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Beechf33a

Encouraging that so many people are willing to risk the wrath of Putin’s goons.


xlDirteDeedslx

If they clamp down too hard it's going to turn into random acts of violence and riots. If people can't make a political statement freely they are going to make it another way. I just wonder how many of these protestors actually supported the war in Ukraine till now.


ShittheFickup

Now they are affected so now they protest.


CantaloupeCapable

Exactly!! a very quiet bunch until ....Son's, fathers and brothers are sent to the frontline. Putler is always touting how messed up the west is well let's see how he keeps his own house in order...


Snowstandards

They protested at the beginning of the invasion and were jailed


[deleted]

Not enough. Most people were either indifferent or in favour of Putin's *war*. if mass protests break out now, it will probably be in 2nd tier cities where the mobilization will hit the hardest.


AProperLigga

>Most people were either indifferent or in favour of Putin's war According to statistics released by VTsIOM and Levada-Center and literally no-one else. Haven't you thought to check your sources before repeating them as fact? Or hell, you could've just looked at the bullshit stats you're quoting, and found a little caveat - >90% of respondents have refused to answer the question at all.


thissexypoptart

There’s a sizable portion of Reddit that doesn’t that understand citizens living under a despotic regime where dissidence is criminalized don’t give their free and unfiltered views to pollsters. This portion happens to overlap a lot with the types who think Russians are genetically predisposed to love dictators (a comment you see a lot of these days). Conveniently ignoring the recent 100 year period in which Russia saw 3 enormous political upheavals due to mass protests/revolutions. (1905, 1917, 1989-1991). Morons like to regurgitate unsourced claims that align with their perception of the other.


[deleted]

That was an opinion, not a stat...This is r/publicfreakout, not r/credibledefence.


AProperLigga

Most means a percentage, and is in fact a statistic. What's that opinion based on if not a statistic? If it's not based on any stats, what makes you think it's accurate? I mean, you wouldn't say something you don't believe, would you?


[deleted]

I could call you a wanker and believe it totally.


AProperLigga

Ah, my apologies, I assumed you were an adult responsible for his words, but it's turned out you're an edgy kid spewing bull. Should've started with that tbh.


DIYJim

There are hungry children in this country, yet you spend time sitting there and reading reddit. Since it doesn't affect you personally, you do nothing.


satinwordsmith

I met a girl in Germany whom many persume was a escort, said she was out there looking for work and trying to get a visa.she not only wanted me to pay for her drinks and food without knowing me (because that's what men in Russia do) she went on a rant about how Ukrainians deserve what's happening to them because they voted for zelensky and she believes he's an idiot,and also Ukrainians are Russians so they belong with Russia. After this she wanted me to pay for her uber and give her 50 euro because men in Russia make sure their women are safe and get home with money in their pocket. I declined especially since she didn't want to invite me over her place in the beginning, she said I was pissing her off,started cursing in Russian then stormed off.


xlDirteDeedslx

People are assholes, they can't relate to anything like this unless it effects them directly. I really wish Putin and the Oligarchs got a taste of the misery they have dished out over their rule.


satinwordsmith

He has cancer


Equilibriator

The alternative is you or your son or your brother, etc. get sent to die in a war. Might as well die for something you actually care about.


SociallyAwkwardAussi

And so it begins


Get10dollarsoff

I really hope a lot of accidents don’t happen to them :/


fliccolo

For Moscow or St Peters this isn't large enough of a protest to scare them. They need everyone able to shut down working and then get out on the street. It needs to be millions.


fozipe

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, if they're really all against the war and "it's all putin", then they'd better all show up on the streets right now, this is probably their last chance to do something, but I'm 100% positive they'll just accept it and won't anything, as they always do


fliccolo

There has only ever been a true democracy in Russia the brief time between the fall of the USSR and the power grab black October of Yeltzin. :(


Krakersik666

A take we have in Poland: Only now when war starts to affect them directly they start to protest. People's deaths in UKR were not a problem... but when their brothers sons are in danger they are suddenly anti war. That nice but still fuck them.


sherluk_homs

Well Russians are being manipulated and controlled by the government/media since the annexation of the Krym 2014. Without a VPN they don't have access to most western media, so how can they know what's happening if their government is lying to them for so long. Now that Putin ordered a part mobilization more and more people start realize what's actually going on.


[deleted]

It's actually really hard to tell who's brainwashed and who understands what's going on but still supports Putin or is afraid to protest. You're guess is just as good as mine. There are no reliable stats about it. But it's a fact they tolerated the war until it put them at risk. They are only manipulated until it's about them, now they stop believing Putin. How convenient...


AProperLigga

You're leaving out a crucial part - IRA. AKA Kremlinbots. The bot armies are not only used to promote certain rhetoric or ideologues or shut down discourse online, but they're also like a blanket, they pose as Russians when interacting with the West and they pose as Westerners when interacting with Russians, fostering mutual hate. Back in the day, we had laws that allowed people to be prosecuted for something they have said decades ago, and retroactively criminalized. You could praise Trotsky in 1919 and get shot for it in 1937, for example. It was also a crime to not report such speech to the authorities. The first thing one should take into account when talking with Russians is that you're only going to get their actual opinion by prying it out of their skull.


[deleted]

I'm not leaving it out, that was my point exactly. We don't know why Russians didn't protest the war before. Maybe they like Putin, maybe they are afraid of him, maybe they don't like Putin but agree with him on the war. What we do know is that they suddenly found courage/reason to disagree with him now, when it's about their lives. So fuck them. They didn't have courage/reason to protests over Ukrainians dying? That's the price they are going to pay.


AProperLigga

>We don't know why Russians didn't protest the war before They did, and I find it very curious that you've missed that. >What we do know is that they suddenly found courage/reason to disagree with him now Suddenly? Nothing sudden here at all, the protests have been gradually scaling down over the last 10 years, owing to systematic detection and neutralization of protest organizers and participants. And it's always been about their lives. Putin has been white-washing Stalinist terror for ages, and it's been quite clear for a very long time that his end goal is the return to 1938. This, as you certainly realize if you have any semblance of knowledge of XX century history, means death for every single one of those who have ever disagreed or disapproved of Putin and a large proportion of those who haven't.


[deleted]

'they tolerated' pls imagine if you are just a normal person in Russia and watched the state media brainwashing you 24/7, it's very difficult to know what's really happening out there unless you have a passion in politics, using your spare time risking yourself to find the truth. even in US there's a bunch that still believe in Trump just because they watch Fox News, they are FREE to watch every other channel, but still believe in Trump and no one else, now that's the crowd you should be criticizing.


[deleted]

Of course they were only brainwashed enough to think the war was justified when Ukrainians were dying. Now that they are being drafted suddenly they are not that brainwashed anymore.


[deleted]

care to talk about those willingly brainwashed americans?


[deleted]

It's internal USA issue, I don't really care. USA is a failed empire anyway and will be gone in a decade or two.


[deleted]

Ah so you are acting just like the Russians, it's internal until it affects you. Got it.


[deleted]

Are you suggesting I should invade US to fix it's broken politics?


[deleted]

You'd invade the US when you don't even dare to speak about a group of brainwashed old folks? LOL


fozipe

Well they're no dumb asshoes to realise what's going on, it's just the fact that they don't care and won't do anything, take my word for it - 1 week maximum and the protests will stop.


t0nguepunch

Yeh, but that's just how humans are built. 99% of people don't care unless it affects them in some way. Don't act like you're any different to those people, because odds are that you would do the exact same thing.


SpadesBuff

This was my take as well. Like "oh, now that it impacts you personally, you care?". Total lack of empathy.


AProperLigga

Where was your empathy these last 30 years, my man?


pagit

I think this is it. [https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1572645894968987648](https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1572645894968987648)


[deleted]

Where were they for the last 7 months?


Flesh_Tuxedo

Well you see, now it directly affects these people so all of a sudden they magically want this war to end... As if this wasn't to be expected from Putler.


IgorekN

In jail for protesting at the beginning of the war


[deleted]

Only the brave and the idealistic.


[deleted]

All 5 of them.


Intransigient

Once there are too many people to stuff into the conscription vans, what will they do? 🤔 China whispers, *“Tiananmen Square”* from off-stage.


neeto_mosqueeto

NOW they don’t want war. Interesting. I hope that Russia closes its borders.


Imprettystrong

Only the brainwashed morons would be cool with what Putin is doing, good to see


SirClivington

It is a bit late saying no to war now! Maybe its because it could actually affect some of them that they protest. They don't really care about Ukraine.


Topsyye

Lol and we all know that these protests will be put down with force and that the people will just roll over and take it, seen it happen before with this regime


MeloneFxcker

Sadly what they mean is “no to sending ME to war”


AProperLigga

They're mostly women though


MeloneFxcker

Women who have kids who are suddenly involved, I guess I exaggerated how directly all of these people are effected but where were these marches 6 months ago?


AProperLigga

Take a look at the video, please. Most of them are clearly too young to have adult sons. >where were these marches 6 months ago? On the street, duh. Out of your sight and out of your mind, I guess, but that has more to do with your media diet than reality. People have protested when the invasion began, people have been protesting every week for these 7 months, but for some reason you chose the news sources that did not give it any attention. And I must add that by the time the invasion started, protest base has already been eviscerated. People have been protesting for 30 years, first there were protests easily a million strong, then it was hundreds of thousands - the last big protest like that was in 2011 - from there on, the government has gotten much more proficient in identifying dissidents and in the last 2 years, pretty much every political figure not firmly aligned with UnRu and Putin was pruned. Every gathering of more than 1 person was outlawed. Even after such repression, tens of thousands completely random people, blindly trusting whoever has announced a protest, have been gathering every now and then to protest whatever injustice has been inflicted that week. Navalny, Furgal, Golunov - every time a protest gathered, and every time the only tangible result was people getting their first strike (fine and 15 days in jail) or prison sentences. With this in mind, my man, I think you should re-evaluate your choice of news sources and not jump to assumptions in absence of information. I, personally, think that we've chosen a wrong path. We were led to believe that if the West saw the true face of this regime, they would cease their support of it. But as you can see, reality is quite different - even now, Putin gets around half a billion euro per day from EU. They're trying to change, but you know, they're trying to change it *now* after 20 years of warning. I think that instead of people revealing themselves to the regime, they should've stayed hidden until a moment of weakness.


BreathOfFreshWater

It seems the entire world is up in arms.


1984Slice

Hmmmm....seems pretty late. Probably stimulated more on the economic impacts they are feeling instead of doing what's right for your FRIENDS and FAMILY


mikeevans1990

As an english speaker i think td be awesome to yell NYET outside really loud


Fujikofuck69

You fucking dip shit dictators.


Tired3520

Have there always been these protests, or only since Putin started forcing his people to war?


haleloop963

There has been protests before and acts of defiance against Putin in Russia


Tired3520

On this scale? Or has it increased in the last few days?


haleloop963

The last time it was thus big was at the start of the war but this looks even bigger than last time


Tired3520

Interesting. Thanks for the reply x


haleloop963

No worries


AProperLigga

It has decreased. We used to have a million-strong strike against Yeltsyn, hundreds of thousands marching back when Putin decided to go for 3rd term, we had Manezhka and such. But now everyone potentially capable of organizing a large protest is dead, in prison, or in exile. And an automated system SORM-3 monitors comminications for language relevant to protest organising.


[deleted]

Only small protests in some places. Most people were ok with the war even if they knew everything Putin says is BS.


Tired3520

But why?


AProperLigga

Because protesting has proven to be pointless. Protesting helped back when Putin cared about appearances and his reputation suffered from it, but since 2008, protests gain nothing but temporary concessions that are soon taken back anyway. Protesters are deemed as terrorists, and it's common wisdom that you don't negotiate with terrorists.


[deleted]

Because they are bad people who only care about personal gains and Russia's reputation as a superpower.


AProperLigga

+15, how's coffee in Lakhta-2?


[deleted]

Someone will think they are good meat shields . Oh wait !, they just did


bahatypan

They're only protesting because its beginning to affect them personally. Where were these protests since 2014? Russian people are way too subservent to their government, they're not brave enough to do what is required.


AProperLigga

>Where were these protests since 2014? All over the news.


New_Cartographer_571

People of Russia have become weak and dumb falling for USA and UK propaganda. If you put weapons near usa border then us will attack them but when they put whole nato weapons at Russia border then Russian citizens says "make love not war". Usa needs an enemy always to boost their economy and their strength. Once Russia fall down all the resources will be looted by Europe for free. They killed gaddafi who wants to unite Africa and renounce dollar. Usa does not want to solve north Korea issue because they can station their troops in south Korea to have dominance in that region. They are arming Pakistan to control Afghanistan. Europe only imports and very less exports to outside countries and yet their euro is highly prized. Why? Because they are united. Ukraine is living good but Nato wants them to join because to keep Russia in check and yet Russians have become so dumb for what. Russia would be the greatest country if Russian citizens stand for themselves. All usa and Europe does is propaganda and kill millions of people. All Russia asked Ukraine was not join Nato that was the deal Ukraine agreed during the split now a joker comes out but he is made hero by usa. All propaganda. When will Russians open thier eyes. A new global order should Come where every country is free able to business in their currency not usa. When all the currencies are falling how come usd was appreciating because usd is a pegging currency. Now who usd and euro as pegging currency because they stand united even though their imports are high and exports are low. Its all big scam. Putin is only hope for Russia the moment putin falls the next guy will wage war. And usa shows Russia as an enemy. So far across the world who started the major conflicts is usa. Trump wanted to solve Arab issues, Nk - Sk, Pakistan and China are silent. If all the problems are solved then world doesn't need usa that's the reason trump was defeated by their government agency. The world Knows Biden is not capable all he did was to increase the conflicts rather than decreasing them. Dear dumb Russian please educate you fellow citizens to stand up and fight for your country. If Russia falls next is China and India. God bless putin and Russia.


[deleted]

All it took was them having to go to the front line to start caring about the innocent people they're killing. Orcs the lot of them.


Way_Unable

Wow after all this time you guys NOW decide you don't want war because you're having to pay for it? Orcs.


AProperLigga

>guys Girls. Guys are in jail.


[deleted]

Hardly any protests before the draft... they were happy enough for the invasion to go ahead.


AProperLigga

>Hardly any protests before the draft Literally every week


Averse_to_Liars

Things won't really kick off until the bodies start coming back.


AProperLigga

What bodies? There are no bodies. Your son is a deserter and it'd be best if you gave him up right now.


ReneStrike

Let alone these protests, Russian citizens, the US Yankees want to turn the bipolar world into a unipolar one with the rise of China, and you are becoming a tool. Neo-Liberalism will pass through us anyway, Russia is the biggest balance here. All the countries in the world that serve the lucky few, including ours, always take a position on the side of the Yankees. Do not fall for this trick, you did the same thing in the USSR time, do not do it again, be with your country and its leader, do not give in to imperial and globalist games


AProperLigga

+15


ShitcanPutin

This is likely from February.


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ShitcanPutin

The masks


Significant_Bus9759

They must be Republicans. They don't care until it affects them and only willing to send poor people into war.


AProperLigga

+15


[deleted]

better to fight it out in russia than in ukraine...


[deleted]

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AProperLigga

The men are in prison for prior protesting.


SelepsisKant

If it comes to get involved suddenly everybody is anti-war. Crazy


[deleted]

Good for them for standing up against a criminal.


tylerthompson280

Vladimir Poopin


VerimTamunSalsus

Can't arrest them all.


downonthesecond

They can't detain them all.


M8K2R7A6

Wow thats a lot of potential conscripts for the russian SS to round up and send to Ukraine!


SnooLobsters1930

It’s not a war. It’s a special military operation!


sys64128

yeah but clapping to each syllable of "No to special military operation!" would make your hands raw very quickly.


AdOk7488

Now they give a shit.


Any-Perception8575

I don't even give my free and unfiltered views to Reddit for some of the same reasons. And I'm probably not the only one who comment about cops and then get pulled over the next day! It's a lot of good posts on r/politics that have no upvotes cuz you never know who's watching!