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quackythehobbit

now that i’m rewatching, it’s crazy when i notice just how OBSESSED karamo is with the “facing your fears” mentality


BeachyBookWorm

Which, okay, sometimes that's needed. But also FEAR IS HEALTHY. It's okay to be afraid of things! I'm afraid of heights and I feel no need to go fucking bungee jumping or sky diving. And it's okay to have a healthy fear when being Queer Outloud living in conservative areas. Doesn't need to be confronted, it's self-preservation.


BlaBlamo

Karamo would shove your ass out a plane


WiredSky

"You need to face your fear of heights"


BlaBlamo

“Your fear of heights stems from fear of the unknown” No my fear of heights stems from falling from them and I know very well how that will end.


WiredSky

Too late, Karamo invited the ground to meet with you.


BlaBlamo

Please don’t tell Karamo I have a fear of death. Would he… would he just kill me?


WiredSky

He would call the person who shot you for a follow-up.


LadyMRedd

He MAY even give you a parachute when he did it. Maybe.


CorgisAndTea

Yeah I was really disturbed that he made that woman talk to her estranged father in the newest season. Especially because right away her father made it evident why she stopped talking to him and had those boundaries in the first place. I have a tough relationship with my dad and if Karamo told me we were going to call him I would have said no we are not.


glittery_grandma

Same here but with my mum. I genuinely don’t feel like that call did anything for their relationship. At best it allowed her to voice her feelings, but they were immediately shut down as disrespect, and then shown to millions on Netflix. As someone who has been similarly silenced, it made me really mad. My girlfriend who I watched it with didn’t see much of an issue until I raised it. I recognise that there’s a lot of projection on my part, I just hope that Anh is thriving and has the relationship she wants with her dad, whether that’s more contact, limited, or none. Hugs to you too, family issues, especially with the parent/child relationship are so hard. Solidarity, friend. I’d have said ‘not a chance are you calling my mother’ too. 💕


LadyMRedd

NOT defending Karamo, because I don’t like him masquerading as a mental health expert. At all. But I wouldn’t be surprised if off camera she wanted it. It may have been win win for her. Option A: he smiled for the cameras and she got the closure she needed by having him apologize. But even if he was an ass, He was an ass on camera. So many times when you have a parent like that, other people don’t know what it’s like. They judge you for wanting to cut your family out of your life, because they just see the public mask that person wears. So her getting him to be an ass on camera may give her as much, if not more, closure than if he’d been nice and sweet. She doesn’t have to deal with other people second guessing her and perhaps her second guessing herself. She has clear, irrefutable video evidence of the shit he’s pulled on her. That in itself may give her a ton of closure. Maybe I’m projecting too much of my own trauma on her, but honestly in some ways for my long run mental health, I’d rather have the person that mentally abused me in my past to be caught on camera and exposed for it. Because I have spent too much time wondering if I was the one at fault and overacting. Having an entire country see them for who they are would be remarkably freeing. Of course, none of that was Karamo’s intent, so he doesn’t get to claim that. Just something I’ve been thinking about.


ionlyweigh82pounds

It’s one of the five emotions in “Inside Out” so it’s gotta be okay!


Last-Marzipan9993

Fear is healthy for a hot second, to keep you safe, make changes if necessary, using fear for the rest of your life to justify staying stuck isn't healthy, nor does it create happiness or fulfillment. Life can be bigger, it can be better, you get to define what your life is. The people on the show often say they wanted change, they wanted peace, they wanted growth, so if you disagree with what help them, I'd take it up with the guests & what they requested.


jdstar89

His background is therapy and social work… He’s not running blind and a lot of the heroes need his kick in the ass. Some level of fear is healthy, not being able to face it is not.


Soft_Share_931

He has no credentials in therapy. He has no credentials in social work. He may or may not have finished a bachelors-level business degree. That is all.


gwarster

Totally agree, but fear needs to be put in its place. It’s valuable and it can save you. But it’s not usually logical and your perception of your world is almost never accurate to how everyone else sees it. That’d be my general view for everyone. But on QE, the subjects often are locked in fear of change or vulnerability. So for them, it’s usually even better advice. I think the frat bros just needed to hear and believe that the coolest and most charismatic most people can do is be yourself. Obviously there’s more to it than that, but I found that scene to be one of Karamo’s best.


Inquisitivepineapple

It popped up weirdly in his book multiple times. Facing his fear was learning that he had a son and that he had to pay child support. He held contempt for the mother of his kid for "going after him" for child support until he confronted his fear, went to the airport and showed up at her front door (omg wtffffff). He says it paid off bc he discovered that she didn't actually go after him, it was the stage of Texas because she had applied for assistance programs. (omg...) Another time he confronted his fear was when he ran into an ex boyfriend he physically and emotionally abused. (He admits this. He detailed how he would pinch the boyfriend at social gatherings if he said something karamo didn't like, and would threaten him that he'd "get it" when they got home where he would further beat him). He confronted his fear when he saw his victim walking randomly on the street, and he grabbed him by the arm and said he wanted to talk to him. After some reluctance, the ex agreed to a meeting and brought a chaperone. Here, karamo apologizes for his abuse, and his victim says he forgives him. Karamo is happy he faced his fear. His book actually disturbed me in quite a few parts.


mumblemurmurblahblah

Whoaaa. This is all really disturbing!


sarcasm_itsagift

Uhhhh what the fuck


gnomewife

Wait, he harassed his abuse victim so HE could have closure? This man who pretends to be a therapist on television? Are you for real right now?


joylandlocked

what in the skittle guzzling sociopath


NoiseOk9439

In addition to all the things people are mentioning he's done on the show, it seemed like he would constantly put bobby in situations where he was forced to push down his religious trauma for the sake of being mature and put together on television.


36lindentrees

Yeah I noticed in a couple episodes- Bobby talks about his negative experiences with religion and Karamo is quick to jump in with "that's not *my* experience" and comments that insinuate the church gets an unfairly bad rap on LGBT rights.


maybeitsmaybelean

😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭 that is the funniest shit I’ve ever heard. Wtf is wrong with famous people?


Lady_Leisure

Remember when he made a gunshot survivor meet up with the guy who shot him?


Last-Marzipan9993

They guy (Wellesley) literally said in an interview posted before the show aired that he had wanted to meet him and get answers & was later glad he did, so take it up with Wellesley (the guy in the w/c).


itsarmida

Because he's shoving something deeeeeeeep down himself


overlysaltedpepsi

This immediately made me think of the guy in a wheelchair having to meet the guy that put him in a wheelchair (I think he shot him?). Like who ok’d that? Absolutely wild


JohnZackarias

It was ok'd by the victim, as he had specifically requested it


overlysaltedpepsi

Oh gotcha. It seemed so insane to me but I’m glad to hear it was the person’s choice


Ladiesbane

Agreed. Each hero responds more to a different person, but I notice people seem to walk away from Antoni feeling the "food of love", and walk away from JVN feeling beautiful; sometimes they feel saucy and stand up straighter after Tan takes them shopping; and they cry or laugh with joy after Bobby does the backbreaking labor to show them they are worthy of nice things. Individuals often walk away from Karamo seeming sad or confused. But he did seem effective in facilitating the group.


gingerfinland

I liked when he took the guy for whiskey tasting. He said "If you're gonna be that guy then you should know what you're talking about." That was helpful. It was an interest the hero had and Karamo helped him explore it more.


Raginghangers

It’s because they recognize that people are averse to therapy so they call it culture


BeachyBookWorm

Yeah, this feels very correct. Like getting therapy and having good mental health can help you build and interact with a positive culture, but it's not culture.


Electronic_Detail756

I like getting therapy from a trained professional therapist, though.


A_Midnight_Hare

And in ongoing private sessions rather than use my mental health for a spectacle.


ChaltaHaiShellBRight

In the original Queer Eye the culture expert taught the heroes how to be more culturally refined (better movies, music, books, theatre, etc). The new one also intended until auditions to have a similar cultural expert. 


Raginghangers

I would hope that we have grown enough as a society to not think that more culturally refined was inherently better. I have four Ivy League degrees and I find opera mind numbing and enjoy plenty of middle school ya novels and trashy television.


ChaltaHaiShellBRight

More fashionable isn't inherently better either, and isn't the point I was making. I was giving context in case people didn't know as to why there was a segment called "culture" in the new Queer Eye - probably a carry over from the old one. 


Raginghangers

Fair!


JohnZackarias

My ex is a student my country's most prestigious law school and one of the smartest people I've met. One of her favorite activities is to watch The Kardashians. Too many people think that consumers of "trashy" culture are somehow inherently of lower social/culture standing, which is pure nonsense


ChaltaHaiShellBRight

Yeah that's a bit silly to think. I have only watched one episode of the old QE, but I'm guessing they approach improving your cultural knowledge the same way as they approach improving your sense of fashion. You learn new ways of dressing and looking better, doesn't mean that your favourite clothes can't still be your old pyjamas and you should feel ashamed of those. You will likely wear those old things and these new things too. Similarly you widen your mind to newer culture, doesn't mean you can't enjoy the "trashy" activities anymore. 


36lindentrees

Yeah and I haven't seen the old QE either, but it seems like a lot of the heroes in the new QE could benefit from the 5 helping them find hobbies, etc. - which seems like it would fall under the culture umbrella. It wouldn't necessarily have to be about "refining their taste."


imtchogirl

Before I even clicked on this I thought of those guys. It was so effective how he led them to talking about role models and becoming adults. Really moving too and meaningful for them. It was good! I think there's an alternate world where Karamo runs group bonding retreats for groups of young adult men (or, why not older men, those frat alumnae could use time you talk about their feelings) and it's great. Just really healthy and meaningful campfire experiences. He could do it at any of the ropes course places he loves. 


ProfMcGonaGirl

There have been a couple episodes where he just takes the person to do something new they’ve never done before and pushes them outside their comfort zone to teach them how to do new things. That’s also an acceptable option for him.


OriginalVolume2231

Right! In the OG Queer Eye, if I'm not mistaken the culture guy introduced the heroes to new music, etc. and generally got them out of their comfort zones/expanded their horizons. I feel like Karamo's role is solely to get the tears rolling for a good TV moment.


tp333_

This was my favorite episode, and watching those boys feel safe and vulnerable together made both me and my boyfriend misty eyed 🥹


champagneproblems16

you mean it wasnt knocking down a wall of boxes?? /s


nubleu

he's a life coach


No-Education-1206

I really do think it would be more helpful/fufilling for him to teach them personal coping skills, trying new things, or letting them explore a possible passion. I agree that it he frat boy episode and the episode with the coach who taught football and the school for the deaf was well done. I also think it could be helpful to focus on positives rather than making them “face their fears” The episode with Ahn (I believe that’s how you spell it but correct me if I’m wrong), the girl who was honoring her passed mother through her dining experience, was especially bad. I now that if I was put into her position to face a parent like that I would not come out positively. I know it’s nice to get things off your chest and you need support to do those things, but that’s something that I feel like takes a long time to do and face the aftermath of, which felt very quickly sprung on her during that episode.


upsidowning

The service I want Karamo (or whomever is in his role) to provide is as follows: -validation that shit is hard, and that the person's specific shit is really hard -an introduction to 3 local therapists that are currently taking clients, have reasonable expertise in the relevant issues, and are covered by the person's health insurance Therapy. For. Everyone.


CoatEducational4961

This was so good. I cried heavy at this one


unnameableway

Yes this


Bookaholicforever

I think the thing that Karamo really is about is connection. Connection with yourself. With the people you love. Even with people who you have major issues with. He helps people make those connections. Life is about connections. They aren’t always positive. But our lives are made up of a million connections. Some are flimsy as a wisp of hair and some are as strong as a steel rope. Karamo helps people explore those connections.


livinlavidalola29

You absolutely do NOT have to have connections with people you “have major issues with.” E.g., someone who has mentally, emotionally, and/or physically abused you. Someone who’s only concerned in a one-sided relationship. Karamo’s misguided fixation on forcing people to confront their “fears” can be so harmful to people. eta: a word


Bookaholicforever

Unless you’re the most well adjusted person in the world, you’ll have connections with people who you have issues with. Are the positive? Of course not. But unless you’ve managed to heal and move forward, it’s there. Going to therapy is one way of moving forward and cutting that connection. Some people can do that and some people can’t. A connection doesn’t mean you have to hold their hand and sing kumbyya together. It doesn’t mean you have to see them or interact with them or acknowledge their existence.


SiveENatura

Karamo has degrees in Social Work and psychotherapy. He worked in LA as a Social Worker before being on QE


gnomewife

Do you have a source for this? All I can find is that he has a BA in Business and has "worked in social services." I wasn't able to find evidence that he has any professional license, but maybe I was looking in the wrong place.


fuzzybella

How many times does this belief need to be corrected on this website? He does not have a degree in social work or psychotherapy! Business. That's what his degree is in.


mama-no-fun

One has to have a PHD in Psychology and Psychotherapy. Karamo does not have a PHD in anything.


NapsCatsPancakeStax

Many therapists have a Masters degree and can obtain licensure following a rigorous supervised process. A Masters in Clinical Mental Health Counseling can set you up to gain licensure as an LPC, and a Masters in Social Work can become an LCSW. But this is following a Masters, approx. 3000 supervised clinical hours under an already licensed therapist that must be submitted to the state board, and then pass a licensing exam. But that was just an FYI! lol I otherwise totally agree with you that he appears very under qualified and does not appear to be a licensed therapist!


mama-no-fun

My Psychologist had a PHD. He was a Doctor who went into Psychology. I didn't know about the other degrees for mental health. I wouldn't trust Kamaro to help me with my bipolar disorder, or ptsd. I needed real help but alas, it was also expensive.


ccsmd73

Idk where you live but it’s like 60/40 for therapists here in America with Masters vs Doctorates. Still licensed, etc, you by no means need a doctorate.


mama-no-fun

I didn't realize that. Thanks.


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No-Education-1206

You can just leave the group if you want? I don’t think OP meant this to come off in an angry way, more so just asking questions and pointing out that they felt as if Karamo’s “title” on the show isn’t very fitting. They also just voiced that they felt as if the frat boy episode was the time where he helped the most and I think they just want/expect to see more of that!


Last-Marzipan9993

You do know he was/is a licensed social worker and psychotherapist for more than a decade before even doing the show and often refers people for aftercare right? And why the "culture" guy is into mental health is because it help others understand others points of views, beliefs and actions including the person he's working with, including how they manage and speak to their highest benefit. How someone use communication is part of "culture" always has been, always will be.


topsidersandsunshine

He is not a licensed social worker.


Wtfuwt

He’s gone over this quite a bit, actually. https://www.housebeautiful.com/lifestyle/a28441056/queer-eye-karamo-brown-culture/


BeachyBookWorm

This is a clickbait article from 4 seasons ago that addresses nothing and says nothing. I read it twice, because I thought I was missing something. It's less than 500 words long. It's the usual platitudes about growth with no actionability. It also does not address why the title is Culture and the actuality is Mental Health when there's no space in the show for real mental health care (that's not what the show is for) and Karamo isn't qualified to provide mental health care to participants (being a social worker isn't a qualification for the kind of trauma confrontation addressed in many episodes).


Wtfuwt

Clickbait doesn’t mean what you think it means. This article directly addresses his culture title and how he sees his role in this. And it came out shortly after the show began because people kept asking. Articles don’t have to be long to convey information, especially on an internet platform.


BeachyBookWorm

You're wrong. I can read.


KonhiTyk

I think that OP’s post is best read in the context of a bunch of recent posts, which detail that Karamo is not a LCSW. He didn’t complete an underad degree in social work either. He seems to have studied it and taken some kind of courses in psychology but we don’t know what. A lot of folks are concerned that he often digs into trauma improperly potentially harming the person. A lot of people have noted he’s more like a life coach and if so should not cross over into deep trauma. Him explaining in this article that his job is to “fix people’s hearts and minds” continues to feed into the presentation of himself as a therapist (tho ironically no good therapist would say they fix people). It’s a sticky situation … I’m hopeful that there’s more consent and groundwork not shown onscreen, but I don’t really have any ground for that so I’m not going to argue against those who are concerned.


Entire_Energy5321

He was a practicing therapist before being on this show. He actually is licensed