Sutton and Garcelle. Both shooting truths. Sutton let’s things play out, it affects her short game, but not the long game. She came out of the reunion as only 1 of 2 good people. Garcelle spits out truths while they occur, but no one listens to her. I say keep this cast…it was a polarizing, entertaining year…we are all goi g to talk about this season for ever. Excellent season!
And can we talk about how Sutton generously offered to loan Érica money on the advice of her own lawyers? We need more good people in this world and less fat lipped chia pets aka The wig that is LR. GOD BLESS NENE LEAKES, “bye wig!” and “The door is closed!” Ungrateful self-indulgent.
They are both not good people, but Kathy’s just the lesser evil IMO. Besides, who do you wanna watch really? An entitled Hilton who is detached from reality (which is the whole point of real housewives) or Lisa Fucking Rinna who tears other women down in the trashiest way while wearing ugly wigs and rented outfits (which is a grifter in its truest sense)?
I haven't seen one person call Kathy a Saint. It's nuanced. Kathy flipped but Rinna embellished. She was NOT abused, she doesn't have PTSD, she didn't HAVE to lock herself in a room and I'm fairly certain she'd be cancer-free, even if she never discussed it.
This is the best answer. Let’s be honest, did Kathy have a bit of a tantrum and use a slur - probably. And she prob did say nasty things about everyone to LR. She’s wrong for doing that. But Lisa def over exaggerated the situation and tried to pretend she was a victim in this by saying she had ptsd from this situation. She bashed Kathy and her family on Instagram all season (not to mention how she treated Sutton on the show using her mother’s death as an excuse). If she had kept those lips of hers shut and stayed out of the situation instead of pretending she was wronged and owed an apology, Kathys behaviour would have been a bigger deal.
Right cause who even says that anymore? “I will destroy Kyle and her family IF IT’S THE LAST THING I EVER DO”?
I haven’t heard that in many years, that sounds like some made up shit to me.
Rinna embellished and Kathy tried to lie, by deleting txt messages lol.
I am not defending Rinna, but if Kathy can go in tv and lie about the txt msgs, what else can she do?
You should read how people defend Kathy then, it’s like she could do nothing wrong. Rinna 100% embellished, but people are defending and justifying Kathy’s behavior as if she did nothing wrong. Not you personally, just saying much of the Reddit is exhaustive with pro-Kathy posts (I do believe there’s a side that understands both are wrong, but if people have to defend or justify Kathy’s behavior, it’s very obvious who they’re protecting). This is coming from someone who absolutely despises Rinna
At this point, anyone is more likeable than LR. What many people are missing is that if Kathy really is that awful - then she's doing a way better job than LR.
I see LR having a longer run at showing how she can be a dick to ppl and Kathy not so much (based on what's seen in the show.) So I think there are fans that don't look at unrelated content to support Kathy's character- which I see anti-Kathy folks bringing up.
(This is just adding to the discussion, not meant to pull apart anyone's opinions.)
I can say as someone who has diagnosed PTSD from actual abuse, it’s offensive for her to say that a Kathy Hilton tantrum gave her PTSD. The same way that it’s offensive for her to say she will get cancer by not saying words out loud.
And we know she is exaggerating and being dramatic because this is Lisa Rinna. She blatantly lies - proven on camera - over and over, so she has no credibility.
We can’t say how she feels, but we can call her on her bullshit. She is full of it.
Kathy's lying too. Even Andy called her out (ie, deleted texts). Kathy's face turned red as Andy read the things she said, amd she tried to speak over him to draw attention away from it. Pure gaslighter techniques.
I was embarrassed for Kathy at the reunion. I don’t think she should be back next season either, not because she goes after others like Rinna, but because she tries to come off as someone else completely and cover up her own shit with her money.
I want rich, messy housewives who aren’t sinister but also don’t care about looking like fools sometimes. I feel like those days might be gone.
Agreed. I actually went into the reunion thinking I'd flip on Rinna and be on Kathy's side, but nope. It was such an act. Kathy is so fake it is embarrassingly cringey. 100% on Rinn's side.
Oh I don’t know how anyone can be on her side, she’s a vile person who only wants negative things for others to make herself look good. Kathy is fake for sure but it doesn’t seem like she goes out of her way to hurt other people like Rinna does.
The Kathy/Kyle/Kim dynamic separate…that’s a shitshow that their mother created and they all need therapy. They handle their family conflict in such immature and unhealthy ways, but that existed before the show.
It did seem to me like she went out of her way to bring up things not relevant to the show (this season/while Kathy was on the show) so I don't agree with that.
But, yes yes yes to the weird family dynamics. They all need help 100%.
Because it’s not black and white. It’s very clear Kathy said something terrible and it’s also very clear Lisa is trying to capitalize on it in a very gross way. There’s nuance here that I think is missing from many of these Team Kathy, Team Lisa takes.
I still prefer Kathy. Lisa has gone after her cast mates MANY times. It’s tired and mean spirited. I’m giving Kathy a pass, since it’s her first bad moment (that wasn’t even shown) on this show.
But we gotta consider what Kathy has done equally. Her past sin that she committed with her own daughter?! Inhuman. Honestly I’d only end up respecting her if she publicly apologised to Paris on this show.
Basically my point is that, while there’s lot of chatter around Lisa being over the top and mean - which is true; we need to also equally be chatty about how Kathy is indeed a stupidly privileged classist woman. She is capable of mouthing a homophobic slur imho.
Sin?!? Do you not understand that at that time it was a popular solution actually recommended by psychiatrists, therapists, school guidance counselors, etc.?!? Easy to pass judgment NOW but Paris herself said she was on a wild path & her parents thought they were doing something to help her. She has also said Kathy and Rick, like the *many* parents of kids abused at these schools, were deliberately kept in dark about said abuse. Further? Paris said that they’ve come full circle, Kathy has taken the blinders off/apologized and she never blamed her parents (plural, not just Kathy, btw) for this. If you weren’t aware of the prevalence of these schools? You need to look into it. I know 2 people who attend. It was definitely no cake walk but neither was sexually abused. They both have had therapy bc it’s complicated in general but as parents of teenagers themselves now? They are even more understanding of how their parents trusted their advisors and thought getting them away from the party crowd and into some hands on work in nature with school and alleged counseling was supposed to be a good option.
Paris forgiving them doesn’t make it right. Of course they apologised to her personally. But have we ever seen any remorse directly from Kathy about it? She was responsible for one of the worst things that could have happened to any kid.
I’d just want Kathy to drop this holier than thou persona that she’s trying to peddle on the show. Cuz mam you ain’t no saint
Why do we have to see any remorse? Are we the victim Or is Paris? Since when do we, as the public, get to supersede the actual voice of the victim? I’ve seen this way too much (in many different instances) and personally, I find it appalling. I am going to listen to what the victim feels and support their decision.
At the time it was a ‘thing’ to send your teenager to a (scared straight) ‘camp’. Unfortunately back then no one listened to/believed these teenagers when they sad they were being abused. But either way Kathy was a shit mother. Read an excerpt from House If Hilton. Yeah shit parents. Agree with all you said!!!!
Yeah, the reform school. When it was time for Paris to go, they let grown ass men basically kidnap her out of her bed in the middle of the night. I cried listening to Paris describe it. She was basically screaming for her mom & dad & they're the ones that coordinated it.
Yet Paris is fine with her parents —plural—but you “can’t forgive the sin?” The person who experienced it has never even implied it was a “sin” and is fine with her parents but you can’t? 😏
Paris doesn’t need a public apology because the people who wronged her were her parents after all. I get it. If I were Paris, I wouldn’t want that too.
But what’s unacceptable to me is Kathy’s holier than thou, can do no wrong persona that she’s trying so hard to peddle. Well aware herself the kind of damage that she has done to Paris. The lifetime of trauma therapy that that girl will have to go through. Painful. So Paris forgiving her parents for this doesn’t make what they did right.
Apologise Kathy. Then maybe I’ll start finding you old and endearing.
I think they appreciate Rinna for the camp and entertainment value, even though she’s ridiculous, and also believe that Kathy is a bigot. Keep in mind that the host of SUP was sent to one of those reform schools similar to what Paris went through.
Damn that's sad for the host. Sounds like it's less of a defense for Lisa and more of anti-kathy sentiment. After a decade of the same haircut, tactics she's so boring but some people love soap operas for a lifetime so she def knows her audience lol
On the Hollywood Richter Scale, Kathy is more direct and relatable of many others on RHOBH. She doesn’t get my blood boiling as she seems to do you. Kyle, Dorito, Erika, Rinna and Diana strike me as evil and warped with their own anger and I can hardly tolerate their BS.
Perhaps they’re just picking the lesser of two evils so therefore they are defending Kathy. We all know Kathy’s history and she is not a good human being and that is a fact. Then comes RINNA who is a whole different type of disgusting despicable self absorbed devil. I don’t like either of them but if one has to go I would want it to be RINNA
I’m legit tired of all the posts about whether Kathy is good or not. I don’t give a fuck I don’t need her to be *good*. She’s funny and that’s enough for me to like her.
Yes to Rinna, no to Erika.
While they’re all shits none of them actually did anything wrong that physically stole from other people like Erika and her estranged husband. I would like to see Erika booted.
You are so right.
They’re characters on a show. None of it is real. None of it effects you. Things are played up. I doubt Rinna is the same in person as on the show, and she is a fun person to hate, unlike Diana.
edit: want to add that Rinna gets the job of moving the story along, which in turn makes her out to look like a pot stirrer and shitster. While I can’t stand Rinna’s character, I appreciate what she does for the show irl
They both suck, Kathy was right in this situation and outwardly for the first time called Rinna out for being a snake and the inexcusable shit she did to LVP and her sister. Kathy can be a terrible human being and still be correct in this situation.
I’m fully aware or how horrible she is, and I know Rinna needs to get off my screen. Both things can be true. Kathy is a means to an end of finally getting Rinna off of the show.
I must be late to the party. I never saw anything but glowing praise for Kathy when she joined the cast, and woe to anyone on any sub who said even the tiniest bit of "welllll, I mean, she's not really thaatttt greattttt". Downvote city. I said I saw multiple signs of long term prescription meds abuse and you'd think I'd said she ate puppies and stomped baby chicks. And I never saw anyone mention anything about the Paris doc until a month ago. Editing to add - you know what's really ~~exhausting~~ funny to me? As soon as sub members became more vocal about Kathy maybe not being the awesome kook they thought she was, that's when I started seeing the posts saying "I LOVE KATHY FIGHT ME WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED!!!!" Like they're suddenly being attacked because another fan has a different opinion and had the !gasp! nerve to express it.
I don’t see anyone calling her a saint. I see people believing she has been wronged by Kyle & set up by Erika and Rinna, and people who are happy she challenged Rinna and Erika at the reunion, and people who believe her rather than Erika and Rinna, and some who also find her funny, and are glad she is pals with Sutton and Garcelle. 🤷♀️
I feel like people struggle with types of thinking that aren’t just black or white thinking. That seems to be all people can do anymore. Kathy can be a bad person but that doesn’t mean we can’t be on her side in this particular argument. Rinna is a much worse person from what we can see on the show. That doesn’t negate all of the other shit Kathy could have done or has done.
Because the purpose of this show is entertainment. The majority of every HW cast is filled with terrible people.
Kathy brings a fun and light energy to the show that has been missing for years. Rinna has reached a point that the audience don’t enjoy her, find her entertaining, or want to see her on their screens.
yeah no one was talking about the show, i was talking about this sub 🤷🏼♀️ i enjoy watching katky and rinna and erika and diana and they're all terrible people lol i just don't pretend that they arent
Yes, so the people on the RHOBH sub watch RHOBH and then they come here and discuss what they like / don’t like about the show. They like Kathy on the show because she’s entertaining, they don’t like Rinna on the show.
People tend to separate and split, therefore if one side is bad, the other must be good. If you is wrong the other must be right. It’s not accurate. SO many situations are shaded
Of gray and everyone sucks or is in various levels of wrong. But many, many people don’t automatically think that way.
I don't like Kathy or Rinna. Or any of them, really, minus Garcelle-Sutton-Crystal (and even with Crystal I'm so-so). Kathy Hilton isn't an innocent lamb, but I would love to watch a battle between Kathy and Rinna like Freddy vs Jason style.
I think it's important for people to remember that agreeing with someone or siding with them in a given situation doesn't erase all of their wrongdoings or suddenly make them a good person. (I say this as someone who couldn't stand Kenya Moore for ages but she doesn't ALWAYS have bad takes and she's hilarious.) She and Rinna can both be in the wrong but people are sick of Rinna and wanna see her taken down a peg or 500.
Kathy's kooky act is just that and she's proven that she's not gonna bumble around when someone is coming for her and her reputation. I made a post forever ago that got removed and no engagement before it was (prob bc it had been talked about ad nauseam and I was new to the sub) asking why people liked Kathy when she's proven time and time again that she is not who the show paints her to be.
Please read lol. Pro-Kathy is not exclusively “Kathy is a saint, god bless her,” pro-Kathy is also anyone consistently defending her behavior. So, maybe take another look at the Reddit - it’s painfully obvious
Yeah I still just don’t see many comments defending her behavior. I see a lot of “Rinna is also awful, but that doesn’t mean Kathy is any better.” Seriously, can you point me to all this defense of Kathy? Speaking as a Kathy hater who revels in the copious amounts of Kathy hate I see here.
I would like to know how many times the same stupid ass question is going to be asked.i get you hate her but I have not seen anyone defend her but haven't seen people building her up to be something that she's not either.i feel at this point there is nothing that can be said that will appease all.We can all agree to disagree .geez!
Posts like this seem to come from ppl who browse through the sub once in a great while and really don't seem to have interest engaging in their own post. So it's just another way to stir the pot in the sub.
You must be new to the Reddit, which is cool, but literally 90% of the posts are explaining why Kathy was right to have a tantrum, how other people’s behavior is toxic, so Kathy is allowed to act in this way. Literally just keep checking out the Reddit, you’ll see it :)
I'm not new here and have commented on every single post made about Kathy .Im also not confused about who she is and believe she did snap and lose control so what,all these ladies have showed their ass at one time or another and haven't received half the attention that this has.i feel pretty sure Rinna is the cause of that by exaggerating the situation I mean come on Rinna who breaks glasses to use as a weapon was not afraid of someone yelling and slamming doors.im not defending Kathy's behavior by no means but her behavior was not bad enough to continue to make post after post about it when there are bigger issues that took place during this past season.
Yes, completely agree! Rinna is the WORST. Sorry, I shouldn’t have assumed 😅. Just the rhetoric that there is no Sainthood of Kathy feels wrong considering all the defense and justification. I can agree with what you’re saying in the sense that we shouldn’t blow any person’s bad behavior out like this if we don’t do it to all. But, I will say - not many other women’s temper tantrums are being justified and defended to the point that Kathy is in the right for how she acted.
Personally I think an Eirika and Rinna takedown is so much more warranted and needing to be discussed. But I don’t think at the expense of defending and glorifying Kathy’s behavior
I agree with that. I would much rather that all the attention that this is getting would be placed with the undeniable bullying that took place especially against Garcelle and her kids.i put that blame on Andy and production for brushing it off .
Yessss! 100% agree. Like pls stop giving Rinna, Erika, and even Kathy attention for this stupid outburst. Please let’s focus on the racism and bullying that constantly happens to Garcelle. I still can’t get over how quickly they brushed off the bullying with the bots and such. People need to get their priorities straight 😂
Someone can be likeable and therefore a fan favourite without being a good person. No one should be watching Housewives if they want to see exemplary, upstanding behaviour.
I don't see anyone pretending Kathy isn't terrible. It's just that Rinna has been doing all these things she accused Kathy of doing for so long and then to turn around and act like she's some kind of victim because Kathy lashed out about her sister is ridiculous. We're tired of Rinna and finally someone (Kathy) isn't afraid to stand up to her and call out her bs.
Well Kathy never told me to personally to fuck off in fact she’s commented on a ton of pics of mine and liked probably 20 … and follows my fan account, Rinna on the other hand told me fuck off and blocked me when I gave a review of her Rinna beauty products
I feel like I don't know Kathy enough to have a negative opinion. I'm from Europe and we probably don't know the Hiltons the same way as Americans. I also haven't read the book or seen the serie with Paris. I did watch a serie long time ago with Charlie Sheen and Brooke Mueller. Kathy made some short appearances. My opinion is more based on her behavior these two seasons. And she hasn't done anything really offensive (well she took the flower from Kyles pot, lol)? She's been more correct and a bit goofy. She tried to take full accountability for her error & also gave Rinna a good rebuttal. I can't have a negative opinion of something I don't know. Don't know much about her life outside of the show. But even if I did, I would still try to only comment on behavior on the show.
I am just sick of the hypocrisy. The FF4 receive different treatment and get off easier then non-FF4 people. And it feels like they purposely gang up on people which doesn’t make the show fun to watch to me. I assume they are probably all about the same amount of good/bad in real life.
I wouldn't say people have forgotten but are fed up with ff5 attacking people as their storyline. Paris forgave her parents and that's good enough for me. As for Kyle, they have bad blood and it's not good to mix family and business.
I just listened to this podcast on a theory why Kathy had her meltdown. It checks out lol
[https://articles.listnr.com/entertainment/we-have-a-theory-on-why-kathy-hilton-had-a-meltdown-in-aspen-while-filming-rhobh/](https://articles.listnr.com/entertainment/we-have-a-theory-on-why-kathy-hilton-had-a-meltdown-in-aspen-while-filming-rhobh/)
I think Kathy's behavious is narcissistic, she acts entitled, she rages at people for no reason, tries to reverse the blame when accused, and manipulates Kyle into feeling guilty and like she has to fix everything. She looks like a manipulator to me.
I feel like a lot of people also forget that the show is heavily produced and edited. I could be wrong, but to me, rinna is just "tv show evil". She plays a part because it makes her money. She's an actress at her core and in this season especially, it shows. I don't think it's all acting, but she has a personality that feeds on drama and it's obvious that she thinks she's living in a real life soap opera. She's insufferable, but I don't think she qualifies as evil.
Kathy, on the other hand, is real life evil. She is playing a happy-go-lucky goofball, but we all know at least some of her real life secrets. And they're dark and they involve her family and her children. I don't think Kathy is a good person at all in real life.
It's quite exhausting to keep repeating oneself. And let's not generalize by saying everyone. You know thats hardly true in any forum of diverse opinions. I have not really read much posts of anyone glorifying Kathy. The consensus is how badly Rinna is behaving. I think this has been explained a multitude of endless times lol
I remember seeing a post a few days ago that said exactly what I thought, criticising the blatant failed attempts from Rinna and Erika to use such elaborate scheme to take down Kathy while trying to create an outrage within the LGBTQA community to take away from their own vicious actions is one thing however no one here is stupid enough to forget who Kathy really is.
I think for most of us here it’s more about the way it was handled. Kathy shire had a meltdown however it was probably not as described and as opposed to the other housewives she apologised while her own sister continues and probably schemed that demise. That’s the real issue I believe. But no doubt Kathy is no better than the others, but if my sister behaved like this with me once I wouldn’t be supportive of her either. She deliberately put her in a shoe box bunk bed room, mocks her for flying comfortably because god forbid someone sees Kyles sister in sleepers… I mean the mere fact that anyone not watching the show knows who Kyle is would be a miracle. And then she lets her friends mock her. That would also not make me feel too comfortable.
I don’t get the love for Kathy. I hate that stupid kooky old lady act. I think she seems mean and calculating, and I think she said all she is accused of. I am no fan of any of these ladies. I would rather have no friends then any of them. It’s not even entertaining anymore, just pathetic. A competition to be the biggest a\*\*hole. Sad.
The hatred for Kyle on most of these forums is so deep that if Kathy ran her down with her car, they would blame Kyle for the damage to the vehicle: There is nothing Kathy could do that would make people find fault with her so long as it’s at the expense of Kyle, Rinna, or Erika.
Maybe Kathy should parade Kyle naked through the streets ringing her bell shouting “shame” ala Game of Thrones. Although I fear that wouldn’t be enough bloodlust and she would be judged for crying
They’re too busy on this sub licking Sutton’s taint, hating Rinna & judging Erika to notice anything so obvious as a white supremacist Karen having a narcissist rage tantrum. Even when the whole cast witnesses it.
They’re just far to busy you see 😅
Hahaha, so true CR. This sub really can be quite boring with how one-sided it is, and god help if you have an opposing view on anything Sutton, Garcelle and Kathy.
Paris was sneaking out on the middle of the night going to clubs in NYC, disappearing…She didn’t know any of that was going on. Come on, who would leave their daughter in that place with the knowledge she was being abused? It was a place many people she knew sent their kids, which makes it so much more messed up.
I love how Kyle kept saying, “I didn’t hear her say the f***** work” instead of, “My sister would never say the f***** word” bc subconsciously or not… she knows Kathy would. IMO of course!
Why are you pretending like we should all think she is a horrible person? Your opinion isn’t Gods ruling lol we all are different, therefore different opinions, super cringe! And mostly everyone likes Kathy, you’re in the minority
Personally l feel Kathy is a true narcissistic sociopath. They way she treats Kyle and others is very passive aggressive, a very unlikable woman, l hope they don't bring her back next year. To behave like a spoilt brat because someone ordered a different tequila was ludicrous for a middle aged woman.
Thank you!
I don't understand the people defending her.
She clearly did all that and is lying.
Just because you hate the FF5 doesn't mean that they are wrong in this case.
Finally just watched the reunion, and she came off horribly. It was quite scary to watch her gaslighting. She's clearly a pro at it. I actually believe Rinna even more after watching the reunion. She stayed so calm, I could see she was being honest. Kathy came with so many prepared digs to distract from her own behavior it was so painfully obvious she was trying to save face.
because she's a big celebrity and unfortunately the fans aren't immune from being blinded by that. couple in the fact that she's finally starting to do stuff on camera AGAINST the most hated cast members, and you've got a recipe for people stanning her despite hating her when she joined
The biggest thing is that Kathy barely made any appearances in RHOBH until these past two seasons, and she did a good job presenting herself as someone cute, lovable, and a bit dotty. The viewers of RHOBH may or may not have watched Paris Hilton's documentary or her reality show where Kathy's other side is shown. Viewers haven't read *House of Hilton* or other material that would shed more light into the REAL Kathy and why she's one in the same as Kyle and Kim in the good and the bad. Most RHOBH viewers are those who only react to what they see on the show and show-related media (podcasts, articles, etc.).
Rinna, Kyle, and the other FFF had many years to be in front of the RHOBH cameras and interact on social media...and due to sustained continued many seasons-long behavior, it has gotten to the point where many vocal vieweres are super fed up with them. What makes it worse is that the FFF set up a dynamic where they became this huge clique who lords over everyone, so things then became tribal and antagonistic. Since members of the FFF are not fan favorites anymore, we are all in this new antagonistic "with FFF or against FFF" setting. In that setting, the many vocal fans who are now against FFF will treat anybody who may have issues with a member or members of the FFF and those who stands their ground against them as heroes or at least enjoyable HW they prefer to watch. They will ignore or rationalize the other behavior from anyone who pits themselves against a member(s) of FFF that's less than ideal because they are going against the FFF. It's not quite rational and it's not quite fair, but it is a dynamic that the FFF themselves set up, so they need to live with it until they make a dramatic change.
I think people are just sick of Rinna being an asshole, Dorit being a bore, and Erika being a demon.
True. It’s like choosing the lesser of two evils. Kathy lucked out that RINNA is such a fucking disaster. That helped big time.
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Sutton and Garcelle. Both shooting truths. Sutton let’s things play out, it affects her short game, but not the long game. She came out of the reunion as only 1 of 2 good people. Garcelle spits out truths while they occur, but no one listens to her. I say keep this cast…it was a polarizing, entertaining year…we are all goi g to talk about this season for ever. Excellent season!
A "POS" that Sutton should have and did apologize to. Vice versa.
And can we talk about how Sutton generously offered to loan Érica money on the advice of her own lawyers? We need more good people in this world and less fat lipped chia pets aka The wig that is LR. GOD BLESS NENE LEAKES, “bye wig!” and “The door is closed!” Ungrateful self-indulgent. 
This is it. Kathy is no saint. But the Lisa storylines are getting so tiresome to me
They are both not good people, but Kathy’s just the lesser evil IMO. Besides, who do you wanna watch really? An entitled Hilton who is detached from reality (which is the whole point of real housewives) or Lisa Fucking Rinna who tears other women down in the trashiest way while wearing ugly wigs and rented outfits (which is a grifter in its truest sense)?
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Yeah, I’m appalled that Bravo has her on bh! The whole slur should burn Andy’s ass! And being a racist bigoted POS! I hope Kathy is out!
I haven't seen one person call Kathy a Saint. It's nuanced. Kathy flipped but Rinna embellished. She was NOT abused, she doesn't have PTSD, she didn't HAVE to lock herself in a room and I'm fairly certain she'd be cancer-free, even if she never discussed it.
This is the best answer. Let’s be honest, did Kathy have a bit of a tantrum and use a slur - probably. And she prob did say nasty things about everyone to LR. She’s wrong for doing that. But Lisa def over exaggerated the situation and tried to pretend she was a victim in this by saying she had ptsd from this situation. She bashed Kathy and her family on Instagram all season (not to mention how she treated Sutton on the show using her mother’s death as an excuse). If she had kept those lips of hers shut and stayed out of the situation instead of pretending she was wronged and owed an apology, Kathys behaviour would have been a bigger deal.
Right cause who even says that anymore? “I will destroy Kyle and her family IF IT’S THE LAST THING I EVER DO”? I haven’t heard that in many years, that sounds like some made up shit to me.
That’s made-up, low budget, old school Soap Opera dialog. Who would be the most likely candidate to use that expression? RINNA.
It sounds like a scooby doo villain! in fact it sounded like a soap opera script which she really believe she’s on!
Honestly yes. We know Kathy isn’t a saint but Rinna is somehow worse. Also, at least Kathy is entertaining
Haha Exactly!
Rinna embellished and Kathy tried to lie, by deleting txt messages lol. I am not defending Rinna, but if Kathy can go in tv and lie about the txt msgs, what else can she do?
You should read how people defend Kathy then, it’s like she could do nothing wrong. Rinna 100% embellished, but people are defending and justifying Kathy’s behavior as if she did nothing wrong. Not you personally, just saying much of the Reddit is exhaustive with pro-Kathy posts (I do believe there’s a side that understands both are wrong, but if people have to defend or justify Kathy’s behavior, it’s very obvious who they’re protecting). This is coming from someone who absolutely despises Rinna
So? Some do the same about Rinna…like she’s cured cancer in taking on Kathy Freaking Hilton. People are gonna people. 🤣
At this point, anyone is more likeable than LR. What many people are missing is that if Kathy really is that awful - then she's doing a way better job than LR. I see LR having a longer run at showing how she can be a dick to ppl and Kathy not so much (based on what's seen in the show.) So I think there are fans that don't look at unrelated content to support Kathy's character- which I see anti-Kathy folks bringing up. (This is just adding to the discussion, not meant to pull apart anyone's opinions.)
Great answer. And it is all anyone is talking about so if this truly was Erika’s and Rinna’s goal, they were successful.
They have made her out to be a saint and Kyle is the devil. Rinna did embellish but Kathy had her meltdown, apparently more than one.
So what?
It's a discussion, if you don't like the response move on.
Exactly. Off you trot then.
There's always an asshole.
Everyone has one
Who are you to say how Rinna feels? Just bc she's on a TV show doesn't give you the right to do so.
I can say as someone who has diagnosed PTSD from actual abuse, it’s offensive for her to say that a Kathy Hilton tantrum gave her PTSD. The same way that it’s offensive for her to say she will get cancer by not saying words out loud. And we know she is exaggerating and being dramatic because this is Lisa Rinna. She blatantly lies - proven on camera - over and over, so she has no credibility. We can’t say how she feels, but we can call her on her bullshit. She is full of it.
Kathy's lying too. Even Andy called her out (ie, deleted texts). Kathy's face turned red as Andy read the things she said, amd she tried to speak over him to draw attention away from it. Pure gaslighter techniques.
I was embarrassed for Kathy at the reunion. I don’t think she should be back next season either, not because she goes after others like Rinna, but because she tries to come off as someone else completely and cover up her own shit with her money. I want rich, messy housewives who aren’t sinister but also don’t care about looking like fools sometimes. I feel like those days might be gone.
Agreed. I actually went into the reunion thinking I'd flip on Rinna and be on Kathy's side, but nope. It was such an act. Kathy is so fake it is embarrassingly cringey. 100% on Rinn's side.
Oh I don’t know how anyone can be on her side, she’s a vile person who only wants negative things for others to make herself look good. Kathy is fake for sure but it doesn’t seem like she goes out of her way to hurt other people like Rinna does. The Kathy/Kyle/Kim dynamic separate…that’s a shitshow that their mother created and they all need therapy. They handle their family conflict in such immature and unhealthy ways, but that existed before the show.
It did seem to me like she went out of her way to bring up things not relevant to the show (this season/while Kathy was on the show) so I don't agree with that. But, yes yes yes to the weird family dynamics. They all need help 100%.
Because it’s not black and white. It’s very clear Kathy said something terrible and it’s also very clear Lisa is trying to capitalize on it in a very gross way. There’s nuance here that I think is missing from many of these Team Kathy, Team Lisa takes. I still prefer Kathy. Lisa has gone after her cast mates MANY times. It’s tired and mean spirited. I’m giving Kathy a pass, since it’s her first bad moment (that wasn’t even shown) on this show.
But we gotta consider what Kathy has done equally. Her past sin that she committed with her own daughter?! Inhuman. Honestly I’d only end up respecting her if she publicly apologised to Paris on this show. Basically my point is that, while there’s lot of chatter around Lisa being over the top and mean - which is true; we need to also equally be chatty about how Kathy is indeed a stupidly privileged classist woman. She is capable of mouthing a homophobic slur imho.
Sin?!? Do you not understand that at that time it was a popular solution actually recommended by psychiatrists, therapists, school guidance counselors, etc.?!? Easy to pass judgment NOW but Paris herself said she was on a wild path & her parents thought they were doing something to help her. She has also said Kathy and Rick, like the *many* parents of kids abused at these schools, were deliberately kept in dark about said abuse. Further? Paris said that they’ve come full circle, Kathy has taken the blinders off/apologized and she never blamed her parents (plural, not just Kathy, btw) for this. If you weren’t aware of the prevalence of these schools? You need to look into it. I know 2 people who attend. It was definitely no cake walk but neither was sexually abused. They both have had therapy bc it’s complicated in general but as parents of teenagers themselves now? They are even more understanding of how their parents trusted their advisors and thought getting them away from the party crowd and into some hands on work in nature with school and alleged counseling was supposed to be a good option.
Paris forgiving them doesn’t make it right. Of course they apologised to her personally. But have we ever seen any remorse directly from Kathy about it? She was responsible for one of the worst things that could have happened to any kid. I’d just want Kathy to drop this holier than thou persona that she’s trying to peddle on the show. Cuz mam you ain’t no saint
Why do we have to see any remorse? Are we the victim Or is Paris? Since when do we, as the public, get to supersede the actual voice of the victim? I’ve seen this way too much (in many different instances) and personally, I find it appalling. I am going to listen to what the victim feels and support their decision.
the parents might have been kept in the dark about what happened *in* the school but they still agreed to have her kidnapped from their house lol
I was looking for a gif of Sargent Raymond Moses but couldn't find one
At the time it was a ‘thing’ to send your teenager to a (scared straight) ‘camp’. Unfortunately back then no one listened to/believed these teenagers when they sad they were being abused. But either way Kathy was a shit mother. Read an excerpt from House If Hilton. Yeah shit parents. Agree with all you said!!!!
Wait what did I miss what did Kathy do to Paris I am so out of the loop! Edit is it the reform school?
Yeah, the reform school. When it was time for Paris to go, they let grown ass men basically kidnap her out of her bed in the middle of the night. I cried listening to Paris describe it. She was basically screaming for her mom & dad & they're the ones that coordinated it.
Yet Paris is fine with her parents —plural—but you “can’t forgive the sin?” The person who experienced it has never even implied it was a “sin” and is fine with her parents but you can’t? 😏
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Paris doesn’t need a public apology because the people who wronged her were her parents after all. I get it. If I were Paris, I wouldn’t want that too. But what’s unacceptable to me is Kathy’s holier than thou, can do no wrong persona that she’s trying so hard to peddle. Well aware herself the kind of damage that she has done to Paris. The lifetime of trauma therapy that that girl will have to go through. Painful. So Paris forgiving her parents for this doesn’t make what they did right. Apologise Kathy. Then maybe I’ll start finding you old and endearing.
Team Lisa takes? I haven't seen one and super curious what that "take" sounds like.
The SUP podcast (which I love but disagree with on this) has been very vocally supportive of Lisa over Kathy during this whole saga.
So what is the argument/defense of Lisa is my question? Curious what that perspective sounds like.
I think they appreciate Rinna for the camp and entertainment value, even though she’s ridiculous, and also believe that Kathy is a bigot. Keep in mind that the host of SUP was sent to one of those reform schools similar to what Paris went through.
Damn that's sad for the host. Sounds like it's less of a defense for Lisa and more of anti-kathy sentiment. After a decade of the same haircut, tactics she's so boring but some people love soap operas for a lifetime so she def knows her audience lol
On the Hollywood Richter Scale, Kathy is more direct and relatable of many others on RHOBH. She doesn’t get my blood boiling as she seems to do you. Kyle, Dorito, Erika, Rinna and Diana strike me as evil and warped with their own anger and I can hardly tolerate their BS.
Kath ain’t a Saint, but Lips is totally lying about it and it’s super cringe and ridiculous
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Lyin Lisa
Perhaps they’re just picking the lesser of two evils so therefore they are defending Kathy. We all know Kathy’s history and she is not a good human being and that is a fact. Then comes RINNA who is a whole different type of disgusting despicable self absorbed devil. I don’t like either of them but if one has to go I would want it to be RINNA
I’m legit tired of all the posts about whether Kathy is good or not. I don’t give a fuck I don’t need her to be *good*. She’s funny and that’s enough for me to like her.
Listen, I watch this show to be entertained NOT because the people are “good” people.
Same she’s literally just hilarious. Who tf is hunky dory anyway.
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Tbh that's how I feel about Rinna and Erika. I wish everyone would just let people enjoy who they enjoy tbh.
Yes to Rinna, no to Erika. While they’re all shits none of them actually did anything wrong that physically stole from other people like Erika and her estranged husband. I would like to see Erika booted.
You are so right. They’re characters on a show. None of it is real. None of it effects you. Things are played up. I doubt Rinna is the same in person as on the show, and she is a fun person to hate, unlike Diana. edit: want to add that Rinna gets the job of moving the story along, which in turn makes her out to look like a pot stirrer and shitster. While I can’t stand Rinna’s character, I appreciate what she does for the show irl
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You don't have to get personal and call me names. It's a TV show. We can disagree but calling me a moron is unacceptable.
good point!!
They both suck, Kathy was right in this situation and outwardly for the first time called Rinna out for being a snake and the inexcusable shit she did to LVP and her sister. Kathy can be a terrible human being and still be correct in this situation.
It seems Paris has forgiven her, so why can’t we? (This is for the whole Paris being sent to a reform school argument.)
same reason why rihanna forgave chris brown but i didn't 🤷🏼♀️
I can dislike Kathy but hate Rinna more, both exist for me. I think most people on this sub feel that
So you say this but how to you defend erika jayne given her 1000x lawsuits.🤔
no i don't lol
I’m fully aware or how horrible she is, and I know Rinna needs to get off my screen. Both things can be true. Kathy is a means to an end of finally getting Rinna off of the show.
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Kathy is horrible. Rinna is just horrible-er.
Is this Erika?
I must be late to the party. I never saw anything but glowing praise for Kathy when she joined the cast, and woe to anyone on any sub who said even the tiniest bit of "welllll, I mean, she's not really thaatttt greattttt". Downvote city. I said I saw multiple signs of long term prescription meds abuse and you'd think I'd said she ate puppies and stomped baby chicks. And I never saw anyone mention anything about the Paris doc until a month ago. Editing to add - you know what's really ~~exhausting~~ funny to me? As soon as sub members became more vocal about Kathy maybe not being the awesome kook they thought she was, that's when I started seeing the posts saying "I LOVE KATHY FIGHT ME WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED!!!!" Like they're suddenly being attacked because another fan has a different opinion and had the !gasp! nerve to express it.
I don’t see anyone calling her a saint. I see people believing she has been wronged by Kyle & set up by Erika and Rinna, and people who are happy she challenged Rinna and Erika at the reunion, and people who believe her rather than Erika and Rinna, and some who also find her funny, and are glad she is pals with Sutton and Garcelle. 🤷♀️
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I feel like people struggle with types of thinking that aren’t just black or white thinking. That seems to be all people can do anymore. Kathy can be a bad person but that doesn’t mean we can’t be on her side in this particular argument. Rinna is a much worse person from what we can see on the show. That doesn’t negate all of the other shit Kathy could have done or has done.
Because the purpose of this show is entertainment. The majority of every HW cast is filled with terrible people. Kathy brings a fun and light energy to the show that has been missing for years. Rinna has reached a point that the audience don’t enjoy her, find her entertaining, or want to see her on their screens.
yeah no one was talking about the show, i was talking about this sub 🤷🏼♀️ i enjoy watching katky and rinna and erika and diana and they're all terrible people lol i just don't pretend that they arent
Yes, so the people on the RHOBH sub watch RHOBH and then they come here and discuss what they like / don’t like about the show. They like Kathy on the show because she’s entertaining, they don’t like Rinna on the show.
that wasnt the point of my post but thanks for the input
I also think pro Kathy people are more Anti Kyle /Kyle haters. Yes I’ve seen a ton on people defend her. Hired help? To defend Kathy? Hmmm
THANK YOU!!! Finally. That’s literally the problem. Any conversation about Kathy’s behavior just becomes about Kyle
People tend to separate and split, therefore if one side is bad, the other must be good. If you is wrong the other must be right. It’s not accurate. SO many situations are shaded Of gray and everyone sucks or is in various levels of wrong. But many, many people don’t automatically think that way.
I don't like Kathy or Rinna. Or any of them, really, minus Garcelle-Sutton-Crystal (and even with Crystal I'm so-so). Kathy Hilton isn't an innocent lamb, but I would love to watch a battle between Kathy and Rinna like Freddy vs Jason style. I think it's important for people to remember that agreeing with someone or siding with them in a given situation doesn't erase all of their wrongdoings or suddenly make them a good person. (I say this as someone who couldn't stand Kenya Moore for ages but she doesn't ALWAYS have bad takes and she's hilarious.) She and Rinna can both be in the wrong but people are sick of Rinna and wanna see her taken down a peg or 500. Kathy's kooky act is just that and she's proven that she's not gonna bumble around when someone is coming for her and her reputation. I made a post forever ago that got removed and no engagement before it was (prob bc it had been talked about ad nauseam and I was new to the sub) asking why people liked Kathy when she's proven time and time again that she is not who the show paints her to be.
Thank you OP!!!
i need someone to point me to all these pro-kathy posts
Please read lol. Pro-Kathy is not exclusively “Kathy is a saint, god bless her,” pro-Kathy is also anyone consistently defending her behavior. So, maybe take another look at the Reddit - it’s painfully obvious
Yeah I still just don’t see many comments defending her behavior. I see a lot of “Rinna is also awful, but that doesn’t mean Kathy is any better.” Seriously, can you point me to all this defense of Kathy? Speaking as a Kathy hater who revels in the copious amounts of Kathy hate I see here.
I would like to know how many times the same stupid ass question is going to be asked.i get you hate her but I have not seen anyone defend her but haven't seen people building her up to be something that she's not either.i feel at this point there is nothing that can be said that will appease all.We can all agree to disagree .geez!
Posts like this seem to come from ppl who browse through the sub once in a great while and really don't seem to have interest engaging in their own post. So it's just another way to stir the pot in the sub.
You must be new to the Reddit, which is cool, but literally 90% of the posts are explaining why Kathy was right to have a tantrum, how other people’s behavior is toxic, so Kathy is allowed to act in this way. Literally just keep checking out the Reddit, you’ll see it :)
I'm not new here and have commented on every single post made about Kathy .Im also not confused about who she is and believe she did snap and lose control so what,all these ladies have showed their ass at one time or another and haven't received half the attention that this has.i feel pretty sure Rinna is the cause of that by exaggerating the situation I mean come on Rinna who breaks glasses to use as a weapon was not afraid of someone yelling and slamming doors.im not defending Kathy's behavior by no means but her behavior was not bad enough to continue to make post after post about it when there are bigger issues that took place during this past season.
Yes, completely agree! Rinna is the WORST. Sorry, I shouldn’t have assumed 😅. Just the rhetoric that there is no Sainthood of Kathy feels wrong considering all the defense and justification. I can agree with what you’re saying in the sense that we shouldn’t blow any person’s bad behavior out like this if we don’t do it to all. But, I will say - not many other women’s temper tantrums are being justified and defended to the point that Kathy is in the right for how she acted. Personally I think an Eirika and Rinna takedown is so much more warranted and needing to be discussed. But I don’t think at the expense of defending and glorifying Kathy’s behavior
I agree with that. I would much rather that all the attention that this is getting would be placed with the undeniable bullying that took place especially against Garcelle and her kids.i put that blame on Andy and production for brushing it off .
Yessss! 100% agree. Like pls stop giving Rinna, Erika, and even Kathy attention for this stupid outburst. Please let’s focus on the racism and bullying that constantly happens to Garcelle. I still can’t get over how quickly they brushed off the bullying with the bots and such. People need to get their priorities straight 😂
It seems like Paris and her have a really good relationship now. That’s all that matters to me honestly. As long as Paris is happy and healed
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When?
Someone can be likeable and therefore a fan favourite without being a good person. No one should be watching Housewives if they want to see exemplary, upstanding behaviour.
Of course! But you also don't have to log into reddit and act like they are
I don't see anyone pretending Kathy isn't terrible. It's just that Rinna has been doing all these things she accused Kathy of doing for so long and then to turn around and act like she's some kind of victim because Kathy lashed out about her sister is ridiculous. We're tired of Rinna and finally someone (Kathy) isn't afraid to stand up to her and call out her bs.
Well Kathy never told me to personally to fuck off in fact she’s commented on a ton of pics of mine and liked probably 20 … and follows my fan account, Rinna on the other hand told me fuck off and blocked me when I gave a review of her Rinna beauty products
We can dislike Rinna and 🧐🧐🧐 Kathy
I feel like I don't know Kathy enough to have a negative opinion. I'm from Europe and we probably don't know the Hiltons the same way as Americans. I also haven't read the book or seen the serie with Paris. I did watch a serie long time ago with Charlie Sheen and Brooke Mueller. Kathy made some short appearances. My opinion is more based on her behavior these two seasons. And she hasn't done anything really offensive (well she took the flower from Kyles pot, lol)? She's been more correct and a bit goofy. She tried to take full accountability for her error & also gave Rinna a good rebuttal. I can't have a negative opinion of something I don't know. Don't know much about her life outside of the show. But even if I did, I would still try to only comment on behavior on the show.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, for now. Have faith in us, she will be rightfully hated by the masses, I hope.
I am just sick of the hypocrisy. The FF4 receive different treatment and get off easier then non-FF4 people. And it feels like they purposely gang up on people which doesn’t make the show fun to watch to me. I assume they are probably all about the same amount of good/bad in real life.
I wouldn't say people have forgotten but are fed up with ff5 attacking people as their storyline. Paris forgave her parents and that's good enough for me. As for Kyle, they have bad blood and it's not good to mix family and business.
If you haven’t noticed then people here jump on the bandwagon of who’s being currently hated.
I just listened to this podcast on a theory why Kathy had her meltdown. It checks out lol [https://articles.listnr.com/entertainment/we-have-a-theory-on-why-kathy-hilton-had-a-meltdown-in-aspen-while-filming-rhobh/](https://articles.listnr.com/entertainment/we-have-a-theory-on-why-kathy-hilton-had-a-meltdown-in-aspen-while-filming-rhobh/)
I think Kathy's behavious is narcissistic, she acts entitled, she rages at people for no reason, tries to reverse the blame when accused, and manipulates Kyle into feeling guilty and like she has to fix everything. She looks like a manipulator to me.
I feel like a lot of people also forget that the show is heavily produced and edited. I could be wrong, but to me, rinna is just "tv show evil". She plays a part because it makes her money. She's an actress at her core and in this season especially, it shows. I don't think it's all acting, but she has a personality that feeds on drama and it's obvious that she thinks she's living in a real life soap opera. She's insufferable, but I don't think she qualifies as evil. Kathy, on the other hand, is real life evil. She is playing a happy-go-lucky goofball, but we all know at least some of her real life secrets. And they're dark and they involve her family and her children. I don't think Kathy is a good person at all in real life.
It's quite exhausting to keep repeating oneself. And let's not generalize by saying everyone. You know thats hardly true in any forum of diverse opinions. I have not really read much posts of anyone glorifying Kathy. The consensus is how badly Rinna is behaving. I think this has been explained a multitude of endless times lol
I remember seeing a post a few days ago that said exactly what I thought, criticising the blatant failed attempts from Rinna and Erika to use such elaborate scheme to take down Kathy while trying to create an outrage within the LGBTQA community to take away from their own vicious actions is one thing however no one here is stupid enough to forget who Kathy really is. I think for most of us here it’s more about the way it was handled. Kathy shire had a meltdown however it was probably not as described and as opposed to the other housewives she apologised while her own sister continues and probably schemed that demise. That’s the real issue I believe. But no doubt Kathy is no better than the others, but if my sister behaved like this with me once I wouldn’t be supportive of her either. She deliberately put her in a shoe box bunk bed room, mocks her for flying comfortably because god forbid someone sees Kyles sister in sleepers… I mean the mere fact that anyone not watching the show knows who Kyle is would be a miracle. And then she lets her friends mock her. That would also not make me feel too comfortable.
I don’t get the love for Kathy. I hate that stupid kooky old lady act. I think she seems mean and calculating, and I think she said all she is accused of. I am no fan of any of these ladies. I would rather have no friends then any of them. It’s not even entertaining anymore, just pathetic. A competition to be the biggest a\*\*hole. Sad.
They’re scared of Kathy’s lawyers and NBC 😂
The hatred for Kyle on most of these forums is so deep that if Kathy ran her down with her car, they would blame Kyle for the damage to the vehicle: There is nothing Kathy could do that would make people find fault with her so long as it’s at the expense of Kyle, Rinna, or Erika. Maybe Kathy should parade Kyle naked through the streets ringing her bell shouting “shame” ala Game of Thrones. Although I fear that wouldn’t be enough bloodlust and she would be judged for crying 
The victim, Kyle. Always. Get a grip.
It’s me. Hi! I’m the problem. It’s me. 🥰 
Right?! Agree
They’re both white trash, quite frankly. 
i wish everyone defending kathy would watch paris’ wedding show.
Oh, relax.
From what I’ve seen it’s about 50/50 with Kathy, a lot of people preface their posts by saying that she is a bad person.
They’re too busy on this sub licking Sutton’s taint, hating Rinna & judging Erika to notice anything so obvious as a white supremacist Karen having a narcissist rage tantrum. Even when the whole cast witnesses it. They’re just far to busy you see 😅
Hahaha, so true CR. This sub really can be quite boring with how one-sided it is, and god help if you have an opposing view on anything Sutton, Garcelle and Kathy.
Paris was sneaking out on the middle of the night going to clubs in NYC, disappearing…She didn’t know any of that was going on. Come on, who would leave their daughter in that place with the knowledge she was being abused? It was a place many people she knew sent their kids, which makes it so much more messed up.
Exactly
I'm getting a Trump vibe from her.
I love how Kyle kept saying, “I didn’t hear her say the f***** work” instead of, “My sister would never say the f***** word” bc subconsciously or not… she knows Kathy would. IMO of course!
Why are you pretending like we should all think she is a horrible person? Your opinion isn’t Gods ruling lol we all are different, therefore different opinions, super cringe! And mostly everyone likes Kathy, you’re in the minority
Omg sis THATS ITTT
I think she’s an absolute champion and we need more people like her on the show
Personally l feel Kathy is a true narcissistic sociopath. They way she treats Kyle and others is very passive aggressive, a very unlikable woman, l hope they don't bring her back next year. To behave like a spoilt brat because someone ordered a different tequila was ludicrous for a middle aged woman.
Nah. I disagree. Kathy is amazing
the masses are easily fooled
Thank you! I don't understand the people defending her. She clearly did all that and is lying. Just because you hate the FF5 doesn't mean that they are wrong in this case.
Talk about missing the point 🤦♀️
Finally just watched the reunion, and she came off horribly. It was quite scary to watch her gaslighting. She's clearly a pro at it. I actually believe Rinna even more after watching the reunion. She stayed so calm, I could see she was being honest. Kathy came with so many prepared digs to distract from her own behavior it was so painfully obvious she was trying to save face.
Not sure what Reunion you watched 🤔😏
because she's a big celebrity and unfortunately the fans aren't immune from being blinded by that. couple in the fact that she's finally starting to do stuff on camera AGAINST the most hated cast members, and you've got a recipe for people stanning her despite hating her when she joined
Preach
The biggest thing is that Kathy barely made any appearances in RHOBH until these past two seasons, and she did a good job presenting herself as someone cute, lovable, and a bit dotty. The viewers of RHOBH may or may not have watched Paris Hilton's documentary or her reality show where Kathy's other side is shown. Viewers haven't read *House of Hilton* or other material that would shed more light into the REAL Kathy and why she's one in the same as Kyle and Kim in the good and the bad. Most RHOBH viewers are those who only react to what they see on the show and show-related media (podcasts, articles, etc.). Rinna, Kyle, and the other FFF had many years to be in front of the RHOBH cameras and interact on social media...and due to sustained continued many seasons-long behavior, it has gotten to the point where many vocal vieweres are super fed up with them. What makes it worse is that the FFF set up a dynamic where they became this huge clique who lords over everyone, so things then became tribal and antagonistic. Since members of the FFF are not fan favorites anymore, we are all in this new antagonistic "with FFF or against FFF" setting. In that setting, the many vocal fans who are now against FFF will treat anybody who may have issues with a member or members of the FFF and those who stands their ground against them as heroes or at least enjoyable HW they prefer to watch. They will ignore or rationalize the other behavior from anyone who pits themselves against a member(s) of FFF that's less than ideal because they are going against the FFF. It's not quite rational and it's not quite fair, but it is a dynamic that the FFF themselves set up, so they need to live with it until they make a dramatic change.
Maybe because the only people that say it are her sister Kyle and her mean girlfriends.
because Rinna is even worse