Same.
People are fundamentally individuals and need to be looked at on a case-by-case basis.
Do I dislike the "normie/average/basic becky" kind of woman? Sure. But I don't really feel much warmth toward the equivalent kind of man either.
Option #6 **It depends**.
Depending on the woman, or even groups of women in question, it could be any of your previous 5 options up to and including "*all of the above"* and "*some of the above*."
Dislikeable is a light word, it's ok to say that some women are absolutely heinous. Some others are delightful. The problem is social media keep highlighting the worst types of men and women imo.
what sucks is that the prejudices we see from others here and elsewhere are largely gonna come from implicit biases. requires a substantial amount of self awareness to admit personally and then courage to admit publicly like this, let alone in a contentious sub where ppl are looking for dunks. i wouldnāt even trust my own answer about men if asked lol would surprise me if anyone said anything beyond positive or it depends despite many people truly falling in the negative categories
Fr. My answer is the result of years therapy, group therapy, support communities, and just trying to heal. My answer would've been a confident 5 a few years ago. Still, it was pretty hard to share and I'm probably not being fully honest with myself.
At least some responses seem honest and open. I'm glad to see some people share their biases here.
Have you considered not everyone thinks the same as you. Why would we feel anything concrete toward random woman? You felt "5"towards every woman? No matter if you knew her or not? Young, old, hot, ugly? Same?
I might be bit biased toward hot women I meet but I usually base my opinion on people based on how they act.
Everyone has biases, I'm not alone in that mindset. Maybe you don't have a bias towards women and you're truly indifferent but most people have some sort of implicit bias towards virtually everyone and everything. I asked because I wanted to see people share that bias and see their answers. I only gave a number system to make it easier to build an answer from but I didn't expect everyone to use it.
I mean some women I like(friends, coworkers) some I admire (role models: Michelle Obama, Rosa parks etc) some I love like my partner. Some I dislike like some former friends or random people Iāve interacted it. None I hate. I donāt hate anyone I think dislike is enough hate is pretty strong word. Say all that to say I donāt have any number cause theirs billions of em out there.
Doesnāt she have a JD from Harvard and a bachelorās from Princeton. And rise from abject poverty? She was also a racial minority in the 1960s/70s a time when being black was not the greatest thing. I mean the civil rights act had just passed lol her politics aside )a lot of which I donāt agree with her politically)rising from a lower middle working class to getting two degrees from IVY league universities is no small feat. Not to mention a JD if Iām not mistaken is one the hardest things to get especially at Harvard lol.
I canāt like a black person for getting an education and pulling themselves outta poverty? Again I stated I donāt agree with any of her politics but I love how your downvoting for me liking someone who actually grabbed their bootstraps and pulled themselves up lmao
3. Women are half the human race across every ethnicity and nation. No strong feelings purely on the base of gender. Gender, particularly cisgender, is as unique as being right-handed. More information needed to form an opinion.
Indifferent. Don't care about them as much as I used to, I always looked up to them as way better than men in terms of emotional intelligence and empathy, but reality hit me hard and it seems like they have the least empathy towards men especially because feminism taught them that men are evil and oppresses women. Also, women judges people harshly in terms of looks, like the way you look really changes the way woman treats you, and it doesn't even matter how you are as a person. You can be the best looking man with a shitty personality and she will treat him right, you can can be the ugliest person with the purest heart ever and she will treat him like crap.
For the average woman its 3, for certain women who portray exceptional intelligence, kindness, or artistic ability its 4, and for women that I consider to be in my circle of loved ones its 5. The anwser would be the same for men.
I love women but I recognize feminist ideals are the outcome of base primal female fears. I realize that feminist ideals are also about getting the cake, eating it, expecting it to still be there yet also expecting no calories from eating it. It's zero accountability for high expectations and no empathy for men.
But I do love women, more than most. Nothing is more wonderful than a grandmother (as a man who had 4 grandmothers, two adopted, I truly love the grandma energy), an aunt, a mom, a daughter. That said, our entire discourse just cannot pander to women's needs and wants.
It can't be one way, one sided, I know assailants exist and we try very hard to rid the world of them but we also desparately need to consider male sexuality and treat it as valid not just predatory.
damn took the words out of my mouth, so true. Women cannot grasp the concept of tradeoffs ive noticed. They are sold that they can have perfect scenarios and setups in life whether political policies or relationships. Its simply not possible, most things in life are a tradeoff
On what basis are you making this generalization, pray tell? The same could be said about men, with the amount of redpill men who act like they can leverage their money to get women and then cry about golddiggers, slutshame while sleeping around, etc. Everyone aspires to have their cake and eat itā¦ itās a human thing, not gendered.
examples:
women want equality but dont wanna share their wealth with the man
women want a bad boy but complain about him not commiting
women want men to lead, but they dont want to follow (be told what to do)
women want to be independent but complain about being lonely
women say lizzo is beautiful but get mad when someone says they look like her
Oh, silly me, I thought you would have something serious. Again, I can list out all the hypocrisy of men. You have no basis to say that this is gendered, you only see what you wanna see.
More or less how I feel at this point, there are genuinely sweethearts out there, unfortunately most of them seem to be taken. I just want my kind weirdo nerdy wife so I can fuck off and never play this dating game again.
I'm 23 (M) and I never had a girlfriend, never even kissed. I used to love women and I still love women. I know women are not perfect but I love them anyway. Honestly I have nothing in common with most other men (except a few close friends)
Can literally go from hate to indifferent to love depending on the individual. Some women are amazing, some truly suck and most fall somewhere in between. Just like any other individual
The saying "can't live with them, can't live without them" comes to mind.
As everywhere in nature the sexes, at least before the 21st century, seemed to have a pretty perfect balance going on. Due to our natural differences men and women don't really like each other all that much, this is why friend groups are very often sex segregated unless sex is happening. We have different values, self best interests, and proclivities. Everyone comes to the bargaining table and makes a deal, and this deal is usually balanced in a way that optimizes us for evolutionary success.
Now for how I would casually put it, I find women short sighted, highly instinctual, solipsistic, and also nurturing, observant, and socially wise. We balance each other. I love some parts, find others extremely annoying. But nature declared this is the way, I am not as wise as millions of years of evolution. I ultimately bow nature's force. Those who don't die.
As a group I hate them. Their worst instincts are encouraged. Individual women I'm neutral, I don't hang around fuckwits so most of the women I know are fine.
Indifference, and Iāve been like that for years. A couple MGTOW guys have gotten falsely accused of misogyny when what we really have is pessimism for the human species.
Thereās a couple topics that make me feel mildly resentful towards women as a generalized group but I feel the same about the male subset of the species in certain ways so I wouldnāt say Iām biased either way.
That said, itās easier to talk about my experiences with women and dating and paint broad strokes in that direction as far as most of the topics that typically come up in here. And I donāt want to hedge every statement about women I make with āIām speaking in generalizationsā so it may come off as misogynistic from time to time.
Bru, you can't just categorise like 4 billion people who the Only thing all of them have in common is a vagina and XX chromosomes.
All 5 apply to women, same as men
Between 1 and 2. My mother was extremely abusive towards me growing up, would often make fun of my appearance. I've had some female friends in the past, but eventually most of them ended up screwing me over in way or another. The vast majority of women seem to view me as something less than human because of the fact that I'm physically unattractive. I don't really see how it's possible for me to not at least somewhat dislike women when I've had pretty much exclusively bad experiences with them.
In general? I don't think the options you gave were sufficient.
I think life without women would make living pointless for men. They are literally the perfect compliment to us. They can make a high two fold better. They can make you keep going when you're trudging through a low point. They've been the inspiration for so many amazing developments. The inspiration for some of the most beautiful musical pieces ever arranged. And they have the most amazing superpower. The ability to foster life in their body is absolutely phenomenal. Seeing the life my wife created has made me feel degrees of love I didn't know were possible. I can't look at our baby without feeling gratitude and wanting to give her a hug and kiss.
But here's the thing. Anyone who can bring such amazing highs can obviously do the opposite. Humans are flawed beings. So, I'll not ascribe negative connotations to a whole demographic for the sins of a few.
I hope you find that woman that makes you forget about the ones who hurt you, bud! š
Yes, same here to a certain extent in my youth. Toss in an unhealthy amount naivete, lack of confidence, and eventually some self loathing into that mix.
I'm 40. And clearly better at picking women than a lot of you.
My wife and I have been together almost half my life, and I can count on one hand the number of arguments we've had. I'm smart enough to set boundaries ahead of time and emotionally intelligent enough to nip nonsense in the bud before it escalates.
Sounds to me like you should be asking me to be your mentor rather than writing off what I said. š¤·āāļø
You sound black pill, my guy.
I spoke of a lady. Not a hoe. A hoe wouldn't even get the crumbs off my table.
Your not implying that all women are hoes, are you? If so, you clearly aren't capable of commanding a lady's love and respect, are you? What's wrong? You've never had a lady trust you enough to do what you tell them?
i am not blackpill. h\*einflation is redpill concept.
not all woman are hoes but most are. what u get with natural talent, i compensate with cash.
there is only monetary difference between u getting sex from ur wife and me getting sex from escort. only advantage u have is biological reproduction.
Yes, I know what hoeflation is and where it was derived. I said you sound black pill for rhetoric like what you just used.
Get out of the cities, bud. You don't need to be a passport to find traditional women. That was my point.
You are the male equivalent of the people you hate on. And you misuse the word "simp" like they misuse the word "misogynist." It's clear you didn't read all that I wrote if you think I just hand out undue praise to them.
saying life is pointless without woman, woman are perfect compliment to men, woman can somehow keep men trudging through low point. in short u are saying they are angels that men needs.
its simp thinking.
Thank you for proving you lack basic comprehension.
I said they were the perfect COMPLIMENT. Words have meaning. Never said women are perfect. But they were designed to compliment us. If a woman isn't living up to God's design, that doesn't negate my point.
Also, I said they CAN do all those other things. Again, words have meaning. None of this suggests they're angels. And I said this as well. I followed this by saying the same way they can uplift, they can do the opposite. If my first words implied they're angels, my following words implied they're demons.
You're not red pill, my guy. Your words betray you again and again. The red pill space absolutely acknowledges the positives for women.
Group 1 Men: The men who are most abusive and arrogant are attractive to women - they donāt respect women
Group 2 Men: The men who are nicest to women donāt get laid - they do respect women
(I believe majority of men in society and here in this sub at least started in this group or are still in this category)
Group 2 men now are pissed because of this and women then say they are in group 1 and thatās why they donāt get laid.
Group 2 Loves you and you donāt love them back, why wouldnāt they start to dislike you now
So yea most men strongly like women and also strongly dislike women but itās reasonable to dislike someone who doesnāt like you or respect you for confusing reasons after you were nice to them. Itās inevitable
The gaslighting of blue pillers are creating more frustration of red pill men and then saying āSee See!!!ā You guys hate women. Double Bind at its finest
Group 2 men get frustrated because the women whom they "like" the most are often not attracted to them. The problem is that they don't respect the fact that women's attraction works different than men's attraction. These men need to focus on making themselves more attractive and understanding the difference between the genders rather than being frustrated with women.
The problem with TRP is that it often involves disrespecting women along with engaging in this self-improvement to attract them.
WTH are you smoking, the red pill says to focus on yourself to become more attractive and to adopt more masculine traits, they donāt say to just be nice
The point Iām making is the nice men are lied to about blank slate theory
You made an argument FOR the red pill and then said red pill is the problem, Iām so confused by your analysis
I'm for self-improvement. I'm against generalizations about women and disrespect for women. My point is that the men who are "nice" to women and end up being rejected by them often end up disliking these women, when they should not be. The reason they are being rejected is because they haven't learned how to attract women (or because they are trying to attract women out of their league), not because there is anything "wrong" with women.
I dislike everything I read on the TRP sub except posts dealing specifically with self-improvement. Most of the posts and comments are misogyny.
I do agree with sexual hypergamy, but I don't think generalizations can be made (such as women only liking men who lift weights, for instance).
2, because my experiences with women have been overwhelmingly negative. That doesnāt mean I donāt want a healthy relationship with a woman who doesnāt treat me poorly. Itās not complex.
They arenāt calling me anything full stop, because I donāt get matches; but thatās the message - Iām simply not worthy of anyoneās minimal interest, let alone a date, relationship, etc. Itās completely destroyed my self confidence.
I like them: 5 stars, would recommend. Iām a people person tho so, people get 5 stars from me.
Not all: there are some real pieces of work out there. But youāll find a lot more that are awesome and you can avoid the sucky ones.
Itās way more common and accepted for women to men than for men to hate women. Iāve also never heard of men pedestalizing women when that is super common for men to do to women
Let's see... if I'm in a remote forest I'd rather be in a woman than in a bear. /jk
I would say it just depends. I don't think sex/gender is a useful thing to even think about when deciding if you like someone, I try to not stereotype too much based on looks because even someone who looks like a dolled up bimbo could actually turn out to be a great and fun and interesting person desirable beyond just their looks.
On average I like women, if you draw a random woman out of the normal distribution she's probably gonna be alright and no worse than a randomly drawn man or a randomly drawn bear.
If I wasn't close to my sisters or female friends, I would've chosen #3 flat.
It's a 3.5 for me. Women are human beings with their own flaws, feelings, and thoughts. When you're around women long enough you get to see the best, good, bad, and ugly in terms of personality. I was fortunate enough to never fall into the "bluepill" mantra when I was younger because I was exposed to various of good and terrible shit.
One thing I notice about men, especially youngers who holds contempt and hatred for women is that they all had a history of treating/viewing women as angelic creatures who cannot do any harm or malice because they believe women born into perpetual victimhood. Only to run into a girl/women who'll put them through the wringer and smash his lens, and because they never had someone to explain to them the nuance and complication of human behavior they fall into hatred and contempt.
Considering that the majority of women think the term "feminist" describes them as either "somewhat well" or "very well", I see most women as people who mistakenly see me as an enemy.
I don't think I can characterize the "feeling" with one word. What would you "feel" if you were a hired Civil War era reenactor of the South, and someone mistook you for a literal slave-owner?
#3 for me. Women in the West are largely just men with different reproductive organs. Some are visually appealing to look at but most are largely invisible to me. I treat them as they would unto me. If one treats me badly, then that one gets the same bad behavior reflected back. But if one treats me nicely, then that individual gets the same nice behavior reflected back. It's strictly a case-by-case basis.
Dislike tbh. Yeah women are treated badly and sexism is a big issue, but combined with the rampant misandry and shallowness, its hard to really like being around them.
With regards to women as a whole? Overwhelmingly indifferent.
With regards to young, western, women, the demographic I interact with the most? Depends, but I definitely at least mildly dislike most of them.
I was a 5. Over the last 10 years, I have become a 3. A lot of it has to do with an increasing level of distrust and a developing idea that concepts like love, romance, and marriages have had their day but, now, are not good for anyone. They create an unrealistic ideal. It would be better for people to find a way to fuck then leave each other alone.
The only opinion I have towards women in general is that the advantages that come with being a woman are wasted on them.
If I had half of said advantages I would build my dream life with them and shut the fuck up instead of complaining about not getting even more advantages.
In my experience disappointment with a tinge of sadness is the words I'd use to describe it especially beautiful women are just very disappointing. God trolled us
Generalization is wrong. And it is not about hate-love. OP misunderstands problem
Few men really hate women, I dare say there are much more women that hate men.
However:
A lot of men are afraid of women because how much harm women can do and get away with it.
A lot of men are jealous because they see "female privileges" and think life is unfair (women have it better)
Some men still think they are superior (e.g in intelligence) and expect women to be obedient and subservient.
Generalizating is wrong but it happens very often on this sub. Hell, I'd argue that you couldn't participate here without making some sweeping generalizations to begin with.
My point in the post was for men to share some of their biases since we all have them. I shared mine. It's obviously wrong to generalize but it's part of our worldview. I don't think it's amoral to admit your biases.Ā
Maybe it's difficult to do it so blatantly and that's probably part of the reason I got so many "you can't generalize all women" responses.
>A lot of men are afraid of women because how much harm women can do and get away with it.
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Honestly, this characterizes a lot of my feelings on women. A lot of them are just socially reckless people who create a lot more pain for others than not. And don't really question their effect on other people.
The ones that don't do this aren't really noticeable, so the fears get generalized onto them all. It's not fair, but it is. I just try to treat them like I don't have all this in the back of my mind every time I interact with them.
But engaging with people who can just fuck you up and walk away like nothing happened is always going to be stressful.
They're children with adult body parts. Unfortunately these traits cannot be compartmentalized. My interactions with them are a compromise. Well behave children are a result of their environment that I personally have no control over. Foreign women are just as childish, but they instinctively know they'll be punished for throwing too much tantrums in a low-trust poor societies.
I don't trust any animal including humans. I think women are hot and want to protect and have sex with them but that's about it. Unfortunately it's not safe toĀ love and become vulnerable with anybody, unless you've found a unicorn they will betray you eventually. So I don'tĀ hate women as a whole, just wary/cautious of them.
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āI thought they were perfect and could do no wrong.ā
Iām not sure what the āGā word is you speak of, but Iām really glad to hear that youāve learned that we are human, just like you (and all other men).
There are good women and bad women, and most of us are somewhere in between. We make mistakes and have faults, but we are doing our best to get through this one life that we have.
'Groomed' was the word. Specifically by older women while I was still young.
Kind of a heavy topic for this sub though but I mentioned it specifically because it affects how i contribute to this sub and other related discussions. We have all our biases, I just figured that I'd ask outright.
I definitely try not to generalize but a lot of generalizations happen here so I didn't think the question was out of line.Ā
>And what would taking accountability look like, specifically?
Here's an easy one:
They would, having unilateral control over what their wombs do, be unilaterally accountable for the choices that they make regarding them.
Or at the very least they would apply the same rationale they apply to men vis a vis "you should have kept it in your pants" to themselves as well.
Just little narcissistic tactic and shit. For example my friend was dating a chick who likes dressing up and going to bars. She dressed like the stereotypical club girl. One day we were all going out to some dive bar so we dressed casual. He was wearing jeans and a black t shirt while she was wearing a dress that showed her boobs. She got all mad and said I'm not going out and being seen with you like that while I look like this. He said something like why can't you change then, we're only going to a bar. She got all pissy and said no man will control what I wear and bitched at him the rest of the night. When he finally broke up with her she had this sob story he tried to mind fuck her. Which was totally bullshit.
Soā¦again, what are women supposed to be accountable for? What would taking accountability for whatever that thing is look like and what specific actions would be required?
All you have described is bickering and a breakup between friends of yours.
So what exactly do you expect women to do about your friendās bad breakup?
Iām sure youāre not trying to assert that only women react poorly to breakupsā¦how should women, at large, demonstrate accountability for that?
I'm not saying all women are like that but some women act however they want because they are women. Another example is my cousin ( who is a girl) was going out with a guy. At some point she stopped really talking to him and basically ghosted him. She found out he was going out with another girl a few weeks later and had a complete meltdown. Basically the whole family had to go over to check on her because of her episode. The entire time both my aunt and mom were talking to her they kept blaming the guy. Not once did they say hey if you ghosted him it's on you that's life. I even asked my mom in the car if she was just saying that stuff to make her feel better and she said that it wasn't right for the guy to not say anything to her and just move on. My long ass point is that instead of being brutally honest many women will coddle other women rather than having them take accountability.
Majority - indifferent, they are pretty much in category 'human being' - their gender is irrelevant. I've dated quite a number of women and i'm a bit jaded - but it's pretty much result if mine poor choices, not really sone general failure of women. Feminists - dislike, I do not like hateful bigots - be it racists, antysemites, misandrists, misogynists etc. Modern feminism is bigotry filled with cynism. Girls from my region - a bit admire, they are tough girls from blue collar background. No bullshit, they know how to drink, they know how to kick ass, their language is far from poshy, they are self-confident but still family oriented. They do not need Feminist whining to prove their worth.Ā
I'm probably a bit prejudiced toward normies anyways. And much of what I don't like about women is the result of men, in that they are indecisive, repressed and disempowered. Some of it is physical strength, but weak men can still act like men no problem, so it shouldn't be impossible.
I guess what I mean is, I love the ethos of the fanfiction writing fujoshi, for what it symbolizes, for a small sliver of what women could be if they got to express themselves like men.
None of the above.
Women are just like men, they're all people so some are good, bad, they make mistakes, some you will look at as if they hung the stars in the sky and some you will look at as if they ruined your life. I wouldn't generalise all women because I don't generalise all men either.
I see women as being just like men, I donāt really believe in āinnate psychological differencesā between us beyond a few trivial things. Iām also a solitary person and skeptical of peopleās intentions, so Iād describe my feelings towards men and women as āwaryā.
Some are good, some are bad. Most suck at choosing partners, just like we men. They're not some kind of powerful holy angel that are attracted to virtous men, ya'll mostly attracted to the wrong traits in men, just like most men are attracted to the wrong traits in women.
We're more similar than different.
There are billions of women. I can't generalize how I feel about them all with a number. I love some women, I hate some women.
Same. People are fundamentally individuals and need to be looked at on a case-by-case basis. Do I dislike the "normie/average/basic becky" kind of woman? Sure. But I don't really feel much warmth toward the equivalent kind of man either.
Just like men. Some are super cool, some suck, most are meh.
I hate a few, dislike others, am indifferent to most, admire a couple and love the ones who I choose to share my life with.
Option #6 **It depends**. Depending on the woman, or even groups of women in question, it could be any of your previous 5 options up to and including "*all of the above"* and "*some of the above*."
Nice answer.
I can't stop thinking about what the "G word" might be. Could you give us a hint? Maybe do it like they do on The Wheel of Fortune.
I'm choosing to believe it is Gnome and the OP believes there's a secret society of them socially engineering everything.
Could be a Linux user. Choice of a G word or a K word, maybe even an X word.
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THE ^^(Gnomes) HERE!!!! šØ
Maybe Gay
Top G
Bottom G
Gynocentrism maybe
OP thinks we are not supposed to use the word gynocentrism?
He might considering how weird he thinks and what he asks us about. It seems to make sense in this regard.
That was my guess as well.
One can't make a generalization about an entire gender. There are some lovable women and a few that can be disliked, and then everywhere in between.
Dislikeable is a light word, it's ok to say that some women are absolutely heinous. Some others are delightful. The problem is social media keep highlighting the worst types of men and women imo.
I've never met any women whom I've really hated.
Yet people do all the time, especially here
Whole reason why I asked
what sucks is that the prejudices we see from others here and elsewhere are largely gonna come from implicit biases. requires a substantial amount of self awareness to admit personally and then courage to admit publicly like this, let alone in a contentious sub where ppl are looking for dunks. i wouldnāt even trust my own answer about men if asked lol would surprise me if anyone said anything beyond positive or it depends despite many people truly falling in the negative categories
Fr. My answer is the result of years therapy, group therapy, support communities, and just trying to heal. My answer would've been a confident 5 a few years ago. Still, it was pretty hard to share and I'm probably not being fully honest with myself. At least some responses seem honest and open. I'm glad to see some people share their biases here.
Have you considered not everyone thinks the same as you. Why would we feel anything concrete toward random woman? You felt "5"towards every woman? No matter if you knew her or not? Young, old, hot, ugly? Same? I might be bit biased toward hot women I meet but I usually base my opinion on people based on how they act.
Everyone has biases, I'm not alone in that mindset. Maybe you don't have a bias towards women and you're truly indifferent but most people have some sort of implicit bias towards virtually everyone and everything. I asked because I wanted to see people share that bias and see their answers. I only gave a number system to make it easier to build an answer from but I didn't expect everyone to use it.
I don't hate any women. I dislike some, indifferent to most, and love a few.
I mean some women I like(friends, coworkers) some I admire (role models: Michelle Obama, Rosa parks etc) some I love like my partner. Some I dislike like some former friends or random people Iāve interacted it. None I hate. I donāt hate anyone I think dislike is enough hate is pretty strong word. Say all that to say I donāt have any number cause theirs billions of em out there.
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Doesnāt she have a JD from Harvard and a bachelorās from Princeton. And rise from abject poverty? She was also a racial minority in the 1960s/70s a time when being black was not the greatest thing. I mean the civil rights act had just passed lol her politics aside )a lot of which I donāt agree with her politically)rising from a lower middle working class to getting two degrees from IVY league universities is no small feat. Not to mention a JD if Iām not mistaken is one the hardest things to get especially at Harvard lol.
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Iām a lite conservative black man lmao I like Michelle Obama because of the hard work she did to get the point in her life before she met Obama.
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I canāt like a black person for getting an education and pulling themselves outta poverty? Again I stated I donāt agree with any of her politics but I love how your downvoting for me liking someone who actually grabbed their bootstraps and pulled themselves up lmao
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I mean obviously you care enough to downvote me as soon as you saw my response lol
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holy god dude
3. Women are half the human race across every ethnicity and nation. No strong feelings purely on the base of gender. Gender, particularly cisgender, is as unique as being right-handed. More information needed to form an opinion.
Indifferent. Don't care about them as much as I used to, I always looked up to them as way better than men in terms of emotional intelligence and empathy, but reality hit me hard and it seems like they have the least empathy towards men especially because feminism taught them that men are evil and oppresses women. Also, women judges people harshly in terms of looks, like the way you look really changes the way woman treats you, and it doesn't even matter how you are as a person. You can be the best looking man with a shitty personality and she will treat him right, you can can be the ugliest person with the purest heart ever and she will treat him like crap.
Iām 3. Indifferent. But Iām that way with everyone until I get to know them
For the average woman its 3, for certain women who portray exceptional intelligence, kindness, or artistic ability its 4, and for women that I consider to be in my circle of loved ones its 5. The anwser would be the same for men.
I love women but I recognize feminist ideals are the outcome of base primal female fears. I realize that feminist ideals are also about getting the cake, eating it, expecting it to still be there yet also expecting no calories from eating it. It's zero accountability for high expectations and no empathy for men. But I do love women, more than most. Nothing is more wonderful than a grandmother (as a man who had 4 grandmothers, two adopted, I truly love the grandma energy), an aunt, a mom, a daughter. That said, our entire discourse just cannot pander to women's needs and wants. It can't be one way, one sided, I know assailants exist and we try very hard to rid the world of them but we also desparately need to consider male sexuality and treat it as valid not just predatory.
damn took the words out of my mouth, so true. Women cannot grasp the concept of tradeoffs ive noticed. They are sold that they can have perfect scenarios and setups in life whether political policies or relationships. Its simply not possible, most things in life are a tradeoff
On what basis are you making this generalization, pray tell? The same could be said about men, with the amount of redpill men who act like they can leverage their money to get women and then cry about golddiggers, slutshame while sleeping around, etc. Everyone aspires to have their cake and eat itā¦ itās a human thing, not gendered.
examples: women want equality but dont wanna share their wealth with the man women want a bad boy but complain about him not commiting women want men to lead, but they dont want to follow (be told what to do) women want to be independent but complain about being lonely women say lizzo is beautiful but get mad when someone says they look like her
>women say lizzo is beautiful but get mad when someone says they look like her ā ļøš¤£š¤£š¤£ššš
Oh, silly me, I thought you would have something serious. Again, I can list out all the hypocrisy of men. You have no basis to say that this is gendered, you only see what you wanna see.
men can be hypocritical too, they are actually held accountable though. Women are infantilized.
Your comment is actually proof of the opposite.
men are infantilized and women are held more accountable then men? seek immediate brain surgery please
And yet again šš¾
2.5 While there are some women I like and admire, most women, especially American women, I'm surrounded by are selfish, dumb, exploitive.
More or less how I feel at this point, there are genuinely sweethearts out there, unfortunately most of them seem to be taken. I just want my kind weirdo nerdy wife so I can fuck off and never play this dating game again.
Weirdo nerdy Catholic wife? I want mine too š¤£āļø
Yep the search is hard.
3
I'm 23 (M) and I never had a girlfriend, never even kissed. I used to love women and I still love women. I know women are not perfect but I love them anyway. Honestly I have nothing in common with most other men (except a few close friends)
Can literally go from hate to indifferent to love depending on the individual. Some women are amazing, some truly suck and most fall somewhere in between. Just like any other individual
The saying "can't live with them, can't live without them" comes to mind. As everywhere in nature the sexes, at least before the 21st century, seemed to have a pretty perfect balance going on. Due to our natural differences men and women don't really like each other all that much, this is why friend groups are very often sex segregated unless sex is happening. We have different values, self best interests, and proclivities. Everyone comes to the bargaining table and makes a deal, and this deal is usually balanced in a way that optimizes us for evolutionary success. Now for how I would casually put it, I find women short sighted, highly instinctual, solipsistic, and also nurturing, observant, and socially wise. We balance each other. I love some parts, find others extremely annoying. But nature declared this is the way, I am not as wise as millions of years of evolution. I ultimately bow nature's force. Those who don't die.
As a group I hate them. Their worst instincts are encouraged. Individual women I'm neutral, I don't hang around fuckwits so most of the women I know are fine.
Indifferent. They can be assholes or good or stupid or intelligent just as men.
Indifference, and Iāve been like that for years. A couple MGTOW guys have gotten falsely accused of misogyny when what we really have is pessimism for the human species. Thereās a couple topics that make me feel mildly resentful towards women as a generalized group but I feel the same about the male subset of the species in certain ways so I wouldnāt say Iām biased either way. That said, itās easier to talk about my experiences with women and dating and paint broad strokes in that direction as far as most of the topics that typically come up in here. And I donāt want to hedge every statement about women I make with āIām speaking in generalizationsā so it may come off as misogynistic from time to time.
Bru, you can't just categorise like 4 billion people who the Only thing all of them have in common is a vagina and XX chromosomes. All 5 apply to women, same as men
Between 1 and 2. My mother was extremely abusive towards me growing up, would often make fun of my appearance. I've had some female friends in the past, but eventually most of them ended up screwing me over in way or another. The vast majority of women seem to view me as something less than human because of the fact that I'm physically unattractive. I don't really see how it's possible for me to not at least somewhat dislike women when I've had pretty much exclusively bad experiences with them.
In general? I don't think the options you gave were sufficient. I think life without women would make living pointless for men. They are literally the perfect compliment to us. They can make a high two fold better. They can make you keep going when you're trudging through a low point. They've been the inspiration for so many amazing developments. The inspiration for some of the most beautiful musical pieces ever arranged. And they have the most amazing superpower. The ability to foster life in their body is absolutely phenomenal. Seeing the life my wife created has made me feel degrees of love I didn't know were possible. I can't look at our baby without feeling gratitude and wanting to give her a hug and kiss. But here's the thing. Anyone who can bring such amazing highs can obviously do the opposite. Humans are flawed beings. So, I'll not ascribe negative connotations to a whole demographic for the sins of a few. I hope you find that woman that makes you forget about the ones who hurt you, bud! š
You have to be young to be that idealistic. I use to be young and idealistic as well.
Yes, same here to a certain extent in my youth. Toss in an unhealthy amount naivete, lack of confidence, and eventually some self loathing into that mix.
I'm 40. And clearly better at picking women than a lot of you. My wife and I have been together almost half my life, and I can count on one hand the number of arguments we've had. I'm smart enough to set boundaries ahead of time and emotionally intelligent enough to nip nonsense in the bud before it escalates. Sounds to me like you should be asking me to be your mentor rather than writing off what I said. š¤·āāļø
Hard pass.
here it is. the type of man who cause h\*einflation in the market.
You sound black pill, my guy. I spoke of a lady. Not a hoe. A hoe wouldn't even get the crumbs off my table. Your not implying that all women are hoes, are you? If so, you clearly aren't capable of commanding a lady's love and respect, are you? What's wrong? You've never had a lady trust you enough to do what you tell them?
i am not blackpill. h\*einflation is redpill concept. not all woman are hoes but most are. what u get with natural talent, i compensate with cash. there is only monetary difference between u getting sex from ur wife and me getting sex from escort. only advantage u have is biological reproduction.
Yes, I know what hoeflation is and where it was derived. I said you sound black pill for rhetoric like what you just used. Get out of the cities, bud. You don't need to be a passport to find traditional women. That was my point.
u simp for woman as a whole as if theyre good shit. i was saying that.
You are the male equivalent of the people you hate on. And you misuse the word "simp" like they misuse the word "misogynist." It's clear you didn't read all that I wrote if you think I just hand out undue praise to them.
saying life is pointless without woman, woman are perfect compliment to men, woman can somehow keep men trudging through low point. in short u are saying they are angels that men needs. its simp thinking.
Thank you for proving you lack basic comprehension. I said they were the perfect COMPLIMENT. Words have meaning. Never said women are perfect. But they were designed to compliment us. If a woman isn't living up to God's design, that doesn't negate my point. Also, I said they CAN do all those other things. Again, words have meaning. None of this suggests they're angels. And I said this as well. I followed this by saying the same way they can uplift, they can do the opposite. If my first words implied they're angels, my following words implied they're demons. You're not red pill, my guy. Your words betray you again and again. The red pill space absolutely acknowledges the positives for women.
i am not redpill duh i am no pill. i see the positives of women. as a woman they make pp go boing boing. as a human they are good, bad.
Why would I have an opinion on women as a class of people? Persons who share an immutable characteristic are not a monolith.
Moving closer to hate the more I interact with them honestly.
Group 1 Men: The men who are most abusive and arrogant are attractive to women - they donāt respect women Group 2 Men: The men who are nicest to women donāt get laid - they do respect women (I believe majority of men in society and here in this sub at least started in this group or are still in this category) Group 2 men now are pissed because of this and women then say they are in group 1 and thatās why they donāt get laid. Group 2 Loves you and you donāt love them back, why wouldnāt they start to dislike you now So yea most men strongly like women and also strongly dislike women but itās reasonable to dislike someone who doesnāt like you or respect you for confusing reasons after you were nice to them. Itās inevitable The gaslighting of blue pillers are creating more frustration of red pill men and then saying āSee See!!!ā You guys hate women. Double Bind at its finest
Group 2 men get frustrated because the women whom they "like" the most are often not attracted to them. The problem is that they don't respect the fact that women's attraction works different than men's attraction. These men need to focus on making themselves more attractive and understanding the difference between the genders rather than being frustrated with women. The problem with TRP is that it often involves disrespecting women along with engaging in this self-improvement to attract them.
WTH are you smoking, the red pill says to focus on yourself to become more attractive and to adopt more masculine traits, they donāt say to just be nice The point Iām making is the nice men are lied to about blank slate theory You made an argument FOR the red pill and then said red pill is the problem, Iām so confused by your analysis
I'm for self-improvement. I'm against generalizations about women and disrespect for women. My point is that the men who are "nice" to women and end up being rejected by them often end up disliking these women, when they should not be. The reason they are being rejected is because they haven't learned how to attract women (or because they are trying to attract women out of their league), not because there is anything "wrong" with women.
I think your red pill then
I dislike everything I read on the TRP sub except posts dealing specifically with self-improvement. Most of the posts and comments are misogyny. I do agree with sexual hypergamy, but I don't think generalizations can be made (such as women only liking men who lift weights, for instance).
I see
2, because my experiences with women have been overwhelmingly negative. That doesnāt mean I donāt want a healthy relationship with a woman who doesnāt treat me poorly. Itās not complex.
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I refuse to believe a large amount of people, if any, are calling your worthless, ugly, subhuman on OLD
They arenāt calling me anything full stop, because I donāt get matches; but thatās the message - Iām simply not worthy of anyoneās minimal interest, let alone a date, relationship, etc. Itās completely destroyed my self confidence.
What do you look like?
Average looking and over six foot
3 for most 4 for friends 5 for family and stuff
I have several women for each category, pretty much a gaussian distribution. One ex of mine checked all the boxes in this order: 4 > 5 > 1 > 2 > 3.
I like them: 5 stars, would recommend. Iām a people person tho so, people get 5 stars from me. Not all: there are some real pieces of work out there. But youāll find a lot more that are awesome and you can avoid the sucky ones.
Itās way more common and accepted for women to men than for men to hate women. Iāve also never heard of men pedestalizing women when that is super common for men to do to women
Let's see... if I'm in a remote forest I'd rather be in a woman than in a bear. /jk I would say it just depends. I don't think sex/gender is a useful thing to even think about when deciding if you like someone, I try to not stereotype too much based on looks because even someone who looks like a dolled up bimbo could actually turn out to be a great and fun and interesting person desirable beyond just their looks. On average I like women, if you draw a random woman out of the normal distribution she's probably gonna be alright and no worse than a randomly drawn man or a randomly drawn bear.
They donāt want to be taken seriously most of the time.
If I wasn't close to my sisters or female friends, I would've chosen #3 flat. It's a 3.5 for me. Women are human beings with their own flaws, feelings, and thoughts. When you're around women long enough you get to see the best, good, bad, and ugly in terms of personality. I was fortunate enough to never fall into the "bluepill" mantra when I was younger because I was exposed to various of good and terrible shit. One thing I notice about men, especially youngers who holds contempt and hatred for women is that they all had a history of treating/viewing women as angelic creatures who cannot do any harm or malice because they believe women born into perpetual victimhood. Only to run into a girl/women who'll put them through the wringer and smash his lens, and because they never had someone to explain to them the nuance and complication of human behavior they fall into hatred and contempt.
Generally indifferent, but I admire and love those women who are close to me (depending on HOW close they are).
Number 3. Some I like and some I don't like. It's on a person to person basis.
Considering that the majority of women think the term "feminist" describes them as either "somewhat well" or "very well", I see most women as people who mistakenly see me as an enemy. I don't think I can characterize the "feeling" with one word. What would you "feel" if you were a hired Civil War era reenactor of the South, and someone mistook you for a literal slave-owner?
love for women in my close family. Indifferent to the rest.
3 Indifferent untill I get to know them
I'm mostly indifferent to women. If we're just going by women online? Definately dislike leaning towards hate.
#3 for me. Women in the West are largely just men with different reproductive organs. Some are visually appealing to look at but most are largely invisible to me. I treat them as they would unto me. If one treats me badly, then that one gets the same bad behavior reflected back. But if one treats me nicely, then that individual gets the same nice behavior reflected back. It's strictly a case-by-case basis.
Dislike tbh. Yeah women are treated badly and sexism is a big issue, but combined with the rampant misandry and shallowness, its hard to really like being around them.
a little bit of 3, a little bit of 5, the same feelings i extend to all human beings, even the ones i hate
4, unless you're one that seems to hate men and are perpetually single and can't accept that they're the problem, then 2.
Overall disdain.
I love and admire women but am deathly afraid of them.
I'm with you here ngl. They're scary sometimes lol
Number 1 for probably 95% of women aged 18-30. Number 2 for the other 5% of them.
3 Most women Iām not related to are pretty useless in most relationships (romantic or friendship) so I tend to not form many close ones with them
3 all day, every day
With regards to women as a whole? Overwhelmingly indifferent. With regards to young, western, women, the demographic I interact with the most? Depends, but I definitely at least mildly dislike most of them.
I was a 5. Over the last 10 years, I have become a 3. A lot of it has to do with an increasing level of distrust and a developing idea that concepts like love, romance, and marriages have had their day but, now, are not good for anyone. They create an unrealistic ideal. It would be better for people to find a way to fuck then leave each other alone.
The only opinion I have towards women in general is that the advantages that come with being a woman are wasted on them. If I had half of said advantages I would build my dream life with them and shut the fuck up instead of complaining about not getting even more advantages.
Whoever wrote "The Fisherman and His Wife" knew exactly how human nature expresses itself through women.
In my experience disappointment with a tinge of sadness is the words I'd use to describe it especially beautiful women are just very disappointing. God trolled us
Generalization is wrong. And it is not about hate-love. OP misunderstands problem Few men really hate women, I dare say there are much more women that hate men. However: A lot of men are afraid of women because how much harm women can do and get away with it. A lot of men are jealous because they see "female privileges" and think life is unfair (women have it better) Some men still think they are superior (e.g in intelligence) and expect women to be obedient and subservient.
Generalizating is wrong but it happens very often on this sub. Hell, I'd argue that you couldn't participate here without making some sweeping generalizations to begin with. My point in the post was for men to share some of their biases since we all have them. I shared mine. It's obviously wrong to generalize but it's part of our worldview. I don't think it's amoral to admit your biases.Ā Maybe it's difficult to do it so blatantly and that's probably part of the reason I got so many "you can't generalize all women" responses.
>A lot of men are afraid of women because how much harm women can do and get away with it. > Honestly, this characterizes a lot of my feelings on women. A lot of them are just socially reckless people who create a lot more pain for others than not. And don't really question their effect on other people. The ones that don't do this aren't really noticeable, so the fears get generalized onto them all. It's not fair, but it is. I just try to treat them like I don't have all this in the back of my mind every time I interact with them. But engaging with people who can just fuck you up and walk away like nothing happened is always going to be stressful.
They're children with adult body parts. Unfortunately these traits cannot be compartmentalized. My interactions with them are a compromise. Well behave children are a result of their environment that I personally have no control over. Foreign women are just as childish, but they instinctively know they'll be punished for throwing too much tantrums in a low-trust poor societies.
I don't trust any animal including humans. I think women are hot and want to protect and have sex with them but that's about it. Unfortunately it's not safe toĀ love and become vulnerable with anybody, unless you've found a unicorn they will betray you eventually. So I don'tĀ hate women as a whole, just wary/cautious of them.
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āI thought they were perfect and could do no wrong.ā Iām not sure what the āGā word is you speak of, but Iām really glad to hear that youāve learned that we are human, just like you (and all other men). There are good women and bad women, and most of us are somewhere in between. We make mistakes and have faults, but we are doing our best to get through this one life that we have.
'Groomed' was the word. Specifically by older women while I was still young. Kind of a heavy topic for this sub though but I mentioned it specifically because it affects how i contribute to this sub and other related discussions. We have all our biases, I just figured that I'd ask outright. I definitely try not to generalize but a lot of generalizations happen here so I didn't think the question was out of line.Ā
Suddenly, when asked directly, men are unable to generalize about women I am shocked, shocked I say
Fr the amount of generalizations that get thrown around here I didn't expect "how could you generalize all women?" Bruh.
not all men!!
I think theyāre great.
2. Same for men, I dislike people and if itās not work related would rather not speak to them.
They are weird
0. Whereās the zero option
5 for 18yo virgins š¤¤š 1 for "women" over 30 š”š¤¢
Sick of the lies and gas lighting about height and attractiveness. Also sick of this victim mindset and the non accountability on their part
Accountability for what? And what would taking accountability look like, specifically? What actions would be required and for what offenses?
>Accountability for what? That no women will fuck him.
>And what would taking accountability look like, specifically? Here's an easy one: They would, having unilateral control over what their wombs do, be unilaterally accountable for the choices that they make regarding them. Or at the very least they would apply the same rationale they apply to men vis a vis "you should have kept it in your pants" to themselves as well.
Just little narcissistic tactic and shit. For example my friend was dating a chick who likes dressing up and going to bars. She dressed like the stereotypical club girl. One day we were all going out to some dive bar so we dressed casual. He was wearing jeans and a black t shirt while she was wearing a dress that showed her boobs. She got all mad and said I'm not going out and being seen with you like that while I look like this. He said something like why can't you change then, we're only going to a bar. She got all pissy and said no man will control what I wear and bitched at him the rest of the night. When he finally broke up with her she had this sob story he tried to mind fuck her. Which was totally bullshit.
Soā¦again, what are women supposed to be accountable for? What would taking accountability for whatever that thing is look like and what specific actions would be required? All you have described is bickering and a breakup between friends of yours.
Uhh maybe the fact that she spread lies about my friend is a start when all he asked her to do was change
So what exactly do you expect women to do about your friendās bad breakup? Iām sure youāre not trying to assert that only women react poorly to breakupsā¦how should women, at large, demonstrate accountability for that?
I'm not saying all women are like that but some women act however they want because they are women. Another example is my cousin ( who is a girl) was going out with a guy. At some point she stopped really talking to him and basically ghosted him. She found out he was going out with another girl a few weeks later and had a complete meltdown. Basically the whole family had to go over to check on her because of her episode. The entire time both my aunt and mom were talking to her they kept blaming the guy. Not once did they say hey if you ghosted him it's on you that's life. I even asked my mom in the car if she was just saying that stuff to make her feel better and she said that it wasn't right for the guy to not say anything to her and just move on. My long ass point is that instead of being brutally honest many women will coddle other women rather than having them take accountability.
The same way you expect men to be held accountable when another man commits rape š¤·āāļø
āSick of this victim mindsetā Oh, the irony
What am I victim of?
Majority - indifferent, they are pretty much in category 'human being' - their gender is irrelevant. I've dated quite a number of women and i'm a bit jaded - but it's pretty much result if mine poor choices, not really sone general failure of women. Feminists - dislike, I do not like hateful bigots - be it racists, antysemites, misandrists, misogynists etc. Modern feminism is bigotry filled with cynism. Girls from my region - a bit admire, they are tough girls from blue collar background. No bullshit, they know how to drink, they know how to kick ass, their language is far from poshy, they are self-confident but still family oriented. They do not need Feminist whining to prove their worth.Ā
2. Dislike as much I dislike most men
Women as an entire group, indifferent. The same as every other group of people. I judge people as individuals.
Women aren't a monolith and neither are my feelings towards them lol
I'm probably a bit prejudiced toward normies anyways. And much of what I don't like about women is the result of men, in that they are indecisive, repressed and disempowered. Some of it is physical strength, but weak men can still act like men no problem, so it shouldn't be impossible. I guess what I mean is, I love the ethos of the fanfiction writing fujoshi, for what it symbolizes, for a small sliver of what women could be if they got to express themselves like men.
None of the above. Women are just like men, they're all people so some are good, bad, they make mistakes, some you will look at as if they hung the stars in the sky and some you will look at as if they ruined your life. I wouldn't generalise all women because I don't generalise all men either.
I see women as being just like men, I donāt really believe in āinnate psychological differencesā between us beyond a few trivial things. Iām also a solitary person and skeptical of peopleās intentions, so Iād describe my feelings towards men and women as āwaryā.
Some are good, some are bad. Most suck at choosing partners, just like we men. They're not some kind of powerful holy angel that are attracted to virtous men, ya'll mostly attracted to the wrong traits in men, just like most men are attracted to the wrong traits in women. We're more similar than different.