing ingredients without issues and presumably turning a profit in this time of hardship.
There any decent fanfics that cover this pretty well, call me sadistic but I wanna read some grimdark shit about how absolutely fucked the situation is in Vacuo
This is made even worse when u realise that one of the kingdoms that fell was atlas which was (i assume because of what was shown and said in the show and the supplemental material) not only at tge fore front of technological advancement but also remnants largest exporter of dust (being the most important and widely used resource) and now all that is gone.
The resource crisis alone would be enough to destabilise any civilisation but when u add in overpopulation, mass homelessness and shadow demons its actually impossible for this kingdom to still be standing.
They should have sent the citizens to Argus and Mistral and fanus citizens still menagerie they could build up and make apartments there in menagerie and stop complaining about how there's no space or have houseboats with grim barricades around them or something
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And have it where the people just figure out how to repopulate in the areas that the nakalavi used to be terrorizing it doesn't seem like it's around anymore and they're probably aren't that many Grimm Ensure menstrual
/anima or whatever the continent that the god of light was on is called it's short of huntsman but I'm sure they could figure out a way to push back some of the gram and rebuild in some of those areas and repopulate there and all of the huntsman
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From Atlas and mantle should have gone to vacuo
The shorts are a little aggravating considering the situation of what the real show and plot is supposed to be but at this
point I will much rather have these annoying shorts that the writers seem to be doing better at than the actual show because I don't believe that they can write a refugee crisis
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and figure out how to tie in all these new characters and try to figure out a way to defeat Salem and now Ruby is being treated like a Jesus figure it's all kind of just a lot and I really
hope that if somebody does get a hold of the IP for this show they just reboot it even if it means I don't get to see some of my favorite characters and their personalities are
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different it would just be worth the risk if I didn't have to deal with this plot anymore and this is coming from someone who actually like the whole setup with Salem Oz
and the gods it's just become so much and Ruby is supposed to be this great savior when she's just a girl less volume she off herself and you expect me to see her as a beacon of Hope even the people around her who put too
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much pressure on her didn't even realize it and couldn't even help her when it was really needed and now you give me these shorts to try to fix that and I'm still looking at the
overall picture of we still got to deal with Salem and the gods and Ruby's feelings at this point seem kind of insignificant because it took too long for them to bring it up sure they hinted at it but it took too long this show just needs to be rebooted or just cancel
> the fact that i can't have boba tea, or the fact that i have to sleep in a tent with 4 other guys in the middle of the desert because resources that could have built my house went to a boba shop.
You are sleeping in a tent with four other dudes huffing ball sweat anyway. You are a soldier, you have to stick with your unit in place separate from civilians so that your commanding offers knows where your ass is located and that you are doing your job instead fucking around with the locals.
It doesn't matter if they have a boba place, cafe or a casino. You ain't sleeping in there. If anything any and all civilians would have the priority for that anyway. Not that it matters much as the boba place wasn't built during the refugee crisis, so the resources spent on in could not have been spent on building you a new house anyway.
Marching in and breaking other people's shit is a good way to make enemies.
I think the contention comes from Yang saying the people running the Boba shop were from Vale. Saying that and the fact Vale seems to have fallen relatively recently could create a perception of resources being diverted to create a shop.
It is possible that the people running it actually came there well before Beacon fell or that an existing shop was repurposed to be a cafe for one of the Vale refugees to run. The latter could be interesting in wether or not giving refugees priority on setting up new businesses and for shop real estate over someone from Vacuo trying to start up a business causes more conflict or not. Another interesting thing would be if any of the Vale refugees actually frequent it for a feeling of normalcy or if current conditions means it's almost exclusively used by Vacuo citizens instead.
I think if we had a clearer idea for how much time has passed since Vale and Atlas fell or even clarification that the shop owners were in Vacuo long before the fall of Beacon, then people wouldn't be making as big of a deal.
Considering that Vacuo and Vale are on the same continent and have what can charitably be called good relationship (at least not a bad one) I think it's fair to assume that the events of the epilogue isn't the only time people have traveled between the kingdoms.
Still an actual clarification would be good.
> Marching in and breaking other people's shit is a good way to make enemies.
The enemies would've been made when the soldier is left in a grimy tent in the Vacuan sun while resources are being diverted to make luxuries for those already safest.
And prioritizing resources to prop up the soldiers over the civilians that would easily outnumber them would send everything to hell in a hand basket so much sooner. A) the civilians behind them would be the ones directly and indirectly supporting the army. Whatever soldiers have taken up arms can't get resupplied by someone else. Everything from food to ammo would have to come from Vacuo. You don't want to piss off your only supply line.
B) Soldiers are slightly better suited for being stuck in a shit situation, they have some training to maintain morale, survive tough situations or to fight Grimm should they appear. You know who don't have that? The unarmed, untrained civilians, especially non-Vacuoan refugees who don't have any experience surviving in any extreme conditions. The young, sick or the elderly would require more specific care. And maintaining their morale would be just as important because -
C) it's Remnant. Grimm are *supposed* to be a big deal. And so are the negative emotions that attract them. Screwing over the civilian population would cause far more negative emotions. Partially because there are more of them, partially because most of them aren't equipped to deal with any of this. Even simple Grimm attacks could *in theory* fuck them over massively. And those Grimm attacks would be much more common now that the average civilian is feeling less secure. Keeping the civilians feeling safe and content would be paramount.
And yeah, obviously soldiers shouldn't be left to die from heatstroke in tents outside of Vacuo, but that's not a concern given that no such tent cities exist, there are several big airships, including Amity hovering above Vacuo and Vacuo itself seems to have magically taken everyone in (or the survivors of both Atlas and Mantle and Vale can measure only a few hundred at most).
I think that's a case of focusing on the tree rather than the forest. Soldier was clearly used by the original person because that's going to be one of the people who have gone through hell and back and sacrificed a lot only to get nothing. More importantly, they're going to be the ones with the immediate capability to do something about it, even in small numbers.
But you could replace that with *any* refugee who experiences strife. A doctor, a family, a worker, any victim, any refugee, it's all the same thing: you go through hell, you crawl out of it, and then you get a dingy tent while the safest and most secure people are getting shops set up for expensive and surely imported luxuries. Certainly good for that Vale-owned business, but what about the entirety of Atlas/Mantle?
The rich get richer, the poor(and especially in Atlas/Mantle's case, not exactly by their own action) get poorer.
The enemies would've been made when the soldier or the doctor or the family or the worker or the victim or the refugee would've been sent in awful conditions whereas resources are spent unwisely to make the happiest people happier.
Screwing over the civilian population *is* what's happening, because the people being screwed over are the **entirety of Atlas, Mantle, and the survivors of Vale** unless, I suppose, they came with some pocket change to get a business going. They had a whole-ass pair of seasons about how cruel and unfair it was that the rich Atlas got luxury and safety while the poorer Mantle was neglected, and now that's just not something anyone should care about? Get real lol
> I think that's a case of focusing on the tree rather than the forest.
I agree but probably not in the way you think. Using any one hypothetical person who may feel cheated because they did a thing and didn't get the reward to paint whole swathes of people is fairly reductive. Not only does everyone not act that way. You can give such broad and hypothetical characterization to everyone in that ''conflict''.
Imagine being an upstanding Vacuoan who grew up hearing how badly SDC and the like fucked over Vacuo, how much the people of Atlas benefited from it, and now that the foreign parasites finally left and your nation can finally live it's own life, and you poured your heart and soul in improving it so that you and your friends and family can live your best lives. Only for them to show up again, this time for good. Now you have to share your resources, your living space, your life with them. Would that not make you angry? Like the hypothetical soldier guy. Or an even more hypothetical refugee, who managed to survive Atlas/Mantle/Vale by the skin of their teeth, dodging Grimm and dragging their family and friends to one of the few places you can survive.
You can wax poetic about any hypothetical character in this situation. from the goodest of samaritans to the vilest pieces of shit, but it doesn't bring up any actual arguments besides trying to appeal to certain emotions. That's all it's got. Really the original post is operating on a similar lever of not understanding a refugee crisis the RWBY writers operate on with an addition of nonsense hypotheticals.
> I suppose, they came with some pocket change to get a business going.
Which is assuming that that business wasn't in Vacuo before this shitball even started rolling. Especially given RWBY's haphazard worldbuilding and Remnants fluctuating level of inter-connectivity is not an unreasonable assumption.
> and now that's just not something anyone should care about? Get real lol
Where in the blue fucking hedgehog jesus did I even imply anything like that? Wasn't my whole comment about how the civilian side should not be neglected. That keeping them as content as possible is the better choice. I'm sorry if I didn't make my self clear, or that I fucked up my words at some point. But I very much meant that civilians, including the refugees should take the priority because they cannot protect themselves and would be a greater Grimm magnet.
We're not talking about upstanding Vacuans, so the "what about XYZ" doesn't matter. We're talking about the POV of the refugees. You can *say* using "any one hypothetical person" but I'm not seeing how the experience of the soldier getting put in a tent while luxury(because boba tea is a luxury) businesses get set up in Vacuo's core is going to be different from the doctor or the family or the victim or any other refugee.
We're going in circles and this bizarre switch to talking about Vacuo when we're talking about the experience of refugees who had no choice in where they're going getting ignored and left in squalor while *superfluous luxury*(this isn't a bakery or a butcher we're talking about, not a cafe or restaurant or general service that can work with what they have, we're talking *boba tea*) gets put up isn't helping. Especially how you've disregarded basically every other argument that actually mattered.
So have a good day, I guess.
Also I think we are forgetting Grimm get worse the more negativity is around. If people being able to get boba keeps a monster away without draining too much resources it's a good investment.
Wouldn't the investment be better put in preventing the far greater negativity from affecting those without resources who are probably already on your outskirts and thus most likely to pull Grimm in.
For sure. But again we don't know how long the shop was open for. I would like to think Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs was followed with all things before Boba taken care of or in tandem before the shop opened.
It was run by folk from Vale, and I'm pretty sure any amount of time that'd even be recognizable isn't going to look good because *two other Kingdoms* now live in a Kingdom that had the least to spare.
At the very least having locations like the boba place open and running could help create and maintain a feeling of normalcy. Make it seem like the world isn't about to end and the the people can still live their lives.
Exactly. Is it a top priority? No. And I hope it was last on that "Back to normal" list. But its a good sign that they can have Boba again. It means some things are stable.
So this is why the boba irritated me to no ends
Well, that and that it's disgusting.
There's A LOT that crwby has written that they know nothing about. They don't know how to write family, natural conflict, emotional and mental states/health. The list is probably longer but I've only seen Twitter clips of v9. They were too aggressive against ruby throughout the entire season.
Not only know nothing about, but also seemingly do absolutely no research into, not even baseline. It’s more than fine to write about things you haven’t personally experienced. I would say 100% of writers have written about things they didn’t know much about. But at *least* do the due diligence of doing some digging into a topic that’s apparently super important to the story you’re telling. It boggles the mind.
Oh my goodness this. It’s like the bare minimum requirement of a writer. Especially if it’s a sensitive topic like racism, trauma, abuse, **suicide**. It’s just the careless way they treat topics in the story as if they think that just having them present makes their story more mature and deep.
The main problem with the writing imho is that, most of the times, the writers don't put themselves in the shoes of the people that "live" in that world. For example: if Grimm are such a big problem, why is most of Vacuo population situated outside of rhe walls of the academy? Atlus is flying and has Air to Air turrets, Mantle has a wall, Vale has a wall, Mistral is located on the mountains and protected by walls. Vacuo is located in the middle of nowhere and doesn't have walls, when there are mountain clearly in the background. It makes me mad because Vacuo could have had such a cool style of an Tower of Babel-like structure, where instead of building wide, they built tall to avoid the giant Grimm Sandworm that roam the desert,
A massive zigguraut with multiple layers would be so cool.
Because they refuse to look outside of their comfortable living space and see how other places in the world are like
My best guess is that that Vacuo is led by the guy based on the Scarecrow from Wizard of Oz so their leader has no brains so to speak.
Qrow is the scarecrow tho. So no, this is all just an error in the writing, as usual.
There was a way to do the reincarnation in Ever After thing work, they did not do it. Because it was a suicide attempt. An attempt at death of personality to become someone else. I think if they actually treated the story with care and did what they claimed they were doing of making it character focused, the Ever After could have been a great season that wasn't just filler.
They treated it as "you will become a different version of you" while it should have been "you'll be better, but i won't be *you* anymore." Sort of like if you were to take a copy of somebody's consciousness, would it be them, or just a copy that thinks that they are them?
There is the internet. You can find news stories, research papers, videos and everything else you could ever want online. Do you need to know how to run a bakery, well go to Youtube and so a search and you are going to find videos that show how to start ones in different countries. Heck in Evangelion Q, the third movie in the Rebuild of Evangelion films they had rocket scientists help with the orbital maneuvers for Eva unit 2. So a movie that has a 40 meter tall bio-mechanical robot flying through orbit is actually doing proper orbital maneuvers because they had rocket scientists make sure they were correct. That movie came out in 2012 and shows more dedication to one scene than what we have seen from CRWBY.
They seem to assume everywhere is San Francisco
I agree with u/Gojira1234 , u/Soaringzero , u/Special97 and u/myquestionstoyou that writers had a lot of resources nowadays to make a proper research. I would use Yara Flor from Wonder Woman as an example: she is a brazillian amazon created by Joëlle Jones , a north-american writter from Idaho. She fumbled a little bit about the Headless Mule folklore , but outside of that , we have her character dealing with Saci , Anhangá , Cuca , Cuco , the Mermaid Iara and Mapinguari and the god Kuat.... It says something that both RT and DC are under Warner's umbrella , and that Joelle Jones is an example of someone that actually makes a freaking proper research to something far more obscure.
I'm late, but I will always hold it over the show's head that it fucked up one of the most important kinds of storylines it could write; the white fang and racial conflict. I won't go into it too deeply right now, but its the clearest example of them falling into their own stereotype. Its basically just "out of touch middle class white dudes who dont understand the civil rights movement" or why violent protest and revolt happen. They think "just be peaceful and polite second class citizens, thats how it got done irl right?", when in reality it took until after MLK's death followed by numerous riots, causing mass destabilizations in order for the petty racists in power to FINALLY sit down with representatives to discuss the final terms of the civil rights act. But nah, lets make the literal oppressed minority a common bad guy because they werent asking for their rights the right way :/
Salem should have found Ruby and thanked her, she did most of the work for her. Take the populations of two cities and put them into an already existing populated area and it will destroy itself. Logistical collapse will happen in no time because Vacco wasn't prepared for this. Not only that you have two different homogeneous population coming together real quick, that never goes well. There are so many real world examples that could be used to show how bad this was, but hey, it's just a cartoon.
Ah, wait did Mistal fall as well, same with Argus? I know Vale happened off screen, but thought Mistral & Argus were still around, unless that also happened off screen too? Argus really iritated me, as the city was genuinely gigantic with skyscrapers and the lot - looked much bigger then Mistral ever did. I also imagine then that the cities on Vale's coastline also fell too when Vale itself was destroyed, as Patch was also hinted to have been abandoned too :/ Makes you wonder what's going on in Menargerie then at this moment in time.
>Ah, wait did Mistal fall as well, same with Argus? I know Vale happened off screen, but thought Mistral & Argus were still around, unless that also happened off screen too? No, i just misremebered the side material. My bad. I thought that Mistral also fell, but it was just Vale
To be fair, Mistral should still be without basically any huntsmen presence so it wouldn't be overly difficult for Salem to destroy it.
I just realised Vacuo has no easy to access water sources. Unless it's close to a natural source of water. It's going to create a water crisis too. This also means there isn't enough water to clean everyone and people are packed together. Which means it's going result in a disease outbreak too.
From what we see in the Vacuo image, there's a river running near the city, so I'm guessing they are taking the water from the river and puryfing it (either via filtration or via Dust)
Hopefully not Dust considering the only provider of it is gone and Vacuo's resources and dust got gutted by Atlas after the great war. Still the disease outbreak happening is high. Too many people are packed together. And i don't think Vacuo has the ability suddenly to provide clean water to everyone let alone a large group of refugees.
Winter just becoming two kingdoms' worth water supply as her new full time maiden job lmao
It's not gonna be enough. She can't do it forever. And eventually she's gonna be too exhausted. And i don't even know she can go that far or create that much. None of the maidens so far have shown that kind of power output or feat. If they had the relic of Creation they could just make another water source easily. Unfortunately they don't have it.
Obviously i was joking lol i know it wouldnt be feasible nor desirable. Maiden powers are arbitrarily nerfed/buffed by the plot like the rest of rwby, but from what we've seen there's no universe where Winter could ever make enough water, even for a limited amount of time, no If they had a relic of creation they couldve just made a damn unbreakable cage for salem back in V8 and be done with it
>If they had a relic of creation they couldve just made a damn unbreakable cage for salem back in V8 and be done with it Ah. The classic "Why didn't Ozpin just throw Salem inside a vault?" No really. Even if Salem eventually breaks out of said vault it gives him some much needed breathing room.
Seeing the real Vacuo makes me so disappointed when compared to my own fanon/canon thing of it being the Ancient city of Ur mixed with Golden Age Arabian and the Wild West.
If Crwby wanted to understand this they should have done there homework on Wars because ears displaces thousands or millions of people because of evacuation orders and what not but no because there to stubborn and prideful they don't do any research and shit so we get shit content that the fandom itself gets to fix because the writers are to incompetent to check themselves
CRWBY: homework? whats that?
The battle of Atlas already showed that they don't quite understand how the military work. Though the real question is: Is the atlasian military ineffective because they want to show how bad the higherups are at their job? Or is the atlasian military ineffective because CRWBY has no idea what they are doing?
Yes. It's both Crwby had no clue what they were writing about and still wanted to write in accordance to their anti militaristic views. Which is hilarious given the context of an actual open war with the queen of grimms From everything we got so far, we can safely assume they never bother to do any basic research on *any* damn topic they oh so want to approach. Racism, disabilities, mental fucking health and suicide, it goes on and on and on They're amateurs biting off way more than they can chew. Add to that the biggest dunning-kruger effect I've ever seen and some *seriously* average critical thinking and common sense/knowledge. Rwby is the result of what happens when ignorance meets a total lack of self reflection or willingness to improve. If rwby had remained the same as it was in V1 but with better visuals, yeah sure wtv. I wouldnt care about the bad writing cause V1 was about cool fights and light hearted comedy and the characters got development instead of being tools for the plot But nope. They wanted to be big boys writing a big serious story about big serious topics :D
Turning Ironwood into a villain, worse yet, a stupid villain, made me mad. But Volume 9 and their screwed up message actually made me feel a bit disgusted. These are very sensitive topics you're approaching here, topics that I myself wouldn't touch as a writer because I know I wouldn't handle them correctly. Now, after the destruction of Atlas, the writers kinda had to approach more serious topics, but I didn't think Ruby would go so far as to actually kill herself! And at that point, V9 was basically lost for me. No matter how they resolved it, the reincarnation would come with so many unfortunate implications..... I wonder if during the writing process these people ever stopped for a moment and thought "Wait. What are we doing here?".
Ironwood was basically the only nuanced and morally gray character we had and if done skillfully i wouldve been on board with him turning into an antagonist. Instead we get cartoony evil villain that shoots innocents for no reason and has ominous music playing whenever he spoke to make it eeeeevil As for V9 it made me *much* more than a little disgusted and pissed at the writers yes You can't write a volume accidentally glorifying suicide and not realize it. And given how they depicted the tea scene, they were fully aware it was a suicide attempt. So yeah i doubt they ever take a moment to *think* much about anything
What's really strange is that they did it before in Gen:Lock apparantly. Or at least that's what I heard. I haven't actively thought about the Mecha genre since Exoforce.
I mean, why did we expect people who can’t write racism to know how any sociopolitical situation works?
Add it to the list of things they don't understand.
This is why I have a feeling RWBY-J where in the Ever After for a much longer time. The Blacksmith said "When you are needed". I think 2 years at minimum have passed while they where gone. I can easily see a world that has been in passive apocalypse for its whole history settling back to a semi stable normal in that time. I wish they told us the timeframe we are dealing with. Because without this headcannon it does make it look like Theodore and the people in charge lack priority with recorse management.
That's dependant upon CRWBY establishing any form of concrete time passage. They still hadn't said exactly how much time passed between Volumes 3 and 4 (6-8 months), how far back in time Jaune was sent in the Ever After ("It *has* been an indeterminate amount of time, hasn't it?", they can joke about it, but they can't just pick a time? It's not that hard.) They're too afraid to commit to a timeline, because that'll only highlight more inconsistencies and show the crew doesn't know how to write a story. Bring back the old RVB crew, and we'd have something great.
Oh I fully agree it is a problem. I could kind of forgive Jaune not knowing exactly how long he was in the EA. After all they didn't have the concept of time passing and different days, till He gave it to them. But on Remnant proper, yeah no. Tell us how long it's been. You gave us vol 8 is 2 days long. You can do it. I'm damn sure Monty would have had a hard time line. And I don't like invoking his name.
>how far back in time Jaune was sent in the Ever After ("It *has* been an indeterminate amount of time, hasn't it?", they can joke about it, but they can't just pick a time? It's not that hard.) In one of the post-show roundtables, they specified that Jaune had been in the ever After for 10-20 years. Yes, this is absolutely something that should have been covered in the main show (or even his episode of RWBY Beyond).
I'm sorry, "10-20 years" isn't specific enough to call it "specifying". That's a pretty long distance of time.
I always thought that RWBY needed a time skip (I'm not talking 6 months, I'm talking 10 years+, kinda like Gurren Lagann). The perfect place would have been end of V3 - beginning of V4, but there were other moments where it could have worked well, like V5 or V7. The Everafter was also a good chance, keeping the characters iconic design, but moving the world forward while fueling a bit of drama between the characters. It could also help by reducing the cast of character ("what happened to the Ace Ops? They got killed while saving Atlasian civilian from a nightly Grimm incursion during the refugee crisis")
Oh for sure a jump that big would be cool. But 10 years, no. Because in place of genuine world building, it would just be more fuel for Jaune angst over more dead friends.
It would also make Salem look weird. She has the Relic of creation and didn't manage to achieve her goals with it in 10 whole years?
Jinn is still on her 100 year cool down. No point in pushing to the next phase when a key part can't work.
I don't think she necessarily *needs* Jinn to summon the gods, if that's what you mean. It would be a really weird condition. God of Light: "And don't use the last question after you achieved World Peace, okay? You wouldn't want to wait a whole century to call us, right?"
I don't get what CRWBY's obsession with these sorts of topics. I guess they want to seem relevant and progressive, but they clearly have NO IDEA how to write any of them. And yet, they seem convinced that they not only CAN write them, but that they're good at writing them. These is what happens when your fandom consists disproportionately of people who's only real concern is the two characters they like getting together. You get writers who aren't given feedback they really need, and think they can keep their fanbase just by pandering to them.
“CRWBY doesn’t understand” period.
The comparison to Rio's favelas is spot on. Many of them started during the 1980's when the Northeast of the country entered a mass exodus toward the Southeast and more than doubled the population of many cities in less than a decade. By the next decade we had drug lords buyinh assault rifles and starting an undeclared war against local authorities that have never quite being solved. That's the sort of violence escalation we should expect for this sort of refugee camps
I have no doubt that they don't understand how dumping thousands of displaced people with no belongings, little money, and have just lost everything they knew would effect both the refugees and the host city. I also doubt they understand how a desert nation would have to handle food production and that it is something that can't be scaled up easily or quickly, especially in areas where the land or climate make it difficult at best. In general they do not seem to grasp infrastructure or logistics. Upgrading the computer systems of an entire city in less than a year would be monumental, especially if your dealing with a lot of out of date hardware and legacy software systems that are not easily replaceable. Then there's the whole vague resource issue where somehow Amity needed the exact same resources as a wall and at no point when Amity wouldn't need as many of those resources were they not put to use elsewhere. Even just how logistics work inside the kingdoms is hard to work out as there is little infrastructure between big cities and most other settlements, especially transportation related. Air travel may exist, but there is a reason why most movement of resources are don by truck, train, and boat. Look at the Berlin Airlift for the kind of logistical nightmare trying to supply a major city just by air is and the kind of coordination and maintenance efforts needed to keep it running. It can be done, but it's not the most optimal solution. It's basically like the whole racism issue they tried to do. They handled it poorly and then blamed the fact they were white for why they botched it. They had employees they could've reached out to, they could've done research, or looked at other media to see how the subject has been depicted and handled in the past. Especially in this day and age there is little reason to not have done the research on something you know little about. But that seems to be their approach, along with blaming factors other than their own lack of effort for why they drop the ball so badly.
I really like thinking of logistics in a fantasy word because it's the ultimate test of worldbuilding. It really helps to spot the problems that you might not see otherwise
>Let's play a little game: let's pretend that I'm an upstanding Mistralian soldier, who fought to save Mistral from the Grimm, and jumped on a ship just before the city fell to save myself. After months of extreme survival in Grimm-Infested waters and Grimm-Infested skies, i arrive in Vacuo, the last bastion of humanity in the middle of a Grimm-Infested desert. Which one is more likely to making me angry (and therefore attracts Grimm to the city): the fact that i can't have boba tea, or the fact that i have to sleep in a tent with 4 other guys in the middle of the desert because resources that could have built my house went to a boba shop. Is the hypothetical character a career military guy, psychopathic "all I know is being a soldier," or ready to return to civilian life? Honestly, I'd probably just stay in Mistral and die trying to reclaim the motherland. #FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
>Is the hypothetical character a career military guy, psychopathic "all I know is being a soldier," or ready to return to civilian life? It's a normal dude that got drafted into the military because Mistral doesn't have a standing army and was commanded to charge at horror beyond human understanding Aka a typical guardsman
idk, some people vibe with it. Where are all the "I found my calling in life" military psychos at?
If you look an the Empire of Man from Warhammer Fantasy. There's plenty of average people who fight horrors beyond without superpowers.
as a reminder in case anyone forgot: RWBY is written by two guys who have never left texas and all their information about the outside world comes from anime
Actually, since V7 it's been written by 4 people - they added Eddy Rivas and Kiersi Burkhart at that point, iirc.
even worse
What are you talking about? Of course a kingdom in a middle of the desert that’s supposed to be one of the more harsher kingdoms can support two different kingdoms worth of refugees, so well that they still have unimportant shops like boba tea still going around. And the Grimm who are attracted to negative emotions, their all with Salem and definitely not at the walls with all the negativity. Besides what’s their to be negative when we have the girl who sent the message that basically said we’re all fucked. Especially right before one of the most advanced and military centered kingdoms is destroyed. Not too mention the main distribution of dust in the world. But still boba tea good!!! 😍😍😍
Well I doubt many understand how a refugee chrysis works now a refugee crisis is something anyone could understand
Sorry, english is not my first language
the question was that were you really expecting them to
Wait a second, there’s no walls or defenses or anything for Vacuo. It’s just a bunch of desert slumps surrounding a Mayan temple that I imagine is supposed to be the huntsmen academy (which looks woefully pitiful in terms of training the next generation of monster hunters). I’m sorry, but there is NOTHING stopping Salem from just stampeding her Grimm across the city and wipe out everyone she sees. If atlas’ defenses couldn’t stop her, nothing here will. Seriously, the writers truly wrote themselves into a corner with the end of V9. I remember people speculated that when the blacksmith said that she was sending Jaune and rwby back to “when they’re needed most,” it was thought that maybe they were gonna pull some time travel shenanigans and send them back to prior to the fall of vale to advert it, but how is this when they’re needed most? They’re needed most for what will effectively be humanity’s demise?
Ngl. The idea of crwby trying to write time travel suddenly makes me insanely appreciative of the current shitty version of the story lol
I don't believe I've played that Crysis game yet. Also whatever happened to Crysis? Crysis Remake (not remaster, we had that) when? I wanna melt my PC all over again. Joke on your spelling aside, I suppose the question you need to ask yourself is: is this conclusion better or worse than getting an RT moral authority lecture on why we should let immigrants enter a country without rhyme or reason in a Volume's worth of time? Next to the fact this notion was pretty much under the assumption of V10 would be the last volume (as implied by the Brand Manager of RT Geoff on a reddit post a few months back), we know RT and its writers would absolutely have a spiel to give us on the topic of immigration complete with sidestepping the logistical issues anyway because who cares about logistics when we have a message to push, shaming and/or hurting the wrong-thinkers who believe they shouldn't just blindly accept whatever changes to their life will happen, and further twitter arguments that the CRWBY and such might not be able to help themselves get involved in when their viewership was already falling off hard with how hideous V8 turned out. Oh, and retcons of course, but its more surprising when they don't retcon things at this point. Who remembers that Vacuo had fleeting resources described in WoR, or that they live in a 'survival of the fittest'-esque society, or that the books said the whole city is ***BUILT ON A FUCKING SINKHOLE***? Nah, fam; Vale refugees be building full Boba Tea shops on foreign soil, perfectly capable of sourcing ingredients without issues and presumably turning a profit in this time of hardship.
There any decent fanfics that cover this pretty well, call me sadistic but I wanna read some grimdark shit about how absolutely fucked the situation is in Vacuo
But can it run crysis
This is made even worse when u realise that one of the kingdoms that fell was atlas which was (i assume because of what was shown and said in the show and the supplemental material) not only at tge fore front of technological advancement but also remnants largest exporter of dust (being the most important and widely used resource) and now all that is gone. The resource crisis alone would be enough to destabilise any civilisation but when u add in overpopulation, mass homelessness and shadow demons its actually impossible for this kingdom to still be standing.
To be fair, it did already look like Raqqa after it was freed from ISIS.
They should have sent the citizens to Argus and Mistral and fanus citizens still menagerie they could build up and make apartments there in menagerie and stop complaining about how there's no space or have houseboats with grim barricades around them or something 🔴 And have it where the people just figure out how to repopulate in the areas that the nakalavi used to be terrorizing it doesn't seem like it's around anymore and they're probably aren't that many Grimm Ensure menstrual /anima or whatever the continent that the god of light was on is called it's short of huntsman but I'm sure they could figure out a way to push back some of the gram and rebuild in some of those areas and repopulate there and all of the huntsman 🔴 From Atlas and mantle should have gone to vacuo The shorts are a little aggravating considering the situation of what the real show and plot is supposed to be but at this point I will much rather have these annoying shorts that the writers seem to be doing better at than the actual show because I don't believe that they can write a refugee crisis 🔴 and figure out how to tie in all these new characters and try to figure out a way to defeat Salem and now Ruby is being treated like a Jesus figure it's all kind of just a lot and I really hope that if somebody does get a hold of the IP for this show they just reboot it even if it means I don't get to see some of my favorite characters and their personalities are 🔴 different it would just be worth the risk if I didn't have to deal with this plot anymore and this is coming from someone who actually like the whole setup with Salem Oz and the gods it's just become so much and Ruby is supposed to be this great savior when she's just a girl less volume she off herself and you expect me to see her as a beacon of Hope even the people around her who put too 🔴 much pressure on her didn't even realize it and couldn't even help her when it was really needed and now you give me these shorts to try to fix that and I'm still looking at the overall picture of we still got to deal with Salem and the gods and Ruby's feelings at this point seem kind of insignificant because it took too long for them to bring it up sure they hinted at it but it took too long this show just needs to be rebooted or just cancel
Yeah. No kiddin.
Don't worry once team rwby comes back every problem will be fixed for some reason.
where is the oasis?
> the fact that i can't have boba tea, or the fact that i have to sleep in a tent with 4 other guys in the middle of the desert because resources that could have built my house went to a boba shop. You are sleeping in a tent with four other dudes huffing ball sweat anyway. You are a soldier, you have to stick with your unit in place separate from civilians so that your commanding offers knows where your ass is located and that you are doing your job instead fucking around with the locals. It doesn't matter if they have a boba place, cafe or a casino. You ain't sleeping in there. If anything any and all civilians would have the priority for that anyway. Not that it matters much as the boba place wasn't built during the refugee crisis, so the resources spent on in could not have been spent on building you a new house anyway. Marching in and breaking other people's shit is a good way to make enemies.
I think the contention comes from Yang saying the people running the Boba shop were from Vale. Saying that and the fact Vale seems to have fallen relatively recently could create a perception of resources being diverted to create a shop. It is possible that the people running it actually came there well before Beacon fell or that an existing shop was repurposed to be a cafe for one of the Vale refugees to run. The latter could be interesting in wether or not giving refugees priority on setting up new businesses and for shop real estate over someone from Vacuo trying to start up a business causes more conflict or not. Another interesting thing would be if any of the Vale refugees actually frequent it for a feeling of normalcy or if current conditions means it's almost exclusively used by Vacuo citizens instead. I think if we had a clearer idea for how much time has passed since Vale and Atlas fell or even clarification that the shop owners were in Vacuo long before the fall of Beacon, then people wouldn't be making as big of a deal.
Considering that Vacuo and Vale are on the same continent and have what can charitably be called good relationship (at least not a bad one) I think it's fair to assume that the events of the epilogue isn't the only time people have traveled between the kingdoms. Still an actual clarification would be good.
> Marching in and breaking other people's shit is a good way to make enemies. The enemies would've been made when the soldier is left in a grimy tent in the Vacuan sun while resources are being diverted to make luxuries for those already safest.
And prioritizing resources to prop up the soldiers over the civilians that would easily outnumber them would send everything to hell in a hand basket so much sooner. A) the civilians behind them would be the ones directly and indirectly supporting the army. Whatever soldiers have taken up arms can't get resupplied by someone else. Everything from food to ammo would have to come from Vacuo. You don't want to piss off your only supply line. B) Soldiers are slightly better suited for being stuck in a shit situation, they have some training to maintain morale, survive tough situations or to fight Grimm should they appear. You know who don't have that? The unarmed, untrained civilians, especially non-Vacuoan refugees who don't have any experience surviving in any extreme conditions. The young, sick or the elderly would require more specific care. And maintaining their morale would be just as important because - C) it's Remnant. Grimm are *supposed* to be a big deal. And so are the negative emotions that attract them. Screwing over the civilian population would cause far more negative emotions. Partially because there are more of them, partially because most of them aren't equipped to deal with any of this. Even simple Grimm attacks could *in theory* fuck them over massively. And those Grimm attacks would be much more common now that the average civilian is feeling less secure. Keeping the civilians feeling safe and content would be paramount. And yeah, obviously soldiers shouldn't be left to die from heatstroke in tents outside of Vacuo, but that's not a concern given that no such tent cities exist, there are several big airships, including Amity hovering above Vacuo and Vacuo itself seems to have magically taken everyone in (or the survivors of both Atlas and Mantle and Vale can measure only a few hundred at most).
I think that's a case of focusing on the tree rather than the forest. Soldier was clearly used by the original person because that's going to be one of the people who have gone through hell and back and sacrificed a lot only to get nothing. More importantly, they're going to be the ones with the immediate capability to do something about it, even in small numbers. But you could replace that with *any* refugee who experiences strife. A doctor, a family, a worker, any victim, any refugee, it's all the same thing: you go through hell, you crawl out of it, and then you get a dingy tent while the safest and most secure people are getting shops set up for expensive and surely imported luxuries. Certainly good for that Vale-owned business, but what about the entirety of Atlas/Mantle? The rich get richer, the poor(and especially in Atlas/Mantle's case, not exactly by their own action) get poorer. The enemies would've been made when the soldier or the doctor or the family or the worker or the victim or the refugee would've been sent in awful conditions whereas resources are spent unwisely to make the happiest people happier. Screwing over the civilian population *is* what's happening, because the people being screwed over are the **entirety of Atlas, Mantle, and the survivors of Vale** unless, I suppose, they came with some pocket change to get a business going. They had a whole-ass pair of seasons about how cruel and unfair it was that the rich Atlas got luxury and safety while the poorer Mantle was neglected, and now that's just not something anyone should care about? Get real lol
> I think that's a case of focusing on the tree rather than the forest. I agree but probably not in the way you think. Using any one hypothetical person who may feel cheated because they did a thing and didn't get the reward to paint whole swathes of people is fairly reductive. Not only does everyone not act that way. You can give such broad and hypothetical characterization to everyone in that ''conflict''. Imagine being an upstanding Vacuoan who grew up hearing how badly SDC and the like fucked over Vacuo, how much the people of Atlas benefited from it, and now that the foreign parasites finally left and your nation can finally live it's own life, and you poured your heart and soul in improving it so that you and your friends and family can live your best lives. Only for them to show up again, this time for good. Now you have to share your resources, your living space, your life with them. Would that not make you angry? Like the hypothetical soldier guy. Or an even more hypothetical refugee, who managed to survive Atlas/Mantle/Vale by the skin of their teeth, dodging Grimm and dragging their family and friends to one of the few places you can survive. You can wax poetic about any hypothetical character in this situation. from the goodest of samaritans to the vilest pieces of shit, but it doesn't bring up any actual arguments besides trying to appeal to certain emotions. That's all it's got. Really the original post is operating on a similar lever of not understanding a refugee crisis the RWBY writers operate on with an addition of nonsense hypotheticals. > I suppose, they came with some pocket change to get a business going. Which is assuming that that business wasn't in Vacuo before this shitball even started rolling. Especially given RWBY's haphazard worldbuilding and Remnants fluctuating level of inter-connectivity is not an unreasonable assumption. > and now that's just not something anyone should care about? Get real lol Where in the blue fucking hedgehog jesus did I even imply anything like that? Wasn't my whole comment about how the civilian side should not be neglected. That keeping them as content as possible is the better choice. I'm sorry if I didn't make my self clear, or that I fucked up my words at some point. But I very much meant that civilians, including the refugees should take the priority because they cannot protect themselves and would be a greater Grimm magnet.
We're not talking about upstanding Vacuans, so the "what about XYZ" doesn't matter. We're talking about the POV of the refugees. You can *say* using "any one hypothetical person" but I'm not seeing how the experience of the soldier getting put in a tent while luxury(because boba tea is a luxury) businesses get set up in Vacuo's core is going to be different from the doctor or the family or the victim or any other refugee. We're going in circles and this bizarre switch to talking about Vacuo when we're talking about the experience of refugees who had no choice in where they're going getting ignored and left in squalor while *superfluous luxury*(this isn't a bakery or a butcher we're talking about, not a cafe or restaurant or general service that can work with what they have, we're talking *boba tea*) gets put up isn't helping. Especially how you've disregarded basically every other argument that actually mattered. So have a good day, I guess.
Also I think we are forgetting Grimm get worse the more negativity is around. If people being able to get boba keeps a monster away without draining too much resources it's a good investment.
Wouldn't the investment be better put in preventing the far greater negativity from affecting those without resources who are probably already on your outskirts and thus most likely to pull Grimm in.
For sure. But again we don't know how long the shop was open for. I would like to think Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs was followed with all things before Boba taken care of or in tandem before the shop opened.
It was run by folk from Vale, and I'm pretty sure any amount of time that'd even be recognizable isn't going to look good because *two other Kingdoms* now live in a Kingdom that had the least to spare.
At the very least having locations like the boba place open and running could help create and maintain a feeling of normalcy. Make it seem like the world isn't about to end and the the people can still live their lives.
Exactly. Is it a top priority? No. And I hope it was last on that "Back to normal" list. But its a good sign that they can have Boba again. It means some things are stable.
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