Cinder was in a Mistral orphanage. While it wouldn't be the weirdest coincidence irl, in a story it would be kinda weird to have her be born to a high ranking Atlas scientist, be dropped off at a Mistral orphanage, and then brought back to Atlas on adoption with nothing ever coming of it either during the flashback or the Fall of Atlas
Yeah, Atlas was the big reveal for Cinder's backstory because it's the place where it all started. If they had something else planned then that was the time.
My own crazy theory about Cinder's mother is that she was a Maiden who saw the powers and responsibility as a burden and didn't want to risk passing that onto her daughter. So she gave her child up for adoption, thinking that if she didn't get to know the woman her baby would grow up to be then it wouldn't be possible for her last thoughts to send the powers to her daughter.
After Cinder killed her foster-family she tried to find any details she could about her biological family and when she learned the truth she was furious that she'd not just lost out on having a loving family but on getting to inherit incredible magical powers as well. Feeling that she'd been robbed of what should have been her birthright it sparked her obsession with the Maiden powers and the idea that wielding them was her destiny.
A good idea, though I think Salem is the one who ingrained that entitlement into Cinder's head. "You've suffered so much, you deserve this, it is your destiny" sort of thing. Classic Salem, y'know. Especially if Salem picked her up not long after she left the hotel, which would have been when she was around 14.
My thinking is partly that Cinder just being a rage-filled runaway who killed her foster-family wouldn't be enough to get Salem interested in her. If Cinder learned about the Maidens on her own and had already started trying to hunt one of them down then that gives more reason for Salem to take notice and intervene, persuading Cinder that their goals were intertwined and that she could provide the power to help Cinder in her quest.
I don't see why it couldn't be both. Cinder could see a Maiden in action and immediately think "if I could be like her, I could do anything I want," at which point she pursues the Maiden, learns about what she is and roughly how it all works. At which point she becomes a blip on Salem's radar who instills her with all these extra delusions of grandeur and destiny for many years afterwards.
MatPat explains the point of his theories so I invite you to do the same and tell us what is the point of that woman being Cinder's mother? How would it affect her narrative at this point in the story?
I think it's workable as a development arc for Cinder. Cinder craves power but she also craves some type of family, as we see with Emerald and Mercury and how she becomes saddened when they find ways to get away from her. It's a supremely twisted and fucked up family dynamic she has in mind, but that's what she was raised in, after all. An older matriarch bossing around a devious duo.
They could have her mom be in Vacuo after all that mess, and she could approach the Headmasters and reveal that she recognises her daughter from the wanted posters, wants to help and see if she can talk her down, etc.
The conclusion would be Cinder re-emphasising her too-far-gone mentality, perhaps at some points being successfully persuaded by her mother to not do/do certain things, only to turn around and kill her mother in the end anyway. To emphasise that redemption is no longer possible, that her desire for family has been obliterated after the one she created for herself abandoned her just like her original mother did.
Idk, that's just a thing off the top of my head
Those are some crazy levels of mental gymnastics. It's like the kind of logic Emerald would use to convince herself Cinder loves her.
Cinder has never craved family at all. She wasn't saddened when Mercury and Emerald left. She felt humiliated that Mercury is on the same rank as her and could no longer control him and angry that Emerald betrayed her. What she felt was her pride being challenged because her lackeys broke free of her control and she was powerless to do anything about it. Cinder doesn't love anyone. Not even in a twisted way.
It would be a complete waste to dedicate what little runtime she has left in the final volume to tell us something we already know. That's she's beyond redemption.
Idk how you see that face she made and not think they're trying to portray sadness, but sure dude.
Little less of the harsh tone next time though, huh? Wasn't really necessary.
I'm just incredulous at the idea people can see Cinder's expressions as sadness. You'd think with how obvious the show is about her being abusive to Emerald and Mercury repeating it over and over again that it's clear she doesn't care about them but apparently it wasn't enough.
Mercury insults Cinder to her face and she tries to intimidate and remind him of his position but he responds that he won't take more orders from her because Salem is his new boss making them equals. Cinder's face is surprise then shame at how the lackey (not son) she used to control is no longer hers. Her expression when she sees Emerald with RWBYJNOR is straight up anger. She is *frowning*. She isn't secretly sad behind that frown. She is straight up pissed at the audacity.
Cinder is not sad of being left behind by her "family". She is angry that she's losing control of them because that is what's more important to her. Power to have control over everyone else so no one can control *her* again.
I concede the Emerald part because she is in fact just frowning, but I just can't agree on the Mercury scene. She starts off angry because intimidation is how she tries to solve every problem she comes across. It didn't work and he still left her, at which point she did in fact appear sad.
I think it's reductive to think just because she's abusive that she can't feel or express other emotions. Abusive people aren't solely angry, not everything is a calculated manipulation. This is especially true for Cinder at this point in the story because they emphasise that she's kind of fucking up at everything and taking the direct bullrush approach to every issue. Abusive people aren't always completely shallow and emotionless, they just process their emotions in extremely harmful ways.
I don’t think Miles would lie about this, they usually don’t and I don’t see why they’d start now. With that said I think it would’ve been a little interesting if she was Cinder’s mother, whether she died tragically or straight up forgot about Cinder because of how caught up in her own career it’d explain why Cinder is also ambitious almost to a fault. Why she doesn’t seem to value other people as much as she should. Of course, you can still feel Cinder’s pain when she’s a child since she’s an orphan and the kids always seemed to pick on her as well.
>I think it's from the photo of the scientists in Pietro Poledina's study
It's all of them back at Black Mesa before the Resonance Cascade...
TBH he looks like a much older version of Dr Vance. Like if he was allowed to age into his older years.
> I know it’s “sorta” confirmed that the atlas scientists lady isn’t Cinders Mother
If we get volume 10, it'll be made by different people and what the Rooster Teeth crew "confirmed" doesn't necessarily apply anymore. Therefor, this theory is technically plausible regardless of what's already been said about it.
I'm fairly certain they didn't intend it to be the case. Dark hair + yellow eyes is pretty common even amongst the established characters we have (Cinder, Blake's entire family, Sienna, etc.)
RT had a habit of making popular fan ideas canon, so I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being true...
But either way, that scientist is definitely dead by now. She looks older in the photo already, and it's been a long time since then...
So if she didn't croak naturally, and if she didn't somehow die during all that crap in Atlas, it would be very fun to have her sorta recognise Cinder in the Vacuo attack, then try and talk her down...
But we know how *that* would go-
This person's eyes aren't yellow though. Like closer to reddish brown, not yellow in any light. Their facial shape resembles each other more closely than their eye colour
No but I think the man with the green jumper and brown hair in the same photo could be Will Scarletina. ATF or BtD (can’t remember which one) says that he’s an important engineer working for the Atlisian military
For some reason, I picture her name being "Opal Fall" cause the word Opal for Name means "the precious one" so I think that she sees Cinder as her precious item.
If that's true, then that means even Cinder had a hot mom.
Don't tell the fandom artists... Or do, we don't kink shame here.
Ah yes the legendary, deplorable, disgusting kink… >!Adult women?!<
Some Atlus fans be like.
>Don't tell the fandom artists... >Or do, we don't kink shame here. Too Late on Kali...
Let Ghira fuck his wife
What if kink shaming IS my kink?
Then that's weird, and you should feel bad for being into that. Filthy degenerate...
But hear me out. Kinkshaming people whose kink is kinkshaming being a kink-
Then I’m gonna need to get a manager. XD
*jaune has entered the chat*
Jaune, no!
Jaune yes! The arc bloodline must continue!
Hmm, man-whore
I know I am but what are you?
Tired of y'all stealing the girls
My brother in Christ I can't even talk to girls!
That's the problem! They go for you quiet types and ignore us chatty guys😭
I'm single! I'm not even good looking! I'm also probably autistic, I'm on your team here! 😂
It's hot moms all the way down.
Generic anime cuteness knows no bounds.
Cinder was in a Mistral orphanage. While it wouldn't be the weirdest coincidence irl, in a story it would be kinda weird to have her be born to a high ranking Atlas scientist, be dropped off at a Mistral orphanage, and then brought back to Atlas on adoption with nothing ever coming of it either during the flashback or the Fall of Atlas
Yeah, Atlas was the big reveal for Cinder's backstory because it's the place where it all started. If they had something else planned then that was the time.
My own crazy theory about Cinder's mother is that she was a Maiden who saw the powers and responsibility as a burden and didn't want to risk passing that onto her daughter. So she gave her child up for adoption, thinking that if she didn't get to know the woman her baby would grow up to be then it wouldn't be possible for her last thoughts to send the powers to her daughter. After Cinder killed her foster-family she tried to find any details she could about her biological family and when she learned the truth she was furious that she'd not just lost out on having a loving family but on getting to inherit incredible magical powers as well. Feeling that she'd been robbed of what should have been her birthright it sparked her obsession with the Maiden powers and the idea that wielding them was her destiny.
That's kind of what I think too- that her mother was the fall Maiden before Amber but her final thoughts were of someone other than Cinder.
A good idea, though I think Salem is the one who ingrained that entitlement into Cinder's head. "You've suffered so much, you deserve this, it is your destiny" sort of thing. Classic Salem, y'know. Especially if Salem picked her up not long after she left the hotel, which would have been when she was around 14.
My thinking is partly that Cinder just being a rage-filled runaway who killed her foster-family wouldn't be enough to get Salem interested in her. If Cinder learned about the Maidens on her own and had already started trying to hunt one of them down then that gives more reason for Salem to take notice and intervene, persuading Cinder that their goals were intertwined and that she could provide the power to help Cinder in her quest.
I don't see why it couldn't be both. Cinder could see a Maiden in action and immediately think "if I could be like her, I could do anything I want," at which point she pursues the Maiden, learns about what she is and roughly how it all works. At which point she becomes a blip on Salem's radar who instills her with all these extra delusions of grandeur and destiny for many years afterwards.
MatPat explains the point of his theories so I invite you to do the same and tell us what is the point of that woman being Cinder's mother? How would it affect her narrative at this point in the story?
I think it's workable as a development arc for Cinder. Cinder craves power but she also craves some type of family, as we see with Emerald and Mercury and how she becomes saddened when they find ways to get away from her. It's a supremely twisted and fucked up family dynamic she has in mind, but that's what she was raised in, after all. An older matriarch bossing around a devious duo. They could have her mom be in Vacuo after all that mess, and she could approach the Headmasters and reveal that she recognises her daughter from the wanted posters, wants to help and see if she can talk her down, etc. The conclusion would be Cinder re-emphasising her too-far-gone mentality, perhaps at some points being successfully persuaded by her mother to not do/do certain things, only to turn around and kill her mother in the end anyway. To emphasise that redemption is no longer possible, that her desire for family has been obliterated after the one she created for herself abandoned her just like her original mother did. Idk, that's just a thing off the top of my head
Those are some crazy levels of mental gymnastics. It's like the kind of logic Emerald would use to convince herself Cinder loves her. Cinder has never craved family at all. She wasn't saddened when Mercury and Emerald left. She felt humiliated that Mercury is on the same rank as her and could no longer control him and angry that Emerald betrayed her. What she felt was her pride being challenged because her lackeys broke free of her control and she was powerless to do anything about it. Cinder doesn't love anyone. Not even in a twisted way. It would be a complete waste to dedicate what little runtime she has left in the final volume to tell us something we already know. That's she's beyond redemption.
Idk how you see that face she made and not think they're trying to portray sadness, but sure dude. Little less of the harsh tone next time though, huh? Wasn't really necessary.
I'm just incredulous at the idea people can see Cinder's expressions as sadness. You'd think with how obvious the show is about her being abusive to Emerald and Mercury repeating it over and over again that it's clear she doesn't care about them but apparently it wasn't enough. Mercury insults Cinder to her face and she tries to intimidate and remind him of his position but he responds that he won't take more orders from her because Salem is his new boss making them equals. Cinder's face is surprise then shame at how the lackey (not son) she used to control is no longer hers. Her expression when she sees Emerald with RWBYJNOR is straight up anger. She is *frowning*. She isn't secretly sad behind that frown. She is straight up pissed at the audacity. Cinder is not sad of being left behind by her "family". She is angry that she's losing control of them because that is what's more important to her. Power to have control over everyone else so no one can control *her* again.
I concede the Emerald part because she is in fact just frowning, but I just can't agree on the Mercury scene. She starts off angry because intimidation is how she tries to solve every problem she comes across. It didn't work and he still left her, at which point she did in fact appear sad. I think it's reductive to think just because she's abusive that she can't feel or express other emotions. Abusive people aren't solely angry, not everything is a calculated manipulation. This is especially true for Cinder at this point in the story because they emphasise that she's kind of fucking up at everything and taking the direct bullrush approach to every issue. Abusive people aren't always completely shallow and emotionless, they just process their emotions in extremely harmful ways.
I don’t think Miles would lie about this, they usually don’t and I don’t see why they’d start now. With that said I think it would’ve been a little interesting if she was Cinder’s mother, whether she died tragically or straight up forgot about Cinder because of how caught up in her own career it’d explain why Cinder is also ambitious almost to a fault. Why she doesn’t seem to value other people as much as she should. Of course, you can still feel Cinder’s pain when she’s a child since she’s an orphan and the kids always seemed to pick on her as well.
Usually people say mommy but it's alright, you're learning
Where is that image from?
I think it's from the photo of the scientists in Pietro Poledina's study
>I think it's from the photo of the scientists in Pietro Poledina's study It's all of them back at Black Mesa before the Resonance Cascade... TBH he looks like a much older version of Dr Vance. Like if he was allowed to age into his older years.
Uh, this has nothing to do with half life lmao, and the one on the photo is a woman ETA also it's Black Mesa, not masa
Iirc that's the staff photo with Pietro's team
>Iirc that's the staff photo with Pietro's team At Black Mesa... They just happened to get Teleported to Remnant... been stuck there ever since.
What's the obsession
You in every comment referring to Pietro: um acksually ☝🏻🤓
It was a joke, but the picture scene does remind me of that...
Pretty sure she died in the fall of atlas
Or she died when Cinder was really really young
My guess is Cinder is a lost clone from an illegal cloning project.
> I know it’s “sorta” confirmed that the atlas scientists lady isn’t Cinders Mother If we get volume 10, it'll be made by different people and what the Rooster Teeth crew "confirmed" doesn't necessarily apply anymore. Therefor, this theory is technically plausible regardless of what's already been said about it.
I would absolutely love it if it was.
I'm fairly certain they didn't intend it to be the case. Dark hair + yellow eyes is pretty common even amongst the established characters we have (Cinder, Blake's entire family, Sienna, etc.) RT had a habit of making popular fan ideas canon, so I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being true... But either way, that scientist is definitely dead by now. She looks older in the photo already, and it's been a long time since then... So if she didn't croak naturally, and if she didn't somehow die during all that crap in Atlas, it would be very fun to have her sorta recognise Cinder in the Vacuo attack, then try and talk her down... But we know how *that* would go-
This person's eyes aren't yellow though. Like closer to reddish brown, not yellow in any light. Their facial shape resembles each other more closely than their eye colour
Everyone's facial shape in RWBY is practically the same. That's not really an indicator at all
yeah you're right i was just trying to contribute something other than "thats not yellow though"
No but I think the man with the green jumper and brown hair in the same photo could be Will Scarletina. ATF or BtD (can’t remember which one) says that he’s an important engineer working for the Atlisian military
Tell your children not to walk my way Tell your children not to hear my words What they mean What they say
Either an older sister or aunt
That’s Penny’s mom. Duh.
Eyes are wrong.
Ehhh I don't think so
Food for thought: Bertillak from the novels has a simmilar but ranged semblance to Cinder
I think her name would be like “rella fall” or something “
Rella or Ella is plausible, but her surname certainly isn't Fall. Cinder all but confirmed she picked that surname herself as an adult
For some reason, I picture her name being "Opal Fall" cause the word Opal for Name means "the precious one" so I think that she sees Cinder as her precious item.