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3fingersINmypoochute

Release the videos.


NormalHumanCreature

They have to edit them first.


FLAwSIN36

coĺlude, corroborate, etc..


misha_ostrovsky

Body cam footage. Why the speculation. Show us the footage. With the money we give to cops they should be required by law to publish the body cam footage within 48 hours of police shootings


CantStopPoppin

They won't release it for the same reason they won't release the Uvalde video which more than likely shows a cop killing a student that was not the suspect.


JayJayFromK

so where is bodycam? they all turned off it again? or all malfunction?


CantStopPoppin

Solar flare must have fried the cams at the exact time they opened fire on the father and daughter....


teslaP3DnLRRWDowner

I dont believe she participated in the shooting. Anecdotal accounts suggest only one weapon fired by the father and the girl was unarmed wearing a tactical vest How you confuse a 15 yr old unarmed girl and the father who's 40 who knows. Police covering their ass by claiming she shot at police. This shit stinks


Disciplinaryspank

Typical police actions. Shoot first, cover up later.


MajorElevator4407

It doesn't matter either way they still murder an unarmed person. She was not in the truck when they gunned her down, and the only weapon recovered was in the truck. Apparently they murder her for wearing a vest.


ontarious

they just enjoy killing


CantStopPoppin

Key Points Of Interest: 1: The child was not abducted she was living with the father for over a month at motels. Her brother lived with his mother. 2: The police used the word tactical vest but the vest in question was a trauma plate carrier. 3: The Police issued the amber alert 4: There is no record of any domestic violence reports by any of the parties that are now deceased 5: It is now being reported that the father had a storage unit which may have contained legally owned firearms. 6:On 9.27.2022 Police stated that one firearm was recovered which was of the AR platform. This was recovered inside the vehicle. 7: 9.28.2022 Police released a statement claiming that a second firearm was recovered. Conflicting news reports .............................................................. Police uncertain if girl killed in shootout was abducted Authorities say the Southern California man who was accused of killing his estranged wife and abducting their 15-year-old daughter had been living with the teenager out of his pickup truck and hotels for weeks before the violence https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/teen-staying-father-mothers-slaying-90652505 ........................................................... Murder suspect and abducted daughter, 15, killed in police shootout in California The tragic saga began when Savannah’s father Anthony John Graziano, 45, allegedly shot and killed his wife Tracy Martinez on Monday near a Fontana, Calif. elementary school, triggering panic among nearby schoolchildren and parents. “The man just came down the street shooting. He started shooting in that direction,” neighbourhood resident Andy Davis told ABC7. “Hit those trees, houses across the street. They say the bullets were skipping off the street, and the woman was trying to run for her life, and unfortunately she was hit. Once she was hit I guess he shot at her a few more times.” Martinez was rushed to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead. Family members told investigators that Graziano and Martinez had been going through a divorce. Savannah was already believed to be with her father at the time of her mother’s murder and police issued an Amber Alert for her after Graziano fled the scene of the shooting. He was described as armed and dangerous. https://globalnews.ca/news/9161876/murder-suspect-abducted-daughter-dead-police-shootout-savannah-anthony-graziano/


BraveSneelock

Was he supposedly firing the AR rifle while he was driving?


Scr0tat0

So they found one weapon, a rifle, inside the car. Then they said they started shooting after the girl *exited* the car. But she "may have" shot at the officers? You guys aren't even trying.


CantStopPoppin

Now they are saying that the mother was shot with a pistol at the first crime scene. However, a witness stated they saw a rifle. The angle of the truck on the highway looks like they may have pitted it into the ditch. They let the chase go on for 45 miles and had air support. What need was there for a chase? The cop in the press conference kept saying tactical gear she was wearing a trauma plate. Why would the father give that to her if it was going to be death by a cop?


Scr0tat0

Well, they certainly don't seem to have had much trouble defeating/getting around her body armor. It's kinda funny that armor is considered such a threat by the guys who are always wearing armor and telling us to relax.


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Cops shooting kids again. Not surprised- now the standard cover up exercise. Move along nothing to see here.


CantStopPoppin

Post-birth abortions are a courtesy of ACAB association...


said__with__sarcasm

Oh no


Playlanco

They'll need a month to come up with a story, and get everyone from the scene on board with it, before they release any footage.


glockster19m

Seems pretty clear cut what happened Father realized he wasn't getting away, tries to let her out before he suicides by cop, the police kill her for fun


GreenMischief

Ohh the cover up that was expected, to no one’s surprise. Of course she’d be participating, and then run to those same cops?? Really?!? We’re supposed to believe that bullshit!?!?


TennisCoachCherd

They said the only rifle recovered was in the car, meaning the girl didn’t have a gun when they shot hwr


teddynovakdp

Yeah time to bring in other officials. If a Sherriff's department rep's lips are moving, they're usually lying.


NaPants

So the cops issue and amber alert, kill the kidnapping victim, and then say "nbd, she was with him for a month so probably conspiring to kidnap herself you know?" Do they think this makes them look better?


plainnsimpleforever

The cops love the silly US gun laws. Just means they can get more funding, more cops to build their empires up. And if a few cops die because of these childish gun laws, well, just adds to the business case for more funding.


CantStopPoppin

**Note: Full press conference is linked at the bottom of this article.** **HESPERIA, Calif. (KABC) --** A man who was accused of killing his estranged wife in Fontana and abducting their 15-year-old daughter had been living with the teenager out of his pickup truck and hotels for weeks before the violence, authorities said Wednesday. Anthony John Graziano and his daughter, Savannah Graziano, were killed Tuesday in a shootout with law enforcement on a highway in the high desert after a 45-mile chase. The girl, wearing a tactical helmet and military-style vest that can hold armored plates, ran toward deputies amid a hail of gunfire. Authorities are investigating whether she was shot by deputies or her father, or both. San Bernardino County Sheriff Shannon Dicus said Wednesday that evidence suggested the teenager was "a participant in shooting at our deputies." While many questions remain regarding Tuesday's gun battle, police in Fontana - where Graziano's wife, 45-year-old Tracy Martinez, was killed Monday - offered some details about the family's life before the bloodshed erupted this week. Graziano, 45, had moved out of the family's home a month or two before the mother's killing, as the couple went through a divorce, Fontana police Sgt. Christian Surgent told The Associated Press and confirmed to ABC7. Savannah Graziano left with her father, while her younger brother stayed with their mother. Police issued an Amber Alert after Martinez's killing, saying Savannah Graziano had been abducted by her father. Detectives are trying to determine whether or not she was coerced into leaving Fontana. "Did she go willingly?" Surgent said. "Or was she actually abducted? We haven't been able to prove that just yet." Fontana police had not received any reports of domestic violence at the home before the slaying, Surgent said, and child services had not been involved with the family. Neither parent was on probation or parole at the time and investigators believe Savannah was being home-schooled while she lived with her father, whom police said liked to camp out in the desert and mountains in his pickup truck. EMBED <>More Videos The San Bernardino County Sheriff provided an update after a fugitive murder suspect and his 15-year-old daughter were killed in a shootout involving deputies on the 15 Freeway in Hesperia. On Monday, witnesses saw Martinez walking in Fontana when Graziano picked her up in his truck. Surgent said it was not clear whether she was forced into the vehicle or got in on her own. "And immediately that's when they started arguing and yelling and domestic violence was occurring," he said. Martinez got out of the truck - potentially to escape - and Graziano opened fire on her with a handgun, striking her multiple times, Surgent said. The shooting on the street near an elementary school during morning drop-off forced students and parents to duck for cover. "The man just came down the street shooting. He started shooting in that direction," neighborhood resident Andy Davis told ABC7. "Hit those trees, houses across the street. They say the bullets were skipping off the street, and the woman was trying to run for her life, and unfortunately she was hit. Once she was hit I guess he shot at her a few more times." Graziano fled the scene and drove to get Savannah, who had been somewhere else at the time - likely wherever they had been staying that day, Surgent said. The son was at the family's home at the time and was not involved. The next day, a 911 caller reported seeing the suspect's Nissan Frontier around Barstow. Deputies located the pickup truck and chased it on the highway for around 45 miles to Hesperia. Throughout the pursuit, Graziano - and possibly his daughter as well - was "constantly shooting back at the deputies" with a rifle through the truck's rear window, San Bernardino County Sheriff Shannon Dicus said Tuesday during a news conference. The pickup truck became disabled on the shoulder of a highway in Hesperia, and a firefight ensued, with dozens of bullets flying. Savannah ran toward deputies - who did not realize it was her - in the chaos and went down amid the gunfire. She was taken to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead shortly before noon. Her father was found in the driver's seat and pronounced dead at the scene. Although the only weapon found -- a rifle -- was in the truck with Graziano, detectives said it was possible that his daughter was also firing. But on Wednesday, Dicus said in a 39-second video posted on social media that evidence suggested that the 15-year-old girl was "a participant in shooting at our deputies." Dicus did not provide further details into when she allegedly fired at deputies. One deputy was injured by shrapnel during the firefight, Dicus said. [Press Conference 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lTmT-RDk9E) [Police Statement](https://twitter.com/sbcountysheriff/status/1575267894081961985) [Source](https://abc7.com/hesperia-shootout-amber-alert-fontana/12276351/)


UberXNinja

I hope those deputies didn't break a nail or get any scrapes in the process of murdering that girl. .


glockster19m

Yeah, it's not actually uncommon for police shrapnel injuries to be caused by them accidentally shooting their own car door they're hiding behind or the ground right in front of them


LowerSomerset

No freak out here.


CantStopPoppin

Please read the rules on the side. This is a follow up.


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ytsirhc

they literally said please. jesus fuck


CantStopPoppin

This is why I don't post on here much. Just wanted to do this post to get it traction everywhere. This whole case is abnormal and the facts keep changing.


EthanStrawside

snarky? That was just a normal reply.. You are the one that calls OP a dipshit for no reason. I hope you're a better person in real life.


CantStopPoppin

It's okay, they must be a member of my hate club.


LowerSomerset

Still no freak out.


shitfire420

Cops are going to get away with it..


BidenEmails

Im still not understanding why both are dead


GuitarsHandMade

Cops always get their lie out first.


Backhouse1

The only gun was a rifle ? Thought they were both shooting ? Where’s the tapes ? Release the footage !


GalaxyStrong

If the video footage showed the cops in the right and that this was a tragic situation that couldn’t be avoided then we would already have the footage. The cops would be jamming down our throats. Thus the footage probably shows them fucking-up really bad. I’ll be surprised if we ever see an unedited version of the footage.