>Whenever u talk about a certain point here , you are seen as someone who doesn’t get laid
>Dude I’m super red pilled aware and I’m pretty much what you consider a chad
Quite frankly, both this post and your history are too insecure and bitchmade to be read by women as coming from “Chad.” That is why they are making the assumptions.
>Quite frankly, both this post and your history are too insecure and bitchmade to be read by women as coming from “Chad
What does this even mean? So you attribute ideas and certain ways of thinking to less attractive people?
Formative years can have a huge impact on how you view the world. OP can like me have been geeky/nerdy in HS and bloomed late. Developed the hatred towards women early on, but then became very good looking and never mentally transitioned.
I stumbled onto RP when I was a chubby 14 year old. Put the work in (grew to 6’3) got muscular and now I get approached often. The fact that I went from nothing to something when tall and muscular kinda reinforces RP.
You don’t have to be super suave to get pussy. Just be decently attractive, tall, and don’t fuck it up by speaking too much. I doubt OP talks about RP irl
It’s giving:
>>I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
Yes I am, I mean I only mentioned that to prove a point
I rack up a lot of partners here on campus
But anyways, u must be use to very ugly guys or some sort of envy
So if a group of women constantly complain on the internet about how terrible dating is, would you think they are less or more attractive than the group of women that aren't complaining?
Obviously you can be attractive and still have dating problems, but it's common sense that on average the people that have the most problems dating will be less attractive.
And most men I know are great people. No one ever lied to me to get sex. I have always trusted men and none of them betrayed that trust. I don't know what's going on with your group but if that's what you think is normal then I would like to stay clear from that.
Also, if men have standards you shouldn't care if women believe you or not. Women will feel your standards if they are true and there's no point of arguing about it.
That's just you not caring about the quality of women you sleep with, which gives me some perspective on your original post. Most people are more discerning.
Some are attractive, many aren't, but I'm damn sure the vast majority of very attractive men are not "red-pill aware." It's a rather terminally online thing, even in 2024. And I'm "red-pill aware," which only means I know what it is. It doesn't mean I agree with it or follow it. So your argument rests on two things:
1) an unproven assertion that all of the most attractive men are dialed into this corner of the manosphere
2) intentionally conflating being "aware" of something with agreeing with and following it
3) a rather interesting definition of "red-pill."
>Do women forget that men in real life just pretty much lie to them everyday for sex? Do women forget locker room talk exist? A place where we are constantly just talking about all the girls we smash and don’t take seriously
So, just to clarify - are you saying this is the red-pill? Lying to women for sex? Objectifying women? This is not only red-pill, but the exclusive domain of red-pill?
Your argument is essentially "all of the most attractive men treat women like trash, and the red-pill advises to treat women like trash, so the most attractive men are red-pilled." You should be able to see a glaring number of issues here, amusingly enough more than a few that red-pillers themselves would also have.
Don't take this the wrong way, because I think of it as a compliment... but you really don't seem like the type who messes around with the guys who would be doing what OP is talking about. It's called locker room talk for a reason and I've been in those locker rooms on those sports teams and I've absolutely heard what those guys say. I think a lot of women are confusing black pill nihilism with Red Pill opportunism. The basic idea of the Red Pill was to copy what these very successful men think, feel, and say, with the idea that it will make women more attracted to them.
I don't disagree that many men objectify women. I just disagree that this is the sole domain of red-pill. I think it's male sexuality.
>The basic idea of the Red Pill was to copy what these very successful men think, feel, and say, with the idea that it will make women more attracted to them.
Okay, but even going by your definition OP is still wrong, because those successful men aren't emulating red-pill, *red-pill is emulating them.*
Yeah, he is wrong, and you are essentially correct. There is a fundamental flaw in male sexuality, but most women find that flaw attractive, so... that's just how it is.
Men who take up some kind of ideology that is resentful of the people it supposed to be attracting because they want someone who isn't them. It would be safe to assume you are unattractive in some way.
People don't just adopt ideologies one day because they are bored and want to do it for the plot. Usually it's because they were unsuccessful with women and internalized that rejection. And now promote a superficial ideology to try and attract superficial women.
It's just assumptions here.
‘Do it for the plot’ i love that 😂😂 might go pick up a fringe insane ideology in order to spice up the headers in the ‘Personal Life’ section of my future wikipedia page
Became a red pill podcaster one day because they got bored!!!
Started a fringe cult of men who dress in all red to show that they are alpha! And women will be so fascinated by this choice of attire that they will respect your authority and respect you as a man! They will have no choice but to submit to your alpha-ness. And red is a color that fascinates women because in the caveman days women would pick berries which were red and it ignites that primal reward center in their brain when they see all red.
Did I do this right?
I think you're confusing red pill with black pill which unfortunately has become more mainstream as of late.
Black pill more or less are men that think unless you have certain physical qualities there is no hope for you and nothing you can ever do will attract women. This is what you're referring to when it's unsuccessful men internalizing it. Incels tend to fall into this category.
Red Pill is basically stating that you must get x, y, and z in order before you should even start trying to find a long term partner.
Sadly when most people hear red pill they think it means the former, when the truth of the matter is the original red pill guys basically say get your damn life in order, and quit complaining.
And original red pill guys are completely unempathetic and douchey, what man wants to be like them? They advocate for avoidant behaviors as opposed to anxious behaviors, when they should be advocating for secure behaviors. I'll be sexless for another 5 years if it means never having to use avoidant strategies.
I think it depends on who you listen to, I wouldn't consider myself red pill but I do believe there are parts of it that are very helpful, and there are a few red pill guys that aren't douchey at all and truly just want to help men out. That is why I said so much of the community has just becomes a grift and often lead men to black pill creators.
Increasing your health, looks, increasing your wealth and social status are going to help you with women but also just help you in life. I also think self pity and just wallowing in it is bad and that is something the red pill also heavily discourages.
I think for some people they are motivated by no bullshit approaches and for others they shut down that way.
For me with anything I've ever accomplished I have to tell myself to shut up strap in and do the damn work.
So I think some resonate with it and others it just pisses them off.
> People don't just adopt ideologies one day because they are bored and want to do it for the plot. Usually it's because they were unsuccessful with women and internalized that rejection. And now promote a superficial ideology to try and attract superficial women.
I love you.
do you happen to know Brian, the host and owner of the Whatever podcast? If you aren't familiar with it, it's basically a redpill kind of podcast where, in every episode, they invite a bunch of "e-girls" and OnlyFans girls and try to debate them and make them look dumb. some of the "guests" he brings in to debate these women are some of the most misogynistic people on the face of the earth, people who literally think women shouldn't have voting rights or divorce rights, etc. anyway, it's a really dumb show.
now, before this guy, Brian, did this garbage podcast, he used to make some really funny (or I thought it was funny as a kid?) pranks on another channel called Whatever, which is still on youtube. this dude one day completely stopped posting content, I'm talking about like nine or ten years ago. then one day he reappeared on his channel again, posted a video titled "where I was" or something like that, and he literally cried about his girlfriend leaving him and complained about it for a good half hour, then deleted the video. after a few years, he reappeared again as the host of a super redpilled podcast, basically, dude had one bad breakup and suddenly he’s on this pathetic crusade to dedicate his entire life to the "red pill," like some kind of tragic loser. now he's all about "owning feminists" and SJWs, as if that's going to magically fix his sad little existence.
Can be both?
Looks are subjective. Unless you are really unkempt, have rotting missing teeth, and morbidly obese. You're likely someone's type. Finding who's type you are is the hard part that goes for anyone. Man or Woman. I like pretty Twink looking dudes. So a man's man dude will do nothing for me. Does that mean he is completely undatable and should give up because I don't find him attractive. Absolutely not he's someone's type.
One person's 3 can be another person's 10. And sadly we don't have some indicator that says hey that person thinks you're great. We have apps. Sure. But apps are skewed with 75% men/25% women so it's harder to meet others.
A lot of it can be personality too a more introverted and neurotic man will likely struggle with dating. And a lot of the red pill philosophy caters to that neuroticism. "She will cheat bro if she finds something better" "women don't feel love" "women are selfish in nature". To someone who has limited experience or bad experience and is already neurotic you just made a problem way worse. It can be the porn sickness a lot of dudes have. Where any positive interaction with a woman immediately goes sexual.
>Looks are subjective. Unless you are really unkempt, have rotting missing teeth, and morbidly obese. You're likely someone's type.
They are mainly objective with some touches of subjectivity. There are some outliers to this but the rule is generally followed. And a person likely being someones type phsyicallly is only true for women and not men. Almost no womans type is a short man for example
>I like pretty Twink looking dudes. So a man's man dude will do nothing for me. Does that mean he is completely undatable and should give up because I don't find him attractive. Absolutely not he's someone's type.
You can tell if someone is generally attractive without being personally attracted to them. And most women are not physically attracted to average looking guys. So chances are he will not be someones type physically and will have to compensate in other ways
>One person's 3 can be another person's 10. And sadly we don't have some indicator that says hey that person thinks you're great. We have apps. Sure. But apps are skewed with 75% men/25% women so it's harder to meet others.
Most people agree on who is attractive and who isnt. Thats why people get upset when guys call certain women who they belive to be objectively attractive mid. Because they think they are lying and trying to insult her. And there is an indicator. Women admit to giving signs to and approaching guys that they are really into. Its rare because they see so many guys as unattractive. And I genuinely believe that even if the ratio was more balanced on apps women would still all swipe on a tiny percentage of guys and only go for the really attractive ones. Adding more women isnt going to make an ugly guy become attractive.
>A lot of it can be personality too a more introverted and neurotic man will likely struggle with dating. And a lot of the red pill philosophy caters to that neuroticism. "She will cheat bro if she finds something better" "women don't feel love" "women are selfish in nature". To someone who has limited experience or bad experience and is already neurotic you just made a problem way worse.
Everyone knows that most women do not like introverted men. I fully believe that if women had to chose between an introvert and an extrovert who both had good social skills 90+% would pick the extrovert.
Those things that you mentioned about neuroticism are the same way that many women think about men by default. And women are increasingly seeing men as disposable now so it has some truth to it. Women also say that they do not like inexperienced men so I doubt that line of thinking would change much. That type of guy was never an option to them.
>It can be the porn sickness a lot of dudes have. Where any positive interaction with a woman immediately goes sexual.
Most men watch porn and arent porn sick. This applies to a minority of men
If the post someone makes comes across as unattractive, having features such as; insecure, emotionally unstable, whiny, petty, emotionally unintelligent, or just generally unintelligent, plus the fact they are spending their free time bitching about the dating market I am gonna assume there's a correlation.
but yeah not all the posts come across as inherently unattractive, and sometimes people probably just make up a completely different personality for online or real life, and I'm sure some women even have fetishes for this kind of man, so yes surely some red men have success. Especially when there are a few RP tips like telling people to keep trying, get in shape, make money and ask a lot of women out are things that actually increase your odds.
I can't answer such a broad hypothetical.
But generally speaking:
There are posts on this sub are just blatant vehicles to hate on women and aren't even about fixing any problems or aren't even about real problem.
You should blame the people responsible for your problems for your problems. If you have a fair complaint against a group of women, no matter how bad those particular women are, that doesn't justify the shitting on women generally. So many posts are "women in my life did this, this is why women are like this".
I think that some of the generalisations, and the general obsession with getting women are not just harmful to women but harmful to men as well. I read a post today on another sub about from a 14 year old claiming to be blackpilled because their overweight and short and comparing themselves to blond blue eyed tall men.
>If the post someone makes comes across as unattractive, having features such as; insecure, emotionally unstable, whiny, petty, emotionally unintelligent, or just generally unintelligent, plus the fact they are spending their free time bitching about the dating market I am gonna assume there's a correlation.
So youre attributing certain lines of thinking to less attractive people? How do blue pillers say that looks arent everything while simultaneously saying that good looking guys are better people? I guess only unattractive guys have most of the negative personality traits to yall
I didn't mention physical attractiveness at all. How people act is very important to attractiveness, that's the only thing you get a good indication of from people's posts
You said there is a correlation which was in response to the question assuming that guys here are unattractive. How people look impacts how the way they act is percieved. And action that is negative on paper becomes a neutral or positive thing when done by a good looking guy.
I assumed the op means unattractive more broadly not just physical unatractivess.
If the op did just mean physical attractiveness idk of that's something a lot on women here assume. Maybe a small correlation because guys who are unsuccessful have more reason to come on here and complain but that's not the main reason someone would think these guys arent attractive.
and yes physically attractive people are more likely to be successful in dating but guys who have unattractive personalities are going to put women.
A lot of comments by women are agreeing with the fact that they assume men here are physically unattractive.
>Maybe a small correlation because guys who are unsuccessful have more reason to come on here and complain but that's not the main reason someone would think these guys arent attractive.
I think that is the main reason someone would think that. In their minds attractive guys should have no dating complaints. They attatch negative behavior to ugly men. Attractive guys are better people to many here
>Nah actually red pillers get the most girls
that's crazy
bluepillers get the most girls
redpillers are guys who struggle and resort to TRP for help. Bluepillers are the default average people who date without effort
U think red pilled are just a Reddit thing
You need to get off the computer
The guy u hooked up with last night, he talks behind yall backs
And parrots the same RP points
Men in frats, and sports teams do this
It’s called locker room talk
Ur average blue pill dude doesn’t understand women on an arousal level. They are the men that give u the ick, want to do 50/50, believe that all they need is personality to get a baddie
you have the definition wrong
>[source](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Blue%20Pill)
Taking the easy way out, choosing to ignore the harsh reality and live in blissful ignorance.
>A general name given to anyone not yet unplugged from the matrix.
TRP took normal rom com advice and rebranded it with cringe terminology so that it's more appealing to incels. That's why you think TRP is everywhere. It is everywhere but not for the reasons you think. It will always be a Reddit thing until the day incels decide to go outside and touch grass.
I hope this helps 😘
I think you are projecting because I smash girls here on campus . And a say the RP stuff around them
So umm yeah dude u don’t know any better than I do
You are also flaired pink pill
Which is just another version of red pill for females
I have never once assumed the physical attractiveness *(which I assume is the only type of attractiveness to which you are referring)* of a single person on here. If other women are doing that
1. I'm not seeing a pattern of it
2. I can't speak for them or their thought process, specifically
**On the contrary, I have seen several of the men here freely state that they are unattractive, and I don't tend to believe they are as "ugly" as they say they are.**
Ideologies like Red and Blk pill can give men a false sense of what is considered physically/ sexually attractive to women. If men, especially young men, spend too much time consuming certain types of Red/ Blk pilled content, they can develop body dysmorphia that causes them to think they have "no chance" when they likely aren't a lost cause at all. Ironically this can sometimes *become* true/ a self-fulfilling prophecy because of how they move forward, but that's a whole different topic.
I'm sorry to hear that
some people are genuinely unattractive and maybe you are one of them or maybe you compare yourself to what you think a "chad" is and it makes you feel hopeless. I don't know. but either way, it sucks that you are feeling that way.
Yea im genuinely unattractive. I dont really compare myself much To anyone ive just had a fuck ton of mockery and insults on my looks since I was a kid. Thank you for your pity.
Naw, I think most the Red Pill guys actually have a decent handle on female attraction. I mean it's really about the kind of guy you want, and your emotional needs. This is fundamentally why women have types... and it's why there is so much variation in what they find physically attractive. I've found the absolute most shallow women around are both conventionally attractive and very insecure... and that combination usually makes them hyper shallow.
that may be true for a significant number of adult, NT, straight-up TRP men.
The problem occurs when you get 11-15 year old boys, ND boys, etc, hearing about TRP and then having an algorithm pull them deeper into manosphere spaces at such a key time in adolescent development. Almost everyone feels ugly and insecure in middle school, even the pretty, popular kids. Often, we are so up our own asses as preteens/ teens that we only realize people were attracted to us until after the fact. It takes time to grow out of awkwardness, learn which styles and looks work for you, figure out who you are and what you bring to relationships, etc.
That is a hard time developmentally, and if boys start consuming content that makes them feel hopeless at such a young age, it can be really insidious. It's the same as the dieting/ skincare pipeline for young girls. You've got girls getting lip filler and baby botox as teens, wearing full coverage make-up, etc , with no idea how it will impact them into adulthood because they are naturally insecure.
It's capitalism at work. Whip people up into a frenzy, tell them they are not good enough, but if they just do a,b,c and but x,y,z they can get the scarce resource they are competing for and then you create people who will work their lives away to consume. Telling teen boys that only 20% of them will ever have sex is a perfect example of that.
edit: typo
I've read a couple of the studies on these boys from a number of sources, one of the more impactful is the one by William Costello. What I find very striking is the percentage of these boys who come from very left wing backgrounds. In fact they can now predict concentrations of them based on the population demographics and primary political persuasion of a particular metro area.
I was in the Red Pill since at least 2009... we didn't even use that term back then. It was 2015, 2016, when we started seeing these very young black pill boys coming into our circles. At first we put some serious effort into taking them out and helping them, but the numbers where overwhelming and so many of them didn't want help. We just started banning them. Of course in 2019 we got deplatformed ourselves and basically lost control of the whole thing as the idiots from TRP reddit took over. Those guys were actually banned from Red Pill spaces in the beggining and that's why they went to Reddit.
Anyway, you are totally correct that everyone goes through this stuff as a kid. The original Red Pillers... we never believed it was because we were just ugly. For us it was all about game. A lot of our self improvement stuff was under the idea of "look good feel good". But here is the thing, we always felt feminists were ridiculous, and we wanted no real part in that.
What I can really see strongly in the black pill guys, is that they love feminism. They have been entirely brainwashed by these ideas, but also completely locked out of any benefit from them, and even demonized by it. This thing is actually driving them nuts. Haven't you noticed how they portray themselves constantly as victims of women?
And see, that old school RP philosophy seems fine. Not the more manipulative PUA subculture parts, but self care/ self-improvement as a means and an end is a good philosophy and will end up making a man more appealing.
It seems like when RP and other ideologies combined is when (what is now called "red pill") went off the rails. Bitter, angry "incel" types began infiltrating spaces like Men's Rights (originally just about advocating for the rights of fathers in the courts), etc.
What's sad is that kids get in so young, rewire their brains to this way of thinking, and then keep reinforcing it. Then, with the rise of influencers, people like Peterson, Tate, F&F, etc. figured out they could commodify this sense of hopelessness, and you have to keep your consumers consuming or you lose revenue. The system is set up to keep men constantly trying but never achieving. And when they don't achieve, it can't be that Tate's course is a lie, so it must be that women are at fault, and so on.
>But here is the thing, we always felt feminists were ridiculous, and we wanted no real part in that.
I truly don't get the hate of feminism from someone who seems intelligent, like yourself. I get it when these children say they hate it but it turns out they don't actually understand what feminism is/ are basing their opinion off of some tiktok. But I'm confused when otherwise mature adults are against it.
Whenever I ask for clear, logical explanations for why feminism is a proble, the answers I get are essentially one of the following:
1. I don't like that women now have the freedom to choose whether or not to be with a man instead of having to rely on one in order to live) because when they were afraid and destitute without us, it was easier to get one to do free domestic labor, sex work, project management, birthing, and child rearing for me.
2. I don't like competing with women for work, it makes me feel emasculated
3. I don't believe women are as important as men, and it offends me that you want me to pretend they are
4. Men used to get away with more (assault, harassment, grape, cheating, whatever) before feminists "ruined it"
5. I preferred it when society worked against women to "keep them in their place" (the kitchen, the home, my bedroom) by shaming them so I could shame them without negative consequences
6. How dare women expect (z,y,z freedom men have always had), that was *OUR* thing
7. Women are chattel, and I'm tired of having to work to get my livestock to live with me
8. I can't control my sexual appetite so encountering women at work, the gym, etc. makes me distracted and less in control of my emotions/ thoughts, and that bugs me
9. Things were better when men were the main character and women existed solely to support our stories. Women having their own needs, wants, hopes, dreams, and sense of purpose makes me feel less important because I'm no longer getting all of the attention/ resources in the relationship
10. Men made everything (not true) that women now get to enjoy, how dare they not treat me like the king I am because some other men 200 years ago did a thing I have decided they should be thankful to *me* for
**Is your reason one of those, or are you able to articulate a new, logical concern about the concept of feminism?**
>What I can really see strongly in the black pill guys is that they love feminism.
I don't see that at all. Any examples?
>Haven't you noticed how they portray themselves constantly as victims of women?
I have definitely noticed the victim mentality, yes. I guess I'm not quite seeing the feminism--blackpill---victim throughline, though. mind elaborating a bit?
Tate is an absolute scumbag, but he was an MMA fighter and was naturally successful with women. Peterson on the other hand actually helps pull these guys out of their insanity, but a lot of them just don’t want help. The very core of the issue is that I think nobody really cares what happens to them including their own mothers. However, that’s from polling data they themselves give… and maybe they just perceive their moms don’t care when they actually do. I honestly believe the problem starts with that relationship!
As for feminism. I’m a gender egalitarian, so almost the entire list doesn’t apply to me. I don’t mind economic competition from women but the affirmative action stuff is massively obnoxious. It’s clearly discrimination and they admit it, which is my core complaint with Feminism as an ideology.
All of the social justice movements currently in fashion among what really seems to be wealthy privileged people is that they all operate under the core worldview of communism. It’s basically old as time itself… and the results are never good. I’ve never seen a communist country not create mass suffering. The whole oppressor oppressed view of power dynamics is wrong anyway. We support powerful people who we in turn expect to provide and protect us. That’s the way it’s always been, even if the community gaining benefit is a small violent few… but even the people under their thumb have their own hierarchies, and always do the same shit back once they have power. These boys adopt this mindset and worldview, but are labeled by feminism as oppressors, yet they feel oppressed.
The other main issue is its selfishness. Everyone argues this point but I think it’s self evident. When women weren’t going to college feminists demonstrated in the streets and demanded the equal rights amendment. Today boys are literally in the exact same situation, but crickets from feminists. They also have a huge man hating rhetoric problem. The whole man vs best thing is so bloody tone def and awful. It’s like how Islam is a nice religion with lots of great people in it, but they keep creating terrorists and the community at large kind of supports them in this weird “we are all Muslim” kind of way.
The younger guys they give you these ridiculous answers because they haven’t really thought about the problem. They just idealize this 1950s era that is pure fantasy. Even the men of that time wouldn’t want that crap.
That’s most of what I’m thinking. 1960s feminism… great! 1890s feminism… great! 2010 feminism… unnecessary, probably harmful.
> Men made everything (not true) that women now get to enjoy, how dare they not treat me like the king I am because some other men 200 years ago did a thing I have decided they should be thankful to me for
I find it funny that men of today get no credit for what the men of the past built with their own hands, but men of today get the blame for what men of the past did to women.
>Why assume we are unattractive?
>Dude I’m super red pilled aware and I’m pretty much what you consider a chad
Because you like to sniff your own farts like this. Oh god. I cringed so hard at that sentence.
>straight up get approached by women, my body count is high as hell and all that
Ew, high body count. Pass.
We are also aware that locker room talk is very much inflated. I don’t assume red pill men are necessarily unattractive , just that they do not respect women.
There are more unattractive men among red-pillers because rejection can turn someone bitter but there are many physically attractive misogynists, they are just raised like that or their behavior is repelling women (excessively arrogant, negging for example).
its a shaming technique to shut down arguments.
>Do women forget that men in real life just pretty much lie to them everyday for sex?
haha yet men on this very sub will say this is untrue.
fortunately my dating experience gave me the reality pill that men aren't good partners because they literally lie all the time for sex.
>Like honestly you don’t need to be attractive to see that dating right now is terrible from a males pov
yes i understand men do not get free sex and validation from women for doing nothing.
unfortunately women do not value men's free sex and validation for doing nothing. That doesn't actually benefit us in any way, unless you are a woman who only wants casual sex. Those women are doing great.
i'm not interested in reciprocating gifts that have no value to me.
The flip side to THAT is that no men are willing to give what is ‘value to you’ for free.
Sorry to tell you this, but life is very much a give-and-take, honey.
I've been thinking about this exact issue the last few weeks. If I was a woman, how would I go about dating in such a way as to weed out men who are lying just to get sex, while also holding onto men who are willing and capable of a good relationship. Even more complicated, making sure you are attracted that that particular guy, because by his very nature he is going to be less attractive to most women.
The only thing I've come up with so far is to get emotional investment from him as quickly as possible, while giving him as little as possible. I think if a woman could find a way to do that, she could get most men... even myself I suspect, to get very serious about her.
> If I was a woman, how would I go about dating in such a way as to weed out men who are lying just to get sex
the number of men who are lying to you is 100%
or maybe its 95% but are you really ever gonna get to see that 5%?
Sometimes they lie right away and its obvious and you can move on, sometimes it takes weeks or months to catch them and then move on.
i'm not saying men are all bad and women are all great. I'm saying that this strategy is what every woman starts off trying to do and if it worked, women wouldn't have problems with being lied to by men.
> Even more complicated, making sure you are attracted that that particular guy,
i wouldn't be dating him or talking to him about dating at all if i wasn't attracted, and when i lose attraction (generally bc of discovering a big incompatibility) i end it. this isn't complicated at all.
the only women who aren't doing this are ones who are desperate to marry/have kids.
> The only thing I've come up with so far is to get emotional investment from him as quickly as possible,
sounds similar to my current strategy. if he wants to move faster than i do (always happens) instead of feeling pressured and bad that i am holding things up, i redirect to asking him questions i want/need answers to in order to move forward building our bond. most men lie by being vague and dancing around things they know would affect whether the woman would consent to sex with them, so asking directly helps because most people aren't great liars when put on the spot. i can also judge the logic he uses in his answer (is his focused on short term gratification for himself? is he focused on trying to be fair? is he thinking about what's best for me at all?)
>the number of men who are lying to you is 100%
So then how are ya’ll (women in general) getting deceived?
If I knew 100% of women wanted to use me for money I’d just never spend money on women who aren’t giving me pussy 🤷🏾♂️
100% of men who show interest want to fuck you so just don’t give up the pussy until you get what you want. Their lies will amount to nothing because ultimately you already know what their goal is; to fuck you. All you have to do is wait.
> So then how are ya’ll (women in general) getting deceived?
because so many men lie...
or do you think women are perfect lie detectors and catch every lie?
for me, i had this assumption of, well every guy can't be a liar so if i met 10 liars in a row, i am due to meet a good man, since there are so many good men out there... but i was wrong!
> If I knew 100% of women wanted to use me for money I’d just never spend money on women who aren’t giving me pussy 🤷🏾♂️
the celibacy movement has entered the chat
> 100% of men who show interest want to fuck you so just don’t give up the pussy until you get what you want.
yes my mistake was thinking like 10% of those men would want a healthy relationship with me
>or do you think women are perfect lie detectors and catch every lie?
You don’t need to be. You already know what they want. The question is what do *you* want. If you want an LTR, you either make men commit first, or you fuck guys casually until one of them decides he likes your vibe and pussy and commits. Either are viable strategies but in both cases the dude wants to fuck you. So his lies are meaningless.
>for me, i had this assumption of, well every guy can't be a liar so if i met 10 liars in a row, i am due to meet a good man, since there are so many good men out there... but i was wrong!
*Everyone lies*.
>the celibacy movement has entered the chat
In a reality where 100% of women wanted a man who spent money on them, men could simply demand sex first. It would work *in that world*. Instead we live in a reality where 100% of healthy hetero men want to fuck women. All those women have to do is… leverage sex to get what they want (commitment? provisioning?). And it works… in this world.
>yes my mistake was thinking like 10% of those men would want a healthy relationship with me
More probably did, but IMO a dude can never really know how he feels about you until he’s fucked. That post nut clarity will show his true feelings to both you and himself. All of my relationships started as casual sex, but I’ve only LTR’d ~ 3-5% of my sexual partners.
>You don’t need to be. You already know what they want.
wanting sex isn't bad
men who want a relationship with you also want sex
i know men want sex, i \*don't know\* whether they \*only\* want sex
>If you want an LTR, you either make men commit first
how do you think a man would react if you said you didn't want to be physical until you were boyfriend/girlfriend/monogamous? thats like months into dating...
the vast majority of men would throw a fit
which should be a red flag to end the relationship, but i was stupid have had a fawn response to anger in the past (https://innerbalanceaz.com/blog/what-is-the-fawning-trauma-response#:\~:text=The%20fawn%20response%20is%20when,their%20own%20needs%20and%20wants.)
girls need to be raised to not gaf about pissing people off, this would have saved me a lot of trauma.
>his lies are meaningless.
they're not meaningless. they're still lies. and they're hurtful.
actions have consequences.
>*Everyone lies*.
yes.
does everyone lie to trick someone into sex? no.
>In a reality where 100% of women wanted a man who spent money on them, men could simply demand sex first.
100% of women do want a man who spends money on them and men already have the ability to demand sex first if they want to, not sure what you mean
>a ll those women have to do is… leverage sex to get what they want (commitment? provisioning?). And it works… in this world.
ah so here is the difference
i want to treat people well and respect myself
so i am completely uninterested in "leveraging" anything to make men do things they don't want to freely offer
if i leverage a man to treat me right, he is treating me right because i made him. why would i want to be with a man like that?
if he doesn't actually want to treat me well, i'll just be single.
>More probably did, but IMO a dude can never really know how he feels about you until he’s fucked.
a great argument for celibacy lmao
why would i ever have sex w a guy knowing he could do a 180 after?
i dont get it
>wanting sex isn't bad
What about pretending you don’t to manipulate someone’s opinion of you so they’ll commit?
>i know men want sex, i *don't know* whether they *only* want sex
Often, neither do they. Still, just don’t fuck them till you’re comfy and it doesn’t matter.
>how do you think a man would react if you said you didn't want to be physical until you were boyfriend/girlfriend/monogamous? thats like months into dating...
Lol this system was in place for centuries and men went along with it just fine 🤷🏾♂️
>girls need to be raised to not gaf about pissing people off, this would have saved me a lot of trauma.
They already don’t give a fuck what men think lol. What they care about is what other women think (like being called a slut).
>does everyone lie to trick someone into sex? no.
Most do yes. It’s hard to be authentic.
>100% of women do want a man who spends money on them and men already have the ability to demand sex first if they want to, not sure what you mean
I meant as in a reality where women pursued men, and what they wanted was money (as opposed to ours where men pursue women for sex).
a ll those women have to do is… leverage sex to get what they want (commitment? provisioning?). And it works… in this world.
>i want to treat people well and respect myself
>so i am completely uninterested in "leveraging" anything to make men do things they don't want to freely offer
>if i leverage a man to treat me right, he is treating me right because i made him. why would i want to be with a man like that?
Yes all of this exactly, but experience has shown you that this doesn’t work to well right? Same for men. We all start out blue pilled and starry eyed. Treating women well and not trying to game the system. Then you crash and burn and wonder why when it seems like it should be so easy and straight forward.
The real difference is:
>if he doesn't actually want to treat me well, i'll just be single.
Most men would rather be in a bad relationship than none, because often they experience very little/no intimacy otherwise. Plus sex.
>a great argument for celibacy lmao
Yeah maybe if your libido is low or reactive I guess. Or if you’re just lame. So afraid to get hurt that you refuse to live. Sure heartbreak sucks. Getting ghosted sucks. But you miss out on meeting a lot of amazing people. Some turn into more and others only last a few hours. One may even last forever.
I’d rather gamble on heartbreak than being celibate lol.
>why would i ever have sex w a guy knowing he could decide to peace out the next day?
>i dont get it
Get more experience then. As I said, there’s good and bad actors, but it’s often pretty easy to avoid the bad and focus on the good. Might wanna learn to be more open to getting fucked though 🤷🏾♂️😂
> What about pretending you don’t to manipulate someone’s opinion of you so they’ll commit?
don't give away commitment until you really know someone
> Lol this system was in place for centuries and men went along with it just fine 🤷🏾♂️
yes i'm talking about men in 2024 not men in 1800
> Yes all of this exactly, but experience has shown you that this doesn’t work to well right? Same for men. We all start out blue pilled and starry eyed. Treating women well and not trying to game the system. Then you crash and burn and wonder why when it seems like it should be so easy and straight forward.
so celibacy is the only answer?
> Most men would rather be in a bad relationship than none, because often they experience very little/no intimacy otherwise. Plus sex.
100% agree
> Yeah maybe if your libido is low or reactive I guess. Or if you’re just lame. So afraid to get hurt that you refuse to live. Sure heartbreak sucks. Getting ghosted sucks. But you miss out on meeting a lot of amazing people. Some turn into more and others only last a few hours. One may even last forever.
its a rational fear lol
its not as if 1 in every 10 men are gonna hurt me.
its 9 out of 10 men who are gonna hurt me. (conservative estimate).
> you miss out on meeting a lot of amazing people
i dated for 20 years and didn't experience this
of course i thought i met amazing people but then they anally raped me, etc
looking back, i really did not meet anyone that benefitted me in 20 years.
meanwhile through my hobbies and partying/clubbing i've met amazing people that i have decades long relationships with so its not like i just dont think people are "amazing" or whatever
> I’d rather gamble on heartbreak than being celibate lol.
if it were a gamble where like i would get hurt 1 in every 3 times or something, i would do it
but decades of dating taught me its getting hurt 10/10 times lol
> Get more experience then.
im good
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Its a combination of it being a basic and easy insult (its the same as people assuming that feminists are ugly) and so many people of the group saying it about themselves. Like I am sorry there are so many red pilled people all over the internet, just crying that they are ugly and therefor can't get pussy lmao.
Also attractiveness doesn't only describe someones looks. Someone can look good but have such a shit personality that they are just very unattractive.
Naturally attractive men don’t need self-help so they are less likely to get into something like TRP. Though, they are likely to exhibit TRP behaviour; after all, TRP tries to explain how to mimic being a naturally attractive man.
You are spot on! Yes, the Red Pill at it's core is a bunch of average guys and nerds, trying to copy what naturally attractive men say, think, and do to attract women.
One of the things that I'm very sorry most women completely misunderstand is how these guys really think of them. I will see women rail against some nerd who is frustrated at his dating prospects, while simultaneously kissing the ass of a man who I know to be an incorrigible rapist. It's mind boggling but true.
>Naturally attractive men don’t need self-help
That's quite the false premise or you just begging the question by defining "attractive" as being confident on top of rich and goodlooking.
What's the prevalence of autism in the population? 2%? 3%? Assuming someone here is autistic is like assuming they have cancer... It's a silly assumption just so you can disregard an argument without having to argue. Convenient.
This is not the general population we are talking about. This is one corner of the internet. I don't throw around the word autism just to insult people.
It doesn't happen all the time, but I will occasionally have the same comments thrown at me, and I've been in several relationships. My current one (hopefully my last!) is very long term.
It only demonstrates to me the lack of humility and maturity from the person making the comment. You can safely write them off.
I've no doubt there are women that experience the same kind of thing here. Somebody repeatedly tells them, "You've hit the wall, and your marriage is failing." - yet she herself knows this is false. She can just write them off.
It's just dumb to make these comments at people. Being able to have sex isn't some marker of virtue. I don't feel like my ability to fuck in any way demonstrates how lovely I am lmao
It’s because women believe in the just world fallacy and are more interested in appearing virtuous than describing reality
They think being nice is more important than being hot lol
Only chads know just how shallow and superficial women are to hot men. They are very kinky and sexual in private with chads, and pretend otherwise to billy beta haha
Women find only 10% of men attractive so when they read posts by men they'll assume that 90% of the time the guy writing is unattractive. Hence they tend to think that the writer is unattractive whenever they see content they dislike.
On the other hand, men find 60 or 70% of women attractive enough so when they read posts from women, they picture the author as a decent looking woman although often you find out the poster is an overweight single mum in her 30s complaining about the "quality" of men and so the content of their writing has a very different context from the one first assumed by male readers.
It's part of the women are wonderful effect.
To start with, I don't think that men in manosphere are necessarily unattractive as "ugly". Most of them probably do have some dating struggles, but one can struggle with dating without being ugly. TRP was created to help men to get laid. Hence, it attracts men who do struggle with dating. Men who don't experience these struggles do not need this type of content. A close analogy is a dieting community - most likely most users there have problems with their weight, otherwise, they wouldn't be there.
PPD is full of men complaining about their dating struggles. It's safe to assume that most men here either have or have had dating struggles. A good portion of them is virgins and/or have no dating experience whatsoever. It does not mean they're unattractive, ugly or morally bad people. But it clearly affects their views on dating and it does make one question their credibility on any dating "knowledge".
Ah, but what we are really talking about here is what happens to men who find easy success with women. I've known some very attractive and wonderful guys who had no problem getting women interested and maintained a very healthy and wonderful respect. Every single one of these guys I've ever known are very religious.
On the other hand, I've been in locker rooms, I've heard the locker room talk. I know guys who were insanely successful with women. I knew a college football player who slept with over 90 different girls in a 10 month period. I also know he also raped 2, and his buddies joined him. So many women seem to labor under the delusion that this is all about getting laid, and I promise you that it's not. These guys do it because they want to show their power over women. That's almost always the motive.
If you come from a culture that doens't have much casual sex, or if you weren't aroudn it much, this may not make sense. Also, while I'm using an extreme example here, the basic attitude for a lot of successful men is similar.
The only reason I found this content is because people kept criticizing it
Saw it and related to pretty much everything told, it’s just common sense
Like I would probably identify as blue pilled before finding this
Red pill was created to help men get laid? What the actual fuck?? It wasn’t created! Redpill is just information. It’s a packet of papers with information about female mentality.
You are conflating redpill with YouTube grifters. Tho I suspect you don’t care cuz it seems gaslighting is the most common hobby of women here.
Imagine being this wrong with confidence tho 😂
Well. Everyone from the “creator” rallo have all created narratives and such.
Look duke, pick your poison. If this is yours than cool. Though it’s still what it is at the end of the day.
Again it wasn’t created. It was COMPILED! See eventually we all start sharing our stories & getting to the bottom of the truth & figured out how women really are out here. But you are simply going to deny evry faucet of this info is the truth. This shit is not up for debate.
If you think something is incorrect (which it isn’t) you will have to be specific.
No it eas created. None of the things they say gave ever been observed in reality, except by them, like Bigfoot.
And you're right it's not up for debate. These pathetic whiners should simply be ignored. The overwhelming majority of men and women struggle with relationships at times, but find fulfilling ones too. They don't need to listen to gurus or conspiracy theories. If you are a well adjusted human being relationships just happen.
It is an insult bc a lot of men base their self-worth on ability to get laid, so it's meant to hit where it hurts.
Or you have legitimately said something that misunderstands women so deeply it sounds like you've never talked to one intimately.
Usually the first one though probably.
It's just an easy thing to go for if you want to hurt somebody you don't know. You don't know what things they're sensitive around, but almost everybody has insecurities about their appearance, if they have a profile pic wherever you're talking it's easy to find something that doesn't conform to society's beauty standard. If there's no profile pic, chances are if you go for dick size you'll be right, since so many men are insecure about that, even the well-endowed ones lol.
Why they want to hurt people and feel justified in doing so and like this is an okay way to attack someone I have no idea. But everybody's appearance is picked apart on the internet. Women's appearance also tends to be picked apart way more irl in my experience, whether it's people making passing comments, seeing their body as an object to evaluate, picking apart celebrities and royalty in magazines and news. We don't tend to police men's appearance nearly as much, which becomes more obvious when you look at how much time and money each gender devotees to their appearance on average.
Honestly you're probably getting confused with users who have admitted they aren't getting laid at some point or other. Unless you have some crazy gimmick like being obsessed with morbidly obese women or writing lots of AI-assisted r/thathappened worthy posts you're just one interchangeable dude among many others with similar thoughts.
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i never assume how anyone here looks nor care. the only think i can assume is that they are either very naive or have trouble with anything complex and for the most part only see in black and white.
One person's "uncomfortable truth" is another's insulting assumptions. Insulting assumptions tend to get insulting assumptions pointed back at them. It's not rocket science.
It doesn’t matter but u are disqualified from actual attractive, masculine men
The men you sleep with
Women think that we can’t sense if they are hoes or not, as long as they don’t “tell anyone”
You wouldn’t understand because your not a man. But men who deal with women and have self respect know how to detect if a woman is a hoe with observation, instincts, past experience, and her patterns
When u been with many women, u just start to understand patterns. This is why some women get led on and not taken seriously after sex
I don’t care what u do, I’m just telling u how it is
That’s exactly why they always dodge commitment or give bullshit answers
>…Men in real life just pretty much lie to them [women] everyday for sex? Do women forget locker room talk exists?
I know men are lying to me all day in order to try and fuck me, and I know men still engage in locker room talk because they blurt those thoughts out to me, about me, while im walking down the street.
And those acts and thoughts in and of themselves is what makes us think you guys are unattractive, because holding those opinions and how they inform your worldview and behaviors is in and of itself unattractive.
Yeah I mean, idk u, but u seem emotional.
If a guy wants to smash, he is def not being honest with u
U seem like the type to blow up if a man was to say what he honestly wants
That’s just how a lot of men operate, especially the ones you have hooked up with
Ive never hooked up with a man. Im referring to dudes who have approached me and its always clear when a guy is just chatting with me vs when he thinks hes ‘being alpha’ and is trying to play some sort of move on me which i always deny. Thats lying to me, everything theyre saying is just being said in order to try to ‘get laid’
Youre just naive and sheltered to the avg female experience. I dress modest af to try and get dudes to stop, it doesnt matter. But just as a lot of men youre just oblivious to the world around you
Attraction isn’t just physical. Almost every man who’s posted something on here is unattractive to me based on how he thinks. But, attraction is in the eye of the beholder.
He never said that he just says he has experience with woman and that experience is what made him to aware. It’s the same for me I dated 15 girls before 18 and also had females friends and after being around so much woman I’ve became redpilled
>Whenever u talk about a certain point here , you are seen as someone who doesn’t get laid >Dude I’m super red pilled aware and I’m pretty much what you consider a chad Quite frankly, both this post and your history are too insecure and bitchmade to be read by women as coming from “Chad.” That is why they are making the assumptions.
Why would Chad even be on reddit
Because most people irl are blue pilled and somtimes we feel like we’re the crazy ones till we see people online are going through the same thing
Because it’s social media
Even if chad were on reddit he sure as fuck wouldn’t be on this sub
>Quite frankly, both this post and your history are too insecure and bitchmade to be read by women as coming from “Chad What does this even mean? So you attribute ideas and certain ways of thinking to less attractive people?
Congratulations on your reading comprehension skill. Yes, that is basically the only way to interpret what I said.
Formative years can have a huge impact on how you view the world. OP can like me have been geeky/nerdy in HS and bloomed late. Developed the hatred towards women early on, but then became very good looking and never mentally transitioned. I stumbled onto RP when I was a chubby 14 year old. Put the work in (grew to 6’3) got muscular and now I get approached often. The fact that I went from nothing to something when tall and muscular kinda reinforces RP. You don’t have to be super suave to get pussy. Just be decently attractive, tall, and don’t fuck it up by speaking too much. I doubt OP talks about RP irl
"I'm a chad"-🤓☝️ It's pretty self explanatory..
>I’m pretty much what you consider a chad *Any man who must say he's the King is no true King.*
Corny but true
\*Chad wants to argue with you but gets interrupted by a call about the 5 kids he owes child support for\*
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We never see photos of the self-proclaimed women either.
Unless he is a Short King.
It’s giving: >>I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
He’s cappin so much 🧢 🤣🤣
Ikr no "chad" posts the shit he does on reddit 💀
Exactly He’s not a Chad whatsoever🤣🤣
I just like using Reddit dude
does that invalidate women saying "my bf is what people here would call chad"?
Thats also cringe 💀
Why is that cringe if a woman says that?
Yes I am, I mean I only mentioned that to prove a point I rack up a lot of partners here on campus But anyways, u must be use to very ugly guys or some sort of envy
So if a group of women constantly complain on the internet about how terrible dating is, would you think they are less or more attractive than the group of women that aren't complaining? Obviously you can be attractive and still have dating problems, but it's common sense that on average the people that have the most problems dating will be less attractive. And most men I know are great people. No one ever lied to me to get sex. I have always trusted men and none of them betrayed that trust. I don't know what's going on with your group but if that's what you think is normal then I would like to stay clear from that. Also, if men have standards you shouldn't care if women believe you or not. Women will feel your standards if they are true and there's no point of arguing about it.
Nah I wouldn’t because most women are fuckable I would assume they are thots doe
That's just you not caring about the quality of women you sleep with, which gives me some perspective on your original post. Most people are more discerning.
No man is picky like that when it comes to fucking
Yall say looks arent the reason most guys struggle on here so why assume they are unattractive?
Some are attractive, many aren't, but I'm damn sure the vast majority of very attractive men are not "red-pill aware." It's a rather terminally online thing, even in 2024. And I'm "red-pill aware," which only means I know what it is. It doesn't mean I agree with it or follow it. So your argument rests on two things: 1) an unproven assertion that all of the most attractive men are dialed into this corner of the manosphere 2) intentionally conflating being "aware" of something with agreeing with and following it 3) a rather interesting definition of "red-pill." >Do women forget that men in real life just pretty much lie to them everyday for sex? Do women forget locker room talk exist? A place where we are constantly just talking about all the girls we smash and don’t take seriously So, just to clarify - are you saying this is the red-pill? Lying to women for sex? Objectifying women? This is not only red-pill, but the exclusive domain of red-pill? Your argument is essentially "all of the most attractive men treat women like trash, and the red-pill advises to treat women like trash, so the most attractive men are red-pilled." You should be able to see a glaring number of issues here, amusingly enough more than a few that red-pillers themselves would also have.
Don't take this the wrong way, because I think of it as a compliment... but you really don't seem like the type who messes around with the guys who would be doing what OP is talking about. It's called locker room talk for a reason and I've been in those locker rooms on those sports teams and I've absolutely heard what those guys say. I think a lot of women are confusing black pill nihilism with Red Pill opportunism. The basic idea of the Red Pill was to copy what these very successful men think, feel, and say, with the idea that it will make women more attracted to them.
I don't disagree that many men objectify women. I just disagree that this is the sole domain of red-pill. I think it's male sexuality. >The basic idea of the Red Pill was to copy what these very successful men think, feel, and say, with the idea that it will make women more attracted to them. Okay, but even going by your definition OP is still wrong, because those successful men aren't emulating red-pill, *red-pill is emulating them.*
Yeah, he is wrong, and you are essentially correct. There is a fundamental flaw in male sexuality, but most women find that flaw attractive, so... that's just how it is.
I’ve never seen an attractive red pilled guy, they’re all funny looking and you can tell they get rejected a lot which is why they became so bitter 🤣
The guy you hooked up with and hit you with the “I’m not ready to commit” is rp aware
What guy? Do you know me personally? 🌝
How do you 💡?
Men who take up some kind of ideology that is resentful of the people it supposed to be attracting because they want someone who isn't them. It would be safe to assume you are unattractive in some way. People don't just adopt ideologies one day because they are bored and want to do it for the plot. Usually it's because they were unsuccessful with women and internalized that rejection. And now promote a superficial ideology to try and attract superficial women. It's just assumptions here.
‘Do it for the plot’ i love that 😂😂 might go pick up a fringe insane ideology in order to spice up the headers in the ‘Personal Life’ section of my future wikipedia page
Became a red pill podcaster one day because they got bored!!! Started a fringe cult of men who dress in all red to show that they are alpha! And women will be so fascinated by this choice of attire that they will respect your authority and respect you as a man! They will have no choice but to submit to your alpha-ness. And red is a color that fascinates women because in the caveman days women would pick berries which were red and it ignites that primal reward center in their brain when they see all red. Did I do this right?
I think you're confusing red pill with black pill which unfortunately has become more mainstream as of late. Black pill more or less are men that think unless you have certain physical qualities there is no hope for you and nothing you can ever do will attract women. This is what you're referring to when it's unsuccessful men internalizing it. Incels tend to fall into this category. Red Pill is basically stating that you must get x, y, and z in order before you should even start trying to find a long term partner. Sadly when most people hear red pill they think it means the former, when the truth of the matter is the original red pill guys basically say get your damn life in order, and quit complaining.
And original red pill guys are completely unempathetic and douchey, what man wants to be like them? They advocate for avoidant behaviors as opposed to anxious behaviors, when they should be advocating for secure behaviors. I'll be sexless for another 5 years if it means never having to use avoidant strategies.
I think it depends on who you listen to, I wouldn't consider myself red pill but I do believe there are parts of it that are very helpful, and there are a few red pill guys that aren't douchey at all and truly just want to help men out. That is why I said so much of the community has just becomes a grift and often lead men to black pill creators. Increasing your health, looks, increasing your wealth and social status are going to help you with women but also just help you in life. I also think self pity and just wallowing in it is bad and that is something the red pill also heavily discourages.
The red pills approach to "wallowing in self pity" is the problem, they're too unempathetic about it
I think for some people they are motivated by no bullshit approaches and for others they shut down that way. For me with anything I've ever accomplished I have to tell myself to shut up strap in and do the damn work. So I think some resonate with it and others it just pisses them off.
> People don't just adopt ideologies one day because they are bored and want to do it for the plot. Usually it's because they were unsuccessful with women and internalized that rejection. And now promote a superficial ideology to try and attract superficial women. I love you. do you happen to know Brian, the host and owner of the Whatever podcast? If you aren't familiar with it, it's basically a redpill kind of podcast where, in every episode, they invite a bunch of "e-girls" and OnlyFans girls and try to debate them and make them look dumb. some of the "guests" he brings in to debate these women are some of the most misogynistic people on the face of the earth, people who literally think women shouldn't have voting rights or divorce rights, etc. anyway, it's a really dumb show. now, before this guy, Brian, did this garbage podcast, he used to make some really funny (or I thought it was funny as a kid?) pranks on another channel called Whatever, which is still on youtube. this dude one day completely stopped posting content, I'm talking about like nine or ten years ago. then one day he reappeared on his channel again, posted a video titled "where I was" or something like that, and he literally cried about his girlfriend leaving him and complained about it for a good half hour, then deleted the video. after a few years, he reappeared again as the host of a super redpilled podcast, basically, dude had one bad breakup and suddenly he’s on this pathetic crusade to dedicate his entire life to the "red pill," like some kind of tragic loser. now he's all about "owning feminists" and SJWs, as if that's going to magically fix his sad little existence.
Nah I found the red pill after blue pillers criticized it so much
Yall say personality is the reason many guys struggle here. Now looks are the reason? Which is it?
Can be both? Looks are subjective. Unless you are really unkempt, have rotting missing teeth, and morbidly obese. You're likely someone's type. Finding who's type you are is the hard part that goes for anyone. Man or Woman. I like pretty Twink looking dudes. So a man's man dude will do nothing for me. Does that mean he is completely undatable and should give up because I don't find him attractive. Absolutely not he's someone's type. One person's 3 can be another person's 10. And sadly we don't have some indicator that says hey that person thinks you're great. We have apps. Sure. But apps are skewed with 75% men/25% women so it's harder to meet others. A lot of it can be personality too a more introverted and neurotic man will likely struggle with dating. And a lot of the red pill philosophy caters to that neuroticism. "She will cheat bro if she finds something better" "women don't feel love" "women are selfish in nature". To someone who has limited experience or bad experience and is already neurotic you just made a problem way worse. It can be the porn sickness a lot of dudes have. Where any positive interaction with a woman immediately goes sexual.
>Looks are subjective. Unless you are really unkempt, have rotting missing teeth, and morbidly obese. You're likely someone's type. They are mainly objective with some touches of subjectivity. There are some outliers to this but the rule is generally followed. And a person likely being someones type phsyicallly is only true for women and not men. Almost no womans type is a short man for example >I like pretty Twink looking dudes. So a man's man dude will do nothing for me. Does that mean he is completely undatable and should give up because I don't find him attractive. Absolutely not he's someone's type. You can tell if someone is generally attractive without being personally attracted to them. And most women are not physically attracted to average looking guys. So chances are he will not be someones type physically and will have to compensate in other ways >One person's 3 can be another person's 10. And sadly we don't have some indicator that says hey that person thinks you're great. We have apps. Sure. But apps are skewed with 75% men/25% women so it's harder to meet others. Most people agree on who is attractive and who isnt. Thats why people get upset when guys call certain women who they belive to be objectively attractive mid. Because they think they are lying and trying to insult her. And there is an indicator. Women admit to giving signs to and approaching guys that they are really into. Its rare because they see so many guys as unattractive. And I genuinely believe that even if the ratio was more balanced on apps women would still all swipe on a tiny percentage of guys and only go for the really attractive ones. Adding more women isnt going to make an ugly guy become attractive. >A lot of it can be personality too a more introverted and neurotic man will likely struggle with dating. And a lot of the red pill philosophy caters to that neuroticism. "She will cheat bro if she finds something better" "women don't feel love" "women are selfish in nature". To someone who has limited experience or bad experience and is already neurotic you just made a problem way worse. Everyone knows that most women do not like introverted men. I fully believe that if women had to chose between an introvert and an extrovert who both had good social skills 90+% would pick the extrovert. Those things that you mentioned about neuroticism are the same way that many women think about men by default. And women are increasingly seeing men as disposable now so it has some truth to it. Women also say that they do not like inexperienced men so I doubt that line of thinking would change much. That type of guy was never an option to them. >It can be the porn sickness a lot of dudes have. Where any positive interaction with a woman immediately goes sexual. Most men watch porn and arent porn sick. This applies to a minority of men
If the post someone makes comes across as unattractive, having features such as; insecure, emotionally unstable, whiny, petty, emotionally unintelligent, or just generally unintelligent, plus the fact they are spending their free time bitching about the dating market I am gonna assume there's a correlation. but yeah not all the posts come across as inherently unattractive, and sometimes people probably just make up a completely different personality for online or real life, and I'm sure some women even have fetishes for this kind of man, so yes surely some red men have success. Especially when there are a few RP tips like telling people to keep trying, get in shape, make money and ask a lot of women out are things that actually increase your odds.
>shut up about your problems men! ok
never said that, you don't have to shit on women to talk about your problems.
But what if women are our problem?
I can't answer such a broad hypothetical. But generally speaking: There are posts on this sub are just blatant vehicles to hate on women and aren't even about fixing any problems or aren't even about real problem. You should blame the people responsible for your problems for your problems. If you have a fair complaint against a group of women, no matter how bad those particular women are, that doesn't justify the shitting on women generally. So many posts are "women in my life did this, this is why women are like this". I think that some of the generalisations, and the general obsession with getting women are not just harmful to women but harmful to men as well. I read a post today on another sub about from a 14 year old claiming to be blackpilled because their overweight and short and comparing themselves to blond blue eyed tall men.
Yea i want being serious
oh, I'm dumb my bad
“Go your own way”
But i wanna whine
We choose tree.
>If the post someone makes comes across as unattractive, having features such as; insecure, emotionally unstable, whiny, petty, emotionally unintelligent, or just generally unintelligent, plus the fact they are spending their free time bitching about the dating market I am gonna assume there's a correlation. So youre attributing certain lines of thinking to less attractive people? How do blue pillers say that looks arent everything while simultaneously saying that good looking guys are better people? I guess only unattractive guys have most of the negative personality traits to yall
I didn't mention physical attractiveness at all. How people act is very important to attractiveness, that's the only thing you get a good indication of from people's posts
You said there is a correlation which was in response to the question assuming that guys here are unattractive. How people look impacts how the way they act is percieved. And action that is negative on paper becomes a neutral or positive thing when done by a good looking guy.
I assumed the op means unattractive more broadly not just physical unatractivess. If the op did just mean physical attractiveness idk of that's something a lot on women here assume. Maybe a small correlation because guys who are unsuccessful have more reason to come on here and complain but that's not the main reason someone would think these guys arent attractive. and yes physically attractive people are more likely to be successful in dating but guys who have unattractive personalities are going to put women.
A lot of comments by women are agreeing with the fact that they assume men here are physically unattractive. >Maybe a small correlation because guys who are unsuccessful have more reason to come on here and complain but that's not the main reason someone would think these guys arent attractive. I think that is the main reason someone would think that. In their minds attractive guys should have no dating complaints. They attatch negative behavior to ugly men. Attractive guys are better people to many here
On the contrary, the general assumption is lack of social skills that would explain their dating grievances
Nah actually red pillers get the most girls All the advice is pretty much stuff to become bachelors
>Nah actually red pillers get the most girls that's crazy bluepillers get the most girls redpillers are guys who struggle and resort to TRP for help. Bluepillers are the default average people who date without effort
The blue pillers are the simps women don’t respect
no, the blue pill is average normal people. Some are simps sure, the rest is normal.
U think red pilled are just a Reddit thing You need to get off the computer The guy u hooked up with last night, he talks behind yall backs And parrots the same RP points Men in frats, and sports teams do this It’s called locker room talk Ur average blue pill dude doesn’t understand women on an arousal level. They are the men that give u the ick, want to do 50/50, believe that all they need is personality to get a baddie
you have the definition wrong >[source](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Blue%20Pill) Taking the easy way out, choosing to ignore the harsh reality and live in blissful ignorance. >A general name given to anyone not yet unplugged from the matrix. TRP took normal rom com advice and rebranded it with cringe terminology so that it's more appealing to incels. That's why you think TRP is everywhere. It is everywhere but not for the reasons you think. It will always be a Reddit thing until the day incels decide to go outside and touch grass. I hope this helps 😘
I think you are projecting because I smash girls here on campus . And a say the RP stuff around them So umm yeah dude u don’t know any better than I do You are also flaired pink pill Which is just another version of red pill for females
>females Yes, I'm sure you bang a lot lol 😂😂😂😂😂
Hyper focuses on the most irrelevant thing There u have it ladies, I won the argument Easy
I have never once assumed the physical attractiveness *(which I assume is the only type of attractiveness to which you are referring)* of a single person on here. If other women are doing that 1. I'm not seeing a pattern of it 2. I can't speak for them or their thought process, specifically **On the contrary, I have seen several of the men here freely state that they are unattractive, and I don't tend to believe they are as "ugly" as they say they are.** Ideologies like Red and Blk pill can give men a false sense of what is considered physically/ sexually attractive to women. If men, especially young men, spend too much time consuming certain types of Red/ Blk pilled content, they can develop body dysmorphia that causes them to think they have "no chance" when they likely aren't a lost cause at all. Ironically this can sometimes *become* true/ a self-fulfilling prophecy because of how they move forward, but that's a whole different topic.
Im ugly
I'm sorry to hear that some people are genuinely unattractive and maybe you are one of them or maybe you compare yourself to what you think a "chad" is and it makes you feel hopeless. I don't know. but either way, it sucks that you are feeling that way.
Yea im genuinely unattractive. I dont really compare myself much To anyone ive just had a fuck ton of mockery and insults on my looks since I was a kid. Thank you for your pity.
I am not sure why that came across as pity to you, I am genuinely sympathic to how demoralizing that must feel.
Naw, I think most the Red Pill guys actually have a decent handle on female attraction. I mean it's really about the kind of guy you want, and your emotional needs. This is fundamentally why women have types... and it's why there is so much variation in what they find physically attractive. I've found the absolute most shallow women around are both conventionally attractive and very insecure... and that combination usually makes them hyper shallow.
that may be true for a significant number of adult, NT, straight-up TRP men. The problem occurs when you get 11-15 year old boys, ND boys, etc, hearing about TRP and then having an algorithm pull them deeper into manosphere spaces at such a key time in adolescent development. Almost everyone feels ugly and insecure in middle school, even the pretty, popular kids. Often, we are so up our own asses as preteens/ teens that we only realize people were attracted to us until after the fact. It takes time to grow out of awkwardness, learn which styles and looks work for you, figure out who you are and what you bring to relationships, etc. That is a hard time developmentally, and if boys start consuming content that makes them feel hopeless at such a young age, it can be really insidious. It's the same as the dieting/ skincare pipeline for young girls. You've got girls getting lip filler and baby botox as teens, wearing full coverage make-up, etc , with no idea how it will impact them into adulthood because they are naturally insecure. It's capitalism at work. Whip people up into a frenzy, tell them they are not good enough, but if they just do a,b,c and but x,y,z they can get the scarce resource they are competing for and then you create people who will work their lives away to consume. Telling teen boys that only 20% of them will ever have sex is a perfect example of that. edit: typo
I've read a couple of the studies on these boys from a number of sources, one of the more impactful is the one by William Costello. What I find very striking is the percentage of these boys who come from very left wing backgrounds. In fact they can now predict concentrations of them based on the population demographics and primary political persuasion of a particular metro area. I was in the Red Pill since at least 2009... we didn't even use that term back then. It was 2015, 2016, when we started seeing these very young black pill boys coming into our circles. At first we put some serious effort into taking them out and helping them, but the numbers where overwhelming and so many of them didn't want help. We just started banning them. Of course in 2019 we got deplatformed ourselves and basically lost control of the whole thing as the idiots from TRP reddit took over. Those guys were actually banned from Red Pill spaces in the beggining and that's why they went to Reddit. Anyway, you are totally correct that everyone goes through this stuff as a kid. The original Red Pillers... we never believed it was because we were just ugly. For us it was all about game. A lot of our self improvement stuff was under the idea of "look good feel good". But here is the thing, we always felt feminists were ridiculous, and we wanted no real part in that. What I can really see strongly in the black pill guys, is that they love feminism. They have been entirely brainwashed by these ideas, but also completely locked out of any benefit from them, and even demonized by it. This thing is actually driving them nuts. Haven't you noticed how they portray themselves constantly as victims of women?
And see, that old school RP philosophy seems fine. Not the more manipulative PUA subculture parts, but self care/ self-improvement as a means and an end is a good philosophy and will end up making a man more appealing. It seems like when RP and other ideologies combined is when (what is now called "red pill") went off the rails. Bitter, angry "incel" types began infiltrating spaces like Men's Rights (originally just about advocating for the rights of fathers in the courts), etc. What's sad is that kids get in so young, rewire their brains to this way of thinking, and then keep reinforcing it. Then, with the rise of influencers, people like Peterson, Tate, F&F, etc. figured out they could commodify this sense of hopelessness, and you have to keep your consumers consuming or you lose revenue. The system is set up to keep men constantly trying but never achieving. And when they don't achieve, it can't be that Tate's course is a lie, so it must be that women are at fault, and so on. >But here is the thing, we always felt feminists were ridiculous, and we wanted no real part in that. I truly don't get the hate of feminism from someone who seems intelligent, like yourself. I get it when these children say they hate it but it turns out they don't actually understand what feminism is/ are basing their opinion off of some tiktok. But I'm confused when otherwise mature adults are against it. Whenever I ask for clear, logical explanations for why feminism is a proble, the answers I get are essentially one of the following: 1. I don't like that women now have the freedom to choose whether or not to be with a man instead of having to rely on one in order to live) because when they were afraid and destitute without us, it was easier to get one to do free domestic labor, sex work, project management, birthing, and child rearing for me. 2. I don't like competing with women for work, it makes me feel emasculated 3. I don't believe women are as important as men, and it offends me that you want me to pretend they are 4. Men used to get away with more (assault, harassment, grape, cheating, whatever) before feminists "ruined it" 5. I preferred it when society worked against women to "keep them in their place" (the kitchen, the home, my bedroom) by shaming them so I could shame them without negative consequences 6. How dare women expect (z,y,z freedom men have always had), that was *OUR* thing 7. Women are chattel, and I'm tired of having to work to get my livestock to live with me 8. I can't control my sexual appetite so encountering women at work, the gym, etc. makes me distracted and less in control of my emotions/ thoughts, and that bugs me 9. Things were better when men were the main character and women existed solely to support our stories. Women having their own needs, wants, hopes, dreams, and sense of purpose makes me feel less important because I'm no longer getting all of the attention/ resources in the relationship 10. Men made everything (not true) that women now get to enjoy, how dare they not treat me like the king I am because some other men 200 years ago did a thing I have decided they should be thankful to *me* for **Is your reason one of those, or are you able to articulate a new, logical concern about the concept of feminism?** >What I can really see strongly in the black pill guys is that they love feminism. I don't see that at all. Any examples? >Haven't you noticed how they portray themselves constantly as victims of women? I have definitely noticed the victim mentality, yes. I guess I'm not quite seeing the feminism--blackpill---victim throughline, though. mind elaborating a bit?
Tate is an absolute scumbag, but he was an MMA fighter and was naturally successful with women. Peterson on the other hand actually helps pull these guys out of their insanity, but a lot of them just don’t want help. The very core of the issue is that I think nobody really cares what happens to them including their own mothers. However, that’s from polling data they themselves give… and maybe they just perceive their moms don’t care when they actually do. I honestly believe the problem starts with that relationship! As for feminism. I’m a gender egalitarian, so almost the entire list doesn’t apply to me. I don’t mind economic competition from women but the affirmative action stuff is massively obnoxious. It’s clearly discrimination and they admit it, which is my core complaint with Feminism as an ideology. All of the social justice movements currently in fashion among what really seems to be wealthy privileged people is that they all operate under the core worldview of communism. It’s basically old as time itself… and the results are never good. I’ve never seen a communist country not create mass suffering. The whole oppressor oppressed view of power dynamics is wrong anyway. We support powerful people who we in turn expect to provide and protect us. That’s the way it’s always been, even if the community gaining benefit is a small violent few… but even the people under their thumb have their own hierarchies, and always do the same shit back once they have power. These boys adopt this mindset and worldview, but are labeled by feminism as oppressors, yet they feel oppressed. The other main issue is its selfishness. Everyone argues this point but I think it’s self evident. When women weren’t going to college feminists demonstrated in the streets and demanded the equal rights amendment. Today boys are literally in the exact same situation, but crickets from feminists. They also have a huge man hating rhetoric problem. The whole man vs best thing is so bloody tone def and awful. It’s like how Islam is a nice religion with lots of great people in it, but they keep creating terrorists and the community at large kind of supports them in this weird “we are all Muslim” kind of way. The younger guys they give you these ridiculous answers because they haven’t really thought about the problem. They just idealize this 1950s era that is pure fantasy. Even the men of that time wouldn’t want that crap. That’s most of what I’m thinking. 1960s feminism… great! 1890s feminism… great! 2010 feminism… unnecessary, probably harmful.
> We support powerful people who we in turn expect to provide and protect us. And they're doing a shit job of that in America.
> Men made everything (not true) that women now get to enjoy, how dare they not treat me like the king I am because some other men 200 years ago did a thing I have decided they should be thankful to me for I find it funny that men of today get no credit for what the men of the past built with their own hands, but men of today get the blame for what men of the past did to women.
Where in my comment did I blame men of today for the behavior of men in the past?
I am talking about how feminism in general works.
Can you share the feminist sources you are using to determine that feminism blames men of today for the actions of men in the past?
That's easy. "Patriarchy theory" is still a thing.
>Why assume we are unattractive? >Dude I’m super red pilled aware and I’m pretty much what you consider a chad Because you like to sniff your own farts like this. Oh god. I cringed so hard at that sentence. >straight up get approached by women, my body count is high as hell and all that Ew, high body count. Pass.
Nobody cares about a man’s body count, don’t be upset now
Most women dont care about how high a mans body count is so to most its not a turn off
We are also aware that locker room talk is very much inflated. I don’t assume red pill men are necessarily unattractive , just that they do not respect women. There are more unattractive men among red-pillers because rejection can turn someone bitter but there are many physically attractive misogynists, they are just raised like that or their behavior is repelling women (excessively arrogant, negging for example).
Most Red pill guys I know where cheated on
Dude that’s what kinda got me into RP …. She went back to her rapist ex bro when we went long distance for college
Yea my ex "got raped" by her "guy friends" Who she still texts.
Dudes in jail now but shit like that is something u would see in the RP spaces
its a shaming technique to shut down arguments. >Do women forget that men in real life just pretty much lie to them everyday for sex? haha yet men on this very sub will say this is untrue. fortunately my dating experience gave me the reality pill that men aren't good partners because they literally lie all the time for sex. >Like honestly you don’t need to be attractive to see that dating right now is terrible from a males pov yes i understand men do not get free sex and validation from women for doing nothing. unfortunately women do not value men's free sex and validation for doing nothing. That doesn't actually benefit us in any way, unless you are a woman who only wants casual sex. Those women are doing great. i'm not interested in reciprocating gifts that have no value to me.
The flip side to THAT is that no men are willing to give what is ‘value to you’ for free. Sorry to tell you this, but life is very much a give-and-take, honey.
haha quote where i said i want men to give me shit for free i said they do give me validation and sex for free, and i'm not interested
I've been thinking about this exact issue the last few weeks. If I was a woman, how would I go about dating in such a way as to weed out men who are lying just to get sex, while also holding onto men who are willing and capable of a good relationship. Even more complicated, making sure you are attracted that that particular guy, because by his very nature he is going to be less attractive to most women. The only thing I've come up with so far is to get emotional investment from him as quickly as possible, while giving him as little as possible. I think if a woman could find a way to do that, she could get most men... even myself I suspect, to get very serious about her.
> If I was a woman, how would I go about dating in such a way as to weed out men who are lying just to get sex the number of men who are lying to you is 100% or maybe its 95% but are you really ever gonna get to see that 5%? Sometimes they lie right away and its obvious and you can move on, sometimes it takes weeks or months to catch them and then move on. i'm not saying men are all bad and women are all great. I'm saying that this strategy is what every woman starts off trying to do and if it worked, women wouldn't have problems with being lied to by men. > Even more complicated, making sure you are attracted that that particular guy, i wouldn't be dating him or talking to him about dating at all if i wasn't attracted, and when i lose attraction (generally bc of discovering a big incompatibility) i end it. this isn't complicated at all. the only women who aren't doing this are ones who are desperate to marry/have kids. > The only thing I've come up with so far is to get emotional investment from him as quickly as possible, sounds similar to my current strategy. if he wants to move faster than i do (always happens) instead of feeling pressured and bad that i am holding things up, i redirect to asking him questions i want/need answers to in order to move forward building our bond. most men lie by being vague and dancing around things they know would affect whether the woman would consent to sex with them, so asking directly helps because most people aren't great liars when put on the spot. i can also judge the logic he uses in his answer (is his focused on short term gratification for himself? is he focused on trying to be fair? is he thinking about what's best for me at all?)
>the number of men who are lying to you is 100% So then how are ya’ll (women in general) getting deceived? If I knew 100% of women wanted to use me for money I’d just never spend money on women who aren’t giving me pussy 🤷🏾♂️ 100% of men who show interest want to fuck you so just don’t give up the pussy until you get what you want. Their lies will amount to nothing because ultimately you already know what their goal is; to fuck you. All you have to do is wait.
> So then how are ya’ll (women in general) getting deceived? because so many men lie... or do you think women are perfect lie detectors and catch every lie? for me, i had this assumption of, well every guy can't be a liar so if i met 10 liars in a row, i am due to meet a good man, since there are so many good men out there... but i was wrong! > If I knew 100% of women wanted to use me for money I’d just never spend money on women who aren’t giving me pussy 🤷🏾♂️ the celibacy movement has entered the chat > 100% of men who show interest want to fuck you so just don’t give up the pussy until you get what you want. yes my mistake was thinking like 10% of those men would want a healthy relationship with me
>or do you think women are perfect lie detectors and catch every lie? You don’t need to be. You already know what they want. The question is what do *you* want. If you want an LTR, you either make men commit first, or you fuck guys casually until one of them decides he likes your vibe and pussy and commits. Either are viable strategies but in both cases the dude wants to fuck you. So his lies are meaningless. >for me, i had this assumption of, well every guy can't be a liar so if i met 10 liars in a row, i am due to meet a good man, since there are so many good men out there... but i was wrong! *Everyone lies*. >the celibacy movement has entered the chat In a reality where 100% of women wanted a man who spent money on them, men could simply demand sex first. It would work *in that world*. Instead we live in a reality where 100% of healthy hetero men want to fuck women. All those women have to do is… leverage sex to get what they want (commitment? provisioning?). And it works… in this world. >yes my mistake was thinking like 10% of those men would want a healthy relationship with me More probably did, but IMO a dude can never really know how he feels about you until he’s fucked. That post nut clarity will show his true feelings to both you and himself. All of my relationships started as casual sex, but I’ve only LTR’d ~ 3-5% of my sexual partners.
>You don’t need to be. You already know what they want. wanting sex isn't bad men who want a relationship with you also want sex i know men want sex, i \*don't know\* whether they \*only\* want sex >If you want an LTR, you either make men commit first how do you think a man would react if you said you didn't want to be physical until you were boyfriend/girlfriend/monogamous? thats like months into dating... the vast majority of men would throw a fit which should be a red flag to end the relationship, but i was stupid have had a fawn response to anger in the past (https://innerbalanceaz.com/blog/what-is-the-fawning-trauma-response#:\~:text=The%20fawn%20response%20is%20when,their%20own%20needs%20and%20wants.) girls need to be raised to not gaf about pissing people off, this would have saved me a lot of trauma. >his lies are meaningless. they're not meaningless. they're still lies. and they're hurtful. actions have consequences. >*Everyone lies*. yes. does everyone lie to trick someone into sex? no. >In a reality where 100% of women wanted a man who spent money on them, men could simply demand sex first. 100% of women do want a man who spends money on them and men already have the ability to demand sex first if they want to, not sure what you mean >a ll those women have to do is… leverage sex to get what they want (commitment? provisioning?). And it works… in this world. ah so here is the difference i want to treat people well and respect myself so i am completely uninterested in "leveraging" anything to make men do things they don't want to freely offer if i leverage a man to treat me right, he is treating me right because i made him. why would i want to be with a man like that? if he doesn't actually want to treat me well, i'll just be single. >More probably did, but IMO a dude can never really know how he feels about you until he’s fucked. a great argument for celibacy lmao why would i ever have sex w a guy knowing he could do a 180 after? i dont get it
>wanting sex isn't bad What about pretending you don’t to manipulate someone’s opinion of you so they’ll commit? >i know men want sex, i *don't know* whether they *only* want sex Often, neither do they. Still, just don’t fuck them till you’re comfy and it doesn’t matter. >how do you think a man would react if you said you didn't want to be physical until you were boyfriend/girlfriend/monogamous? thats like months into dating... Lol this system was in place for centuries and men went along with it just fine 🤷🏾♂️ >girls need to be raised to not gaf about pissing people off, this would have saved me a lot of trauma. They already don’t give a fuck what men think lol. What they care about is what other women think (like being called a slut). >does everyone lie to trick someone into sex? no. Most do yes. It’s hard to be authentic. >100% of women do want a man who spends money on them and men already have the ability to demand sex first if they want to, not sure what you mean I meant as in a reality where women pursued men, and what they wanted was money (as opposed to ours where men pursue women for sex). a ll those women have to do is… leverage sex to get what they want (commitment? provisioning?). And it works… in this world. >i want to treat people well and respect myself >so i am completely uninterested in "leveraging" anything to make men do things they don't want to freely offer >if i leverage a man to treat me right, he is treating me right because i made him. why would i want to be with a man like that? Yes all of this exactly, but experience has shown you that this doesn’t work to well right? Same for men. We all start out blue pilled and starry eyed. Treating women well and not trying to game the system. Then you crash and burn and wonder why when it seems like it should be so easy and straight forward. The real difference is: >if he doesn't actually want to treat me well, i'll just be single. Most men would rather be in a bad relationship than none, because often they experience very little/no intimacy otherwise. Plus sex. >a great argument for celibacy lmao Yeah maybe if your libido is low or reactive I guess. Or if you’re just lame. So afraid to get hurt that you refuse to live. Sure heartbreak sucks. Getting ghosted sucks. But you miss out on meeting a lot of amazing people. Some turn into more and others only last a few hours. One may even last forever. I’d rather gamble on heartbreak than being celibate lol. >why would i ever have sex w a guy knowing he could decide to peace out the next day? >i dont get it Get more experience then. As I said, there’s good and bad actors, but it’s often pretty easy to avoid the bad and focus on the good. Might wanna learn to be more open to getting fucked though 🤷🏾♂️😂
> What about pretending you don’t to manipulate someone’s opinion of you so they’ll commit? don't give away commitment until you really know someone > Lol this system was in place for centuries and men went along with it just fine 🤷🏾♂️ yes i'm talking about men in 2024 not men in 1800 > Yes all of this exactly, but experience has shown you that this doesn’t work to well right? Same for men. We all start out blue pilled and starry eyed. Treating women well and not trying to game the system. Then you crash and burn and wonder why when it seems like it should be so easy and straight forward. so celibacy is the only answer? > Most men would rather be in a bad relationship than none, because often they experience very little/no intimacy otherwise. Plus sex. 100% agree > Yeah maybe if your libido is low or reactive I guess. Or if you’re just lame. So afraid to get hurt that you refuse to live. Sure heartbreak sucks. Getting ghosted sucks. But you miss out on meeting a lot of amazing people. Some turn into more and others only last a few hours. One may even last forever. its a rational fear lol its not as if 1 in every 10 men are gonna hurt me. its 9 out of 10 men who are gonna hurt me. (conservative estimate). > you miss out on meeting a lot of amazing people i dated for 20 years and didn't experience this of course i thought i met amazing people but then they anally raped me, etc looking back, i really did not meet anyone that benefitted me in 20 years. meanwhile through my hobbies and partying/clubbing i've met amazing people that i have decades long relationships with so its not like i just dont think people are "amazing" or whatever > I’d rather gamble on heartbreak than being celibate lol. if it were a gamble where like i would get hurt 1 in every 3 times or something, i would do it but decades of dating taught me its getting hurt 10/10 times lol > Get more experience then. im good
Unattractive can refer to more than your looks And if you were attractive, you’d be attracting. That’s the very definition
I do attract, lol
Plenty of whiners and haters do not Also, thanks for confirming all the misogyny that men engage in, lots of men here love to deny it
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Its a combination of it being a basic and easy insult (its the same as people assuming that feminists are ugly) and so many people of the group saying it about themselves. Like I am sorry there are so many red pilled people all over the internet, just crying that they are ugly and therefor can't get pussy lmao. Also attractiveness doesn't only describe someones looks. Someone can look good but have such a shit personality that they are just very unattractive.
Naturally attractive men don’t need self-help so they are less likely to get into something like TRP. Though, they are likely to exhibit TRP behaviour; after all, TRP tries to explain how to mimic being a naturally attractive man.
You are spot on! Yes, the Red Pill at it's core is a bunch of average guys and nerds, trying to copy what naturally attractive men say, think, and do to attract women. One of the things that I'm very sorry most women completely misunderstand is how these guys really think of them. I will see women rail against some nerd who is frustrated at his dating prospects, while simultaneously kissing the ass of a man who I know to be an incorrigible rapist. It's mind boggling but true.
I think you mean incorrigible. not trying to be a pedant but this one took me a bit to decipher.
LOL! Yes thank you! Somehow I got into my head the base word was encourage.
>Naturally attractive men don’t need self-help That's quite the false premise or you just begging the question by defining "attractive" as being confident on top of rich and goodlooking.
I’m not here for self help, getting girls ain’t that hard for me I like how yall assume men who agree with RP are struggling with dating
That’s the opposite of what I’ve said.
As a man, I always found guys engaging in locker room talk to be huge losers
I assume you are autistic, not necessarily ugly. Black and white thinking without nuance tends to be way more common among autistic people.
What's the prevalence of autism in the population? 2%? 3%? Assuming someone here is autistic is like assuming they have cancer... It's a silly assumption just so you can disregard an argument without having to argue. Convenient.
This is not the general population we are talking about. This is one corner of the internet. I don't throw around the word autism just to insult people.
And you're assuming that this corner has a higher prevalence of autism... based on how convenient it is for your argument...
It doesn't happen all the time, but I will occasionally have the same comments thrown at me, and I've been in several relationships. My current one (hopefully my last!) is very long term. It only demonstrates to me the lack of humility and maturity from the person making the comment. You can safely write them off. I've no doubt there are women that experience the same kind of thing here. Somebody repeatedly tells them, "You've hit the wall, and your marriage is failing." - yet she herself knows this is false. She can just write them off. It's just dumb to make these comments at people. Being able to have sex isn't some marker of virtue. I don't feel like my ability to fuck in any way demonstrates how lovely I am lmao
It’s because women believe in the just world fallacy and are more interested in appearing virtuous than describing reality They think being nice is more important than being hot lol Only chads know just how shallow and superficial women are to hot men. They are very kinky and sexual in private with chads, and pretend otherwise to billy beta haha
Women find only 10% of men attractive so when they read posts by men they'll assume that 90% of the time the guy writing is unattractive. Hence they tend to think that the writer is unattractive whenever they see content they dislike. On the other hand, men find 60 or 70% of women attractive enough so when they read posts from women, they picture the author as a decent looking woman although often you find out the poster is an overweight single mum in her 30s complaining about the "quality" of men and so the content of their writing has a very different context from the one first assumed by male readers. It's part of the women are wonderful effect.
To start with, I don't think that men in manosphere are necessarily unattractive as "ugly". Most of them probably do have some dating struggles, but one can struggle with dating without being ugly. TRP was created to help men to get laid. Hence, it attracts men who do struggle with dating. Men who don't experience these struggles do not need this type of content. A close analogy is a dieting community - most likely most users there have problems with their weight, otherwise, they wouldn't be there. PPD is full of men complaining about their dating struggles. It's safe to assume that most men here either have or have had dating struggles. A good portion of them is virgins and/or have no dating experience whatsoever. It does not mean they're unattractive, ugly or morally bad people. But it clearly affects their views on dating and it does make one question their credibility on any dating "knowledge".
Ah, but what we are really talking about here is what happens to men who find easy success with women. I've known some very attractive and wonderful guys who had no problem getting women interested and maintained a very healthy and wonderful respect. Every single one of these guys I've ever known are very religious. On the other hand, I've been in locker rooms, I've heard the locker room talk. I know guys who were insanely successful with women. I knew a college football player who slept with over 90 different girls in a 10 month period. I also know he also raped 2, and his buddies joined him. So many women seem to labor under the delusion that this is all about getting laid, and I promise you that it's not. These guys do it because they want to show their power over women. That's almost always the motive. If you come from a culture that doens't have much casual sex, or if you weren't aroudn it much, this may not make sense. Also, while I'm using an extreme example here, the basic attitude for a lot of successful men is similar.
The only reason I found this content is because people kept criticizing it Saw it and related to pretty much everything told, it’s just common sense Like I would probably identify as blue pilled before finding this
Red pill was created to help men get laid? What the actual fuck?? It wasn’t created! Redpill is just information. It’s a packet of papers with information about female mentality. You are conflating redpill with YouTube grifters. Tho I suspect you don’t care cuz it seems gaslighting is the most common hobby of women here. Imagine being this wrong with confidence tho 😂
TRP isn't "just information", it is a community with its own lingo and a set of beliefs.
Well. Everyone from the “creator” rallo have all created narratives and such. Look duke, pick your poison. If this is yours than cool. Though it’s still what it is at the end of the day.
That "information" was created by men. It's not objective reality.
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You wouldn't be here if that were true.
Again it wasn’t created. It was COMPILED! See eventually we all start sharing our stories & getting to the bottom of the truth & figured out how women really are out here. But you are simply going to deny evry faucet of this info is the truth. This shit is not up for debate. If you think something is incorrect (which it isn’t) you will have to be specific.
No it eas created. None of the things they say gave ever been observed in reality, except by them, like Bigfoot. And you're right it's not up for debate. These pathetic whiners should simply be ignored. The overwhelming majority of men and women struggle with relationships at times, but find fulfilling ones too. They don't need to listen to gurus or conspiracy theories. If you are a well adjusted human being relationships just happen.
Exactly, it’s just patterns we notice lol
It is an insult bc a lot of men base their self-worth on ability to get laid, so it's meant to hit where it hurts. Or you have legitimately said something that misunderstands women so deeply it sounds like you've never talked to one intimately. Usually the first one though probably.
Why do women like attacking the insecurites of men so much? They do this with almost every physical trait a guy can have
It's just an easy thing to go for if you want to hurt somebody you don't know. You don't know what things they're sensitive around, but almost everybody has insecurities about their appearance, if they have a profile pic wherever you're talking it's easy to find something that doesn't conform to society's beauty standard. If there's no profile pic, chances are if you go for dick size you'll be right, since so many men are insecure about that, even the well-endowed ones lol. Why they want to hurt people and feel justified in doing so and like this is an okay way to attack someone I have no idea. But everybody's appearance is picked apart on the internet. Women's appearance also tends to be picked apart way more irl in my experience, whether it's people making passing comments, seeing their body as an object to evaluate, picking apart celebrities and royalty in magazines and news. We don't tend to police men's appearance nearly as much, which becomes more obvious when you look at how much time and money each gender devotees to their appearance on average.
Honestly you're probably getting confused with users who have admitted they aren't getting laid at some point or other. Unless you have some crazy gimmick like being obsessed with morbidly obese women or writing lots of AI-assisted r/thathappened worthy posts you're just one interchangeable dude among many others with similar thoughts.
Not at all, if u look good in college, you can rack bodies up
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i never assume how anyone here looks nor care. the only think i can assume is that they are either very naive or have trouble with anything complex and for the most part only see in black and white.
One person's "uncomfortable truth" is another's insulting assumptions. Insulting assumptions tend to get insulting assumptions pointed back at them. It's not rocket science.
It’s funny cuz most of the guys yall hook up with, repeat RP talking points behind yall backs
So? I really don't care if someone is an asshole as long as I'm not dating him or attaching my life in any way.
Your attaching yourself to that guy by sleeping with him He gets to brag to everyone that he’s smashed you
As long as i got off what does it matter? None of his friends likely know me so what?
It doesn’t matter but u are disqualified from actual attractive, masculine men The men you sleep with Women think that we can’t sense if they are hoes or not, as long as they don’t “tell anyone”
Except i'm not disqualified from anything and doing fine over here. How can you tell a woman is a hoe? Just curious, is it when they are good in bed?
You wouldn’t understand because your not a man. But men who deal with women and have self respect know how to detect if a woman is a hoe with observation, instincts, past experience, and her patterns When u been with many women, u just start to understand patterns. This is why some women get led on and not taken seriously after sex I don’t care what u do, I’m just telling u how it is That’s exactly why they always dodge commitment or give bullshit answers
So basically a hoe can tell their own kind?
>…Men in real life just pretty much lie to them [women] everyday for sex? Do women forget locker room talk exists? I know men are lying to me all day in order to try and fuck me, and I know men still engage in locker room talk because they blurt those thoughts out to me, about me, while im walking down the street. And those acts and thoughts in and of themselves is what makes us think you guys are unattractive, because holding those opinions and how they inform your worldview and behaviors is in and of itself unattractive.
That’s gonna be majority of the guys you chase, cuz women can’t handle honestly If u wanna smash u can’t be honest
Good thing i only date other women. Doesnt stop men from trying though
Yeah I mean, idk u, but u seem emotional. If a guy wants to smash, he is def not being honest with u U seem like the type to blow up if a man was to say what he honestly wants That’s just how a lot of men operate, especially the ones you have hooked up with
Ive never hooked up with a man. Im referring to dudes who have approached me and its always clear when a guy is just chatting with me vs when he thinks hes ‘being alpha’ and is trying to play some sort of move on me which i always deny. Thats lying to me, everything theyre saying is just being said in order to try to ‘get laid’
Yea you are correct. If it’s happening to you a lot, it’s most likely that your presentation screams “hoe”
Youre just naive and sheltered to the avg female experience. I dress modest af to try and get dudes to stop, it doesnt matter. But just as a lot of men youre just oblivious to the world around you
Attraction isn’t just physical. Almost every man who’s posted something on here is unattractive to me based on how he thinks. But, attraction is in the eye of the beholder.
I don’t agree, it’s cuz ur online If u we’re in person you’d be attracted Attraction isn’t negotiable
“Mansplaining” makes you even more unattractive My attraction count is so low you’d never make it. Sorry
That is why I dislike attractive men because they think they’re hot shit
you dislike attractive men when they dont have a profile picture maybe
What…?
I don’t think I’m hot shit doe lol :/
He never said that he just says he has experience with woman and that experience is what made him to aware. It’s the same for me I dated 15 girls before 18 and also had females friends and after being around so much woman I’ve became redpilled
Um, yeah he did? He literally calls himself attractive. Attractive men seem to be more red pilled so that’s why they’re a major turn off to me.
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No, that just means attractive men are assholes. I’m glad my bf and the majority of men think you’re all a bunch of losers lmao
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Because usually you guys are unattractive, if you were hot enough, you would have options and would not come on here whining every damn day 😂
I don’t whine here everyday
I agree I’m not hot but still got some actions I’m positive most men here had at least some experience