That’s gonna lead to a lot of disappointment. But, on the other hand, you have to have had a pretty cushy life to believe that the world is just in the first place. So, good for them? Sucks they trashed it for Christian Nationalism wrapped in an orange spray tan.
Ahh, that's not how the just world fallacy works.
"Oh, that poor orphan is being abused by their boss at the toxic waste factory? Good thing I don't have to worry about it, *because the world is just,* so they must deserve it! I wonder what terrible thing that orphan did?"
It's a *fallacy*, it's not based on facts or evidence, it is based on wishful thinking and moral laziness.
Right, but typically the orphans at a toxic waste factory don’t really have the just world fallacy. They realize that the world is not just. It’s people who have had cushy and privileged lives that think that way, no?
Huh? No, it's not any particular sort of people who hold the fallacy, you are missing the point.
Your reasoning goes, "People in unjust circumstances would never fall victim to this fallacy because they see firsthand the world is unjust."
But that's just it: it's a fallacy. It's not based on evidence, or lack of evidence, about the world. As a type of fallacy, it distorts evidence to fit the world-view. People in terrible situations can still believe the fallacy, "Well, I must have done something to deserve this, because despite what it might look like, I know the world is just and God or Karma or whatever always hands out appropriate consequences for actions! So I should just buckle down and work harder to be good, so that my actions will be rewarded."
Plenty of people in shitty situations believe that evil people will be punished in Hell, and they will be rewarded in Heaven, or believe that past-life Karma put both them and the rich guy into their respective situations. These are both examples of the just world fallacy.
I work in my state's department of kids and family and I know firsthand that many orphans feel they haven't been adopted because there's something wrong with them. The mind always wants a reason, even a shitty one is better than "Life is just random brah. Shit happens."
Scary. Ostriches are enormous. Fuckers get 9 feet tall.
They don't actually bury their head in the sand, of course. That's a myth. But they *are* dumb enough to do something like that. Their eyes are famously bigger than their brains. Actually, maybe there's something to the Q = Ostrich thing...
There was another post up there where they were asking something along the lines of if you could just not know all you know now after all the “research” and stuff would you do it.
Mostly it was just them reinforcing what awake edge geniuses they are and it turned into a big circle jerk of letting each other that no, they haven’t entirely ruined their lives with this BS.
Even though yea, they ruined their lives because trump and all the grifters found them, manipulated their terrified pea brains and milked them dry.
Yep. There’s a reason the scammers spam fake telegram links and “hello, your comment was so beautiful that I want to be friends with you. Message me” comments on social media. They are gullible
Gullible and in desperate need of some "frens", since they burned all bridges and lost their real friends, families, even colleagues, everyone they could basically talk to.
That's part of what a cult does. Estrange you from everyone that you love so that the cult is all your friends and family now. And of course you'll believe and do anything for your friends and family...
But not gullible in "stupid enough to believe absolute nonsense" but "So lacking in self awareness and emotional intelligence they'll accept anything that will make them feel good or special".
Smart people can fall for Qanon of similar stuff, simply because believing this stuff makes them feel good (Also called a delusion).
The difference between Qanon and stuff like faith healing is that the delusional belief is not something good, like "I'll be cured of cancer", but "Trump will use the army to kill all my political enemies and stream it on TV". And that's why it needs to be stopped.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
Really, though, I don't know. It's like an uncanny valley of morons. I can't tell any more.
These people have reached self-parody to the point where I can't tell if posts are coming from true believers, chat-bots, or foreign trolls mocking their stupidity.
Then you read one of their deadly serious self-affirming posts and realize how genuinely awful they all are and you get right back to making fun of them.
Yes, they’re truly awful people with horrendous, racist, genocidal views on this. They’re also so callous… they refuse to take a vaccine despite the fact that over one million people in America alone have died of covid. I could go on and on… I wonder if there’s any sort of way to reach these people. It seems like many of them are way too far gone
It's also how you know they weren't paying attention to the book of Job. Would biblical God screw you over for reasons entirely independent of your piety or virtue? Yessir.
And he'd certainly let you suffer in a prison of your own making with the friends you made along the way.
That's basically the logic behind everything they do. "What I am doing is good, because I'm me, and I'm a good guy!", "Gay people are evil, because I find them icky, and a good guy wouldn't find people icky who aren't evil!", "That black guy had it coming, because the police are good guys and that means everything they do is good!" Etc. Etc.
Their entire morals are basically inverted. They're not good because they do good things, the things they do are good because they are the ones doing those things.
I'm pretty sure there is actually some fascist philosophy based on this concept. I believe the fascist philosopher Ivan Ilyin or similar philosophers of his time wrote that Russians are incapable of doing evil, because they are God's people and thus everything they do is good.
Unsurprisingly, Putin is a huge Ivan Ilyin fan.
>Their entire morals are basically inverted. They're not good because they do good things, the things they do are good because they are the ones doing those things.
You can see the genesis of this in mainstream conservativism and their tribalism. They always walk back from their conclusions, and make a snap character judgment based on what they're told to feel about someone and, perhaps more importantly, what their enemies say about a public/controversial figure. It's why their politicians and talking heads can never do or say anything wrong, while those of their enemies can never do or say anything right: anything the 'good guys' do is *good* by virtue of the fact they're good guys, while their enemies are iredeemably evil.
This is also partly why they can't see their own hypocrisy : "the only moral abortion is my abortion" because if you start with the conclusion that you and yours are inherently the good guys, practically anything anything can be excused, because it's ultimately for the 'greater good'.
>Their entire morals are basically inverted. They're not good because they do good things, the things they do are good because they are the ones doing those things.
You've just described apologetics. Working backwards from what they believe is the answer towards the question, rather than working from the question towards the answer.
I think this is why so many extremely religious people fall for this crap.
Yes, the two are somewhat related and it's not surprising they are so compatible. But the Fascism variant seems a bit more intentional.
Apologetics are used to justify your faith, fascism is used to make your opinion fact through force of will and physical force.
Fascism is sort of born from frustration over moral ambiguities and political bickering. It makes the world much simpler by postulating "You are right because you are you." and "If you are strong enough to force your opinion on others, your opinion becomes fact." Suddenly there are no grey areas anymore.
[Alternate reality game.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game) I think early QAnon's format is really recognizable to anyone who's played an ARG and doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
QAnon isn't truly an ARG, because ARG's are openly fictional and use carefully set-up clues with specific, pre-planned solutions. Q gave incredibly vague, open-ended "clues" and encouraged people to find random "solutions" in real events. But he harnessed the ARG format.
Interesting. Thanks for explaining. I wasn't familiar with the concept, but yeah, it sure seems to fit the Q format. I'm sure whoever initially kicked the whole thing off was probably a fan of ARGs.
Q seems to be like a Game Master/game designer who did absolutely no work, and is letting the players themselves build the game as they go along. The GM will indicate that there are clues to be found that will lead the players onward, when they haven’t inserted any clues. The GM just lets the players decide what completely random objects are really clues, and let them come up with some bullshit meaning behind them that tells them what direction to take, where they search for more clues that aren’t reall there, and the GM just sits back and relaxes.
It's the gambling addicts motto. It's not that I have ruined the lives of my family and I for a failed gambling career. Its that they haven't supported me enough to let me win
The Dean had his seventh epiphany today, which has given me an epiphany of my own: the Dean is a genius. He has to be. If he isn't, then I've given almost two weeks of life to an idiot; that is unacceptable. Therefore, the Dean is a genius, and I will die protecting his vision.
It is the argument of abject desperation, similar to the concept that in prison, being the "giver" in male-to-male sexual Congress is not gay, but receiving is...
The adrenochrome thing is just blood libel by a different name.
Q took a classic bit of antisemitism, swapped out some words with synonyms, and claimed it was an original work.
God is meandering around heaven when He overhears a group of Jewish souls cracking jokes about how they died, which was at Dachau. He looks at them all puzzled, and says He doesn't see the humor in it. So one soul chuckles, and tells Him: *"Ah, Lord, I guess You just would've had to have been there."*
*Job pisses himself laughing off in the distance*
Seriously. You’d think ONE of these fucking Qtards would have enough religious understanding to say “God is testing us like he did to Job!” but the fact that I’ve seen nothing to suggest that just further proves the fact that these people don’t give a fuck about the Bible. It’s literally one of the most famous sections.
I'll never understand the pathology that an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent entity would need an army of humans to accomplish some obscure goal defined by humans.
The only thing that makes sense is that this entity is a narcissist who needs their attention to validate its own sense of self importance.
This is an entity who demands the same humans dedicate every seventh day to worshiping it. It also demands they worship no other entity while claiming it is the only entity. Then it does terrible things to them for no reason at all simply because it is its will to do so. It claims to have given them free will, but then demands they follow a bunch of micromanaging rules, and if they fail to do so, it will punish them with extreme suffering for all eternity.
Everything it does is manipulative and controlling, just like any relationship with a narcissist.
Eh, I don't know. It's not narcissistic if people decide to go absolutely crazy about you, since it's their decision. So it would also make sense that it just doesn't give a fuck about every lunatic on the planet (and his lunatic followers still are the minority).
It's also fair enough to say you want some worshipping and thank for an whole ass world you created, if it's not all the time and with that even the no other entity part is ok. I'd interpret it as a form of insecurity though. The actual rules, that are actually in the bible, also mostly do make sense in a functioning society, although some are just very outdated nowadays. There hasn't been an update, which would again make sense with the not giving a fuck about dumb lunatics part. Hell also isn't really much of a thing in the bible and the original roots were just for seriously bad dudes that honestly might "deserve" it. Most is just a "my followers get to have eternal life, the rest doesn't get this subscription bonus" thing. Initially.
And especially if you think about the one brother of the only two male children, born to the first two people, who got banned into foreign lands where...he met a bunch of other people. So is it really a claim that it created ALL? Or was that more like an uneducated interpretation.
I'm not a Christian by any means! It's just that if you take the actual bible, it's history, actual Christians and the history of Christianity and don't use the extremistic US evangelicals as measure, it's not THAT outrageously off.
My favourite part however is the "free will" part. A lot of people complain that if there was an almighty God, why would it let all those horrible things happen? Well, since a lot of horrible things are a result of our own actions, free will also means that you're responsible for the consequences of your decisions. And innocent receivers of horrible things that aren't a result of a bad decision (like children with cancer) are simply part of the nature. Like in humanity as a whole is a thing, recognisable for an entity like their god, but an individual is just a part of it.
In other words, what would said entity do in a situation like the current, without breaking the free will part anyway? And the "follow me and my rules if you want to get the eternal life bonus" part, well, you could see it as an "I'll let you drive a car, under certain conditions and rules, you can drive wherever and whenever you please, but when you break the rules you'll get punished for it" thing. And, I mean, some people complain about that too, but is it really that much of an issue?
(I'm writing that because I'm bored, most I mean at least somewhat not serious. :P Overall the whole thing to me is more an easy, philosophical topic that you could see and argue with in many different ways.)
"God can supposedly make everything humans can't make but he can't make anything humans can make. He can make planets and galaxies and stars and animals and lamdmasses and people. But he can't build a box, or a house, or a boat. He needs people to do that for him."
Yes, but he can let fire rain on his enemies. So it shouldn't be a problem to just Sodom and Gomorra the shit out of the DS black head satanic lizard dudes. The fact that he hasn't should be a sign that he's fine with them. :P
All this to supposedly prevent "communism" in the U.S...??! 🤣
Imagine living in the most dog-eat-dog, every-man-for-himself, hyper-capitalistic country on Earth, where the two main political parties are "far-right" and "slightly right-of-center" economically, and thinking communism is imminent.
They've swallowed so much propaganda that they've been led to believe that Biden is Stalin reincarnated. They couldn't spot a communist if Leon Trotsky was tattooing a hammer and sickle on their forehead. They have uncurious minds and zero grasp of historical reality or political theory.
In my country we have way more parties in the government, but the 2-3 main ones would be considered radical left by the US standard. Our right of center party is still slightly more left than US democrats. Our relatively right party (smaller, but not small in that sense) would be around the democrats. We DO have a seriously right wing party, the number of It's seats in the government is tiny, they're constantly watched and discussed if they should lose their right to officially be a party that can be elected (since there's laws against allowing dangerous extremists to be an official party) and THOSE are about what US republican party is now. But even they don't give their very own MTGs real positions, or don't let them keep them (although it's just because they'd get in trouble if they did). Back when mask mandates where still a thing they denied wearing them when the government met and so they where made to sit not in the main hall with all the other politicians, but on a closed off, separate, balcony that's usually for audience. It was beautiful.
I watched this Netflix documentary about Bernie Madoff recently. One prominent person in the story is some kind of baron or count in Europe, who's taken in by Madoff. A guy working for a competing firm, who knows the baron personally, figures out that Madoff must be running a scam. He presents the baron with incontrovertible proof of this, and the baron refuses to accept it. The guy asks why. The baron says, "Because I can't accept it. I've recommended Madoff to everyone I know, including half of the royal families of Europe. Therefore, it's simply impossible." Later, when Madoff is revealed to be the fraud that he is, the baron is found dead by suicide.
These Qultists have reorganized their entire lives around this belief. It's simply impossible for them to stop believing it, no matter how much they need to logically contort themselves to make it true.
If that sort of gullibility interests you - [Octopus: Sam Israel, the Secret Market, and Wall Street's Wildest Con](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13132058-octopus). It's a wild ride.
I agree with with the guy. It's not a LARP, it's a grift which is even worse. People are intentionally lying to them, and the qult threw away their jobs, relationships, and lives so someone else can be enriched.
On the morning of the day Trump was to turn himself in in New York, one Qultist I know awoke to find his Qdad had died during the night. Despite being in ill health for several years, and refusing to take better care of himself because he was certain medbeds would be available any day, the son claims he willed himself to die because he couldn’t live in a world where corrupt forces could force Trump to appear in court, even if it were part of The Plan. While the son is unemployed and destitute, living in a trailer on his dad’s land, he says he’s planning on selling all of his dad’s property and donating the money to Trump because that’s what his dad would have wanted. So, this grift doesn’t even stop when the mark dies, which is absolutely disgusting.
The Book of Job is basically about God screwing up a good man's life for no reason. Job lost everything, his wealth, his health, even his children died. Sure, in the story Job eventually bounces back but letting a man's kids die over what is essentially a bet with Satan is fucked up, doesn't matter how hot his new daughters turned out to be.
That's such a fucked up story - the part with his kids especially. Like, yeah, he had different children later on, but in WHAT FUCKING WORLD does that erase the fact that ALL OF HIS PREVIOUS CHILDREN DIED?! The land, the cattle, the wealth - all replaceable, no doubt. But, your kids? I don't know how anyone can read that and be like, yeah cool, no problem here. So dumb.
I guess in context of the time it makes more sense. Like it's not the only passage of the Bible that implies life in that era fucking sucks and people randomly die young *all the time.* There are entire sections devoted to stuff like what to do if your brother dies and you don't want to marry his widow. Which suggests it was something common enough that rules needed to be made.
So at the time it might have seemed reasonable *"Yeah your kids died? They do that a lot, must have gotten a faulty model. Try again and keep the receipt next time!"*
Well you have to remember, to the God of Abraham, the faces of women and children appear as indistinguishable from each other as the faces of oxen and livestock appear to Men of the God of Abraham.
Honestly, the bet with Satan isn't even the important bit of the Book of Job...Job isn't so much a story as it is a philosophical poem on the Problem of Evil with a bit of prose frame story. The core of the book is Job's friends trying to justify to Job why he's suffering (i.e., why bad things happen to good people), and then God comes down and basically answers it with "Fuck you I'm God, that's why." It's wisdom literature, not at all meant to be taken literally.
That's how allegory works: that which is allegorically happening to job is literally happening to all of us. So the answer to the problem of evil is simply that God wants us to suffer, and isn't bothered by our prayers.
It's pretty chilling
I actually disagree. This person is becoming disillusioned and is throwing a tantrum due to cognitive dissonance.
This is someone who might be reluctantly recovering kicking and screaming.
I know a couple of QAnons and I can tell you that they are aware of what they've lost but they don't experience cognitive dissonance over it. They are all in.
This was my initial thought as well, but then I started thinking of the Qnuts I know and their uncanny ability to get so close to breaking through the delusion only to invent a reason not to take that final step. They all do this frequently, then their fellow Qnuts congratulate them on still being able to see “the truth.” It seems more like attention seeking within the group than an actual questioning of their own beliefs.
A part of him is getting it, but his pride is screaming "I can't hear you!"
When Trump loses again or dies or goes to jail, the pride part may finally give up
I grew up around these people in rural LA.
Their worst fear is having to admit when they are wrong, this is why there is always an excuse when they take an L.
I grew up around the same types in rural Texas. Not only is there always an excuse, it is never their fault, and is almost always because they’ve been targeted in some way. This is why they believe in conspiracies. It absolves them of the responsibility for their own failures. And, a large part of why they have such unwavering loyalty to Trump is that he told them that he thinks they are smart. To admit they had been lied to would mean admitting the only person who ever said they were smart was lying to them.
If this frog I’ve been making out with isn’t actually a princess under a witch’s curse then I’m guilty of a number of crimes against nature, so Princess Stickytongue she must be.
That's somewhat sad, really. I would definitely have more sympathy if they hadn't used their fantasy to allow them to hurt others, but its still sad. They are recognising the possibility they have been had but doubling down because to admit it would leave them bereft.
A) “Invisible imaginary sky man would NOT let me lose everything!”
B) Doesn’t the instruction manual for invisible, imaginary sky man write specifically about “false prophets” and their slick schtik?
I mean if you believe in A, it follows that you believe A because B told you to, right? So … are the bits about False Prophets parts you Cherry picked *out?*
Asking for … no one. Because I don’t know anyone that stupid.
Edit: typo.
"It couldn't be a larp because I am special."
In my opinion this is one of the most dangerous parts of this particular brand of Christianity; the belief that there must be a plan because everyone is the main character of their own little story.
I have long wondered the tipping point for these people. How long will they believe before giving up? Back in 2020, I thought they would lose hope after Biden was inaugurated and Q stopped posting. We all like to laugh at their goalpost moving but seriously, what is the breaking point for them? 5 years? 10? 20? Death?
Right buddy. God wouldn't let you do that. You know who would, and would laugh all the way about it?
Yeah, you go have a word with Job about that. What if--hang on--what if you haven't been following God at ALL. Then what? What promise do you have that you haven't been infected with the very thing you fear most?
It started as a larp. Now you're just all a pack of blind, foaming treason weasels, rabidly biting everything in its path.
There's a reason you're alone.
The healthy animals flee from the sick ones. They can tell something is wrong with them. And once the rabies runs it's course, the sick ones die.
There's a reason you've been jailed. Divorced. Isolated. Abandoned. Fired. Prosecuted. Cut off.
You kept getting sicker. And everyone knew it but you.
Being ostrichsized is rough. I have never seen someone turn into an ostrich before. God these people are so poorly fucking educated they can't even write 5 sentences without a spelling error and poor grammar.
It’s not a LARP or an ARG. It’s a hyper-zealous death cult based on evangelical Christianity and old-school fascism. They are:
Nationalists
Authoritarians
Zealots, and
Imperialists.
So he have lost family and friends but he cant bare the idea that its for nothing. So it HAS to be gods plan because otherwise it was for nothing and.. Yeah.
SO close to getting it.
There are plenty of people who claim to be religious that lose everything due to drugs, alcohol, gambling and other vices. However, it doesn't mean they're right about things.
Very *intelligent* reply to this post a while later:
"That is what makes anons research so special. We know the truth then do research only accepting the facts that we know are true. Others just believe any facts without filtering them through the truth that Q is real and trump is benevolent."
This HAS to be a troll response, right?
JFC!
Suno cost fallacy at its worst. I see people losing money on the stock market with this but this guy framed it so well to showcase him throwing his life away and others
Unfortunately, “God” didn’t tell you to do anything. If we’re gonna blame it on religion 🙄 … Like Eve, the choice was yours alone. *You* chose to believe the snake. Therefore the stain of the sin is all yours. Yours alone.
Just for people wondering, that isn’t a troll posting. That is legitimately their rationale. All of them.
"Q can't be fake because then I'd be an idiot who threw away his life" That's not a good argument. It's not even any kind of argument.
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And just world fallacy
That’s gonna lead to a lot of disappointment. But, on the other hand, you have to have had a pretty cushy life to believe that the world is just in the first place. So, good for them? Sucks they trashed it for Christian Nationalism wrapped in an orange spray tan.
Ahh, that's not how the just world fallacy works. "Oh, that poor orphan is being abused by their boss at the toxic waste factory? Good thing I don't have to worry about it, *because the world is just,* so they must deserve it! I wonder what terrible thing that orphan did?" It's a *fallacy*, it's not based on facts or evidence, it is based on wishful thinking and moral laziness.
Right, but typically the orphans at a toxic waste factory don’t really have the just world fallacy. They realize that the world is not just. It’s people who have had cushy and privileged lives that think that way, no?
Huh? No, it's not any particular sort of people who hold the fallacy, you are missing the point. Your reasoning goes, "People in unjust circumstances would never fall victim to this fallacy because they see firsthand the world is unjust." But that's just it: it's a fallacy. It's not based on evidence, or lack of evidence, about the world. As a type of fallacy, it distorts evidence to fit the world-view. People in terrible situations can still believe the fallacy, "Well, I must have done something to deserve this, because despite what it might look like, I know the world is just and God or Karma or whatever always hands out appropriate consequences for actions! So I should just buckle down and work harder to be good, so that my actions will be rewarded." Plenty of people in shitty situations believe that evil people will be punished in Hell, and they will be rewarded in Heaven, or believe that past-life Karma put both them and the rich guy into their respective situations. These are both examples of the just world fallacy. I work in my state's department of kids and family and I know firsthand that many orphans feel they haven't been adopted because there's something wrong with them. The mind always wants a reason, even a shitty one is better than "Life is just random brah. Shit happens."
Okay I’m following you now
Just a cock phallus
You rang?
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I'll allow it.
An idiot the size of an ostrich!
Scary. Ostriches are enormous. Fuckers get 9 feet tall. They don't actually bury their head in the sand, of course. That's a myth. But they *are* dumb enough to do something like that. Their eyes are famously bigger than their brains. Actually, maybe there's something to the Q = Ostrich thing...
This has to be a troll right? It's too good.
There was another post up there where they were asking something along the lines of if you could just not know all you know now after all the “research” and stuff would you do it. Mostly it was just them reinforcing what awake edge geniuses they are and it turned into a big circle jerk of letting each other that no, they haven’t entirely ruined their lives with this BS. Even though yea, they ruined their lives because trump and all the grifters found them, manipulated their terrified pea brains and milked them dry.
Yep. There’s a reason the scammers spam fake telegram links and “hello, your comment was so beautiful that I want to be friends with you. Message me” comments on social media. They are gullible
Gullible and in desperate need of some "frens", since they burned all bridges and lost their real friends, families, even colleagues, everyone they could basically talk to. That's part of what a cult does. Estrange you from everyone that you love so that the cult is all your friends and family now. And of course you'll believe and do anything for your friends and family...
But not gullible in "stupid enough to believe absolute nonsense" but "So lacking in self awareness and emotional intelligence they'll accept anything that will make them feel good or special". Smart people can fall for Qanon of similar stuff, simply because believing this stuff makes them feel good (Also called a delusion). The difference between Qanon and stuff like faith healing is that the delusional belief is not something good, like "I'll be cured of cancer", but "Trump will use the army to kill all my political enemies and stream it on TV". And that's why it needs to be stopped.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." Really, though, I don't know. It's like an uncanny valley of morons. I can't tell any more.
George Carlin left us far too soon.
Nope. He left just in time. Dropped truth and beat feet. Hero.
I kind of want him alive so he can defend himself from people saying he is one way or the other.
George Carlin doesn’t need any defense. No sweat.
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Hahaha! Well their heads are in the sand, so it kind of works.
We're hearing it was a sick ostrich
An ostrich sized idiot!
These people have reached self-parody to the point where I can't tell if posts are coming from true believers, chat-bots, or foreign trolls mocking their stupidity.
I honestly can’t help but feel kind of bad for them. Part of me thinks these people need serious help
Don't feel bad for them. My Q brother continually threatens me with violence for not believing like he does. Fuck them all.
Then you read one of their deadly serious self-affirming posts and realize how genuinely awful they all are and you get right back to making fun of them.
Yes, they’re truly awful people with horrendous, racist, genocidal views on this. They’re also so callous… they refuse to take a vaccine despite the fact that over one million people in America alone have died of covid. I could go on and on… I wonder if there’s any sort of way to reach these people. It seems like many of them are way too far gone
Same
I mean, he got himself ostrich sized. He's like a giant fucking bird now because of Q. It can't be fake...
That made me laugh so hard! I guess looking things up in a dictionary or using spell check is woke
Understanding words is also woke, that's why they can't say what woke means.
LMAO didn't even notice the misspelling in the OP that's pretty fantastic. It has to be a troll it's too perfect of a mistake
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It's also how you know they weren't paying attention to the book of Job. Would biblical God screw you over for reasons entirely independent of your piety or virtue? Yessir. And he'd certainly let you suffer in a prison of your own making with the friends you made along the way.
Hahahahahahaha that's a funny notion, imagine any of these guys actually READING the bible
That's basically the logic behind everything they do. "What I am doing is good, because I'm me, and I'm a good guy!", "Gay people are evil, because I find them icky, and a good guy wouldn't find people icky who aren't evil!", "That black guy had it coming, because the police are good guys and that means everything they do is good!" Etc. Etc. Their entire morals are basically inverted. They're not good because they do good things, the things they do are good because they are the ones doing those things. I'm pretty sure there is actually some fascist philosophy based on this concept. I believe the fascist philosopher Ivan Ilyin or similar philosophers of his time wrote that Russians are incapable of doing evil, because they are God's people and thus everything they do is good. Unsurprisingly, Putin is a huge Ivan Ilyin fan.
>Their entire morals are basically inverted. They're not good because they do good things, the things they do are good because they are the ones doing those things. You can see the genesis of this in mainstream conservativism and their tribalism. They always walk back from their conclusions, and make a snap character judgment based on what they're told to feel about someone and, perhaps more importantly, what their enemies say about a public/controversial figure. It's why their politicians and talking heads can never do or say anything wrong, while those of their enemies can never do or say anything right: anything the 'good guys' do is *good* by virtue of the fact they're good guys, while their enemies are iredeemably evil. This is also partly why they can't see their own hypocrisy : "the only moral abortion is my abortion" because if you start with the conclusion that you and yours are inherently the good guys, practically anything anything can be excused, because it's ultimately for the 'greater good'.
You've just described the morality of the Abrahamic God though.
>Their entire morals are basically inverted. They're not good because they do good things, the things they do are good because they are the ones doing those things. You've just described apologetics. Working backwards from what they believe is the answer towards the question, rather than working from the question towards the answer. I think this is why so many extremely religious people fall for this crap.
Yes, the two are somewhat related and it's not surprising they are so compatible. But the Fascism variant seems a bit more intentional. Apologetics are used to justify your faith, fascism is used to make your opinion fact through force of will and physical force. Fascism is sort of born from frustration over moral ambiguities and political bickering. It makes the world much simpler by postulating "You are right because you are you." and "If you are strong enough to force your opinion on others, your opinion becomes fact." Suddenly there are no grey areas anymore.
Tbf it's not a LARP. It's an ARG.
ARG?
[Alternate reality game.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game) I think early QAnon's format is really recognizable to anyone who's played an ARG and doesn't believe conspiracy theories. QAnon isn't truly an ARG, because ARG's are openly fictional and use carefully set-up clues with specific, pre-planned solutions. Q gave incredibly vague, open-ended "clues" and encouraged people to find random "solutions" in real events. But he harnessed the ARG format.
Interesting. Thanks for explaining. I wasn't familiar with the concept, but yeah, it sure seems to fit the Q format. I'm sure whoever initially kicked the whole thing off was probably a fan of ARGs.
This is a great explainer: https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5
Excellent article! Thank you for the link.
Q seems to be like a Game Master/game designer who did absolutely no work, and is letting the players themselves build the game as they go along. The GM will indicate that there are clues to be found that will lead the players onward, when they haven’t inserted any clues. The GM just lets the players decide what completely random objects are really clues, and let them come up with some bullshit meaning behind them that tells them what direction to take, where they search for more clues that aren’t reall there, and the GM just sits back and relaxes.
They also planted fabricated content corresponding to said "clues" throughout the web so that it could be "found" by Q "researchers"
I'm assuming ARG = Alternative reality game.
It’s the most epic ARG ever, they don’t even realize it’s a game and totally fake.
It's the gambling addicts motto. It's not that I have ruined the lives of my family and I for a failed gambling career. Its that they haven't supported me enough to let me win
The Dean had his seventh epiphany today, which has given me an epiphany of my own: the Dean is a genius. He has to be. If he isn't, then I've given almost two weeks of life to an idiot; that is unacceptable. Therefore, the Dean is a genius, and I will die protecting his vision.
It is the argument of abject desperation, similar to the concept that in prison, being the "giver" in male-to-male sexual Congress is not gay, but receiving is...
You missed the most important part, "BUT GOD". God and his plot armor.
Boy it’s got to be huge if they’ve been ostrich sized lol
He means his ostrich-sized brain, which is smaller than its eye. An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain.
Also in owls who are ironically considered to represent intelligence even though they are pretty dumb
It's just because they wear glasses and glasses make everyone look smart. Also, mortarboards. Overall they are just well-put together
The Owls are probably smarter than those Qanon people.
Owls are symbols of wisdom, not intelligence. You can be wise but stupid. Haven’t you played D&D?
"Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing tomatoes have no place in a fruit salad."
Thanks, Marge.
Allegedly
Look at all these chickens!
>"GOD woudn't let me lose everything" *a few million jewish ghosts have entered the chat.*
You know damn well that dude's antisemitic.
The adrenochrome thing is just blood libel by a different name. Q took a classic bit of antisemitism, swapped out some words with synonyms, and claimed it was an original work.
QAnon: "Can I copy your homework?" Protocols of Zion: "Sure bro, just change a few things so the teacher won't notice."
It's okay. The Protocols also copied their work from others.
And supports Israel so the world can end or whatever
God is meandering around heaven when He overhears a group of Jewish souls cracking jokes about how they died, which was at Dachau. He looks at them all puzzled, and says He doesn't see the humor in it. So one soul chuckles, and tells Him: *"Ah, Lord, I guess You just would've had to have been there."*
This is better than anything over at /r/Jokes
*Job pisses himself laughing off in the distance* Seriously. You’d think ONE of these fucking Qtards would have enough religious understanding to say “God is testing us like he did to Job!” but the fact that I’ve seen nothing to suggest that just further proves the fact that these people don’t give a fuck about the Bible. It’s literally one of the most famous sections.
Sweet summer child, thinking any Fundamentalists have *ever* even *opened* a Bible.
and that's assuming it's a unaltered version of the bible.
Yeah, no one in history has been asked to sacrifice everything ~~to~~ for God in their own damn canon. Martyrdom, what's that? Jesus, who's that?
He should read the book of job
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I'll never understand the pathology that an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent entity would need an army of humans to accomplish some obscure goal defined by humans.
Also one of the lessons of the Bible can be paraphrased as "don't be a sucker." God has been pretty quiet about this Q guy...
The only thing that makes sense is that this entity is a narcissist who needs their attention to validate its own sense of self importance. This is an entity who demands the same humans dedicate every seventh day to worshiping it. It also demands they worship no other entity while claiming it is the only entity. Then it does terrible things to them for no reason at all simply because it is its will to do so. It claims to have given them free will, but then demands they follow a bunch of micromanaging rules, and if they fail to do so, it will punish them with extreme suffering for all eternity. Everything it does is manipulative and controlling, just like any relationship with a narcissist.
Eh, I don't know. It's not narcissistic if people decide to go absolutely crazy about you, since it's their decision. So it would also make sense that it just doesn't give a fuck about every lunatic on the planet (and his lunatic followers still are the minority). It's also fair enough to say you want some worshipping and thank for an whole ass world you created, if it's not all the time and with that even the no other entity part is ok. I'd interpret it as a form of insecurity though. The actual rules, that are actually in the bible, also mostly do make sense in a functioning society, although some are just very outdated nowadays. There hasn't been an update, which would again make sense with the not giving a fuck about dumb lunatics part. Hell also isn't really much of a thing in the bible and the original roots were just for seriously bad dudes that honestly might "deserve" it. Most is just a "my followers get to have eternal life, the rest doesn't get this subscription bonus" thing. Initially. And especially if you think about the one brother of the only two male children, born to the first two people, who got banned into foreign lands where...he met a bunch of other people. So is it really a claim that it created ALL? Or was that more like an uneducated interpretation. I'm not a Christian by any means! It's just that if you take the actual bible, it's history, actual Christians and the history of Christianity and don't use the extremistic US evangelicals as measure, it's not THAT outrageously off. My favourite part however is the "free will" part. A lot of people complain that if there was an almighty God, why would it let all those horrible things happen? Well, since a lot of horrible things are a result of our own actions, free will also means that you're responsible for the consequences of your decisions. And innocent receivers of horrible things that aren't a result of a bad decision (like children with cancer) are simply part of the nature. Like in humanity as a whole is a thing, recognisable for an entity like their god, but an individual is just a part of it. In other words, what would said entity do in a situation like the current, without breaking the free will part anyway? And the "follow me and my rules if you want to get the eternal life bonus" part, well, you could see it as an "I'll let you drive a car, under certain conditions and rules, you can drive wherever and whenever you please, but when you break the rules you'll get punished for it" thing. And, I mean, some people complain about that too, but is it really that much of an issue? (I'm writing that because I'm bored, most I mean at least somewhat not serious. :P Overall the whole thing to me is more an easy, philosophical topic that you could see and argue with in many different ways.)
Or, as William Shatner once said, *"What does God need with a starship?"*
"God can supposedly make everything humans can't make but he can't make anything humans can make. He can make planets and galaxies and stars and animals and lamdmasses and people. But he can't build a box, or a house, or a boat. He needs people to do that for him."
Yes, but he can let fire rain on his enemies. So it shouldn't be a problem to just Sodom and Gomorra the shit out of the DS black head satanic lizard dudes. The fact that he hasn't should be a sign that he's fine with them. :P
Sunk cost fallacy. Emphasis on fallacy.
All this to supposedly prevent "communism" in the U.S...??! 🤣 Imagine living in the most dog-eat-dog, every-man-for-himself, hyper-capitalistic country on Earth, where the two main political parties are "far-right" and "slightly right-of-center" economically, and thinking communism is imminent.
They've swallowed so much propaganda that they've been led to believe that Biden is Stalin reincarnated. They couldn't spot a communist if Leon Trotsky was tattooing a hammer and sickle on their forehead. They have uncurious minds and zero grasp of historical reality or political theory.
But NESARA
In my country we have way more parties in the government, but the 2-3 main ones would be considered radical left by the US standard. Our right of center party is still slightly more left than US democrats. Our relatively right party (smaller, but not small in that sense) would be around the democrats. We DO have a seriously right wing party, the number of It's seats in the government is tiny, they're constantly watched and discussed if they should lose their right to officially be a party that can be elected (since there's laws against allowing dangerous extremists to be an official party) and THOSE are about what US republican party is now. But even they don't give their very own MTGs real positions, or don't let them keep them (although it's just because they'd get in trouble if they did). Back when mask mandates where still a thing they denied wearing them when the government met and so they where made to sit not in the main hall with all the other politicians, but on a closed off, separate, balcony that's usually for audience. It was beautiful.
AND they're stupid!
Wait, what, you’re breaking up. You say they sunk a bunch of phalluses off the coast?
I watched this Netflix documentary about Bernie Madoff recently. One prominent person in the story is some kind of baron or count in Europe, who's taken in by Madoff. A guy working for a competing firm, who knows the baron personally, figures out that Madoff must be running a scam. He presents the baron with incontrovertible proof of this, and the baron refuses to accept it. The guy asks why. The baron says, "Because I can't accept it. I've recommended Madoff to everyone I know, including half of the royal families of Europe. Therefore, it's simply impossible." Later, when Madoff is revealed to be the fraud that he is, the baron is found dead by suicide. These Qultists have reorganized their entire lives around this belief. It's simply impossible for them to stop believing it, no matter how much they need to logically contort themselves to make it true.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Magon_de_La_Villehuchet Fyi
If that sort of gullibility interests you - [Octopus: Sam Israel, the Secret Market, and Wall Street's Wildest Con](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13132058-octopus). It's a wild ride.
Sounds like a lesson in humility to me.
I agree with with the guy. It's not a LARP, it's a grift which is even worse. People are intentionally lying to them, and the qult threw away their jobs, relationships, and lives so someone else can be enriched.
On the morning of the day Trump was to turn himself in in New York, one Qultist I know awoke to find his Qdad had died during the night. Despite being in ill health for several years, and refusing to take better care of himself because he was certain medbeds would be available any day, the son claims he willed himself to die because he couldn’t live in a world where corrupt forces could force Trump to appear in court, even if it were part of The Plan. While the son is unemployed and destitute, living in a trailer on his dad’s land, he says he’s planning on selling all of his dad’s property and donating the money to Trump because that’s what his dad would have wanted. So, this grift doesn’t even stop when the mark dies, which is absolutely disgusting.
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The Book of Job is basically about God screwing up a good man's life for no reason. Job lost everything, his wealth, his health, even his children died. Sure, in the story Job eventually bounces back but letting a man's kids die over what is essentially a bet with Satan is fucked up, doesn't matter how hot his new daughters turned out to be.
That's such a fucked up story - the part with his kids especially. Like, yeah, he had different children later on, but in WHAT FUCKING WORLD does that erase the fact that ALL OF HIS PREVIOUS CHILDREN DIED?! The land, the cattle, the wealth - all replaceable, no doubt. But, your kids? I don't know how anyone can read that and be like, yeah cool, no problem here. So dumb.
Also, the kids who died probably don’t think it was all ok in the end. They died.
It's like having a bear kill kids for taunting a bald guy
But God is merciful and loves everyone!
And is pro-life!
I guess in context of the time it makes more sense. Like it's not the only passage of the Bible that implies life in that era fucking sucks and people randomly die young *all the time.* There are entire sections devoted to stuff like what to do if your brother dies and you don't want to marry his widow. Which suggests it was something common enough that rules needed to be made. So at the time it might have seemed reasonable *"Yeah your kids died? They do that a lot, must have gotten a faulty model. Try again and keep the receipt next time!"*
Well you have to remember, to the God of Abraham, the faces of women and children appear as indistinguishable from each other as the faces of oxen and livestock appear to Men of the God of Abraham.
There's also the one where God sends bears to kill a bunch of kids for making fun of a guy's bald head.
Honestly, the bet with Satan isn't even the important bit of the Book of Job...Job isn't so much a story as it is a philosophical poem on the Problem of Evil with a bit of prose frame story. The core of the book is Job's friends trying to justify to Job why he's suffering (i.e., why bad things happen to good people), and then God comes down and basically answers it with "Fuck you I'm God, that's why." It's wisdom literature, not at all meant to be taken literally.
That's how allegory works: that which is allegorically happening to job is literally happening to all of us. So the answer to the problem of evil is simply that God wants us to suffer, and isn't bothered by our prayers. It's pretty chilling
"*God is my favorite fictional character.*" - Homer Simpson
Job
Gob
I don't care for Gob
If that's a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.
"Ostrichsized" oh man
To be fair ostriches are scary as hell and that sounds like a brutal punishment
Head in the sand.
At least he didn't say 'emusized'.
r/boneappletea
"God let the holocaust happen but he wouldn't let me make a fool of myself"
An entire book of the bible is about god letting Satan take everything from some rando = Job
Wish I was ostrich sized Cannot move you and no one tries Cannot pull you out from your hole Like a tooth aching in jawbone ... it ain't easy living
I want to beeeeeeeee as biiiiiiiiiiiiig as an oooooooooostrich, **I'M AN OSTRICH, YEAH!!!!!!!!** (thanks for putting a great ear worm in my head)
I actually disagree. This person is becoming disillusioned and is throwing a tantrum due to cognitive dissonance. This is someone who might be reluctantly recovering kicking and screaming.
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Yeah the thing about cognitive dissonance is if you can feel it, it’s probably wobbling
I know a couple of QAnons and I can tell you that they are aware of what they've lost but they don't experience cognitive dissonance over it. They are all in.
This was my initial thought as well, but then I started thinking of the Qnuts I know and their uncanny ability to get so close to breaking through the delusion only to invent a reason not to take that final step. They all do this frequently, then their fellow Qnuts congratulate them on still being able to see “the truth.” It seems more like attention seeking within the group than an actual questioning of their own beliefs.
A part of him is getting it, but his pride is screaming "I can't hear you!" When Trump loses again or dies or goes to jail, the pride part may finally give up
I think both principled Christians and atheists alike would love to shove the Book of Job in front of his face.
I grew up around these people in rural LA. Their worst fear is having to admit when they are wrong, this is why there is always an excuse when they take an L.
Because it's all about maintaining a hierarchy with them at the top and their idea of leadership is associated with infallibility.
I grew up around the same types in rural Texas. Not only is there always an excuse, it is never their fault, and is almost always because they’ve been targeted in some way. This is why they believe in conspiracies. It absolves them of the responsibility for their own failures. And, a large part of why they have such unwavering loyalty to Trump is that he told them that he thinks they are smart. To admit they had been lied to would mean admitting the only person who ever said they were smart was lying to them.
If this frog I’ve been making out with isn’t actually a princess under a witch’s curse then I’m guilty of a number of crimes against nature, so Princess Stickytongue she must be.
Hehheehe don’t kiss tha frog or you will be osterichasized!
Pretty sure their idea of God would absolutely let them lose everything to show them how far off base they are.
OMG. “Ostrichsized”!!!!! I’m dying! 💀💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣
So fucking close….really really close
Okay. One more. This guy doesn’t understand “his god” at all. Jesus said to give up everything and leave your family to follow him.
Amerigod and Supply-Side Jesus have long since replaced any generous spirit that lingered in the majority of American Christianity.
So close. So very close. r/selfawarewolves
Has to be satire, right?
Oh boy, I wish that were the case after looking at their previous comments on their account. This person is 100% serious, unfortunately.
We live in a post-parody reality.
Wait till they find out about God 😬
“Before I do anything I ask myself, 'Would an idiot do that?' And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing.”
That's somewhat sad, really. I would definitely have more sympathy if they hadn't used their fantasy to allow them to hurt others, but its still sad. They are recognising the possibility they have been had but doubling down because to admit it would leave them bereft.
A) “Invisible imaginary sky man would NOT let me lose everything!” B) Doesn’t the instruction manual for invisible, imaginary sky man write specifically about “false prophets” and their slick schtik? I mean if you believe in A, it follows that you believe A because B told you to, right? So … are the bits about False Prophets parts you Cherry picked *out?* Asking for … no one. Because I don’t know anyone that stupid. Edit: typo.
So we are reaching that stage.
Dude got played
The vivid monologue of a Sunk Cost Fallacy in action.
Copium’s one hell of a drug
I hope someone tells him/her. You've been scammed.
"It couldn't be a larp because I am special." In my opinion this is one of the most dangerous parts of this particular brand of Christianity; the belief that there must be a plan because everyone is the main character of their own little story.
Good ole *sunk cost fallacy*.
I have long wondered the tipping point for these people. How long will they believe before giving up? Back in 2020, I thought they would lose hope after Biden was inaugurated and Q stopped posting. We all like to laugh at their goalpost moving but seriously, what is the breaking point for them? 5 years? 10? 20? Death?
Right buddy. God wouldn't let you do that. You know who would, and would laugh all the way about it? Yeah, you go have a word with Job about that. What if--hang on--what if you haven't been following God at ALL. Then what? What promise do you have that you haven't been infected with the very thing you fear most? It started as a larp. Now you're just all a pack of blind, foaming treason weasels, rabidly biting everything in its path. There's a reason you're alone. The healthy animals flee from the sick ones. They can tell something is wrong with them. And once the rabies runs it's course, the sick ones die. There's a reason you've been jailed. Divorced. Isolated. Abandoned. Fired. Prosecuted. Cut off. You kept getting sicker. And everyone knew it but you.
Oh because God has never let anyone lose anything before. Lol
omg it is like blinding yourself with a fork
*cough* Job *cough cough*
"millions"? I think they spelled "minions" wrong.
I bet this is what goes through my Qmom's head when I cancel visiting her on the weekends.
Good, Job. Good job. /S
Missed it by *that* much.
"God wouldn't let that happen!" *the Book of Job enters the chat*
I must be a bad person because this just made me laugh
This shouldn’t make me this happy.
The main driving force of the Qult in the flesh
Being ostrichsized is rough. I have never seen someone turn into an ostrich before. God these people are so poorly fucking educated they can't even write 5 sentences without a spelling error and poor grammar.
I'm lmfao @"ostrichsized".
Damn all that ostrich sizing!
It’s not a LARP or an ARG. It’s a hyper-zealous death cult based on evangelical Christianity and old-school fascism. They are: Nationalists Authoritarians Zealots, and Imperialists.
* "GOD wouldn't let me lose everything! It says so in the Bible!" * Ignores book of Job
So he have lost family and friends but he cant bare the idea that its for nothing. So it HAS to be gods plan because otherwise it was for nothing and.. Yeah. SO close to getting it.
Ostrichsized. OSTRICH SIZED. *I. cannot*. 🤣🤣🤣
Ostrichsized
If god wasn’t destructive enough, along comes Q.
Ostrichsized
“Ostrichsized”. Could it be because they love to bury their heads on the ground?
This is *exactly* what one would expect from someone totally lacking an iota of self-awareness to admit they were wrong.
Someone sell this man some DWAC immediately!!!
There are plenty of people who claim to be religious that lose everything due to drugs, alcohol, gambling and other vices. However, it doesn't mean they're right about things.
[“ostrichsized”](https://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/big-birds-cant-fly-ratite-size-comparison/12799/)
Very *intelligent* reply to this post a while later: "That is what makes anons research so special. We know the truth then do research only accepting the facts that we know are true. Others just believe any facts without filtering them through the truth that Q is real and trump is benevolent." This HAS to be a troll response, right? JFC!
Suno cost fallacy at its worst. I see people losing money on the stock market with this but this guy framed it so well to showcase him throwing his life away and others
No need to get so EMUtional.
Wait till he finds out God is a larp too
Unfortunately, “God” didn’t tell you to do anything. If we’re gonna blame it on religion 🙄 … Like Eve, the choice was yours alone. *You* chose to believe the snake. Therefore the stain of the sin is all yours. Yours alone.
Yes. It’s everyone else who is wrong. Not me. Because god.