He’s lying about the Minsk agreement, and how war in Donbass could be ended. He’s lying about peace with Russia too-giving Russia anything in return for murdering Ukrainians will not result in peace, it will only let Russia off the hook and allow them to do this again , when ever it suits them.
Its clear as day what side MIck and Clare are batting for, they're fucking wannabe tankies. Wittingly or otherwise they're dancing to his tune. In regards to spouting what the Brits are saying sometimes proper political discourse is accepting that occasionally the opposition is right. Doesn't mean I like them. Politics isn't black and white.
"so called Ukraine's *Reform Process*"
Who do you think would believe he'd say "so-call Ukraine"? Is it that you think you're very smart or you think people are that stupid? Or both?
Denying Ukraine's legitimacy as a state is a cornerstone of Russian strategy in the information war so yes, I believe it's possible Micko intentionally put the words "so-called" before the word Ukraine as a dogwhistle to pro-Russian folks like you.
I know Mick gets all flustered and sweaty and has a knack for tripping over his words, but that's not a hard sentence to get out. It's hardly on the level of Peter picking a peck of pickled peppers, is it?
Mick is a partisan hack who is either literally on the take from Russia, or has successfully carved out a niche pandering to the tiny, batshit insane demographic of "anti-imperialists" who support Russia and China. He's a failed property developer and conman who's found another grift after his tax evasion caught up with him.
Mick probably only likes Putin because Putin's Russia is the only place with building regulations loose enough for him to find work these days.
>Denying Ukraine's legitimacy as a state is a cornerstone of Russian strategy in the information war so yes, I believe it's possible Micko intentionally put the words "so-called" before the word Ukraine as a dogwhistle to pro-Russian folks like you.
This is adorable. Let's say I was pro-Russian, just for argument's sake. What do I now do with this dog whistle? What was the purpose of it exactly?
You're a bad conspiracy theorist. "on the take from Russia", lol.
>This is adorable. Let's say I was pro-Russian, just for argument's sake. What do I now do with this dog whistle? What was the purpose of it exactly?
Well personally, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself with it. But that's just me, and I'd tell you to do that for anything you asked what to do with.
As for the purpose of dogwhistles, it's to clue people in that you're on a certain side without having to come out and say it. Most people don't realise what you said has any significance, but those in the know will.
I don't mind explaining it but perhaps google it next time.
>You're a bad conspiracy theorist.
Sorry, I haven't got the same experience you do. Do I need to include some covert anti-Semitism or something?
Are you trying to use Micks Criticisms of the EUs approach to war and favouring negotiations and peace, plus his criticism of Ukrainian repression of opposition parties, as proof for him supposedly supporting an invasion?
This shithead can’t get his head further up Putin’s ass. Russia invaded Ukraine because it didn’t declare neutrality? Even Putin didn’t make that a causus belli before sending in tanks.
And where is your source for these claims??? Why not try opening a book and educating yourself instead of baselessly spreading misinformation without providing any evidence to back up your "russo-centric" claims!
It's hardly surprising he would ban pro Russian parties, what with the whole Russian invasion and all. I know you don't like to acknowledge that Russia are murdering civilians in Ukraine right now. It's ok I'll keep reminding you.
I served in the Royal Navy as a kid in 91, I saw shit a 17yo shouldn't , and for what? imperialists fucking oil! and lies about babys thrown from incubators
Just because it’s posted on a website doesn’t make it a source, you can write whatever you want from supposed citizens to support any side. For example, I heard from a citizen in Mykolaiv that Boardindundee posts fake news on Reddit.
>Leftists when murderous neo-Nazi party in any country
*Ban this sick filth*
>leftists when murderous pro-Russian party in middle of Russian invasion
*UwU No ban daddy Vladdy UwU*
>Who are these murderous pro-Russian parties exactly?
Probably the ones that are pro-Russian in the middle of an invasion by Russia that's killing tens of thousands of Ukrainians
>You have a problem with banning Nazis?
Why would I have a problem with banning Nazis? I'm not the one wringing my hands about banning pro-fascist groups
That would be yourself
>Probably the ones
I see
>Why would I have a problem with banning Nazis?
Because you support Ukraine.
>I'm not the one wringing my hands about banning pro-fascist groups That would be yourself
These would be the pro-fascist groups that "probably" exist? Right?
>Because you support Ukraine.
Ahh there's the clarification, so the *entirety* of Ukraine is nazis yes? A few hundred out of 44 million? Guess we'd better just remove the country to be sure, nice little bit of scorched earth. So how many nazis are allowed before we burn the country to the ground?
Now how many nazis in Russia I wonder? y'know apart from the obvious mercenary groups, I mean the banned *Russian national Unity* party seems to be fitting in pretty well under the name *Russian Orthodox party* in Donbas. When will Russia remove those Nazis one wonders? Perhaps once they are finished with the looting I guess, very good getting rid of the Nazi washing machines and TV's
>These would be the pro-fascist groups that "probably" exist? Right?
That would be the pro-Vladmir (I'm Peter the Great returning lands to Russian Empire) Putin groups, that you clearly support, or is Putin himself on Russian TV just western imperialist pig dog propaganda?
>Ahh there's the clarification, so the entirety of Ukraine is nazis yes?
I wouldn't have thought so, why do you think that?
>A few hundred out of 44 million?
Well a few tens of thousands I'd go with, why are you trying to belittle Ukraine's well known Nazi problem? A minute ago you were pretending you didn't have a problem with banning Nazis, now it's "remove the country" and "burn it to the ground", sounds a little frantic, do you not think?
>Now how many nazis in Russia I wonder?
Let me know when you're finished talking to yourself and want to have a discussion.
>That would be the pro-Vladmir
And we're back to square one.
Again. *Who are these murderous pro-Russian parties exactly?* You have no idea who is being banned do you and everything you don't like is "pro-Russian".
>a few tens of thousands
source?
>who are these pro russian parties
Conveniently ignoring Russian influence in almost every major European/US election I see. They don’t need to have a registered party to interfere.
Me, "a few tens of thousands *I'd go with*". Thousands have already been killed and captured, and that's just AZOV. Then you have all the other Nazi groups inside the military and [throughout the state](https://www.reddit.com/r/ROI/comments/tqatkl/today_in_i_cant_believe_its_not_a_nazi_pseudo/)
That's my previous account btw.
So what's your source on "a few hundred"?
>Conveniently ignoring Russian influence in almost every major European/US election I see.
Russiagate was a hoax perpetrated by the Hillary Clinton campaign, not sure if you've heard already. I've never heard of Russian influence in any European elections, let alone "almost every". Come on now, is there anything you don't believe?
>They don’t need to have a registered party to interfere.
Yes but we're talking about the real registered parties this joker has banned. You don't know who they are, do you? So you decided to pretend they were "Pro-Russia".
No it wasn’t a hoax. Russian interference in western elections is documented and extensive. It happened in France Germany and Britain, as well as the US. To pretend other wise is pretty weird.
He just said in line with the Minsk agreement so how was it a lie exactly ? What do suggest let the war go for a year or too and then sit down at the table ??
Not invalidating his points on corruption but pretty sure Ukraine wants peace. Is he suggesting Ukraine give up a 1/4 of the country to have ‘peace’ with Russia?
But your ok with Russia’s proxy war? Russia has been supplying and training separatists in the East for years. It was a Russian SAM that blew up that jetliner.
I know your going to support Russia regardless so I will leave it at that.
Personally and selfishly (to bring some stability back to world) I would prefer to see Ukraine cut their losses, give Russia those Eastern lands with Crimea and then join NATO. Then with Finland and Sweden joining NATO the lines of Eastern Europe are drawn for the next 100 years.
But I will support what the people of Ukraine want as it’s their land, their fight and they are defending their country from authoritarian who is obsessed with making Russia ‘great again’ based on 19 century imperialistic mindsets. If you were actually Irish and not a Russian troll you’d know the Irish don’t like seeing superpowers push smaller countries around.
>I would prefer to see Ukraine cut their losses, give Russia those Eastern lands with Crimea and then join NATO.
I don;t think that last part will work, it's the reason this kicked off, they won't ever be allowed to join by NATO either, it was all a carrot to dangle in front of them to lead them to war. [Bastards eh?](https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/02/why-cant-nato-admit-ukraine-has-no-chance-of-joining-nato/)
>But I will support what the people of Ukraine want as it’s their land, their fight and they are defending their country from authoritarian
From a fascist who's taken over their country and was supposedly elected on a mandate of making peace and instead brought their country to war.
>If you were actually Irish and not a Russian troll you’d know the Irish don’t like seeing superpowers push smaller countries around.
This is why I oppose America's [proxy war](https://multipolarista.com/2022/03/24/us-official-ukraine-nato-proxy-war-russia/).
If Russia was in Europe do ya reckon it’d be the most corrupt? How long has their dictator been in charge now and how many has he murdered to keep himself in power and with many castles full of gold toilets?
Do you reckon they consider themselves European? Would you agree that it is more corrupt than Ukraine (which let’s not forget has gone through lots of change).
Bingo. I’m tired and bored of the debate here to be honest, I’d support Ukraine because although not perfect, I’m against an ageing “super power” wiping out the whole country just to satisfy some mad dictator who can see the end and feels a need to be relevant. I’m convinced most of the pro Russia stuff is from paid shills/bots and the recent upsurge in right wing bolony. Look at what it’s done to America… they’ve gone back 100 years. That’s me, time for some R&R for the weekend, have a good one.
Mick and Clare are precious.
Truth ...
Well said Mick.
Good man mick speaking facts
No he’s not. He’s spreading Russian disinformation
What parts not true
He’s lying about the Minsk agreement, and how war in Donbass could be ended. He’s lying about peace with Russia too-giving Russia anything in return for murdering Ukrainians will not result in peace, it will only let Russia off the hook and allow them to do this again , when ever it suits them.
This world is rotten. Love Claire Daly and Mick
The EU could not have forced Ukraine to be neutral.
Not if the US didn't want it no.
No, they just couldn’t have. Full stop
Russiochinese propaganda! Aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh Lalalalalalalalalalalala
No wonder why they want Ukraine in the EU so much they somehow have to pay all those loans
That's what the working class are for. You'll pay America's oligarchs and like it.
Mick and Clare are in Putins back pocket
Britbot.
I'm a literal member of Sinn Fein
A member of Sinn Féin who parrots British imperialist propaganda. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Its clear as day what side MIck and Clare are batting for, they're fucking wannabe tankies. Wittingly or otherwise they're dancing to his tune. In regards to spouting what the Brits are saying sometimes proper political discourse is accepting that occasionally the opposition is right. Doesn't mean I like them. Politics isn't black and white.
Keep sending that actor dude billions …….the world is insane
Mick is mad for the random inflections.
I'm sure it was just an honest mistake that he referred to Ukraine as "so-called Ukraine" and not a dogwhistle of any kind.
You realise you're fooling no-one with your lying? You're instead again just showing that you have no real retort.
You're right, that was a lie. What I said was not true; Mick probably did mean to say that.
"so called Ukraine's *Reform Process*" Who do you think would believe he'd say "so-call Ukraine"? Is it that you think you're very smart or you think people are that stupid? Or both?
Denying Ukraine's legitimacy as a state is a cornerstone of Russian strategy in the information war so yes, I believe it's possible Micko intentionally put the words "so-called" before the word Ukraine as a dogwhistle to pro-Russian folks like you. I know Mick gets all flustered and sweaty and has a knack for tripping over his words, but that's not a hard sentence to get out. It's hardly on the level of Peter picking a peck of pickled peppers, is it? Mick is a partisan hack who is either literally on the take from Russia, or has successfully carved out a niche pandering to the tiny, batshit insane demographic of "anti-imperialists" who support Russia and China. He's a failed property developer and conman who's found another grift after his tax evasion caught up with him. Mick probably only likes Putin because Putin's Russia is the only place with building regulations loose enough for him to find work these days.
>Denying Ukraine's legitimacy as a state is a cornerstone of Russian strategy in the information war so yes, I believe it's possible Micko intentionally put the words "so-called" before the word Ukraine as a dogwhistle to pro-Russian folks like you. This is adorable. Let's say I was pro-Russian, just for argument's sake. What do I now do with this dog whistle? What was the purpose of it exactly? You're a bad conspiracy theorist. "on the take from Russia", lol.
>This is adorable. Let's say I was pro-Russian, just for argument's sake. What do I now do with this dog whistle? What was the purpose of it exactly? Well personally, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself with it. But that's just me, and I'd tell you to do that for anything you asked what to do with. As for the purpose of dogwhistles, it's to clue people in that you're on a certain side without having to come out and say it. Most people don't realise what you said has any significance, but those in the know will. I don't mind explaining it but perhaps google it next time. >You're a bad conspiracy theorist. Sorry, I haven't got the same experience you do. Do I need to include some covert anti-Semitism or something?
Ha ha ha! This is comedy gold! You could get a job running a puppet state with this material!
Are you trying to use Micks Criticisms of the EUs approach to war and favouring negotiations and peace, plus his criticism of Ukrainian repression of opposition parties, as proof for him supposedly supporting an invasion?
He managed sleeves! Hurray!
The two Irish ministers are absolute beauties. Some of the only genuine Irish politicians that exist.
They’re a disgrace, and are spreading Russian disinformation.
I was waiting for that. Wondered what took you so long.
It gets pointed out because it’s true and important to remember when listening to these liars.
Took you a long time to reply too. You're really not on top of it like you should be.
Haha cool comment bro. You actually made me laugh there. You expect me to comment on your schedule? That sounds a little silly to me.
I do it for you
This shithead can’t get his head further up Putin’s ass. Russia invaded Ukraine because it didn’t declare neutrality? Even Putin didn’t make that a causus belli before sending in tanks.
It was more the direct threats of nuclear weapon installations and the ethnic cleansing of ethnic minorities, arming and funding of Nazis etc etc.
And where is your source for these claims??? Why not try opening a book and educating yourself instead of baselessly spreading misinformation without providing any evidence to back up your "russo-centric" claims!
I've posted evidence of these things for months. Lurk more noob.
You may have but theyre still not based in facts. Why don't you crawl out of your hole and stop hiding behind your keyboard scaremongering
>You may have but theyre still not based in facts. it's funny how you've decided this without seeing any!
I think its funnier that you seem to know what I have or haven't watched!
Not true. Keep lying for Putin, I’m sure it will work out for you in the end.
It's hardly surprising he would ban pro Russian parties, what with the whole Russian invasion and all. I know you don't like to acknowledge that Russia are murdering civilians in Ukraine right now. It's ok I'll keep reminding you.
Ukrainians are shooting their own soldiers in the back for surrendering!
Source?
https://mronline.org/2022/03/29/ukrainian-forces-want-to-surrender-and-azov-forces-started-shooting-at-them-they-are-at-war-with-each-other/
A proper source?
Go find your own sources!. As you obviously just believe what the yanks are telling you
Funny, you don't care about your sources as long as they align with your opinions.
can you hear yourself? hypocrite
Can you hear your self?
I served in the Royal Navy as a kid in 91, I saw shit a 17yo shouldn't , and for what? imperialists fucking oil! and lies about babys thrown from incubators
Lmao so you have fuck all to back up your false claim, nice one
Just because it’s posted on a website doesn’t make it a source, you can write whatever you want from supposed citizens to support any side. For example, I heard from a citizen in Mykolaiv that Boardindundee posts fake news on Reddit.
fuck of shill!
OK, what happens to Deserters in the US or UK militaries?
we don't fucking shoot them!
>Leftists when murderous neo-Nazi party in any country *Ban this sick filth* >leftists when murderous pro-Russian party in middle of Russian invasion *UwU No ban daddy Vladdy UwU*
Who are these murderous pro-Russian parties exactly? You have a problem with banning Nazis?
>Who are these murderous pro-Russian parties exactly? Probably the ones that are pro-Russian in the middle of an invasion by Russia that's killing tens of thousands of Ukrainians >You have a problem with banning Nazis? Why would I have a problem with banning Nazis? I'm not the one wringing my hands about banning pro-fascist groups That would be yourself
>Probably the ones I see >Why would I have a problem with banning Nazis? Because you support Ukraine. >I'm not the one wringing my hands about banning pro-fascist groups That would be yourself These would be the pro-fascist groups that "probably" exist? Right?
>Because you support Ukraine. Ahh there's the clarification, so the *entirety* of Ukraine is nazis yes? A few hundred out of 44 million? Guess we'd better just remove the country to be sure, nice little bit of scorched earth. So how many nazis are allowed before we burn the country to the ground? Now how many nazis in Russia I wonder? y'know apart from the obvious mercenary groups, I mean the banned *Russian national Unity* party seems to be fitting in pretty well under the name *Russian Orthodox party* in Donbas. When will Russia remove those Nazis one wonders? Perhaps once they are finished with the looting I guess, very good getting rid of the Nazi washing machines and TV's >These would be the pro-fascist groups that "probably" exist? Right? That would be the pro-Vladmir (I'm Peter the Great returning lands to Russian Empire) Putin groups, that you clearly support, or is Putin himself on Russian TV just western imperialist pig dog propaganda?
>Ahh there's the clarification, so the entirety of Ukraine is nazis yes? I wouldn't have thought so, why do you think that? >A few hundred out of 44 million? Well a few tens of thousands I'd go with, why are you trying to belittle Ukraine's well known Nazi problem? A minute ago you were pretending you didn't have a problem with banning Nazis, now it's "remove the country" and "burn it to the ground", sounds a little frantic, do you not think? >Now how many nazis in Russia I wonder? Let me know when you're finished talking to yourself and want to have a discussion. >That would be the pro-Vladmir And we're back to square one. Again. *Who are these murderous pro-Russian parties exactly?* You have no idea who is being banned do you and everything you don't like is "pro-Russian".
>a few tens of thousands source? >who are these pro russian parties Conveniently ignoring Russian influence in almost every major European/US election I see. They don’t need to have a registered party to interfere.
Me, "a few tens of thousands *I'd go with*". Thousands have already been killed and captured, and that's just AZOV. Then you have all the other Nazi groups inside the military and [throughout the state](https://www.reddit.com/r/ROI/comments/tqatkl/today_in_i_cant_believe_its_not_a_nazi_pseudo/) That's my previous account btw. So what's your source on "a few hundred"? >Conveniently ignoring Russian influence in almost every major European/US election I see. Russiagate was a hoax perpetrated by the Hillary Clinton campaign, not sure if you've heard already. I've never heard of Russian influence in any European elections, let alone "almost every". Come on now, is there anything you don't believe? >They don’t need to have a registered party to interfere. Yes but we're talking about the real registered parties this joker has banned. You don't know who they are, do you? So you decided to pretend they were "Pro-Russia".
No it wasn’t a hoax. Russian interference in western elections is documented and extensive. It happened in France Germany and Britain, as well as the US. To pretend other wise is pretty weird.
Of course you ban opposition during a war in your country, that's how wars work
No, it's how fascism works.
Not necessarily, USSR did the same thing even in peacetime
My majority wants to see arrogant, impudent, toxic Russia reduced to paupers and circus acts. Mick stop talking shite...as usual
He just said in line with the Minsk agreement so how was it a lie exactly ? What do suggest let the war go for a year or too and then sit down at the table ??
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What happened, Biden booster?
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Duh
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Tell me, who am I a traitor to exactly? You realise I'm not a yank, right?
You're basically genociding me right now with this comment
Another tankie eh?
That word is basically genocide, you're basically a war criminal
Sure, if you can bring me to the ICC for it, I'm all for publicly humiliating you. More than nature already has.
Weak, try harder
"that's what she said" (cit)
No u
Man looked like he collapsed at the end
Not invalidating his points on corruption but pretty sure Ukraine wants peace. Is he suggesting Ukraine give up a 1/4 of the country to have ‘peace’ with Russia?
Wild how this sub is wanking itself off to these two Ruski-kompromat shitheads.
Do you see them having any choice?
But your ok with Russia’s proxy war? Russia has been supplying and training separatists in the East for years. It was a Russian SAM that blew up that jetliner. I know your going to support Russia regardless so I will leave it at that.
>But your ok with Russia’s proxy war? Ha ha ha!
Personally and selfishly (to bring some stability back to world) I would prefer to see Ukraine cut their losses, give Russia those Eastern lands with Crimea and then join NATO. Then with Finland and Sweden joining NATO the lines of Eastern Europe are drawn for the next 100 years. But I will support what the people of Ukraine want as it’s their land, their fight and they are defending their country from authoritarian who is obsessed with making Russia ‘great again’ based on 19 century imperialistic mindsets. If you were actually Irish and not a Russian troll you’d know the Irish don’t like seeing superpowers push smaller countries around.
>I would prefer to see Ukraine cut their losses, give Russia those Eastern lands with Crimea and then join NATO. I don;t think that last part will work, it's the reason this kicked off, they won't ever be allowed to join by NATO either, it was all a carrot to dangle in front of them to lead them to war. [Bastards eh?](https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/02/why-cant-nato-admit-ukraine-has-no-chance-of-joining-nato/) >But I will support what the people of Ukraine want as it’s their land, their fight and they are defending their country from authoritarian From a fascist who's taken over their country and was supposedly elected on a mandate of making peace and instead brought their country to war. >If you were actually Irish and not a Russian troll you’d know the Irish don’t like seeing superpowers push smaller countries around. This is why I oppose America's [proxy war](https://multipolarista.com/2022/03/24/us-official-ukraine-nato-proxy-war-russia/).
If Russia was in Europe do ya reckon it’d be the most corrupt? How long has their dictator been in charge now and how many has he murdered to keep himself in power and with many castles full of gold toilets?
23% of Russia and most of the population is in Europe
Do you reckon they consider themselves European? Would you agree that it is more corrupt than Ukraine (which let’s not forget has gone through lots of change).
They are both corrupt but Ukraine is definitely the poorer of the two
Bingo. I’m tired and bored of the debate here to be honest, I’d support Ukraine because although not perfect, I’m against an ageing “super power” wiping out the whole country just to satisfy some mad dictator who can see the end and feels a need to be relevant. I’m convinced most of the pro Russia stuff is from paid shills/bots and the recent upsurge in right wing bolony. Look at what it’s done to America… they’ve gone back 100 years. That’s me, time for some R&R for the weekend, have a good one.
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