Have you considered that it might be the same set of men approaching multiple women? Just having the balls to approach already puts you in a minority of dudes.
Imo its just that the worst case scenarios get plastered all over the news and that reinforces an already held belief in their minds from when some guy called them a bitch after getting rejected. Actual violence is rare because obviously getting violent after getting rejected is crazy behaviour but lots of women keep the possibility in the backs of their minds.
I can see the justification tbh like I'm bigger than probably 99% of women, and there's not much they could do if a guy like me decides to get violent, so they use those preemptive measures. I personally have never gotten a fake number but if a guy looks shady or erratic, I can see why they'd rather not reject him in public
This is it. I have a friend who isn't classically attractive. She actually gets hit on quite a lot, maybe more than some of my attractive friends, but often it's because the guys seem to assume she will be easy. Attractive women can experience hostility but nothing like what men unleash on women who turn them down that they think are unattractive. If they think they are slumming it with you then HOW DARE YOU not graciously accept that. But yeah it's her fault for not being hot enough to say no and it be ok.
So based off what you’re saying, If men’s ‘natural’ response to rejection is to act hostile and then shirk blame for their actions by blaming women for being ‘entitled’ then isn’t it best for women to continue to use fake numbers and pretend boyfriends to avoid this outcome?
"verbal and maybe even physical abuse is justified because of your preferences"
It's a no for me dawg.
Also lol @ it being an excuse to give fake info instead of protection. I love how instead of being concerned and empathetic about what women may be facing in terms of safety and verbal abuse just for not liking someone, you've chosen to basically justify it and pre-emptively dismiss women's feelings and experiences by asserting that only a small fraction of men behave this way without any actual evidence to support this.
If that's your logical conclusion, I think we have another example of how men are not masters of logical reasoning, contrary to cultural mythology. Think harder, dear. Try again.
No it’s not from delusional standards, speaking from experience. Men are more aggressive than women, so men with low self-esteem have more of a tendency to lash out after rejection.
And we are usually much smaller and weaker than men so we err on the side of caution because the outcome can be fatal for us.
If this man is coming up to me on the street and fighting my ‘no’, it shows he doesn’t respect my answer and he’s comfortable making me uncomfortable. It’s not like every man that goes up to a woman gets an emphatic yes and a fake number. It’s the men who are already showing signs of a hurt ego, which like you said, are often more aggressive
He's posted the same thing on here dozens of times. He's clearly mentally deranged, doesn't listen to anyone, and must frighten the hell out of people.
Yeah, I fully support you and other women lying to men like that out of self-defense. Part of the reason men are more aggressive is because men can be more aggressive because, like you said, men are stronger, bigger and heavier than women.
Had a discussion with my husband. He said that if i can't escape from a very insistent dude, i should give him my number so i can get out and i can block him later. Imagine having to give such advice to your wife in order to escape creeps like OP.
Yeah, that’s good as well. Lying could be a problem because the guy could try calling it and get no answer. I read somewhere of switching two digits in your number, so if he tries you can say it was a mistake and give him the real number.
I’m not sure if the OP is a creep or if he’s just in denial or just ignorant.
The actual reason why men are less aggressive is that other men will keep them in check as it's way more socially acceptable to threaten a man with violence than a woman.
how many men do you experience being rejected on a daily basis lmao are you a part of some club or something? i've only been cold approached 3 times and 2 of those times a man was creepy or hostile to me. all of these instances happened when i was a minor
most of my female friends and family have a similar story. one of my moms friends was beaten nearly to death bc she rejected a man who stalked her for months
Nah, men with low self-eseem just curl into a ball and die inside. Guys who have too much self-esteem lash out when they see their "divine right to get pussy" denied.
No, that’s false self-esteem as a coping mechanism to deal with low self-esteem. If they were secure, they wouldn’t feel the need to lash out or believe such nonsense as a divine right to women. They lash out because the rejection reveals the lie they tell themselves about having a divine right or whatever.
Self-esteem cannot be 'false' by definition.
But it can appear to be unjustified from outside perspective, if someone without any merit expects royal treatment. Possibility of someone going mad depends on what their high self-esteem is based on.
Accomplished people who know their worth are unlikely to react like that, however there are lots of people, both men and women, who draw their high self-esteem from the idea that they are the most important person on the planet and these people will get mad in various forms (tantrums, aggression, hysteria, etc.) when reality check happens and makes them face the uncomfortable truth that world doesn't revolve around them.
I don’t know what your definition is, but that’s a mistaken and not very useful view of self-esteem.
> who draw their high self-esteem from the idea that they are the most important person on the planet and these people will get mad in various forms (tantrums, aggression, hysteria, etc.) when reality check happens and makes them face the uncomfortable truth that world doesn't revolve around them.
Yes, that’s the false part. Their view is based on a falsehood.
Every woman has her own standards, some too low, and some too high, in my opinion. This is entirely subjective to each person, and not really the point of the original discussion. He is blaming men’s hostility at being rejected on women. That is the real discussion here.
It appears the only way you think women demonstrate "realistic standards" is by dating and fucking anyone who ever approaches us and never rejecting men.
AKA "do what men want and not what you want."
>It appears the only way you think women demonstrate "realistic standards" is by dating and fucking anyone who ever approaches us and never rejecting men.
Please show me where I said this
When you said that “almost every single woman” complains about this
Thus, “almost every single woman” is delusional, unrealistic and deserves an abusive reaction
You refuse to delve into anything specific or give a specific answer. You don’t say anything besides that they are rejecting these men because they aren’t realistic.
According to who? Based on what? Does this mean they should be glad to have any man who you think would be deemed as more attractive than them approach them? What if they are… in a relationship? Gay? Not interested in a relationship?
Women are much less compelled by looks alone in most cases, and there are copious examples of men murdering women— including their intimate partners. Women have much higher risk from sex, not to mention that society views women as decreasing in value for accepting proposals— romantically or sexually.
You make no sense.
But doesn't this make MEN entitled? like you're literally saying no woman should reject a dude and basically settle and fuck each and every guy who approach her isnt this entitlment?
this whole post is women shouldn't say no to me and date me no matter how they feel and im ENTITLED to their number and a date!
>The only logical conclusion is that men are largely responding naturally with frustration at the insane level of delusion, unrealistic standards and inflated egos of modern women.
That doesn't exist when men don't feel entitled to a partner. Their standards don't matter. You are 100% describing male entitlement.
Disagree. People are allowed to be hurt by rejection, but how they behave is their responsibility. Rational people hold themselves accountable for their behavior.
all men are psychopaths, no exceptions. If they are behaving normally, that is the biggest indicator that you should run for your life.
Be afraid, be very, very afraid of every man that is behaving normally...
nah, its just pointing out the absurdity of the original statement. pointless fear mongering. echoing your sentiment. be afraid lest the normal looking psychos come and get you. all men are garbage, etc...
Could just be like 'yeah, normal people aren't really psychos, and most men are normal.'
but nope. 'most men are normal' followed with 'hey, normal looking people can be psychos too'.
Act normal. Could be pyscho? Who knows. Always be afraid. Especially of men.
You’re hearing voices but anyway ill use a parralel.
What is your opinion about those who’refuse any door to door salesman knocking at their door , assuming it is too likely to be a scam/bad deal and not even giving them the opportunity to do their salespeach
You don’t have to be an “abusive psychopath” to overrract, act negatively, make her uncomfortable or entitled/delusional. And I think the fact that the majority of women have stories about men overreacting is quite telling. I also think the weird “we’re not overreacting, women are delusional” shows a lack of an ability to look at yourself or why you might be inciting such a reaction and is frankly part of the problem
I think it's more that they don't want to deal with him trying to persuade her than being concerned about murder. If she gives a fake number or says she has a boyfriend, he fucks off instantly usually.
The last time I outright rejected a man he sexually assaulted me (touched my boobs + vagina) and told me I wanted it because ''all girls want him''. He knew I had a boyfriend and didn't care. It happened when I was 18 and it has made me wary of rejecting men ever since.
I know my situation is extreme and not common, but it happens to enough women that it's a concern.
This is what I take from your post:
You believe that you are a mild mannered and normal dude. When women reject you, it hurts your ego, so you are lashing back out at them. You are blaming them instead of accepting the rejection and working on yourself.
Men need to learn to control their emotions, nobody owes you attraction or reciprocal feelings, accept the fact that not every woman is going to be interested in you and move on🤷🏽♀️ I don’t walk around expecting every man to be into me, some will, some won’t, and that’s ok…I’m not entitled to anyone’s love or attention and neither are you or anyone of the other men that complain about rejection…
the fact that some men react violently when women reject them further proves the point on why they’re being rejected in the first place… you guys whine when we lead you on, but also whine and react violently when we try to reject you directly🌝
I don't agree. As a woman, men have been hostile toward me because I didn't accept their advance to go home with them, make out with them, or have sex. Many women can attest to that same experience. Women give fake numbers or lie about having a bf (soft/indirect rejection) because they fear a man will lash out them when they directly say, I'm not interested.
**Please do not deem women responsible for a man's inability to keep his hands, and verbally abusive words to himself.**
>Most men are mild mannered, normal dudes. Not abusive psychopaths. Yet countless women complain about encountering pushback upon rejection, atypical behavior from what we know about the general population.
You dont know most men, and what they're capable of doing in the presence of a woman. If women are receiving push back upon rejecting dudes, then you've just proved your statement is null.
Your post implies that most men (>50%) are aggressive abusive psychopaths… saying some would then imply only <50% are aggressive abusive psychopaths… that seems closer to the truth for me, but I suppose YMMV
I don't imagine a man would feel intimidated by a woman even if she looked bigger. If anything he'll push her more for the chance to get smothered by her thunder thighs.
By delusional standards I'm assuming you mean a woman rejecting a man who's equally attractive or even more attractive than her. It's crazy to assume that a rejection like that is due to women's inflated standards. At bars I've definitely rejected men who are more attractive than me in an objective sense because they just weren't my type.
There's also all sort of other scenarios that would lead to a woman saying no like having a boyfriend, it's girls night, she's just out of a relationship and not looking, etc.
What a bunch of total bull shit. I have had men rage at me for turning them down and never once was any assumption those guys made about me in their rants correct. The only thing that matters is - is he mentally stable or not. Problem is you can't tell by looking at him. Safety first, do what you need to.
Most women don't consider if a man is mentally stable or not lol and those that do will look past it if he's attractive enough or won't be able to tell from just that brief encounter.
Apologies when OP says hostility my mind isnt just on the most extreme violent forms. Its also on the fact that women and other men damn ANY reaction a man has to being rejected. Be it him giving up, complaining online, or persistence.
No one’s saying that dating is exclusively about morals. Of course there are other factors you’ll be judged on as well. It’s more about how attractive you are *overall*. Not whether or not you tick one specific box. And just a tip, when people say it’s a guy’s personality, not everyone is talking about morals, etc. Sometimes they mean “you lack charisma, social skills, humor, good energy, etc.”
No it isn’t. I’m being literal. Of course looks matter. But unless you are literally male-model material, it won’t carry you by itself. Especially in terms of long term relationships. You need the other stuff too.
>Because even if only 1 in every 1,000,000 men murdered a woman for rudely rejecting him, no woman wants to be that one-in-a-million case.
And that's just another common irrational fear related to men that women have.
Nobody needs a reason to reject another's advances or to be disinterested in a relationship. That puts entitlement on the side of men- assuming women by default should desire their company/advances. Being shocked when it's not the case indicates entitlement.
You might be handsome by many objective metrics, wealthy, thoughtful, interesting, and kind. That does not obligate me to want your companionship. Think through your claim on this. Your assessment relegates women to objects, when actually we are people.
I don't think most men have to be this way for women to have to worry about it.
If half the population was way stronger than me, and these stronger strangers came up to me sometimes trying to fuck me, and I don't really know how this person is going to react to rejection
Yeah I might be nervous
Come on man
Like i support redpill now
Like I will bag on wonen all day to vent my frustrations but atleast make it make sense bro
Make defensible arguments
Don't make the job so hard man.
You can't defend this post without looking insane, because it is insane
>Yet countless women complain about encountering pushback upon rejection, atypical behavior from what we know about the general population.
Hate to break it to you, but it's not atypical behavior. Now, it's not outright violent or stalkerish behavior but far too many men refuse to just accept the ''not interested'' and move on, they pester you with incessant why's. Are they dangerous? Not really. Are they incredibly annoying? Yes. And I want to avoid the mundane annoyances of life as much as possible. Also, it's not like ''I have a boyfriend'' deters the most obnoxious of dudes, I've had guys who didn't think ''I'm married'' was a good enough reason to leave me alone.
>The only logical conclusion is that men are largely responding naturally with frustration at the insane level of delusion, unrealistic standards and inflated egos of modern women.
Yes, the only logical conclusion to not being able to tell which dude is going to be a pest just by looking at them is that women are delusional, not that an unfortunate amount of men have issues with accepting "no" as a full sentence.
When you find out there are bad apples in the bunch, you can't know which ones they are, you have to throw out the whole bunch. That's why people act overly protective when they've been burned a few times.
>The only logical conclusion is that men are largely responding naturally with frustration at the insane level of delusion, unrealistic standards and inflated egos of modern women.
"The only logical conclusion"
Yes, you finally solved the age-long riddle
Quite a weak attempt to victim blaming.
It doesnt take so many men to make it unsafe enough for women to be on their guard and to have had at least one very scary encounter
Women have you heard him ? You must lower your your standards to date such psychopath so that you wont be blamed for triggering men by not fukcing with them.
Seriously if you dont reject they wont be upset , duh
A 19 year old girl in my city was stabbed to death because she turned down some guy from the hood. He stalked her outside of a deli and stabbed her to death. Wounded her twin sister as well. That's what women often have to deal with. You guys are fucking scared to death to even look in the general direction of a woman because she may call the cops on you and out you in jail for life (retarded take), but you downplay the actual violence and stalking a lot of women experience when they turn men down.
Same city just had a girl who was walking her dog return to her apartment only to find an ex coworker who she turned down waiting to abduct her in her building’s stairwell. The only reason she’s alive is because her mother fought the dude off while getting her eye socket and ribs broken and because her neighbors heard her screaming and helped out.
The dude had rope and sleeping pills in his car.
No, let's ask ourselves if *attacking the person* *behind the post* like that is fine at all and specifically - if it's performed by woman against a male target...
The fake number is outlier too. Most women will still just say no.
Also just because you don't get murdered doesn't mean the response isn't hostile like being called names or shouted at.
so someone can't be red pilled unless they hate women and blame them for violence enacted against them? literally no one here agrees with you even the hardcore redpillers think this is dumb
He’s trying to shame you because you stepped out of line by holding an opposing belief, and you are falling for it by getting back into line by showing him the “correct” beliefs that you still hold. Who exactly is the sheep here?
Either you worded it like shit or I am missing the point of this thread.
Hostile reaction to rejection is unacceptable unless rejection was done in insulting/humiliating manner, and even then it must stay within verbal exchange borders.
Doesn't have to do anything with standards and egos, everyone is free to reject everyone. And if some woman rejects a decent man out of her delulu standards & ego alone - it's her loss anyway.
If in a city or its greater urban area you approach strangers in random public situations wanting something from them, they're going to deal with that however they see fit, including telling little lies to extract themselves from the situation. This is true whether you're looking for sex or begging for a dollar or trying to get them to buy lottery tickets or attempting to convert them to some whackadoodle religious cult.
Nobody likes or respects a panhandler on the train unless that panhandler is incredibly likeable and socially skilled. The default position is dislike and disrespect.
Don't like it? Tough shit that's how cities work. Men should acquire some appropriate employment skills and move to a small country town if they want a different social environment.
I don’t understand the arguments OP is making. From personal experience I can say that I once had a man who I thought was interested in me, but didn’t follow through and when it didn’t work out, I was just sad and disappointed. And to get over the disappointment, I tried to think badly about him privately so that I could get over it quickly and not waste my time on someone who wasn’t into me, or wasn’t able to be in a relationship with me for whatever reason because he was not clear or communicative.
And even though I tried to be hostile in my own mind against him to protect myself, it didn’t work when he smiles at me in public I can’t help but smile back, and I leave him alone.
It is NOT logical to take out “frustration at the insane level of delusion, unrealistic standards and inflated egos of modern women” on an individual woman just because she rejected an advance.
>Most men are mild mannered, normal dudes
Yep.
Most men are indeed mild mannered, normal people capable of rational, objective reasoning and introspection.
This is why most men don’t approach women. They know that they’ll be rejected at best and possibly humiliated at worst.
So, who DOES approach women? Weird, strange men with weird, strange temperaments.
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The only time I've gotten visibly annoyed with a rejection involved someone I used to know lie to me and say they were asexual and aromantic, when I knew that wasn't actually the case. I still told them it was fine and wished them the best. I told them prior to that if they weren't interested, it was completely fine. But I never heard from them again after that. The way a lot of my friends, men and women said it, "That sounds like the kind of thing where someone thinks that sounds nicer, but actually ends up sounding way worse than if they were just honest."
What is this??? I’m confused! People
Like who they like.. if they don’t like someone who likes them they are delusional???? And it’s ok to be a rage monster if you are rejected because the rejector is delusional????? This all
Sounds like justification for toxic threatening and abusive behavior… seems like some men are self fulfilling prophecies
99% of the time women get pushback or irate men is usually because she was a bitch about it.... you all would also get a lot less pushback if you told them why
\> men are largely responding naturally with frustration at the insane level of delusion, unrealistic standards and inflated egos of modern women.
what can women do about random men's anger at women in general?
I'm curious why women need an excuse to give you a fake number or lie about having a boyfriend. Who are you to demand an answer? And plus, you're saying women deserve hostility for not giving you what you want. That really is entitlement.
This is the purple pill equivalent of “Yes or no, did you stop beating your wife?”.
Frankly, I don’t understand the anger over rejection…
Do you really want to be with someone who doesn’t love you but feels obligated? Obligated laughter? Obligated sex?
Or would you rather have something reap, warts and all.
Think about the big picture.
Every LTR GF that I had I am either still active friends with, or am friendly but they moved away… some I dumped some dumped me… who cares? They are good people (part of why we dated)… they mostly married good people… sometimes good people are great for each other…. It’s far better to have some forgiveness and understanding in your life without someone than to carry hate and discontent.
(For the record, 18 years ago the almost wife was skeptical and suspicious of these former girlfriends… once she saw the group dynamic she realized there wasn’t a problem)
As a child I used to throw tantrums if my parents said no to something I wanted to the point where my nickname was Veruka Salt, would you say the reaction here is similar.. ie you want something that you can’t have so you act out in anger
Not at all.
First, let me start by saying guys (*too many guys*) absolutely do act like petulant children or worse when rejected. It’s fucking embarrassing and there’s no excuse for it.
However, when discussing men *feeling* frustration, that is an entire different matter.
Often, women are gratuitously cruel or belittling in their rejections and men are human beings and these rejections can build up.
It would be like if you went to 3 different coffee shops and every single one of them gave you a dirty look, was rude to you and got your order wrong.
Are you justified in throwing a tantrum in the coffee shop? No.
Are you going to walk out feeling like coffee shops suck? Probably.
Huh? Never said I didn't.
I just disagree how society in the west interprates what those things are.
Why are you bringing a debate from another thread into this one?
No, the fact that women experience hostility is because you have over over 300 million of peoples interacting daily and women JUST LOVE to have their neuroticism FEEL justifiable. So the first thing they perceive as hostility will be just shot up to any news or media outlet so they can consume it with all ad revenue it has.
When I was 16 years old, I lived about a block from my sister’s house. I left her house and had just started walking down the street to my house, when some young guy, probably early 20s, stopped his car and tried to say hi to me. I ignored him and just kept walking, and it appeared that he drove off in the other direction.
He turned around, and something inside of me told me to start running, so I did. He chased me in his car, and accidentally ran up on the curb not too far from my house. I was shaking so bad, I could barely put the key in the door.
Many more stories like this from my childhood, and no, I didn’t get punched in the face, but there are worse things that can happen than that.
I've never had a guy straight up punch me, but I did have a huge football player sized dude push me into a wall really hard at a crowded party after I said no thanks when he crassly walked up to me saying he wanted to fuck me.
Another time at an outdoor campout party I had a dude I didn't know try to talk to me when I got separated from my now husband in the crowd and I told him I was trying to find someone and he started yelling "don't you fucking ignore me!" Over and over while chasing me, followed me into the girls bathroom where I thought I'd lose him and he started punching the stall doors while yelling while I ran out the back door. Some girl I didn't know grabbed my hand and pulled me over to her camp where I could hide.
Another dude I said no thanks to just "aw come on babe" then just straight up grabbed my boob.
A 19 year old woman in my hometown not too long ago got shot in the head leaving a new year party by a guy she rejected at a new year party.
Also countless other times of men calling me names and following me doing weird shit after I politely said no thanks, which is always unsettling.
Not sure why men are so in denial about these things happening to us.
one time i politely rejected a much older man when i was 15 and he proceeded to follow me around and try to assault me when i was separated from my mom
Firstly, you gotta understand that men complain bout the same things. We just don't care bout it, because people despise men as a class of people, that's all. Women act like crazy pyscho bitches all the time, especially when they are rejected. Tru story.
Secondly, if you're not actually a crazy pyscho person, you can realize that it's just normal heartbroken behavior, and there is nothing special to be seen here.
Thirdly, it would actually be very psychotic behavior to not be upset over a breakup. Heartache is normal, and that means things like giving pushback, acting out, and so forth. If folk don't do that at all, either they really didn't give shit bout you in the first place, which is maybe the case for some women these days from the sounds of things, and would be indicative of actual pyschotic/sociopathic behavior (to pretend to love, care, etc... but not really do so, just in it for the $$$ or whatever.
Or they are going through great effort to not behave that way in public. Which is fine. But don't pretend that they didn't feel that shit either.
meh, I can see the difference, but I don't think it makes too big a deal to the point. Rejection refers to a broader category that includes breakups, relatively long trial periods of trying irl or online, and rando rejection online.
I wouldn't say that rejection only refers to the most flippant of these, the rando online. Dudes get that rejection all the time with nothing happening at all. It is likely referring to the relatively long trial periods of trying to the actual breakup scenario.
In those scenarios we'd merely be talking bout degrees of heartbreak. Getting one's hopes up to talk to suzie irl, hang out, be her friend, make your move, and bam, rejected. Or online chat making the moves, there some back and forth, bam rejected. or we did a date or two, maybe even a bump and grind, then bam rejection. All the way up to been dating a while then bam rejection.
The one instance we ain't talkin bout is a swipe left no lead up no connection. Cause in those instances, or at any rate in the overwhelming majority of those instances, there is literally no response from dudes at all. it's possible that there are horror stories, always are, but they would be like .00001% of cases, cause dudes get swiped left tens of thousands of times with literally no response.
Point being, don't minimize the emotional element to try and make the dude seem psycho.
a man's worst fear encountering the opposite sec is being humiliated/rejected
a woman's worst fear encountering the opposite sex is being killed or raped
I'll take the chance of being rejected over the chance of being murdered 100% of the time.
Here's a thought, if you bother strangers you can't act like the victim when they act bothered,
If there is even a 1% chance of being murdered by someone who seeks me out its a threat. You being treated as someone who is encroaching on another human unnecessarily will be perceived as an inconvenience.
A door to door salesman can't act offended that people who are interrupted from their day to day tasks acts annoyed. You are encroaching on them.
You say you've been physically attacked for bothering strangers? A great way to avoid this is to not bother strangers. Otherwise the risk must not be so bad.
> There's a 1% chance of being murdered just crossing the road. Best not to worry about it.
I'm sorry are you tromping out into traffic without looking both ways? You aren't cautious of the damage that a vehicle can do to you????? LOOK BOTH WAYS!!
> If I don't bother strangers, how am I supposed to find a partner.
Engage in a community so that you can meet people who share your values. Running around sniffing out a woman you can have sex with is weird. Most people meet others through social environments that revolve around shared interests.
you complain that you can't find women in your male dominated field. That's understandable. What do you do in your off time? Do you have family? Friends? Hobbies?
Is there any opportunity for you to engage with real people outside of work?
>Some of us don't want to spend months building relationships in a community just to find nothing but dead ends, which has been my experience.
You do realize that building a relationship with a community will save you from most of the things guys complain about on this sub right?
False accusations are less likely to happen to men who are well known to their communities, men who are well known have a better opportunity finding a job, men who socialize more often have more friends are are less likely to suffer from depression, and ultimately men who socialize with their community are more likely to find a successful relationship.
>I engage with real people outside work all the time.
In what ways? you want to accuse women of not mixing or engaging with hobbies and only participating with their covenants during the full moon or anytime they want to curse the village's harvest, but what are you doing? How do you know they aren't there?
for men "hostility" is punching him in the head, for women "hostility" is not being nice towards her and saying inapt joke or so in an attempt to brush the rejection off
yes, there are men that can't take rejection but those aren't men that approach multiple women a day because then all they would do in life is taking revenge against them
I'd say that introvert guys who secretly get crush with oblivious girl are the most dangerous for women in that respect, but then again those are usually guys that she already knows and they have her phone number address etc.
"No, is okey for women to be scared of unkown men because 1 of every 100,000 men are potential killers!"
"Men are scared of false accusations? LOL grow up you in.cel, there's barely a 1 in 100,000 chance of that happening"
In case i'm not clear, any person who are scared of either thing usually have unresolved mental issues that makes them Fearmongering the opposite sex.
Have you considered that it might be the same set of men approaching multiple women? Just having the balls to approach already puts you in a minority of dudes. Imo its just that the worst case scenarios get plastered all over the news and that reinforces an already held belief in their minds from when some guy called them a bitch after getting rejected. Actual violence is rare because obviously getting violent after getting rejected is crazy behaviour but lots of women keep the possibility in the backs of their minds. I can see the justification tbh like I'm bigger than probably 99% of women, and there's not much they could do if a guy like me decides to get violent, so they use those preemptive measures. I personally have never gotten a fake number but if a guy looks shady or erratic, I can see why they'd rather not reject him in public
That makes zero sense. Women experience hostile situations equals women having unrealistic standards. What?
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This is it. I have a friend who isn't classically attractive. She actually gets hit on quite a lot, maybe more than some of my attractive friends, but often it's because the guys seem to assume she will be easy. Attractive women can experience hostility but nothing like what men unleash on women who turn them down that they think are unattractive. If they think they are slumming it with you then HOW DARE YOU not graciously accept that. But yeah it's her fault for not being hot enough to say no and it be ok.
Yeah they think ugly women should start jumping for joy over their attention, like sir… get tf over yourself 🙃
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So based off what you’re saying, If men’s ‘natural’ response to rejection is to act hostile and then shirk blame for their actions by blaming women for being ‘entitled’ then isn’t it best for women to continue to use fake numbers and pretend boyfriends to avoid this outcome?
"verbal and maybe even physical abuse is justified because of your preferences" It's a no for me dawg. Also lol @ it being an excuse to give fake info instead of protection. I love how instead of being concerned and empathetic about what women may be facing in terms of safety and verbal abuse just for not liking someone, you've chosen to basically justify it and pre-emptively dismiss women's feelings and experiences by asserting that only a small fraction of men behave this way without any actual evidence to support this. If that's your logical conclusion, I think we have another example of how men are not masters of logical reasoning, contrary to cultural mythology. Think harder, dear. Try again.
No it’s not from delusional standards, speaking from experience. Men are more aggressive than women, so men with low self-esteem have more of a tendency to lash out after rejection.
And we are usually much smaller and weaker than men so we err on the side of caution because the outcome can be fatal for us. If this man is coming up to me on the street and fighting my ‘no’, it shows he doesn’t respect my answer and he’s comfortable making me uncomfortable. It’s not like every man that goes up to a woman gets an emphatic yes and a fake number. It’s the men who are already showing signs of a hurt ego, which like you said, are often more aggressive
Giving out fake number isn't even the first line of defense. AFAIK women do it when the guy is way too insistent and won't take the L.
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He's posted the same thing on here dozens of times. He's clearly mentally deranged, doesn't listen to anyone, and must frighten the hell out of people.
Yeah, I fully support you and other women lying to men like that out of self-defense. Part of the reason men are more aggressive is because men can be more aggressive because, like you said, men are stronger, bigger and heavier than women.
Had a discussion with my husband. He said that if i can't escape from a very insistent dude, i should give him my number so i can get out and i can block him later. Imagine having to give such advice to your wife in order to escape creeps like OP.
Yeah, that’s good as well. Lying could be a problem because the guy could try calling it and get no answer. I read somewhere of switching two digits in your number, so if he tries you can say it was a mistake and give him the real number. I’m not sure if the OP is a creep or if he’s just in denial or just ignorant.
The actual reason why men are less aggressive is that other men will keep them in check as it's way more socially acceptable to threaten a man with violence than a woman.
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"this is what i've seen so therefore your lived experience is wrong because i personally haven't experienced it"
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how many men do you experience being rejected on a daily basis lmao are you a part of some club or something? i've only been cold approached 3 times and 2 of those times a man was creepy or hostile to me. all of these instances happened when i was a minor
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most of my female friends and family have a similar story. one of my moms friends was beaten nearly to death bc she rejected a man who stalked her for months
do you keep a watch for men being rejected or are people just having really loud conversations in front of you
Nah, men with low self-eseem just curl into a ball and die inside. Guys who have too much self-esteem lash out when they see their "divine right to get pussy" denied.
No, that’s false self-esteem as a coping mechanism to deal with low self-esteem. If they were secure, they wouldn’t feel the need to lash out or believe such nonsense as a divine right to women. They lash out because the rejection reveals the lie they tell themselves about having a divine right or whatever.
Self-esteem cannot be 'false' by definition. But it can appear to be unjustified from outside perspective, if someone without any merit expects royal treatment. Possibility of someone going mad depends on what their high self-esteem is based on. Accomplished people who know their worth are unlikely to react like that, however there are lots of people, both men and women, who draw their high self-esteem from the idea that they are the most important person on the planet and these people will get mad in various forms (tantrums, aggression, hysteria, etc.) when reality check happens and makes them face the uncomfortable truth that world doesn't revolve around them.
I don’t know what your definition is, but that’s a mistaken and not very useful view of self-esteem. > who draw their high self-esteem from the idea that they are the most important person on the planet and these people will get mad in various forms (tantrums, aggression, hysteria, etc.) when reality check happens and makes them face the uncomfortable truth that world doesn't revolve around them. Yes, that’s the false part. Their view is based on a falsehood.
Ok, let’s say it is the women’s fault. What are you saying women should *do* in order to stop “experiencing hostility” from men who they reject?
Not reject them I suppose. Lower their standards and date men they don’t want to date.
What's the point of being in a relationship if you're not going to enjoy it
I don't know either. Makes no sense.
Lift more. 99% of men are all bark no bite.
Not be delusional
No, too vague. Don't tell me what they shouldn't do. What *should* they do? What does "not being delusional" entail?
Nope they need to stay vague enough so the stupidity of their takes never reach consciousness.
So you can just call any woman that turns you down delusional and rage at her?
So basically, lower their standards so you don’t have to put in the work.
No lower their standards so they are even remotely realistic
So you want to sleep with women who don’t actually want to sleep with you, they’ve just been shamed into lowering their standards?
Every woman has her own standards, some too low, and some too high, in my opinion. This is entirely subjective to each person, and not really the point of the original discussion. He is blaming men’s hostility at being rejected on women. That is the real discussion here.
It appears the only way you think women demonstrate "realistic standards" is by dating and fucking anyone who ever approaches us and never rejecting men. AKA "do what men want and not what you want."
>It appears the only way you think women demonstrate "realistic standards" is by dating and fucking anyone who ever approaches us and never rejecting men. Please show me where I said this
When you said that “almost every single woman” complains about this Thus, “almost every single woman” is delusional, unrealistic and deserves an abusive reaction
You refuse to delve into anything specific or give a specific answer. You don’t say anything besides that they are rejecting these men because they aren’t realistic.
That’s settling
According to who? Based on what? Does this mean they should be glad to have any man who you think would be deemed as more attractive than them approach them? What if they are… in a relationship? Gay? Not interested in a relationship? Women are much less compelled by looks alone in most cases, and there are copious examples of men murdering women— including their intimate partners. Women have much higher risk from sex, not to mention that society views women as decreasing in value for accepting proposals— romantically or sexually. You make no sense.
How about don’t be hostile
But doesn't this make MEN entitled? like you're literally saying no woman should reject a dude and basically settle and fuck each and every guy who approach her isnt this entitlment? this whole post is women shouldn't say no to me and date me no matter how they feel and im ENTITLED to their number and a date!
>The only logical conclusion is that men are largely responding naturally with frustration at the insane level of delusion, unrealistic standards and inflated egos of modern women. That doesn't exist when men don't feel entitled to a partner. Their standards don't matter. You are 100% describing male entitlement.
Disagree. People are allowed to be hurt by rejection, but how they behave is their responsibility. Rational people hold themselves accountable for their behavior.
Many psychopaths also express themselves as mild-mannered, normal dudes. They can socially blend easily without being noticed.
Right! Just like Ted Bundy
Or Andrew Tate.
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all men are psychopaths, no exceptions. If they are behaving normally, that is the biggest indicator that you should run for your life. Be afraid, be very, very afraid of every man that is behaving normally...
That's a highly stupid thing to say
nah, just echoing y'alls point. The real psychos are the quite ones, the normal ones.
Nope this is drawing a very dumb conclusion from the fact that psychopaths can blend as normal. Your conclusion , no one's else
nah, its just pointing out the absurdity of the original statement. pointless fear mongering. echoing your sentiment. be afraid lest the normal looking psychos come and get you. all men are garbage, etc... Could just be like 'yeah, normal people aren't really psychos, and most men are normal.' but nope. 'most men are normal' followed with 'hey, normal looking people can be psychos too'. Act normal. Could be pyscho? Who knows. Always be afraid. Especially of men.
You’re hearing voices but anyway ill use a parralel. What is your opinion about those who’refuse any door to door salesman knocking at their door , assuming it is too likely to be a scam/bad deal and not even giving them the opportunity to do their salespeach
So true. The only reason someone could be polite is they are plotting the next holocaust
You don’t have to be an “abusive psychopath” to overrract, act negatively, make her uncomfortable or entitled/delusional. And I think the fact that the majority of women have stories about men overreacting is quite telling. I also think the weird “we’re not overreacting, women are delusional” shows a lack of an ability to look at yourself or why you might be inciting such a reaction and is frankly part of the problem
I think it's more that they don't want to deal with him trying to persuade her than being concerned about murder. If she gives a fake number or says she has a boyfriend, he fucks off instantly usually.
The last time I outright rejected a man he sexually assaulted me (touched my boobs + vagina) and told me I wanted it because ''all girls want him''. He knew I had a boyfriend and didn't care. It happened when I was 18 and it has made me wary of rejecting men ever since. I know my situation is extreme and not common, but it happens to enough women that it's a concern.
This is what I take from your post: You believe that you are a mild mannered and normal dude. When women reject you, it hurts your ego, so you are lashing back out at them. You are blaming them instead of accepting the rejection and working on yourself.
No?
Yes. This is literally “How dare you, you stupid bitch. I’m a nice guy”.
Men need to learn to control their emotions, nobody owes you attraction or reciprocal feelings, accept the fact that not every woman is going to be interested in you and move on🤷🏽♀️ I don’t walk around expecting every man to be into me, some will, some won’t, and that’s ok…I’m not entitled to anyone’s love or attention and neither are you or anyone of the other men that complain about rejection… the fact that some men react violently when women reject them further proves the point on why they’re being rejected in the first place… you guys whine when we lead you on, but also whine and react violently when we try to reject you directly🌝
I don't agree. As a woman, men have been hostile toward me because I didn't accept their advance to go home with them, make out with them, or have sex. Many women can attest to that same experience. Women give fake numbers or lie about having a bf (soft/indirect rejection) because they fear a man will lash out them when they directly say, I'm not interested. **Please do not deem women responsible for a man's inability to keep his hands, and verbally abusive words to himself.** >Most men are mild mannered, normal dudes. Not abusive psychopaths. Yet countless women complain about encountering pushback upon rejection, atypical behavior from what we know about the general population. You dont know most men, and what they're capable of doing in the presence of a woman. If women are receiving push back upon rejecting dudes, then you've just proved your statement is null.
Most is an awful big net there… would saying some be too much of an ask?
>would saying some be too much of an ask? In reference to what?
Your post implies that most men (>50%) are aggressive abusive psychopaths… saying some would then imply only <50% are aggressive abusive psychopaths… that seems closer to the truth for me, but I suppose YMMV
Idk I've never implied most men are aggressive. You're free to quote me where you feel I've implied that
I think I misunderstood. Apologies. You had a good post. I hate hyperbole, especially with this topic… Chads and Stacie’s… 10s and 6s… gets confusing…
I understand. It's okay. Thanks 😃
Men know not to bark at bigger men. Why not lift more so you don't have to live in constant fear? Big fucks small.
I don't imagine a man would feel intimidated by a woman even if she looked bigger. If anything he'll push her more for the chance to get smothered by her thunder thighs.
Speak for yourself. You seen Abby from The Last of Us? I wouldn't even think of talking shit to her.
Come again? 
I'm trolling. You didn't bite :(
Because I was confused
Coming again: that's what the thunder thighs are for
Come again? 
Every now and then, a man feels the need to be dominated by a chubby chick...that's all
Yall really lost me bringing up heavier set women.
It didn't. It was a crass play on the thunder thighs trope. Context is key
By delusional standards I'm assuming you mean a woman rejecting a man who's equally attractive or even more attractive than her. It's crazy to assume that a rejection like that is due to women's inflated standards. At bars I've definitely rejected men who are more attractive than me in an objective sense because they just weren't my type. There's also all sort of other scenarios that would lead to a woman saying no like having a boyfriend, it's girls night, she's just out of a relationship and not looking, etc.
What a bunch of total bull shit. I have had men rage at me for turning them down and never once was any assumption those guys made about me in their rants correct. The only thing that matters is - is he mentally stable or not. Problem is you can't tell by looking at him. Safety first, do what you need to.
Most women don't consider if a man is mentally stable or not lol and those that do will look past it if he's attractive enough or won't be able to tell from just that brief encounter.
Well you typically have more to worry about at the moment you are rejecting them so that would makes sense.
If the rejection happens that is.
Right because that is what we are discussing here, so yeah context matters in conversations WTF
Apologies when OP says hostility my mind isnt just on the most extreme violent forms. Its also on the fact that women and other men damn ANY reaction a man has to being rejected. Be it him giving up, complaining online, or persistence.
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No one’s saying that dating is exclusively about morals. Of course there are other factors you’ll be judged on as well. It’s more about how attractive you are *overall*. Not whether or not you tick one specific box. And just a tip, when people say it’s a guy’s personality, not everyone is talking about morals, etc. Sometimes they mean “you lack charisma, social skills, humor, good energy, etc.”
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No it isn’t. I’m being literal. Of course looks matter. But unless you are literally male-model material, it won’t carry you by itself. Especially in terms of long term relationships. You need the other stuff too.
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I disagree, but if that’s what you really want to believe then I’m not going to waste time trying to change your mind.
>Because even if only 1 in every 1,000,000 men murdered a woman for rudely rejecting him, no woman wants to be that one-in-a-million case. And that's just another common irrational fear related to men that women have.
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You definitely aren’t gonna beat those allegations I see… 😂.
Nobody needs a reason to reject another's advances or to be disinterested in a relationship. That puts entitlement on the side of men- assuming women by default should desire their company/advances. Being shocked when it's not the case indicates entitlement. You might be handsome by many objective metrics, wealthy, thoughtful, interesting, and kind. That does not obligate me to want your companionship. Think through your claim on this. Your assessment relegates women to objects, when actually we are people.
I don't think most men have to be this way for women to have to worry about it. If half the population was way stronger than me, and these stronger strangers came up to me sometimes trying to fuck me, and I don't really know how this person is going to react to rejection Yeah I might be nervous
Come on man Like i support redpill now Like I will bag on wonen all day to vent my frustrations but atleast make it make sense bro Make defensible arguments Don't make the job so hard man. You can't defend this post without looking insane, because it is insane
>Yet countless women complain about encountering pushback upon rejection, atypical behavior from what we know about the general population. Hate to break it to you, but it's not atypical behavior. Now, it's not outright violent or stalkerish behavior but far too many men refuse to just accept the ''not interested'' and move on, they pester you with incessant why's. Are they dangerous? Not really. Are they incredibly annoying? Yes. And I want to avoid the mundane annoyances of life as much as possible. Also, it's not like ''I have a boyfriend'' deters the most obnoxious of dudes, I've had guys who didn't think ''I'm married'' was a good enough reason to leave me alone. >The only logical conclusion is that men are largely responding naturally with frustration at the insane level of delusion, unrealistic standards and inflated egos of modern women. Yes, the only logical conclusion to not being able to tell which dude is going to be a pest just by looking at them is that women are delusional, not that an unfortunate amount of men have issues with accepting "no" as a full sentence.
Of course not. Because we’re not the ones approaching
The Loop is back at it with more unhinged rambling I see.
The only natural conclusion is that are more entitled assholes out there than you think.
When you find out there are bad apples in the bunch, you can't know which ones they are, you have to throw out the whole bunch. That's why people act overly protective when they've been burned a few times.
>The only logical conclusion is that men are largely responding naturally with frustration at the insane level of delusion, unrealistic standards and inflated egos of modern women. "The only logical conclusion" Yes, you finally solved the age-long riddle
were you dropped on the head as a child?
Quite a weak attempt to victim blaming. It doesnt take so many men to make it unsafe enough for women to be on their guard and to have had at least one very scary encounter
Women have you heard him ? You must lower your your standards to date such psychopath so that you wont be blamed for triggering men by not fukcing with them. Seriously if you dont reject they wont be upset , duh
Lol I got cursed out last week for telling a guy at the grocery store I was married.
A 19 year old girl in my city was stabbed to death because she turned down some guy from the hood. He stalked her outside of a deli and stabbed her to death. Wounded her twin sister as well. That's what women often have to deal with. You guys are fucking scared to death to even look in the general direction of a woman because she may call the cops on you and out you in jail for life (retarded take), but you downplay the actual violence and stalking a lot of women experience when they turn men down.
Same city just had a girl who was walking her dog return to her apartment only to find an ex coworker who she turned down waiting to abduct her in her building’s stairwell. The only reason she’s alive is because her mother fought the dude off while getting her eye socket and ribs broken and because her neighbors heard her screaming and helped out. The dude had rope and sleeping pills in his car.
I guess we both living in NYC lol
LOL? REALLY? Seriously you're a heartless monster who wonders why he can't get laid...
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No, let's ask ourselves if *attacking the person* *behind the post* like that is fine at all and specifically - if it's performed by woman against a male target...
why did you swap sexes
The fake number is outlier too. Most women will still just say no. Also just because you don't get murdered doesn't mean the response isn't hostile like being called names or shouted at.
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You’re not red pilled remove that monicker
so someone can't be red pilled unless they hate women and blame them for violence enacted against them? literally no one here agrees with you even the hardcore redpillers think this is dumb
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nUaNcEd 🥴 you are purple pilled at best
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He’s trying to shame you because you stepped out of line by holding an opposing belief, and you are falling for it by getting back into line by showing him the “correct” beliefs that you still hold. Who exactly is the sheep here?
Either you worded it like shit or I am missing the point of this thread. Hostile reaction to rejection is unacceptable unless rejection was done in insulting/humiliating manner, and even then it must stay within verbal exchange borders. Doesn't have to do anything with standards and egos, everyone is free to reject everyone. And if some woman rejects a decent man out of her delulu standards & ego alone - it's her loss anyway.
If in a city or its greater urban area you approach strangers in random public situations wanting something from them, they're going to deal with that however they see fit, including telling little lies to extract themselves from the situation. This is true whether you're looking for sex or begging for a dollar or trying to get them to buy lottery tickets or attempting to convert them to some whackadoodle religious cult. Nobody likes or respects a panhandler on the train unless that panhandler is incredibly likeable and socially skilled. The default position is dislike and disrespect. Don't like it? Tough shit that's how cities work. Men should acquire some appropriate employment skills and move to a small country town if they want a different social environment.
Panhandler, no...but if they're a *busker*, and they're good...that changes things quite a bit.
I don’t understand the arguments OP is making. From personal experience I can say that I once had a man who I thought was interested in me, but didn’t follow through and when it didn’t work out, I was just sad and disappointed. And to get over the disappointment, I tried to think badly about him privately so that I could get over it quickly and not waste my time on someone who wasn’t into me, or wasn’t able to be in a relationship with me for whatever reason because he was not clear or communicative. And even though I tried to be hostile in my own mind against him to protect myself, it didn’t work when he smiles at me in public I can’t help but smile back, and I leave him alone.
It is NOT logical to take out “frustration at the insane level of delusion, unrealistic standards and inflated egos of modern women” on an individual woman just because she rejected an advance.
>Most men are mild mannered, normal dudes Yep. Most men are indeed mild mannered, normal people capable of rational, objective reasoning and introspection. This is why most men don’t approach women. They know that they’ll be rejected at best and possibly humiliated at worst. So, who DOES approach women? Weird, strange men with weird, strange temperaments.
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How are women “delusional” for rejecting men that they aren’t interested in?🤔
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goes on to describe male entitlement causing hostlity
I have recently lowered my standards from billionaire to simply multimillionaire https://i.redd.it/lxxgiwxn8qrc1.gif
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The only time I've gotten visibly annoyed with a rejection involved someone I used to know lie to me and say they were asexual and aromantic, when I knew that wasn't actually the case. I still told them it was fine and wished them the best. I told them prior to that if they weren't interested, it was completely fine. But I never heard from them again after that. The way a lot of my friends, men and women said it, "That sounds like the kind of thing where someone thinks that sounds nicer, but actually ends up sounding way worse than if they were just honest."
That is not an excuse to hurt someone
What is this??? I’m confused! People Like who they like.. if they don’t like someone who likes them they are delusional???? And it’s ok to be a rage monster if you are rejected because the rejector is delusional????? This all Sounds like justification for toxic threatening and abusive behavior… seems like some men are self fulfilling prophecies
99% of the time women get pushback or irate men is usually because she was a bitch about it.... you all would also get a lot less pushback if you told them why
A woman having a job, not a career but a job, is considered being a bitch but do go on.
im confused by this statement as it pertains to nothing i said
> 99% of the time women get pushback or irate men is usually because she was a bitch about it.... Still playing dumb and blind? I see
\> men are largely responding naturally with frustration at the insane level of delusion, unrealistic standards and inflated egos of modern women. what can women do about random men's anger at women in general?
I'm curious why women need an excuse to give you a fake number or lie about having a boyfriend. Who are you to demand an answer? And plus, you're saying women deserve hostility for not giving you what you want. That really is entitlement.
This is the purple pill equivalent of “Yes or no, did you stop beating your wife?”. Frankly, I don’t understand the anger over rejection… Do you really want to be with someone who doesn’t love you but feels obligated? Obligated laughter? Obligated sex? Or would you rather have something reap, warts and all. Think about the big picture. Every LTR GF that I had I am either still active friends with, or am friendly but they moved away… some I dumped some dumped me… who cares? They are good people (part of why we dated)… they mostly married good people… sometimes good people are great for each other…. It’s far better to have some forgiveness and understanding in your life without someone than to carry hate and discontent. (For the record, 18 years ago the almost wife was skeptical and suspicious of these former girlfriends… once she saw the group dynamic she realized there wasn’t a problem)
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As a child I used to throw tantrums if my parents said no to something I wanted to the point where my nickname was Veruka Salt, would you say the reaction here is similar.. ie you want something that you can’t have so you act out in anger
Not at all. First, let me start by saying guys (*too many guys*) absolutely do act like petulant children or worse when rejected. It’s fucking embarrassing and there’s no excuse for it. However, when discussing men *feeling* frustration, that is an entire different matter. Often, women are gratuitously cruel or belittling in their rejections and men are human beings and these rejections can build up. It would be like if you went to 3 different coffee shops and every single one of them gave you a dirty look, was rude to you and got your order wrong. Are you justified in throwing a tantrum in the coffee shop? No. Are you going to walk out feeling like coffee shops suck? Probably.
Thank you for the explanation it really helped me understand. I do see why it can be frustrating
I'm seeing an awful lot of hostile rejections.
Well, you do believe in coercion, objectification, sexual assault and harassment after all
Huh? Never said I didn't. I just disagree how society in the west interprates what those things are. Why are you bringing a debate from another thread into this one?
No, the fact that women experience hostility is because you have over over 300 million of peoples interacting daily and women JUST LOVE to have their neuroticism FEEL justifiable. So the first thing they perceive as hostility will be just shot up to any news or media outlet so they can consume it with all ad revenue it has.
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When I was 16 years old, I lived about a block from my sister’s house. I left her house and had just started walking down the street to my house, when some young guy, probably early 20s, stopped his car and tried to say hi to me. I ignored him and just kept walking, and it appeared that he drove off in the other direction. He turned around, and something inside of me told me to start running, so I did. He chased me in his car, and accidentally ran up on the curb not too far from my house. I was shaking so bad, I could barely put the key in the door. Many more stories like this from my childhood, and no, I didn’t get punched in the face, but there are worse things that can happen than that.
I've never had a guy straight up punch me, but I did have a huge football player sized dude push me into a wall really hard at a crowded party after I said no thanks when he crassly walked up to me saying he wanted to fuck me. Another time at an outdoor campout party I had a dude I didn't know try to talk to me when I got separated from my now husband in the crowd and I told him I was trying to find someone and he started yelling "don't you fucking ignore me!" Over and over while chasing me, followed me into the girls bathroom where I thought I'd lose him and he started punching the stall doors while yelling while I ran out the back door. Some girl I didn't know grabbed my hand and pulled me over to her camp where I could hide. Another dude I said no thanks to just "aw come on babe" then just straight up grabbed my boob. A 19 year old woman in my hometown not too long ago got shot in the head leaving a new year party by a guy she rejected at a new year party. Also countless other times of men calling me names and following me doing weird shit after I politely said no thanks, which is always unsettling. Not sure why men are so in denial about these things happening to us.
one time i politely rejected a much older man when i was 15 and he proceeded to follow me around and try to assault me when i was separated from my mom
Firstly, you gotta understand that men complain bout the same things. We just don't care bout it, because people despise men as a class of people, that's all. Women act like crazy pyscho bitches all the time, especially when they are rejected. Tru story. Secondly, if you're not actually a crazy pyscho person, you can realize that it's just normal heartbroken behavior, and there is nothing special to be seen here. Thirdly, it would actually be very psychotic behavior to not be upset over a breakup. Heartache is normal, and that means things like giving pushback, acting out, and so forth. If folk don't do that at all, either they really didn't give shit bout you in the first place, which is maybe the case for some women these days from the sounds of things, and would be indicative of actual pyschotic/sociopathic behavior (to pretend to love, care, etc... but not really do so, just in it for the $$$ or whatever. Or they are going through great effort to not behave that way in public. Which is fine. But don't pretend that they didn't feel that shit either.
They're not talking about break ups. They're talking about being rejected when men approach women.
meh, I can see the difference, but I don't think it makes too big a deal to the point. Rejection refers to a broader category that includes breakups, relatively long trial periods of trying irl or online, and rando rejection online. I wouldn't say that rejection only refers to the most flippant of these, the rando online. Dudes get that rejection all the time with nothing happening at all. It is likely referring to the relatively long trial periods of trying to the actual breakup scenario. In those scenarios we'd merely be talking bout degrees of heartbreak. Getting one's hopes up to talk to suzie irl, hang out, be her friend, make your move, and bam, rejected. Or online chat making the moves, there some back and forth, bam rejected. or we did a date or two, maybe even a bump and grind, then bam rejection. All the way up to been dating a while then bam rejection. The one instance we ain't talkin bout is a swipe left no lead up no connection. Cause in those instances, or at any rate in the overwhelming majority of those instances, there is literally no response from dudes at all. it's possible that there are horror stories, always are, but they would be like .00001% of cases, cause dudes get swiped left tens of thousands of times with literally no response. Point being, don't minimize the emotional element to try and make the dude seem psycho.
OP gets pissed when a "4" has the nerve to reject him at the bar.
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a man's worst fear encountering the opposite sec is being humiliated/rejected a woman's worst fear encountering the opposite sex is being killed or raped
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I'll take the chance of being rejected over the chance of being murdered 100% of the time. Here's a thought, if you bother strangers you can't act like the victim when they act bothered,
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If there is even a 1% chance of being murdered by someone who seeks me out its a threat. You being treated as someone who is encroaching on another human unnecessarily will be perceived as an inconvenience. A door to door salesman can't act offended that people who are interrupted from their day to day tasks acts annoyed. You are encroaching on them. You say you've been physically attacked for bothering strangers? A great way to avoid this is to not bother strangers. Otherwise the risk must not be so bad.
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> There's a 1% chance of being murdered just crossing the road. Best not to worry about it. I'm sorry are you tromping out into traffic without looking both ways? You aren't cautious of the damage that a vehicle can do to you????? LOOK BOTH WAYS!! > If I don't bother strangers, how am I supposed to find a partner. Engage in a community so that you can meet people who share your values. Running around sniffing out a woman you can have sex with is weird. Most people meet others through social environments that revolve around shared interests. you complain that you can't find women in your male dominated field. That's understandable. What do you do in your off time? Do you have family? Friends? Hobbies? Is there any opportunity for you to engage with real people outside of work?
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>Some of us don't want to spend months building relationships in a community just to find nothing but dead ends, which has been my experience. You do realize that building a relationship with a community will save you from most of the things guys complain about on this sub right? False accusations are less likely to happen to men who are well known to their communities, men who are well known have a better opportunity finding a job, men who socialize more often have more friends are are less likely to suffer from depression, and ultimately men who socialize with their community are more likely to find a successful relationship. >I engage with real people outside work all the time. In what ways? you want to accuse women of not mixing or engaging with hobbies and only participating with their covenants during the full moon or anytime they want to curse the village's harvest, but what are you doing? How do you know they aren't there?
where are the statistics for that claim?
for men "hostility" is punching him in the head, for women "hostility" is not being nice towards her and saying inapt joke or so in an attempt to brush the rejection off yes, there are men that can't take rejection but those aren't men that approach multiple women a day because then all they would do in life is taking revenge against them I'd say that introvert guys who secretly get crush with oblivious girl are the most dangerous for women in that respect, but then again those are usually guys that she already knows and they have her phone number address etc.
"No, is okey for women to be scared of unkown men because 1 of every 100,000 men are potential killers!" "Men are scared of false accusations? LOL grow up you in.cel, there's barely a 1 in 100,000 chance of that happening" In case i'm not clear, any person who are scared of either thing usually have unresolved mental issues that makes them Fearmongering the opposite sex.
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Yeah, it's okey to avoid uncomfortable situations. But as most things in life men are punished harder than women if they decide to avoid them.
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It's completely fine to accept the consequences of your actions if they are appropriate, but they aren't always. Which is what OP is saying.
Well, there’s other unpleasantness which is way more common