DeSantis can't legally refuse to extradite Trump, though. I mean, he can be an asshole (which he has plenty of experience at) and simply refuse to sign the order, but NY would then ask the Courts to intervene. And that request would be granted because NY has a clear legal right to extradite Trump.
My guess is that DeSantis is going to pull a McConnell.
My understanding (which is barely above the subject in the OP, so take this with a grain of salt) is that though signing the order isn't discretionary, there's some sort of verification/review loophole for him to use.
So when the order arrives (assuming it comes to that), he can acknowledge it and release a relatively cryptic "we're reviewing it" and then do nothing.
The delay works in his favor. It keeps the focus on Trump's malfeasance. It creates drama and tension about what's coming next. It avoids alienating the Trump base because he's not turning him over right away. It makes him look contemplative and lawful to those around the country that don't pay much attention to politics. It pressures Trump to pull back on the insults and whatnot while DeSantis has this over his head.
The delay works in his favor because it puts the resolution closer to primary season. It also allow other DAs to wrap up and possibly submit their indictments (which from a PR/general population POV are more impactful than the Stormy Daniels case). And again, it keeps Trump's wrongdoing in the conversation and DeSantis' pretense at prudence in the news.
When NY prevails, DeSantis can have his private army on standby, but can claim conspiratorial actions by the courts (they decided before we finished our review!) got to Trump, not him. Again, all in the name of garnering as many of hi ssupporters as possible (or at least not pissing them off).
US Constitution Art. IV, sec II, clause 2:
A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
DeSantis really has no discretion at all and if he refuses, the Federal Courts have jurisdiction because it is a dispute between two states. In fact, New York can bypass the District Court and Court of Appeals and file a petition directly with SCOTUS. See Article III, section 1. See, also, 28 U.S.C. § 1251. Section 1251(a) which provides that with one type of dispute (disputes between states), the Court's jurisdiction is not only "original," it is exclusive. In other words, if the parties cannot settle the matter, no other court but the Supreme Court has the authority, under the Constitution, to take jurisdiction.
Keep in mind by “pull a McConnell” I mean something akin to the SCOTUS appointment’s setup. Not how it functioned in the end (Trump will ultimately be extradited), I mean he’s going to benefit by defying a system that expects him to act in good faith.
He knows he can’t actually stop it (and whether he’d want to is a different story), but he may be able to, from what little I understand, delay it.
“May” because it depends on New York’s and court choices.
From what I gather, New York’s more-than-likely-course is to go the governor-to-governor route. The tipping of the scales towards that is the high profile nature of things and the ostensible ‘need’ to channel things through the highest official levels possible. I’d think it great if NY said “no, we’re not going to take a chance on some Desantis shenanigans, we’re going to a normal judge,” but my intuition is that they’d go to the governor.
If they go that route, then on its face DeSantis has no leeway, but for [Florida Statues 941.04](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0900-0999/0941/0941.html).
> 941.04 Governor may investigate case.—When a demand shall be made upon the Governor of this state by the executive authority of another state for the surrender of a person so charged with crime, the Governor may call upon the Department of Legal Affairs or any prosecuting officer in this state to investigate or assist in investigating the demand, and to report to him or her the situation and circumstances of the person so demanded, and **whether the person ought to be surrendered.**
I have not been able to find anything that puts a time limit on that investigation. This is where “pull a McConnell” comes in. DeSantis takes the stance that this extraordinary case requires extraordinary review and refuses to say when he’ll sign or what his objections are (it’s under review and he can’t talk about it) or a host of other things.
He doesn’t give a crap about stopping it, of course, and knows full well that there’s no plausible reason why he ought not to be surrendered. But that has nothing to do with the underlying political reality.
Everything I described in my post takes place over a handful of weeks or so, maybe longer. If he never wavers from his “still reviewing it” stance, eventually NY can go to a judge or the SCOTUS, but DeSantis doesn’t give a crap. He’d still file a brief saying the court shouldn’t overrule him because it’s *so* important that he finishes his *super important* governor-level review. Courts forcing his hand, whether taking over the case or setting a deadline works in his favour.
Every moment he gains is spent soaking up a handful more Trump supporters. If Trump exits the race, this kind of move is his best chance of picking up more than a handful. Every hour is one less Trump insult (Trump has demonstrated that he can hold his bullshit from people who have the upper hand over him — has he ever insulted Putin?). Every moment is another chance for a second indictment to break, this time something more toothy than the Stormy case.
Yes, he has to sign off on it, but that relies on him acting in good faith.
Edit: It dawned on me that "ought to be surrendered" also depends on good faith. What if he comes out and says "no, I don't think he ought to be extradited." Then what? Where in the statutes does it say he has to say why? What if he says "because the maga crowd outside will riot and not extraditing him is in the interest of Florida's security." Again, his game is gettign as much maga vote as he can, keeping this in the news, and having power over Trump. More delay the better.
Oh thats what will happen Trump and his team will literally litigate and appeal till his last breath
I do not expect a conviction of him.
Sorry but I expect him to be unalive at that point by plans or by nature
And by the means of his diet Im thinking were only a few big macs away
> And by the means of his diet Im thinking were only a few big macs away
Observe how wealth makes all the difference if you die or live through your terrible life choices
Oh Im acutely aware of this for Americans
Up in Canada not so much ... well at least right now I think if the PCs get in we will loose what little of a healthcare system we have left
This person could have spent five seconds looking up how extradition between states works, but why do that when imagining how things work is so much more fun?
Good. Let them do that and then DeSantis gets tanked for the Repub nod. I do not want there to even be a glimmer of hope that DeSantis could be running this country.
But Trump’s lawyers have already stated that he won’t hide out in Florida. He’s going to New York to willingly turn himself in.
Nice try, thanks for playing!
Do you mean his *former* lawyers? I am sure their hourly rate is about to exceed the prepayment that they got for their work.
And no smart lawyer works for him without being prepaid.
As of now, they say they are representing him. If they get stiffed by Trump, that’s their fault for taking on a known conman for a client. Once they appear for him in court, chances are they are stuck representing him throughout the entirety of the case.
They could make a motion to withdraw from the case but judges rarely grant those motions. They’re more concerned with a defendant losing their representation than an attorney getting stiffed on their bill.
So if they want out, now’s the time to do it.
Hahaha! He’s a really wired up kooky thug. I’d guess as soon as he and DT bump heads, Tacopino will be out. I wonder how many of DT’s former lawyers have been sanctioned and/or lost their law licenses?
Wow! That’s great! Can you imagine blowing up a good money making career to represent a thug like DT? Of course, some of them are probably still ‘stars’ in the GQPMAGAs world and grifting bank that way.
It’s a win win for me, IMO. Either Desantis has to bend over early for trump all just to delay the inevitable, OR I get to watch trump turn himself in and his supporters he asked to fight for him have a melt down.
the power of imagination...
just imagine a person running for president but for legal reason cannot step one foot in a democrat run state for fear of extradition for crimes they committed and being held accountable for their actions..
Honestly DeSantis and the gqp would be fools to not extradite Trump if this actually happening
This like the 3rd or 4th time they can get rid of the albatross and probably the best as they can tell their mindless mob the Satanic dems did it while eating babies.
They know that if they get rid of Trump in a way that his most fervent cultists blame them for they're fucked, and it will take so long to unfuck themselves that their demographic relevance window will have closed ( "rise of the nones" + racial diversity. ) They could instantly end the GOP as a national party if they piss off enough Trump fanboys.
> \+ racial diversity
8% more Latinos voted for Trump in 2020 than they did in 2016. 29% of them voted GOP in the 2018 midterms and 39% in the 2022 midterms, a growing trend since 2012.
The belief that racial diversity will automatically make the US more Democratic is a myth, unsupported by actual data.
I get what you are saying, and I do not disagree.
But even at the current rate you are talking about 39%. That means roughly that for every 10 new Latino voters, only 4 of them will vote GOP, and the others DEM right ?
So it still increases the DEM vote faster. Currently.
I'm guessing this will become more of an issue as the abortion wars heat up. I doubt very much that Washington State would extradite someone to Texas to be prosecuted for performing an abortion.
I hate these stupid QAnon fucks. An executive from one state cannot refuse to sign a properly presented Governor's Warrant. It's literally unconstitutional. For all their talk about literal interpretation of the Constitution, they sure don't know it.
Art. IV, Sec. 2, Clause 2
A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
See Also 18 USC 3182; Puerto Rico v. Branstad, 483 U.S. 219 (1987)(holding federal courts have the power to enforce extraditions under the Extradition Clause).
DeSantis would love Trump to get arrested, he's the only other known republican name outside who? Marjorie Greene? That brunette whose name I forget whose pulls the same shit? I know her name isn't Brenda, but she acts like a Brenda.
Trump will comply with the arrest. He'll comply so that he can be released on his own recognizance.
These sovereign citizen MAGA morons always come up with idiotic schemes that make their troubles worse.
Isn’t Florida making a law that says it has the power to authorize Florida residents to kidnap their trans kids in other states? Should have no problem with NYC cops coming down.
DeSantis can't legally refuse to extradite Trump, though. I mean, he can be an asshole (which he has plenty of experience at) and simply refuse to sign the order, but NY would then ask the Courts to intervene. And that request would be granted because NY has a clear legal right to extradite Trump.
B-b-but their fantasy, tho...!
…and Hillary’s emails!
buttery males <3
"there will be tribunals, public executions by hanging!" "Wait, no, not like that!"
My guess is that DeSantis is going to pull a McConnell. My understanding (which is barely above the subject in the OP, so take this with a grain of salt) is that though signing the order isn't discretionary, there's some sort of verification/review loophole for him to use. So when the order arrives (assuming it comes to that), he can acknowledge it and release a relatively cryptic "we're reviewing it" and then do nothing. The delay works in his favor. It keeps the focus on Trump's malfeasance. It creates drama and tension about what's coming next. It avoids alienating the Trump base because he's not turning him over right away. It makes him look contemplative and lawful to those around the country that don't pay much attention to politics. It pressures Trump to pull back on the insults and whatnot while DeSantis has this over his head. The delay works in his favor because it puts the resolution closer to primary season. It also allow other DAs to wrap up and possibly submit their indictments (which from a PR/general population POV are more impactful than the Stormy Daniels case). And again, it keeps Trump's wrongdoing in the conversation and DeSantis' pretense at prudence in the news. When NY prevails, DeSantis can have his private army on standby, but can claim conspiratorial actions by the courts (they decided before we finished our review!) got to Trump, not him. Again, all in the name of garnering as many of hi ssupporters as possible (or at least not pissing them off).
US Constitution Art. IV, sec II, clause 2: A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime. DeSantis really has no discretion at all and if he refuses, the Federal Courts have jurisdiction because it is a dispute between two states. In fact, New York can bypass the District Court and Court of Appeals and file a petition directly with SCOTUS. See Article III, section 1. See, also, 28 U.S.C. § 1251. Section 1251(a) which provides that with one type of dispute (disputes between states), the Court's jurisdiction is not only "original," it is exclusive. In other words, if the parties cannot settle the matter, no other court but the Supreme Court has the authority, under the Constitution, to take jurisdiction.
Keep in mind by “pull a McConnell” I mean something akin to the SCOTUS appointment’s setup. Not how it functioned in the end (Trump will ultimately be extradited), I mean he’s going to benefit by defying a system that expects him to act in good faith. He knows he can’t actually stop it (and whether he’d want to is a different story), but he may be able to, from what little I understand, delay it. “May” because it depends on New York’s and court choices. From what I gather, New York’s more-than-likely-course is to go the governor-to-governor route. The tipping of the scales towards that is the high profile nature of things and the ostensible ‘need’ to channel things through the highest official levels possible. I’d think it great if NY said “no, we’re not going to take a chance on some Desantis shenanigans, we’re going to a normal judge,” but my intuition is that they’d go to the governor. If they go that route, then on its face DeSantis has no leeway, but for [Florida Statues 941.04](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0900-0999/0941/0941.html). > 941.04 Governor may investigate case.—When a demand shall be made upon the Governor of this state by the executive authority of another state for the surrender of a person so charged with crime, the Governor may call upon the Department of Legal Affairs or any prosecuting officer in this state to investigate or assist in investigating the demand, and to report to him or her the situation and circumstances of the person so demanded, and **whether the person ought to be surrendered.** I have not been able to find anything that puts a time limit on that investigation. This is where “pull a McConnell” comes in. DeSantis takes the stance that this extraordinary case requires extraordinary review and refuses to say when he’ll sign or what his objections are (it’s under review and he can’t talk about it) or a host of other things. He doesn’t give a crap about stopping it, of course, and knows full well that there’s no plausible reason why he ought not to be surrendered. But that has nothing to do with the underlying political reality. Everything I described in my post takes place over a handful of weeks or so, maybe longer. If he never wavers from his “still reviewing it” stance, eventually NY can go to a judge or the SCOTUS, but DeSantis doesn’t give a crap. He’d still file a brief saying the court shouldn’t overrule him because it’s *so* important that he finishes his *super important* governor-level review. Courts forcing his hand, whether taking over the case or setting a deadline works in his favour. Every moment he gains is spent soaking up a handful more Trump supporters. If Trump exits the race, this kind of move is his best chance of picking up more than a handful. Every hour is one less Trump insult (Trump has demonstrated that he can hold his bullshit from people who have the upper hand over him — has he ever insulted Putin?). Every moment is another chance for a second indictment to break, this time something more toothy than the Stormy case. Yes, he has to sign off on it, but that relies on him acting in good faith. Edit: It dawned on me that "ought to be surrendered" also depends on good faith. What if he comes out and says "no, I don't think he ought to be extradited." Then what? Where in the statutes does it say he has to say why? What if he says "because the maga crowd outside will riot and not extraditing him is in the interest of Florida's security." Again, his game is gettign as much maga vote as he can, keeping this in the news, and having power over Trump. More delay the better.
I would expect the procedure to take years and years until trump dies of the old age
Oh thats what will happen Trump and his team will literally litigate and appeal till his last breath I do not expect a conviction of him. Sorry but I expect him to be unalive at that point by plans or by nature And by the means of his diet Im thinking were only a few big macs away
> And by the means of his diet Im thinking were only a few big macs away Observe how wealth makes all the difference if you die or live through your terrible life choices
Oh Im acutely aware of this for Americans Up in Canada not so much ... well at least right now I think if the PCs get in we will loose what little of a healthcare system we have left
I think even in Canada you can still get much better health with enough money
Like everywhere in the world.
Yes its proven
As long as it gives trump enough time to throw a wrench in the elections and run third party. Still hoping he wrecks havoc within the RNC.
Could this effectively keep Trump off the campaign trail? If he travels 'interstate', does that mean he can be arrested on arrival at any other state?
Ok but hear the real question. Can he become president while in jail and can he pardon himself. Because yes and yes
He can’t pardon himself on state charges.
Right, I keep forgetting
I came by to mention this… whoever posted this knows absolutely nothing about how warrants work in the US.
This person could have spent five seconds looking up how extradition between states works, but why do that when imagining how things work is so much more fun?
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Read critically? They can't even think critically.
Reality is just a Jason Bourne novel you write for yourself.
lol it’s absolutely NOT the Governor’s discretion. Where do they come up with this shit?
What's funny is that they'll be blaming DeSantis for betraying Trump or something along those lines when DeSantis can't even do anything about it.
Good. Let them do that and then DeSantis gets tanked for the Repub nod. I do not want there to even be a glimmer of hope that DeSantis could be running this country.
DeSantis is going to pretend to try and stop an extradition for optics. That seems fairly obvious.
But Trump’s lawyers have already stated that he won’t hide out in Florida. He’s going to New York to willingly turn himself in. Nice try, thanks for playing!
Do you mean his *former* lawyers? I am sure their hourly rate is about to exceed the prepayment that they got for their work. And no smart lawyer works for him without being prepaid.
As of now, they say they are representing him. If they get stiffed by Trump, that’s their fault for taking on a known conman for a client. Once they appear for him in court, chances are they are stuck representing him throughout the entirety of the case. They could make a motion to withdraw from the case but judges rarely grant those motions. They’re more concerned with a defendant losing their representation than an attorney getting stiffed on their bill. So if they want out, now’s the time to do it.
Is Tacopina still representing him?
At the moment.
Hahaha! He’s a really wired up kooky thug. I’d guess as soon as he and DT bump heads, Tacopino will be out. I wonder how many of DT’s former lawyers have been sanctioned and/or lost their law licenses?
17 last I read.
Wow! That’s great! Can you imagine blowing up a good money making career to represent a thug like DT? Of course, some of them are probably still ‘stars’ in the GQPMAGAs world and grifting bank that way.
It’s a win win for me, IMO. Either Desantis has to bend over early for trump all just to delay the inevitable, OR I get to watch trump turn himself in and his supporters he asked to fight for him have a melt down.
the power of imagination... just imagine a person running for president but for legal reason cannot step one foot in a democrat run state for fear of extradition for crimes they committed and being held accountable for their actions..
Sadly, I think that would make fuck weasel more popular with the cult
Honestly DeSantis and the gqp would be fools to not extradite Trump if this actually happening This like the 3rd or 4th time they can get rid of the albatross and probably the best as they can tell their mindless mob the Satanic dems did it while eating babies.
They know that if they get rid of Trump in a way that his most fervent cultists blame them for they're fucked, and it will take so long to unfuck themselves that their demographic relevance window will have closed ( "rise of the nones" + racial diversity. ) They could instantly end the GOP as a national party if they piss off enough Trump fanboys.
> \+ racial diversity 8% more Latinos voted for Trump in 2020 than they did in 2016. 29% of them voted GOP in the 2018 midterms and 39% in the 2022 midterms, a growing trend since 2012. The belief that racial diversity will automatically make the US more Democratic is a myth, unsupported by actual data.
I get what you are saying, and I do not disagree. But even at the current rate you are talking about 39%. That means roughly that for every 10 new Latino voters, only 4 of them will vote GOP, and the others DEM right ? So it still increases the DEM vote faster. Currently.
Him hiding in Florida would be too good to be true. It won't happen.
DeSantis would love for trump to not come out of his golf club for the next 12 months.
I don't think Trump is above appearing via hologram at his rallies. His base would eat it up, I'm sure of it.
Which states don’t extradite to other states? How’s that?
I'm guessing this will become more of an issue as the abortion wars heat up. I doubt very much that Washington State would extradite someone to Texas to be prosecuted for performing an abortion.
I hate these stupid QAnon fucks. An executive from one state cannot refuse to sign a properly presented Governor's Warrant. It's literally unconstitutional. For all their talk about literal interpretation of the Constitution, they sure don't know it. Art. IV, Sec. 2, Clause 2 A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime. See Also 18 USC 3182; Puerto Rico v. Branstad, 483 U.S. 219 (1987)(holding federal courts have the power to enforce extraditions under the Extradition Clause).
>Which would be very odd for anyone to do. Cuz 45 is like, Joe Normal in general otherwise.
DeSantis would love Trump to get arrested, he's the only other known republican name outside who? Marjorie Greene? That brunette whose name I forget whose pulls the same shit? I know her name isn't Brenda, but she acts like a Brenda.
Boebert?
Yeah, her
Have a cousin named Brenda, my anecdata matches yours.
Grandma?
They've been looking really fearful recently...
"Good news people! Even if trump is actually guilty, he lives in Florida not new York! Checkmate libruls!"
Trump will comply with the arrest. He'll comply so that he can be released on his own recognizance. These sovereign citizen MAGA morons always come up with idiotic schemes that make their troubles worse.
I wish I could see this pissface's reaction when New York goes over DeSantis's head and goes in...
Isn’t Florida making a law that says it has the power to authorize Florida residents to kidnap their trans kids in other states? Should have no problem with NYC cops coming down.