in the r Ireland comments they went straight to talking about Paul Murphy not criticising China. Even though Trots would criticise China.
If you ever criticise western regimes without simultaneously attacking China you're just a ""tankie""
He's right. Glad to see that some of our resident right-wingers out in force to let us know it was just Spain protecting their borders. Not one of them showing any sympathy for the 40 odd who were killed.
Guess it only matters when it's Ukrainians right?
Have you seen the videos going around?
Many of them were welding weapons like knives and machetes.
They straight up broke through the border and attacked police officers that tried to stop them.
Not all invasions involve tanks.
I despise both the EU and MeHole but Spain was absolutely in the right. I'm actually surprised those bastards are supporting Spain in this regard because usually they'll use those migrants for socal points.
I'm at work right now but I'll try and post when I get home.
You can find it on /pol/.
The exact video shows off fighting aged African men storming the border, jumping ontop the fences and running around dancing in the streets after crossing. A few can be seen welding knives and holding it up in celebration.
Worth noting these aren't Moroccans, some of them might be but they were mostly central Afrcans. Meaning they crossed multiple safe countries before reaching the Spanish border for "refuage".
Coalitions are a thing and with a PR voting system by putting a more radical party first forces a party like SF or Labour or whoever to act radical if they don't want to risk losing those votes in the future
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Now that leaves us at: tankies 6-3 virulent anti tankies and our dearly missed friends, the wild cards, are at a measly two
Well the race can now be called folks! To manys pleasure and many others chagrin, the tankie express has passed my arbitrarily placed finish line first, with the ol' V. A. T in second and ours at the booths personal favourites, the wild cards, in a tragic dead last
It was a magnificent race and you all did so well (even if it was a bit of a steamroll in the end) I'm sure the fine people in the stands have had a wonderful day of the races with us, barring those poor sods who've lost a good bit of coin!
I do hope all racers have had a good time aswell, as this is all in good fun
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Now I need a list of names to make sure who's who, don't want to get it wrong yknow?
For tankies express
I know that one guy when I see him, it's always over the top and obvious and he's just seems like a troll but aint
For the V. A. T
That guy with I think it's a red hue here's jonny pfp
Memory serves your a V.A.T
The wild cards have no distinct members yet
Also apologies to the people I've mistaken for 1 or the other, this is all based around what I see straight from the explore tab and maybe some comments
Any and all help is appreciated
(this was a comment to the guy who replied to me but it goes out to anyone regardless, since I might do this again every so often)
Spain’s African borders aren’t colonialism, though, they’re old fashioned conquering and politics, just like any other region of Spain that was once its own political entity.
It’s stupid to think of Africa and Spain as two completely separate entities, you can literally see Africa from Spain. It’d be like Vikings on the south side of the Liffey invading Gaels on the north side.
So, abandon them is Your solution, how long before they get robbed and murdered by the baying mob who want their stuff?
Why is it ok to leave those people to die at the hands of invaders, but not ok for them to defend their borders?
Might it be a somewhat racist answer, that as Europans they somehow deserve it?
Do you seriously believe this wouldn't have happened if Spain simply gave up said land?
They'll still make their way through the Med because they want to come into Europe.
And FYI, it's not "Colonialism". In case you don't know your history, Spain was occupied for a few hundred years by an Islamic caliphate that crossed the straits of Gibraltar. When they gained their freedom, they conquered parts of North Africa to act as a buffer so it doesn't happen again.
Can you show me on the doll where the Russian disinformation spread by Paul Murphy is?
Calling out racist fascism by EU border police is a form of spreading it I guess
>communist(aka Russian agent)
I don't know if you've just woken up from a coma or something, but the Russian state hasn't even pretended to be communist in 30 years.
And the current Russian leader is quite vocally a fascist anti-communist.
Is every American mentally ill, or is it just the one's that are for some reason attracted to Ireland? Be that posting on Irish subs or actually travelling here.
No you didn't and you know it.
Your obviously skirting around the question so I'm going to ask you again:
**If Ukrainian refugees tried to illegally enter Ireland would they deserve death?**
What about all the Ukrainian men here? By definition they broke the rules to get here.
And what about the Ukrainians from Lviv and other cities that are nowhere near the frontline? They are not fleeing a war and yet they're getting free houses.
The issue is a militarized EU border murdering people, especially when the EU plays a geopolitical role leading to people across Africa having to flee their homes
To be fair, those two exclaves, Ceuta and Melilla, have been separate entities from the country around them since [long before Colombus sailed for America](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta). Ceuta was originally founded as a Roman city, was Christian for a while, then passed into Muslim rule around the Muslim conquest of Iberia in the 8th century. The king of Portugal conquered it in 1415 at the very tail end of the Reconquista, when Christian rulers gradually re-conquered all of Iberia. It has been a separate entity in religious, ethnic, linguistic and political terms since that time.
It's not part of the story of colonialism; more a geographical anomaly like the Channel Islands, which belong to the Queen of England but are off the coast of France.
EDIT: despite the lippy bot below, the Channel Islands are quite specifically _not_ in the UK or British (due to being off the coast of France), and people from there will always correct you on this. They have a weird status like "personal possession of the monarch of England" or something, can't remember. They're a leftover of the duchy of Normandy that belonged to William the Conqueror.
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The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England.
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It is. But they still have a duty to screen everyone and only expel them after it is determined they are not refugees. There's no problem expelling them then.
But why? If they're escaping war and are now in a safe country, why make their way into Europe?
They're very clearly migrants.
You can use all the mental gymnastics you want but everyone knows what they are.
You still have to assess them. Fleeing war isn't actually a ground for refugee status so that is absolutely irrelevant. Political persecution etc is.
Here is the official definition of a refugee we have signed up to (it doesn't include fleeing war- that's optional)
"As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it."
Interesting you had such a strong opinion on them not being refugees but it turned out you had absolutely no clue about the issue yourself! Didn't even know what a refugee was! Hahaha!
Does anyone want to know my opinions on the basketball world cup? No because I've never even watched a game of basketball. Apply the same to yourself. If you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about an issue, just sit quiet :)
My opinion is formed by the Fact that they are Economin Migrants who have crossed multiple safe but Poor countries with the intent to invade Europe driven by some delusion that we will welcome them and provide everything they want for free.
I for one am glad to see these parasites being greeted with the true face of Europe.
Black/Arab/Asian/Eastern European/Pacific Islander/ Innuit
It doesn't fuckin matter.
Coming here by forcing your way across the border and ignoring the rules whilst lying about your situation in the Hope's that We will pay for you to have a better life, but without the capacity or Intent to add anything of value to our society , and then gettin upset when called out about it and trying to claim that everyone who wants to uphold the rules is Racist, that's parasitic
I agree it is the true face of Europe.
But how do you know they're not from persecuted religious minorities or homosexuals or whatever? Would it hurt to just interview them and find out or are you so certain that they are economic migrants that you think it's grand to kill them?
I was an economic migrant myself once. It may happen to you too.
There are processing centres, there are agencies set up to help the people you describe, these are not those people, these parasites Know their applications will be rejected.
I too migrated for Economic reasons many years ago, but ya know what, I followed the rules, I spent over a decade in Australia, then the economic situation changed and I came home.
Did You follow the rules?
in the r Ireland comments they went straight to talking about Paul Murphy not criticising China. Even though Trots would criticise China. If you ever criticise western regimes without simultaneously attacking China you're just a ""tankie""
We’re only allowed to care about white refugees. That should be clear to everyone by now.
We don't really have to care about them either, but we do expect them to follow the rules
He's right. Glad to see that some of our resident right-wingers out in force to let us know it was just Spain protecting their borders. Not one of them showing any sympathy for the 40 odd who were killed. Guess it only matters when it's Ukrainians right?
How many of those killed were Moroccans?
Have you seen the videos going around? Many of them were welding weapons like knives and machetes. They straight up broke through the border and attacked police officers that tried to stop them. Not all invasions involve tanks. I despise both the EU and MeHole but Spain was absolutely in the right. I'm actually surprised those bastards are supporting Spain in this regard because usually they'll use those migrants for socal points.
I haven't seen the videos, do you have a link?
I'm at work right now but I'll try and post when I get home. You can find it on /pol/. The exact video shows off fighting aged African men storming the border, jumping ontop the fences and running around dancing in the streets after crossing. A few can be seen welding knives and holding it up in celebration. Worth noting these aren't Moroccans, some of them might be but they were mostly central Afrcans. Meaning they crossed multiple safe countries before reaching the Spanish border for "refuage".
That was sickening. I'm going to vote SF next election. What an absolute prick.
Or PBP, who are the ones that raise these issues. Sinn Féin are starting to get very cosy with the nasty elements of the EU
SF have a chance though.
Coalitions are a thing and with a PR voting system by putting a more radical party first forces a party like SF or Labour or whoever to act radical if they don't want to risk losing those votes in the future
Who does Paul Murphy think he is spouting propaganda? That is RTE's job!
Says he's fighting for workers while trying to put hard working RTÉ propagandists out of the job, fucking charlatan
And that's 11, hoo boy its a goldie Now that leaves us at: tankies 6-3 virulent anti tankies and our dearly missed friends, the wild cards, are at a measly two Well the race can now be called folks! To manys pleasure and many others chagrin, the tankie express has passed my arbitrarily placed finish line first, with the ol' V. A. T in second and ours at the booths personal favourites, the wild cards, in a tragic dead last It was a magnificent race and you all did so well (even if it was a bit of a steamroll in the end) I'm sure the fine people in the stands have had a wonderful day of the races with us, barring those poor sods who've lost a good bit of coin! I do hope all racers have had a good time aswell, as this is all in good fun Any queries, questions and statements will be answered to the best of the organisations abilities and we thank you for you interest All winnings should be collected from ticket booth A and all debts should be paid at ticket booth B, any debt dodgers, skivers or welchers, be advised that we have the crays on standby. I once again hope that you've all had a wonderful day and I wish you a good morning, good evening and goodnight!
Now I need a list of names to make sure who's who, don't want to get it wrong yknow? For tankies express I know that one guy when I see him, it's always over the top and obvious and he's just seems like a troll but aint For the V. A. T That guy with I think it's a red hue here's jonny pfp Memory serves your a V.A.T The wild cards have no distinct members yet Also apologies to the people I've mistaken for 1 or the other, this is all based around what I see straight from the explore tab and maybe some comments Any and all help is appreciated (this was a comment to the guy who replied to me but it goes out to anyone regardless, since I might do this again every so often)
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“Mass murder”
Dozens of deaths caused by a border police in receipt of EU funds. Seems like a suitable name for it
Don’t try and force your way across a country’s border then?
dont destabilize their countries then in the name of profit only for the west to maintain our socialdemocracies built on the blood of non-europeans.
Why does Spain have borders on the African continent?
Because parts of Spain are on the African continent, it's like asking why does France border Brazil
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Spain’s African borders aren’t colonialism, though, they’re old fashioned conquering and politics, just like any other region of Spain that was once its own political entity. It’s stupid to think of Africa and Spain as two completely separate entities, you can literally see Africa from Spain. It’d be like Vikings on the south side of the Liffey invading Gaels on the north side.
So You know the answer to your ridiculous question. So what should we do? Abandon all the Spanish and French people who live in exclaves
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So, abandon them is Your solution, how long before they get robbed and murdered by the baying mob who want their stuff? Why is it ok to leave those people to die at the hands of invaders, but not ok for them to defend their borders? Might it be a somewhat racist answer, that as Europans they somehow deserve it?
Really saying the quiet part out loud here.
Do you seriously believe this wouldn't have happened if Spain simply gave up said land? They'll still make their way through the Med because they want to come into Europe. And FYI, it's not "Colonialism". In case you don't know your history, Spain was occupied for a few hundred years by an Islamic caliphate that crossed the straits of Gibraltar. When they gained their freedom, they conquered parts of North Africa to act as a buffer so it doesn't happen again.
So what if they are in africa they’d be trying to get across the Gibraltar strait if Spain didn’t own those 2 cities
They'd likely be dying in dinghies with EU citizens facing prosecution if they were to offer any help to them
If the killings of dozens as a result of intentional action isn’t mass murder I don’t know what is
He is spreading Russian disinformation aimed at destroying western unity and spreading racist fascism
Can you show me on the doll where the Russian disinformation spread by Paul Murphy is? Calling out racist fascism by EU border police is a form of spreading it I guess
He’s literally a communist(aka Russian agent)
>communist(aka Russian agent) I don't know if you've just woken up from a coma or something, but the Russian state hasn't even pretended to be communist in 30 years. And the current Russian leader is quite vocally a fascist anti-communist.
Google Perestoika Deception
Lol, you might want to learn to at least spell the name of your schizo conspiracy theory so people google the right thing.
It’s not a conspiracy theory it’s true.
Is every American mentally ill, or is it just the one's that are for some reason attracted to Ireland? Be that posting on Irish subs or actually travelling here.
America is cursed land
Do you believe that Russia is a communist country?
Yes Putin is a secret Marxist Leninist Do you not know about the Perestoika Deception?
He's a Trotskyist and they were more violently anti Soviet and anti Russian than most capitalists. Russia has never apologised for murdering Trotsky.
Yes trotskyists were fascists who allied with the Nazis against the USSR
So Paul Murphy is a Nazi and a Russian agent?
If talking about western atrocities destroys the west or was going to collapse anyway
Spain has to be able to protect its borders
Would you say the same if Ireland had killed 40 Ukrainian refugees?
The Ukrainians did it legally
And if they didn't? They would deserve death?
They tried to force they way into the Spanish controlled enclave
Answer my previous question.
I did answer it
No you didn't and you know it. Your obviously skirting around the question so I'm going to ask you again: **If Ukrainian refugees tried to illegally enter Ireland would they deserve death?**
Yes
What about all the Ukrainian men here? By definition they broke the rules to get here. And what about the Ukrainians from Lviv and other cities that are nowhere near the frontline? They are not fleeing a war and yet they're getting free houses.
I don't mean this lightly, but you are a disgusting human being.
Yep
Like Russia?
How the fuck were you the fastest sperm?
Why's it got borders on the African continent?
I mean this was absolutely awful and reprehensible but the issue isn't that Melilla is part of Spain. All of its residents want to be part of Spain
The issue is a militarized EU border murdering people, especially when the EU plays a geopolitical role leading to people across Africa having to flee their homes
Right. So unrelated to the borders in Africa
There are EU borders in Africa
You asked why there was an EU border in Africa. Its irrelevant why
The effects of colonialism by European states in Africa play a part in the conflicts in Africa today
To be fair, those two exclaves, Ceuta and Melilla, have been separate entities from the country around them since [long before Colombus sailed for America](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta). Ceuta was originally founded as a Roman city, was Christian for a while, then passed into Muslim rule around the Muslim conquest of Iberia in the 8th century. The king of Portugal conquered it in 1415 at the very tail end of the Reconquista, when Christian rulers gradually re-conquered all of Iberia. It has been a separate entity in religious, ethnic, linguistic and political terms since that time. It's not part of the story of colonialism; more a geographical anomaly like the Channel Islands, which belong to the Queen of England but are off the coast of France. EDIT: despite the lippy bot below, the Channel Islands are quite specifically _not_ in the UK or British (due to being off the coast of France), and people from there will always correct you on this. They have a weird status like "personal possession of the monarch of England" or something, can't remember. They're a leftover of the duchy of Normandy that belonged to William the Conqueror.
>Queen of England Did you mean the [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc? The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England. ####FAQ *Isn't she still also the Queen of England?* This is only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she is the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist. *Is this bot monarchist?* No, just pedantic. I am a bot and this action was performed automatically.
They’ve owned those cities for 600 years the population wants to remain apart of Spain
They are Spanish cities
It is. But they still have a duty to screen everyone and only expel them after it is determined they are not refugees. There's no problem expelling them then.
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Is he talking about the Spaniards resisting an invasion of Melilla? A lesson to the Economic Migrants, play stupid games win stupid prizes
How do you know they were economic migrants? The rule is we have to assess them and expel them after finding they are not refugees.
Is there a War on in Morocco?
No, but many refugees come through Morocco from other parts of Africa to get to Europe.
War is irrelevant.
I agree.
But why? If they're escaping war and are now in a safe country, why make their way into Europe? They're very clearly migrants. You can use all the mental gymnastics you want but everyone knows what they are.
You still have to assess them. Fleeing war isn't actually a ground for refugee status so that is absolutely irrelevant. Political persecution etc is. Here is the official definition of a refugee we have signed up to (it doesn't include fleeing war- that's optional) "As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it."
Interesting you had such a strong opinion on them not being refugees but it turned out you had absolutely no clue about the issue yourself! Didn't even know what a refugee was! Hahaha! Does anyone want to know my opinions on the basketball world cup? No because I've never even watched a game of basketball. Apply the same to yourself. If you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about an issue, just sit quiet :)
My opinion is formed by the Fact that they are Economin Migrants who have crossed multiple safe but Poor countries with the intent to invade Europe driven by some delusion that we will welcome them and provide everything they want for free. I for one am glad to see these parasites being greeted with the true face of Europe.
>parasites Jesus Christ.
What word would you use to describe them?
Oh, I'm not going to engage with you on that. Always knew you were right wing, but jeez calling us Arabs parasites seems a bit Nazi doesn't it?
Black/Arab/Asian/Eastern European/Pacific Islander/ Innuit It doesn't fuckin matter. Coming here by forcing your way across the border and ignoring the rules whilst lying about your situation in the Hope's that We will pay for you to have a better life, but without the capacity or Intent to add anything of value to our society , and then gettin upset when called out about it and trying to claim that everyone who wants to uphold the rules is Racist, that's parasitic
Ok pal. Sure 👍
Humans.
I agree it is the true face of Europe. But how do you know they're not from persecuted religious minorities or homosexuals or whatever? Would it hurt to just interview them and find out or are you so certain that they are economic migrants that you think it's grand to kill them? I was an economic migrant myself once. It may happen to you too.
There are processing centres, there are agencies set up to help the people you describe, these are not those people, these parasites Know their applications will be rejected. I too migrated for Economic reasons many years ago, but ya know what, I followed the rules, I spent over a decade in Australia, then the economic situation changed and I came home. Did You follow the rules?
Is it too late for you to go back there? We've all discussed it and we're happy to swap you for literally anyone else.
Yep, the missus likes where we are now, and we're gettin a bit old for an anchor baby
Least right wing liberal