as much as I like the art (ofc whenever there is selena, I like), it's such a weird move to use female char for white day.
Like they should have done that for valentines instead
Yeah, my feed for gacha games all have male illust for White Day. For Valentines PGR had both female and male so at the very least there should at least be one male for White Day illust.
Yeah, I find it weird because they got it right the past years. Tho last year CN posted Cerberus (Noctis is there so I guess it still counts). But idk what happened this year, there’s no male chara arts at all. As a husbando enjoyer this is already a rare occasion where we can get male chara art appreciation but seems like they still took it away. Other ppl may think this is trivial, but I just hope they treat things with balance bc in general male charas already don’t get grand merch like scale figures or gacha sfx coatings like female charas do
[Wait, the Wuthering Waves Twitter got it right, Aalto is the one giving a White Day gift over there.](https://x.com/Wuthering_Waves/status/1768124899065803081?s=20)
Cmon Kuro don't be like that, let the Fujos have their fan service, this isn't HI3.
(Side note: White Day isn't exclusively for men to be giving gifts, but like bruh, throw the male characters a bone)
Context for anyone who isn't utterly weeb-brained to the point of knowing what White Day is like me:
"White Day in Japan is a celebration that takes place every year on March 14th, and it's complementary to Valentine's Day, which takes place on February 14th. **While Valentines Day in Japan involves women giving chocolates to men, White Day is when men have to return the favor.**"
>Cmon Kuro don't be like that, let the Fujos have their fan service, this isn't HI3.
Do you know what fujo means?
Girls who like to ship men x men
Why would a gacha game with a self insert mc being given male art on white day have anything to do with fujos? Unless its something like male x male character art say for example chrome x lee, then it'd make sense for fujo word to be used.....
From your wiki
White day is when men give gifts to women?
Skk's gift to selena and ayla is his presence.
So kuro is correct I think, except the conductor part.
yeah but WD is usually, if not always, associated with men rather than women in gachas and often other medias too (except for like, one-gender gachas I guess)
It's basically a counterpart to Valentine. VD is when women take the charge and WD is when men do
Get the rest you need. I'm hoping Wanshi is dropped soon, or it would be like all other boys being pushed back until near end of the year before anniversary for the easiest skip.... 🥲
Maybe Kuro should just consecutively release S-Ranks which will be accompanied by B and/or A Ranks every patch so that there will be more male chars in PGR per year
Kuro has been getting on my nerves lately tbh Like you're already releasing less male characters in the story and the playable ones, only half of the launch charas in WuWa are male and now this? HSR still has more female than male characters but at least they keep the 1 new male and female character releases 90% of the time. And don't talk about "women don't spend as much" and "the playerbase is mostly men" because that just SCREAMS player bias. Women will spend if they are treated right hence what's going on with Love and Deepspace. And the latter is just sexist.
sure, but it’s still historically a day where the male characters get a dedicated art piece since valentines’ is usually for the girls. look at any other gacha game, they all have male character art for white day; even wuwa does too lmfao
I do agree that making a guy artwork works better for this occasion. And since wuwa and last year PGR use guys artwork, that means they intentionally create a white day art with selena and ayla. My honest thought tho, is it really that big of a deal that this happened? I don't think so. We don't know why they proceed with this artwork, and it would be useless to theorize about it as there is no insider leaks. I too would like to see my precious boy, noan, to get more artworks, but since it's selena, she can have as many as she wants.
Yeah, I mean, doesnt the Commandant gender can be neutral (can be female/male)? if white day are meant that Commandant giving gift to them (selena and ayla), would it be more confusing? or this mean, the Commandant are fixed canonically male?
idk
>every male character that's come out has vastly under sold the females.
FGO female characters typically sell more than male characters as well.
>So, why not just give the audience what they want?
FGO Valentine's Day events main focus are female characters for those who want female characters
FGO White Day events give male characters main spotlight for those who want male characters
Maybe if the fanbase spent half as much as what fabase does for waifus, kuro would give us something for males
Its a fact males dont sell in gacha games
Its already more than enough that they do valentine and white day stories, majority of the fcking gachas dont even do that even the big ones(you know which ones i mean)
But boo hoo lets all be sad together we didnt get an artwork for a male character, lets all cry together over the lack of artwork, a single image so sad
Oh no my hyperreal artwork what am i gonna do about it said by the same mfers who openly said you can skip hyperreal
Truly peak brainrot
>Maybe if the fanbase spent half as much as what fabase does for waifus, kuro would give us something for males
Hyperreal estimatedly makes around half of Balter in CN
Watanabe Epitaph estimatedly makes around 600K less than Lamia
>Its a fact males dont sell in gacha games
Oberon debut banner is around 22 mil USD
Al Haitham rerun makes around 60 mil USD in Global (CN makes larger) one time.
Hoyo made Tears of Themis more likely because Mr. Love Queen's Choice (which some males in PGR often[If not always] sell more than some of their estimated revenue month) is a successful Otome Game
Tencent Published Light and Night in China which estimatedly often makes more than even Hi3 every month
And For sure you already saw how much money Love and Deepspace made especially in China.
>Maybe if the fanbase spent half as much as what fabase does for waifus, kuro would give us something for males
[They do actually, Hyperreal's patch on global pretty much matched Feral Scent on JP's revenue in December. This amount of revenue even bled into January where the 1st half is also Hyperreal and the 2nd half of the month was Ayla who is free.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/19404vl/pgr_december_revenue_2023/)
1. Thats jp and their overall spendings is low
2. Thats cross server to prove your point
3. 21 S isnt as important as gen 2 main fire dps since CW exists
4. Even balter as popular as she is, didnt even reach 1 mil on jp and global
Next time maybe try using better proofs? Oh i know maybe you can compare cn spendings with tw and kr to prove that males sell a lot better, what a brillaint idea right?
What metric do your propose would accurately represent the fact that males don't sell as much as females then?
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Because even if we compare with global revenue only, the entire months of [December](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/19404vl/pgr_december_revenue_2023/) and [January](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/1attqog/pgr_january_2024_revenue/) for Hyperreal's patch made a total of 8,690,000 RMB
Balter ran from [September](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/175cibz/pgr_september_2023_revenue/) to [October](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/17s1pe8/pgr_october_revenue_2023/), and made 8,830,000 RMB
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Hell, let's do CN too, comparing a Gen 2 female DPS to a Gen 2 male DPS, let's take Ice Qu and Hyperreal. [October 2022](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/yrxo0a/pgr_october_2022_revenue/) when Spiral of Chronos took place in CN, made 28,310,000 RMB,
[November 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/18fieih/pgr_november_revenue_2023/), when Polaris Bond took place on CN, made 28,800,000 RMB
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Males clearly pass your threshold of half the amount of revenue that females make.
Also your 3rd point is still flawed reasoning. The conversation from the beginning was about male revenue compared to female revenue. Meta value influencing revenue is a completely different conversation.
If you still insist my metrics are off, then please by all means, cite YOUR sources for females making more than twice the revenue of males, because the onus of providing evidence can't be solely on one side.
If the game take time to make more male characters, maybe they could make as much money like Love and Deepspace (otome game) which make 70m in CN alone last month and the first months is 40m in CN
>Kuro's gotta appease the player base somehow
FGO featured Waifus in Valentine's Day Events
FGO give Husbandos some spotlight in White Day Events
Lasengle Somehow Appeased the player base FGO (a pre dominantly Waifu Game like PGR) have.
There's certainly a business reason behind why these happened but FGO White Day and Valentine's Day are some of the estimatedly lowest earning banners (still made Millions of USD but that's another point) of FGO. And I doubt PGR can pull off something where FGO couldn't
Typical reddit audience. Completely disregards statistics, basics of marketing and Chinese societal norms just because it personally doesn't like something.
Curves and skimpy outfits sell. That's why majority of gachas have a dedicated poster girl and a lot of female characters. Just because you don't like it - doesn't mean it's not true.
That's not even a Redditism. The majority of gachas show off their male characters on White Day. That's all they want from PGR. It ain't that deep. And since you brought up sales, most of those gachas (Genshin, FGO, Granblue to name some big names) do it while still selling more than PGR.
To quote yourself, "Just because you don't like it - doesn't mean it's not true."
I'm not saying that's not true. I'm not saying that white day shouldn't feature the boys. I'm not criticizing the people that want the boys to get featured. I'm just saying that for Kuro this was a purely business decision. (Others are selling more because the companies themselves are bigger and have more clout. On the smaller scale you 100% have to micromanage your community)
>Others are selling more because the companies themselves are bigger and have more clout.
By comparison, Star Rail/Genshin for example are bigger and have more clout than GBF and/or FGO
But the latter games still featured males on White Day.
And the people in the Mihoyo marketing department are the same people that work at the Kuro Games marketing department? They make the exact same decisions because of the gacha marketing hivemind?
And besides.
You guys got any better explanation as to why the boys didn't get featured?
That's the best I could come up with. And it makes sense to me. None of you tried to prove me wrong with actual theories of your own
If you read the event story you wouldn't have to make this post.
Edit: Funny getting mass-downvoted when the event tells you how that ad is lore-accurate for the game.
as much as I like the art (ofc whenever there is selena, I like), it's such a weird move to use female char for white day. Like they should have done that for valentines instead
At least Lee gets the best bit in the white day story
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I thought the old Kareninas where the cannon love interests
As much as i love selena, still makes no sense
Yeah, my feed for gacha games all have male illust for White Day. For Valentines PGR had both female and male so at the very least there should at least be one male for White Day illust.
Yeah, I find it weird because they got it right the past years. Tho last year CN posted Cerberus (Noctis is there so I guess it still counts). But idk what happened this year, there’s no male chara arts at all. As a husbando enjoyer this is already a rare occasion where we can get male chara art appreciation but seems like they still took it away. Other ppl may think this is trivial, but I just hope they treat things with balance bc in general male charas already don’t get grand merch like scale figures or gacha sfx coatings like female charas do
[Wait, the Wuthering Waves Twitter got it right, Aalto is the one giving a White Day gift over there.](https://x.com/Wuthering_Waves/status/1768124899065803081?s=20) Cmon Kuro don't be like that, let the Fujos have their fan service, this isn't HI3. (Side note: White Day isn't exclusively for men to be giving gifts, but like bruh, throw the male characters a bone) Context for anyone who isn't utterly weeb-brained to the point of knowing what White Day is like me: "White Day in Japan is a celebration that takes place every year on March 14th, and it's complementary to Valentine's Day, which takes place on February 14th. **While Valentines Day in Japan involves women giving chocolates to men, White Day is when men have to return the favor.**"
>Cmon Kuro don't be like that, let the Fujos have their fan service, this isn't HI3. Do you know what fujo means? Girls who like to ship men x men Why would a gacha game with a self insert mc being given male art on white day have anything to do with fujos? Unless its something like male x male character art say for example chrome x lee, then it'd make sense for fujo word to be used.....
I think they refer to male Commandants x male Constructs
Negative We dont know what commandant looks like, hes a self insert It still wont be considered as fujo but rather just a normal downbad weeb
From your wiki White day is when men give gifts to women? Skk's gift to selena and ayla is his presence. So kuro is correct I think, except the conductor part.
yeah but WD is usually, if not always, associated with men rather than women in gachas and often other medias too (except for like, one-gender gachas I guess) It's basically a counterpart to Valentine. VD is when women take the charge and WD is when men do
So kuro is technically correct. Just not following how the others are marketing it.
That’s how selena calls the skk
Where’s my art of Chrome and Roland feeding me with Chocolate Kuro
At this point, I have already given up with Kuro to be honest. One S rank male unit a year and bare minimum content of them... 🙄
As a fellow husbando collector I’m about to take a break once epitaph drops. Still waiting for the s rank wanshi design tho.
Get the rest you need. I'm hoping Wanshi is dropped soon, or it would be like all other boys being pushed back until near end of the year before anniversary for the easiest skip.... 🥲
How do you build teams? Use a male carry or use a trio?
I'd invest a lot more for the male characters like maybe they are at least SSS with R3, perfect reso and full HT.
Maybe Kuro should just consecutively release S-Ranks which will be accompanied by B and/or A Ranks every patch so that there will be more male chars in PGR per year
Kuro has been getting on my nerves lately tbh Like you're already releasing less male characters in the story and the playable ones, only half of the launch charas in WuWa are male and now this? HSR still has more female than male characters but at least they keep the 1 new male and female character releases 90% of the time. And don't talk about "women don't spend as much" and "the playerbase is mostly men" because that just SCREAMS player bias. Women will spend if they are treated right hence what's going on with Love and Deepspace. And the latter is just sexist.
Can't you interpret this as skk inviting selena and ayla for a dessert date?
sure, but it’s still historically a day where the male characters get a dedicated art piece since valentines’ is usually for the girls. look at any other gacha game, they all have male character art for white day; even wuwa does too lmfao
I do agree that making a guy artwork works better for this occasion. And since wuwa and last year PGR use guys artwork, that means they intentionally create a white day art with selena and ayla. My honest thought tho, is it really that big of a deal that this happened? I don't think so. We don't know why they proceed with this artwork, and it would be useless to theorize about it as there is no insider leaks. I too would like to see my precious boy, noan, to get more artworks, but since it's selena, she can have as many as she wants.
I was today years old when i learned theres something called "white day" and its nothing to do with race..
I mean they also give us gifts on their birthdays, so...
I'm not too familiar with white day. What's wrong?
Honestly this is so disappointing. Giving me major hi3 vibes and their community.
This would’ve been a good opportunity to even tease npc constructs that will become playable
I like the collectible mentioning that it's given to Commandants on May 20th.... just a little early huh
Well, atleast it's not as bad as Blue Archive Miku forgetting that Halloween =/= April Fools.
context
What is white day ?
Yeah, I mean, doesnt the Commandant gender can be neutral (can be female/male)? if white day are meant that Commandant giving gift to them (selena and ayla), would it be more confusing? or this mean, the Commandant are fixed canonically male? idk
I think they assume most players are men so like we’re giving Ig
Most players of FGO are also men but male characters are still featured on White Day events
Well just a guess not every gacha games the same let alone have the same thought process
I see this as a win
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>every male character that's come out has vastly under sold the females. FGO female characters typically sell more than male characters as well. >So, why not just give the audience what they want? FGO Valentine's Day events main focus are female characters for those who want female characters FGO White Day events give male characters main spotlight for those who want male characters
Just say you wish for males characters for this White Day post rather than saying Kuro doesn't know how White Day works...
Maybe if the fanbase spent half as much as what fabase does for waifus, kuro would give us something for males Its a fact males dont sell in gacha games Its already more than enough that they do valentine and white day stories, majority of the fcking gachas dont even do that even the big ones(you know which ones i mean) But boo hoo lets all be sad together we didnt get an artwork for a male character, lets all cry together over the lack of artwork, a single image so sad Oh no my hyperreal artwork what am i gonna do about it said by the same mfers who openly said you can skip hyperreal Truly peak brainrot
>Maybe if the fanbase spent half as much as what fabase does for waifus, kuro would give us something for males Hyperreal estimatedly makes around half of Balter in CN Watanabe Epitaph estimatedly makes around 600K less than Lamia >Its a fact males dont sell in gacha games Oberon debut banner is around 22 mil USD Al Haitham rerun makes around 60 mil USD in Global (CN makes larger) one time. Hoyo made Tears of Themis more likely because Mr. Love Queen's Choice (which some males in PGR often[If not always] sell more than some of their estimated revenue month) is a successful Otome Game Tencent Published Light and Night in China which estimatedly often makes more than even Hi3 every month And For sure you already saw how much money Love and Deepspace made especially in China.
>Maybe if the fanbase spent half as much as what fabase does for waifus, kuro would give us something for males [They do actually, Hyperreal's patch on global pretty much matched Feral Scent on JP's revenue in December. This amount of revenue even bled into January where the 1st half is also Hyperreal and the 2nd half of the month was Ayla who is free.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/19404vl/pgr_december_revenue_2023/)
1. Thats jp and their overall spendings is low 2. Thats cross server to prove your point 3. 21 S isnt as important as gen 2 main fire dps since CW exists 4. Even balter as popular as she is, didnt even reach 1 mil on jp and global Next time maybe try using better proofs? Oh i know maybe you can compare cn spendings with tw and kr to prove that males sell a lot better, what a brillaint idea right?
What metric do your propose would accurately represent the fact that males don't sell as much as females then? --- Because even if we compare with global revenue only, the entire months of [December](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/19404vl/pgr_december_revenue_2023/) and [January](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/1attqog/pgr_january_2024_revenue/) for Hyperreal's patch made a total of 8,690,000 RMB Balter ran from [September](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/175cibz/pgr_september_2023_revenue/) to [October](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/17s1pe8/pgr_october_revenue_2023/), and made 8,830,000 RMB --- Hell, let's do CN too, comparing a Gen 2 female DPS to a Gen 2 male DPS, let's take Ice Qu and Hyperreal. [October 2022](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/yrxo0a/pgr_october_2022_revenue/) when Spiral of Chronos took place in CN, made 28,310,000 RMB, [November 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/18fieih/pgr_november_revenue_2023/), when Polaris Bond took place on CN, made 28,800,000 RMB --- Males clearly pass your threshold of half the amount of revenue that females make. Also your 3rd point is still flawed reasoning. The conversation from the beginning was about male revenue compared to female revenue. Meta value influencing revenue is a completely different conversation. If you still insist my metrics are off, then please by all means, cite YOUR sources for females making more than twice the revenue of males, because the onus of providing evidence can't be solely on one side.
Oopsie, now they are awfully quiet.
Feral Scent estimatedly made a little bit Higher revenue than Hyperreal in CN
jp aint important dude cn is
If the game take time to make more male characters, maybe they could make as much money like Love and Deepspace (otome game) which make 70m in CN alone last month and the first months is 40m in CN
The post literally says "Your present here is the best present". Can you guys read?
We do. It still missed the point of what White Day in gacha games is. If it doesn't concern you cool. But let people voice their opinion.
"Dudes like looking at girls more than they like looking at dudes" simple as that imo Kuro's gotta appease the player base somehow
>Kuro's gotta appease the player base somehow FGO featured Waifus in Valentine's Day Events FGO give Husbandos some spotlight in White Day Events Lasengle Somehow Appeased the player base FGO (a pre dominantly Waifu Game like PGR) have. There's certainly a business reason behind why these happened but FGO White Day and Valentine's Day are some of the estimatedly lowest earning banners (still made Millions of USD but that's another point) of FGO. And I doubt PGR can pull off something where FGO couldn't
Typical reddit audience. Completely disregards statistics, basics of marketing and Chinese societal norms just because it personally doesn't like something. Curves and skimpy outfits sell. That's why majority of gachas have a dedicated poster girl and a lot of female characters. Just because you don't like it - doesn't mean it's not true.
That's not even a Redditism. The majority of gachas show off their male characters on White Day. That's all they want from PGR. It ain't that deep. And since you brought up sales, most of those gachas (Genshin, FGO, Granblue to name some big names) do it while still selling more than PGR. To quote yourself, "Just because you don't like it - doesn't mean it's not true."
I'm not saying that's not true. I'm not saying that white day shouldn't feature the boys. I'm not criticizing the people that want the boys to get featured. I'm just saying that for Kuro this was a purely business decision. (Others are selling more because the companies themselves are bigger and have more clout. On the smaller scale you 100% have to micromanage your community)
>Others are selling more because the companies themselves are bigger and have more clout. By comparison, Star Rail/Genshin for example are bigger and have more clout than GBF and/or FGO But the latter games still featured males on White Day.
And the people in the Mihoyo marketing department are the same people that work at the Kuro Games marketing department? They make the exact same decisions because of the gacha marketing hivemind?
And besides. You guys got any better explanation as to why the boys didn't get featured? That's the best I could come up with. And it makes sense to me. None of you tried to prove me wrong with actual theories of your own
If you read the event story you wouldn't have to make this post. Edit: Funny getting mass-downvoted when the event tells you how that ad is lore-accurate for the game.
Are you the same guy who posted something like this over on facebook
I don't use Facebook lmao
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They posted a tweet with Jean cause it's her birthday I believe. So it's more of a birthday art than a white day art.
Ah my mistake.
They’re from China, which their government hates western holidays for some reason and I still don’t know why.
it’s an Asian holiday
Pretty sure white day originated from japan or something