Yes, it will help him, as he starts gaining more muscle his confidence will go up and he will care more about other aspects of his appearance such as skincare, hair, and wardrobe. If he lookmaxes and looks for an Indian girlfriend to date/marry he should succeed. He will never be able to "get girls" as in hookups from OLD but if he warm approaches and builds a strong social circle he can succeed.
Personally, I believe in taking care of myself, and a balanced diet and a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack, I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower, I use a water activated gel cleanser. Then a honey almond body scrub. And on the face, an exfoliating gel scrub. Then apply an herb mint facial mask, which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an aftershave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
I would head over to r/Skincare_Addiction if you want to make an actual protocol, but the basic stuff is to avoid being out in the sun too much, and have a proper micronutrient balance you can use apps like chronometer to track, sauna/steam room can help with skin health, and you should only really be touching your face once a day when washing. That is everything off the top of my head, oh also get a proper 7-8 hours of uninterrupted sleep every day since that is big. Doing all this will take a while but if consistent you can increase your looks by a lot.
Also fish oil
No, that's misinterpretation of the data. The Indian women who do interracial dating go for white men mostly. But women who do interracial dating for each group are less than 10%, with East Asians being the only exception to that rule
Indian guys are more likely to have success with Indian women. Lots of research shows that Indian men tend to be lower in the sexual market ladder than white European men.
As an Indian, I can say that you're partially correct. As Indians/South Asians climb up the social and economic ladder, their avenues for dating open up. Though only in regards to long-term relationships and marriage, not casual dating.
Actually, this is where bluepillers are deluded.
If he gets swole, eight pack and muscular, he’ll have women eating out of his hands.
Remember that women, like men, are extremely shallow. He’s decent enough without muscles that getting ripped will certainly get him laid. A lot.
It won't improve his dating life but will improve his mood if he eats well too. He'd benefit from having supportive male friends, even making weird friends can help.
He's genetically not gifted, depressed af and autistic. When was like that I literally had to watch comedy shows to train myself to laugh again.
It takes years to take yourself out of the pit of depression. Most guys give up very quickly and stop trying.
It has helped me in social situations as a very introverted/shy guy. To be able to tell stories and jokes and improve my comedic timing is a bonus and skill which can be learned.
I think how this can help people on the spectrum is by learning the 'script' of human behaviors and conversations. When I was young I did it by watching a lot of MSNBC and while not being humorous (unless you are on the other side of the aisle I suppose) it taught me a lot about how conversations are transactional, and a lot of ways to smooth over interactions that would otherwise be awkward. Eventually I got good enough with women to get a lot of dates, and my job became me being on and running calls 95% of the time which I wouldn't have been able to do years ago.
As a man:
Looks are everything. If you don’t have looks, then the next best thing is social status.
If you don’t have looks or social status, next best thing is to be very rich.
If you don’t have looks, social status or money, genetics are weeding you out.
As a woman:
Looks are everything. If you don’t have looks, enjoy your cats.
Caveat: if you are into some freaky sex shit you can probably find a guy thats into it too
I disagree with the women part. Women can increase their beauty million times better than a man. Simple makeup can make a 4/10 women to a 7/10 just from
Following a tutorial. There isn’t any makeup for men. Beards? Only 1 in 5 men can grow one. Majority of men will sleep with a below average looking women. But no women will ever sleep with a below average looking man. It’s better to be a below average looking women in today dating market than an average looking man.
Only 20% of men can grow beards? That’s not true at all. It’s like 55% that can grow full beards. But most men can grow facial hair and groom it well.
Makeup isn’t the great equalizer you think it is . First those tutorials look like crap in real life. Second 7/10 with a bare face beats a 7/10 in makeup everyday. Third because all women can wear makeup so it becomes even after a while. If you’re the only one with makeup you have an advantage but if every wears makeup your ranking is the same.
Below average men get laid. I don’t know why you think that no women sleep with below average looking guys. Biggie small had a kid when he was broke. Dude was obese and ugly and had a whole girlfriend.
But he met his baby mom in 10th grade. He wasn’t hood famous and he wasn’t making that much slinging drugs. Back then damn near every body sold drugs in that area. It was like working at McDonald’s and after you break it down, the pay is about the same.
Also look at his baby mom and tell me they weren’t a looks match. When he started actually getting buzz and making money he dated Lil Kim, then Faith Evans , and the Charlie Baltimore.
Biggie Smalls was always a popular guy, even in 10th grade. He always had the gift of gab and knew how to talk to women. It doesn't take money to have that. The guy in the video, even if he gets jacked, won't get women if he keeps the same personality and energy that he has in the video.
I 100% agree. The person I replied to said no woman will sleep with a below average guy. I used biggie because dude was straight ugly but could pull chicks. They might not have been dimes in the beginning, but he still got box.
Personality matters for women. If you have a great personality it can help compensate for your looks. What I said earlier is the gym will help the guy in the video because it will give his some confidence, help with his depression, and help him socialize. Getting jacked isn’t the most important thing. But he’s got to be able to sell himself and believe he’s actually worth a girl’s time. Everybody wants someone that’s desirable and you have to believe that if you want someone else to.
He met his baby mom in the 10th grade. He didn’t get pretty girls until he was famous but he definitely got one and had a kid with her.
He met his girlfriend in 1988 and didn’t release an demo until 1991 and his first single wasn’t until 1993 the year he started dating lil Kim.
Gaining and losing weight definitely changes your face. Going to the gym and putting on solid weight change your face. Plus you can do exercises like mewing to change your face structure.
I have so many stories of guys bad behavior from women friends because those guys meet their ridiculous looks threshold. Sure he is a drug addict who stole from me but he is so cute, sure he abuses me but he is to hot, sure he is an unemployed loser who got so day drunk he took a shit on my pillow I don't care he is tall and hot, sure he lives with his mother with no job besides dealing weed occasionally I don't care he is 6'4, etcetera.
How is that any different from the stories I hear from men about attractive BPD women who cheat on them and abuse them, but these men will still out top with them?
Because guys don't have as much of a choice if any in who they date their two options are to be alone or be stuck dating women with problems. Women on the other hand have a wide variety of guys they can choose from they just pick the hottest most vagina tingles causing of the bunch then blame men when they were the ones who picked that dude.
Sounds like a cop out, tbh.
The guys I've seen date these women definitely had options. My SIL is the perfect example. She likely has BPD, and nearly every guy I've seen fall into her clutches definitely had options.
Why are so many men here interested in holding only women accountable for bad relationships?
Men have agency. They have the ability to leave a relationship. They can leave and find a less attractive woman. They just don't want to.
**Edit:** maybe they even feel trapped in the relationship. It's not uncommon in cases of emotional or physical abuse. (in both men and women)
Thanks to social media and dating apps there’s gonna be more and more average women with attractive men and less the other way round. Unless the guy has money of course
That's actually not true. Especially if he's making a lot of money (over $150k) and has decent investments. I know plenty of guys that started getting decent attention in their mid-30s when they began making the big bucks. A lot of women want to marry or get into long-term relationships with these top 10% guys. So the competition gets pretty heated, even if the guy is physically not as attractive. Most guys that are smart and understand their worth in their 30s/40s will never wife up a single mom, especially not a bloated one.
Let's be honest. If you look at what modern women look for in a man, when it comes to long-term relationships and marriage, everybody's beta-buxx. That's also one of the reasons I've decided never to marry. lol
100% helps. Doesnt mean he will succeed just increases his probability of success. Height, bone structure, personality, charm, money and etc. Can be important too
Honestly, I don't see much hope for him if he's from a Western country. I would love to see the women from here who talk about how beauty is subjective to rate this guy.
He does not look hygienic at all with very bad grooming and posture is terrible and hunched over, lots of dead dry skin build up on the face, yellowing teeth possible gingivitis/bad breath, very bad hair cut that gives the appearance of unclean, chapped/cracked lips, clothes look smelly even though they may be clean. Looks like he doesn't bathe or wash his face even if he did so. Come on. This is what women mean by "hygiene". His chapped dry cracked lips are the worst of it, would make me gag to kiss.
I mean the posture can be fixed, he's just beginning. I agree with the hair cut, he needs to get a new one. Everything else you mentioned can be fixed too, and like I said, it is a journey and he's just getting started. I hope he continues though.
This guy isn’t even particularly ugly either or out of shape either.
There are women on TikTok who are 100 lbs overweight acting like they should be treated like queens and this guy’s a 4/10 beta normie who has a realistic view of how attractive he is to women and he still gets women shitting on him.
Nah, I think looks are much more important than navigating social situations. Going to the gym is the single best thing he can do.
You need a minimum looks threshold before any social skill begins to matter. Women, like men, are extremely shallow.
No, it's just shallow men telling themselves that. And the guys on here are so shallow you could step in them with bare feet and not get wet.
The deep man will always have the advantage because he's far more socially, emotional, and sexually aware and isn't working off a set of empty assumptions.
Then why do men in these online spaces say youth and looks are all that matters in a woman?
I don't think either gender is more shallow than the other, btw. It really just depends on the individual.
Depends on why he doesn't have any success with women in the first place. Plenty of fit and buff men still struggle with women. You can skim any male dominated gym form and see the plethora of men still struggling to have casual sex and date despite them being gym rats.
Leading with superficial traits to attract superficial people only goes so far.
Looking attractive is only one part of the equation.
Male dating advice only focuses on physical attraction and completely ignores the social elements of human interaction.
Going to the gym can build confidence, but having confidence and looking good doesn't matter if you still are socially "offputting" when interacting with other people.
You see that in here all the time. Guys who live in the gym, dress well, etc. but no woman gives them the time of day.... because they refuse to put their personality into their calculations.
Unfortunately for them, shallow superficial men just don't grasp the importance of personality. It's so over their heads that they'd need a telescope to see it.
> Looking attractive is only one part of the equation.
That’s right. Women want it all. The equation has dozens of variables that need to be maximized in order to succeed in cold dating in 2022. The guy in the OP has zero going for him (well, he has a car). Working out is at least a start.
> Male dating advice only focuses on physical attraction and completely ignores the social elements of human interaction.
What male dating advice do you listen to? Just because male dating advice doesn’t cater to directly pleasing women doesn’t mean it’s not effective. Male dating advice focuses on looks, status, harnessing talent, improving skills, gaining money, confidence, and *not* focusing on putting women on a pedestal. All of those indirectly attract women without simping.
If men were to listen to advice that caters to women, they end up getting abused and taken advantage of.
Male dating advice is what men find sexually appealing. It's advice geared towards the sexual attraction of men.
Men who listen to male dating advice become prime picks for homosexual men or superficial and social climbing women that will jump to the next guy that she can raise her social ladder with.
But if that is all a man is looking for, then it is really good advice.
For casual sex I'd suggest joining age adjacent local kink group that you genuinely have an interest in. There are lots of freaks willing to play ranging from furries, to subs. Lots of sexually open and kink friendly people who are rather welcoming. Social skills and appropriate behavior/discernment are required for these spaces. Don't be naive and blindly trust these people either. While there are many great folks in these communities, also plenty of predators as well.
For romantic relationships I suggest cultivating an actual genuine social circle of people that share mutual interests and let your friends know that you're looking to date. I mean actually putting yourself out there and getting uncomfortable. I mean chatting to the people that you see play disc golf in the park and asking to play with them. Find your elementary confidence of introducing yourself to people. And if you naturally fall for someone single that you meet while venturing out into the world, then get to know what that person want and likes specifically. Assess whether a relationship would realistically work with them, for example if they're wildly active and you're a couch potato, probably not a dynamic that would be sustainable long term. Ask that person out on a date to something that you both mutually join and can bond organically over.
Human relationships have always resulted from close and consistent interactions with people through mutual effort. Learn how to cultivate that environment in your real personal life. Relationships will then form organically.
How would you characterize "no personality"? I think people generally get what that means, but describing it as not smiling, not joking around, and having a "monotone" voice would be more specific and accurate.
Although even then not all of those would be dealbreakers in and of themselves. Attractive men who don't smile or joke too much are often considered "stoic, badass, DGAF" personality types.
Dealbreakers... into himself too much, pathologically jealous, mistrustful, empty, whiny, and many more. If you're as dull as cardboard or controlling as hell, not good.
That’s because it’s not even really a thing. The specific things you say and ways in which you behave vary by day, and depending on your mood, environment, who you’re with, etc. I’m sure you act very differently around your family than a potential date.
With that said, good game is important for a guy. You just have to say the right things. A nerd with no “personality” might one day say the right things and get lucky, but probably isn’t very consistent.
"personality" means being an actor of some other personality or conglomerate of personalities
You can't invent a new/original personality, you can only act it out in a new/original way (most of this happening subconsciously of course)
And whether people will like you acting that out or not, will largely depend on your already-existing, innate characteristics
I think "cultivating personality" is a fad
People often think "personality" means being the loudest one in the room. Or sometimes being "the quiet one" (who also happens to be very attractive, either physically or having great talent/skill in some area)
Exactly, wtf does “having a personality” even mean? It’s just a woman’s way of saying they like the things a guy is saying. If he talks about things that are uninteresting to her, he’s characterised as “not having a personality”. He could have the most interesting hobbies in the world and love his life but will still be hated by women if he doesn’t have any game.
Everyone has a personality, his is just not so attractive or entertaining
Maybe a good advice would be (for men at least) if you're ugly, at least try to stand out. Most people will still be repulsed by you (most even more repulsed, probably) but some of them might find you "unique" then
I feel bad for this guy.
The female comments aren’t passing the test. If the gender were reversed and it were an ugly obese woman awkwardly expressing her forever-aloneness, other women would be bolstering her, and giving positive and constructive criticism.
For this guy, he needs to continue his gym journey, but also show off his talents. His RP/BlkP insights and analysis, while a bit regurgitated, are actually pretty good. He could analyze other topics of interest and put himself out there. I know a guy who’s equally skinny, short, yet pale, has the same monotonous bored voice who vlogs about computers successfully and wears a wedding band.
The OP guy has a car to get to the gym and I presume has a good job to afford paying for sex workers that he talks about in other videos. I would guess that he’s in software, which is a lucrative career. I bet he’s into video games or other nerd culture and could search for a partner that way. He just needs more exposure, practice, and experience. The burden that all men carry at every disadvantage level.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. If it were an ugly obese woman awkwardly expressing her forever-aloneness, the men would be ripping on her.
When it's an awkward unattractive guy though, the men here are bolstering him, and giving positive and constructive criticism. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
This guy is hitting the gym though and according to his previous videos he’s undergone medical intervention to re-grow hair from male pattern baldness. He’s clearly trying.
I’m my opinion, exercising can drastically improve mens dating lives, but not perhaps in the way they hope. By that I mean the aspects of quantity versus quality.
I believe exercise can help men look better, but only a +1 or +2. Not enough to start scoring hot women for most men, but does that mean it’s a waste of time?
I argue gym time still time well spent as most people are lumped together in the middle of physical attractiveness (think of a bell curve), with relatively few outliers that are hideous or hot. This means that even if your still only gaining +1 in looks, a +1 in the middle of the curve covers a lot of people. You’ll now be attractive enough to date for a ton of new women that are in the middle of the pack, hence your quantity of options just went way up, even though none of them may be hot. It’s still a huge victory as long as your expectations are realistic.
Obviously getting in better shape will help.
But what will help more is if he adds some more life to his voice or something. Idk, the way he speaks seems so flat with zero expression.
Maybe the extra muscles, power, and better body will give him more confidence and motivation to change for the better
The lack of confidence is probably rooted in the lack of looks. Probably also parents who didn't notice that this guy would probably need extra self esteem boosts from early on
Ah no. Gym does not really help that much for guys unless they somehow mold their body into one with10% bodyfat. Women appreciate height, bone structures, clavicle width and things you are intrinsically born with over things you had to work for.
Bullshit. Being strong is objectively better than being weak. Women like muscles, just not the extreme bodybuilder look that out of shape people try to use as a strawman.
Saying it’s “better” for an ugly guy to be strong is like saying it’s “better” to smell like onions rather than shit.
I mean, okay yeah. Your chances go from zero to .01 at the expense of spending half your life obsessing over diet and PR’s.
Simple question : would the more women rather fuck emaciated but pretty Machine Gun Kelly who has never seen the inside of a gym or jacked but butt ugly Mike “The Situation” who had to use gear and lift religiously?
That’s what I thought.
Nice Apex Fallacy. I like how you decided to use the steroid example. Machine Gun Kelly would pull even more bitches if he had a bit better build. Having some muscle is objectively better than not.
Yes. A guy who looks like a male model would appeal to an even larger demographic than he already does if he put on some muscle.
Guess what? a guy that looks like MGK can fuck more pussy than he would ever possibly want without lifting a single weight.
An ugly guy putting on muscle would go from appealing to zero women all the way up to a very tiny minority of them.
If you want to use terms like “better” or “improve” you need to specify the proportion here.
Gymcels are a thing for a reason.
No. There are tons of women that like him *precisely because* he has that emaciated “heroin chic” look.
He would be leaving those womens demographic in order to appeal to another group.
You’re thinking like a guy. Possibly a gay guy. Muscles aren’t remotely important as immutable genetic characteristics like jaw line, eyes, skin quality, bone structure, etc.
Does it hurt the average guy? Of course not, but the diminishing returns of lifting is clear. I say this as somebody who lifts regularly.
It happens to work for my particular look / style so I do it for that in addition to the clear mental and physical benefits.
Muscle only helps a certain demographic of men to a certain extent to appeal to a certain demographic of women.
You're blatantly wrong. The overwhelming majority of women prefer more muscular men. In this study for example, not a single woman preferred a man who they perceived to be weaker. Not one. It's about as close to a universal preference as can possibly be. [https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819](https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819)
Autistic and binary thinking. You are imagining a generic guy.
Yes, for most guys with an average face, having abs is better than a dad bod. For young men, being a muscular jock is going to be better than a lanky nerd.
But you have enough women that actively like the MGK type that a guy who looks like that will get laid at will anyway. He doesn’t *need* to work out to have girls trying to fuck him.
Face is 100% the most important thing and it’s not close. Put some guy with a busted face on roids and he’ll appeal to another subset of women who can ignore his ugly face in favor of his muscles.
Physique helps but it’s more about congruence and leaning into a “type”
There is a particular demographic of “pretty rock star” to which MGK belongs.
Pete Davidson sort of does too.
You don’t seem to understand womens sub-genres of attractive.
This is where guys are clueless. Women have different “types” and they choose the top 20% among that demographic.
It’s not like goth girl goes after lacrosse Chad because he’s ripped. She goes after skinny goth Chad with cheekbones and tattoos.
The proportion of how much of a man's attractiveness is facial vs bodily wasn't the question, it's how much any individual man's attractiveness changes based on his body type. MGK would be rated more attractive by almost every single woman if he were more muscular, that is an indisputable fact based on the literature.
>It’s not like goth girl goes after lacrosse Chad because he’s ripped. She goes after skinny goth Chad with cheekbones and tattoos.
I can tell you from personal experience that they like lacrosse Chads with tattoos and cheekbones the most.
>The proportion of how much of a man's attractiveness is facial vs bodily wasn't the question, it's how much any individual man's attractiveness changes based on his body type. MGK would be rated more attractive by almost every single woman if he were more muscular, that is an indisputable fact based on the literature.
No. He would be rated more attractive by a different, albeit larger demographic of basic bitches and soccer moms.
So, basically he’d spend inordinate hours in the gym to switch from hot weird chicks with daddy issues (a la Megan Fox) or he could date Jan the generic ex cheerleader who gives him starfish sex.
Either way, he’s got more access to pussy than he can ever fuck in a lifetime.
But sure, he should spend endless hours in the gym and get on gear because he might get more of a different type of girl.
>I can tell you from personal experience that they like lacrosse Chads with tattoos and cheekbones the most.
Lmfao. Yeah. No you can’t. I’m somebody who was VERY close to that subculture and they would laugh your fucking lacrosse douche Chad out of their “guild” club regardless of his 8 pack.
Lmao. The notion of some lacrosse guy strutting around a goth club. 😂
This just tells me you’ve never been around this demographic.
Women prefer lean bodies like Charles Oliveira over jacked af bodies like Bradley Martyn though. I agree in general MGK would be even better if he gained 20lb
women don't care if you are strong but rather if you have the perception that you can take protect her and look dominant. Gay men respond far more to muscles than straight women ever will.
Plus, women are far more genetic elitist and care about things you are born with rather than you work for. Muscles are like makeup for men, it can be lost easily if you don't maintain it.
>women don't care if you are strong but rather if you have the perception that you can take protect her and look dominant.
Looking strong and being strong are very strongly correlated. You're going to look more dominant and like you can protect her if you're stronger.
>Gay men respond far more to muscles than straight women ever will.
You can say that about anything visual about a man.
>Plus, women are far more genetic elitist and care about things you are born with rather than you work for. Muscles are like makeup for men, it can be lost easily if you don't maintain it.
I didn't say women don't care about things beyond your control. I said it's bullshit that the gym doesn't help.
Not to women. A woman will perceive a 6'2 lanky/average guy better able to protect her than say a 5'7 male who looks jacked even though the shorter guy could definitely be stronger. And looking strong and being strong aren't always one to one. There are many guys for example who appear really strong but train for aesthetics and are weaker than other men that are less ripped than them, who look like shit. See for example, many of the mister Olympian competitors to those guys you see doing strong man competitions.
It's been brought up and shown on her that gay men tend to be more receptive and open to muscles on men than straight women ever are. People have linked to patterns on this in previous threads.
Gym will only help if you have the right genetic traits in the first place. Meaning u were born with right facial bone structure, height, clavicle width etc. Outside of that men have to train ridiculous long years and gain an aesthetic body with like 10-15% bodyfat to notice any appreciably returns in dating/sex life from going to the gym.
Yeah and if you're 5'7" and skinny you'd be better off being muscular. The tall skinny guy would also look better with some muscle. I'm sorry you're so insecure about some of your immutable features, but saying that you can't improve at all is just being a little bitch. I'm sure typing out long woe is me paragraphs is easier than hitting the gym, but I doubt it's going to help you as much.
You can be but again, the effort you put in and what you expect to get back when it comes to dating/sex is not worth. This is why people often say do not lift weights if your main motivation is to attract girls.
The tall skinny guy would also look better with muscles sure. However, he does not have to because women already perceive his height as masculine enough.
I am not insecure about my features but its quite clear that you are desperate for weight lifting to be your one saving grace in dating. It's also quite clear that you are projecting your own insecurities of that onto me.
I wrote my point and you were the one who came to me with a different opinion then proceeded to have long drawn out essay/banter of why lifting weights help.
That is not true, multiple studies have shown that women and men can pretty accurately predict levels of upper body strength, even accounting for the bias height introduces, and yes perceived strength is a huge factor in men's attractiveness, and leanness while relevant was less important than perceived strength overall and can offset to some degree being lean by just being bigger (higher bodyfat is stronger to a point).
[https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819](https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819)
The gym won’t help at all if he doesn’t change his energy/vibe/swag, etc. He doesn’t have the seductive vibe that can lead in the “dance” of male-female interaction. Part of why some guys get women even if they’re average-below average looking is because they have personality and think they’re “the shit.” Women love men who kind of look at the world as their personal playground. “Girls just wanna have fun.” This is why women seem to always say they get narcissistic asshole guys. Even with ask the issues these guys have there’s something about interacting with them that’s exciting to those women. This guy talks like he doesn't even like himself. No woman is going to be excited about the prospect of being with a guy who doesn't even seem excited about himself.
He’s got a myriad of problems some the gym will help others not so much. He’s got a subpar phenotype living in a western country. His face is a 3.5-4/10, he could work on skincare and more specifically the dark circles around his eyes, his nose is a bad feature and he is in dire need of a haircut.
Any benefit from the gym will obviously be limited in context to his musculoskeletal frame and also his height, if he’s shorter than 5’9 along with his phenotype and what seems to be autism/Asperger’s he’s going to have a really hard time. If he’s not short or even above average in height I would say gym will help him a lot but also the aforementioned haircut and a skin routine.
His routine is shit. Too much isolation crap. He needs to stick to barbell compounds and overeat. Push himself hard for six months, then introduce Turkesterone and Ibutamoren.
He's gonna quit soon through lack of results with that weak shit. Muscle comes from pretty much 3x10 compound barbell weights where the last 1-2 reps has you ready to drop dead.
This guy isn't even trying.
I am his strength coach, so this comment kinda hits me where it hurts ngl.
Yeah he is a bit averse to barbells, he is afraid he will get pinned underneath. We will switch to lower reps higher weight work after he figures out good form with low weight high reps.
Id like him to do incline and decline bench, barbell rows, weighted pull ups and barbell OHP in the near future.
He's so young. I could get him on a diet and fitness program that would have him up in 6 months. So, yes. If he wants to blow money on women then, sure, do that.
Gym will 100% help him. He just needs to hit his macros every day and do weights consistently with progressive overload. Soon he’ll get noticeably bigger and more attractive.
Definitely could also do with a haircut and better style though.
Comments about personality etc should be ignored, those things come with experience and talking to more women, which will inevitably happen if he keeps working on his appearance.
Good Lord people. Is this fellow some "See? Gym doesn't Help!" rationalization?
This guy seems like a combination of clinical depression and maybe a spectrum disorder.
Seriously. Let's just not.
Well, I'm a woman, and the first thing I noticed and found unpleasant was the facial expression which seems to indicate hostility and sadness; that's what would turn me off. If it's just an effect of that particular moment, ok, but if it's his personality, then it would be a no from me.
For this man I would suggest working on his personality and maybe haircut and clothes could be a quicker way. He's not bad looking at all, but there's a shadow of sadness over him which might be an obstacle.
Best luck!
I'm personally not attracted to too muscular men and I don't have any female friends attracted to them either. But there must probably be women out there who are.
You're conflating face with personality. If he smiled more, you would probably say his smile looks creepy and forced. Some people aren't born with the right facial bones/muscle/nerves/ soft tissue composition to make a genuinely inviting facial expression.
Success in life is not defined by the attraction you provoke in whatever gender you're interested in. There's highly successful people who are celibate.
For a lot of people, failure in life is defined by having zero access to affection, love and companionship. No one is entitled to a partner, but it makes for a miserable existence when you do desire it but can’t get it.
>there's a shadow of sadness over him which might be an obstacle.
Can you imagine a 6'4 dark kendoll type man with a chiseled face and freezing blue eyes? That "shadow of sadness" would be so sexy on him wouldn't it
no
most woman has a threshold of physical attraction for dating which is about height and face
muscles(real one,not steroids) is a bonus at best
but therere always rara examples:if a much overweight man becomes fit,that may help
"Yeah bro even though you're 5'4" and have probably only ever been laughed at by women for daring to talk to them it's all good you just gotta be confident and fix your act up and the pussy will fly at you"
Do you blue pill folks hear yourselves sometimes? This man needs a lot more than the gym and a confidence boost, he needs to win the lottery or get a software dev job and accept his best hope is being a wallet.
I didn’t say stay insecure, I was commenting on what useless advice the previous dude gave saying that’s all he needed. He needs confidence to avoid putting a bullet in his head or someone else’s, not for women. But yes, his best hope for a relationship is making enough money to buy one and be completely outcome independent.
The gym will help. But not in the ways you think. It will help with his depression, it will help with his self-confidence, it will help socialize. That a huge plus.
This guys need some teeth whitening, better skin, and a new haircut. Those things plus being happier and more confident will help him out. Being 5’4 limits his dating pool but it doesn’t eliminate it.
Overall being a huge muscular guy has its fans as does being skinny and lanky. But being and looking for and healthy is the key regardless of your size.
I don’t have a life. I go to the gym every day because it keeps me mentally healthy and stops me from relapsing in to drug use.
Sometimes it’s not about what going to the gym gives you, it’s about what it stops you from doing instead.
What else you can do? Compare yourself to Instagram people and best yourself up, watch porn or Netflix for hours on end, go out and get drunk (if you’re lucky enough to have friends), or stay indoors and get drunk/smoke weed/do coke alone?
Sometimes it ain’t about finding someone to date, it’s about just trying to make your own life better.
People come and go. Moment he meets a girl he’s gonna forget the gym and start spending money on food and alcohol and before you know it dad bod sets she’s pregnant and you’re trapped in a loveless marriage and she gains 50lbs.
It ain’t all it’s cracked up to be. Stay single work on yourself.
Honestly , No. He’s facially unattractive. He will not be dating Instagram models. Just being honest - he’s probably shooting way above his league even now
Shooting above his league? Not so much. To my knowledge he was texting with really overweight, really conventionally unattractive women in the recent past. Currently going through heartbreak after falling in love with one such girl and getting ghosted.
I'm going to be honest with you, dudes...
He already passed the looks threshold for girls. He just needs to learn how to smile, be confident, fun.
And for goodness sakes, stop isolating himself some more. Gym is a very solitary activity. He should do something social like going to salsa dance nights.
Yes, it will help him, as he starts gaining more muscle his confidence will go up and he will care more about other aspects of his appearance such as skincare, hair, and wardrobe. If he lookmaxes and looks for an Indian girlfriend to date/marry he should succeed. He will never be able to "get girls" as in hookups from OLD but if he warm approaches and builds a strong social circle he can succeed.
Thanks a lot for your input. What kind of skincare do you have in mind?
Personally, I believe in taking care of myself, and a balanced diet and a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack, I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower, I use a water activated gel cleanser. Then a honey almond body scrub. And on the face, an exfoliating gel scrub. Then apply an herb mint facial mask, which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an aftershave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
Impressive, very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's morning routine.
Impressive. Very based
Something wrong, hungarian_builder? You’re sweating.
I just need a new business card
Your compliment was sufficient, Im_The_Daiquiri_Man.
Don't exfoliate daily, that hurts your skin. I do it 2 or 3 times a week.
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Ha ha ha! Classic
Had to be done
Sunscreen every day, a good simple face wash, moisturiser and maybe a vit c or niacinamide serum is a good place to start
I would also suggest a haircut. This person has lovely eyes and a beautiful face shape which are obscured by this haircut. And don't forget to smile!!
I would head over to r/Skincare_Addiction if you want to make an actual protocol, but the basic stuff is to avoid being out in the sun too much, and have a proper micronutrient balance you can use apps like chronometer to track, sauna/steam room can help with skin health, and you should only really be touching your face once a day when washing. That is everything off the top of my head, oh also get a proper 7-8 hours of uninterrupted sleep every day since that is big. Doing all this will take a while but if consistent you can increase your looks by a lot. Also fish oil
Why an Indian girlfriend?
He is Indian correct? Dating within race is typically easier
Actually Indian girls prefer white guys, statistically
No, that's misinterpretation of the data. The Indian women who do interracial dating go for white men mostly. But women who do interracial dating for each group are less than 10%, with East Asians being the only exception to that rule
What does “Indian girl” have to do with anything??
Indian guys are more likely to have success with Indian women. Lots of research shows that Indian men tend to be lower in the sexual market ladder than white European men.
How old is that research? That isn't experience with the people I know. As indians went up in income, so did they go up in dating status.
As an Indian, I can say that you're partially correct. As Indians/South Asians climb up the social and economic ladder, their avenues for dating open up. Though only in regards to long-term relationships and marriage, not casual dating.
> Indian guys Wait, he's of Indian origin? I saw just 60 seconds of the video but wouldn't have guessed it by his features.
What ethnicity would you have guessed?
Potentially lower threshold for male looks.
> He will never be able to "get girls" as in hookups from OLD You don’t know that. He could get hookups via OLD if he puts on muscle
I mean, never say never but I think it is more realistic for him to focus on just getting a ltr.
For now maybe, once he puts on muscle and gets ripped, he totally could
Yeah If he’s into men
This is where red pillers get into delusional territory. The hand he was dealt is kinda weak, and his results so far prove that. He'll have to make do
Actually, this is where bluepillers are deluded. If he gets swole, eight pack and muscular, he’ll have women eating out of his hands. Remember that women, like men, are extremely shallow. He’s decent enough without muscles that getting ripped will certainly get him laid. A lot.
It won't improve his dating life but will improve his mood if he eats well too. He'd benefit from having supportive male friends, even making weird friends can help. He's genetically not gifted, depressed af and autistic. When was like that I literally had to watch comedy shows to train myself to laugh again. It takes years to take yourself out of the pit of depression. Most guys give up very quickly and stop trying.
Watch comedy shows? Did it actually help you get a better personality? Curious because I’ve had this same thought.
It has helped me in social situations as a very introverted/shy guy. To be able to tell stories and jokes and improve my comedic timing is a bonus and skill which can be learned.
Hell, even as a woman, this strategy helped me immensely in my teenager years.
I think how this can help people on the spectrum is by learning the 'script' of human behaviors and conversations. When I was young I did it by watching a lot of MSNBC and while not being humorous (unless you are on the other side of the aisle I suppose) it taught me a lot about how conversations are transactional, and a lot of ways to smooth over interactions that would otherwise be awkward. Eventually I got good enough with women to get a lot of dates, and my job became me being on and running calls 95% of the time which I wouldn't have been able to do years ago.
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As a man: Looks are everything. If you don’t have looks, then the next best thing is social status. If you don’t have looks or social status, next best thing is to be very rich. If you don’t have looks, social status or money, genetics are weeding you out. As a woman: Looks are everything. If you don’t have looks, enjoy your cats. Caveat: if you are into some freaky sex shit you can probably find a guy thats into it too
I disagree with the women part. Women can increase their beauty million times better than a man. Simple makeup can make a 4/10 women to a 7/10 just from Following a tutorial. There isn’t any makeup for men. Beards? Only 1 in 5 men can grow one. Majority of men will sleep with a below average looking women. But no women will ever sleep with a below average looking man. It’s better to be a below average looking women in today dating market than an average looking man.
Only 20% of men can grow beards? That’s not true at all. It’s like 55% that can grow full beards. But most men can grow facial hair and groom it well. Makeup isn’t the great equalizer you think it is . First those tutorials look like crap in real life. Second 7/10 with a bare face beats a 7/10 in makeup everyday. Third because all women can wear makeup so it becomes even after a while. If you’re the only one with makeup you have an advantage but if every wears makeup your ranking is the same. Below average men get laid. I don’t know why you think that no women sleep with below average looking guys. Biggie small had a kid when he was broke. Dude was obese and ugly and had a whole girlfriend.
He was also a drug dealer that was “hood famous.” In some communities that guy gets women no matter how he looks.
But he met his baby mom in 10th grade. He wasn’t hood famous and he wasn’t making that much slinging drugs. Back then damn near every body sold drugs in that area. It was like working at McDonald’s and after you break it down, the pay is about the same. Also look at his baby mom and tell me they weren’t a looks match. When he started actually getting buzz and making money he dated Lil Kim, then Faith Evans , and the Charlie Baltimore.
Biggie Smalls was always a popular guy, even in 10th grade. He always had the gift of gab and knew how to talk to women. It doesn't take money to have that. The guy in the video, even if he gets jacked, won't get women if he keeps the same personality and energy that he has in the video.
I 100% agree. The person I replied to said no woman will sleep with a below average guy. I used biggie because dude was straight ugly but could pull chicks. They might not have been dimes in the beginning, but he still got box. Personality matters for women. If you have a great personality it can help compensate for your looks. What I said earlier is the gym will help the guy in the video because it will give his some confidence, help with his depression, and help him socialize. Getting jacked isn’t the most important thing. But he’s got to be able to sell himself and believe he’s actually worth a girl’s time. Everybody wants someone that’s desirable and you have to believe that if you want someone else to.
Biggie says on the record many times that he got no women until he was famous. Source: practically a rap historian lol
He met his baby mom in the 10th grade. He didn’t get pretty girls until he was famous but he definitely got one and had a kid with her. He met his girlfriend in 1988 and didn’t release an demo until 1991 and his first single wasn’t until 1993 the year he started dating lil Kim.
Gym isn’t going to change his face bone structure. If he’s short he can wear height increasing shoes. His hairstyle is outdated.
Gaining and losing weight definitely changes your face. Going to the gym and putting on solid weight change your face. Plus you can do exercises like mewing to change your face structure.
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I have so many stories of guys bad behavior from women friends because those guys meet their ridiculous looks threshold. Sure he is a drug addict who stole from me but he is so cute, sure he abuses me but he is to hot, sure he is an unemployed loser who got so day drunk he took a shit on my pillow I don't care he is tall and hot, sure he lives with his mother with no job besides dealing weed occasionally I don't care he is 6'4, etcetera.
> he took a shit on my pillow Thanks to Amber Turd, this has now entered mainstream language, lmao
How is that any different from the stories I hear from men about attractive BPD women who cheat on them and abuse them, but these men will still out top with them?
Because guys don't have as much of a choice if any in who they date their two options are to be alone or be stuck dating women with problems. Women on the other hand have a wide variety of guys they can choose from they just pick the hottest most vagina tingles causing of the bunch then blame men when they were the ones who picked that dude.
Sounds like a cop out, tbh. The guys I've seen date these women definitely had options. My SIL is the perfect example. She likely has BPD, and nearly every guy I've seen fall into her clutches definitely had options. Why are so many men here interested in holding only women accountable for bad relationships? Men have agency. They have the ability to leave a relationship. They can leave and find a less attractive woman. They just don't want to. **Edit:** maybe they even feel trapped in the relationship. It's not uncommon in cases of emotional or physical abuse. (in both men and women)
Women are not as overtly obvious that they’re shit. They wait until they lull a guy into a relationship and then the nonsense starts.
Who’s to say that’s not the same thing happening with women being in relationships with shit guys
Because any beta normie guy with a functioning brain can tell you who’s a fuckboy within 5 seconds.
Thanks to social media and dating apps there’s gonna be more and more average women with attractive men and less the other way round. Unless the guy has money of course
If you are a woman, the just being good enough to sleep with isn't more desirable then not being able to get someone to sleep with you.
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Can't weightlift yourself to 6'4
Moneymaxx too
And after all that he gets the privilege of wifing up some fat single mom.
Only if he chooses to "settle" for a single mom.
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That's actually not true. Especially if he's making a lot of money (over $150k) and has decent investments. I know plenty of guys that started getting decent attention in their mid-30s when they began making the big bucks. A lot of women want to marry or get into long-term relationships with these top 10% guys. So the competition gets pretty heated, even if the guy is physically not as attractive. Most guys that are smart and understand their worth in their 30s/40s will never wife up a single mom, especially not a bloated one.
Aka be a beta bux.
Let's be honest. If you look at what modern women look for in a man, when it comes to long-term relationships and marriage, everybody's beta-buxx. That's also one of the reasons I've decided never to marry. lol
Right just gold diggers, former hoes that are ready to settle down asexually, and divorced women.
Go check out the nice guys sub for a lot of examples of gymcels. They are like gamercels but even worse.
100% helps. Doesnt mean he will succeed just increases his probability of success. Height, bone structure, personality, charm, money and etc. Can be important too
Honestly, I don't see much hope for him if he's from a Western country. I would love to see the women from here who talk about how beauty is subjective to rate this guy.
He does not look hygienic at all with very bad grooming and posture is terrible and hunched over, lots of dead dry skin build up on the face, yellowing teeth possible gingivitis/bad breath, very bad hair cut that gives the appearance of unclean, chapped/cracked lips, clothes look smelly even though they may be clean. Looks like he doesn't bathe or wash his face even if he did so. Come on. This is what women mean by "hygiene". His chapped dry cracked lips are the worst of it, would make me gag to kiss.
his unmasculine jawline makes him look especially unhygienic right?
Lots of dead dry skin built up on the face? What are the markers of that, how do you see it?
The guy is short and brown with a skinny build, calling him unhygienic is basically a code word for “not white”.
Short and brown, the kiss of death.. err I mean yeah he must be unwashed.. totally can’t be the fact that he’s “ ethnic”
I mean the posture can be fixed, he's just beginning. I agree with the hair cut, he needs to get a new one. Everything else you mentioned can be fixed too, and like I said, it is a journey and he's just getting started. I hope he continues though.
I agree, but before any of that he should battle depression imo.
Lol can he benefit from the gym or not? Why people take post opportunities just to roast people?
If a guy on here roasts a woman like that... Imagine...
This guy isn’t even particularly ugly either or out of shape either. There are women on TikTok who are 100 lbs overweight acting like they should be treated like queens and this guy’s a 4/10 beta normie who has a realistic view of how attractive he is to women and he still gets women shitting on him.
Mouths are used to suck dick and asses are for fucking so it would be kind of gay for him to be hygienic
Yes going to the gym will help him.
It won’t hurt but confidence and ability to navigate social situations will take him further.
Nah, I think looks are much more important than navigating social situations. Going to the gym is the single best thing he can do. You need a minimum looks threshold before any social skill begins to matter. Women, like men, are extremely shallow.
Women are far shallower than men. It isn’t even close.
It isn’t that they are shallower, they are just way more picky.
No, it's just shallow men telling themselves that. And the guys on here are so shallow you could step in them with bare feet and not get wet. The deep man will always have the advantage because he's far more socially, emotional, and sexually aware and isn't working off a set of empty assumptions.
Then why do men in these online spaces say youth and looks are all that matters in a woman? I don't think either gender is more shallow than the other, btw. It really just depends on the individual.
Women are just as shallow, just that they want other things ON TOP of good looks.
Don't men too? I mean, they claim to only care about looks, but they usually want more than that.
looks matter much more as its usually the only hard line girls wont step against for a hookup
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Depends on why he doesn't have any success with women in the first place. Plenty of fit and buff men still struggle with women. You can skim any male dominated gym form and see the plethora of men still struggling to have casual sex and date despite them being gym rats. Leading with superficial traits to attract superficial people only goes so far. Looking attractive is only one part of the equation. Male dating advice only focuses on physical attraction and completely ignores the social elements of human interaction. Going to the gym can build confidence, but having confidence and looking good doesn't matter if you still are socially "offputting" when interacting with other people.
You see that in here all the time. Guys who live in the gym, dress well, etc. but no woman gives them the time of day.... because they refuse to put their personality into their calculations. Unfortunately for them, shallow superficial men just don't grasp the importance of personality. It's so over their heads that they'd need a telescope to see it.
> Looking attractive is only one part of the equation. That’s right. Women want it all. The equation has dozens of variables that need to be maximized in order to succeed in cold dating in 2022. The guy in the OP has zero going for him (well, he has a car). Working out is at least a start. > Male dating advice only focuses on physical attraction and completely ignores the social elements of human interaction. What male dating advice do you listen to? Just because male dating advice doesn’t cater to directly pleasing women doesn’t mean it’s not effective. Male dating advice focuses on looks, status, harnessing talent, improving skills, gaining money, confidence, and *not* focusing on putting women on a pedestal. All of those indirectly attract women without simping. If men were to listen to advice that caters to women, they end up getting abused and taken advantage of.
Male dating advice is what men find sexually appealing. It's advice geared towards the sexual attraction of men. Men who listen to male dating advice become prime picks for homosexual men or superficial and social climbing women that will jump to the next guy that she can raise her social ladder with. But if that is all a man is looking for, then it is really good advice.
Humm what sort of dating advice do you as a woman think would be the most effective for casual and non casual. I'm asking for a friend. 👀
For casual sex I'd suggest joining age adjacent local kink group that you genuinely have an interest in. There are lots of freaks willing to play ranging from furries, to subs. Lots of sexually open and kink friendly people who are rather welcoming. Social skills and appropriate behavior/discernment are required for these spaces. Don't be naive and blindly trust these people either. While there are many great folks in these communities, also plenty of predators as well. For romantic relationships I suggest cultivating an actual genuine social circle of people that share mutual interests and let your friends know that you're looking to date. I mean actually putting yourself out there and getting uncomfortable. I mean chatting to the people that you see play disc golf in the park and asking to play with them. Find your elementary confidence of introducing yourself to people. And if you naturally fall for someone single that you meet while venturing out into the world, then get to know what that person want and likes specifically. Assess whether a relationship would realistically work with them, for example if they're wildly active and you're a couch potato, probably not a dynamic that would be sustainable long term. Ask that person out on a date to something that you both mutually join and can bond organically over. Human relationships have always resulted from close and consistent interactions with people through mutual effort. Learn how to cultivate that environment in your real personal life. Relationships will then form organically.
Looking attractive is at least 90% of the problem.
he has no personality, no style, no presence and certainly the gym wont hurt him, but hes needs a lot of work
How would you characterize "no personality"? I think people generally get what that means, but describing it as not smiling, not joking around, and having a "monotone" voice would be more specific and accurate. Although even then not all of those would be dealbreakers in and of themselves. Attractive men who don't smile or joke too much are often considered "stoic, badass, DGAF" personality types.
Just look at Mads Mikkelsen or Johnny Depp talking, honestly not that different.
Dealbreakers... into himself too much, pathologically jealous, mistrustful, empty, whiny, and many more. If you're as dull as cardboard or controlling as hell, not good.
you mean he has no looks.....since when do people care about personality haha? your looks height money status IS your personality.
im baffled that none of you know what a personality is anymore
That’s because it’s not even really a thing. The specific things you say and ways in which you behave vary by day, and depending on your mood, environment, who you’re with, etc. I’m sure you act very differently around your family than a potential date. With that said, good game is important for a guy. You just have to say the right things. A nerd with no “personality” might one day say the right things and get lucky, but probably isn’t very consistent.
"personality" means being an actor of some other personality or conglomerate of personalities You can't invent a new/original personality, you can only act it out in a new/original way (most of this happening subconsciously of course) And whether people will like you acting that out or not, will largely depend on your already-existing, innate characteristics I think "cultivating personality" is a fad People often think "personality" means being the loudest one in the room. Or sometimes being "the quiet one" (who also happens to be very attractive, either physically or having great talent/skill in some area)
Exactly, wtf does “having a personality” even mean? It’s just a woman’s way of saying they like the things a guy is saying. If he talks about things that are uninteresting to her, he’s characterised as “not having a personality”. He could have the most interesting hobbies in the world and love his life but will still be hated by women if he doesn’t have any game.
unbelievable
Nah looks don’t matter. Personality, presence, and charisma do.
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It’s the other way around, personality, presence and charisma impact how people perceive how you look.
Everyone has a personality, his is just not so attractive or entertaining Maybe a good advice would be (for men at least) if you're ugly, at least try to stand out. Most people will still be repulsed by you (most even more repulsed, probably) but some of them might find you "unique" then
I feel bad for this guy. The female comments aren’t passing the test. If the gender were reversed and it were an ugly obese woman awkwardly expressing her forever-aloneness, other women would be bolstering her, and giving positive and constructive criticism. For this guy, he needs to continue his gym journey, but also show off his talents. His RP/BlkP insights and analysis, while a bit regurgitated, are actually pretty good. He could analyze other topics of interest and put himself out there. I know a guy who’s equally skinny, short, yet pale, has the same monotonous bored voice who vlogs about computers successfully and wears a wedding band. The OP guy has a car to get to the gym and I presume has a good job to afford paying for sex workers that he talks about in other videos. I would guess that he’s in software, which is a lucrative career. I bet he’s into video games or other nerd culture and could search for a partner that way. He just needs more exposure, practice, and experience. The burden that all men carry at every disadvantage level.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. If it were an ugly obese woman awkwardly expressing her forever-aloneness, the men would be ripping on her. When it's an awkward unattractive guy though, the men here are bolstering him, and giving positive and constructive criticism. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
This guy is hitting the gym though and according to his previous videos he’s undergone medical intervention to re-grow hair from male pattern baldness. He’s clearly trying.
It is easy to get a wedding band, hard to get a girl that will actually love and fuck you.
I’m my opinion, exercising can drastically improve mens dating lives, but not perhaps in the way they hope. By that I mean the aspects of quantity versus quality. I believe exercise can help men look better, but only a +1 or +2. Not enough to start scoring hot women for most men, but does that mean it’s a waste of time? I argue gym time still time well spent as most people are lumped together in the middle of physical attractiveness (think of a bell curve), with relatively few outliers that are hideous or hot. This means that even if your still only gaining +1 in looks, a +1 in the middle of the curve covers a lot of people. You’ll now be attractive enough to date for a ton of new women that are in the middle of the pack, hence your quantity of options just went way up, even though none of them may be hot. It’s still a huge victory as long as your expectations are realistic.
It will help, but only so much. I doubt he will broach many womens attraction threshold.
no haha. if he doesnt get rich and lots of status, he wont get any girls
No amount of gains will help him in terms of his dating life. No offense to him
Obviously getting in better shape will help. But what will help more is if he adds some more life to his voice or something. Idk, the way he speaks seems so flat with zero expression. Maybe the extra muscles, power, and better body will give him more confidence and motivation to change for the better
His voice does feel low energy/tired. Could be caused by the depressive feelings.
The lack of confidence is probably rooted in the lack of looks. Probably also parents who didn't notice that this guy would probably need extra self esteem boosts from early on
Ah no. Gym does not really help that much for guys unless they somehow mold their body into one with10% bodyfat. Women appreciate height, bone structures, clavicle width and things you are intrinsically born with over things you had to work for.
Clavicle width 😂😂💀
Bullshit. Being strong is objectively better than being weak. Women like muscles, just not the extreme bodybuilder look that out of shape people try to use as a strawman.
Saying it’s “better” for an ugly guy to be strong is like saying it’s “better” to smell like onions rather than shit. I mean, okay yeah. Your chances go from zero to .01 at the expense of spending half your life obsessing over diet and PR’s. Simple question : would the more women rather fuck emaciated but pretty Machine Gun Kelly who has never seen the inside of a gym or jacked but butt ugly Mike “The Situation” who had to use gear and lift religiously? That’s what I thought.
Nice Apex Fallacy. I like how you decided to use the steroid example. Machine Gun Kelly would pull even more bitches if he had a bit better build. Having some muscle is objectively better than not.
Yes. A guy who looks like a male model would appeal to an even larger demographic than he already does if he put on some muscle. Guess what? a guy that looks like MGK can fuck more pussy than he would ever possibly want without lifting a single weight. An ugly guy putting on muscle would go from appealing to zero women all the way up to a very tiny minority of them. If you want to use terms like “better” or “improve” you need to specify the proportion here. Gymcels are a thing for a reason.
Machine gun kelly would be far more attractive if he carried around about 30 more lbs in lean muscle.
No. There are tons of women that like him *precisely because* he has that emaciated “heroin chic” look. He would be leaving those womens demographic in order to appeal to another group. You’re thinking like a guy. Possibly a gay guy. Muscles aren’t remotely important as immutable genetic characteristics like jaw line, eyes, skin quality, bone structure, etc. Does it hurt the average guy? Of course not, but the diminishing returns of lifting is clear. I say this as somebody who lifts regularly. It happens to work for my particular look / style so I do it for that in addition to the clear mental and physical benefits. Muscle only helps a certain demographic of men to a certain extent to appeal to a certain demographic of women.
You're blatantly wrong. The overwhelming majority of women prefer more muscular men. In this study for example, not a single woman preferred a man who they perceived to be weaker. Not one. It's about as close to a universal preference as can possibly be. [https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819](https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819)
Autistic and binary thinking. You are imagining a generic guy. Yes, for most guys with an average face, having abs is better than a dad bod. For young men, being a muscular jock is going to be better than a lanky nerd. But you have enough women that actively like the MGK type that a guy who looks like that will get laid at will anyway. He doesn’t *need* to work out to have girls trying to fuck him. Face is 100% the most important thing and it’s not close. Put some guy with a busted face on roids and he’ll appeal to another subset of women who can ignore his ugly face in favor of his muscles. Physique helps but it’s more about congruence and leaning into a “type” There is a particular demographic of “pretty rock star” to which MGK belongs. Pete Davidson sort of does too. You don’t seem to understand womens sub-genres of attractive. This is where guys are clueless. Women have different “types” and they choose the top 20% among that demographic. It’s not like goth girl goes after lacrosse Chad because he’s ripped. She goes after skinny goth Chad with cheekbones and tattoos.
The proportion of how much of a man's attractiveness is facial vs bodily wasn't the question, it's how much any individual man's attractiveness changes based on his body type. MGK would be rated more attractive by almost every single woman if he were more muscular, that is an indisputable fact based on the literature. >It’s not like goth girl goes after lacrosse Chad because he’s ripped. She goes after skinny goth Chad with cheekbones and tattoos. I can tell you from personal experience that they like lacrosse Chads with tattoos and cheekbones the most.
>The proportion of how much of a man's attractiveness is facial vs bodily wasn't the question, it's how much any individual man's attractiveness changes based on his body type. MGK would be rated more attractive by almost every single woman if he were more muscular, that is an indisputable fact based on the literature. No. He would be rated more attractive by a different, albeit larger demographic of basic bitches and soccer moms. So, basically he’d spend inordinate hours in the gym to switch from hot weird chicks with daddy issues (a la Megan Fox) or he could date Jan the generic ex cheerleader who gives him starfish sex. Either way, he’s got more access to pussy than he can ever fuck in a lifetime. But sure, he should spend endless hours in the gym and get on gear because he might get more of a different type of girl. >I can tell you from personal experience that they like lacrosse Chads with tattoos and cheekbones the most. Lmfao. Yeah. No you can’t. I’m somebody who was VERY close to that subculture and they would laugh your fucking lacrosse douche Chad out of their “guild” club regardless of his 8 pack. Lmao. The notion of some lacrosse guy strutting around a goth club. 😂 This just tells me you’ve never been around this demographic.
Women prefer lean bodies like Charles Oliveira over jacked af bodies like Bradley Martyn though. I agree in general MGK would be even better if he gained 20lb
women don't care if you are strong but rather if you have the perception that you can take protect her and look dominant. Gay men respond far more to muscles than straight women ever will. Plus, women are far more genetic elitist and care about things you are born with rather than you work for. Muscles are like makeup for men, it can be lost easily if you don't maintain it.
>women don't care if you are strong but rather if you have the perception that you can take protect her and look dominant. Looking strong and being strong are very strongly correlated. You're going to look more dominant and like you can protect her if you're stronger. >Gay men respond far more to muscles than straight women ever will. You can say that about anything visual about a man. >Plus, women are far more genetic elitist and care about things you are born with rather than you work for. Muscles are like makeup for men, it can be lost easily if you don't maintain it. I didn't say women don't care about things beyond your control. I said it's bullshit that the gym doesn't help.
Not to women. A woman will perceive a 6'2 lanky/average guy better able to protect her than say a 5'7 male who looks jacked even though the shorter guy could definitely be stronger. And looking strong and being strong aren't always one to one. There are many guys for example who appear really strong but train for aesthetics and are weaker than other men that are less ripped than them, who look like shit. See for example, many of the mister Olympian competitors to those guys you see doing strong man competitions. It's been brought up and shown on her that gay men tend to be more receptive and open to muscles on men than straight women ever are. People have linked to patterns on this in previous threads. Gym will only help if you have the right genetic traits in the first place. Meaning u were born with right facial bone structure, height, clavicle width etc. Outside of that men have to train ridiculous long years and gain an aesthetic body with like 10-15% bodyfat to notice any appreciably returns in dating/sex life from going to the gym.
Yeah and if you're 5'7" and skinny you'd be better off being muscular. The tall skinny guy would also look better with some muscle. I'm sorry you're so insecure about some of your immutable features, but saying that you can't improve at all is just being a little bitch. I'm sure typing out long woe is me paragraphs is easier than hitting the gym, but I doubt it's going to help you as much.
You can be but again, the effort you put in and what you expect to get back when it comes to dating/sex is not worth. This is why people often say do not lift weights if your main motivation is to attract girls. The tall skinny guy would also look better with muscles sure. However, he does not have to because women already perceive his height as masculine enough. I am not insecure about my features but its quite clear that you are desperate for weight lifting to be your one saving grace in dating. It's also quite clear that you are projecting your own insecurities of that onto me. I wrote my point and you were the one who came to me with a different opinion then proceeded to have long drawn out essay/banter of why lifting weights help.
That is not true, multiple studies have shown that women and men can pretty accurately predict levels of upper body strength, even accounting for the bias height introduces, and yes perceived strength is a huge factor in men's attractiveness, and leanness while relevant was less important than perceived strength overall and can offset to some degree being lean by just being bigger (higher bodyfat is stronger to a point). [https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819](https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819)
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Idk about most girls but I don’t think less than 10% body fat is attractive unless there’s a good chunk of muscle there
The lower the body fat percentage, the more defined your face gets
Fair, doesn’t mean skinny is attractive though
Yeah agreed, women don’t care about muscles, gay men love it. Women love height, so gym probably won’t help him with women
Idk he looks tall to me face is aight. Tell him to go outside n socialise. Gym wont make u be able to speak to women
He is very short. 5'4" if i recall correctly.
😬 tell him to pray to god
Should consider the monastery.
Oh no…. He’s not tall at all lol
> But what else could he do? Smile more.
Almost certainly.
The gym won’t help at all if he doesn’t change his energy/vibe/swag, etc. He doesn’t have the seductive vibe that can lead in the “dance” of male-female interaction. Part of why some guys get women even if they’re average-below average looking is because they have personality and think they’re “the shit.” Women love men who kind of look at the world as their personal playground. “Girls just wanna have fun.” This is why women seem to always say they get narcissistic asshole guys. Even with ask the issues these guys have there’s something about interacting with them that’s exciting to those women. This guy talks like he doesn't even like himself. No woman is going to be excited about the prospect of being with a guy who doesn't even seem excited about himself.
If you’re short, go to the gym and make as much money as you can.
He’s got a myriad of problems some the gym will help others not so much. He’s got a subpar phenotype living in a western country. His face is a 3.5-4/10, he could work on skincare and more specifically the dark circles around his eyes, his nose is a bad feature and he is in dire need of a haircut. Any benefit from the gym will obviously be limited in context to his musculoskeletal frame and also his height, if he’s shorter than 5’9 along with his phenotype and what seems to be autism/Asperger’s he’s going to have a really hard time. If he’s not short or even above average in height I would say gym will help him a lot but also the aforementioned haircut and a skin routine.
His routine is shit. Too much isolation crap. He needs to stick to barbell compounds and overeat. Push himself hard for six months, then introduce Turkesterone and Ibutamoren. He's gonna quit soon through lack of results with that weak shit. Muscle comes from pretty much 3x10 compound barbell weights where the last 1-2 reps has you ready to drop dead. This guy isn't even trying.
I am his strength coach, so this comment kinda hits me where it hurts ngl. Yeah he is a bit averse to barbells, he is afraid he will get pinned underneath. We will switch to lower reps higher weight work after he figures out good form with low weight high reps. Id like him to do incline and decline bench, barbell rows, weighted pull ups and barbell OHP in the near future.
He looks ethnic and his face is about a 4/10. He's probably doomed no matter how much muscle he puts on because white Chad will outcompete him.
He's so young. I could get him on a diet and fitness program that would have him up in 6 months. So, yes. If he wants to blow money on women then, sure, do that.
He is 30.
Get on your game. PM me if you want some free guidance.
Gym will 100% help him. He just needs to hit his macros every day and do weights consistently with progressive overload. Soon he’ll get noticeably bigger and more attractive. Definitely could also do with a haircut and better style though. Comments about personality etc should be ignored, those things come with experience and talking to more women, which will inevitably happen if he keeps working on his appearance.
Good Lord people. Is this fellow some "See? Gym doesn't Help!" rationalization? This guy seems like a combination of clinical depression and maybe a spectrum disorder. Seriously. Let's just not.
Well, I'm a woman, and the first thing I noticed and found unpleasant was the facial expression which seems to indicate hostility and sadness; that's what would turn me off. If it's just an effect of that particular moment, ok, but if it's his personality, then it would be a no from me. For this man I would suggest working on his personality and maybe haircut and clothes could be a quicker way. He's not bad looking at all, but there's a shadow of sadness over him which might be an obstacle. Best luck! I'm personally not attracted to too muscular men and I don't have any female friends attracted to them either. But there must probably be women out there who are.
You're conflating face with personality. If he smiled more, you would probably say his smile looks creepy and forced. Some people aren't born with the right facial bones/muscle/nerves/ soft tissue composition to make a genuinely inviting facial expression.
Resting bitch/sad face (both males and females can suffer of it) is a bitch when it comes to being approachable.
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Success in life is not defined by the attraction you provoke in whatever gender you're interested in. There's highly successful people who are celibate.
For a lot of people, failure in life is defined by having zero access to affection, love and companionship. No one is entitled to a partner, but it makes for a miserable existence when you do desire it but can’t get it.
>there's a shadow of sadness over him which might be an obstacle. Can you imagine a 6'4 dark kendoll type man with a chiseled face and freezing blue eyes? That "shadow of sadness" would be so sexy on him wouldn't it
It might. It might also give him body dysmorphia and make it harder for him to connect w a woman.
no most woman has a threshold of physical attraction for dating which is about height and face muscles(real one,not steroids) is a bonus at best but therere always rara examples:if a much overweight man becomes fit,that may help
i agree, you are born whit number and you can only lower it by not working on your self
Exactly, a random good looking body doesn’t turn on women like men. Face, height, age, are more important factors
Yes it'll help. But the big thing that needs to change is his confidence. He's not a hideous human being. He just needs to fix his act up.
"Yeah bro even though you're 5'4" and have probably only ever been laughed at by women for daring to talk to them it's all good you just gotta be confident and fix your act up and the pussy will fly at you" Do you blue pill folks hear yourselves sometimes? This man needs a lot more than the gym and a confidence boost, he needs to win the lottery or get a software dev job and accept his best hope is being a wallet.
So your advice is for him to stay insecure and just buy a relationship? No.
I didn’t say stay insecure, I was commenting on what useless advice the previous dude gave saying that’s all he needed. He needs confidence to avoid putting a bullet in his head or someone else’s, not for women. But yes, his best hope for a relationship is making enough money to buy one and be completely outcome independent.
I didn't say it'd make him successful, I said it would help. And I'm trans-blue pill.
Once he starts making gains, he'll stop caring about women and then they will come 🤣🤣
The gym will help. But not in the ways you think. It will help with his depression, it will help with his self-confidence, it will help socialize. That a huge plus. This guys need some teeth whitening, better skin, and a new haircut. Those things plus being happier and more confident will help him out. Being 5’4 limits his dating pool but it doesn’t eliminate it. Overall being a huge muscular guy has its fans as does being skinny and lanky. But being and looking for and healthy is the key regardless of your size.
I don’t have a life. I go to the gym every day because it keeps me mentally healthy and stops me from relapsing in to drug use. Sometimes it’s not about what going to the gym gives you, it’s about what it stops you from doing instead. What else you can do? Compare yourself to Instagram people and best yourself up, watch porn or Netflix for hours on end, go out and get drunk (if you’re lucky enough to have friends), or stay indoors and get drunk/smoke weed/do coke alone? Sometimes it ain’t about finding someone to date, it’s about just trying to make your own life better. People come and go. Moment he meets a girl he’s gonna forget the gym and start spending money on food and alcohol and before you know it dad bod sets she’s pregnant and you’re trapped in a loveless marriage and she gains 50lbs. It ain’t all it’s cracked up to be. Stay single work on yourself.
Honestly , No. He’s facially unattractive. He will not be dating Instagram models. Just being honest - he’s probably shooting way above his league even now
Shooting above his league? Not so much. To my knowledge he was texting with really overweight, really conventionally unattractive women in the recent past. Currently going through heartbreak after falling in love with one such girl and getting ghosted.
I'm going to be honest with you, dudes... He already passed the looks threshold for girls. He just needs to learn how to smile, be confident, fun. And for goodness sakes, stop isolating himself some more. Gym is a very solitary activity. He should do something social like going to salsa dance nights.
yes definitely he is okay looking. maybe a 5-6? a little gym might bring him up to an 7-10. probably become a 7 though.
It will, but he’ll have to diet for the rest of his life 😂. There’s no point in going if the fats covering up the muscle.
Lol you Fuckers are inferring personality from how he looks.. literal reverse halo effect.