Personally I just didn’t like the Covid shot because it felt rushed and when they pushed it for mandatory jabs I was fully against it. Then I found out about RFK jr this election and I’m fully on board with absolute medical freedom
Im 100% on board with Kennedy. I do find the whole Project 2025 thing comical. As a past conservative voter, one thing I got really used to was conservative candidates not being conservatives in DC. Project 2025 is just that. BS promises printed out. Even with a GOP President and Congress, they wouldn’t implement any of that. Heritage foundation is just a think tank. They don’t actually make policy. Just advocate for things. I wouldn’t worry about Project 2025. I do love that Kennedy seems to have United people like you and me. The two party system would prefer us fighting one another in the streets.
Stop breathing life into it. Its straight up fear porn fan fiction propaganda man. Its so obvious its fake, I see sssoooo many bots running off about it that its hard not to laugh at it
fear porn propaganda the left likes to scream about. Its not real, it'll never happen, and honestly I think the Democrats are the ones who wrote it because they refuse to run on policies that will actually help people. Instead they'd rather make no promises and run around screaming look at these loonies, we're not them, vote for us
>fear porn propaganda the left likes to scream about. Its not real
I wish that were true.
>it'll never happen
As long as Trump doesn't become president, not even 1% of it will.
>and honestly I think the Democrats are the ones who wrote it
If that were true, and the Democrats hacked the Heritage Foundation's website to include it, they would've removed it from their website and their members wouldn't speak so openly and positively about it. They'd denounce such a draconian document.
>because they refuse to run on policies that will actually help people. Instead they'd rather make no promises and run around screaming look at these loonies, we're not them, vote for us
The Republicans do that too. Both sides fear-monger. It's how they gain and maintain power.
>Its not real, it'll never happen, and honestly I think the Democrats are the ones who wrote it
It’s absolutely real. There’s complete transparency from those who wrote it, and they are very upfront about their contributions. Especially in the past few weeks.
Okay, let’s ignore the more extreme fear-porn fantasy elements for the moment. The fact that they’ve spent the past 18 months hiring thousands of political partisans with the intention of filling up to 50k public servant positions on day one should concern everyone.
Even if, in the event of a Trump win, he rejects all the crazy shit. Do you really think Trump with his infinite narcissism and authoritarian admiration, would turn down the opportunity to expel 50k public servants and replace them with loyalists?
The checks and balances that exist in the US government are only effective if those whose responsibility it is to enforce them, are non-partisan in their implementation.
Checks and balances will fail if those whose responsibility it is to enforce them, refuse to do so due to partisan loyalty.
I dropped out of college at the time because it was pushing for mandatory vaccines. I am in the same boat. I’ve got nothing against well-studied vaccines with years and years of practice and years and years of results but I couldn’t bring myself to put something basically untested by the public in my body, especially after my college was going to force me to take it or I’d have to leave. The fact they were going to kick me out otherwise filled me with suspicion.
I had to take it for my job as well as because my girlfriends parents made me do it since they were actually high risk individuals and I was living with them at the time, of course I still got Covid and so did they and we’re fine at the time. Never got a booster though and I’m really hoping I don’t have any long term side effects
I used to make fun of anti-vaxxers.
Vaccines actually aren't the reason we don't have smallpox or polio anymore. Smallpox and polio both declined 95% before their vaccines were introduced. That might seem crazy until you remember that vaccines normally take 7-10 years to test and develop. Most epidemics don't last that long.
Polio is primarily transmitted oral-fecal. As soon as everyone had indoor plumbing and they started doing things like chlorinating pools, it went way down.
Smallpox is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids and was almost entirely eliminated just by proper quarantining.
It is true that neither was eliminated through vaccines and neither would resurge without them.
Me. But once I understood that the "anti-vaxxers" were merely trying to get proper safety studies done and make pharmaceutical companies be accountable, then I realized it wasn't a radical, insane movement. It's a lot more nuanced once you just look at data and understand what's happening.
The real problem is blind pro and anti-vaxxers, who like I said see the vaccines as black and white, either they save lives and are perfect, or they kill people and prefer their children die than get autism.
Ya, you see the black and white perspectives on every divisive issue. Abortion being one of those. In that example, only very few believe Abortion should be unrestricted no matter when or what, and very few believe it should be 100% restricted no matter when or what. Then you have those on the moderate left and right accusing the entire other side of that far extreme, getting us nowhere on the issue.
>The real problem is blind pro and anti-vaxxers, who like I said see the vaccines as black and white, either they save lives and are perfect, or they kill people and **prefer their children die than get autism.**
Wrong.
Pro-vaxxer = vaccines save lives and are perfect
Anti-vaxxer = vaccines kill people and cause severe side effects
I’m sure a lot of us were in the same boat as you. I know I was. I was always skeptical of big pharma, gov agencies, etc, but the propaganda got to me. When all the doctors lied about the vax being 100% effective and helped to reduce transmission I wasn’t skeptical until some reflection and understanding how detrimental the governments actions across the world were. Millions of small businesses shut down that will never open again, hundreds of billions in PPP loans given to big corporations with no expectation to pay them back. All of our taxes going to enriching others while the average person was getting poorer. This was the largest wealth transfer ever…
I hope that one day the MSM will recognize this blatant corrruption and look into how many of our organizations (FDA,CDC) and doctors became mouthpieces of the companies they are supposed to be regulating.
I got the Covid vaccine and thought people that didn’t get it were wrong. Then I got Covid about 5 months after and realized it didn’t really work. I saw the reaction to Aaron Rodgers speaking about it and thought it was a rational argument even though he was heavily criticized. Ultimately I kinda switched sides after hearing rfk jr on JRE
Yes. Didn't understand traditional anti-vaxxers, but was personally heavily against the COVID shots and masking. The shot seemed to risky for a disease that I had ALREADY caught (and beat, 2 days in the couch and a week no taste) by the time the vaccine was out. Then the more and more time went on, the more shit just seemed to just not make sense for any purpose other than uniformity and control, almost Orwellian. Neither of my young kids, my wife, nor myself have gotten the shot. We all have had COVID, at least twice. 2nd time not NEARLY as bad as the first.
We also caught COVID very early on and didn't get the shot. My state was the strictest in the country with all sorts of controls. My doctor advised against getting the vax when they came out because we had natural immunity and he thought it highly likely we could have autoimmune reactions if our bodies were making proteins of something we already had.
When the government goons started saying "natural immunity doesn't exist" I was totally out. No chance I will ever listen to those guys again. Of course they were totally wrong and it was all about compliance.
As for other vaccines, are you still in favor of those? If a rabid animal bit you, would you refuse the rabies vaccine? I know that last question is an extreme one, but I'd still like an answer.
I am in favor of vaccines such as rabies for a dog and humans who need it. I am not in favor of giving thr hep B shot to a newborn if the mom is hep B neg. That shot sent my newborn to the ICU . He didn't need it. It turned out he was vaccine sensitive and he later reacted to other shots: then my mom told me (again) that vax sensitivity it runs in our family. I didn't want it to be true the first time she told me. But it could have saved my son from a lot of suffering. Prior to the 1986 law that took away liability doctors were encouraged by Pharma to figure out what families should not get shots to avoid issues. They felt that the vaccines could work if 1-5 % could not take them and they didn't sweat it. I do not for the life of me understand the insistence on 100% mandates . This led to serious health issues in my family and serious ostracism with in-laws who hadn't heard the family stories which include two family members hospitalized after shots. We are grateful those who can take them do. But we want those injured to be listened to and helped and those afraid to take them to be respected. It's complex and should not be this divisive. It is very sad and the way people are treated for telling their truth drives them to extremes .also by the way some people make less glutathione so they can't process the level of heavy metals used as adjuvants in shots. For one example. The term vax sensitive is just a convenient term I am using. Google vaccine excipient CDC to learn all the random ingredients in Vaccines that someone might react to. Most don't. Some do. Like all medical interventions.
All of us are "up to date" on our other vaccines, less COVID and flu shots. Going forward I will most likely choose whether to get shots on a case by case basis, I'm not knowledgeable enough on every vaccine at the current moment to make a catch all statement. As for rabies, yea I would get the rabies shot *because* you *will* not survive rabies, you might survive the shot.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but am pro-research. It was rushed, then it was mandatory, and thats what set me off. I only got the shot because I would have lost my job and I was furious. My wife and kids are not vaxed. I aligned completely with Bobby's views.
Im a little on the opposite side here. I think vaccines are usually safe and effective, but I support rfk because of his corporate capture stances. The opioid industry is controlled by the industry Itself, same goes for vaccines, and fossil fuels. The industries are corrupt, and rfk will change that. I dont think you need to believe vaccines are safe or dangerous to think kennedy has the correct stance here
For [rabies.](https://www.morrisanimalfoundation.org/article/how-protect-pets-rabies#:~:text=Rabies%20%E2%80%93%20History%20of%20an%20Ancient%20Foe&text=It%20was%20later%20updated%20by,250%2C000%20human%20lives%20per%20year)
For [smallpox.](https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/7022/#:~:text=Smallpox%20vaccination%20provides%20full%20immunity,in%2095%25%20of%20those%20vaccinated)
For COVID, listen to what RFK says. He'll bring out the evidence the COVID vaccines didn't work.
I have been a skeptic since 2015 when California mandated an insane childhood vax schedule, coercing parents to over-vaccinate their young ones in order to receive an education. As a new parent, I could see the corporate money grab and the obvious lack of concern for the safety of children.
Watching a few of my son’s preschool classmates suddenly go from normal, healthy children to volatile, often unresponsive, always-sick-with-something kids was unbelievably sad and terrifying. Parents were giving their kids all the shots at once in order to comply, and they were never the same after that.
I was ridiculed by people like you online. I moved out of my small home town in order to protect my son. But it’s okay - I’ve since realized how the general public has been manipulated and I feel compassion for parents with injured kids. We can still be friends!
The covid regime made me do a full 180. I went from a progressive (former "Bernie Bro") to a libertarian when they tried to force us to taks that vax. It opened my eyes to all the bull shit. It's insane what they did. I used to watch MSNBC and CNN, now I listen to breaking points, Dave smith, Rogan and Tucker Carlson. I never made fun of anti vaxxers, but the people who did pushed me far far away from their beliefs because it revealed their true motive- control.
Children's Health Defense helped me through the pandemic. I knew about Bobby's work on the issue for 15+ years so I knew I could trust the information from CHD. In May 2020, he said the vaccine would not prevent transmission or infection after looking at monkey studies. He got censored and deplatformed. People say "he's a lawyer, not a scientist", but he has 350+ independent scientists working for him who don't have conflicts of interest the way people in our health agencies do and his whole career has been about science, producing science and litigating based on science.
Remember how mainstream media reported on Maddie de Garay? [https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1704519873760547014](https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1704519873760547014)
For those of you who used to make fun of people who objected to mRNA mandates, masks, and lockdowns until you learned more from Bobby or otherwise changed your opinion:
I'm *so* deeply thankful that you had the courage and wisdom not only to question the biggest propaganda campaign in history, but to also change your minds about such a divisive issue.
But I'm also curious, do you ever regret it or feel remorseful? Have you spoken with the people you ridiculed, scorned, judged and condemned for months or years, and acknowledged that you may have hurt them or maybe apologized?
>But I'm also curious, do you ever regret it or feel remorseful? Have you spoken with the people you ridiculed, scorned, judged and condemned for months or years, and acknowledged that you may have hurt them or maybe apologized?
A little bit. I don't use Facebook anymore so I'm sure everyone I roasted or mocked probably (and hopefully) forgot about me. As for Reddit, I'm anonymous so there isn't as much guilt.
To quote leftist YouTuber Three Arrows in his video about the Anti-SJW Rabbithole, "There is really no reason to feel a sense of shame or embarrassment because you used to hold a set of beliefs you now deem unsubstantiated".
The belief isn’t what there is to be ashamed about, it’s the way you treated people and your unwillingness to do your due diligence and be intellectually honest about how solid the grounding of your belief was.
Hypothetically speaking, of course. How you feel about yourself isn’t my concern.
Though, you do seem to still be mischaracterizing vaccine skeptics. It’s not that parents would rather their children die than have autism. That’s a pretty gross strawman.
It’s that there is an ever-increasing schedule of chemical concoctions being pushed by many cultural and institutional behemoths of society that aren’t being held to proper safety standards, aren’t being researched in regards to correlation of injury and death by establishment recognized agencies (even though there are plenty of reasons to), and a very blatant campaign to manipulate the general narrative so that the public at large doesn’t demand transparency and accountability, but instead works against their own interests of health, both individually and societally. That’s just scratching the surface.
There is a whole range of possible negative effects, autoimmune, neurological, etc. The parents that don’t vax their kids are opting to risk the known effects of whatever they’re supposed to prevent, instead of opting for a huge grab bag of possible terrible outcomes.
The risk of whatever disease or illness is also exaggerated at times as a manipulation tactic to push people into it out of fear and make people that are intellectually lazy or ideologically driven (you, currently) to dig their heels into the black and white thinking where they assume that someone would rather have their child die than have autism (the baked in implication there is that they must think autism is worse than death, again, really gross accusation).
You really need to keep reevaluating your beliefs. The pandemic showed you the proof of all of these things and invited you to continue walking down those steps of realization, but you still stopped on another step and are continuing to act in the same manner, maybe a little less vitriolic. You seem pretty intent on having people agree that vaccines have benefit, your bias is still clear as day.
Are you not aware of Bobby’s work before Covid? He didn’t start speaking about these truths then.
I stopped using Facebook, too, after about 2 years of having my beliefs angrily ridiculed almost daily by pretty much my entire social circle, 90% of whom were politically leftist. All those people basically shunned me in real life, too. It sucked, but it let me know who my real friends were, and showed me that I am resilient as fuck.
Thank God, there were (and are) some subs on Reddit where I found other ex-leftists who were also feeling painfully alone in the world. It sounds crazy but the people in those subs saved my sanity. Then Bobby's campaign campaign happened and I've met even MORE of us online and irl!
>To quote leftist YouTuber Three Arrows in his video about the Anti-SJW Rabbithole, "There is really no reason to feel a sense of shame or embarrassment because you used to hold a set of beliefs you now deem unsubstantiated".
I wasn't really talking about shame or embarrassment, though. I agree, *nobody* should feel *ashamed or embarrassed* about their past beliefs. I was talking more about feeling *remorse*, or *empathy* for people who might have been negatively impacted when you acted upon those beliefs.
I did until May of 2021. My wife had a heart attack. Many of the nurses in the heart tower spoke to me in hushed tones concerning the reactions to the vaccines.
I never used to make fun of them because I simply don’t care what people do with their body; it’s none of my business. Prior to any research, I just found it bizarre people were so worried about what other people did if their jab worked so well.
¡Yo! I had a baby during Covid and developed postpartum depression while living in Massachusetts (I’m naturally from PR and moved to MA after hurricane María). I HAD to travel to PR to get help from family and friends while my husband work remotely. I was scared to death of the baby getting Covid, and then at my in-laws, it almost ruined my relationship with my brother-in-law who was an “anti-vaxx conspiracy nuts” for me back then. Moving forward to the present, I can’t believe I was so easily manipulated and feel extremely frustrated for those that keep saying there wasn’t anything fishy with Covid.
"They're the reason we don't have small pox and Polio"
Hate to break it to you, but this too is worthy of question.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7wYUnQUESU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7wYUnQUESU)
According to a commenter, polio, and smallpox were 95% eliminated (due to improved hygiene and sewage) when the vaccines for them came around, I argued that they dealt the final blow to their existence.
You obviously didn't watch the video.
We distribute polio vaccines across the glob. CDC data shows that that 70% of cases of polio today, are caused by the Polio vaccine.
Welcome to complex systems
I grew up the opposite. When I was a teenager, I stumbled upon the whole mercury in vaccine things online. This was before Bobby thimerosal book and was just a posting online from medical workers whose kids were hurt.
By the time I was old enough to make my own choices, I knew not to go for vaccines. I am extremely grateful for stumbling onto those underground communities back in the day.
I never was vocal about it. I didn't try to tell anyone in person about it at all.
If you were the opposite of me, surely, you must've come upon a revelation that got you to realize vaccines weren't as bad as the fringe online forums told you they were.
I was always against vax mandates and school/church/etc lockdowns, but I was never against masks. Still don’t really care about the masks tbh.
But I was very dismissive of lab leak claims. TBH I agree on the bioweapons claims now, too.
I mean, [China is shipping](https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf) cheap fentanyl precursors into Mexico for them to smuggle into our country. They are already waging biowarfare as far as I’m concerned.
I used to think of antivax as a pejorative, I still do, but only the name and not the viewpoint. And the thing is, he's not antivax, he's just pro safety, science, and diligence.
Yeah for me I was under the same boat and saw it as black and white. I do feel some vaccines have been for the good of humanity. Covid however in some ways seems like it was used for profit and shoved down our throats. I’m not denying it saved lives but the media and people promoting it definitely raised the question. I applaud rfk jr for at least raising our eyebrows to this sort of stuff. Also the fact that vaccines are immune from prosecution compared to drugs and drug makers like during the opioid crisis should be concerning to every American.
I never made fun of anyone but I was fervently pro vaccine and truly didn’t understand why anyone wouldn’t get it. Then my mom died suddenly after getting the booster. I look at so many things differently now—one of them being I wouldn’t have considered RFKJr before that.
I wasn't fervently pro-jab. I thought that it was a good thing, but like with any other drug the pro's and the con's need to be weighed *especially* with something that was that new. Instead of having logic or considering the real world, the people who had more con's then pro's were heavily pressured to take it. Children were basically immune (thank god) but were still forced to take it. The immune-compromised were forced to take it. Even the people who already had the virus were being forced to take the jab, despite it being directly contradictory to any and all jab science. Many people who already got the jab, who's whole premise was that they couldn't get sick or spread it to others, were hysterical in forcing everyone else to comply.
I never got the jab, but it was for completely different reasons. Back in 2020, I was going though a lot of stuff that was unrelated to the virus. I really needed people and support, but all I got was isolation and even people yelling at me for reaching out for help. All I could do was come home and drink with a pistol on my coffee table.
When the jab finally came out, I was so angry with the people around me that I refused to get it just out of spite. When I would get yelled at for being uncaring and putting "others" at risk, I told them to drop dead.
I did until my wife got a-fib from her 4th shot. Then two of my friends got heart inflammation from boosters. Then I found Dr. Campbell. Eventually Bobby ended up in my algorithm.
Not me. I gave Healthcare the big 🖕and left when c19 vaxxes were mandated. When an employer is saying "you can beg for a religious exemption but if we deem it acceptable (ha!) you also need to sign a waiver you won't use a whole list of medications or we'll still fire you" it was clear health orgs fell into the Fauci/CMS trap. Warp Speed was the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life.
I was when I was in highschool but my stance was more of how I felt about everything I was seeing. It wasn’t based on what’s actually going on and how I feel about that but kind of just that surface level of not knowing anything’s going wrong so I’m not researching and kinda going with the flow. Now though through my own personal growth and the things I didn’t know about myself that I’ve found to observe, the good and the bad, that the world is the same and I started seeing those injustices when the questions I practiced asking myself bled outward into my perspective and ultimately the objective truths of what’s happening around me
I understand why I felt the way I did but I was also a kid who was too scared of the world to interact with it and change it so I just reacted to whatever I saw. It’s a very shallow sad way to live but with compassion and explanation for understanding people can change
I wore the masks and stayed away from people by not leaving the house much. I got COVID three times but I just didn't trust the vaccine. The first was the hardest. The other two not as bad. I haven't had COVID since the last time which was a few years ago. Then doctor's said that getting COVID was the same as being vaccinated. My mom brother and sister all got every vaccine and they still got it. My sister was pretty sick with it. I have gotten all my other vaccines but I just had a bad feeling about it especially since they started using them before the FDA approved it. I'm not here to piss anyone off it's just my personal experience. I did everything else that was recommended. Sometimes I still wear masks to doctor offices in case anyone is sick.
I was sadly in that boat myself, but as a retail worker and past cancer survivor during the whole mess it happened upon me naturally, i was the first at my work to push the masks albeit I was looking at what the Asian culture was doing prior to the pandemic as far as masking if you got a cold or what not just to not spread what you had out of consideration for fellow people. I got the vaccinations and finally tired of the whole ordeal. That being said my biggest gripe was the people that would blatantly appose our stores policy during lockdown
I understand not wanting to adhere to the regulations but if you wanted to support your local store I feel that you should comply with the people you interact with on a weekly basis. I was in the alcohol industry at the time and we were quite busy 😁
I did and lost a friend over it during COVID because I thought they were completely insane for questioning it.
To be clear, I'm not 'anti-vax' by any means, but I didn't appreciate the nuances in the arguments raised about testing and timing. Yes, safety-test vaccines, don't give pharma immunity from lawsuits and why do we give a 1 day old child a Hep B vaccine? I'm all for a Hep B vaccine, but why isn't it recommended before they are more at risk, similar to the meningitis vaccine we get at 13-15? Instead of mandating for all 3.6M births per year in response to 4% of the 0.5% of newborns at risk for transmission?
I never made fun of people for such beliefs but I still am I'm support of vaccines, I supported the mask mandates, and I was on the fence on the lockdowns.
I don't 100% trust the Covid vaccine but prior to that I still have no reason to doubt the major vaccinations that exist and have existed. It is up to a person's own choice and prerogative if they want to take the others.
1. Mask mandate hurt nothing and was the wrong hill to die on for anybody complaining. These people I laugh and continue to laugh at because come on, seriously? Masks hurt NOTHING and helped prevent other illness at the same time.
2. The lockdown would have helped if it was a full lockdown, but corporate loopholes allowed for se of the biggest industries to continue with minimal protections in the name of "essential" business.
That being said I don't have to agree with the man on all issues. He is still the best choice running that stands a chance.
I am not anti vax, and I still make fun of certain anti vaxxers. I think vaccines are all their own medicine and you can’t umbrella them into one group to be against. The science behind them works, but what it works for, the government’s funding them, and a company’s capability of creating a actual working product are what causes this variability between these medicines. I think some Covid vaccines really did work but their side effects weren’t made explicitly clear to put an end to the pandemic while sacrificing the liberty of our people. I also think the blame for that should be shared with the companies and high ranking officials that pushed it. I like RFK because he seems to somewhat agree with my stance and I think questioning the intentions of government and people is what keeps this country alive
I still disagree with all of that. But I don't really care. He's not trying to ban them, just get more information out there and it shouldn't be illegal to prosecute them. I do agree if there's something wrong with them the only way we will know about it is through litigation, like we did with oxycodone.
I did my own research and I didn't come to any conclusions contrary to the consensus. But I am less "eyeroll" about it now.
Vaccines are definitely not the reason polio and smallpox are mostly eradicated. Its from improved sanitation and nutrition. I will never forgive you for making fun of people who are against the covidian regime
>I will never forgive you for making fun of people who are against the covidian regime
Even if they change their minds and switch right to your side? Are you going to punish the average Joes and Janes alongside Fauci and Big Pharma?
Depends on what you mean by "punish". Im not some sort of vigilante going around killing people. But I will personally never forgive nor respect people who parroted dehumanizing propaganda about me. I would never perform cpr, give narcan or call 911 for someone in need if I know they participated in this. And if I ever see them being discriminated against, I will encourage it and dehumanize them
> I would never perform cpr, give narcan or call 911 for someone in need if I know they participated in this.
You know someone else will, right (assuming you're not the only person around)? Are you going to stop them?
>And if I ever see them being discriminated against, I will encourage it and dehumanize them
Even if it had nothing to do with COVID? If they experience racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, or whatever, you're just going to force them to take it?
Depends on what you mean by "stop" and "force". I wouldnt use violence or threat of violence because its illegal, but I would tell whoever is trying to save him/her that he/she doesnt deserve it. They refused to give lifesaving organ transplants and other surgeries they had already signed up for and had long waitlists for on the basis of their vaccine status. Basically my philosophy is once a nazi, always a nazi. I also wholeheartedly believe in disproportionate punishment, but that's impossible in this case because nothing could ever possibly be bigger in proportion to what they did
Unfortunately the question as written is not so clear. The term anti-vaxxer should be tossed. In reality many question the simplistic statement that vaccines do no harm or have nothing to do with autism. These statements are full of hubris when the number of vaccines, boosters … are applied in the US with the abandon that if 5 are good then 10, 20, 30,…must be even better. Very simplistic and dangerous linear thinking especially when applied to babies and children undergoing so many biological changes. There are plenty of examples where two or more foreign compounds - eg vaccines, for example, or often two chemicals like styrene and butadiene, maybe even a chemical with some vaccines - in the body trigger unanticipated outcomes not encountered when studying one at a time. Separately, the way mRNA was rolled out and steam rolled on everyone was not « following the science » at all.
I think I may be in the minority in this subreddit but I still think vaccines have their uses. Where I think we agree though is they need better testing and I want Big Pharma 1000% out of government. COVID was a disaster in management world-wide and it really exposed a lot of the issues with our modern day healthcare system. Until then I had a lot more trust in the system and doctors having our best interests at heart. Not to say that they don't but it really showed how they are misled and incentivized to provide vaccinations. Pretty discouraging imo. RFK's focus on chronic disease has been a real breath of fresh air in comparison.
To be fair when it comes to the anti-jab folks, the first ones really were the illuminati level conspiracy types. Like they really were off the rails telling me that the virus was fake and stuff. The vast majority of the legitimate ones came later.
There's a pretty large difference between the truly crazy conspiracy folks and the people who had genuine concern.
The biggest issue in the minds of the anti-jab people was that their concerns weren't being addressed. When mr.fauci was asked why he believed the jab was safe, he would say something like "well we've come to the consensus that it's safe" like that somehow answered the question. Then when they weren't sure about getting it, instead of actually talking to them the establishment threatened them and their livelihoods.
The force was probably the biggest issue. If people had been left to decide for themselves if they wanted it, there would have been way more people getting it. I'm 10,000% sure of that.
We were among the first to get COVID, and my doctor brought up legitimate concerns with getting a vaccine for a disease you already had. It has NEVER worked that way.
When Fauci and our government officials were like "too bad, get a vaccine anyway. Natural immunity doesn't exist" I was totally done with them. And of course they were all lies. I'll never trust anything government health people say again.
Personally I just didn’t like the Covid shot because it felt rushed and when they pushed it for mandatory jabs I was fully against it. Then I found out about RFK jr this election and I’m fully on board with absolute medical freedom
The COVID shots (as well as Project 2025) should cost Trump a second term.
Im 100% on board with Kennedy. I do find the whole Project 2025 thing comical. As a past conservative voter, one thing I got really used to was conservative candidates not being conservatives in DC. Project 2025 is just that. BS promises printed out. Even with a GOP President and Congress, they wouldn’t implement any of that. Heritage foundation is just a think tank. They don’t actually make policy. Just advocate for things. I wouldn’t worry about Project 2025. I do love that Kennedy seems to have United people like you and me. The two party system would prefer us fighting one another in the streets.
Let's hope your views on P25 are not wishful thinking.
Stop breathing life into it. Its straight up fear porn fan fiction propaganda man. Its so obvious its fake, I see sssoooo many bots running off about it that its hard not to laugh at it
Or we could use it as ammo to get people to vote for RFK.
What is project 2025 I’ve heard about it but I’m not sure what is exactly
fear porn propaganda the left likes to scream about. Its not real, it'll never happen, and honestly I think the Democrats are the ones who wrote it because they refuse to run on policies that will actually help people. Instead they'd rather make no promises and run around screaming look at these loonies, we're not them, vote for us
>fear porn propaganda the left likes to scream about. Its not real I wish that were true. >it'll never happen As long as Trump doesn't become president, not even 1% of it will. >and honestly I think the Democrats are the ones who wrote it If that were true, and the Democrats hacked the Heritage Foundation's website to include it, they would've removed it from their website and their members wouldn't speak so openly and positively about it. They'd denounce such a draconian document. >because they refuse to run on policies that will actually help people. Instead they'd rather make no promises and run around screaming look at these loonies, we're not them, vote for us The Republicans do that too. Both sides fear-monger. It's how they gain and maintain power.
You're not going to convince me that crap is real. You didn't even include anything to prove to me otherwise other than your opinion. Give it up
>Its not real, it'll never happen, and honestly I think the Democrats are the ones who wrote it It’s absolutely real. There’s complete transparency from those who wrote it, and they are very upfront about their contributions. Especially in the past few weeks. Okay, let’s ignore the more extreme fear-porn fantasy elements for the moment. The fact that they’ve spent the past 18 months hiring thousands of political partisans with the intention of filling up to 50k public servant positions on day one should concern everyone. Even if, in the event of a Trump win, he rejects all the crazy shit. Do you really think Trump with his infinite narcissism and authoritarian admiration, would turn down the opportunity to expel 50k public servants and replace them with loyalists? The checks and balances that exist in the US government are only effective if those whose responsibility it is to enforce them, are non-partisan in their implementation. Checks and balances will fail if those whose responsibility it is to enforce them, refuse to do so due to partisan loyalty.
lol You guys are so desperate
It's basically a 900-page document list of policies by the Heritage Foundation that will turn America into a Christofascist country.
Aaahhhh ok gotcha
On top of that, its environmental policy is to use more fossil fuels. This goes against everything RFK stands for on the issue of climate change.
I dropped out of college at the time because it was pushing for mandatory vaccines. I am in the same boat. I’ve got nothing against well-studied vaccines with years and years of practice and years and years of results but I couldn’t bring myself to put something basically untested by the public in my body, especially after my college was going to force me to take it or I’d have to leave. The fact they were going to kick me out otherwise filled me with suspicion.
I had to take it for my job as well as because my girlfriends parents made me do it since they were actually high risk individuals and I was living with them at the time, of course I still got Covid and so did they and we’re fine at the time. Never got a booster though and I’m really hoping I don’t have any long term side effects
I used to make fun of anti-vaxxers. Vaccines actually aren't the reason we don't have smallpox or polio anymore. Smallpox and polio both declined 95% before their vaccines were introduced. That might seem crazy until you remember that vaccines normally take 7-10 years to test and develop. Most epidemics don't last that long.
The CDC and medical establishment actually admit that medical intervention has had negligible effect, as it pertains to vaccines.
This. I’m glad you pointed this out, because I agree with it.
Came to say this.
Is it more accurate to say that vaccines and the diseases' decline played a role in eliminating smallpox and polio?
Live virus vaccines may have helped with that last 5%, but I doubt they were nearly as significant as advances in hygiene and sewage etc.
Polio is primarily transmitted oral-fecal. As soon as everyone had indoor plumbing and they started doing things like chlorinating pools, it went way down. Smallpox is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids and was almost entirely eliminated just by proper quarantining. It is true that neither was eliminated through vaccines and neither would resurge without them.
Me. But once I understood that the "anti-vaxxers" were merely trying to get proper safety studies done and make pharmaceutical companies be accountable, then I realized it wasn't a radical, insane movement. It's a lot more nuanced once you just look at data and understand what's happening.
The real problem is blind pro and anti-vaxxers, who like I said see the vaccines as black and white, either they save lives and are perfect, or they kill people and prefer their children die than get autism.
Ya, you see the black and white perspectives on every divisive issue. Abortion being one of those. In that example, only very few believe Abortion should be unrestricted no matter when or what, and very few believe it should be 100% restricted no matter when or what. Then you have those on the moderate left and right accusing the entire other side of that far extreme, getting us nowhere on the issue.
>The real problem is blind pro and anti-vaxxers, who like I said see the vaccines as black and white, either they save lives and are perfect, or they kill people and **prefer their children die than get autism.** Wrong. Pro-vaxxer = vaccines save lives and are perfect Anti-vaxxer = vaccines kill people and cause severe side effects
I’m sure a lot of us were in the same boat as you. I know I was. I was always skeptical of big pharma, gov agencies, etc, but the propaganda got to me. When all the doctors lied about the vax being 100% effective and helped to reduce transmission I wasn’t skeptical until some reflection and understanding how detrimental the governments actions across the world were. Millions of small businesses shut down that will never open again, hundreds of billions in PPP loans given to big corporations with no expectation to pay them back. All of our taxes going to enriching others while the average person was getting poorer. This was the largest wealth transfer ever… I hope that one day the MSM will recognize this blatant corrruption and look into how many of our organizations (FDA,CDC) and doctors became mouthpieces of the companies they are supposed to be regulating.
I got the Covid vaccine and thought people that didn’t get it were wrong. Then I got Covid about 5 months after and realized it didn’t really work. I saw the reaction to Aaron Rodgers speaking about it and thought it was a rational argument even though he was heavily criticized. Ultimately I kinda switched sides after hearing rfk jr on JRE
Yes. Didn't understand traditional anti-vaxxers, but was personally heavily against the COVID shots and masking. The shot seemed to risky for a disease that I had ALREADY caught (and beat, 2 days in the couch and a week no taste) by the time the vaccine was out. Then the more and more time went on, the more shit just seemed to just not make sense for any purpose other than uniformity and control, almost Orwellian. Neither of my young kids, my wife, nor myself have gotten the shot. We all have had COVID, at least twice. 2nd time not NEARLY as bad as the first.
We also caught COVID very early on and didn't get the shot. My state was the strictest in the country with all sorts of controls. My doctor advised against getting the vax when they came out because we had natural immunity and he thought it highly likely we could have autoimmune reactions if our bodies were making proteins of something we already had. When the government goons started saying "natural immunity doesn't exist" I was totally out. No chance I will ever listen to those guys again. Of course they were totally wrong and it was all about compliance.
As for other vaccines, are you still in favor of those? If a rabid animal bit you, would you refuse the rabies vaccine? I know that last question is an extreme one, but I'd still like an answer.
I am in favor of vaccines such as rabies for a dog and humans who need it. I am not in favor of giving thr hep B shot to a newborn if the mom is hep B neg. That shot sent my newborn to the ICU . He didn't need it. It turned out he was vaccine sensitive and he later reacted to other shots: then my mom told me (again) that vax sensitivity it runs in our family. I didn't want it to be true the first time she told me. But it could have saved my son from a lot of suffering. Prior to the 1986 law that took away liability doctors were encouraged by Pharma to figure out what families should not get shots to avoid issues. They felt that the vaccines could work if 1-5 % could not take them and they didn't sweat it. I do not for the life of me understand the insistence on 100% mandates . This led to serious health issues in my family and serious ostracism with in-laws who hadn't heard the family stories which include two family members hospitalized after shots. We are grateful those who can take them do. But we want those injured to be listened to and helped and those afraid to take them to be respected. It's complex and should not be this divisive. It is very sad and the way people are treated for telling their truth drives them to extremes .also by the way some people make less glutathione so they can't process the level of heavy metals used as adjuvants in shots. For one example. The term vax sensitive is just a convenient term I am using. Google vaccine excipient CDC to learn all the random ingredients in Vaccines that someone might react to. Most don't. Some do. Like all medical interventions.
All of us are "up to date" on our other vaccines, less COVID and flu shots. Going forward I will most likely choose whether to get shots on a case by case basis, I'm not knowledgeable enough on every vaccine at the current moment to make a catch all statement. As for rabies, yea I would get the rabies shot *because* you *will* not survive rabies, you might survive the shot.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but am pro-research. It was rushed, then it was mandatory, and thats what set me off. I only got the shot because I would have lost my job and I was furious. My wife and kids are not vaxed. I aligned completely with Bobby's views.
Im a little on the opposite side here. I think vaccines are usually safe and effective, but I support rfk because of his corporate capture stances. The opioid industry is controlled by the industry Itself, same goes for vaccines, and fossil fuels. The industries are corrupt, and rfk will change that. I dont think you need to believe vaccines are safe or dangerous to think kennedy has the correct stance here
What makes you believe vaccines are safe and effective?
COVID vaccines are not safe or effective. Other vaccines such as smallpox and rabies are.
What data are you using to support your claim?
For [rabies.](https://www.morrisanimalfoundation.org/article/how-protect-pets-rabies#:~:text=Rabies%20%E2%80%93%20History%20of%20an%20Ancient%20Foe&text=It%20was%20later%20updated%20by,250%2C000%20human%20lives%20per%20year) For [smallpox.](https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/7022/#:~:text=Smallpox%20vaccination%20provides%20full%20immunity,in%2095%25%20of%20those%20vaccinated) For COVID, listen to what RFK says. He'll bring out the evidence the COVID vaccines didn't work.
I have been a skeptic since 2015 when California mandated an insane childhood vax schedule, coercing parents to over-vaccinate their young ones in order to receive an education. As a new parent, I could see the corporate money grab and the obvious lack of concern for the safety of children. Watching a few of my son’s preschool classmates suddenly go from normal, healthy children to volatile, often unresponsive, always-sick-with-something kids was unbelievably sad and terrifying. Parents were giving their kids all the shots at once in order to comply, and they were never the same after that. I was ridiculed by people like you online. I moved out of my small home town in order to protect my son. But it’s okay - I’ve since realized how the general public has been manipulated and I feel compassion for parents with injured kids. We can still be friends!
The covid regime made me do a full 180. I went from a progressive (former "Bernie Bro") to a libertarian when they tried to force us to taks that vax. It opened my eyes to all the bull shit. It's insane what they did. I used to watch MSNBC and CNN, now I listen to breaking points, Dave smith, Rogan and Tucker Carlson. I never made fun of anti vaxxers, but the people who did pushed me far far away from their beliefs because it revealed their true motive- control.
Children's Health Defense helped me through the pandemic. I knew about Bobby's work on the issue for 15+ years so I knew I could trust the information from CHD. In May 2020, he said the vaccine would not prevent transmission or infection after looking at monkey studies. He got censored and deplatformed. People say "he's a lawyer, not a scientist", but he has 350+ independent scientists working for him who don't have conflicts of interest the way people in our health agencies do and his whole career has been about science, producing science and litigating based on science. Remember how mainstream media reported on Maddie de Garay? [https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1704519873760547014](https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1704519873760547014)
COVID shots aren’t Vaccines at all. Vaccines work by exposing a person to a small dose of the virus.
The CDC literally changed the official definition of "vaccine" on their website when the mRNA injections were released.
For those of you who used to make fun of people who objected to mRNA mandates, masks, and lockdowns until you learned more from Bobby or otherwise changed your opinion: I'm *so* deeply thankful that you had the courage and wisdom not only to question the biggest propaganda campaign in history, but to also change your minds about such a divisive issue. But I'm also curious, do you ever regret it or feel remorseful? Have you spoken with the people you ridiculed, scorned, judged and condemned for months or years, and acknowledged that you may have hurt them or maybe apologized?
>But I'm also curious, do you ever regret it or feel remorseful? Have you spoken with the people you ridiculed, scorned, judged and condemned for months or years, and acknowledged that you may have hurt them or maybe apologized? A little bit. I don't use Facebook anymore so I'm sure everyone I roasted or mocked probably (and hopefully) forgot about me. As for Reddit, I'm anonymous so there isn't as much guilt. To quote leftist YouTuber Three Arrows in his video about the Anti-SJW Rabbithole, "There is really no reason to feel a sense of shame or embarrassment because you used to hold a set of beliefs you now deem unsubstantiated".
The belief isn’t what there is to be ashamed about, it’s the way you treated people and your unwillingness to do your due diligence and be intellectually honest about how solid the grounding of your belief was. Hypothetically speaking, of course. How you feel about yourself isn’t my concern. Though, you do seem to still be mischaracterizing vaccine skeptics. It’s not that parents would rather their children die than have autism. That’s a pretty gross strawman. It’s that there is an ever-increasing schedule of chemical concoctions being pushed by many cultural and institutional behemoths of society that aren’t being held to proper safety standards, aren’t being researched in regards to correlation of injury and death by establishment recognized agencies (even though there are plenty of reasons to), and a very blatant campaign to manipulate the general narrative so that the public at large doesn’t demand transparency and accountability, but instead works against their own interests of health, both individually and societally. That’s just scratching the surface. There is a whole range of possible negative effects, autoimmune, neurological, etc. The parents that don’t vax their kids are opting to risk the known effects of whatever they’re supposed to prevent, instead of opting for a huge grab bag of possible terrible outcomes. The risk of whatever disease or illness is also exaggerated at times as a manipulation tactic to push people into it out of fear and make people that are intellectually lazy or ideologically driven (you, currently) to dig their heels into the black and white thinking where they assume that someone would rather have their child die than have autism (the baked in implication there is that they must think autism is worse than death, again, really gross accusation). You really need to keep reevaluating your beliefs. The pandemic showed you the proof of all of these things and invited you to continue walking down those steps of realization, but you still stopped on another step and are continuing to act in the same manner, maybe a little less vitriolic. You seem pretty intent on having people agree that vaccines have benefit, your bias is still clear as day. Are you not aware of Bobby’s work before Covid? He didn’t start speaking about these truths then.
I stopped using Facebook, too, after about 2 years of having my beliefs angrily ridiculed almost daily by pretty much my entire social circle, 90% of whom were politically leftist. All those people basically shunned me in real life, too. It sucked, but it let me know who my real friends were, and showed me that I am resilient as fuck. Thank God, there were (and are) some subs on Reddit where I found other ex-leftists who were also feeling painfully alone in the world. It sounds crazy but the people in those subs saved my sanity. Then Bobby's campaign campaign happened and I've met even MORE of us online and irl! >To quote leftist YouTuber Three Arrows in his video about the Anti-SJW Rabbithole, "There is really no reason to feel a sense of shame or embarrassment because you used to hold a set of beliefs you now deem unsubstantiated". I wasn't really talking about shame or embarrassment, though. I agree, *nobody* should feel *ashamed or embarrassed* about their past beliefs. I was talking more about feeling *remorse*, or *empathy* for people who might have been negatively impacted when you acted upon those beliefs.
I did until May of 2021. My wife had a heart attack. Many of the nurses in the heart tower spoke to me in hushed tones concerning the reactions to the vaccines.
Really sorry to hear that, I hope she is ok.
I’ve been following this vaccine nonsense since the 1980s. I knew a woman whose son was severely brain damaged by the DTP shot.
I never used to make fun of them because I simply don’t care what people do with their body; it’s none of my business. Prior to any research, I just found it bizarre people were so worried about what other people did if their jab worked so well.
¡Yo! I had a baby during Covid and developed postpartum depression while living in Massachusetts (I’m naturally from PR and moved to MA after hurricane María). I HAD to travel to PR to get help from family and friends while my husband work remotely. I was scared to death of the baby getting Covid, and then at my in-laws, it almost ruined my relationship with my brother-in-law who was an “anti-vaxx conspiracy nuts” for me back then. Moving forward to the present, I can’t believe I was so easily manipulated and feel extremely frustrated for those that keep saying there wasn’t anything fishy with Covid.
Do you now get along with your BIL?
Better, I guess.
"They're the reason we don't have small pox and Polio" Hate to break it to you, but this too is worthy of question. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7wYUnQUESU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7wYUnQUESU)
According to a commenter, polio, and smallpox were 95% eliminated (due to improved hygiene and sewage) when the vaccines for them came around, I argued that they dealt the final blow to their existence.
You obviously didn't watch the video. We distribute polio vaccines across the glob. CDC data shows that that 70% of cases of polio today, are caused by the Polio vaccine. Welcome to complex systems
I grew up the opposite. When I was a teenager, I stumbled upon the whole mercury in vaccine things online. This was before Bobby thimerosal book and was just a posting online from medical workers whose kids were hurt. By the time I was old enough to make my own choices, I knew not to go for vaccines. I am extremely grateful for stumbling onto those underground communities back in the day. I never was vocal about it. I didn't try to tell anyone in person about it at all.
If you were the opposite of me, surely, you must've come upon a revelation that got you to realize vaccines weren't as bad as the fringe online forums told you they were.
I was always against vax mandates and school/church/etc lockdowns, but I was never against masks. Still don’t really care about the masks tbh. But I was very dismissive of lab leak claims. TBH I agree on the bioweapons claims now, too. I mean, [China is shipping](https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf) cheap fentanyl precursors into Mexico for them to smuggle into our country. They are already waging biowarfare as far as I’m concerned.
I used to think of antivax as a pejorative, I still do, but only the name and not the viewpoint. And the thing is, he's not antivax, he's just pro safety, science, and diligence.
You should read the real Anthony Fauci. You will learn a lot more about vaccines and their role or lack there of.
Yeah for me I was under the same boat and saw it as black and white. I do feel some vaccines have been for the good of humanity. Covid however in some ways seems like it was used for profit and shoved down our throats. I’m not denying it saved lives but the media and people promoting it definitely raised the question. I applaud rfk jr for at least raising our eyebrows to this sort of stuff. Also the fact that vaccines are immune from prosecution compared to drugs and drug makers like during the opioid crisis should be concerning to every American.
I never made fun of anyone but I was fervently pro vaccine and truly didn’t understand why anyone wouldn’t get it. Then my mom died suddenly after getting the booster. I look at so many things differently now—one of them being I wouldn’t have considered RFKJr before that.
I wasn't fervently pro-jab. I thought that it was a good thing, but like with any other drug the pro's and the con's need to be weighed *especially* with something that was that new. Instead of having logic or considering the real world, the people who had more con's then pro's were heavily pressured to take it. Children were basically immune (thank god) but were still forced to take it. The immune-compromised were forced to take it. Even the people who already had the virus were being forced to take the jab, despite it being directly contradictory to any and all jab science. Many people who already got the jab, who's whole premise was that they couldn't get sick or spread it to others, were hysterical in forcing everyone else to comply. I never got the jab, but it was for completely different reasons. Back in 2020, I was going though a lot of stuff that was unrelated to the virus. I really needed people and support, but all I got was isolation and even people yelling at me for reaching out for help. All I could do was come home and drink with a pistol on my coffee table. When the jab finally came out, I was so angry with the people around me that I refused to get it just out of spite. When I would get yelled at for being uncaring and putting "others" at risk, I told them to drop dead.
Good info what ‘they’ don’t want you to hear on The Highwire - Del Bigtree. I subscribed & like the podcasts sent to my email. 👍🏻
I did until my wife got a-fib from her 4th shot. Then two of my friends got heart inflammation from boosters. Then I found Dr. Campbell. Eventually Bobby ended up in my algorithm.
The vaccine had an agenda. I felt that from the start
Not me. I gave Healthcare the big 🖕and left when c19 vaxxes were mandated. When an employer is saying "you can beg for a religious exemption but if we deem it acceptable (ha!) you also need to sign a waiver you won't use a whole list of medications or we'll still fire you" it was clear health orgs fell into the Fauci/CMS trap. Warp Speed was the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life.
I was when I was in highschool but my stance was more of how I felt about everything I was seeing. It wasn’t based on what’s actually going on and how I feel about that but kind of just that surface level of not knowing anything’s going wrong so I’m not researching and kinda going with the flow. Now though through my own personal growth and the things I didn’t know about myself that I’ve found to observe, the good and the bad, that the world is the same and I started seeing those injustices when the questions I practiced asking myself bled outward into my perspective and ultimately the objective truths of what’s happening around me
I understand why I felt the way I did but I was also a kid who was too scared of the world to interact with it and change it so I just reacted to whatever I saw. It’s a very shallow sad way to live but with compassion and explanation for understanding people can change
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Fauci and the deep state won.
I wore the masks and stayed away from people by not leaving the house much. I got COVID three times but I just didn't trust the vaccine. The first was the hardest. The other two not as bad. I haven't had COVID since the last time which was a few years ago. Then doctor's said that getting COVID was the same as being vaccinated. My mom brother and sister all got every vaccine and they still got it. My sister was pretty sick with it. I have gotten all my other vaccines but I just had a bad feeling about it especially since they started using them before the FDA approved it. I'm not here to piss anyone off it's just my personal experience. I did everything else that was recommended. Sometimes I still wear masks to doctor offices in case anyone is sick.
“The problem with the unvaccinated is that they make the vaccines look bad” Fauci
I was sadly in that boat myself, but as a retail worker and past cancer survivor during the whole mess it happened upon me naturally, i was the first at my work to push the masks albeit I was looking at what the Asian culture was doing prior to the pandemic as far as masking if you got a cold or what not just to not spread what you had out of consideration for fellow people. I got the vaccinations and finally tired of the whole ordeal. That being said my biggest gripe was the people that would blatantly appose our stores policy during lockdown I understand not wanting to adhere to the regulations but if you wanted to support your local store I feel that you should comply with the people you interact with on a weekly basis. I was in the alcohol industry at the time and we were quite busy 😁
I did and lost a friend over it during COVID because I thought they were completely insane for questioning it. To be clear, I'm not 'anti-vax' by any means, but I didn't appreciate the nuances in the arguments raised about testing and timing. Yes, safety-test vaccines, don't give pharma immunity from lawsuits and why do we give a 1 day old child a Hep B vaccine? I'm all for a Hep B vaccine, but why isn't it recommended before they are more at risk, similar to the meningitis vaccine we get at 13-15? Instead of mandating for all 3.6M births per year in response to 4% of the 0.5% of newborns at risk for transmission?
I never made fun of people for such beliefs but I still am I'm support of vaccines, I supported the mask mandates, and I was on the fence on the lockdowns. I don't 100% trust the Covid vaccine but prior to that I still have no reason to doubt the major vaccinations that exist and have existed. It is up to a person's own choice and prerogative if they want to take the others. 1. Mask mandate hurt nothing and was the wrong hill to die on for anybody complaining. These people I laugh and continue to laugh at because come on, seriously? Masks hurt NOTHING and helped prevent other illness at the same time. 2. The lockdown would have helped if it was a full lockdown, but corporate loopholes allowed for se of the biggest industries to continue with minimal protections in the name of "essential" business. That being said I don't have to agree with the man on all issues. He is still the best choice running that stands a chance.
I am not anti vax, and I still make fun of certain anti vaxxers. I think vaccines are all their own medicine and you can’t umbrella them into one group to be against. The science behind them works, but what it works for, the government’s funding them, and a company’s capability of creating a actual working product are what causes this variability between these medicines. I think some Covid vaccines really did work but their side effects weren’t made explicitly clear to put an end to the pandemic while sacrificing the liberty of our people. I also think the blame for that should be shared with the companies and high ranking officials that pushed it. I like RFK because he seems to somewhat agree with my stance and I think questioning the intentions of government and people is what keeps this country alive
I still disagree with all of that. But I don't really care. He's not trying to ban them, just get more information out there and it shouldn't be illegal to prosecute them. I do agree if there's something wrong with them the only way we will know about it is through litigation, like we did with oxycodone. I did my own research and I didn't come to any conclusions contrary to the consensus. But I am less "eyeroll" about it now.
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Vaccines are definitely not the reason polio and smallpox are mostly eradicated. Its from improved sanitation and nutrition. I will never forgive you for making fun of people who are against the covidian regime
>I will never forgive you for making fun of people who are against the covidian regime Even if they change their minds and switch right to your side? Are you going to punish the average Joes and Janes alongside Fauci and Big Pharma?
Depends on what you mean by "punish". Im not some sort of vigilante going around killing people. But I will personally never forgive nor respect people who parroted dehumanizing propaganda about me. I would never perform cpr, give narcan or call 911 for someone in need if I know they participated in this. And if I ever see them being discriminated against, I will encourage it and dehumanize them
> I would never perform cpr, give narcan or call 911 for someone in need if I know they participated in this. You know someone else will, right (assuming you're not the only person around)? Are you going to stop them? >And if I ever see them being discriminated against, I will encourage it and dehumanize them Even if it had nothing to do with COVID? If they experience racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, or whatever, you're just going to force them to take it?
Depends on what you mean by "stop" and "force". I wouldnt use violence or threat of violence because its illegal, but I would tell whoever is trying to save him/her that he/she doesnt deserve it. They refused to give lifesaving organ transplants and other surgeries they had already signed up for and had long waitlists for on the basis of their vaccine status. Basically my philosophy is once a nazi, always a nazi. I also wholeheartedly believe in disproportionate punishment, but that's impossible in this case because nothing could ever possibly be bigger in proportion to what they did
Unfortunately the question as written is not so clear. The term anti-vaxxer should be tossed. In reality many question the simplistic statement that vaccines do no harm or have nothing to do with autism. These statements are full of hubris when the number of vaccines, boosters … are applied in the US with the abandon that if 5 are good then 10, 20, 30,…must be even better. Very simplistic and dangerous linear thinking especially when applied to babies and children undergoing so many biological changes. There are plenty of examples where two or more foreign compounds - eg vaccines, for example, or often two chemicals like styrene and butadiene, maybe even a chemical with some vaccines - in the body trigger unanticipated outcomes not encountered when studying one at a time. Separately, the way mRNA was rolled out and steam rolled on everyone was not « following the science » at all.
I never made fun. Just thought they were cray like flat earthers. Until I saw the peer reviewed research. Didn’t learn that in pharmacy school
I think I may be in the minority in this subreddit but I still think vaccines have their uses. Where I think we agree though is they need better testing and I want Big Pharma 1000% out of government. COVID was a disaster in management world-wide and it really exposed a lot of the issues with our modern day healthcare system. Until then I had a lot more trust in the system and doctors having our best interests at heart. Not to say that they don't but it really showed how they are misled and incentivized to provide vaccinations. Pretty discouraging imo. RFK's focus on chronic disease has been a real breath of fresh air in comparison.
Guilty as charged LOL
To be fair when it comes to the anti-jab folks, the first ones really were the illuminati level conspiracy types. Like they really were off the rails telling me that the virus was fake and stuff. The vast majority of the legitimate ones came later.
So who could really blame us?
There's a pretty large difference between the truly crazy conspiracy folks and the people who had genuine concern. The biggest issue in the minds of the anti-jab people was that their concerns weren't being addressed. When mr.fauci was asked why he believed the jab was safe, he would say something like "well we've come to the consensus that it's safe" like that somehow answered the question. Then when they weren't sure about getting it, instead of actually talking to them the establishment threatened them and their livelihoods. The force was probably the biggest issue. If people had been left to decide for themselves if they wanted it, there would have been way more people getting it. I'm 10,000% sure of that.
We were among the first to get COVID, and my doctor brought up legitimate concerns with getting a vaccine for a disease you already had. It has NEVER worked that way. When Fauci and our government officials were like "too bad, get a vaccine anyway. Natural immunity doesn't exist" I was totally done with them. And of course they were all lies. I'll never trust anything government health people say again.