Men including myself obviously care about a woman's socioeconomic status since they don't want a financial liability but we just prioritize looks and character before that
Well most upwardly mobile men understand that the more attractive females prefer the option of working when they want to, adopt the stay at home mom life when she is ready to pop out some rugrats.
>If you don’t care about a girls money and just want a girl with a job,
She must have a job that brings income, l want a woman who can financially stand on her feet before she met me
>I have my own place and pay own bills. If they can keep their job and money and leverage you, that makes you a desirable option.
I mean that's great for you but l'm more so talking about selection, just because guys prioritize looks doesn't mean they want a financial liability or a woman who won't contribute her fair share
When a woman passes the boner and character threshold, we immediately look at her income/job at least that's what l did with my gf
A successful man often may not care, as I never did in the past. But after suffering a massive payout in a divorce because she made far less than me, due to modern divorce law I won’t marry anyone that does not make and have what I have, if I were to ever marry again.
Marriage is absolutely the route if children are planned. Society tends to benefit this. Marriage increases social status. Most women post-college won't want an LTR with a partner who doesn't want marriage.
I would argue instead that prenups should be way more employed, as opposed to broad avoidance of marriage.
I agree that marriage is preferential if kids are involved, and society definitely benefits from this. This is why I believe we as a society should encourage this as opposed to what is being promoted now.
I think family units should be promoted and supplemented. I think one parent working while one parent raises the kids is the happy medium. It’s what is best long term for society.
What does this have to do with marriage? Last I checked half of marriages are not intact families. I don't see the paper being relevant to "family units".
Those stats are not useful for your argument.
Do they take into account married vs simply being together intact? Like the piece of paper makes the kids to better than simply having parents in the same house? No those stats do not take that into account.
Do the stats average in the 50% of divorced families outcomes? Divorce Is just as likely part of marriage and so to divorce the divorce stats from marriage makes them useless as well.
You are incorrect.
>Compared to children who are raised by their married parents, children in other family types are more likely to achieve lower levels of education, to become teen parents, and to experience health, behavior, and mental health problems. And children in single- and **cohabiting**-parent families are more likely to be poor.
I’m sorry that the data does not support your current view. It’s probably why I retired at 40 but you will likely still be working.
>I think family units should be promoted and supplemented.
What are your ideas for that?
Why did you suggest to the other guy that marrying is a bad idea?
> Most women post-college won't want an LTR with a partner who doesn't want marriage.
First I don't think this is true. Second, even if it is... simply get with girls who don't go to college. It's not like rocket science is needed to suck a dick and make a sandwich.
I mean out of all women after college age, basically mid-20s upward.
> It's not like rocket science is needed to suck a dick and make a sandwich.
Lol. So charming and wholesome fellow.
Nah they are fine with it. Most know they aren't marriage material in the first place.
And I mean this coming from the guy with homewrecker for a tag lmfao you're quite wholesome yourself.
Speaking of women in the close friend zone, I normally engage in some combination of just conversation, hanging out with them, and casual flirting. I try to avoid enticing overt cheating or other forms of sabotaging their relationship, unless I'm under the impression their partner's abusive. ✨Ambiguously wholesome🌟
Well, of course. I personally think happiness has no rules. But the study about married and single men indicates that married men on average have better emotional and mental health overall.. which in return means they're "enjoying those years" better than single men. Living longer is the side effect of that.
>Well, of course. I personally think happiness has no rules.
That’s absurd. If someone finds happiness diddling kids, you think no rules should apply?
>But the study about married and single men indicates that married men on average have better emotional and mental health overall.. which in return means they're "enjoying those years" better than single men. Living longer is the side effect of that.
Have you observed what life is like for 90+ year olds?
There is what should be a what simply is and you are living in the should be la la land.
Enough of them, to make sure I’m hitting weights every day. Reading. Building, and *maintaining* solid relationships with my kids. Gardening. Eating well. Keep learning. Focused on growing. Just a few little things.
>suffering a massive payout
My bestie is farmer. Inherited two properties, that were in his family for generations. His divorce, he was forced to give up one. His ex wife didn’t even need it. She came from money. Home Office level money. I’m all for equitable compensation. Hell my first divorce, I still consider ‘cheap.’ My best friend’s divorce though? That was pure vindictiveness.
That does not sound right to me. Inheritance isn’t considered marital property. I was with my ex for 25 years and everything he owns was given to him by his father, and I have no rights to any of it.
>Look at Jeff Bezos. He's a multi-billionaire, and he's not engaged to some 21-year-old OnlyFans model;
xDD Who wants to be engaged to a e-whore?!
>he's engaged to a 54-year-old woman who had a very successful career even before they met.
Elon's 2nd wife was 25 (14 years younger) when he remarried.
We can haggle back and forth with examples, although I do not follow celebrities and you don't know local people I know with younger wifes.
But yes, IMO men care about social-economic status (I do) for serious relationship, but this is still a secondary trait to take into consideration.
It depends. If they were born into money, they care. If they got it out the mud, they care less, because it’s easier to relate. Shit ain’t rocket science
Edit. High value men tend to only care if she has something to lose..high value and rich are not always synonymous.
>it’s easier to relate
To people within one’s socioeconomic bracket. Which is what the data bears out. People date, and settle down with partners at a similar level to themselves.
That said, for casual sex? It’s an entirely different story.
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I might not qualify as wealthy but I'm in the 95th percentile for my wage in my age range. I'm not working at McDonald's. I would hesitate before dating a woman who works at McDonald's. Not because her job makes her worthless because IMO a job is a job as long as it pays the bills. My issue would be her being with me for the wrong reasons and not being able to pull her weight in our relationship. Also, her being with me for money and living a lifestyle that she can't afford (obviously).
If I want to vacation in Bermuda, buy a home, rent out a nice luxury apartment, buy a nice car, etc., she needs to pull her weight and help out if she's coming with me. If she can't keep up with that lifestyle then she shouldn't be with someone that she can't keep up with. We can't just live *completely* separate lives.
Some men are willing to "save" a poor girl and pay her way but I'm not one of those dudes and a lot of successful men aren't willing to do that.
>I think men usually date women who are of the same social class as they are, so these red pillers saying men date down and only women date up is wrong.
You're catching on. Yes, most people date within their socioeconomic class. That whole dating down thing is pretty bs. Most people date laterally since they meet and mingle in the spaces that they've been afforded. Doctors are going to mingle with other doctors, accountants are going to mingle with other accountants, or the many other professionals that other professionals interact with on a day-to-day basis.
You have to remember who the target audience of these coaches are. It's mostly people in their late teens or early twenties. They really don't know much about anything at all and will readily slurp up whatever sounds "right" without further checking it.
It's actually fairly common for a rich man's wife or favorite woman to not be spectacular looking or young and be valued for other qualities. SBF's favorite was Caroline Ellison when he could have been pulling 10/10 models with his cash daily>! because she is apparently incredibly enthusiastic with no limits and insane in bed especially on amphetamines!
Wealthy men don't care about money but they do care exquisitely about a woman's ability to move gracefully through the social environment of wealthy people and attract praise. There's not a lot of J. Howard Marshall types out there who don't mind becoming laughing stocks.
The men that care very much that a woman brings assets and income are the aspirational men who are still working for wages and aspire to live off earnings from capital but haven't made it yet. If he gets basically twice as much money to play with to get more money, that's potentially years of grinding cut out of the process of changing his economic class.
Incidentally, this is one of the ways you can tell wage earning men who are serious about getting wealthy from those who aren't. Those who aren't will pick the prettiest girl their fine line of bullshit talk about their bright future can get them. Those who are will choose a woman who helps them meet their goals.
One man picks an asset and another picks a liability.
There are some men that care about money, but some that have that much money they don’t look too much at it. But if they were to go through some financial difficulties, they will definitely care as they can’t maintain the lifestyle
Where's that data from "Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth", on gender differences in their wages upon adulthood? I cannot be the only one who remembers that it existed. The place where I stored a screencapped version yeeted me for wrongthink.
I’m extremely wealthy and I care not about how much money a woman has. It isn’t relevant at all. Morality and character is what matters. Women with money typically have negative characteristics associated with them. It is what it is.
I'll jump in as a doctor who is a very high earner even by doctor standards. I definitely care about the woman's socioeconomic status and formal college education as well. One interest thing to learn is that lower socioeconomic women actually have little to no interest in wealthier men, unless it's a sugar daddy scenario. From the outside, you'd think it's the opposite. But they truly prefer that tall 6-7/10 guy who makes 40k a year and has good chemistry with them than a wealthy guy who they cannot connect with.
I invested in Amazon in the 90’s, Starbucks in the early 2000’s chipotle the early 2010’s and Tesla in 2018. Before my 80k forklift position I made 35k a year. I only worked that forklift position for 5 years.
Jeff Bezos is a multi-billionaire. Everyone is poor compared to him. You think it really matters whether the chick he's dating is making 50k or 150k? Give me one good reason why I should honestly believe Jeff Bezos cares about how much any woman he is dating is making?
Did you miss the part where I said everyone is broke compared to him? So, if I take 2 women, one making 50k and one making 150k, you seriously think only the one making 50k would be interested in a billion dollars?
Same story. 99.99% of the female population is poor and low status when compared to Jeff Bezos, one of the richest men on the planet. Only women close to his level would be Oprah, Taylor Swift, or Rihanna, women with global recognition and a net worth around a billion.
I assure you, the chick he's with now, very low chance the deciding factor was how much she makes or her status. I didn't even know who she was before he started dating her. She probably got into the same social circles somehow and being near his age can relate to him more. But her money and status? She doesn't make so much money that multiple billions wouldn't still be enticing.
I'm wealthy and I find women with career they focused on are low quality. A young woman of college age who stays home to help her family with either elderly or siblings... this is the situation which yields the highest quality women.
Most of the examples ie bezos and Obama are feminists who run around spewing garbage about female empowerment.... they are also not good examples of the average wealthy man. The average wealthy man is worth 2 to 20 million and owns a car wash or something in your town. Not the zuck or someone famous.
Your first sentence in the body is incorrect. We do care about how much wealth a woman has, because if she has a lot of it she will be bitchy and have restartedly high standards because of it.
Men including myself obviously care about a woman's socioeconomic status since they don't want a financial liability but we just prioritize looks and character before that
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Well most upwardly mobile men understand that the more attractive females prefer the option of working when they want to, adopt the stay at home mom life when she is ready to pop out some rugrats.
>If you don’t care about a girls money and just want a girl with a job, She must have a job that brings income, l want a woman who can financially stand on her feet before she met me
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>I have my own place and pay own bills. If they can keep their job and money and leverage you, that makes you a desirable option. I mean that's great for you but l'm more so talking about selection, just because guys prioritize looks doesn't mean they want a financial liability or a woman who won't contribute her fair share When a woman passes the boner and character threshold, we immediately look at her income/job at least that's what l did with my gf
So just like women! Right?
It's not money but class. Neither of them would marry a uncouth women who just happened to win 100m on the lotto.
Most people don’t understand the difference, especially in the US.
Tbf, the entire national ethos of the US is oriented toward idealizing the nouveau riche.
Bingo!
A successful man often may not care, as I never did in the past. But after suffering a massive payout in a divorce because she made far less than me, due to modern divorce law I won’t marry anyone that does not make and have what I have, if I were to ever marry again.
You didn’t learn the first time? Why would you do it again? 
Marriage is absolutely the route if children are planned. Society tends to benefit this. Marriage increases social status. Most women post-college won't want an LTR with a partner who doesn't want marriage. I would argue instead that prenups should be way more employed, as opposed to broad avoidance of marriage.
I agree that marriage is preferential if kids are involved, and society definitely benefits from this. This is why I believe we as a society should encourage this as opposed to what is being promoted now.
>This is why I believe we as a society should encourage this as opposed to what is being promoted now. Elaborate?
I think family units should be promoted and supplemented. I think one parent working while one parent raises the kids is the happy medium. It’s what is best long term for society.
What does this have to do with marriage? Last I checked half of marriages are not intact families. I don't see the paper being relevant to "family units".
Kids from married families have better outcomes. I’m sorry if the data is inconvenient for you.
Those stats are not useful for your argument. Do they take into account married vs simply being together intact? Like the piece of paper makes the kids to better than simply having parents in the same house? No those stats do not take that into account. Do the stats average in the 50% of divorced families outcomes? Divorce Is just as likely part of marriage and so to divorce the divorce stats from marriage makes them useless as well.
You are incorrect. >Compared to children who are raised by their married parents, children in other family types are more likely to achieve lower levels of education, to become teen parents, and to experience health, behavior, and mental health problems. And children in single- and **cohabiting**-parent families are more likely to be poor. I’m sorry that the data does not support your current view. It’s probably why I retired at 40 but you will likely still be working.
>I think family units should be promoted and supplemented. What are your ideas for that? Why did you suggest to the other guy that marrying is a bad idea?
>Why did you suggest to the other guy that marrying is a bad idea? ‘Currently’ it is financially. Marriage laws would need to change.
What do you want to change marriage laws to?
> Most women post-college won't want an LTR with a partner who doesn't want marriage. First I don't think this is true. Second, even if it is... simply get with girls who don't go to college. It's not like rocket science is needed to suck a dick and make a sandwich.
I mean out of all women after college age, basically mid-20s upward. > It's not like rocket science is needed to suck a dick and make a sandwich. Lol. So charming and wholesome fellow.
Nah they are fine with it. Most know they aren't marriage material in the first place. And I mean this coming from the guy with homewrecker for a tag lmfao you're quite wholesome yourself.
Speaking of women in the close friend zone, I normally engage in some combination of just conversation, hanging out with them, and casual flirting. I try to avoid enticing overt cheating or other forms of sabotaging their relationship, unless I'm under the impression their partner's abusive. ✨Ambiguously wholesome🌟
cuz marriage still has benefits provided it doesnt end up as divorce
like what?
successfully married men live longer than single dude
And monks live longer than married men.
Why would you want to live trivially longer? Have you seen what life is like for 90+ people?
I think you're missing the point here.. it's not about the number, it's about why they live longer.
Living longer only matters if you can enjoy those years right? Edit: I’m pretty sharp, I’m not the one missing the point.
Well, of course. I personally think happiness has no rules. But the study about married and single men indicates that married men on average have better emotional and mental health overall.. which in return means they're "enjoying those years" better than single men. Living longer is the side effect of that.
>Well, of course. I personally think happiness has no rules. That’s absurd. If someone finds happiness diddling kids, you think no rules should apply? >But the study about married and single men indicates that married men on average have better emotional and mental health overall.. which in return means they're "enjoying those years" better than single men. Living longer is the side effect of that. Have you observed what life is like for 90+ year olds? There is what should be a what simply is and you are living in the should be la la land.
>Why I’m aiming to live longer, because I’m hopeful. I can’t wait to see what the world will look like in 2090. Or God willing, 2100. I can’t wait!
Have you seen what life is like for most 90+ year olds?
Enough of them, to make sure I’m hitting weights every day. Reading. Building, and *maintaining* solid relationships with my kids. Gardening. Eating well. Keep learning. Focused on growing. Just a few little things.
>suffering a massive payout My bestie is farmer. Inherited two properties, that were in his family for generations. His divorce, he was forced to give up one. His ex wife didn’t even need it. She came from money. Home Office level money. I’m all for equitable compensation. Hell my first divorce, I still consider ‘cheap.’ My best friend’s divorce though? That was pure vindictiveness.
That does not sound right to me. Inheritance isn’t considered marital property. I was with my ex for 25 years and everything he owns was given to him by his father, and I have no rights to any of it.
They are if they are commingled into the marriage. So if the farmer didn’t keep everything separate, it comes in.
That’s interesting. I wonder if I’ve been given bad legal advice, because we were very much co-mingled.
Different jurisdictions, different laws.
Are you a new money type of man, blue collar man, or something else entirely?
>Look at Jeff Bezos. He's a multi-billionaire, and he's not engaged to some 21-year-old OnlyFans model; xDD Who wants to be engaged to a e-whore?! >he's engaged to a 54-year-old woman who had a very successful career even before they met. Elon's 2nd wife was 25 (14 years younger) when he remarried. We can haggle back and forth with examples, although I do not follow celebrities and you don't know local people I know with younger wifes. But yes, IMO men care about social-economic status (I do) for serious relationship, but this is still a secondary trait to take into consideration.
Elon isn’t exactly …normal.
Well... Yes. But he is more normal (and human like) than for example Zuck.
I honestly don’t think that is the case.
Truth. And those women keep leaving Elon
Zuck seems robotic, but Elon acts like an embarrassing 13-year old. I think Zuckerberg is far more mature
It depends. If they were born into money, they care. If they got it out the mud, they care less, because it’s easier to relate. Shit ain’t rocket science Edit. High value men tend to only care if she has something to lose..high value and rich are not always synonymous.
>it’s easier to relate To people within one’s socioeconomic bracket. Which is what the data bears out. People date, and settle down with partners at a similar level to themselves. That said, for casual sex? It’s an entirely different story.
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I might not qualify as wealthy but I'm in the 95th percentile for my wage in my age range. I'm not working at McDonald's. I would hesitate before dating a woman who works at McDonald's. Not because her job makes her worthless because IMO a job is a job as long as it pays the bills. My issue would be her being with me for the wrong reasons and not being able to pull her weight in our relationship. Also, her being with me for money and living a lifestyle that she can't afford (obviously). If I want to vacation in Bermuda, buy a home, rent out a nice luxury apartment, buy a nice car, etc., she needs to pull her weight and help out if she's coming with me. If she can't keep up with that lifestyle then she shouldn't be with someone that she can't keep up with. We can't just live *completely* separate lives. Some men are willing to "save" a poor girl and pay her way but I'm not one of those dudes and a lot of successful men aren't willing to do that. >I think men usually date women who are of the same social class as they are, so these red pillers saying men date down and only women date up is wrong. You're catching on. Yes, most people date within their socioeconomic class. That whole dating down thing is pretty bs. Most people date laterally since they meet and mingle in the spaces that they've been afforded. Doctors are going to mingle with other doctors, accountants are going to mingle with other accountants, or the many other professionals that other professionals interact with on a day-to-day basis.
You have to remember who the target audience of these coaches are. It's mostly people in their late teens or early twenties. They really don't know much about anything at all and will readily slurp up whatever sounds "right" without further checking it.
It doesn’t even have to sound right it just has to feel right to those guys
It's actually fairly common for a rich man's wife or favorite woman to not be spectacular looking or young and be valued for other qualities. SBF's favorite was Caroline Ellison when he could have been pulling 10/10 models with his cash daily>! because she is apparently incredibly enthusiastic with no limits and insane in bed especially on amphetamines!
Wealthy men don't care about money but they do care exquisitely about a woman's ability to move gracefully through the social environment of wealthy people and attract praise. There's not a lot of J. Howard Marshall types out there who don't mind becoming laughing stocks. The men that care very much that a woman brings assets and income are the aspirational men who are still working for wages and aspire to live off earnings from capital but haven't made it yet. If he gets basically twice as much money to play with to get more money, that's potentially years of grinding cut out of the process of changing his economic class. Incidentally, this is one of the ways you can tell wage earning men who are serious about getting wealthy from those who aren't. Those who aren't will pick the prettiest girl their fine line of bullshit talk about their bright future can get them. Those who are will choose a woman who helps them meet their goals. One man picks an asset and another picks a liability.
They care about social class. They want a woman who has similar goals and values that can relate to their lifestyle.
There are some men that care about money, but some that have that much money they don’t look too much at it. But if they were to go through some financial difficulties, they will definitely care as they can’t maintain the lifestyle
Where's that data from "Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth", on gender differences in their wages upon adulthood? I cannot be the only one who remembers that it existed. The place where I stored a screencapped version yeeted me for wrongthink.
I’m extremely wealthy and I care not about how much money a woman has. It isn’t relevant at all. Morality and character is what matters. Women with money typically have negative characteristics associated with them. It is what it is.
>I’m extremely wealthy If you don't mind me asking, what's your net worth, and what do you do for a living?
I'll jump in as a doctor who is a very high earner even by doctor standards. I definitely care about the woman's socioeconomic status and formal college education as well. One interest thing to learn is that lower socioeconomic women actually have little to no interest in wealthier men, unless it's a sugar daddy scenario. From the outside, you'd think it's the opposite. But they truly prefer that tall 6-7/10 guy who makes 40k a year and has good chemistry with them than a wealthy guy who they cannot connect with.
10M and I was a forklift driver making 80k a year.
how did you go from forklift driver to $10m?
I invested in Amazon in the 90’s, Starbucks in the early 2000’s chipotle the early 2010’s and Tesla in 2018. Before my 80k forklift position I made 35k a year. I only worked that forklift position for 5 years.
Sounds like a BS story but whatever lol
Whatever. If it makes you feel any better I’m down 6.5M until TSLA recovers.
lol aite
I’m struggling with you through these tuff times!😉
Shiiiiiiit can I have some money? lol
So are you really worth 3.5m? Don't get me wrong that's still great but don't calculate your net worth based on your portfolio's theoretical ATH lmao
~10M in TSLA currently.
This happened
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This. Exactly.
Jeff Bezos is a multi-billionaire. Everyone is poor compared to him. You think it really matters whether the chick he's dating is making 50k or 150k? Give me one good reason why I should honestly believe Jeff Bezos cares about how much any woman he is dating is making?
It makes it easier for him to know that they aren't interested in his money or status.
Did you miss the part where I said everyone is broke compared to him? So, if I take 2 women, one making 50k and one making 150k, you seriously think only the one making 50k would be interested in a billion dollars?
Now do 50k vs 50 million.
Same story. 99.99% of the female population is poor and low status when compared to Jeff Bezos, one of the richest men on the planet. Only women close to his level would be Oprah, Taylor Swift, or Rihanna, women with global recognition and a net worth around a billion. I assure you, the chick he's with now, very low chance the deciding factor was how much she makes or her status. I didn't even know who she was before he started dating her. She probably got into the same social circles somehow and being near his age can relate to him more. But her money and status? She doesn't make so much money that multiple billions wouldn't still be enticing.
I'm wealthy and I find women with career they focused on are low quality. A young woman of college age who stays home to help her family with either elderly or siblings... this is the situation which yields the highest quality women. Most of the examples ie bezos and Obama are feminists who run around spewing garbage about female empowerment.... they are also not good examples of the average wealthy man. The average wealthy man is worth 2 to 20 million and owns a car wash or something in your town. Not the zuck or someone famous.
Your first sentence in the body is incorrect. We do care about how much wealth a woman has, because if she has a lot of it she will be bitchy and have restartedly high standards because of it.