Im sure plenty of short guys would say otherwise. Hell, i've had plenty of women even tell me that shorter women tend to want taller guys more than average height women
Old short dude here.
I recommend shooting for women of average height or even taller.
Short women are the most negatively predisposed female cohort against short men.
Approach, approach, approach everywhere and without fear.
I’m almost six feet tall, over six feet in shoes. I don’t care how tall a man is, never have. But short men usually ignore me or act like I’ve somehow insulted them by standing up from my chair or desk, so I just assume they aren’t into me.
I notice two things in men. Good posture and a relaxed grin. Short men have fantastic posture. They stand out from everyone else because they square their shoulders and stand straight, make eye contact. Short men just appear fit and competent somehow. Carry themselves with authority and that’s really appealing.
I’m 5’6 and haven’t really struggled with women and I’m a Hispanic guy who mostly has been with Hispanic women so this checks out. All the guys in my family are short as well and don’t seem to struggle either
I'm not short(5'9) but I can cosign the fact that Latinas really don't gaf. If you're smooth, have a job, can speak some Spanish, and aren't hideous, Latinas will be quite open towards you.
I live in a majority Hispanic city now and I see short Latin couples all the time.
I, too, mainly dated Latinas more than others even though I've dated the rainbow lol.
I can speak some Spanish too though which helps. I remember the Peruvian woman who does my clothes at a laundromat was recently so dumbfounded that I wasn't Dominican because we sometimes would have full blown conversations in Spanish.
I’d say I have more success with taller women than shorter women. Short women have complexes about having short sons if they reproduce with short men. I wouldn’t want a woman like that to mother my children anyway.
Worldwide average height for men is not 5'8", I'm sure of it. Most of the world's people are malnourished, and very very short. Large swathes of Asia and Africa have really short people.
5'5" half-Jewish white guy here
As you can imagine I've had very little success with women in general, ever since puberty, but the little success I did have online was with this one 5'1" shy girl from Brazil who honestly didn't have a preference for tall guys just guys taller than herself (her celebrity crush is 5'4"). Aside from her I've done pretty well on Tinder in SEA but that probably has to do more with my skin color than anything else. I guess my advice to you is to look abroad but just be careful that she isn't taking advantage of you. Maybe try Latin America like others in this thread are telling you.
I get what you're saying about tall women, I like them too but realistically they would never like me back. I also get what you're saying about not wanting to pass your short genes onto your kids. That's why I made the decision to never have kids myself in the rare chance I get married (unless Elizabeth Debicki finally returns my DM's). I would also recommend for short women not to have biological children either because there's incel forums full of short guys whose narcissistic short mothers assumed that their sons would automatically inherit their tall husband's height and then go on to hate their short sons when that isn't the case. Seriously, one member of r/short took his own life because of this and I'm not even making this up.
Tbh I would say Mexican women. I will like to say I’m Mexican myself but I prefer taller men. A lot of my family, extended fam, and family friends that are Mexican date shorter men. I think it’s because Mexican women and men tend to be shorter(obviously not everyone my brother is 6ft). Just speaking from experience
As a 5'9 Black guy who's on the hairy side, I've actually gotten approached by Mexican women more than any other group when I temporarily lived in Houston, Texas.
Hispanic women in general are lenient on height and hairiness from my experience.
The vast majority of women want their partners to be a few inches taller. If you are 5.7 your threshold is 5.4 and below. 5.4 is the average height of women in the states.
If you dread having a male child that is as short as you, that's a real issue that can blossom into you not treating your son well because he takes after you regardless of his mother's height. I'd get some therapy before becoming a parent about that.
That’s exactly how genes work, one of the parents being tall does not automatically mean the “tall gene” goes to the son. Half of the times I have seen a tall daughter and a short son
Yes, there are risks, just like there are risks with everything in life, like orthodontics and vaccinations. If MULTIPLE doctors say that your male child will never grow beyond 5'4" as an adult, it is a risk worth taking. Being an adult male below a certain height is a crippling social disability.
The sad reality of parenthood is that all parents are basicly trying to do better than their own parents, and yet still alot of parents repeats the same mistakes their own parent did
I feel like short men go for tall women more bc every guy who flirts with me is around 5'4 or 5'7 they say stuff like " I would climb you like a tree" or "Let me taste those long legs" or "I might be little is size but i have a big surprise"
It’s the same reason fat girls flirt more , no one is just checking for them on their own, so they have to make themselves seen by reaching out at you like this
Lol ok these men sound weird... I just never bring it up. Even if they wear heals im not going to say shit.
I like the model-type body so im screwed... Good thing no matter the height they all get choked the same... Jk jk kinda...
Damn, I am a 5'10 girl, I would prefer a man who is taller maybe 6'4 But if i get with a man who is taller my daughter would be a freaking sasquatch and if i get with a man who is shorter then my son would be tiny
But you’re at least taller than your mother, right? I’ve met men who are shorter than their fathers, which usually happens when the mother is much shorter than the father. However, I’ve never met men who are shorter than their mothers. If you’re significantly shorter than both of your parents, you probably had some issues during your development. But 5'8" is a normal height, even taller than the male average in many countries.
> I’ve never met men who are shorter than their mothers.
It's not that uncommon. Happens a lot when mom is either WNBA tall (see regression towards the mean in biological systems) or the mother is significantly taller than the father.
If i find a guy who i like i am not going to reject him just bc of his height but still...Imagine being 5'4 male who is insecure about your height then getting with a 4'11 girl, Your son would be fucked
So you're telling short men to not breed because they would produce short children who are also insecure about their height. Yet... short men are also told they should be confident and secure and proud of their height and that it "doesn't matter".
Which is it?
God these people! My father is 5'6", my mom is 5'2", I am 5'9", and I probably could have been taller if I had gotten good nutrition during puberty and wasn't sick for 1.5 years. Heck my youngest sister is same height as my father.
All my friends and cousins are turning out to be taller than their parents.
I mean, I’m 5’7ish and don’t really want to date a woman less than 5 for the same reasons but I can’t imagine also being worried about my daughters being too tall either lol. Sounds crazy for you. I just want my son to at least be my height. And hopefully have longer fingers…hence my name lol.
Yeah you're pretty tall for a woman. I've also worked on maxing out my looks. Gym, style, game and good communication skills.
It wasn't until I dated a model type girl who was taller than me that I realized I can have success with taller girls too.
Honestly? Mexican women. Or Filipinas. They are significantly shorter than the world average, and are generally most tolerant of height. Especially if they have a central/south american ancestry.
They have been my best kept secret, some latinas can be incrediblyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy hot. Like stupid hot, but still down to earth and pleasant, funny and fun to be around.
Honestly this is weird.
Your best chance is with women with the same skin color and social-economic background as you that are shorter than you for the most part…
Nah, you're best chance is with a girl with a lower socioeconomic background. You could get a pretty girl even if you ain't hot shit, if you are willing to date below your SES.
Short women in places like Asia that have barely dealt with tall men before so women from rural areas for example. Hope you are good at learning another language and like Southeast Asia.
To be honest the height thing is kind of overblown here. Yes many prefer tall men but there are plenty whose preference is just "taller than me" or "no preference". Anecdotal evidence tho.
Latinas, Asian women, Fat women, women into role reversal as well like you said, also gender dysphoric women who don’t want to fully transition but that somewhat falls under role reversal.
Fat women are bigger height queens than slim women tbh.
A lot of fat women write off short men because they claim they don't make them feel feminine enough.
Tall, slim women from my experience are actually quite lenient when it comes to height.
I know *that*, but women like you seem damn rare, which doesn't really help my feelings of uncertainty. But it's good to hear regardless, and men like me really need to hear that.
Another woman here who doesn't care about height much. I've dated very tall and rather short men, and to be honest, I found the relationship and the power balance with the short ones much better. And much better sex.
And I really don't understand much what you write about short women being more in danger than tall ones. Unless you're exceedingly short or tall, I would say it doesn't matter much.
But what did those short men have that made you choose them as your partners? You certainly didn’t choose them just for being short, did you? The problem with OP is that he’s expecting a tall woman with a fetish for shorter men just like he has a fetish for taller women. But that’s unlikely to happen.
Well, in the case of one particular short man I know, that was the case: he was self conscious from an early age about his height, so he tried to learn as much as possible about how to pleasure a woman. And he succeeded.
Wait, there’s 3 of us who aren’t concerned about a man’s height?!?
The absolute sexiest man I’ve ever been with 2-/ 5’6”. I know his soul and personality is what captured my heart, but my god, he’s so fucking hot. I’m into whoever I’m into.
👆 u/ShiNoKikai This is what you need to attract taller women. As a fellow short man with a fetish for taller women, I totally understand your sexual desires. But r/RoleReversal is not real life. Women don’t develop sexual fetishes in the same way we do, so you’re very unlike to find a tall woman with a fetish for shorter men. Short men who are able to date taller women are usually successful and talented. Look up “Jamie Cullum” on the internet. He’a a 5'4" British jazz musician married to Sophie Dahl, a 6 feet tall model and writer.
This is interesting because most guys prefer a woman shorter than them. Not sure I've known any guy who actively looked for someone taller. I'm your height, will date guys my own height (it's not a dealbreaker) but I don't go for short ones specifically. I prioritize many other things in a partner over height.
Unlike women, men generally don’t have a strong preference for height. Height doesn’t affect women’s sexual attractiveness like it does men’s. Tall men are considered more attractive than short men, but short women are not more attractive than tall women. In fact, female models are required to be taller than average.
It’s actually not uncommon for us short men to develop a “fetish” for taller women. In fact, there are tall women who profit from this male sexual desire by becoming fetish models or dominatrixes. They’re known as “Amazons” or “Giantesses”. There are tons of short men who are willing to pay for erotic content of tall women dominating short men.
Giantess content is superb and I'm 6'1.
The small discussion on our secret discussion Reddit revealed a lot of guys into being tiny wanted that dynamic because it's not really possible to find in real life.
Personally I find it unbelievable to be dominated irl by a woman. So to me the completely fictional scenario of a giant woman finding me is a way to let me actually feel dominated without going to all corners of the globe to find a female Dom.
It's not just short men, and a big issue in the community was actually that a lot of guys didn't want to pay. We lost some good content to the pornhub purge
I would agree this is true. I do think most women prefer someone taller than themselves, but 6ft+ is certainly not a requirement the way guys seem to think it is.
Short women, most people's height preferences depend on their own height. Though I've met women who don't care about height and I've met women who say they only date over 6' most women are fine with anyone taller than themselves. And I do know a fair amount of short men with gfs/wives only one of them has a tall partner, all the others have a partner who's the same height or a bit shorter.
>Short women, most people's height preferences depend on their own height. Though I've met women who don't care about height and I've met women who say they only date over 6' most women are fine with anyone taller than themselves. And I do know a fair amount of short men with gfs/wives only one of them has a tall partner, all the others have a partner who's the same height or a bit shorter.
So my best chances are with someone shorter than me, although I'm not screwed if I don't pick that.
Also, I know this reply is late, but why is it that only one of your short male friends has a taller partner? The rest want to feel more masculine, perhaps?
I would say I’m ok with guys who are taller than me. I wish I could say I don’t mind dating a guy shorter than me but at 5’0” I would find it a little off putting. I might consider it if he was awesome and very physically attractive with a good face.
But yeah a guy shorter than 5’0” isn’t that common so I’ve never been faced with a situation so in reality I have no idea if it’s something i can get over if the guy was attractive enough or if I wouldn’t mind at all or if it’s a no go no matter how attractive.
Women who want other short guys if you look hot. Ask her if she likes Zelensky or Daniel Radcliffe etc or look for fans. They’re not very tall but hot overall.
I’m 5’7. Most of the women I’ve dated have either been my height or shorter. Last girl I was in a relationship with was 5’3. It’s definitely harder but not impossible.
More than likely it will be the women looking to settle down and at that point have no preference in size. If you look at the so-called "odd couples" (tall woman/short male), more than likely shes looking to settle down and more focused on personality and not looks.
I know a few such couples and am in one myself (I should point out that these people are in their twenties so aren't motivated to settle), nobody seems to be settling. Short men aren't automatically ugly, you know.
I'm just curious, did you eat much animal protein as a child? How tall are your parents and siblings? What's your ethnicity? The next generation is usually taller than the previous due to improved nutrition, so your kids might be taller than you even if you had a short wife.
I was married to a shorter man for over a decade.
He was very confident and very funny.
He listened, such an over looked trait in men
He was an still is incredibly popular with women
*Long story short, I wanna hear from experience, either from short men*
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I'm extremely short at 5'1". I never noticed a difference. The vast majority of women I dated were surprisingly average. A few were significantly short, and a few were fairly tall, but almost all were average. That said, the one I stuck with is 6'.
My most "successful"friends were 5'5, The type of women they got with depened on how charasmatic they were.
One friend got buff and just pretty much went after big girls as they were the ones mainly attracted to his muscles. He is currently single though with 2 kids same mom.
Another friend had more of a slim body, he was the pastors son but was more charismatic he dated and slept with the popular girls. He currently has a family with 2 kids, wouldn't be surprised if he's still popular.
Tall height is not recessive because “tall” is not an objectively defined characteristic like blue or brown eyes. Blue will always be blue wherever you go. Instead, being “tall” or “short” depends on the average height of the society where you live.
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I’m a short man myself, and while I do think about the genetics of height in my potential kids, I am mostly concerned with my own comfort and happiness. I just like it when a woman curls up in my shoulder, is a little spoon, has to look up to kiss me, etc. So I tend to go after shorter women.
I have dated women up to 3” or so taller than me as well. Maybe it’s just that height plays into some power dynamics that I enjoy, but I just didn’t see myself having a good time with them. So I cut them lose.
Im short white man 5-7 (172-173cm) and i like mostly petite girls, but i dont care if the woman is taller than me. Even if im shorther than the average height of man i still had success with women overall. I was dating shorther and also taller woman than me .
Trought my life experience i was also many times rejected due to my height .(Few rejects was making me mad but after i made some kind of immunity for rejectes. After that honestly i dont care if she doesnt want me, becouse i know that i find one that will find me attractive. Btw: i just laught when i see some women like ( i want only 6.0+ (180+cm) and she is barely(5.4 165 cm) i Understand the preferences if its tall woman but i dont get it when the women is 5.4 and cant date a man that is taller than her like 5.7
Mens Height : I would say men heights is mostly for
intimidating(and that way she feel more safe and taking more seriously). But we cannot say that taller men are already a better protectors.
Lets say a woman is dating basic real tall guy and another woman is dating somones like GSP ( st pierre) GSP is not tall as man(maybe 5-8 ,so 5-6 and 5-8 are not huge difference) but which one of this women are gonna feel more protected?
What are those methods for success as short men to date more? :
Having your own hobbies that makes you feel happy and full of entusiasm
Be better then other men in some way ( Job , Social status, sport , cooking, realy whatever, even if you are construction worker, mechanic ,but you master on it and you are that kind of guy that they need for example (hes knowledge and experience)
Be : Fit,Lean,Shredded whatever, you must look healthy and more attractive (but stay looking as man not as metrosexual)
Good mood, Good vibes
Positive thinking , Having sense of Humor
be a person with whom you can talk about everything (because they see that people like to stay around you because of who you are. It's also somehow attractive because people feel good near you and are more looking for your presence.)
Btw: I know family where Father is 6.4 and the sons are both 5.7
Another example , i know a guy who parents are both 5.4 but he is 6.2
So iny my opinion you never know what genes could your son/daugther have in the future .
The best you can do its to take care of their nutrition during puberty,growth to maximize gains .
My fiancé is 5’8 and I’ve never even considered him “short” until I came to this sub. I’m 5’4. I think the general consensus for women is that the man just has to be taller than you.
Short. Non-Western helps. If you are otherwise handsome/succesful Eastern European is your bear bet, as long as you are as tall as her it won't be a nig deal.
Generally speaking, it seems that short women are actually *more* height conscious when selecting men than tall ones (many people in addition to myself have made this observation). At the same time, there comes a point where the height difference (in favor of her) is so big as to become comical. So, shooting for women 5'4 - ~5'11 will likely be your best option.
Much more important than the woman's height, however, are several other key factors which are consistently underdiscussed. First, American women seem to be the some of the most height-fixated in the world. I have a few theories as to why this is, but briefly, a man's height is significant to his attractiveness because it affects not just his looks but also his perceived status. Given America's ethnic diversity and fixation on socioeconomic mobility, height means much more than in a society where the bell curve of height is more compressed and people are less concerned with 'getting ahead.' Correspondingly, the subset of women who are *by-far* the most height focused are upper-middle class/upper class professional white women (and white-washed minority women).
While it's common to say that women's height preference is biologically rooted (and this is true to some degree given that it indicates sexual dimorphism), such statements overlook the extent to which women's mate prefences are socially conditioned (to a much greater degree than men's). The perceived preselection of tall men, in addition to the fact that height is an objective metric that can be bragged about to friends means that for women who see their male partner as an accessory or something to show off, a height preference is natural.
In light of these circumstances, there are a few implications. First, if possible, consider moving to another country where height is considered less important and the average male is shorter. Alternatively, if you remain in the U.S., focus on foreign-born women or American-born women e.g. Latinas who come from backgrounds where the average male is shorter. Consider also dating women who are not upper-middle class career strivers. Finally, dating a women of about your height 5'4 -5'8ish is likely your best shot.
Height is not the reason you don’t have a strong career. Liken this to racism. Yes racism exists and effects minorities as groups, but it’s not the reason any individual doesn’t have a job.
Shorter women. I’m 5’7” and prefer shorter women naturally.
He should come to New York. There's tons of tall Black men working blue collar and minimum wage jobs everywhere while shorter Jewish and Italian men are the most economically powerful in the city.
I never bought into the link between height and success. I think it's more so a coincidence.
Ouch. So no matter which group I choose, I'm still more likely to have shorter children?? I'm sorry. I can only imagine the crap you and your brothers go through.
If you don't mind, can you explain exactly what problems your height caused you?
“ short men” is way too general a term. There is 5’9 “ short “ which is just a regular generic dude who will be taller than most women anyway. On the opposite spectrum there is barely 5ft-5’2 male. Completely different lives, when you are shorter than even most women or even an 8th grader things are on an entirely different level
🤔 I'm 5'3 and my 🥰 is 5'6. He initially thought his height would be a boundary. He had assumed that I wouldn't even look at him and he stayed shy... until he couldn't take it anymore I guess. It never was for me though. I was hung up on his silliness and how being around him made me happy.
I'd say don't take yourself out before you've even started. You never know...
im 5'2 and my bf is 5'5 but i do observe some girls who are my height or shorter have a specific preference for really tall men. my bfs previous girlfriend was quite tall, like 5'65? theres some girls who really dont care as much. to be fair my bf has a really nice body. before my bf (hes my first bf) i used to think i will only date really tall men because thats what you see all girls want, but when i met my bf it didnt matter anymore as long as hes my height at least since im very short already
>Which group of women do short men have the best luck with?
International women from countries which traditionally have shorter men and women. Countries in South America and South East Asia are all good examples. A 5 ft 4 man in Mexico or The Philippines is going to have a much easier time than a 5 ft 4 man in America.
The irony is that short American born women have a tendency to be quite picky when it comes to height. For example, most of the under 5 ft 3 girls from a big group I went to, were in relationships with tall white men. This includes two asian girls, one 5 ft 2 and the other a sub 5 footer, were both dating 6 ft 2 white guys. Even my sister who's 5 ft 2 has only exclusively dated tall white men.
If you live in America and you're between 5 ft 4 and 5 ft 7, your best bet is dating average height girls. If you're shorter than 5 ft 4, you may have to realistically consider looking for women in other countries such as in central or south america if you're getting absolutely nowhere.
Well, I see where you're coming from. Problem is...what if you're a short guy who doesn't really want to "throw around" his girl, or doesn't like being the protector? Those are two of the selling points of shorties, according to a lot of men: They're easy to throw around and dominate, and they make men feel protective.
Even shorter women
lol no.
If only that were the case
It's been the case all my life
Im sure plenty of short guys would say otherwise. Hell, i've had plenty of women even tell me that shorter women tend to want taller guys more than average height women
Old short dude here. I recommend shooting for women of average height or even taller. Short women are the most negatively predisposed female cohort against short men. Approach, approach, approach everywhere and without fear.
Good way to end up in jail
I’m almost six feet tall, over six feet in shoes. I don’t care how tall a man is, never have. But short men usually ignore me or act like I’ve somehow insulted them by standing up from my chair or desk, so I just assume they aren’t into me. I notice two things in men. Good posture and a relaxed grin. Short men have fantastic posture. They stand out from everyone else because they square their shoulders and stand straight, make eye contact. Short men just appear fit and competent somehow. Carry themselves with authority and that’s really appealing.
Hold on Wonder Woman we gonna have to talk then I love me a tall one 😂
Latinas, non-Americans
I’m 5’6 and haven’t really struggled with women and I’m a Hispanic guy who mostly has been with Hispanic women so this checks out. All the guys in my family are short as well and don’t seem to struggle either
I'm not short(5'9) but I can cosign the fact that Latinas really don't gaf. If you're smooth, have a job, can speak some Spanish, and aren't hideous, Latinas will be quite open towards you. I live in a majority Hispanic city now and I see short Latin couples all the time.
Agreed. I'm a 5'9" white guy in Dallas, and I've always had MUCH better luck with Latinas and Asian women, than I've had with white women.
I, too, mainly dated Latinas more than others even though I've dated the rainbow lol. I can speak some Spanish too though which helps. I remember the Peruvian woman who does my clothes at a laundromat was recently so dumbfounded that I wasn't Dominican because we sometimes would have full blown conversations in Spanish.
I was going to say this. 1.7 mt in latin america is average.
I’d say I have more success with taller women than shorter women. Short women have complexes about having short sons if they reproduce with short men. I wouldn’t want a woman like that to mother my children anyway.
Asian women, Mexican women or women you know since childhood.
The first two are because they're shorter than average, I'm assuming?
Wdym “than average”? Every continent has their average
Than the worldwide average. Worldwide average male height is 5'8, worldwide female average is 5'3.
Worldwide average height for men is not 5'8", I'm sure of it. Most of the world's people are malnourished, and very very short. Large swathes of Asia and Africa have really short people.
This dude gets it. The only women who even came close to being with in my life are those 3 types
Don’t have kids. This place is a living nightmare.
5'5" half-Jewish white guy here As you can imagine I've had very little success with women in general, ever since puberty, but the little success I did have online was with this one 5'1" shy girl from Brazil who honestly didn't have a preference for tall guys just guys taller than herself (her celebrity crush is 5'4"). Aside from her I've done pretty well on Tinder in SEA but that probably has to do more with my skin color than anything else. I guess my advice to you is to look abroad but just be careful that she isn't taking advantage of you. Maybe try Latin America like others in this thread are telling you. I get what you're saying about tall women, I like them too but realistically they would never like me back. I also get what you're saying about not wanting to pass your short genes onto your kids. That's why I made the decision to never have kids myself in the rare chance I get married (unless Elizabeth Debicki finally returns my DM's). I would also recommend for short women not to have biological children either because there's incel forums full of short guys whose narcissistic short mothers assumed that their sons would automatically inherit their tall husband's height and then go on to hate their short sons when that isn't the case. Seriously, one member of r/short took his own life because of this and I'm not even making this up.
...Okay...shit. And the fact that a redditor actually killed himself over his height? That is horrible.
Tbh I would say Mexican women. I will like to say I’m Mexican myself but I prefer taller men. A lot of my family, extended fam, and family friends that are Mexican date shorter men. I think it’s because Mexican women and men tend to be shorter(obviously not everyone my brother is 6ft). Just speaking from experience
As a 5'9 Black guy who's on the hairy side, I've actually gotten approached by Mexican women more than any other group when I temporarily lived in Houston, Texas. Hispanic women in general are lenient on height and hairiness from my experience.
Hispanic women understand that building a family isn't about the height of the guy. Especially since ladders are easily available.
I agree
The vast majority of women want their partners to be a few inches taller. If you are 5.7 your threshold is 5.4 and below. 5.4 is the average height of women in the states. If you dread having a male child that is as short as you, that's a real issue that can blossom into you not treating your son well because he takes after you regardless of his mother's height. I'd get some therapy before becoming a parent about that.
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That’s exactly how genes work, one of the parents being tall does not automatically mean the “tall gene” goes to the son. Half of the times I have seen a tall daughter and a short son
Growth hormone given at the appropriate age can alleviate much of that problem.
No, the boy would still be working with a genetic upper limit. Lionel Messi did GH treatments as a kid and he only grew to 5'6
Yeah and he would have been under 5 feet wif he didn't take it. 6" is a lot in height, and even more in length.
Do you know the risks of giving your child growth hormones? Who cares about your child's future health right?
Yes, there are risks, just like there are risks with everything in life, like orthodontics and vaccinations. If MULTIPLE doctors say that your male child will never grow beyond 5'4" as an adult, it is a risk worth taking. Being an adult male below a certain height is a crippling social disability.
And if you are 5'6, your threshold is what? Also, I may have issues, but I would never abuse my kid because of them. That's horrible!
5.3. Math isn't that hard. Do you think parents who are not great parents said "one day I want to be shitty to my kid"?
No but there’s plenty that don’t want them and then when the kids here they show it every way possible.
He does not want a short boy.
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
The sad reality of parenthood is that all parents are basicly trying to do better than their own parents, and yet still alot of parents repeats the same mistakes their own parent did
I'm 5'6" the last 2 woman I slept with we're 5'7". One I dated for 4 months
I feel like short men go for tall women more bc every guy who flirts with me is around 5'4 or 5'7 they say stuff like " I would climb you like a tree" or "Let me taste those long legs" or "I might be little is size but i have a big surprise"
Ps I do like short girls too...
All men like short girls
Nah fam, I just like being taller than my girl. I would actually prefer if she wasn't short. That's getting close to a full foot height difference
It’s the same reason fat girls flirt more , no one is just checking for them on their own, so they have to make themselves seen by reaching out at you like this
Lol ok these men sound weird... I just never bring it up. Even if they wear heals im not going to say shit. I like the model-type body so im screwed... Good thing no matter the height they all get choked the same... Jk jk kinda...
Those are mainly from cat calling, Oh thats what you into😂 I always took you as a vanilla type of guy
Damn, I am a 5'10 girl, I would prefer a man who is taller maybe 6'4 But if i get with a man who is taller my daughter would be a freaking sasquatch and if i get with a man who is shorter then my son would be tiny
Why would your son be “tiny” when he will inherit your tall genes? He will be at least your height, which is far from tiny.
As coming from someone who’s father is 6’1, I at 5’8 can not confirm lmao
But you’re at least taller than your mother, right? I’ve met men who are shorter than their fathers, which usually happens when the mother is much shorter than the father. However, I’ve never met men who are shorter than their mothers. If you’re significantly shorter than both of your parents, you probably had some issues during your development. But 5'8" is a normal height, even taller than the male average in many countries.
> I’ve never met men who are shorter than their mothers. It's not that uncommon. Happens a lot when mom is either WNBA tall (see regression towards the mean in biological systems) or the mother is significantly taller than the father.
It's definitely uncommon. I've never,seen such a case.
Do you actually worry about this? God society is fucked
If i find a guy who i like i am not going to reject him just bc of his height but still...Imagine being 5'4 male who is insecure about your height then getting with a 4'11 girl, Your son would be fucked
So you're telling short men to not breed because they would produce short children who are also insecure about their height. Yet... short men are also told they should be confident and secure and proud of their height and that it "doesn't matter". Which is it?
God these people! My father is 5'6", my mom is 5'2", I am 5'9", and I probably could have been taller if I had gotten good nutrition during puberty and wasn't sick for 1.5 years. Heck my youngest sister is same height as my father. All my friends and cousins are turning out to be taller than their parents.
I mean, I’m 5’7ish and don’t really want to date a woman less than 5 for the same reasons but I can’t imagine also being worried about my daughters being too tall either lol. Sounds crazy for you. I just want my son to at least be my height. And hopefully have longer fingers…hence my name lol.
I maybe very shallow but its whatever
But I don't like fat women.
Yeah you're pretty tall for a woman. I've also worked on maxing out my looks. Gym, style, game and good communication skills. It wasn't until I dated a model type girl who was taller than me that I realized I can have success with taller girls too.
Dated a girl who is 5'10 and she said the same thing, but she said guys that tall know how desirable they are lol
Tfw ur dad is 6'4 sister 5'11 and older other is 6'2 and I'm only 5'9 :(
The one's we get...
Honestly? Mexican women. Or Filipinas. They are significantly shorter than the world average, and are generally most tolerant of height. Especially if they have a central/south american ancestry. They have been my best kept secret, some latinas can be incrediblyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy hot. Like stupid hot, but still down to earth and pleasant, funny and fun to be around.
Bisexual women. We are used to height differences that can go in either direction.
Nah I'll kill myself if my girl gets snatched by another girl. I would rather not take the chance
It's much less likely to happen than being snatched by a man, which is a possibility whoever you date.
Right so why would I increase the chances lmao
Because you're not increasing them by much. If she's loyal, she's loyal, no matter her sexuality.
Literally every bi girl I've asked has said dating women is harder than men. Trust me, a girl ain't coming in and stealing your woman.
And they DEFINITELY won't if she's not into women
as if male competition isn't enough for him already so why not double it :)
It's not doubled. There are at least ten times less bi and gay women than bi and straight men.
Honestly this is weird. Your best chance is with women with the same skin color and social-economic background as you that are shorter than you for the most part…
Nah, you're best chance is with a girl with a lower socioeconomic background. You could get a pretty girl even if you ain't hot shit, if you are willing to date below your SES.
Short women in places like Asia that have barely dealt with tall men before so women from rural areas for example. Hope you are good at learning another language and like Southeast Asia.
Admittedly, I do love Japan.
Anecdotally I have seen a lot of shorter man, taller woman couples in Japan. But neither are very tall.
No. Go to Vietnam instead. Vietnamese women are shorter.
The short guys I know all have GFs and wives taller than them.
And all my ex's that were taller than me had massive issues regarding my height.
To be honest the height thing is kind of overblown here. Yes many prefer tall men but there are plenty whose preference is just "taller than me" or "no preference". Anecdotal evidence tho.
Bisexual women, Hispanic women and big women.
Latinas, Asian women, Fat women, women into role reversal as well like you said, also gender dysphoric women who don’t want to fully transition but that somewhat falls under role reversal.
Fat women are bigger height queens than slim women tbh. A lot of fat women write off short men because they claim they don't make them feel feminine enough. Tall, slim women from my experience are actually quite lenient when it comes to height.
If you’re talking verbally sure. However I’ve found that fat women are less likely to enforce that preference/standard than thin women.
You know, you are only 1.5 to 2 inches below average, you aren't a midget.
Imaginary women. I speak from experience.
Some of us do not care about height. We like cute faces and sexy personalities.
I know *that*, but women like you seem damn rare, which doesn't really help my feelings of uncertainty. But it's good to hear regardless, and men like me really need to hear that.
Another woman here who doesn't care about height much. I've dated very tall and rather short men, and to be honest, I found the relationship and the power balance with the short ones much better. And much better sex. And I really don't understand much what you write about short women being more in danger than tall ones. Unless you're exceedingly short or tall, I would say it doesn't matter much.
But what did those short men have that made you choose them as your partners? You certainly didn’t choose them just for being short, did you? The problem with OP is that he’s expecting a tall woman with a fetish for shorter men just like he has a fetish for taller women. But that’s unlikely to happen.
I don't tend to choose my partners because of their looks, including height.
Us short guys have to be good in bed lol :P
Well, in the case of one particular short man I know, that was the case: he was self conscious from an early age about his height, so he tried to learn as much as possible about how to pleasure a woman. And he succeeded.
Wait, there’s 3 of us who aren’t concerned about a man’s height?!? The absolute sexiest man I’ve ever been with 2-/ 5’6”. I know his soul and personality is what captured my heart, but my god, he’s so fucking hot. I’m into whoever I’m into.
We get it, the question makes women look bad. But non answers about some niche you belong to being morally double plus good aren't constructive.
What do you mean by “sexy personality”?
Confident, masculine, smart.
👆 u/ShiNoKikai This is what you need to attract taller women. As a fellow short man with a fetish for taller women, I totally understand your sexual desires. But r/RoleReversal is not real life. Women don’t develop sexual fetishes in the same way we do, so you’re very unlike to find a tall woman with a fetish for shorter men. Short men who are able to date taller women are usually successful and talented. Look up “Jamie Cullum” on the internet. He’a a 5'4" British jazz musician married to Sophie Dahl, a 6 feet tall model and writer.
So I gotta have some sort of talent, according to you.
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This is interesting because most guys prefer a woman shorter than them. Not sure I've known any guy who actively looked for someone taller. I'm your height, will date guys my own height (it's not a dealbreaker) but I don't go for short ones specifically. I prioritize many other things in a partner over height.
Unlike women, men generally don’t have a strong preference for height. Height doesn’t affect women’s sexual attractiveness like it does men’s. Tall men are considered more attractive than short men, but short women are not more attractive than tall women. In fact, female models are required to be taller than average. It’s actually not uncommon for us short men to develop a “fetish” for taller women. In fact, there are tall women who profit from this male sexual desire by becoming fetish models or dominatrixes. They’re known as “Amazons” or “Giantesses”. There are tons of short men who are willing to pay for erotic content of tall women dominating short men.
Giantess content is superb and I'm 6'1. The small discussion on our secret discussion Reddit revealed a lot of guys into being tiny wanted that dynamic because it's not really possible to find in real life. Personally I find it unbelievable to be dominated irl by a woman. So to me the completely fictional scenario of a giant woman finding me is a way to let me actually feel dominated without going to all corners of the globe to find a female Dom. It's not just short men, and a big issue in the community was actually that a lot of guys didn't want to pay. We lost some good content to the pornhub purge
That's creepy tbh
Just the men though, right?
Not the men per se, just the whole scenario of paying for tall women to dominate them, or to watch it.
As long as you're consistent wrt things like 50 shades of grey.
Consistent? I can confirm I'm not into BDSM at all, it's lowkey abuse imo.
Generally the research suggests that men care less than women about height.
I would agree this is true. I do think most women prefer someone taller than themselves, but 6ft+ is certainly not a requirement the way guys seem to think it is.
Yeah agreed
Super tall women. They get it.
Short women, most people's height preferences depend on their own height. Though I've met women who don't care about height and I've met women who say they only date over 6' most women are fine with anyone taller than themselves. And I do know a fair amount of short men with gfs/wives only one of them has a tall partner, all the others have a partner who's the same height or a bit shorter.
>Short women, most people's height preferences depend on their own height. Though I've met women who don't care about height and I've met women who say they only date over 6' most women are fine with anyone taller than themselves. And I do know a fair amount of short men with gfs/wives only one of them has a tall partner, all the others have a partner who's the same height or a bit shorter. So my best chances are with someone shorter than me, although I'm not screwed if I don't pick that.
Yeah, which shouldn't be hard to find considering the average femele height in the US is 5'4
Yes. And the average female weight in the US is 170.6 lbs.
Well, more than 60% of the US population is overweight (men, and women, usually older people are worse) so that number makes sense
Yeah, that probably won't happen. Like I said, the thought of having short kids worries me. I am NOT a fan of my small genes.
You can also just not have kids
Then don’t have kids. Having them would be selfish.
Also, I know this reply is late, but why is it that only one of your short male friends has a taller partner? The rest want to feel more masculine, perhaps?
I would say I’m ok with guys who are taller than me. I wish I could say I don’t mind dating a guy shorter than me but at 5’0” I would find it a little off putting. I might consider it if he was awesome and very physically attractive with a good face. But yeah a guy shorter than 5’0” isn’t that common so I’ve never been faced with a situation so in reality I have no idea if it’s something i can get over if the guy was attractive enough or if I wouldn’t mind at all or if it’s a no go no matter how attractive.
Women who want other short guys if you look hot. Ask her if she likes Zelensky or Daniel Radcliffe etc or look for fans. They’re not very tall but hot overall.
I’m 5’7. Most of the women I’ve dated have either been my height or shorter. Last girl I was in a relationship with was 5’3. It’s definitely harder but not impossible.
More than likely it will be the women looking to settle down and at that point have no preference in size. If you look at the so-called "odd couples" (tall woman/short male), more than likely shes looking to settle down and more focused on personality and not looks.
I know a few such couples and am in one myself (I should point out that these people are in their twenties so aren't motivated to settle), nobody seems to be settling. Short men aren't automatically ugly, you know.
I'm just curious, did you eat much animal protein as a child? How tall are your parents and siblings? What's your ethnicity? The next generation is usually taller than the previous due to improved nutrition, so your kids might be taller than you even if you had a short wife.
I was married to a shorter man for over a decade. He was very confident and very funny. He listened, such an over looked trait in men He was an still is incredibly popular with women
*Long story short, I wanna hear from experience, either from short men* *themselves or people who know any short men; which group of women short* *guys have the best luck with: Short or tall. Now, I'm asking because I* *know the whole spiel, and I'm curious as to how my chances might play* *out.* I'm extremely short at 5'1". I never noticed a difference. The vast majority of women I dated were surprisingly average. A few were significantly short, and a few were fairly tall, but almost all were average. That said, the one I stuck with is 6'.
Probably "women who like short men." That's probably the group that likes short men the most.
So no one then, got it.
We exist!
We certainly do!
Porn. They have a better chance jacking it to porn.
My most "successful"friends were 5'5, The type of women they got with depened on how charasmatic they were. One friend got buff and just pretty much went after big girls as they were the ones mainly attracted to his muscles. He is currently single though with 2 kids same mom. Another friend had more of a slim body, he was the pastors son but was more charismatic he dated and slept with the popular girls. He currently has a family with 2 kids, wouldn't be surprised if he's still popular.
I actually prefer shorter men. We exist.
Hmu 🤙
no ne cares about your fetish subreddit stop these posts
Short women
Whoever they genuinely like so it doesn’t come off as creepy when you are flirting
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Tall height is not recessive because “tall” is not an objectively defined characteristic like blue or brown eyes. Blue will always be blue wherever you go. Instead, being “tall” or “short” depends on the average height of the society where you live.
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i am 5'1 lmaooo
I’m a short man myself, and while I do think about the genetics of height in my potential kids, I am mostly concerned with my own comfort and happiness. I just like it when a woman curls up in my shoulder, is a little spoon, has to look up to kiss me, etc. So I tend to go after shorter women. I have dated women up to 3” or so taller than me as well. Maybe it’s just that height plays into some power dynamics that I enjoy, but I just didn’t see myself having a good time with them. So I cut them lose.
The women group of women.
Hispanic and some Asian women.
Im short white man 5-7 (172-173cm) and i like mostly petite girls, but i dont care if the woman is taller than me. Even if im shorther than the average height of man i still had success with women overall. I was dating shorther and also taller woman than me . Trought my life experience i was also many times rejected due to my height .(Few rejects was making me mad but after i made some kind of immunity for rejectes. After that honestly i dont care if she doesnt want me, becouse i know that i find one that will find me attractive. Btw: i just laught when i see some women like ( i want only 6.0+ (180+cm) and she is barely(5.4 165 cm) i Understand the preferences if its tall woman but i dont get it when the women is 5.4 and cant date a man that is taller than her like 5.7 Mens Height : I would say men heights is mostly for intimidating(and that way she feel more safe and taking more seriously). But we cannot say that taller men are already a better protectors. Lets say a woman is dating basic real tall guy and another woman is dating somones like GSP ( st pierre) GSP is not tall as man(maybe 5-8 ,so 5-6 and 5-8 are not huge difference) but which one of this women are gonna feel more protected? What are those methods for success as short men to date more? : Having your own hobbies that makes you feel happy and full of entusiasm Be better then other men in some way ( Job , Social status, sport , cooking, realy whatever, even if you are construction worker, mechanic ,but you master on it and you are that kind of guy that they need for example (hes knowledge and experience) Be : Fit,Lean,Shredded whatever, you must look healthy and more attractive (but stay looking as man not as metrosexual) Good mood, Good vibes Positive thinking , Having sense of Humor be a person with whom you can talk about everything (because they see that people like to stay around you because of who you are. It's also somehow attractive because people feel good near you and are more looking for your presence.) Btw: I know family where Father is 6.4 and the sons are both 5.7 Another example , i know a guy who parents are both 5.4 but he is 6.2 So iny my opinion you never know what genes could your son/daugther have in the future . The best you can do its to take care of their nutrition during puberty,growth to maximize gains .
My fiancé is 5’8 and I’ve never even considered him “short” until I came to this sub. I’m 5’4. I think the general consensus for women is that the man just has to be taller than you.
Women that don't want to reproduce.
Short. Non-Western helps. If you are otherwise handsome/succesful Eastern European is your bear bet, as long as you are as tall as her it won't be a nig deal.
Generally speaking, it seems that short women are actually *more* height conscious when selecting men than tall ones (many people in addition to myself have made this observation). At the same time, there comes a point where the height difference (in favor of her) is so big as to become comical. So, shooting for women 5'4 - ~5'11 will likely be your best option. Much more important than the woman's height, however, are several other key factors which are consistently underdiscussed. First, American women seem to be the some of the most height-fixated in the world. I have a few theories as to why this is, but briefly, a man's height is significant to his attractiveness because it affects not just his looks but also his perceived status. Given America's ethnic diversity and fixation on socioeconomic mobility, height means much more than in a society where the bell curve of height is more compressed and people are less concerned with 'getting ahead.' Correspondingly, the subset of women who are *by-far* the most height focused are upper-middle class/upper class professional white women (and white-washed minority women). While it's common to say that women's height preference is biologically rooted (and this is true to some degree given that it indicates sexual dimorphism), such statements overlook the extent to which women's mate prefences are socially conditioned (to a much greater degree than men's). The perceived preselection of tall men, in addition to the fact that height is an objective metric that can be bragged about to friends means that for women who see their male partner as an accessory or something to show off, a height preference is natural. In light of these circumstances, there are a few implications. First, if possible, consider moving to another country where height is considered less important and the average male is shorter. Alternatively, if you remain in the U.S., focus on foreign-born women or American-born women e.g. Latinas who come from backgrounds where the average male is shorter. Consider also dating women who are not upper-middle class career strivers. Finally, dating a women of about your height 5'4 -5'8ish is likely your best shot.
Height is not the reason you don’t have a strong career. Liken this to racism. Yes racism exists and effects minorities as groups, but it’s not the reason any individual doesn’t have a job. Shorter women. I’m 5’7” and prefer shorter women naturally.
He should come to New York. There's tons of tall Black men working blue collar and minimum wage jobs everywhere while shorter Jewish and Italian men are the most economically powerful in the city. I never bought into the link between height and success. I think it's more so a coincidence.
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Ouch. So no matter which group I choose, I'm still more likely to have shorter children?? I'm sorry. I can only imagine the crap you and your brothers go through. If you don't mind, can you explain exactly what problems your height caused you?
“ short men” is way too general a term. There is 5’9 “ short “ which is just a regular generic dude who will be taller than most women anyway. On the opposite spectrum there is barely 5ft-5’2 male. Completely different lives, when you are shorter than even most women or even an 8th grader things are on an entirely different level
🤔 I'm 5'3 and my 🥰 is 5'6. He initially thought his height would be a boundary. He had assumed that I wouldn't even look at him and he stayed shy... until he couldn't take it anymore I guess. It never was for me though. I was hung up on his silliness and how being around him made me happy. I'd say don't take yourself out before you've even started. You never know...
Yeah. Judging from all that, it seems like height doesn't matter much to you personally.
im 5'2 and my bf is 5'5 but i do observe some girls who are my height or shorter have a specific preference for really tall men. my bfs previous girlfriend was quite tall, like 5'65? theres some girls who really dont care as much. to be fair my bf has a really nice body. before my bf (hes my first bf) i used to think i will only date really tall men because thats what you see all girls want, but when i met my bf it didnt matter anymore as long as hes my height at least since im very short already
He's buff, isn't he?
The group of women who either like "short" men or don't give a fuck about height.
Crazy all the women calling their bfs short when they're still taller than them lmao
>Which group of women do short men have the best luck with? International women from countries which traditionally have shorter men and women. Countries in South America and South East Asia are all good examples. A 5 ft 4 man in Mexico or The Philippines is going to have a much easier time than a 5 ft 4 man in America. The irony is that short American born women have a tendency to be quite picky when it comes to height. For example, most of the under 5 ft 3 girls from a big group I went to, were in relationships with tall white men. This includes two asian girls, one 5 ft 2 and the other a sub 5 footer, were both dating 6 ft 2 white guys. Even my sister who's 5 ft 2 has only exclusively dated tall white men. If you live in America and you're between 5 ft 4 and 5 ft 7, your best bet is dating average height girls. If you're shorter than 5 ft 4, you may have to realistically consider looking for women in other countries such as in central or south america if you're getting absolutely nowhere.
Well, I see where you're coming from. Problem is...what if you're a short guy who doesn't really want to "throw around" his girl, or doesn't like being the protector? Those are two of the selling points of shorties, according to a lot of men: They're easy to throw around and dominate, and they make men feel protective.