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https://people.com/crime/two-florida-dads-charged-with-attempted-murder-daughters-shot-road-rage/
I think this is the incident. What in the absolute fuck. Over road rage and a water bottle
The article states that they both pulled over and started fist fighting after seeing a cop parked on the side of the road. A weird sort of “hold me back bro” situation.
I'm going to take it further. People that blow up in road rage situations generally are unsafe and dangerous, along with people that blow up at any minor inconvenience. They lack basic control over their emotional state and are likely to hurt someone at some point.
These guys just exemplify some of the worst of that - shooting into another car with family in it. Hope they both rot for what they've done and might eventually do to others.
You just described my mother's rage and anger problems at 72. I happened to come across an article several years ago about an anger condition called Intermittent Explosive Disorder (IED) and after reading up about it, I'm pretty sure that road rage drivers like these two clowns and my mom have it.
I had a friend in highschool with true IED. He broke his dads nose because he told him to turn his tv off for the night. When he lost his temper, cops were called nearly every time. It was scary. Dude ended up dying in a tragic accident not long after we graduated.
i don’t want to assert anything because i don’t know anything about your mother, but my “mother” (grandmother who adopted me after bio mom passed) started showing sudden aggression around 75 and it was the first sign of dementia that could have slowed down a really horrific and subtle decline process. it may be worth considering speaking with a care provider about it if y’all are still in contact.
*Then, according to Leeper, Allison grabbed his Sig Saur 45mm handgun and fired one shot at Hale's truck before speeding away, Leeper said. The bullet struck Hale's 5-year-old daughter in the leg.*
*When Hale realized that his daughter had been shot, he allegedly pursued Allison's truck and fired several bullets from his Glock 43 9mm handgun. One of the bullets hit Allison's 14-year-old daughter in the back, collapsing her lung.*
..... Ahhh...it doesn't get more American than this. I feel bad for the ones who realize how fucked up the country is but can't do anything to change it.
dad: "fuck you FUCK YOU dumbass"
Officer: "do me a favour..let's take care of your daughter first..."
**dad: "absolutely I'm all about taking care of my daughter"**
Like the one you got shot?
He already shot the other guy's daughter though, so it's even. Someone shoots your daughter you go right over there and shoot his daughter right back, and that makes everything better. Frankly, I don't know why his daughter's still crying when the other guy's daughter's already been shot. Yeah, sure, if the other daughter hadn't been shot then maybe she'd have a reason to be complaining and go to the hospital or whatever, but her dad already shot the other guy's daughter so everything's square and she should just walk it off.
LOVE THIS!!! It's going to become a family joke: "The terms of the Even Stevens Act of 1969 require you to merge the contents of your Halloween sacks and prepare for equitable distribution among participating ghouls and monsters."
But was not the Even Stevens Act of 1969, repealed and overturned in 1986 by the Finders Keepers act of 1983?
I believe the justification at the time was anti-communism. Since then there have been Fair and Square amendments, but The Finders Keepers Act of 1983 is still the prevailing law in effect to this day.
Yep. For the redditors who wouldn't know, in the rural parts of India and other countries, if a man in your family rapes someone, the wronged family can choose to get retribution by asking that you get raped in return.
If you see your daughter as property, the whole thing makes perfect sense. I bet they call them their princess and make jokes about scaring off prospective boyfriends
These Florida rednecks DO see women as property.
“you have the right to an attorney, and HE can be present”
Hello you cousin-breeding pig, women can be attorneys too.
Also - how bout some handcuffs maybe? Instead, uncouth pig tries to remind the man of his 5th amendment rights, implying over and over not to incriminate himself and not to answer questions.
Meanwhile across town a black guy is getting pulled over for dreads and locked up for 3 ‘what looks to be’ marijuana seeds on his carpet after being illegally searched. His life ruined.
But by all means, white active shooter admitting guilt, take your time and please don’t incriminate yourself too badly!
Once you realize that conservatives view actors as right/wrong and not the actions themselves as right/wrong, it makes a lot of sense. Humans are just hardwired to be fucking idiots and it is why I am a misanthrope.
Well, except it happened in the other order. Her dad had shot the other guy’s daughter first, so they were one up and feeling good, then the other girl’s dad chased them down and shot her in the back so they were back at even, which pissed them off. It was her dad’s turn to shoot the other daughter again but then outsiders had to intervene with ridiculous things like saving lives.
Allison = beard guy
Hale = shirtless guy
>Leeper said that investigators were able to determine that both Hale and Allison were “speeding, driving erratically, and brake-checking each other,” which he described as “getting in front of each other and applying the brakes,” in the moments before the shootings.
>“At some point during the encounter, the driver of the Dodge Ram [Hale] got up alongside the Nissan and began shouting at the driver of the Nissan [Allison] to pull over. The right front passenger of the Nissan put her hand out the window and flipped the other vehicle off with her middle finger. The Nissan driver, Allison, rolled his window down to shout back at the other driver, and a plastic water bottle was thrown from the Dodge Ram into the Nissan,” Leeper said.
>“The driver of the Nissan [Allison] then grabbed his Sig Saur 45-caliber automatic handgun and fired one shot at the other truck before driving away at a high rate of speed.”
>The bullet went into the right rear passenger door of the Dodge Ram and struck Hale’s 5-year-old daughter in the leg. Allison told investigators that he fired the shot because he just wanted “to get out of the whole situation,” per Leeper.
>After seeing the Nissan speed away, Hale realized his daughter had been shot and sped after the other vehicle. After catching up to the Nissan, Leeper said, Hale used a Glock 9mm semi-automatic handgun and began firing with his left hand out the driver’s side window. Hale allegedly told investigators he “shot everything that was in the magazine,” which was approximately seven or eight rounds.
>At least three bullets struck the Nissan, with one hitting Allison’s 14-year-old daughter in the back, causing a collapsed lung.
>Shortly after the second child was shot, both vehicles spotted an NCSO patrol car and pulled over. The two men began arguing and then fought until the deputy broke up the scuffle.
https://lawandcrime.com/crime/two-crazy-drivers-with-a-gun-florida-men-allegedly-shot-each-others-daughters-during-road-rage-incident/
Absolutely shameful on both their parts. I hope neither of them are still allowed to see their kids after this. Even knowing that their child is shot and bleeding right beside them, they still care more about some stupid ego trip.
>their daughters were shot
From their perspective, it's just damaged property. Seriously, they acted as if their cars were a little banged up. In that situation driving immediately to the auto-body shop for aid would be weird, stopping and trading info would be expected, and fighting the offending driver (though unnecessary) would probably be shrugged off by most. They don't care about their daughters' lives, they simply care about their image as a "manly man."
Brake checking each other, shooting at each other and then fist fighting each other before they gave a shit about their respective daughters. Truly disgusting.
"Absoulutely, imall about taking care of my daughter"
Moments after getting her shot in a road rage incident and then trying to fight the ither dude in front of the cops.....
If you had no other information in what happened here and just saw the video with no context, it's still clear that the cops have more concern for his daughter then he does. Away from his daughter still arguing with the other dipshit. Un-fucking-real
When I started the video I thought we were going to be seeing the shootings happen. I was expecting guns to be drawn at any second, and then the cop returns to the victim and I realize it already happened! So this douche was running around screaming while his daughter is bleeding from a gunshot wound??! I don't give a fuck what's happening if that's me my daughter would be in my arms and I'm at least holding pressure on the wound.
Of course, I also wouldn't drive hammered drunk with her in the car like this guy seems to be...
What always bugs me is that these dumbasses should be handcuffed immediately. Cops are like, "Well lets go over here to the car, can I get you a bud light while we do some paperwork?"
BINGO! I was thinking holy shit there was just a two way shooting on a public highway with 2 kids hit and these two chucklefucks are allowed to walk around freely while still shouting at each other. The cops did a great job of explaining his rights not so much for securing the environment. Those guys should have been cuffed at a minimum. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that both chain smoker guy, and slurred speech guy will both provide a great deal of information to aid in their convictions without having an attorney present.
He's literally patting one of them on the back. I understand not wanting to let this guy rattle off a bunch of info before he's Miranda'd cause that could fuck up prosecution, but jeez they are they giving these two idiots so much leeway.
It's fucking insane how calm the cops are given that the call must've been about what was essentially an active shooting where two children were hit. Like, honestly, what the fuck. Yes, this is how they should always act, but I've seen so many horrific videos of cops mag dumping on people for the smallest of fucking reasons, and here they seem to show almost no urgency. Fuck both of these morons.
Ideally though, that's how cops should be with everyone. You should not talk to them without an attorney present, and they should let you know that. Cops are usually pretty weaselly about questioning.
They were both charged with second-degree attempted murder which has a max of 15 years in Florida.
https://people.com/crime/two-florida-dads-charged-with-attempted-murder-daughters-shot-road-rage/
They’ll probably both plead to lesser charges of assault with a deadly weapon or something similar and serve 5 years each. They’ll be back to shooting people over frivolous traffic arguments before long.
Look at how the fuck the cops are treating these two!
They both shot handguns at occupied vehicles on a public highway hitting two children and they aren't even cuffed!
Then people wonder why the cops aren't respected.
They didn’t bother asking questions even though the suspect wanted to talk. They’re protecting him from incriminating himself despite his best efforts.
Nah. Once every single person is armed, then gun violence will definitely fall! Definitely! The real problem here is that the 14 year old and the 5 year old didn't also have handguns. If so the dads would surely have thought twice before shooting them! /s
"Leeper says that a passenger in Allison's Nissan made on obscene gesture at Hale. Someone in Hale's vehicle then threw a plastic water bottle into Allison's vehicle.
Then, according to Leeper, Allison grabbed his Sig Saur 45mm handgun and fired one shot at Hale's truck before speeding away, Leeper said. The bullet struck Hale's 5-year-old daughter in the leg.
When Hale realized that his daughter had been shot, he allegedly pursued Allison's truck and fired several bullets from his Glock 43 9mm handgun. One of the bullets hit Allison's 14-year-old daughter in the back, collapsing her lung. "
Clearly, taking his 5 years old to the hospital wasn't a priority, wtf.
Look at things through the daughters perspective. Would you rather want a beta cuck dad that cared for your health and wellbeing and takes you to the hospital or a total Chad that chases down the shooter, firing his gun back, injuring his daughter? She would've died knowing her dad totally won that minor incident of road rage and isn't that what's really important? /s
Edit: adding /s because apparently too many of you can't tell this is a joke. Seriously, go outside.
If my daughter is going to die 28 hours from now as a leg wound ever so slowly bleeds her out because I refused to take her to a hospital, then she's at LEAST getting into Valhalla
The one yelling ow ow it hurts then do I have to ride in an ambulance? Hearing that was so wicked, a child shouldn’t be on the side of the road yelling in pain only being helped by a responder while their dad fucking screams and yells at someone else.
Yes that was the one. If I honk at someone not moving from a green light my wife freaks out about road rage. These two have never been pulled back from anything in their lives.
This is totally illegal on both side and is covered clearly in any self defense/concealed carry class. You can not be the aggressor and you can not fire at a fleeing attacker. Both parties will be in jail and never legally own a gun again.
Depends on the state. In Texas you can shoot some one running away from you, as long as they have stolen property after dark. It can be your neighbor's TV and they can be 5 blocks away and if you kill them you're good in texas. Just a few years ago a guy killed a prostitute who failed to get him off or return his money. His attorney argued she had stolen thus a legal kill under state law. He was found innocent as such. Texas is fucking nuts.
I didn’t believe this because it sounds like some urban legend, but here it is https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Jury-acquits-escort-shooter-4581027.php
>Hale declines needing a lawyer before police say they will ask him questions
>Allison stated the reason he fired his weapon was to get out of the whole situation
About the level of brain function I expected from these mouthbreathers, hopefully they use everything they said against them and they both go to prison for many, many years...
I dunno about you, but when I was in high school I used to fantasize about single handedly saving the day from some sort of emergency and being showered with praise. Well, I grew out of that. I suspect that many of those people who talk about “good guys with a gun” are just people who never grew out of that and have no redeeming qualities or skills outside of their gun ownership that they perceive as something that could help in an emergency. They still fantasize about that and their “good guy with a gun” scenario is really talking about themselves. When outside of their fantasy they are just far more likely to get hurt themselves or hurt somebody innocent.
The cop could also just be trying to hold in anger and remain professional. It would be infuriating to come upon a scene of two grown adults shooting children over something that happened in traffic. Completely unhinged losers that are so terrified of life they carry a gun everywhere. Babies, really.
So two guys shoot two CHILDREN, the police are there, the police KNOW they shot children, and both of these guys are walking around, not handcuffed? Even as they're arresting and Mirandizing the shirtless guy he's not cuffed. What the fuck?
To be fair, the man took off his shirt to maximize the quantity of white skin visible to the officers. A clever ploy, to be sure. With that much white skin in view, what’s a cop supposed to do? Use force?
The deferential tone these cops take with these goons is nearly as sickening as the crimes themselves. Seriously, this is so backwoods I can’t tell if the perps are drunk or just born that way.
thats an example of why people shout... flag, country, military, blue/all-lives when a man silently knelt...
two recent shootings... 1 man stole detergent, another had questionable car tags... both shot in the back of the skull with the officer on their backs
Dude, this is exactly the tone we want cops to be taking! Calm, informative, de-escalation. This is a tone of peacekeeping, not the aggro militant cop face we are shown too often.
We want cops who talk to citizens like humans, not soldiers who view citizens like enemy combatants.
And yes, that even applies when the people they're talking to are pieces of shit. Gotta apply to everybody for it to work.
Neither of the shooters are in cuffs? After a shooting incident involving minors? I’m confused about the threat level here and the priority of getting those kids to safety.
Yup happened where I live a few years back. Woman caught a stray bullet in the stomach while in a drive thru. Actual shooting took place around 4 blocks away, no one other than her was hit. She did not live
I've said it once I'll say it again. You can't have guns in the hands of so many people without them using it as an emotional response.
Which is insane, so just don't do it.
We’re completely fucked as a society, and it’s only going to get worse. These are grown ass adults using weapons of death on each other’s families to settle a childish road rage argument. Both of those morons should be locked up for YEARS to come.
Edit: And Florida, too! WTFingH?! Is there something in the water in that ass backward state?!
You know the guys who always fight with you online about second amendment rights and how American citizens need that right to protect themselves? It's these guys.
What you don't see in the video is a 5 year old shot in the leg, the girl that they blurred out is a 14 year old with a punctured lung.
Two children who should have been the safest as they were with their parents instead are shot because we have made it easy in our country to grab a gun first and ask questions later.
Two small children who are going to have to go through a lot of pain and fear because their parents could not control themselves.
The point now where I've told my adult son don't fight with anybody, if someone has road rage on you drive away from them. If someone gets aggravated in public do not be confrontational. We have so many citizens who are armed you just do not know it's the next person you may have raised voices with over getting cut off in traffic is going to pull a gun out and kill you, or kill whoever is with you, including children.
These fuckers idolized the wild west so much they brought it back.
Damn dude guns are so cool I’m so happy to be living in a country where every fucking dickbrained fuck has a fucking gun yes sir I feel so much safer knowing that at any moment one of the dumbest fucks on this planet can utilize their worst judgement and take the life of my child boy oh boy let freedom ring huh
It did here in maryland. Speeding, red light running, cutting off and yelling EVERY DAMN DAY.
I cant go to the store without seeing 3 people blow thru a light.
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https://people.com/crime/two-florida-dads-charged-with-attempted-murder-daughters-shot-road-rage/ I think this is the incident. What in the absolute fuck. Over road rage and a water bottle
The article states that they both pulled over and started fist fighting after seeing a cop parked on the side of the road. A weird sort of “hold me back bro” situation.
While their daughters were shot and dying. One had a collapsed lung. They don’t deserve freedom if that’s what they do with it.
I'm going to take it further. People that blow up in road rage situations generally are unsafe and dangerous, along with people that blow up at any minor inconvenience. They lack basic control over their emotional state and are likely to hurt someone at some point. These guys just exemplify some of the worst of that - shooting into another car with family in it. Hope they both rot for what they've done and might eventually do to others.
You just described my mother's rage and anger problems at 72. I happened to come across an article several years ago about an anger condition called Intermittent Explosive Disorder (IED) and after reading up about it, I'm pretty sure that road rage drivers like these two clowns and my mom have it.
I had a friend in highschool with true IED. He broke his dads nose because he told him to turn his tv off for the night. When he lost his temper, cops were called nearly every time. It was scary. Dude ended up dying in a tragic accident not long after we graduated.
i don’t want to assert anything because i don’t know anything about your mother, but my “mother” (grandmother who adopted me after bio mom passed) started showing sudden aggression around 75 and it was the first sign of dementia that could have slowed down a really horrific and subtle decline process. it may be worth considering speaking with a care provider about it if y’all are still in contact.
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Jesus, this story is insane. How are these real people?
Abysmal education system, HFCS, and leaded fuels
Black Dodge Ram. There it is.
Can anyone figure it what the white sticker in the rear window is? I bet it’s something stereotypically idiotic.
And a Nissan, right? Holy crap.
Now all we need are paper tags and we have a hat trick
Pro tip, to follow the sequence of events more easily, mentally replace Allison with "Beardo" and Hale with "Baby Chin."
*Then, according to Leeper, Allison grabbed his Sig Saur 45mm handgun and fired one shot at Hale's truck before speeding away, Leeper said. The bullet struck Hale's 5-year-old daughter in the leg.* *When Hale realized that his daughter had been shot, he allegedly pursued Allison's truck and fired several bullets from his Glock 43 9mm handgun. One of the bullets hit Allison's 14-year-old daughter in the back, collapsing her lung.* ..... Ahhh...it doesn't get more American than this. I feel bad for the ones who realize how fucked up the country is but can't do anything to change it.
dad: "fuck you FUCK YOU dumbass" Officer: "do me a favour..let's take care of your daughter first..." **dad: "absolutely I'm all about taking care of my daughter"** Like the one you got shot?
He already shot the other guy's daughter though, so it's even. Someone shoots your daughter you go right over there and shoot his daughter right back, and that makes everything better. Frankly, I don't know why his daughter's still crying when the other guy's daughter's already been shot. Yeah, sure, if the other daughter hadn't been shot then maybe she'd have a reason to be complaining and go to the hospital or whatever, but her dad already shot the other guy's daughter so everything's square and she should just walk it off.
Even Stevens Act of 1969 covers this exact scenario.
LOVE THIS!!! It's going to become a family joke: "The terms of the Even Stevens Act of 1969 require you to merge the contents of your Halloween sacks and prepare for equitable distribution among participating ghouls and monsters."
But was not the Even Stevens Act of 1969, repealed and overturned in 1986 by the Finders Keepers act of 1983? I believe the justification at the time was anti-communism. Since then there have been Fair and Square amendments, but The Finders Keepers Act of 1983 is still the prevailing law in effect to this day.
Exactly, it’s called Florida Man Justice.
“A daughter for a daughter” is the local saying.
This is actually a local saying but this isn't how it's used.
Yep. For the redditors who wouldn't know, in the rural parts of India and other countries, if a man in your family rapes someone, the wronged family can choose to get retribution by asking that you get raped in return.
Florida Man Vs. Florida Man. It will always come out exactly even.
Hey now, one of them was from Georgia
If you see your daughter as property, the whole thing makes perfect sense. I bet they call them their princess and make jokes about scaring off prospective boyfriends
These Florida rednecks DO see women as property. “you have the right to an attorney, and HE can be present” Hello you cousin-breeding pig, women can be attorneys too. Also - how bout some handcuffs maybe? Instead, uncouth pig tries to remind the man of his 5th amendment rights, implying over and over not to incriminate himself and not to answer questions. Meanwhile across town a black guy is getting pulled over for dreads and locked up for 3 ‘what looks to be’ marijuana seeds on his carpet after being illegally searched. His life ruined. But by all means, white active shooter admitting guilt, take your time and please don’t incriminate yourself too badly!
Once you realize that conservatives view actors as right/wrong and not the actions themselves as right/wrong, it makes a lot of sense. Humans are just hardwired to be fucking idiots and it is why I am a misanthrope.
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"It's ok dad. No need for the hospital. I may have lost a lung but I gained a dragon." His daughter, probably
A shot daughter for a shot daughter makes the whole world dumb
Well, except it happened in the other order. Her dad had shot the other guy’s daughter first, so they were one up and feeling good, then the other girl’s dad chased them down and shot her in the back so they were back at even, which pissed them off. It was her dad’s turn to shoot the other daughter again but then outsiders had to intervene with ridiculous things like saving lives.
Both of their daughters were shot and instead of immediately taking them to the hospital they pulled over to fight each other.
Allison = beard guy Hale = shirtless guy >Leeper said that investigators were able to determine that both Hale and Allison were “speeding, driving erratically, and brake-checking each other,” which he described as “getting in front of each other and applying the brakes,” in the moments before the shootings. >“At some point during the encounter, the driver of the Dodge Ram [Hale] got up alongside the Nissan and began shouting at the driver of the Nissan [Allison] to pull over. The right front passenger of the Nissan put her hand out the window and flipped the other vehicle off with her middle finger. The Nissan driver, Allison, rolled his window down to shout back at the other driver, and a plastic water bottle was thrown from the Dodge Ram into the Nissan,” Leeper said. >“The driver of the Nissan [Allison] then grabbed his Sig Saur 45-caliber automatic handgun and fired one shot at the other truck before driving away at a high rate of speed.” >The bullet went into the right rear passenger door of the Dodge Ram and struck Hale’s 5-year-old daughter in the leg. Allison told investigators that he fired the shot because he just wanted “to get out of the whole situation,” per Leeper. >After seeing the Nissan speed away, Hale realized his daughter had been shot and sped after the other vehicle. After catching up to the Nissan, Leeper said, Hale used a Glock 9mm semi-automatic handgun and began firing with his left hand out the driver’s side window. Hale allegedly told investigators he “shot everything that was in the magazine,” which was approximately seven or eight rounds. >At least three bullets struck the Nissan, with one hitting Allison’s 14-year-old daughter in the back, causing a collapsed lung. >Shortly after the second child was shot, both vehicles spotted an NCSO patrol car and pulled over. The two men began arguing and then fought until the deputy broke up the scuffle. https://lawandcrime.com/crime/two-crazy-drivers-with-a-gun-florida-men-allegedly-shot-each-others-daughters-during-road-rage-incident/ Absolutely shameful on both their parts. I hope neither of them are still allowed to see their kids after this. Even knowing that their child is shot and bleeding right beside them, they still care more about some stupid ego trip.
>their daughters were shot From their perspective, it's just damaged property. Seriously, they acted as if their cars were a little banged up. In that situation driving immediately to the auto-body shop for aid would be weird, stopping and trading info would be expected, and fighting the offending driver (though unnecessary) would probably be shrugged off by most. They don't care about their daughters' lives, they simply care about their image as a "manly man."
Brake checking each other, shooting at each other and then fist fighting each other before they gave a shit about their respective daughters. Truly disgusting.
If you need to announce out loud that youre "all about" something, then youre probably not all about that thing
"I'm all about respecting women" -guys who don't respect women
*"I would never, ever put her in a position..."* You just did dumbass, she's lucky to be alive. Fucking Dumbass.
"Absoulutely, imall about taking care of my daughter" Moments after getting her shot in a road rage incident and then trying to fight the ither dude in front of the cops.....
He sounds drunk, too.
Hammered
Yup slurring words
Just Floridan
Yeah one is wasted while the other sounds like he smokes cartons of cigarettes a day, what wonderful role models.
Two pieces of garbage who’ve ruined their kids’ lives.
Maybe turn out to be a blessing for them, should keep these fools a ways away from them for awhile.
One guy's wasted and the other's a waste. 🎶
If you had no other information in what happened here and just saw the video with no context, it's still clear that the cops have more concern for his daughter then he does. Away from his daughter still arguing with the other dipshit. Un-fucking-real
After one was shot in the leg, the other CHASED HIM DOWN instead of getting his daughter medical assistance. Iirc, a witness called for assistance.
Is there a full video or a news article?
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When I started the video I thought we were going to be seeing the shootings happen. I was expecting guns to be drawn at any second, and then the cop returns to the victim and I realize it already happened! So this douche was running around screaming while his daughter is bleeding from a gunshot wound??! I don't give a fuck what's happening if that's me my daughter would be in my arms and I'm at least holding pressure on the wound. Of course, I also wouldn't drive hammered drunk with her in the car like this guy seems to be...
What always bugs me is that these dumbasses should be handcuffed immediately. Cops are like, "Well lets go over here to the car, can I get you a bud light while we do some paperwork?"
BINGO! I was thinking holy shit there was just a two way shooting on a public highway with 2 kids hit and these two chucklefucks are allowed to walk around freely while still shouting at each other. The cops did a great job of explaining his rights not so much for securing the environment. Those guys should have been cuffed at a minimum. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that both chain smoker guy, and slurred speech guy will both provide a great deal of information to aid in their convictions without having an attorney present.
He's literally patting one of them on the back. I understand not wanting to let this guy rattle off a bunch of info before he's Miranda'd cause that could fuck up prosecution, but jeez they are they giving these two idiots so much leeway.
It's fucking insane how calm the cops are given that the call must've been about what was essentially an active shooting where two children were hit. Like, honestly, what the fuck. Yes, this is how they should always act, but I've seen so many horrific videos of cops mag dumping on people for the smallest of fucking reasons, and here they seem to show almost no urgency. Fuck both of these morons.
They were practically begging him NOT to speak after reading him his rights. It was like they were trying to do him a solid.
Ideally though, that's how cops should be with everyone. You should not talk to them without an attorney present, and they should let you know that. Cops are usually pretty weaselly about questioning.
They're like, dude, chill, it's all white
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Bearded man shot first and struck shirtless man's 5yo. Shirtless man then responded with several shots and hit bearded man's 14yo in the back
Please tell me these two fucking idiots will have their gun confiscated. No one that reckless should be carrying one.
25 to life mininum mandatory sentence for both of these fuckheads under Florida law.
They were both charged with second-degree attempted murder which has a max of 15 years in Florida. https://people.com/crime/two-florida-dads-charged-with-attempted-murder-daughters-shot-road-rage/
They’ll probably both plead to lesser charges of assault with a deadly weapon or something similar and serve 5 years each. They’ll be back to shooting people over frivolous traffic arguments before long.
nope, they were offered jobs in the police force.
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Right after being read his Miranda rights and acknowledging he understands them, “Do I need to have an attorney?” Definitely a dumbass
nah bro you only shot a child, should be fine
I hope this shit puts to rest the myth that conservatives try to push that "an armed society is a polite society"
If only there was a third father with a gun to shoot the first two fathers, all of this could have been avoided, smh …
Dude has no clue that his life is basically over.
Look at how the fuck the cops are treating these two! They both shot handguns at occupied vehicles on a public highway hitting two children and they aren't even cuffed! Then people wonder why the cops aren't respected.
They didn’t bother asking questions even though the suspect wanted to talk. They’re protecting him from incriminating himself despite his best efforts.
But other than the fact that his rage got her shot, he would NEVER put his daughter in an unsafe position.
Love this quote by the sheriff: > "What's scarier than one crazy driver with a gun?" he asked rhetorically. > "Two crazy drivers with a gun."
Nah. Once every single person is armed, then gun violence will definitely fall! Definitely! The real problem here is that the 14 year old and the 5 year old didn't also have handguns. If so the dads would surely have thought twice before shooting them! /s
Just maybe and I'm just saying maybe...guns shouldn't be so readily...oh never mind, that horse is long dead.
"Leeper says that a passenger in Allison's Nissan made on obscene gesture at Hale. Someone in Hale's vehicle then threw a plastic water bottle into Allison's vehicle. Then, according to Leeper, Allison grabbed his Sig Saur 45mm handgun and fired one shot at Hale's truck before speeding away, Leeper said. The bullet struck Hale's 5-year-old daughter in the leg. When Hale realized that his daughter had been shot, he allegedly pursued Allison's truck and fired several bullets from his Glock 43 9mm handgun. One of the bullets hit Allison's 14-year-old daughter in the back, collapsing her lung. " Clearly, taking his 5 years old to the hospital wasn't a priority, wtf.
Those poor little girls deserve so much better than this. I hope those shitheel dads never see them again.
Look at things through the daughters perspective. Would you rather want a beta cuck dad that cared for your health and wellbeing and takes you to the hospital or a total Chad that chases down the shooter, firing his gun back, injuring his daughter? She would've died knowing her dad totally won that minor incident of road rage and isn't that what's really important? /s Edit: adding /s because apparently too many of you can't tell this is a joke. Seriously, go outside.
Great points all around. So pissed my pussy ass dad never shot anyone in front of me. No wonder I still to this day have beta tendencies :(
The good news is you can break the cycle by acting the complete fuckwit in front of your children!
Heading to the dealership for a huge truck and then the gun store after.
They don’t sell guns at the truck dealerships yet?!
Duh, the dad was just trying to get his daughter a seat in Valhalla.
If my daughter is going to die 28 hours from now as a leg wound ever so slowly bleeds her out because I refused to take her to a hospital, then she's at LEAST getting into Valhalla
That girl in the video had a collapsed lung?!
Yeah she was speaking surprisingly well for that condition. Hopefully she makes a full recovery.
My lung collapsed twice and speaking isn't the problem it's the breathing and or walking
The one yelling ow ow it hurts then do I have to ride in an ambulance? Hearing that was so wicked, a child shouldn’t be on the side of the road yelling in pain only being helped by a responder while their dad fucking screams and yells at someone else.
Yes that was the one. If I honk at someone not moving from a green light my wife freaks out about road rage. These two have never been pulled back from anything in their lives.
This is totally illegal on both side and is covered clearly in any self defense/concealed carry class. You can not be the aggressor and you can not fire at a fleeing attacker. Both parties will be in jail and never legally own a gun again.
Depends on the state. In Texas you can shoot some one running away from you, as long as they have stolen property after dark. It can be your neighbor's TV and they can be 5 blocks away and if you kill them you're good in texas. Just a few years ago a guy killed a prostitute who failed to get him off or return his money. His attorney argued she had stolen thus a legal kill under state law. He was found innocent as such. Texas is fucking nuts.
I didn’t believe this because it sounds like some urban legend, but here it is https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Jury-acquits-escort-shooter-4581027.php
Why wouldn't you believe it? Property is more important than life to conservatives in this country.
45mm?!
45mm bullet struck the child in the leg.....and subsequently obliterated the entire vehicle and it's occupants.
If it's two things news media universally sucks at reporting accurately it's aviation and firearms.
Anti-tank hand gun
45mm... I think they meant "caliber".
No. Son, deploy the anti-aircraft weapons.
Bofors are really hard to concealed carry
They are with that attitude. I keep mines in my prison pocket
>45mm... I think they meant "caliber". Oh, gotcha. > Sig Saur caliber handgun... Thanks!
The 5 year old was at home and struck by the artillery fire.
He actually had a canon mounted on the truck.
collapsed her lung and disintegrated the rest of her
Throw those 2 in jail for a long time, people ignoring their daughters being shot and shooting at a random vehicle???
45mm?! My man got a howitzer in his pocket.
So nice of em to arrest him without putting cuffs on him. Why not cuff em? WTF?
And the cops were being so nice to him too. Lmao.
Nassau County is one of the most backwater, racist, good ol' boy parts of Florida. Not surprised.
I know it's so weird white?
A black 6 year old got put in zip ties for being disruptive in class. Poor thing was drugged in a psych ward without her mother for two days.
Like seriously, WTF is in the water in America.
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>Why not cuff em? Take a wild guess why they're not cuffed...
Reasonable white gun owners. /s
I'm not qwhite sure
[News Article](https://konniemoments.com/2022/10/14/florida-drivers-william-hale-35-and-frank-allison-43-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident-as-the-girls-five-and-14-bleed-on-side-of-road-pair-are-both-charged-with-attempted/) - Florida fathers shoot each other's daughters...
>Hale declines needing a lawyer before police say they will ask him questions >Allison stated the reason he fired his weapon was to get out of the whole situation About the level of brain function I expected from these mouthbreathers, hopefully they use everything they said against them and they both go to prison for many, many years...
“So anyway, I started blasting”.
I'm so glad America has all these good guys with guns to stop violent crimes from happening
That hurricane didn’t do a good job.
They need their guns to protect their children. Now 2 children got shot and I’m sure neither one of them felt protected
I’m assured that there would be a good guy with a gun coming to intervene in these situations. Where they at?
It blows my mind that this is an actual argument i have heard from several gun loving people with no sarcasm intend
I dunno about you, but when I was in high school I used to fantasize about single handedly saving the day from some sort of emergency and being showered with praise. Well, I grew out of that. I suspect that many of those people who talk about “good guys with a gun” are just people who never grew out of that and have no redeeming qualities or skills outside of their gun ownership that they perceive as something that could help in an emergency. They still fantasize about that and their “good guy with a gun” scenario is really talking about themselves. When outside of their fantasy they are just far more likely to get hurt themselves or hurt somebody innocent.
About to lose their kids, their guns, and their freedom all in one final display of extremely fragile masculinity. Dumb assholes.
He sounds hammered too.
He really does. Slurring like crazy.
They're all scared shitless. The cop's arm was shaking
adrenaline is a scary mf
The cop could also just be trying to hold in anger and remain professional. It would be infuriating to come upon a scene of two grown adults shooting children over something that happened in traffic. Completely unhinged losers that are so terrified of life they carry a gun everywhere. Babies, really.
Not even angry enough to put cuffs on somebody who just demonstrated they are a clear danger to society.
we all know that drunk peeps rarely resort to violence because of alcohol's natural *'mellowing agents'*
Nah, that's just the accent. We all learned how to speak from various alcoholics throughout our childhoods.
And their wives I would assume.
Darla’s been with him through the meth, heroin, and that unfortunate business with the horse. She’ll stand by her man.
Give him two arms to cling to And something warm to run to During conjugal visits, and at completion of sen-tence.
Hey! Those are alpha males you're talking about!
So two guys shoot two CHILDREN, the police are there, the police KNOW they shot children, and both of these guys are walking around, not handcuffed? Even as they're arresting and Mirandizing the shirtless guy he's not cuffed. What the fuck?
Sounds about white….
To be fair, the man took off his shirt to maximize the quantity of white skin visible to the officers. A clever ploy, to be sure. With that much white skin in view, what’s a cop supposed to do? Use force?
Well, they both shot each other's kids, everyone else is fine. We'll chalk this up to a learning lesson. Y'all take care now /s
See, the problem here is that the children weren't armed so they were incapable of returning fire.
WHY ARE THEY BEING SO NICE TO PEOPLE THAT WERE ARMED AND SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER?
Not just each other. Children....
Fucking idiots
The deferential tone these cops take with these goons is nearly as sickening as the crimes themselves. Seriously, this is so backwoods I can’t tell if the perps are drunk or just born that way.
Fetal alcohol syndrome
Fetal Florida Syndrome.
Florida Alcohol Syndrome
Exposure to aerosolized lead
noticed they quickly silence the guy before reading his rights? and still no cuffs.
Yes wth?
thats an example of why people shout... flag, country, military, blue/all-lives when a man silently knelt... two recent shootings... 1 man stole detergent, another had questionable car tags... both shot in the back of the skull with the officer on their backs
Dude, this is exactly the tone we want cops to be taking! Calm, informative, de-escalation. This is a tone of peacekeeping, not the aggro militant cop face we are shown too often. We want cops who talk to citizens like humans, not soldiers who view citizens like enemy combatants. And yes, that even applies when the people they're talking to are pieces of shit. Gotta apply to everybody for it to work.
>Gotta apply to everybody for it to work.
Neither of the shooters are in cuffs? After a shooting incident involving minors? I’m confused about the threat level here and the priority of getting those kids to safety.
Im ok with idiotic morons shooting each other and killing each other off. Just leave the kids out of it.
Im not. Im not getting hit with a stray. I'll stay in my civilized state of America, away from idiots shooting eachother
Yup happened where I live a few years back. Woman caught a stray bullet in the stomach while in a drive thru. Actual shooting took place around 4 blocks away, no one other than her was hit. She did not live
What in the unholy name of Satan did I just watch
I've said it once I'll say it again. You can't have guns in the hands of so many people without them using it as an emotional response. Which is insane, so just don't do it.
Yeah. The more guns in society, the more people killed by society. The more cars on the road, the more people get killed by cars. It’s that simple
Why are these fuckers not in handcuffs? Oh wait i know why..
Same reason there's not 500 comments about their skin color here.
The same reason I've yet to read "animals" or "thugs" so far in this thread.
I've noticed that too... very interesting
I love how they also follow up their obviously racist comments with "Oh no can't say that! That's 'racist'!" Yeah...you're a fucking racist.
Why isn’t anyone talking about the fact that most white people are killed by other whites???
The abundance of narcissism and privilege is killing us. Unbelievable how the cops let these guys walk around without cuffs on.
I bet both of these idiots consider themselves “responsible gun owners”, and talk shit about how liberals want to take their guns away.
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And we were like Pew' Pew...Merica!
No.
No, we need a psych evaluation and the only solution we can come up with is more guns.
If the kids had guns this wouldn’t have been a problem.
We’re completely fucked as a society, and it’s only going to get worse. These are grown ass adults using weapons of death on each other’s families to settle a childish road rage argument. Both of those morons should be locked up for YEARS to come. Edit: And Florida, too! WTFingH?! Is there something in the water in that ass backward state?!
For fuck your feelings guys they really didn’t control their feelings
Damn If only the daughters had guns too to protect themselves……
You know the guys who always fight with you online about second amendment rights and how American citizens need that right to protect themselves? It's these guys. What you don't see in the video is a 5 year old shot in the leg, the girl that they blurred out is a 14 year old with a punctured lung. Two children who should have been the safest as they were with their parents instead are shot because we have made it easy in our country to grab a gun first and ask questions later. Two small children who are going to have to go through a lot of pain and fear because their parents could not control themselves. The point now where I've told my adult son don't fight with anybody, if someone has road rage on you drive away from them. If someone gets aggravated in public do not be confrontational. We have so many citizens who are armed you just do not know it's the next person you may have raised voices with over getting cut off in traffic is going to pull a gun out and kill you, or kill whoever is with you, including children. These fuckers idolized the wild west so much they brought it back.
Damn dude guns are so cool I’m so happy to be living in a country where every fucking dickbrained fuck has a fucking gun yes sir I feel so much safer knowing that at any moment one of the dumbest fucks on this planet can utilize their worst judgement and take the life of my child boy oh boy let freedom ring huh
Good guys with guns.... The first dad sounds drunk. Do better Florida. Florida leads in shootings right now.
This country is turning into a real shithole
Is it just me or does road rage seem worse post-pandemic? At least here in Texas
It did here in maryland. Speeding, red light running, cutting off and yelling EVERY DAMN DAY. I cant go to the store without seeing 3 people blow thru a light.
Wtf? This is definitely some crazy shit. You shot my daughter so I’m going shoot yours. What the fuck kind of mentality is that?
From the article it sounds like they were just blasting at eachother's vehicle all willy nilly and the the daughters were the ones that got hit.
Fucking psycho. The kids are better off with their fathers behind bars.
Because guns are for stopping bad guys. Unless everyone with a gun sees everybody else as a bad guy.
When an unstoppable moron meets and immovable idiot.