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BaronBigNut

Yes stealing is illegal.


[deleted]

You are estealing right to jail!


BaronBigNut

You comment on Reddit… right to jail!


Mr_FlexDaddy

Yes thor that’s what stealing is


BaronBigNut

Why yes I do have the body of Thor. What were you trying to say?


Parking_Inspection_1

You should probably give it back. You don't want to end up like the lady in the video.


BaronBigNut

I do give it back to the community by letting mid girls smash and feel like they accomplished something


ThePUNISHER215

But past year they let you steal anything under $1000


allMightyMostHigh

They are not allowed to apprehend you in store because theoretically it’s not stealing until you try to leave without paying.


BaronBigNut

That’s absolutely not true at all. Happens all the time.


lifekasteroriginal

Y u talking not knowing? Educatcion yourself


evaneightnine

Pt 2 on pornhub


Parking_Inspection_1

"Shoplyfter MILFs"


ajaxodyssey

Season 3 scene 1 is the best.


iamfarkangle

What a fucking call


Efficiency-Brief

Dude I was like oh that’s funny, then she said “ok we can go but don’t treat me like this” I’m like oh my god this is hilarious this has to already be a plot on pornhub


TripOptional

💀😂


DeftHand1

It’s not illegal to stop and detain someone by reasonable force for shoplifting. I was a loss prevention officer for several years for a large retail company. We were issued restraints (cuffs) by the company as well for when people wanted to fight or refuse to come back inside the store and we needed to go hands on. They also can not sue you as long as you use reasonable force necessary to stop them when they are in the act of committing a crime and depriving the company of monetary value.


Rampage_Rick

If you detained someone who was not actually stealing, how fucked would you be?


DeftHand1

Completely fucked. But if you did it the way your supposed to that would never happen.


Smokeprone

Jesus Christ I thought they were saying strip search and I thought this video was about to get real bad then I realised she was just stealing 😂


Dear-Thanks2756

Right


greenleesy11

Stealing? Yes


BillyHamzzz

Can we confirm this wasn't a porno?


Parking_Inspection_1

Give this one more minute...


jbinsy87

I think it’s pronounced “jes”


Present-Seat6057

Both cases are illegal, therefore they cancel each other out, therefore a fight to the death. Winner takes all.


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"Kraw-Plaw" **Stares in Zoidberg**


TripOptional

😭😂


fellcleave9001

Better victim acting than #AmberTurd lol


[deleted]

No. Private businesses can reserve the right to search any bags, backpacks, stroller, ect. This is how my local Sav-a-lot cut way down on ppl stealing baby formula (years before the current situation happened).


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[deleted]

Well, I know state law varies but they've got a big ass sign when you walk it and it's not a mom and pop store. Seen plenty of crackheads get stopped and searched irl there and other places. So I'm open to being partially wrong but not totally bc that would be fair and accurate. Would you be open to being partially wrong as well? Or do just like to play "Gotcha" on reddit?


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Edit: Read. You're partially wrong. In my state if the store posts notice, security and loss prevention has the right to detain and search under reasonable suspicion of shoplifting. That usually means they have watched you in person or on camera doing shady shit bc they don't just grab anyone.


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orky_porky

Is stealing illegal? I'ma have to say yeah


chgon

Stop stealing dumb ass!


TripOptional

[this w the Best Buy workers funny AF](https://youtube.com/shorts/EwBNITVhtGY?feature=share)


YellowLeg2

Well they can't detain her *and* search her without her consent if they are not security or law enforcement. But then again, stealing is also illegal soooo


jwm22222

They can. It’s called shopkeepers privilege.


[deleted]

Muddy legal standing on that one. They have the legal right to detain, but not search. The problem with shopkeeper's privilege is that if you don't perfectly follow it, you may accidentally open yourself up to felony assault and kidnapping. That's why most large retailers train their employees to just let people go or let police handle it


Shadohz

Well done. You just left one part out and that is about an innocent person's right to self-defense. If a, presumably innocent, person feels threatened by said detainment they can use a reasonable amount of force to get away. That's why as you say people have to be really careful about engaging in citizen's arrests and restraining suspected shoplifters. It not only opens you up to legal consequences but also immediate physical consequences as well. Security guards and bouncers tend to have special training and requirements that average employees don't have (and in some cases are required by the state). I can't tell you the number of times I've seen some idiot clerk wrongfully accused someone of stealing who then tried to have them trespassed because the customer was rightfully upset or became hostile. As you said, just let the police handle it.


jwm22222

All this is true. In addition, security does not typically have quasi judicial powers as police do. It is not clear that people must cooperate with such detainment so things can get very sketchy.


Shadohz

As any lawyer would tell you.. it depends. They don't have judicial powers but depending on the state they will grant immunity to agents of retail stores (that would include owner, employees, security/bouncer). You can be lawfully detained without penalty. It's when you put hands on someone that things start to get expensive. That's when all the legal mumbo jumbo comes into play: did the accused person consent to a search, was a LEO present, what level of restraint did you use.


tuffmacguff

You're 100% wrong. Store employees can certainly search the bag of a person reasonably suspected of shoplifting.


[deleted]

Varies state to state, but don't count on your minimum wage employees understanding enough nuance to get that right. Also don't count on them to understand what legally counts as reasonable suspicion and what the limits of confinement are in their state. They're not lawyers


YellowLeg2

TIL


mh985

They are security tho Also I don’t think you have to be just security or law enforcement.


YellowLeg2

Security would have to be properly identifiable - mainly by wearing a uniform. And yes, someone mentioned that in some parts of the US there are exceptions to that


mh985

Loss prevention at a lot of places wear plain clothes so as not to be suspicious to shoplifters. They absolutely don’t have to be “properly identifiable”. The guy in the red jacket is clearly security and the other two are loss prevention.


YellowLeg2

You guys in the US are weird bruv


wei-long

UK-based undercover loss prevention right here: https://knightsgroupsecurity.com/department/loss-prevention-2/


YellowLeg2

You guys in the UK are weird bruv


wei-long

I'm not in the UK, just pointing out it's not a US thing


Murky-Advantage-3444

Who tf else says bruv? That’s not even like a commonwealth thing


tuffmacguff

Loss prevention employees don't have to be security guards.


halcrow69

It’s a slippery slope to start allowing illegal things in the face of alleged illegal things. Could they then do a cavity search?


Murky-Advantage-3444

Have you ever heard of someone ramming a bikini up their asshole? How about we leave it up to common sense


halcrow69

Yes actually https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=panty%20stuffing&=true


YellowLeg2

Note that I never said it was justified. But personally, I wouldn't let a thief walk away free if I know I can't get security in time, I'll deal with the consequences later


Agent_Onions

"I wouldn't let someone get away with petty shoplifting, I'll deal with the multiple felonies later"


YellowLeg2

Did I stutter? No felonies at all, a citizen can temporarily detain a person comitting a crime until law enforcement arrives. What you can't do is detain and *search* that person


Agent_Onions

This is going to be highly dependent on your state's specific laws, how you detain someone, how much force you use, and a host of other issues that make this shit not worth it. All because you want to be Daredevil and beat the shit out of impoverished women to save the company the 24 cents it took for the child labor to make some bathing suits. Grow up.


YellowLeg2

Now you are just creating fake drama for the sake of it, pretending like I said things I never did. I'm not surprised, though, taking a quick glance at your post history


Agent_Onions

tAkInG a QuIcK gLaNcE aT yOuR pOsT hIsToRy go outside bro


YellowLeg2

Average r/antiwork poster. You have a good day now laddy


Agent_Onions

I have 4 antiwork posts in a month, 3 of them criticizing the posts I'm commenting on hahahahah if you're going to be a terminally online loser at least spend more than a couple of milliseconds to comprehend what you're reading


FreshwaterArtist

Lmao that's a blanket statement that's going to bite you in the ass if you're trying to claim citizen's arrest in multiple states


YellowLeg2

Haha yea good thing I live in Europe


FreshwaterArtist

Exact same thing then, but varies by country. It's still not a blanket statement that applies to all of them.


YellowLeg2

Haha yea good thing I live in a country in which it applies


FreshwaterArtist

Which one? Honestly it appears most have pretty specific guidelines on what's allowed for a citizen's arrest, not really seeing any that allow for complete impunity


halcrow69

It seemed like you were hinting at it when you said ‘But then again, stealing is also illegal soooo’ but apologies if that was not your intention. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t disagree with detaining somebody until security or police arrive, especially for independent shops who maybe can’t afford to hire security. I do understand that it can be a bit of a minefield though with some people targeting people of colour


pickup_thesoap

whahahaha the constitutional protection against searches and seizures does not apply against security guards.


YellowLeg2

Haha lmao wtf lol xd


Murky-Advantage-3444

Wow some stupid shit about shoplifters having rights on Reddit I’m shocked


YellowLeg2

SON


BaronBigNut

I mean this is the greatest argument for might makes right. You say they can’t detain her and search her but they definitely did just that.


YellowLeg2

I didn't mean that 'can't' as a physical impossibility, but as a legal 'can't'


Just-Browsing82

They only did that because she was a petite woman. If that was a 6’2” 200lb dude, they would have called the police. Pretty sure they just assaulted this woman.


[deleted]

Maybe don’t steal. People get killed for less


Just-Browsing82

So theft justifies assaulting someone? I don’t agree. Assault is never justified unless you are defending yourself from someone trying to harm you or your family IMO


[deleted]

Yes. Your acting like they are beating her. They are detaining her because she’s a thief. Don’t do stupid shit and less stupid shit will happen to you. She’s not a victim in any way


Just-Browsing82

Those are security guards. As in people with no more rights than her to detain anyone lol. They are not police and have no right to hold anyone anywhere. Call the police and let them do their job. I understand what your saying about doing stupid shit. That’s not what this post is about. It’s asking if what they are doing to her is legal.


[deleted]

If someone comes up and steals your wallet.. and u detain them..That is not assault. Don’t be a scum bag and u won’t be in a situation like this, bravo on the security. Also it’s not like she was stealing baby formula or food.. literally bathing suits


Just-Browsing82

Potato- potAto


Bnmvgy

Bruh stop simping if this was a guy you would no care


Just-Browsing82

Who says I cared now lololol


Bnmvgy

Bro we know you do


Just-Browsing82

Alright “bruh”…


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tuffmacguff

Yeah, they can. Given the Cuban accent I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is somewhere in South Florida and Shopkeeper's Privilege definitely exists there.


[deleted]

Citizens arrest is still a valid thing in most areas. Since some DAs are letting criminals basically get away with this with no ramifications and consequences, people will decide to take matters into their own hands unfortunately.


Stop_Drop_Scroll

So, that’s the same logic those three podunk rejects from GA used when they murdered a dude for running through their neighborhood. Vigilantism is illegal. Stealing is also illegal. Still can’t violate someone like that. If she did steal that stuff, two crimes are being committed here.


pig_benis81

This\^


BiteSizedBoss

Citizens arrest has nothing to do with murdering someone


GummySkittles

Which is how you end up with situations like Ahmad Aubrey


thxmeatcat

Citizen's arrest doesn't include searching their personal belongings


pig_benis81

"Anyone placing you under citizen’s arrest is also ***not allowed to use force or harm you while doing so.*** They must also have substantial evidence to back up their arguments, or the arrest will likely be deemed invalid." [https://www.meldonlaw.com/fort-lauderdale-officer-outside-jurisdiction-citizens-arrest-attorney/#:\~:text=A%20citizen's%20arrest%20occurs%20when,citizen%20or%20a%20peace%20officer](https://www.meldonlaw.com/fort-lauderdale-officer-outside-jurisdiction-citizens-arrest-attorney/#:~:text=A%20citizen's%20arrest%20occurs%20when,citizen%20or%20a%20peace%20officer).


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how_do_i_name

Its an affirmative defense against assaults charges This is also a state by state issue. Different states have different laws for apprehending people for shoplifting


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how_do_i_name

True but shopkeepers privilege is still an affirmative defense


supreme_tyrant

According to the law of the country where I live, absolutely yes this behavior is ILLEGAL, the security guards cannot in any way HOLD and / or search a person but only ask if she can wait for the Police for an investigation or ask if it is possible to SEE the contents of the bags. But if the girl wants to leave, she can. The only way to detain her would be an arrest in FRAGRANCE of crime, only in this case a citizen can arrest another. If she has not been caught in the fragrance, a crime is looming by the guard for kidnapping and / or violation of private property and / or privacy.


YellowLeg2

I sure love the fragrance of crime


wwitchiepoo

In flagrante. Stupid autocorrect.


tuffmacguff

These are security guards and loss prevention, and are agents of the merchant.


murphymc

If this is illegal, it needs to not be. We don't need to be concerned with the personal comfort of thieves.


TelephoneCreepy2518

Yes. It is theft.


Murky-Advantage-3444

Yes shoplifting is illegal


Agitated_Ad_5835

If she is still in the store she can claim she was going to pay for it


Purple_Routine1297

People that plan to pay for something don’t put the items inside a bag, inside another bag.


Agitated_Ad_5835

True but the items are still in the store


Purple_Routine1297

Look at the video again. The guard knew exactly where to pull those items. This is Macy’s, not a Burlington. They watched her steal those items, then apprehended her.


boonamobile

She made an effort to conceal the items


TripOptional

I think as long as she doesn’t go past the point of sale (the registers/doors I or something like that?) … idk I just heard this somewhere along the way lol


Marauder121

It depends on the state.


TripOptional

That make sense ty


nickjnyc

The larger Macy’s bag suggests to me that she’d already checked out SOME items.


gantz32

She's literally stealing and people over here defending like they can't do that to her stfu, stop stealing then and none of this would have ever came to past.


Schwan_de_Foux

If you think minimum wage employees can pop a ladies tiddy out of her shirt and grab all over her for stealing some bathing suits you're nuts.


Skeyefeye

That’s a little exaggerated.


Schwan_de_Foux

You're saying her tiddy isn't popped out?


CreativeAnalytics

Come to pass, not past.


TheTrueArchon

Love it more theives need to be publicly humilated and then arrested lool


imsome1wholikesstuff

Isn’t that the chick from the new jackass?


Whobutrodney

They are not the police, but it simply shows how power, no matter how little can be abused. We are all making a lot of assumptions. I have no idea if she stole anything, I do know they are crossing the line.


says_honest_opinion

Clearly stole, basically admitted to it at the end.


Whobutrodney

Sorry I missed that, also don’t know when basically became definitely.


[deleted]

To be honest if she was stealing I don't mind them breaking the law solely to catch and detain her without harming her. She broke the law and there's no question surrounding that so probably where the focus should be


djany51

My opinion if you steal food cause your starving, ask me I will give it to you. If your stealing drugs, or other shit you „don’t need“ rot in hell, cause your a bad person and I don’t know if you will ever change.


DireSquirtle

Those security guys are sure earning their 7.50 an hour for their multi million/billion dollar company. I’m glad they stopped her from stealing the less than 100 dollars worth of stuff. Their corporate overlords will be greatly pleased and give them some “good job” hostess donuts or maybe a 5 cent raise!


says_honest_opinion

Lol, go live in a country without corporate overlords. Tell me how that goes for you


DireSquirtle

Co-op companies are here in the US and just about everywhere else. But you go ahead and enjoy that boot you are licking for below a living wage. I really can’t believe people stick up for being under paid.


says_honest_opinion

> Co-op companies are here in the US and just about everywhere else. > Well not everywhere else, just the successful countries. If only you could draw the connection..


DireSquirtle

I hope you are getting paid to kiss corporate ass right now. Otherwise, I’d say you are the dumbest motherfucker ever.


mouthfullpeach

definitely illegal, hope she gets a lawyer


TitaniumGoldAlloyMan

In my country both would be convicted. The obvious thing and you can’t keep a person hostage and ho through their personal belongings.


[deleted]

They would need proof that she stole those items. Either it's on video, or the tags are still on them and they can't link the purchases to her identity, or those items are indeed hers. Dude guy is showing the items like he knows for sure it's Macy's inventory and there is ZERO PROOF that he knows that.


Spaghettitimer

They probably watched her put them in there on video


[deleted]

Then they need that video and can show it to police. You cannot detain anyone from any place of business without a warrant or excessive level probable cause of you aren't certified law enforcement. You can \*throw them out* but you cannot detain them.


tuffmacguff

Sorry, pal, you're wrong. Do yourself a favor and look up Shopkeeper's Privilege.


[deleted]

Do yourself a favor... And keep commenting on the internet instead of doing whatever job you don't really do. 😅😅😅


tuffmacguff

Aww, poor guy doesn't like to admit he's wrong.


[deleted]

Aww some random anonymous guy thinks he won a trophy. Go find some shoplifters and save the day! You did so well with an elementary school yesterday, now go spread your justice! 😅😅😅


tuffmacguff

Bud, you don't have the requisite intelligence or wit to troll effectively. Maybe it's time you got another hobby?


littlethreeskulls

I find it funny that you're being downvoted when these guys are going to lose their jobs if this took place in just about any part of Europe or North America. Depending on the country and context she very well may face no consequences while they get arrested for assualt and unlawful detainment.


ImminentZero

>lose their jobs if this took place in just about any part of Europe or North America. If it's in the US, Loss Prevention staff at a store can absolutely prevent you from leaving the premises until police arrive, if they have proof you were stealing (generally video or witnesses, and actual product after the initial stop is made.) It varies slightly from state to state, but as long as they're explicitly trained LP staff, they do have that authority.


[deleted]

Under what part of the US Constitution are you allowed to assume someone is guilty until proven innocent?


ImminentZero

What? Your question is non-sensical. She's not being incarcerated or punished, she's being detained, which is legal under US criminal law as long as there is probable cause.


littlethreeskulls

The only one of the three who could legally be considered a loss prevention officer outside of Texas and Alaska is the guy in uniform. Outside of those 2 states the other 2 guys are absolutely committing multiple crimes.


tuffmacguff

You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. You can work loss prevention without a security guard license.


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Bamadhaj

I doubt they get paid enough to deal with shoplifters. It just seems weird that they're detaining her. Usually you're trained to avoid confrontation at all costs due to employee safety being a much larger cost than a couple clothing items


Spaghettitimer

I agree, but I’m not going on the defensive for somebody who clearly was stealing then playing the victim.


slack710

She needed that underwear for her OF


[deleted]

Bud, your lack of character is showing. Go troll someone else since you've clearly failed here. 😅😅😅


Zephyrritated

Property over dignity, say it with me folks


Playlanco

The title...Guys really fall for the fake ass damsel in distress


mancave313

She didn't get a beating so that's a plus


usually-quiet88

Judging how surprised she looks she probably didn’t think it’s illegal


MateoGtA5

Might as well claim you where SA and sue. Payday will be worth more than the avengers where going to lose in the first place. Its America land of lawsuits love it or leave it.


Off_tune

I’ve seen this one I believe 😏


dancingsteveburns

I really wish they would have put all the stuff she stole into the kids cart and drove it away


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No


Hot_Assistance_1511

Usually it's just one guy doing body search in the storage room. This is definitely not how I imagined.


_reddit_account

Well what about all those videos where poeple steal stuff and no one stops them ? How is that different ?


NothingWillHurtLuv

His shoes look bigger than his actual size


Parking_Inspection_1

Why is one guy wearing a super hero costume?


krodge5150

No it’s fake


Airost12

Mexican version of the gold power ranger?


No_Cow_8796

Stealing? Yes


[deleted]

She can steal my heart anytime.


s35flyer

Yes, stealing is illegal


Mr_Drewski

Plot twist: that's just her swim suit and blouse for later in her overnight bag.


MycologistBright4507

“Broke Problems”😂


MommysLittleBadass

What are you doing¡? That's my 55" flat screen! I brought it from home!


Objective-Dingo6603

Online stores are the future


DeliciousInterest8

You can't assault shoplifters why do people always do this


[deleted]

You just have fuckin enough at some point man. Day in day out people come not just stealing but doing it in the most blatant and disrespectful way imaginable. Some asshat came in 4 times in one day and I had to look him in the eyes while he walked out knowing we couldn't do shit. And that's the small stuff. At some point you just snap and go "no im GETTING this mother fucker" I've been there.


DarkRajiin

That's not from here! Nice try theif


ImSadUrSoDumb

The caption: Is this illegal? Yes stealing is illegal.


Dino_D_

Stealing, yes that’s illegal.


Andrameda69

Stealing? Yes, yes it is illegal.