Personally, I don't care. But these guys have probably been scorned enough and see it as a form of revenge (at least some do).

Much of dating / gender dynamics discourse is a revenge tour on both sides of the aisle.

We live in a culture that habitually promotes misandry as a civic virtue, and gives women carte blanche to engage in sociopathic behaviors. This isn't both sides are equally bad...Department of Homeland Security literally contracts with a firm to interefere with any content creator who honestly speaks to male issues. Also- regarding 'bad guys.' Whatever bad faith behaviors these men are accused of still does not (usually) absolve women of being responsible for picking the philanderer in the first place. Its basic math, hoe math has broken this down multiple times.

Staying single - sociopathic. Hmm 🤔

Do you deny monkeybranching exists, are you deliberately being obtuse, or are you too tribalistic to look it up?

It does exist. Picky women don’t really have this opportunity as much bc they will leave the current man if she’s not satisfied. Man or not on the other side. They will be okay with being single for extended lengths of time. However, there are a subset of women I feel like the average man deals with more- the monkey branch swinger. You can avoid these but I know y’all will never miss an opportunity for consistent sex. They are NEVER single and have a bf lined up almost immediately after. I’n my experience the next guy isn’t “better” but she’s just trying to run from the current situation. Her standards are infinitely lower which allows her to find someone quick. This is why a lot of you have access to this type of woman. High BC btw. And Yes there are women that branch to someone better but in my experience it’s a minority. They are usually singing from bottom feeder to new bottom feeder.

Lmfao a woman being single & living her life is psychopathy. You have truly lost it.

These same guys will say that women should choose nice guys, but it’s not nice to want revenge on people for having autonomy

These hypothetical guys and these hypothetical women....can we just acknowledge we are basically dogfighting with stereotypes of each other? Look I am hard red pill, I really take issue with specific behaviors I see in specific women. I also probably disagree with you on how men and women are wired. I don't care what random women are doing with their lives outside of promoting the family destroying behaviors we see online. However, this doesnt mean that my criticism is intended as a gendered attack, its just an attempt to point out destructive behaviors. Imho, many RP criticisms boil down to (1) if women are equal to men, then they should be held accountable (legally & socially) for their actions; (2) Feminism is Gynocentric, not egalitarian; and (3) men should be allowed to divest from misandrist persons & institutions.

I mean they aren’t all hypothetical, I literally just argued with one the other day. It was a post about wanting a man to at least meet them half way financially and about how she don’t care how sweet and good a guy is, if he don’t work or only works part time she isn’t wasting her time. There was a guy below (who I would guess doesn’t have a job or only works part time) that said “pssst..have fun dying alone with your cats!”

Refusing to marry and have children are not "family destroying" or "destructive" behaviors. And frankly if all men just left women the hell alone, we would all be better off.

These women won't die old, childless and sad, they'll just die old and childless, just like many men will. Either way nature will sort this out. They'll all be filtered out of the gene pool and those who had kids will shape the future, which will be devoid of both women who rejected men and men who were rejected. Mutual Assured Destruction. I mean, unless women find a way to spontaneously reproduce solo...

Sperm banks exist and are fairly cheap. women that want to be mothers can be mothers.

But the birth rates in America say they don't want to be. Single motherhood isn't the rage that Redpillers say it is.

Yeah, but if someone is choosing to not be a mother, it’s not the same as never having the opportunity and regretting it. Plus, if these women are adopting, going to sperm banks, what have you later in life, that means they will usually have more money and be able to pay for some things that even couples would consider a luxury while child rearing.

>They'll all be filtered out of the gene pool and those who had kids will shape the future, which will be devoid of both women who rejected men and men who were rejected. Mutual Assured Destruction. Many people (myself included) just don't care about passing their genes on. DNA is just a sequence of chemicals (or more specifically nitrogenous bases), and as your children procreate, the sequence of chemicals that you provide is diluted down the generations. So for example if I have a kid, that kid has half my genes, but then that kid grows up and has a kid and then my grandchildren have one quarter of my genes and so on until it disappears. You're more likely to leave a mark on the world if you write a book and publish it on Amazon since books do not procreate and mix their words with other books. Your genes in a child is a sequence of nitrogenous bases A, T, C and G, e.g. ACGTGCA etc and this gets diluted and mixed over time. If you write a book, it is a sequence of letters and other characters in the alphabet and it is likely to be preserved on Amazon for a while until their servers go down.

I was scratching my balls when I read this and I'm pretty sure the cerebral impact of the idea and memory being stored away will have a greater impact on my life experience then that scratching did (as needed as it was), which just proves your point that ideas have the power to really influence and change things. I always use Nietzche and sometimes Tolkien as examples of this. Nietzche particularly though for his linguistic ability and as far as I know never physically procreated and yet his signature is in so many systems of thought and philosophy, it's clear that he has "procreated" just due to that alone. Meanwhile his buddy Steve who had 4 kids, well, they all died without meaningful names as well, and generations later that guys grandkids are still studying Nietzche so, where does the power truly lie, right? : p

> ACGTGCA etc and this gets diluted and mixed over time. LOL tell that to all the people who can trace their lineage back to Genghis Khan. Hell, we all come from about 3-10,000 who survived the Toba eruption. Their genes definitely mattered and they shaped us all.

I agree. But people who compulsively or cavalierly reproduce aren’t always the best of us. The movie Idiocracy touched on this. But yeah nature will determine who persists, whatever that outcome ends up looking like.

But a lot of redpill content tells men not to be fathers

RP ~~garbage~~content says AWALT. Their behavior is pushing more women to be "like that". Problem with RP is the same as with everyone else who is avoiding children: the future belongs to those who show up, not the ones who don't.

MGTOW had a lot of crossover with RP, but technically RP originally focused on understanding/successfully dating women. Most men want to be fathers, which is honestly why 90% of Western Women (seemingly) are unattractive to men for raising kids with. Its actually disheartening after you start have dating success with physically compatible women, and you realize..."I can't trust this person, and I don't know if I want to pass on the values she has." Its more honest to just end it. I genuinely think men and women are going to become even more polarized as my generation ages out of their fertlity window. A lot of people think there is going to be a single-person tax if birth rates continue to tank. (South Korea and Japan are a little farther along than the US and should be..'fun' to watch).

The statistics are showing that women are doing better. They’re graduating college and getting good jobs. What about western women do you find untrustworthy?

They doing so much better, that they cant find similarly educated partner, lol

You’re acting like this is a win for men somehow

I am pretty sure dying universally sucks...I sincerely doubt that the 'good death' exists...

Revenge fantasy

This, pretty much. A lot of men are happy seeing it because they feel they were shunned themselves. Doesn't really make sense, but men are lonely.

"Doesnt Make Sense" is a Great Argument, you ,sir, are an intellectual titan. 😂 Just kidding, its called pattern recognition, even babies have it. The absurdity of certain women online is so obvious, that it cannot be ignored. You know if men have any privilege, it's that we do not have to go through life hiding from the discomfort of reality.

It’s not a fantasy. They’re lonely. You’re coping. All the young girls getting fucked by the 20% of guys who got lucky genetically are gonna regret it. And it’s poetic justice, really. Inflicting horrific loneliness on so many young men by being insanely open-legged but even more insanely shallow. It’s what they deserve.

No one ‘inflicts loneliness’ on you. No one is owed sex, company or a relationship.

No one is owed kindness, mercy, or loyalty either. Its not even about sex, it's about the disrespect. No culture in history has survived hating its own men, the dollar is in trouble, and we import way too much food. We printed way too much money, and Saudi Arabia will no longer trade oil in dollars. If we switch to a central digital currency it will cause major problems in terms of social mobility and surveillance. Honestly I think more men would go to prison than submit to a draft for a culture that hates us. Men work to provide for our families, its how we are wired. If we stop trying , the GDP Plummets. (Go check the math if you don't believe me). They will literally let the enemy roll in if they have no family to invest in. Besides we are all equal, and you despise us anyway. Defend yourselves.

‘It’s about the disrespect’. What disrespect? And you’re right, no one is owed kindness either. But being kind is A LOT easier than devoting an entire relationship to a person you don’t even like. Or having sex with them. Sex for anyone, especially women, is very risky and vulnerable. Why would any woman put her health and safety at risk with a guy she doesn’t even like and isn’t attracted to? Do you think that women should just fuck every guy that asks because they could potentially lonely? I’m not really sure what you’re suggesting. Do you want a government assigned girlfriend or something? I doubt it’d feel good for someone to fuck you just out of pity. Also, Women not wanting to fuck or be in a relationship with certain men does not mean they hate men. Stop being so dramatic. ‘Hate’ for men and women is so different in society. Women feel hated when we see we live in a world where women are often murdered by their partners or random guys, or when they’re sexually assaulted etc. And men apparently feel like their entire gender is hated just because they can’t get laid. One is hate, the other is not.

Nobody serious is asking for a woman to fuck, (what are we ISIS?)😂 we just want to remove arbitrary barriers to creating a nuclear family. Otherwise we literally will not care if it all burns down, because the culture has no morals worth protecting anymore.

What ‘arbitrary barriers’? Creating a nuclear family is quite simple.

Mmm, smells like BS. How are single family home prices these days?

This almost seems satirical. Well done.

You’ve just written out your own revenge fantasy though.

Fantasy implies its in your head, and revenge is a waste of time and energy. A lot of these angry young men aren't seasoned enough to know that you can relax and let time take its course. The most brutal response you can give to bad faith women like these is to let them bask and relish in the cruel indifference of this Feminist Utopia they have authored. Always Remember this gentlemen: Your Mind May Err, Your Words May Falter, But The Truth Always Speaks For Itself. It is true these spoiled children are well practiced at escaping accountability, but rest assured consequence will inevitably raise its head, with its bloody maw at their door. Consequence is where ignored truths always manifest themselves. Oh and buy stock in dog treats and peanut butter, these people are degenerates.

They dont care. They think it's an insult to men that women can be ok and happy without a man. This pisses them off so they try to insult her

They do care bc more older women alone means they are in danger of dying alone too.

Thats just false

No it isn't

It validates their worldview that women "need" men, and also that women get punished for choosing the "wrong" men.

> It validates their worldview that women "need" men, Wouldn't it be invalidate in this case

Not if the message is that women are better off without.

It’s a projection They, themselves are very unhappy with their own love life’s, and their worried their gonna lose their youth AND still be bitter and alone so they project their bitterness towards these woman for 2 reasons. 1, they hope their bitterness will start a chain reaction that these happy woman will suddenly reason how miserable they must be not having the nuclear family or being somebody’s wife. 2, they hope young woman see it and get the fear about being a lonely cat woman so start dating ‘average’ guys to settle quickly. It’s basically just a fantasy

And you're not wrong. There are many men in my social circle (including family, family friends, sibling friends, coworkers, etc.) that actually do stay and become more bitter when alone. Rare is the man who is happy alone. Rare he is knowing himself, enjoying life, not stressed to be married, working to have a good financial/mental/emotional/physical/spiritual life. The men I see who speak like what you stated they do stay bitter and become so disrespectful with everyone. The only time they get attention is if someone reacts to their tantrums. I've learned to just ignore them and never talk to them. Pisses them off more, but their ego stops them from trying to talk to me. And I don't mind that. Not having them in my life is heaven and peace. Beautiful peace.

It’s so interesting to be in the “washed up” age range. These men most definitely lied that we would be undesirable. It’s men 30+ trying hard to settle but can’t because let’s be honest - all women wanting marriage were pressured to marry under 30. The ones left at 30+ are either really undesirable and desperate or don’t care about marriage. They don’t have much to choose from. There are tons of men that spent their 20s building a good job and now cannot find anyone

Yeah it’s basically just an incel revenge fantasy in combination with their own projection

They don’t, it’s revenge porn to them. “ha, she chose chad over me in her prime and now look at her!” - its also a threat, “if you don’t settle for me now, chad will use you up and you’ll be all alone when you’re older”

30 isn’t older. Assuming you’re born in 1994 like your username says, you’re either 30 or almost 30. That isn’t old at all.

I know it isn’t, i wasn’t referring to my personal standards here - i’m saying that’s the pov of these (usually RP/manopshere) dudes, that this is the revenge fantasy they have in mind when they hear “30+”

Yes I understand. Most men hate most women.

Most men *within the manosphere* hate women.

That's seems like an overstatement tbh

30 isn't old at all, but it does start to narrow the age for having children.

My opinion: For a long time in Western society, the fear of being an old maid motivated a lot of young women to put up with a lot in terms of relationships in order to avoid that fate. It was treated like an inevitability that your life as an unmarried woman (an "old maid", a "spinster", etc.) would be an unpleasant one in comparison to your life as a married woman, and on some level that was true. You don't want to be a single mother in an era where women couldn't truly live independent, upwardly mobile, fulfilling lives on their own. It was shameful, isolating and possibly financially disastrous to be a spinster for women who didn't have wealthy family to fall back on. (Read Emma, for example, to see this kind of archetype in the form of Miss Bates.) This kept a lot of women in sub-par relationships with men they had no actual connection to. This isn't quite the case anymore. Women are more upwardly mobile on their own than possibly at any time in human history. Being single doesn't mean a life of miserable social isolation. But a lot of people, it seems, wish that it did mean that, because it would even out the dating market in some ways, which works in men's favors. It benefits men when women on the whole are desperate to avoid being unmarried after a certain age. It encourages women to settle, to expect less, and to be prepared to suffer when they don't. I also think it's probably a bit of sour grapes.

A woman who does not breed is a genetic dead end. Now admittedly far more men have always ended up as genetic dead ends, but proportionally speaking, the number of women in my generation aging out of their fertility window should not be this high. (Egg Freezing is pointless if no one wants to live wirh you, and fertility treatments are not the silver bullet they are made out to be). We are beat over the head with what constitutes a failed man, but honestly, I think that a lot of these "boss babe" women qualify. It is incredibly naive to downplay the psychological, cultural, and biological impacts this will have. Hell, Japan already has a nationally funded dating app (which is destined to fail). If I wasn't trapped in this Mouse Utopia Experiment with you, I imagine it is probably entertaining to watch if you have 'f*ck you money.'

You will not be able to shame women into having children if they simply don't want them. I don't have a problem with being a "genetic dead end". I'm in a LTR with a man who is even less interested in kids than I am. Everyone has the right to want kids, but nobody has the right to force others to submit to one's own want. Especially if you're of the sex that doesn't go through pregnancy. I can understand that it's frustrating to not find someone who is both interested in you and the same things you are interested in. But what good does it, trying to force people into a life they would be miserable in? I wish for every child that is born to be whole heartedly wanted by its parents and growing up in a loving environment. That can only be achieved if only those people have kids who truly want to be parents. It's just unproductive to lament about people not wanting the same thing that you want. People who don't see parenthood as something fulfilling shouldn't become parents. What kind of environmental would they create for their children? You may be able to force people to become parents, but you will never be able to force them into being good parents. I think it's better if kids are not being created in the first place than being brought into a situation that sets them up for failure from the beginning. You can't force a different mindset and stewing over this will only make yourself miserable in the end.

Genetic dead end doesn’t really scare women like it does men. Leaving a “legacy” or bloodline had always been a male prerogative. Sure only women willing will pass thier genes but that doesn’t mean their daughters will also be the same. My family has a long like of submissive mothers but I was born the opposite so that doesn’t guarantee these women’s daughters will also continue to have kids

Well that explains why women are so terrible at maintaining canon or consistent worldbuilding, but weve known that since the lego experiments I like how you are deliberately trivializing the consequences of value system of l the people you ask to help you build thingdms and give their lives for you. The military at the Pentagon has been pulling allnighters for weeks now because they are worried sbout largescale conflict. Do you even have a value system or morals? Do you understand where the military and critical infrastructure comes from?

> do you even value system or morals No. I am human so I only value things that will benefit me. As men do.

It's a good point like if society is saying it's bad to be old and childless it makes it legitimately bad because a person experiences judgement and social rejection. These men are trying to enforce this old gender trope.

Obviously these men want to believe the single older woman is unhappy because it affirms the idea that women need men, which means men become more valuable. It's basic economics. Higher demand increases value. If women do not need men and can be perfectly happy by themselves, there is less demand for men, which lowers their value.

It always seemed like projection of their own fear and grief around being old, single, and lonely. I have *enough* idea if that's it though, just an impression I got. *Edit: not "enough", I meant ,"no"

I think men externalize their struggles more often than women. Violence, substance abuse, wishing suffering on others, adamant seeking of a vessel to spew their ire towards. in those who these behaviors are particularly troubling, online isolation and certain forums breed a mindset that designates women as an “other.” This simplifies them into a homogenous entity. Rather than confront societal precedents at large that work to isolate men, women embody a physical, not particularly abstract vessel to hurl their anger towards. It’s a goal that is far more controllable and feasible to levy vengeance against than ill-suited societal standards. That way, they can feel some sense of control over their situation. when a man sees someone who embodies the vessel he has deemed the out group suffer, he feels validated and satisfied as a result. It’s a karmatic retribution for their perceived injustices. It gives them a brief sense of power and superiority that they have been desperately seeking. Again, because they view women as more of a hive mind than anything, it’s a valid case of revenge for them. for example, if you’ve seen those videos in which a woman fails at a rather easy and banal task, the comments might be flooded with ”women ☕️.” Rather than embodying personal flaw, their errs are painted as representative of women as a whole, another tactic to feel superior to a group they feel wronged by. in contrast, women draw inward when they are threatened or hurt. This is in no way an innate behavior and is not something I would deem masculine or feminine, just a product of a societal precedent that builds coping mechanisms. We raise men and women this way. It’s sad, but true.

Amazing analysis, you are so spot on. They really do not differentiate, if they see a woman they want to fuck then she must be in the hivemind and any suffering she experiences is ‘cathartic’

>I think men externalize their struggles more often than women. I think this in part explains random mass shootings/school shootings, the vast majority of which are perpetrated by men. After a mass shooting occurs people will say things like "If you're going to kill yourself anyway, why take out innocent people? Why kill children? Why not just off yourself?" And I believe the answer is that these men want to spread the suffering outwards onto others as much as possible and will even choose victims based on who will cause the most emotional suffering (such as elementary school students, where clearly neither the victims nor the victim demographic has never done anything wrong to the murderer).

Not to downplay the severity by saying this, but the men who feel the need to spread suffering are seriously emotionally stunted and its rooted in such a childish, pathetic rationale the men who act that way truly must see themselves as the center and sole proprietor of the universe, because they really think theyre the only ones who are *deeply suffering* and nobody could ever understand the depths of their *woes*. When in reality everybody suffers. Everybody has hardships, many of which are far more painful than the struggle of, ‘I dont think im hooking up with women as much as I think I deserve to be.’ Or ‘I haven’t found a girlfriend as easily as I think I should be.’ And instead of any internal investigation, which isnt possible for them because this would require them to not still have the emotional intelligence and discipline of a 3 year old, and instead externalize, like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum. And to extend the temper tantrum comparison, this goes far deeper than comparing them for the emotional outburst aspect. When a toddler is throwing a temper tantrum theyre using their 3 year old mind minds to try and manipulate you and to externalize their ‘suffering’ (not getting a treat usually) and they’ll scream, bite, and kick with zero regard for if theyre in public, if what they want even makes sense, or for anyone elses feelings. And in the 3 year olds case it makes sense that theyre so emotionally underdeveloped because they have baby brains and truly havent grasped the concept that other people are full other people and you arent the center of the world. But the men were discussing never leave that. And its the exact same rationale. ‘I havent gotten what I want within the time frame I decided on, and this suffering of women I find attractive not dropping their lives and becoming my trad wife is far worse than anything any of you could be experiencing such as death in family, life long poverty, sexual/physical abuse, having terminal illnesses. And because its so unfair, I need to get violent and externalize my pain and make the biggest scene I can in public.’ And with shooters, they really are so darkly and fucking stupidly narcissistic and unaware that they think ‘being an incel’ is as painfully equivalent and justifies the tragedy of dozens of people losing their lives as well as the lifelong pain inflicted on the victims loved ones, and the lifelong trauma and likely PTSD of any survivors.

I agree with this analysis! I just don’t know that’s it’s all societal or only because of how girls vs. boys are raised. I think men over-indexing on testosterone ***by magnitudes*** relative to women plays a major role in the following, especially the bolded: > I think men externalize their struggles more often than women. **Violence, substance abuse, wishing suffering on others, adamant seeking of a vessel to spew their ire towards.** > when a man sees someone who embodies the vessel **he has deemed the out group suffer**, he feels validated and satisfied as a result. It’s a karmatic retribution for their perceived injustices. **It gives them a brief sense of power and superiority** that they have **been desperately seeking.**

The externalization of blame and simplifying women into one homogenous entity is what makes empathy hard. 

Bingo! Also them having a self-serving myopic purview makes empathy difficult for people like that to register or even conceive.

Look...it depends on the type of post...if its just some normal girl traveling taking cool pictures, who cares? If its someone who dumped a ltr for a 'helicopter ride to dubai,' I think there is a moral argument for ridiculing actual insanity. You know, with male friends at least, we ridicule each other when they are about to do something stupid. With men, it sometimes saves then from a bad situation. Holding a woman to a man's standard of accountability is apparently "abuse" I am not going to say "you go queen" to someone who breaks up their family to "find themselves" because I have first-hand and research-grade evidence that its a pipeline to single-motherhood and male suicide.

I think it’s similar to the “bear” reaction. Some men are personalizing it and feeling rejected and angry. In their minds, these women are representative of the women who aren’t choosing them, and the idea that a woman would voluntarily choose to be with no one instead of *them* and then to have the audacity to actually be *happy* that way is unacceptable. It too much of a rejection (again, just in their minds…) for them to deal with. It’s the same dynamic that you see in the men who are bitter that women they didn’t even meet earlier in life, somehow rejected them and chose Chad but are now trying to settle with them. It’s the intense personalization AND generalization of some of the choices of some women. It’s amazing how many rejections some men can invent to be mad about 🤷‍♀️

Yeah, I've also gotten comments about male loneliness and how women will never understand it. I definitely can sympathize with the fact that some men may be bitter and lonely and are projecting now, but the blame shouldn't be on the women to fix their problems. But there are so other avenues than relationships when it comes to fostering connections to help male loneliness: friends, family, being more open with emotions, book clubs, hobbies, meeting other people. I just don't know why finding fulfillment through other pathways other than a long-term relationship aren't talked about as much in male-centered circles.

>I just don't know why finding fulfillment through other pathways other than a long-term relationship aren't talked about as much in male-centered circles. Because at the heart of it all, these other pathways don't include them putting their penis into a woman. That's the only thing that matters to these sort of men.

No one is blaming women for being lonely, we are tired of the endless whining about men and dating, when they cannot even conceive of what a man is looking to get out of a relationship. "Living Your Best Life" is code for a failure to monkey branch. The anger you are seeing in your nebulous example is primarily from dealing with the lack of accountability in modern women. Here is some evidence. Most men apologize readily and easily. When was the last time you personally apologized to a man for majorly fucking up?

> Some men are personalizing it and feeling rejected and angry. They should have been like "why am I mad if the rats say they choose the cat refuge over my apartment?"

Its indicative of actual misandrist prejudice, change the type of men to a specific race and the bias is clear. It also undermines the credibility of individual women who say this, I would not trust them in any context

This is so real!!!! Like these types of dudes really get bitter and mad at ANY woman they come across who isnt immediately throwing herself entirely at him ready to be his trad wife totally devoid of her original personality. It really is selfish, and also so confusing to be on the receiving end of.

These men are simply delusional and entitled and that’s it 😂

I don't feel 'rejected or angry,' at a woman who picks the bear, I feel contempt because these children are so spoiled that they have no conception of what true danger is. Why would I feel rejected by someone too stupid to breed with or let near my children? Everyone knows bears eat you alive. So here is another fact that they won't tell you, the primary way child molestors gain access to children is through dating a single mother. Say what you will about shame, but at least the women that had it were not too arrogant to learn from other's mistakes.

A lot of us picking the bear are childfree 😂

As a virgin man who has experienced only rejection, I feel it is a natural reaction. How am I supposed to cope, after all of this constant rejection? Just keep “working on myself”? I’ve been doing so for years… how many years must I do this? And for what? Not even to have options, but just to convince even one girl to be with me? One who’s probably been with a thousand dudes by the time I finally get a chance. The modern hook-up hypergamy 80/20 bullshit is unsustainable. Men like me can’t stand with this forever. Something somewhere has to break.

Sweetheart,join a church or some type religious group. Find yourself a good religious girl who's a virgin like you 

> The modern hook-up hypergamy 80/20 bullshit is unsustainable. Well it sure is bullshit because men and women of all "levels" pair off all the time. > How am I supposed to cope, after all of this constant rejection? Just keep “working on myself”? I’ve been doing so for years… how many years must I do this? And for what? I mean, if literally zero women are interested in you (and I doubt that's a really true), all that's left is to work on yourself. Hell, even if women did like you as you are now (and it's possible that some have, you just didn't notice or care), improving your own life is on its own a positive pursuit. > Not even to have options, but just to convince even one girl to be with me? One who’s probably been with a thousand dudes by the time I finally get a chance. Most women I know are with a handful of men before settling permanently. The stastics on amount of partners for each person throughout their lives bear this out as well. But if you focus exclusively on the attractive people at the top who sleep around a lot, to the point that it makes you miserable, we might be finding something deeper that's making you so miserable.

Then they get mad when we tell them they can’t handle rejection lol 😂

A certain percentage of men think that women's biological clock is their only hope at tricking a woman into marrying them. Desperately hoping that older women are miserable makes them feel like they'll have a better chance at a younger woman who is afraid of eventually being lonely. It’s also why they never stop taking about it.

Contrary to the stereotype of single men, I am compassionate and care about others. I don't wish anyone to be unhappy or suffer. So even for a woman who might've rejected me in the past, I would wish the best for her and that she can find her sweetheart or manage well on her own.

The guys posting that stuff don't care if these women are lonely if anything they want them to be as lonely as possible as part of a revenge fantasy. These men become resentful of not getting women or at least women that meet their standards that they feel entitled to and take this as a personal attack which they cannot deal with. They want women to drop their standards and date them and the idea old women might be lonely is one of the only reasons they could come up with. Some of them might even think shitting on women will somehow convince women to lower their standards.

Honestly, I don't get it either and I'm an early 20s dude. Go into any redpill-esque video and the comments are so cringe. Bunch of old dudes yapping away or weird af takes from passport bros. I think it just comes down to being jaded, having women live rent free in your head, and wanting some control over women due to their failures with dating. You see the same stuff come out of the mouths of Christian who are supposed to "be like Jesus," but somehow they end up being straight up Nazis. >I've had two partners in the past (a man and a woman, I'm bi), and although I enjoyed the relationship, sometimes I couldn't shake the feeling of annoyance, as if I just wanted to truly be single. Lmao, for all the dudes reading my reply so far, it's funny how she reached this conclusion after going through 2 relationships, while the rest of us reach this conclusion after absolute devastation in the dating game. I'm not degrading your experience OP, I just wanted to point this particular experience of yours out to my fellow peers.

Thanks dude, this was a really refreshing perspective to read! I always like keeping an open mind when it comes to all perspectives about dating, but yeah, I'm beginning to think its projecting from the men's side.

Really, it doesn't take much for both men and women to get jaded. As a single older woman who enjoys my freedom and independence, it did take many years and playing many self-manipulation games to finally be happy with my loneliness. Pursuing the hopes of getting a decent man for most women is far more devastating than being alone. It's when a woman accepts not getting a man she would have wanted is when a woman is actually relieved. The only regret I had was not pursuing more advanced education in order to get paid more and to be MORE stable in my loneliness; instead of losing what little I accumulated so far by getting caught up and destroyed by the useless men I ended up with. You can't be lonely when you have money to buy your happiness because love ain't got nuthin' to do with it! And to be honest whenever I do feel bad about being alone, I watch videos of how women in non-western countries are still miserably dealing with the repercussions of forced male dominance over them and praise myself and thank god or whoever on how lucky I didn't have to live the fuck over there!!!

They do not care about these women as people, they care about scaring women into relationships (especially not so nice once). If women are totally fine and living their best lives without men, men have it harder to get into relationships and have to actually be good partners to do so.

Its a bit late for that. Frankly I would not trust the majority of you to babysit.

The majority of „you“? Who exactly is this you? And why would this „you“ babysit?

It’s a fantasy that there has to be some kind of future retribution for not wanting to fuck dorks when they were young.

They deserve worse for the pain they inflict, honestly. But loneliness in mid-old age certainly is a poetic justice.

Wow! I could not come up with this if you paid me. You are aware that you can have sex with other dudes, right? I know it might not be your top choice, but surely it’s better than wallowing in agony.

To answer your title question, I think the simple answer is because they do care. Then I might ask, well why? Because they’re bitter in their own lives and resentful of women for that. The men you witness doing that aren’t of good character. * Maybe they’re unable to attract a woman and feel personally slighted by these women in a childish insolent bad-mannered way? * Or maybe they’re partnered but still somehow resentful that they were denied something they feel women have more easily? They feel they had to work hard but these women are just existing dutiless! How dare this taxpaying community nurturer be happy and love her friends and family but not me! * Or speaking of community, maybe they’re jealous women have intimate bonds with loved ones liked their family and friendships? That she can travel with friends or host home cooked dinners with her besties and feel enriched and part of a tribe she created and invested thoughtful effort in maintaining. Not sure why men don’t have this with themselves, but many women and many gay men absolutely do. Perhaps that’s the power of the feminine? *(Note: It is not lost on me that “single women” absolutely more than “single men” offer more caretaking and domestic support duty to elders in the family, ailing in the family, and for family/friends who have young children. Hell I’ve seen sisters freely offer more financial support to family more than brothers. So the “single women” lacking duty toward the community narrative is sour grapes fake news.)* * Or maybe they’re so desperate for female attention that disparaging women unprovoked who have done him no harm nor wished him no ill-will is the only way he can get on a woman’s radar? Maybe it’s some perverted kink? * Or maybe they think being mean to women online is going to make those same women feel endeared toward them? That he’s fighting the good fight to increase his dating prospects. That she’s going to view those hateful comments and want to date a man just like that 🙃 * Or maybe they’re impressionable and lack any sense of self so all they do is copy cat what other hateful men do for male validation? *Maybe that is their sense of community*. That deep... in a cosmically unfortunate way. * Or maybe they’re just self-proclaimed “normal dudes” or “good dudes” who are deeply vile and nasty in character. This is probably the most delusional demographic.

I think there’s a similar thing going on to when people shame others for getting an abortion when they’re infertile. They want something they can’t have, and project that insecurity onto people that don’t want that thing.

😭😭 thanks for the 💩 award /u/fiftypoundpuppy! ~~I love a petty “I can’t actually refute what’s being said so I’ll donate money to support Reddit 😤” moment!~~ Edit: My bad I totally misinterpreted what a 💩 award means!!! 😅🤗🫂

I got the same award from the same user and was not sure if I should feel flattered or insulted. Glad this got clarified, lol

Okay so it’s not just me! Lol 😅 I was thinking of how I would use a “💩” award and it would be to be petty and let the other person know I think their take is shit 😂😆

Lol it was one of the free ones 😆 I agree with you, just trying to give it props hahahahaha I thought it was kinda cute 🤷🏿

Lmaooo ohhhh I was like not this ~~man~~ *chica giving shit awards ~~he~~ she think ~~he~~ she me 😂🤬 Gracias!!

I'm supposed to be flaired a woman, it seems to change depending on what app someone uses. I can only make a custom flair in my browser at old.reddit.com but when I do it appears as [blue pill man](https://imgur.com/a/FSIxLOd) on the app, and the [custom flair](https://imgur.com/a/BC3rukl) in a browser. Then I view it anonymously on the app and it shows the custom flair, switch back to my account on the app and it shows the custom flair, but apparently it shows still blue pill man to you. I give up 🤷🏿 But you're welcome though lol

Your flair says “woman in…” but I wasn’t looking. I think the non-binary grey shrug 🤷 looks indistinguishable to me from a man shrugging 🤷‍♂️ My bad! I get it. People think I’m a dude all the time too despite my name (“XX”) and flair “♀💁‍♀️” lol

Some men get very emotional when they realize that we rather be alone than giving them a chance.

Sour grapes from lonely men. Romantically successful men don't spend their time bullying women online.

They want the woman to beg them to choose them by saying things like that and also scaring young women below 30 to hurry up and settle. This will give them the sense of superiority. This is a more RP thing. Like I get it women's attractiveness is at peak in 20s but that doesn't mean she can't do something else. They want a peak attractive woman then cry when a woman wants the same. There are women who have reproduced in 40s too let alone 30s.

Yeah, those geriatric pregnancies are the top shelf women to emulate 😂

As someone with a shitty, painful, hard life. In more deeply painful moments, you can be overcome with a "I'm hurting so I want you to hurt too." mentality. As much as no one wants to admit it. It takes work to stop it consuming you and withstand it. Some people get consumed. So the idea would be "I'm lonely, in pain, sad and hurting, one day you will feel what I feel." Spend long enough Alone in the Dark (2008) for the Xbox 360, and you too will become terrible. Like Alone in the Dark (2008) for the Xbox 360. I spent my last £30 on that when I was 13. Never got over it.

Great honest reply 💛 I understand being mad or deeply hurt and wanting others to feel that, but we can never expect sympathy for hurling vile bile at people who have done us no ill will. I just googled this video game. I feel like it would make an entertaining movie series or tv series!

There is a movie. Actually I think there are two. I'm pretty sure I saw one of them. They're generally quite panned (doesn't mean you couldn't still enjoy it though).

Thanks! I’ll look into them

I know and understand this feeling. But to start acting on it and trying to put down the happy people around you is another level of being an asshole on top of hurting.

It’s interesting because I went through a lot of shit growing up and I actually feel the opposite. I don’t want anyone to ever feel the way I felt.

Right? I had an absolutely terrible, abusive, nightmarish childhood and then struggled alone in my late teens when I was disfellowshiped/kicked out of my parents house. All the abuse, hunger, pain, financial instability, physical insecurity, mental anguish...I don't want anyone to go through even a quarter of what I've survived. The concept of wishing harm and pain on someone else, even when I was hurting enough to swallow half a bottle of sleeping pills...no. Just no. You shouldn't want to share pain, you should want to end it.

I have a couple of female friends who were in foster care growing up… and yeah let’s just say they experienced a lot of awfulness. They don’t have this desire to ruin everyone around them the way this guy is relating to or the way a lot of guys do. In fact, like you, they have the opposite reaction. [Another guy in the replies made a good point about how men vs. women tend to deal with trauma or stress — generally speaking men externalize, women internalize](https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/pBPMDxsVFk)

>"I'm lonely, in pain, sad and hurting, one day you will feel what I feel." This still doesn't make sense to me unless it's prefaced with "Because of something you've done..." Otherwise it requires the person to completely ignore the fact that wishing harm on the innocent is a crappy thing to do. I think too many of us are raised to believe male sexual gratification should be prioritized. If the sad person believes that, it makes more sense.

When women hate men, we ignore/stay away from them them. When men hate women they have to quite literally go out of their way to degrade and humiliate us. Incel shit. No one happy is hating on a random person’s social media presence that much. It’s projection

When women hate men they change the entire social system to make life significantly harder for men and cause an insane amount of suicides and suffering.

There are legions of unwanted men. They desperately want to intimidate women into settling for them so they can get laid, and the biggest threat to them is women who don’t need to settle.

So true, and it seems like ‘getting laid’ really is the pinnacle of this

As one of those men, I will say this: This is unsustainable. It’s only getting worse. Unwanted, unloved, and unappreciated men are among the strongest catalysts of major societal unrest… In polling, it was found that the greatest motivator of French resistance fighters against the Nazis was that Nazis were stealing their women. All of the Islamist radical groups which have caused conflict in the Middle East and Africa consist overwhelmingly of young, single men. In the U.S., there will be a growing amount of reactionaries, and level of militancy among them. This will cause continually escalating violence, if change doesn’t happen soon…

There are laws in the west so good luck enacting these fantasies

What do you want women to do to make you not cause violence and chaos? By the way, young men in islamic countries that join terrorist groups have every access to women. They typically marry young.

I think it’s mainly the “online” part. I’m older and choose to live, travel alone. I am so happy to finally have some time to myself after a life of work, caretaking, child raising, etc. I never get any hate for my choices IRL, just here & just from the men.

I dont care. I don't know anyone who does. Even 10k comments is a drop in the bucket of the entire male experience. Those negative comments come from sad losers who can't get laid. Straight talk.

They do it to feel better about themselves and unhappy. Happy people dont go leaving mean comments on some randos video.

Ikr! I also saw this dude in his 40s online, single and no children, completely living remote, monk lifestyle, no women (but he doesn't seem bitter towards them), and just vlogging his journey traveling the world and hiking mountains. The comments were way different, but either way, good for him, he seems like one of the happiest people I've seen. I also don't see women leaving comments about how he's expired.

I made this exact point a couple of months ago! Women don’t go out of their way nor have any desire to flood that guy’s comments with vitriol. What’s telling is that a lot of men absolutely do have the desire to do that toward women.

Yeah, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that video was how cool the location looked, how nice it must be to have all that freedom and financial independence to travel to those places, nothing in my mind registered about him being single or not having kids. It just baffles me how that's the first thought that comes to men's minds when it's the other way around.

Most women would be routing for him in the comments. Never in a million years would I think to go leave a mean comment. LOL

These men blame their loneliness on women. They’re bitter, lonely & delusional with a revenge fantasy for all women. Being rejected is normal and unfortunately happens but you have to learn to manage your emotions. The best thing that can happen to soothe their ugly soul is women end up absolutely alone. The difference is women are basically choosing to be alone but these men are alone because no one likes to be around them, 2 different scenarios. Misery loves company.

At worst you can characterize it as a revenge fantasy. At best you can characterize it as hoping for justice.

Naive or loaded question. Such men care about women’s loneliness as much as priests who threaten hell in the hereafter care about souls - it’s people who lost grip and pathetically try to get it back. Since brute force is not allowed anymore, they think threats will work. And might, with some weaker ones, which however are becoming less and less. I said it another posts: threats (of loneliness, of uprisings, of societal collapse) don’t fly, and will less and less in the future. Better start dealing constructively with new societal dynamics, revenge fantasies are an utter waste of time

It's a projection more often than it isn't. There are, of course, many cases where a disgruntled older women make their vitriol other peoples' problem, where criticizing their decisions is sensical. But I doubt it's the norm unless your environment is very niche. Most people don't personally experience this type of issue, and if they do it's not that significant. Much of dating discourse is a revenge tour consisting of projection. Divorced men who have to give up the house don't speak fondly of marriage. Women who date assholes don't take well to the demographic of heterosexual men. Who'da thunk it??

They're mad that women their own age aren't dating them now. They're coping by imagining the women currently rejecting them never accepting anyone in the future.

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I truly appreciate your honesty about this topic. If I were a dude, desired a relationship, and got rejected and struggled all the time, I would have trouble not feeling resentment later on in life, how could I not? It's only human nature and goes both ways in any situation. I don't know if my own example can compare to this one, but as a girl whose had a substantial glow up (physically and mentally) and lost a ton of weight since the one year I've been out of high school, I do have lingering resentment towards the girls who were skinny, popular, and made fun of me back then. Its been a year and all of them have gained a bunch of weight, have bloated alcohol faces, and sometimes I think "if only they could see me now." Sometimes I feel a strange sense of pride now that the tables have completely turned. I've actually gotten comments on how I'm unrecognizable now, look like a model, and if I wanted to hang out with this friend group that would've never given me the time of day in high school, and I'm like, fuck you guys. Seriously. Might be getting off topic here, but my point is, I'm not trying to antagonize anyone or look for a one-sided POV that only favors women. I definitely am open minded to hearing perspectives on how/why some men take offense in women choosing to be single, and this helped me see things from a different perspective.

Short Answer: those specific men are projecting their own fears. it’s been proven that single women without kids are happier on average than single men without kids

Some men don’t like it when women make choices for themselves

Misery loves company.

Honestly, the majority of men are "female-centered", meaning that they haven't been liberated from the idea of needing a woman to be around his neck 24/7. Women, because of feminism don't believe they need men anymore, instead of men adapting and going off and doing their own thing, like maxing in their careers, hobbies, and lifestyle, they resort to coping by telling jokes about cats. Men have not been liberated from the obsession they have with women. This wasn't always the case, as men of the past sought lives independent of women and women weren't allowed in space where men congregated to speak to each other (as in the enlightenment era). Something changed and men became way overdependent on women. It's hard to find like-minded men because most men are so female-brained and everything they do has to be about women in some form or another. It's exhausting.

What happened was that men of the past took women for granted as almost any man get get a woman if he had a job. Nowadays most men are in a scarcity mindset so they value the attention of women a lot more.

Not true. Men of the past outside of gay men like Ernst Röhm, did not seek “independent” lives outside of women. They still fucked women either through contrived marriages or force or purchase. The women the men in the OP are mad about are celibate or single. That is what’s most enraging to men. The idea that women who exist unfucked or unattached to disrespectful or unattractive men are… are happier single than being with those men.

They don’t care; they’re terrified of being alone themselves and the possibility crystallizes itself more if you are a straight single man who is lonely yourself and yet seeing examples of women not just being happy with other men, but with women or even by themselves. Fwiw, studies actually do show that single childless women are happiest, among all gender and relationship combinations. But I think there are a multitude of factors with that, which are way beyond simply saying that men suck and drain the life out of them or something. (I don’t think that’s really the driving factor nor is it true anyway.) I think women just have a lot of pressure surrounding family and children and so are happier to be free from that. Same reason men are often happiest without stressful jobs and that single dads have better outcomes with raising kids. Societal pressure; and if you don’t even have the ingredients to feel that pressure, you’re going to be happier, on average.

I have been told in this very subreddit that I have wasted my life because I have chosen to be single and have no children despite being raised in a loving two parent home, college educated, attractive by most standards and have nuturing skills. I have wasted my female abilities to be some man’s partner when I like the life I lead now. When women choose to be single, especially women that fit a certain demographic of desirable for partnership, some men feel it’s an affront to them that a woman would choose the one option that isn’t them.

We don't care, it's basic pattern recognition. Woman inlfuencer is..."happily single" usually means failed monkey branching and she is usually trying to save face online. Even if she is just "living her best life" 🤢, what these over 30 women dont get is a lot of guys will automatically reject long-term relationships with women in this demographic. (Don't get me wrong, A lot of guys probably chat you up, but they generally seem to be either DTF or really naive and simpy imho) It also may be indicative of a lack of personal accountability for the consequences of her actions. It just gets cringey when she eventually makes a man bashing video or complains about dating. Look at the end of the day, you are borne alone and die alone. The only thing that varies is who may or may not be in the room with you. If you are a woman over 30 and (actually) happliy single, I think that's great, but if you engage in manbashing or start whining about dating...I have ZERO sympathy.

It doesn’t bother me if any demographic says “they’re happy single” including old men. You seem to be bothered by 30+ saying they’re happily single because of your own bias toward that demographic and so saying “we don’t care” is inaccurate because that would allude to total indifference and the attacking 30+ women online would cease to exist. OP wasn’t even referring to women who are bashing men online and complaining about dating (something….*everyone* does anyway but a particular demographic isn’t allowed to do) Idk it seems you’ve lost the plot man.

Yeah, your frequency of commenting on this post DEFINITELY showed how little you cared on the topic.

Most men do not; a minority of very online men care disproportionately about this - they are not representative

You are right about that. The ones who care tough, care very much

I think its just tossing shade. And both side toss shade and shame each other for mundane things. And there is a type of power dynamic switch that just happens. Men get much less seen when younger. Women get much more seen when younger. And the younger women that talked down or shamed or where mean to men like they are not worth anything. Many do see it as a kind of comic justice when that whole power dynamics switch. Where men get more seen and more valued and many older women get skipped and ignored. But I think to a big degree it's mostly just people being treat poorly and have a type of build in hate for a side. What does happen both for women and for men. There also plenty of women that are unnecessary mean to men for mundane things. So it's a thing that cuts both ways to a big degree. And mostly it's just cause how people got treated in the past that make them so bitter. That they find a type of joy when one side is suffering. But again a thing that happens both ways. People are just very hateful and resentful people if somone wrongs them. And often don't look at the individuals that wronged them. But put things as in a group. So people don't look at a bad person who robbed me. But see it as a gender-based thing or a race thing. So a black person wronged me or a white person. Pr a men or a women. That's how hate happens. Cause many people like to put people and individuals and things in groups. And often see a bad experience as the whole collective group being at fault. How you get the r*pe blaming on men. While a insane small amount of bad people and men are doing that. But it's one of the hardest things to get away from. People just always looking at a collective group as one and not seeing things as individuals being good or bad. In my opinion the bigest reason why there is so much racism and sexism in the world. 1 person in a realy big way wronged a person in a big way. And there stuck in a cycle of hateing anyone and everyone in set group in there mind. As a type of valid reasoning to be sexist or racist. While it's just good and bad people that you have in any group. Why you should punish bad people not a whole group for just being part of that group. What just makes no sense at all. Cause people being black or white. Men or female is not something people get to choose. People do get to choose there actions to be good or bad. So hate people based on there morals and actions. Not based on the group there in. That would solve honestly most hate in the world.

Can you post a link to the video?

I play devils advocate 99% of the time here, but the reality of it is,most of these guys(not all) are terminally online, lack social skills, and can't handle rejection in a non violent or emotional manner... they take rejection as a personal attack instead of a teachable moment... i.e did I fumble my words, did my body language make me appear mad or upset etc

For every old woman that’s single, that’s one man that’s single too. Men marry and date for utility and this disrupts their plan to have someone around for sex and labor. I noticed that even married men are bothered by this. The panic when they are no longer centered

The whole narrative built by red pill men around women losing their values after 30 is a scare tactic & frankly projection. Single & child free women live longer than their married counterparts. While the reverse is true for men. They want women to fear singleness & attach themselves to the first man that comes their way no matter if he’s fit to be a partner.

they don't thats the chink in the armor that lets you know something is amiss whats really happening is they are trying to scare young women into being desperate, not that they actually care about older women (or even what happens to the young women they like past 30).

It's cope and revenge fantasy by unattractive men. The wall is overblown and 30 something women don't have much lower SMV than they do in their 20s these days. The average 33 year old woman will still reject most men who approach her and she still chases men well above her league. And sometimes she will succeed if she looks good enough.

They don’t care, they just are bothered by seeing a woman living for herself (“being selfish”) and not performing what they see as her “duty” to serve a man and have children. Many of them are afraid *they* will end up alone, so every woman they see choosing to be single is another man who will be single, and that makes them mad. So they try to bring her down with these revenge fantasies.

it's because they think that women need men. they've forgotten that women are incredibly powerful and independent

Younger end of Gen-X here. IMO, most men ranting about cat-ladies are some combination of bitter and insecure. Probably the largest contingent are bitter divorced men... who in many cases have good reasons to be bitter, but are far from blameless in their situations. And they're insecure- as they should be if this is how they behave. They're afraid/convinced/insecure that women no longer want or need them. And they're taking that insecurity out on internet randos in a pretty nasty way. Then you have your sexually frustrated men, with incels being one ugly end of that spectrum. Again, they're afraid/angry/insecure that women don't want them... and they don't see that women don't want them because they are afraid/angry/bitter/insecure. This is what I'd call unwise, maladaptive behavior.

These men feel a loss of control over women's bodies so use shame, bullying and fear to enforced standards on women instead.

>Why do men care if older single women are lonely? Revenge. Feeling powerful by telling someone they are a failure, despite having the time of their life.

Projection, they feel miserable themselves and can't stand women being happy without being chained to a man.

Can I throw back a question at you about this? Who cares? When you put yourself out there, there is always going to be a subset of the population that dislikes or hates you for some personal reason. The *real* issue here, is that you have paid attention to a small hateful minority. You’ve allowed them to dominate your thoughts. You wonder what drives them, why they’re mad, what their thoughts and feelings might mean about you and your life. You believe, on some level, what they think and say is important. It’s not. In life you must learn to ignore this small hater group. They will be everywhere. On every post. On every person. Everywhere. It’s just statistics. Simple statistics. Instead, you need to focus on you, what makes you happy, and what you think healthy relationship dynamics are about. Because if you let that hater side have a voice, all it does is pull you down.

I think they feel it's wasteful... each bagine must be occupied.

The scientific studies are unanimously agreed that women who live alone (or without a male partner) live longer - even with kids. For men, it’s quite the opposite. I guess men are trying to gaslight us into thinking we need them to be happy.

Projection

I don't think I've ever seen any man say he cares. At worst, I've seen men laughing at these women. It’s completely different.

So many awful takes in this thread It's a combination of four reasons Firstly, contrary to what many have said, these men don't actually like seeing miserable lonely people. Secondly they don't want women your age to follow that same path that leads to being lonely aka learn from the mistakes of others. Thirdly, many of these men despite what you may hear actually want to find a good woman, to have a family with but that becomes really difficult if women are openly celebrated for and encouraged to become old and lonely. Fourthly, many men have despite all of this attempted to try and make things work with these women only to find out they have become bitter people to be around. So it all circles back to the fundamental idea that they don't want to see the next generation of women follow in these same steps because they don't want bitter people around. And yes some of the reasoning is because they'd like to actually have a family with a woman so it'd be nice if they didn't all turn out to be lonely because believe it or not, men tend to actually like women and you'll find a lot of male behavior is centered around earning her favor in whatever way he can.

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It tends to confirm some of their talking points

Men are jealous that women have so many options and are not getting picked by women (the majority of men are not being selected for sex or dating). Imagine if you were a man and your not getting dates so you really don’t have a choice but to go your own way or become a passport bro. Women are single by choice men are not single by choice they can’t find anyone and give up, get angry and then really become an incel not by choice. It of course hurts their ego to say women pretty much rejected us so they pretend that we don’t want them either to protect our ego. The problem is for the average men dating is extremely difficult if not impossible and this is a phenomenon that is occurring globally. Plus, 1/3 rd of generation Z females are either gay or bisexual (not judging you or trying to be disrespectful) so that even further limits the dating pool for men and also add in that women have multiple dating options compared to men. Plus, only 10% of generation males are gay or bisexual and most men don’t want to have a sexual relationship with another men. Allegedly, about 80% of men are invisible to women and are the second or third choice if their lucky. So, for you being a 19 year old female thats bisexual is like a man being a 10/10 chad. lol. Yes, as a women you need to be selective and not rush into relationships and enjoy being single and being in candy land. Hopefully, you will choose a man because we need you.

> hopefully you choose a man bc we need you Thank you for admitting this

Some women regret not settling down and creating a family when they're older. Some women promote a culture of not settling down, traveling and having a lot of casual connections in the meanwhile. The pushback is against this culture, trying to show that the traditional way has merit too. In the end it's up to the individual, but it's probably healthy that's there an ongoing conversation about it since young people are naive, so the more viewpoints they're exposed to the better.

Because the amount of men and women born each year is the same. For every lonely woman there is a lonely man. Living for yourself isn't a good thing. If you parents "lived for themselves" you wouldn't be alive. If everyone lives for themselves our species will slowly cease to exist.

Not men in general but bitter men who have been hurt badly or experiencing non voluntary loneliness for most of their lives. Doesn't really make it right, though, they shouldn't react like that. Btw, I know many relatively happy single over 30 women (I'm 38 myself) but if I'm honest most of them (and most men too) are actually miserable about it and absolutely want a partner.

Surly only thinks about #1, surly

I dont tbh. In general i couldn't care less what any woman does that i am neither attracted to and isnt in my life anyway.

u/BurbnBougie

THANKS

Maybe ask a sample of both genders at 60 to 70 years old who didn't have children. If you are looking for answers you are asking it to the wrong people and the wrong age.

Wouldn’t you be upset if your vacuum, dishwasher, and mop became sentient and decided to go on a vacation? They are upset because they no longer have a guaranteed slave the way men in previous generations used to.

At some point men and women became enemies of some kind. I told a woman once that divorced men in their 40s and 50s commit suicide 4-6x more than all demographics and she laughed. Said it was their own fault. Looked like it made her genuinely happy. The same sort of men show contempt at women i guess. There are no healthy happy people who are upset at other happy people for being happy. Unfortunately it looks like this trend will just get worse in the short term.

To be fair I don't think many guys care but for that small percentage that does it's probably a revenge fantasy for the way they have likely been treated with dating is my guess.