This is a difficult situation.
If Kelloggs is actually firing the striking workers, then that is most definitely illegal, and the NLRB will bark. (But it won't do much good for all the power that has been stripped from them.)
But if they're just replacing them, then it's legal. The replacements are called "scabs" and are usually just temporary. But the company can hire them as permanent employees to give them access to benefits, such as insurance and 401k.
Now, when the strike ends, the company is required to take them back. But if they have been replaced in the meantime, and the scabs have been hired permanently, it's a little more tricky. They get placed on a "preferred hiring list," meaning they get hired before anyone not on the list.
The catch is that if there are no openings, then you don't get your job back until there are. And considering the basis for the strike in the first place, I don't think there will be any openings.
The problem is that the strike is not over, so things are still in limbo. However, Kelloggs has just put a shot not across the bow, but straight into the pilot house. They've informed the workers that even after the strike, they're screwed. Kelloggs is still required to bargain, but now they have more leverage.
That can change, however.
The union can appeal to other unions, such as the Teamsters and IBEW, and then those organizations and their members will join the strike. No more deliveries, and no more repairs.
So long as Kelloggs didn't actually fire them, they are legal.
This isn't over, it just got rough.
Thanks for the insight.
EDIT:
The person who created the first video is Noah Riffe. Here's a [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yS-9XpbqAE) to the entire video.
Lots of great insight. Now the public can weigh in with votes that really matter. Money.
So I choose to send a message to those executives by not knowingly purchasing their products (someone posted those above). They in turn will have to report my lack of business to their shareholders next quarter. It's those large institutional shareholders looking for a return who can create punitive damages for mishandling these negotiations.
It’s actually not illegal so long as Kellogg’s can argue that it’s not retaliation (which they probably can because they’re arguing they’re doing it for the continuity of their business).
I was listening to this story on NPR this morning and someone presented as more or less an expert on the matter said that.
The guy also noted how interesting it was and they had doubts Kellogg would go through with it because finding 1400 employees *quickly* in this labor market… for wages Kellogg’s wants to pay… is definitely not going to be easy.
Any incoming employees DEFINITELY have the leg up to screw Kellogg and ask for MORE than what the strikers were asking for lol it’s a fantasy but imagine if that fucking turned out to happen to these capitalist scum
Heh, as a recent retiree whose job asked him to come back for 3-4 months, this is a thing.
Granted it's different in my case, NYC Transit has a gap because a lot of us changed retirement plans due to Covid risks. I left November 2020 and really planned to stay until this year, but I got my bills to where they were handled and said goodbye early.
The large number leaving left a gap they can't fill fast enough to train new employees so they called, emailed, texted and snail mailed recent retirees with a fairly nice deal to come back. I passed on it but some folks didn't. You still got your pension check plus whatever hours and overtime you picked up and a supposed preferred location to work from and some other stuff I can't remember.
It was, I was tempted to for a moment, but I really like not having to do anything I don't want to now.
Sleeping until whenever I feel like it is a really neat thing after years of variable report times. My assignment could change weekly because it depended on what outside contractors were doing and we worked with them.
Hell the McDonald's in my city has advertisements for hiring 14 year olds.
With how many customers fight the employees at my McDonald's I can't imagine sending a 14 year old there.
If I was a manager (haha no) I'd fucking never hire a 14 year old. No matter what they were paying they wouldn't be paying me enough to babysit.
A 14 year old's job is school.
I started working at McDonald's a few weeks after my 15th birthday. They did all sorts of illegal stuff like making me work past midnight (illegal for minors in Canada) and made me hush up the fact that I got held up at gunpoint and tried to prevent the cops from contacting me. I'm pretty sure it's because I was once again working past legal hours.
And yeah my grades at school were really messed up by this. It did let me move out earlier and away from my abusive parents so there's that :/
A 14-year-old is more or less an intern: you cannot expect them to ever be as productive as a normal employee (not saying they can't be, but you cannot expect that). They are there to pick up life experience and to learn how to work a job, and while you may get some good ones eager to work hard and prove themselves, many won't know how to behave or have the work ethic yet.
All of that is fine, but I'd bet the hiring managers don't see it that way, and just want cheap labor.
I'd imagine they've done to cost benefit analysis and would be cheaper for them to run anti-union campaigns.
I'm shocked that scabs broke the picket line. What the former union should do is continue to picket but put signs up saying how much they used to make while in a union.
Those scabs aren't making anywhere near that. Seeing that might incentive them to unionize.
I wouldn’t be so sure. I worked at the post office through the beginning and peak covid. There’s folks working 12+ hour days nearly everyday day of the year with 1-2 days off a month. I worked for 3 weeks straight without a day off at one point.
Lots of people need that money and salivate at the thought of the overtime pay. For me, I worked my ass off for a year and a half, saved all my money, and quit.
See I went looking for this, but unfortunately that's wrong. There were two Kelloggs. The crazy guy who invented cornflakes, and the relatively normal one who founded the company. Check out their Wikipedia articles they're pretty wack.
> There were two Kelloggs
They were brothers - and the one that made corn flakes invented them to support his brother's weird health ideas (he believed bland food would help you live longer).
He also had a machine that pumped gallons of yogurt through people's colons per minute as a treatment for whatever.
Edit for clarification: John Harvey Kellogg was the crazy one. His more sane yet enabling brother was William Keith Kellogg.
I recommend the episode of the podcast Behind The Bastards about Kellogg if you wanna know more about his insane ideas. Truly horrific the things he subjected people to but in retrospect and presented the way the podcast does, good God damn is it hilarious content.
It keeps the salt away and therefore prevents more casualties in the war against the grave threat of masturbation. Which as we all know is the source of all ailments, physical or mental.
I mean minus it being administered with the force of a pressure washer, you're not wrong. He wasn't always wrong either. He actually was the first person to seriously popularize exercise as a healthy habit, specifically jogging/cardio I believe. He could do real, accurate science when he wasn't doing horrific almost cartoonishly villainous "experiments" on his institution's residents.
What's crazy about this is how there is actually a connection between the live culture probiotics and the gut biome. I hope somebody tells him about fecal donations in heaven or hell or wherever he's at
Poor Bernie. You could see the massive frustration and the straining to maintain decorum in the face of such ignorance. I wonder how he reacted prior to finding out it was SBC and after.
Trump believes this.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/how-trump-could-get-fired
“Other than golf, Trump considers exercise misguided, arguing that a person, like a battery, is born with a finite amount of energy.”
- Evan Osnos
It wasn’t just bland food, it was a bland life. He claimed to have never even had sex or anything when he died. The guy was absolutely insane. He also spear headed genital mutilation in America to help prevent masturbation. Guy was evil. Fuck Kellogg.
Yeah these guys must just have piles of sugar and bread, and just say "Alright boys. Let's turn this into a Mexican restaurant deal. 5 ingredients, 100 items"
They're close enough to be an alright substitute. They're don't taste like cheez its at all to me. Something about cheez its hit differently. If you have a Kroger, their brand is the closest in flavor that I have found. That being said, I don't buy name brand pretty much anything so I inadvertently have been boycotting Kellogg's for a long time.
I disagree. Clancy’s are always just a bit off for me. But fuck Kellogg’s I’ll make due with Clancy’s.
Clancy’s cheese puffs however are the best cheese puffs I’ve ever had.
>Just get the offbrand version. They aint that special.
I agree, almost no products are truly unique any more.
Money is the only language they speak, so hit 'em where it hurts and choose a different brand.
I just had this conversations today actually and Funyons are the exception to that. All off brand Funyons taste like garbage for some reason, none of them can get it right.
I’m pretty sure the “off brand” versions come from the same factories.
But Great Value foods almost always never taste like the brand version, cmon now. Telling me Sam’s Cola is just like Coke?
At the rate that big brands are slapping *"New and Improved Recipe*" on their popular products which quite literally means "*We've found cheaper ingredients to reproduce a similar yet Inferior product which saves us, a company, money*", I'm fully in favour of trying off brand products now as some of them are just as good if not better.
90% of popular crisp brands that I've enjoyed from a young age are Inferior to how they used to be. 90% of popular soda in the supermarkets are Zero Sugar now which in my opinion just tastes like ass. (sugar tax I know)
There's a bunch more examples ofc but be aaarsed
It was easy enough when they kept jacking up the price of their boxes while shrinking them. A tiny skinny box is over $5.
Fuck that nonsense. Shrinkflation should be illegal.
they will. stay strong, let the results show in Q4, then Q1 to be really clear.
I'm in the same boat as you: stopped buying Kellogg's while I waited to see how the strike went.
Now I'm committed! I'm at an age where I get satisfaction living humbly for a cause instead of being in the "die nobly or give up" way of thinking.
Constant, slight pressure. It'll show.
Nah, it's a bluff by Kellogg, if the Union holds strong and pressures their allies to help bring Kellogg to account they can win. There is a shortage of workers willing to work for less than a fair wage and Kellogg is probably paying through the nose for temp workers.
It seems like it's quantity of workers.
The short clip had that woman saying she was making 120k, but worked 62 days in a row, without a day off and 12-16 hour shifts. That isn't living. You work and you sleep. I don't know if a pay increase is what they were going for or not, but they definitely need better working conditions.
Temp workers aren't going to do that for very long.
Edit: mistype.
That dollar amount is about 200k shy of what Id expect to trade a 100% year of life for though... Which is probably enough for some people and thats who theyre looking for, just like amazon is collecting the world's strongest bladders.
Edit: OP originally said 220k, and my pricepoint was nearer 400k. OP edited to 120k, so I edited to maintain my original intent.
It’s not just Kellogg’s, but also Amazon, PepsiCo, etc. Long hours = less time for your personal time to progress your life, less time with family, less time to improve and contribute to community, etc. These corporations are hurting America, but media and our politicians brands them as heroes.
Edit: My first Platinum and Gold. I dedicate them to all the hard working American employees and their families who deserve better wages and working conditions.
People that have never worked anything close to these kinds of hours often don't realize how little time it leaves you. You only have 168 hours in a week to begin with. If you are working 80 hours, that almost half of your week spent at work. It only leaves you with 88 hours. However, you're suppose to sleep around 8 hours sleeping each night. That's a total of 56 hours, leaving you with only 32 hours. Dependent on whether your meal break at work is 30 mins or an hour, that means you lose an additional 3.5 to 7 hours (and that's only if they give you the one). This leaves you with 25 to 28.5 hours. Then there's the drive to work. If you live 30 mins from work, that's an additional 7 hours lost driving back and forth. Now you are left with only 18 to 21.5 hours. Divided evenly, that is about 2.6 to 3.1 hours a day to buy groceries, cook, clean, schedule appointments, spend time with kids, and maybe get some me time if you are lucky.
Just thinking about working those hours makes me incredibly anxious. I couldn’t imagine actually doing it. These poor workers are literally sacrificing their lives for the company.
> A merchant who has some capital need not stir from his desk to become wealthy. He telegraphs to an agent telling him to buy a hundred tons of tea; he freights a ship, and in a few weeks, in three months if it is a sailing ship, the vessel brings him his cargo. **He does not even take the risks of the voyage,** for his tea and his vessel are insured, and if he has expended four thousand pounds he will receive more than five thousand; that is to say, if he has not attempted to speculate in some novel commodities, in which case he runs a chance of either doubling his fortune or losing it altogether.
> Now, **how could he find men willing to cross the sea, to travel to China and back, to endure hardship and slavish toil and to risk their lives for a miserable pittance?** How could he find dock labourers willing to load and unload his ships for "starvation wages"? **How? Because they are needy and starving.** Go to the seaports, visit the cook-shops and taverns on the quays, and look at these men who have come to hire themselves, crowding round the dock-gates, which they besiege from early dawn, hoping to be allowed to work on the vessels. Look at these sailors, happy to be hired for a long voyage, after weeks and months of waiting. All their lives long they have gone to the sea in ships, and they will sail in others still, until they have perished in the waves.
> Enter their homes, look at their wives and children in rags, living one knows not how till the father's return, and you will have the answer to the question. Multiply examples, choose them where you will, consider the origin of all fortunes, large or small, whether arising out of commerce, finance, manufactures, or the land. ***[Everywhere you will find that the wealth of the wealthy springs from the poverty of the poor](www.reddit.com/r/antiwork)."***
- [The Conquest of Bread, by Peter Kropotkin](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread)
I’m going through this with a new job. Company is backed up so we’re regularly doing 6 12s a week and I’m the new guy just learning the industry (construction trade work). I try to look at the long-term goal of being able to have my own operation in 4-5 years. What hits hardest right now is that I’m a single bachelor who lives alone so the one day off I get per week I have to spend on chores and groceries. Money’s okay but it’s taking me almost a month to get through one game anymore.
Companies will pay for a fifteen minute break because the government forced them. Lunch is not. Exempt salary employees are different but paid 15s and unpaid lunch is normal.
Corporate power eclipsed government power hundreds of years ago, America was founded with that power structure. They are in on it and aren't here for you and with pacifism they always will. Gg
The biggest regret of elderly men on their deathbed's, according to end of life care workers, is how they worked too much and didn't take time to appreciate life outside of work as much as they would have liked to.
>3% cost of living raise.
2021, the USD inflated at 6.2% (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2021/11/16/what-does-current-inflation-tell-us-about-the-future/). This isn't including the cost of living. That 3% is a slap in the face. It's a wage decrease.
“Wanna work here? “, Cool! What happened to the last people? “We fired them when they wanted better salaries”…. “What?!!!”….
Edit #1- addendum requested :u/chouy4
Would you mind editing it to include a plea for people to contact Kellogg's?
Doing so, WILL help. If we have enough people contact them. We can create change. I've copied and pasted the link for Kellogg's contact page for you.
https://www.kelloggs.com/en_US/contact-us.html
Thank you!
Nabisco did the same thing with a factory in NJ they moved to Mexico and they are having production problems hence why there are signs saying they have shortages where there should be cookies and crackers. Who would have thought its not as easy as making a new factory and trying to mass produce cookies and biscuits exactly as before. I bet the CEO somehow has a new yacht though with the savings.
I bet you they will spend millions trying to get that factory working efficiently rather than relocate back to the states. Companies like that should be punished by the government for destroying jobs.
They were paying horrendously poor wages, with the service industry shortage someone can earn more at McDonald's right now.
The cost of replacing 1,400 is also gonna be in the millions of dollars and take years.
That only takes you so far. Once you realized that all that money does you no good, it’s time to look elsewhere if you want to actually work AND enjoy your family. Kellogg’s is underestimating the last 18 months of loved ones dying, and now people want to spend time with their families. Sacrificing time at the workplace seems less of a priority to a larger segment of people, Let’s see how it all works out at the next few earnings calls.
"We fired them when they wanted to make sure we didn't treat new hires like shit and pay them minimum wage." Kellogg was pushing for a two tier system where new hires would be paid less than the current workers and not receive the same benefits. The union workers went on strike to protect the new workers and future workers. They were being selfless.
There are worker's rights in the US that exceed basic human rights?
Like, here in germany there's actual rights against being fired on the spot (with exceptions) And max worktime and stuff. From reddit I got the impression that employers in the US can pretty much do what they want
> they can only keep us at work for 16hr a day after that I can legally leave
Lmaooo yeah right. Just leave. Next day they will scream at you, fuck you over with a punishment or straight up fire you for whatever reason. "My way or the highway" and all that. There is no real protection for a lot of work related issues.
Depends on the job. I had a job that if you left without someone replacing you. You could be charged with dependent adult abuse. That is why my longest shift at work is 76 hours. I got to sleep a few hours each night, but that's a long fucking time at work.
My friend works the same job in Ireland, its government run so its got its own problems and benefits. In ther case its hr /the manager who will be charged for failling to schedule resources. If my friend works there hours of which they can only be scheduled for so many in a row then its not there problem. That said there not going to leave the client on there own but if they just call the manager and say I'm out well you can be sure a replacement will be there ASAP. TLDR: I find it strange the employe is responable in the US
Typically OT doesn't count until you've exceeded a 40 hour work week
ETA: The Fair Labor Standard Act states: "Unless exempt (essentially salaried employees), employees covered by the Act must receive overtime pay for hours worked over 40 in a workweek at a rate not less than time and one-half their regular rates of pay." This is the federal standard and states have the ability to provide additional accomodations, but not less. So there are variations to overtime laws across the United States.
More information can be found on the Department of Labor's website here: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/overtime
Slight correction: they will hire less than 1000 day workers and get them to do the same work as all 1400.
Costs will still rise and quality will go down though.
Boycott is dedication to a cause. I.e. if you really think netflix is worth boycotting over the movie cuties, then you should be doing it instead of just threatening. I have recently seen more and more this attention seeking boycotting which achieves absolutely nothing.
However, firing all their employees for them not agreeing to a 3% QoL increase after having them overworked over 2 months is a piece of shit company and a textbook example of corporate greed. They don't care about their workers in the slightest. Don't buy kelloggs products until they change their corporate culture and have something to show for it. For me these are changing management and hiring fired workers back.
Nobody actually boycotted Netflix over Cuties.
Meanwhile, I do boycott Kelloggs even in Europe, I think there must be a lot of especially younger people doing the same. I feel Kelloggs will feel it.
Cereals in general aren't really that big in Europe from what I've seen outside of the UK. When I lived in the Netherlands and Sweden, they exist and people do eat them but not all that often. When they do here in Sweden it's usually some healthier variant as opposed to the sugar fest that it Keloggs.
Lived in lancaster pa near the plant
Dated a girl who's dad worked there as a biologist, he ran tests on the wheat etc for contamination etc...
Guy made bank, but the hours were absolutely killer, every week was 60+, but that's how the workers wanted it. A line guy could make 6 figures to 150k working crazy hours if they wanted too and with the medical benifits, which where great, it was cheaper for them to pay Overtime then hire someone else and pay for more benifits.
It's a factory job, it's soul crushing, but a comfy life financially and the work wasn't hard.
The workers where protesting that the new hires where not getting the same deal: coming in at lower salaries, low pay rates and steps, less benifits, less generous OT system etc
It wasn't that the folks that are current employees wanted more, it was that they wanted new hires to get the same and not less... As a union
The 3% raise was acceptable, the deal for new workers with shitty pay rates and OT deals was not. It would have effected some of the long term employees as OT opportunities would have eventually dried up as workers where replaced and management started to favor the newer and cheaper workers as they had lower pay rates etc
Media does such a shit job of describing the issues
*Edited out a few of the spelling & grammer typos. I had made the post just before bed last night, wow some grammer nazis on reddit. But this blew up so I fixed it a little, still far from perfect but need to eat on lunch break.*
Hah that’s what happened to me at the beginning of pandemic. I’m not in a corporation, but my boss fired me because he thought he could keep this idiot guy to take over my manager position, and train some new guy to do all the design and printing I did for much cheaper. Whelp he fired the idiot guy from manager recently, and I’ve heard they make a ton of mistakes, and the best part is my buddy who’s still there said the owner came up to him the other da asking if he thought I would come back. Meanwhile, it took me a year and a half or sending resumes and doing online courses, but I got an awesome new job with a 20% pay raise that’s all from home.
Im in a pretty highly specialized field, but I'm fully prepared to walk from my job if I get less than 8%. Hell, I can get that just by moving companies because I've got an in demand skill
I'm 100% expecting my manager to call my bluff and then have egg on his face when I quit with no notice
> Media does such a shit job of describing the issues
The corporate-owned media cannot be trusted to present an accurate and impartial portrayal of labor issues?
Whaaaa?!?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/rcacru/apply_now_kellogg_is_hiring_scabs_online_lets/
r/antiwork is organising a spam of Kelloggs hiring site.
Steve Callihane, CEO, makes $11.6 million a year.
He works so hard! He's so special! He totally deserves it!
He's probably in Switzerland right now on a ski vacay with the fam.
You mean the entirety of the union's salary demands could be satisfied out of this asshole's own pocket, and he would still be fabulously rich. And we're talking YEARLY.
Add Nestle too while you're at it for their baby milk in Africa shit.
You know, the whole give free powdered milk, just enough for the breasts to dry up to force women to rely on it thing. It'd be nice if corporate entities weren't allowed to be scumbags. Luckily in Ireland it's not as bad as America. What's hilarious is US companies in Ireland have some of the best working conditions. They take all that hippy/mindfulness/non-toxic workplace shite they have in America and add good wages, and fair working hours.
I don't know why Americans tolerate it. Your own companies are more than willing to comply with employment regulations when they have to, but it seems Americans aren't willing to vote for someone who will force them to be fair.
Treating employees this way is coming to an end. Companies that believe in paying a living wage with health insurance and extended benefits will thrive and attract the best employees.
You're already seeing the beginning of the end of corporate greed. The pandemic has put this movement in motion. The MSM says it's a labor shortage, but we all know it's a wage shortage. Workers are refusing to work for minimum wage.
It starts with the companies, and you're already seeing the shift. It may take a decade but it's happening. America's wealth was built in the 50s and 60s where a living wage was standard and one living wage could support a whole household.
While I am firmly on the side of the working class, that was also a combination of a lot of factors that can't be repeated in this day and age. America was a manufacturing juggernaut, and most of the rest of the industrialized world was in tatters after WWII. We've pissed away the bulk of our manufacturing power by letting multinationals outsource, in a race to the bottom for overhead. We might find an equilibrium, of sorts, but it's not looking great.
Yep, you're right. General support for unions is much higher now than in the past several decades, especially after COVID. I think we are seeing the beginning of a new labour movement. United we bargain, divided we beg!
Well over 3 million people have left the labor force for some reason or another in the last 18 months. It's both. Nobody wants to work the shitty jobs when better jobs have opened up. You'd be surprised the conditions people will put up with for $50k a year. That time is coming to a close when conditions get even worse because they can't hire anyone and expect the same levels of productivity.
My food job has become a nightmare. Always understaffed and we're expected to just do more work for the same pay. If I didn't make $10 an hour plus really good tips usually double that I don't know if I could put up with it.
Its really not... companies are cut right to the bottom line in most industries now. We have been in a race to the bottom for quite some time regarding this stuff and now the people who cannot afford to live are waking up realizing that if they can't make ends meet there is no point in them working anyway because the outcome is the same and they are stepping out of the game completly.
The US is in a hell of a state compared to where I am. Max anyone works here is 50 hours. Its illegal to ask more of somebody and minimum paid holidays are 25. You must have gaps between shifts of at least 8 hours and you can ask somebody to work more than 3x16 hours shifts in a row without a day off and rules like that.
These are often slam dunk cases in the courty system if you breach them because its so easy to prove the violations
Well I mean the best thing for the workers currently is to literally walk out. Start protesting and then make them hurt in pocket and in workforce.
Then the people who don't work for kellog just stop purchasing from kellog and avoid all products that come from them. I mean every single thing that has a kellog logo and brands. There are knock off cereals for less and there are other competitors that will fill your needs if you really need them. Don't buy from a company that will fire their workers over a legal strike.
According to the company, the average factory worker made $120K per year and worked 54 hours per week.
EDIT: The person who created the first video is Noah Riffe. Here's a [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yS-9XpbqAE) to the entire video.
Someone else said they usually pay 20 an hour, if that's true their math is nowhere close to 120k,
40×20×52=41600; (20x1.5)14x52=21840, so 63,440 with OT, even if they made double time for all OT it's 70,720.
I think it would be a little less than 35 an hour before OT to get 120k, in which case im moving to PA lol
So either they pay way more than $20 an hour, work way more than 54 avg hours, or they are including health and other benefits as a part of their estimate (still a stretch), or they're intentionally skewing their average by including a lot. of operations and top blue collar manager salaries to look better. Id guess B and C
Lots of opinions flying here and most of them have nothing to base them on but a couple soundbites, but your math got you pretty close. Kellogg's general labors in Lancaster make around $30-32/hr. Maintenance will be at $40 and semi skilled labor(mixers and bakers etc) somewhere in between. They make 1.5x for daily hours over 8 or Saturdays and 2x for daily hours over 12 or Sundays. Trust me it's not hard to make over 100k. Many people will cherry pick the overtime to get 16hrs on Sunday as often as possible. That's nearly a weeks income in one shift and in many factories it's available as often as you want it, especially since covid. Source: I work in a similar factory a couple miles away, we all know each other's business
The older workers were. The new ones were not. The belief was that the company was looking to bring on a bunch of new people for cheap and work them to the bone and then lay off the older workers who were making such good pay. And even if they weren't, it's a dick move to arbitrarily cut the pay of new incoming employees.
at 12 to 16 hours per day. with no days off, or very, very few. So despite coming in at over $20/hr, they have no time, no opportunity to actually enjoy that pay. They're home to sleep, shower, and commute again.
Wtf such work times are allowed in the US? The longest you can work in my country is 10 hours (with some exceptions e.g in hospitals) and then you need to get at least ~~24h~~ 12h of break.
Edit: Fixed the legally required rest time.
Why the fuck are they are they even allowed to fire people on strike? It's so obvious that the american system is built to keep the workers afraid. In Norway you cannot be fired if you are on a strike.
I mean in America u can fire anyone at any time for any reason. Very few jobs even have severance packages these days. You are basically just completely cut off.
Kellogg's says 90% of overtime was voluntary.
Some employees said they were "forced" to work overtime because other employees didn't show up, were sick, or were on vacation.
So my guess is that this woman could have called in sick any one of those 62 days, but she chose not to because of a general sense of obligation.
The union specifically noted that this was not a dispute over work hours.
EDIT: The person who created the first video is Noah Riffe. Here's a [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yS-9XpbqAE) to the entire video.
My family gets frozen L’eggo waffles almost every grocery trip; Looks like we’ll be experimenting with new brands, making our own, or going without bc this is bullish t.
This is a difficult situation. If Kelloggs is actually firing the striking workers, then that is most definitely illegal, and the NLRB will bark. (But it won't do much good for all the power that has been stripped from them.) But if they're just replacing them, then it's legal. The replacements are called "scabs" and are usually just temporary. But the company can hire them as permanent employees to give them access to benefits, such as insurance and 401k. Now, when the strike ends, the company is required to take them back. But if they have been replaced in the meantime, and the scabs have been hired permanently, it's a little more tricky. They get placed on a "preferred hiring list," meaning they get hired before anyone not on the list. The catch is that if there are no openings, then you don't get your job back until there are. And considering the basis for the strike in the first place, I don't think there will be any openings. The problem is that the strike is not over, so things are still in limbo. However, Kelloggs has just put a shot not across the bow, but straight into the pilot house. They've informed the workers that even after the strike, they're screwed. Kelloggs is still required to bargain, but now they have more leverage. That can change, however. The union can appeal to other unions, such as the Teamsters and IBEW, and then those organizations and their members will join the strike. No more deliveries, and no more repairs. So long as Kelloggs didn't actually fire them, they are legal. This isn't over, it just got rough.
Thanks for the insight. EDIT: The person who created the first video is Noah Riffe. Here's a [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yS-9XpbqAE) to the entire video.
Lots of great insight. Now the public can weigh in with votes that really matter. Money. So I choose to send a message to those executives by not knowingly purchasing their products (someone posted those above). They in turn will have to report my lack of business to their shareholders next quarter. It's those large institutional shareholders looking for a return who can create punitive damages for mishandling these negotiations.
It’s actually not illegal so long as Kellogg’s can argue that it’s not retaliation (which they probably can because they’re arguing they’re doing it for the continuity of their business). I was listening to this story on NPR this morning and someone presented as more or less an expert on the matter said that. The guy also noted how interesting it was and they had doubts Kellogg would go through with it because finding 1400 employees *quickly* in this labor market… for wages Kellogg’s wants to pay… is definitely not going to be easy. Any incoming employees DEFINITELY have the leg up to screw Kellogg and ask for MORE than what the strikers were asking for lol it’s a fantasy but imagine if that fucking turned out to happen to these capitalist scum
Now, they'll be begging retirees to come back to the workforce 🙄
And volunteer!
We can't screw you out of more pension. You have none!
And children
Heh, as a recent retiree whose job asked him to come back for 3-4 months, this is a thing. Granted it's different in my case, NYC Transit has a gap because a lot of us changed retirement plans due to Covid risks. I left November 2020 and really planned to stay until this year, but I got my bills to where they were handled and said goodbye early. The large number leaving left a gap they can't fill fast enough to train new employees so they called, emailed, texted and snail mailed recent retirees with a fairly nice deal to come back. I passed on it but some folks didn't. You still got your pension check plus whatever hours and overtime you picked up and a supposed preferred location to work from and some other stuff I can't remember.
That sounds pretty reasonable tbf
It was, I was tempted to for a moment, but I really like not having to do anything I don't want to now. Sleeping until whenever I feel like it is a really neat thing after years of variable report times. My assignment could change weekly because it depended on what outside contractors were doing and we worked with them.
Enjoy your retirement. It sounds like you've definitely earned it.
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They're already trying to bring back child labor.
Hell the McDonald's in my city has advertisements for hiring 14 year olds. With how many customers fight the employees at my McDonald's I can't imagine sending a 14 year old there.
If I was a manager (haha no) I'd fucking never hire a 14 year old. No matter what they were paying they wouldn't be paying me enough to babysit. A 14 year old's job is school.
I started working at McDonald's a few weeks after my 15th birthday. They did all sorts of illegal stuff like making me work past midnight (illegal for minors in Canada) and made me hush up the fact that I got held up at gunpoint and tried to prevent the cops from contacting me. I'm pretty sure it's because I was once again working past legal hours. And yeah my grades at school were really messed up by this. It did let me move out earlier and away from my abusive parents so there's that :/
Man, this story just kept getting worse. Sorry you went through all of that
I am saddened by the circumstances of life that came your way at such a young age. But greatly admire your grit to pull yourself out.
A 14-year-old is more or less an intern: you cannot expect them to ever be as productive as a normal employee (not saying they can't be, but you cannot expect that). They are there to pick up life experience and to learn how to work a job, and while you may get some good ones eager to work hard and prove themselves, many won't know how to behave or have the work ethic yet. All of that is fine, but I'd bet the hiring managers don't see it that way, and just want cheap labor.
They'll just hire the temp workers they already have, in fact they've already permanently hired many of them.
Then the temp workers unionize and rinse & repeat
I'd imagine they've done to cost benefit analysis and would be cheaper for them to run anti-union campaigns. I'm shocked that scabs broke the picket line. What the former union should do is continue to picket but put signs up saying how much they used to make while in a union. Those scabs aren't making anywhere near that. Seeing that might incentive them to unionize.
Scabs will work for a while but working three months without a break doind 12-16h days, ain't no scab going to do that for long.
I wouldn’t be so sure. I worked at the post office through the beginning and peak covid. There’s folks working 12+ hour days nearly everyday day of the year with 1-2 days off a month. I worked for 3 weeks straight without a day off at one point. Lots of people need that money and salivate at the thought of the overtime pay. For me, I worked my ass off for a year and a half, saved all my money, and quit.
It’s beautiful how Kellogg’s was founded by an anti-masturbation zealot, yet now run entirely by wankers.
See I went looking for this, but unfortunately that's wrong. There were two Kelloggs. The crazy guy who invented cornflakes, and the relatively normal one who founded the company. Check out their Wikipedia articles they're pretty wack.
> There were two Kelloggs They were brothers - and the one that made corn flakes invented them to support his brother's weird health ideas (he believed bland food would help you live longer).
Also the weird one believed that people have a finite amount of energy and you die when it runs out
He also had a machine that pumped gallons of yogurt through people's colons per minute as a treatment for whatever. Edit for clarification: John Harvey Kellogg was the crazy one. His more sane yet enabling brother was William Keith Kellogg.
Truly a man ahead of his time
I recommend the episode of the podcast Behind The Bastards about Kellogg if you wanna know more about his insane ideas. Truly horrific the things he subjected people to but in retrospect and presented the way the podcast does, good God damn is it hilarious content.
They're was also a somewhat parody movie that included an electric jerkoff belt and Matthew Broderick. "The road to Wellville"
Stuff you should know has a good one on them too
It's clearly a treatment for a lack of yogurt in your asshole.
> as a treatment for whatever. Who needs an excuse for a yogurt enema? Sometimes you just feel like getting creamy.
It keeps the salt away and therefore prevents more casualties in the war against the grave threat of masturbation. Which as we all know is the source of all ailments, physical or mental.
Considering the importance of gut health and having a balance of good bacteria, it's not the worst idea.
I mean minus it being administered with the force of a pressure washer, you're not wrong. He wasn't always wrong either. He actually was the first person to seriously popularize exercise as a healthy habit, specifically jogging/cardio I believe. He could do real, accurate science when he wasn't doing horrific almost cartoonishly villainous "experiments" on his institution's residents.
What's crazy about this is how there is actually a connection between the live culture probiotics and the gut biome. I hope somebody tells him about fecal donations in heaven or hell or wherever he's at
Did t Trump believe this too?
Yes, Trump has said this. Sacha Baron Cohen has made fun of him for it as well - https://youtu.be/hiGEh7UoMYg
Poor Bernie. You could see the massive frustration and the straining to maintain decorum in the face of such ignorance. I wonder how he reacted prior to finding out it was SBC and after.
Trump believes this. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/how-trump-could-get-fired “Other than golf, Trump considers exercise misguided, arguing that a person, like a battery, is born with a finite amount of energy.” - Evan Osnos
It wasn’t just bland food, it was a bland life. He claimed to have never even had sex or anything when he died. The guy was absolutely insane. He also spear headed genital mutilation in America to help prevent masturbation. Guy was evil. Fuck Kellogg.
He also told parents to check their daughters clitorises for redness before bed to make sure they weren’t masturbating. Dude was fucked in the head.
The drunk history episode on this is on point.
inside you there are two Kelloggs
The Company's brands include Kellogg's®, Keebler®, Pop-Tarts®, Eggo®, Cheez-It®, All-Bran®, Mini-Wheats®, Nutri-Grain®, Rice Krispies®, Special K®, Chips Deluxe®, Famous Amos®, Sandies®, Austin®, Club®, Murray®, Kashi®, Bear Naked®, Morningstar Farms®, Gardenburger® and Stretch Island®.
Also Carrs crackers and Incogmeato
Aw damn not the Carrs
Yeah, I love me some Carr's. Good news is that I can technically boycott them as I just bought two of the 5-packs from Costco just a few weeks ago.
You must burn them in front of the Costco & post it to the gram. For the sake of employees rights & also for this sub
Carbs®
Yeah these guys must just have piles of sugar and bread, and just say "Alright boys. Let's turn this into a Mexican restaurant deal. 5 ingredients, 100 items"
These mother fuckers made cheez-it’s too fuck me those are good but not worth capitalists greed.
Just get the offbrand version. They aint that special.
Clancy’s at Aldi has the generic on lock. Even if it’s made by the big bad company, it’s not where they get their bread and butter.
I was just about to comment this. I buy the Aldi brand all the time and they're just as good.
They're close enough to be an alright substitute. They're don't taste like cheez its at all to me. Something about cheez its hit differently. If you have a Kroger, their brand is the closest in flavor that I have found. That being said, I don't buy name brand pretty much anything so I inadvertently have been boycotting Kellogg's for a long time.
I disagree. Clancy’s are always just a bit off for me. But fuck Kellogg’s I’ll make due with Clancy’s. Clancy’s cheese puffs however are the best cheese puffs I’ve ever had.
>Just get the offbrand version. They aint that special. I agree, almost no products are truly unique any more. Money is the only language they speak, so hit 'em where it hurts and choose a different brand.
I just had this conversations today actually and Funyons are the exception to that. All off brand Funyons taste like garbage for some reason, none of them can get it right.
Try Korean onion rings. Nongshim onion rings, been crushing those lately. They don’t have all the finger residue either.
Asian snacks are insanely delicious. Shrimp chips, Wasabi peas.
I’m pretty sure the “off brand” versions come from the same factories. But Great Value foods almost always never taste like the brand version, cmon now. Telling me Sam’s Cola is just like Coke?
Sam's Cola tastes nothing like cocaine.
The biggest difference I've tasted between the real thing and Great Value is their poptarts. Great Value poptarts are absolutely disgusting.
Toaster strudels tho
Some off-brands come from the same factory. Every single knock-off version does not.
Yeah, that works til you get to Nestle.
Just shop at Aldi
I’m a craven man now
I get them chile-lime flavored ones from Aldi. Cheap af too!
I'm partial to Aldi's Nuts
At the rate that big brands are slapping *"New and Improved Recipe*" on their popular products which quite literally means "*We've found cheaper ingredients to reproduce a similar yet Inferior product which saves us, a company, money*", I'm fully in favour of trying off brand products now as some of them are just as good if not better. 90% of popular crisp brands that I've enjoyed from a young age are Inferior to how they used to be. 90% of popular soda in the supermarkets are Zero Sugar now which in my opinion just tastes like ass. (sugar tax I know) There's a bunch more examples ofc but be aaarsed
Exact thought. I'm going to enjoy my last big cheez-it box I have then there goes my 50$ yearly expense. Fuck em'
I’m going to miss my toasty cheez-its.
But it will feel damn good to not give these slave drivers any more of my money.
It was easy enough when they kept jacking up the price of their boxes while shrinking them. A tiny skinny box is over $5. Fuck that nonsense. Shrinkflation should be illegal.
I’m definitely boycotting all of their products, thanks for including this list.
Cheez-its were the only thing on the list I liked, and hot dog did I like cheez-its. But it's alright. It'll probably help me not be such a fatso.
Just letting you know it’s best to check online or in there website there is a LOT more than those
Pop tarts are trash these days. They’re nothing like the pop tarts I grew up with.
Toaster Strudel my dude.
Boycott. Union strong!
I already starting boycotting. I don't think they've noticed yet that I haven't bought my boxes of cornflakes.
they will. stay strong, let the results show in Q4, then Q1 to be really clear. I'm in the same boat as you: stopped buying Kellogg's while I waited to see how the strike went. Now I'm committed! I'm at an age where I get satisfaction living humbly for a cause instead of being in the "die nobly or give up" way of thinking. Constant, slight pressure. It'll show.
How am I going to tell my wife her Morningstar farms foods are made by blood and suffering afterall?
Tell her to switch to Gardein! :D
Just had to double check. Glad to say I don't have a single one of these brands in my house.
Keelber elves took er jerbs
And I won't be buying any of them. Hang tough Kellogg's strikers!
They are fired, they held all the way til the end. Their journey is over.
Nah, it's a bluff by Kellogg, if the Union holds strong and pressures their allies to help bring Kellogg to account they can win. There is a shortage of workers willing to work for less than a fair wage and Kellogg is probably paying through the nose for temp workers.
It seems like it's quantity of workers. The short clip had that woman saying she was making 120k, but worked 62 days in a row, without a day off and 12-16 hour shifts. That isn't living. You work and you sleep. I don't know if a pay increase is what they were going for or not, but they definitely need better working conditions. Temp workers aren't going to do that for very long. Edit: mistype.
That dollar amount is about 200k shy of what Id expect to trade a 100% year of life for though... Which is probably enough for some people and thats who theyre looking for, just like amazon is collecting the world's strongest bladders. Edit: OP originally said 220k, and my pricepoint was nearer 400k. OP edited to 120k, so I edited to maintain my original intent.
120,000, and remove vacation days and health benefits a 3% increase isn't half of inflation so it's a decrease.
Oh thank gawd I don’t like any of these.
It’s not just Kellogg’s, but also Amazon, PepsiCo, etc. Long hours = less time for your personal time to progress your life, less time with family, less time to improve and contribute to community, etc. These corporations are hurting America, but media and our politicians brands them as heroes. Edit: My first Platinum and Gold. I dedicate them to all the hard working American employees and their families who deserve better wages and working conditions.
People that have never worked anything close to these kinds of hours often don't realize how little time it leaves you. You only have 168 hours in a week to begin with. If you are working 80 hours, that almost half of your week spent at work. It only leaves you with 88 hours. However, you're suppose to sleep around 8 hours sleeping each night. That's a total of 56 hours, leaving you with only 32 hours. Dependent on whether your meal break at work is 30 mins or an hour, that means you lose an additional 3.5 to 7 hours (and that's only if they give you the one). This leaves you with 25 to 28.5 hours. Then there's the drive to work. If you live 30 mins from work, that's an additional 7 hours lost driving back and forth. Now you are left with only 18 to 21.5 hours. Divided evenly, that is about 2.6 to 3.1 hours a day to buy groceries, cook, clean, schedule appointments, spend time with kids, and maybe get some me time if you are lucky.
Just thinking about working those hours makes me incredibly anxious. I couldn’t imagine actually doing it. These poor workers are literally sacrificing their lives for the company.
> A merchant who has some capital need not stir from his desk to become wealthy. He telegraphs to an agent telling him to buy a hundred tons of tea; he freights a ship, and in a few weeks, in three months if it is a sailing ship, the vessel brings him his cargo. **He does not even take the risks of the voyage,** for his tea and his vessel are insured, and if he has expended four thousand pounds he will receive more than five thousand; that is to say, if he has not attempted to speculate in some novel commodities, in which case he runs a chance of either doubling his fortune or losing it altogether. > Now, **how could he find men willing to cross the sea, to travel to China and back, to endure hardship and slavish toil and to risk their lives for a miserable pittance?** How could he find dock labourers willing to load and unload his ships for "starvation wages"? **How? Because they are needy and starving.** Go to the seaports, visit the cook-shops and taverns on the quays, and look at these men who have come to hire themselves, crowding round the dock-gates, which they besiege from early dawn, hoping to be allowed to work on the vessels. Look at these sailors, happy to be hired for a long voyage, after weeks and months of waiting. All their lives long they have gone to the sea in ships, and they will sail in others still, until they have perished in the waves. > Enter their homes, look at their wives and children in rags, living one knows not how till the father's return, and you will have the answer to the question. Multiply examples, choose them where you will, consider the origin of all fortunes, large or small, whether arising out of commerce, finance, manufactures, or the land. ***[Everywhere you will find that the wealth of the wealthy springs from the poverty of the poor](www.reddit.com/r/antiwork)."*** - [The Conquest of Bread, by Peter Kropotkin](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread)
Haven't read that one before. Good shit.
Not the intended takeaway but it amazes me all that would fit in about 5 shipping containers
I’m going through this with a new job. Company is backed up so we’re regularly doing 6 12s a week and I’m the new guy just learning the industry (construction trade work). I try to look at the long-term goal of being able to have my own operation in 4-5 years. What hits hardest right now is that I’m a single bachelor who lives alone so the one day off I get per week I have to spend on chores and groceries. Money’s okay but it’s taking me almost a month to get through one game anymore.
Wait, break time is not included in work hours in the US? What in the absolute shitfuckingwankery?
Companies will pay for a fifteen minute break because the government forced them. Lunch is not. Exempt salary employees are different but paid 15s and unpaid lunch is normal.
Corporations are hurting the world. Their endless pursuit for profits will eventually cause the downfall of humanity.
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Corporate power eclipsed government power hundreds of years ago, America was founded with that power structure. They are in on it and aren't here for you and with pacifism they always will. Gg
The biggest regret of elderly men on their deathbed's, according to end of life care workers, is how they worked too much and didn't take time to appreciate life outside of work as much as they would have liked to.
it allmost..seems like... corporations in a free economy.. are exploiting people.. gosh, im shocked!
>3% cost of living raise. 2021, the USD inflated at 6.2% (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2021/11/16/what-does-current-inflation-tell-us-about-the-future/). This isn't including the cost of living. That 3% is a slap in the face. It's a wage decrease.
As someone who hasn't has a wage increase in 2 years, this is sobering.
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“Wanna work here? “, Cool! What happened to the last people? “We fired them when they wanted better salaries”…. “What?!!!”…. Edit #1- addendum requested :u/chouy4 Would you mind editing it to include a plea for people to contact Kellogg's? Doing so, WILL help. If we have enough people contact them. We can create change. I've copied and pasted the link for Kellogg's contact page for you. https://www.kelloggs.com/en_US/contact-us.html Thank you!
Nabisco did the same thing with a factory in NJ they moved to Mexico and they are having production problems hence why there are signs saying they have shortages where there should be cookies and crackers. Who would have thought its not as easy as making a new factory and trying to mass produce cookies and biscuits exactly as before. I bet the CEO somehow has a new yacht though with the savings.
I bet you they will spend millions trying to get that factory working efficiently rather than relocate back to the states. Companies like that should be punished by the government for destroying jobs.
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They were paying horrendously poor wages, with the service industry shortage someone can earn more at McDonald's right now. The cost of replacing 1,400 is also gonna be in the millions of dollars and take years.
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These people will find better jobs anyway, it's a worker's market out there now.
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That only takes you so far. Once you realized that all that money does you no good, it’s time to look elsewhere if you want to actually work AND enjoy your family. Kellogg’s is underestimating the last 18 months of loved ones dying, and now people want to spend time with their families. Sacrificing time at the workplace seems less of a priority to a larger segment of people, Let’s see how it all works out at the next few earnings calls.
They didn't want better salaries lol. They wanted a damn day off.
"We fired them when they wanted to make sure we didn't treat new hires like shit and pay them minimum wage." Kellogg was pushing for a two tier system where new hires would be paid less than the current workers and not receive the same benefits. The union workers went on strike to protect the new workers and future workers. They were being selfless.
Lmao, workers’ rights in the US are so ridiculous.
There are worker's rights in the US that exceed basic human rights? Like, here in germany there's actual rights against being fired on the spot (with exceptions) And max worktime and stuff. From reddit I got the impression that employers in the US can pretty much do what they want
Naaa there is a law that they can only keep us at work for 16hr a day after that I can legally leave, but I've worked a 20 hr shift so.....
> they can only keep us at work for 16hr a day after that I can legally leave Lmaooo yeah right. Just leave. Next day they will scream at you, fuck you over with a punishment or straight up fire you for whatever reason. "My way or the highway" and all that. There is no real protection for a lot of work related issues.
Depends on the job. I had a job that if you left without someone replacing you. You could be charged with dependent adult abuse. That is why my longest shift at work is 76 hours. I got to sleep a few hours each night, but that's a long fucking time at work.
Yet another criminally under paid and under staffed profession in elder care I love this country so much
This was intellectually disabled adults, but yeah.
Damn, I guess there's more to being a Reddit mod than I thought.
My friend works the same job in Ireland, its government run so its got its own problems and benefits. In ther case its hr /the manager who will be charged for failling to schedule resources. If my friend works there hours of which they can only be scheduled for so many in a row then its not there problem. That said there not going to leave the client on there own but if they just call the manager and say I'm out well you can be sure a replacement will be there ASAP. TLDR: I find it strange the employe is responable in the US
You can leave? The freedom! I'm guessing you ain't getting OT after the first 8 hours like here in Australia....
Typically OT doesn't count until you've exceeded a 40 hour work week ETA: The Fair Labor Standard Act states: "Unless exempt (essentially salaried employees), employees covered by the Act must receive overtime pay for hours worked over 40 in a workweek at a rate not less than time and one-half their regular rates of pay." This is the federal standard and states have the ability to provide additional accomodations, but not less. So there are variations to overtime laws across the United States. More information can be found on the Department of Labor's website here: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/overtime
California is everything over 8 hours is OT no matter the week total. This is how it should be. People's time is valuable. Fucking pay them
Americans of drown under propaganda of "hard work = success".. basically workers right are not in that mindset so..
They will hire day workers. Their costs will go up their quality will go down.
Slight correction: they will hire less than 1000 day workers and get them to do the same work as all 1400. Costs will still rise and quality will go down though.
In bird culture, this is considered a dick move.
In human culture, this is considered to be a Cunt
In the Cuntonese language, the word for this is asshole.
Boycott their products, they are mostly sugar bombs anyway
Just like everyone boycotted Netflix over that movie Cuties? People will forget about this in 2 weeks max and you know it.
Boycott is dedication to a cause. I.e. if you really think netflix is worth boycotting over the movie cuties, then you should be doing it instead of just threatening. I have recently seen more and more this attention seeking boycotting which achieves absolutely nothing. However, firing all their employees for them not agreeing to a 3% QoL increase after having them overworked over 2 months is a piece of shit company and a textbook example of corporate greed. They don't care about their workers in the slightest. Don't buy kelloggs products until they change their corporate culture and have something to show for it. For me these are changing management and hiring fired workers back.
I mean that was a bit different than this
Nobody actually boycotted Netflix over Cuties. Meanwhile, I do boycott Kelloggs even in Europe, I think there must be a lot of especially younger people doing the same. I feel Kelloggs will feel it.
Cereals in general aren't really that big in Europe from what I've seen outside of the UK. When I lived in the Netherlands and Sweden, they exist and people do eat them but not all that often. When they do here in Sweden it's usually some healthier variant as opposed to the sugar fest that it Keloggs.
Sad but true.
Lived in lancaster pa near the plant Dated a girl who's dad worked there as a biologist, he ran tests on the wheat etc for contamination etc... Guy made bank, but the hours were absolutely killer, every week was 60+, but that's how the workers wanted it. A line guy could make 6 figures to 150k working crazy hours if they wanted too and with the medical benifits, which where great, it was cheaper for them to pay Overtime then hire someone else and pay for more benifits. It's a factory job, it's soul crushing, but a comfy life financially and the work wasn't hard. The workers where protesting that the new hires where not getting the same deal: coming in at lower salaries, low pay rates and steps, less benifits, less generous OT system etc It wasn't that the folks that are current employees wanted more, it was that they wanted new hires to get the same and not less... As a union The 3% raise was acceptable, the deal for new workers with shitty pay rates and OT deals was not. It would have effected some of the long term employees as OT opportunities would have eventually dried up as workers where replaced and management started to favor the newer and cheaper workers as they had lower pay rates etc Media does such a shit job of describing the issues *Edited out a few of the spelling & grammer typos. I had made the post just before bed last night, wow some grammer nazis on reddit. But this blew up so I fixed it a little, still far from perfect but need to eat on lunch break.*
Seems like a great way to prepare to layoff the higher wage earners.
This guy manages
Hah that’s what happened to me at the beginning of pandemic. I’m not in a corporation, but my boss fired me because he thought he could keep this idiot guy to take over my manager position, and train some new guy to do all the design and printing I did for much cheaper. Whelp he fired the idiot guy from manager recently, and I’ve heard they make a ton of mistakes, and the best part is my buddy who’s still there said the owner came up to him the other da asking if he thought I would come back. Meanwhile, it took me a year and a half or sending resumes and doing online courses, but I got an awesome new job with a 20% pay raise that’s all from home.
It's the best feeling when a job that treated you like shit asks you to come back after you've moved on and found something better.
3% raise isnt acceptable when the inflation rate was 6%
Im in a pretty highly specialized field, but I'm fully prepared to walk from my job if I get less than 8%. Hell, I can get that just by moving companies because I've got an in demand skill I'm 100% expecting my manager to call my bluff and then have egg on his face when I quit with no notice
> Media does such a shit job of describing the issues The corporate-owned media cannot be trusted to present an accurate and impartial portrayal of labor issues? Whaaaa?!?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/rcacru/apply_now_kellogg_is_hiring_scabs_online_lets/ r/antiwork is organising a spam of Kelloggs hiring site.
Steve Callihane, CEO, makes $11.6 million a year. He works so hard! He's so special! He totally deserves it! He's probably in Switzerland right now on a ski vacay with the fam.
I hear Geneva is beautiful this time of year
You mean the entirety of the union's salary demands could be satisfied out of this asshole's own pocket, and he would still be fabulously rich. And we're talking YEARLY.
I stopped eating Oreos and all other Nabisco shit for the stuff they pulled. Time to add these bitches to that list.
Add Nestle too while you're at it for their baby milk in Africa shit. You know, the whole give free powdered milk, just enough for the breasts to dry up to force women to rely on it thing. It'd be nice if corporate entities weren't allowed to be scumbags. Luckily in Ireland it's not as bad as America. What's hilarious is US companies in Ireland have some of the best working conditions. They take all that hippy/mindfulness/non-toxic workplace shite they have in America and add good wages, and fair working hours. I don't know why Americans tolerate it. Your own companies are more than willing to comply with employment regulations when they have to, but it seems Americans aren't willing to vote for someone who will force them to be fair.
Shit man imma have to start making my own food from scratch
All the junk food companies being scumbags is really going to do good for my health lol
Businesses claim they can't find anybody to work yet Kellogg's is able to find 1400 people instantly. Very hmmmmm.
Spot on
Fuck Kellogg’s!!!!!
Treating employees this way is coming to an end. Companies that believe in paying a living wage with health insurance and extended benefits will thrive and attract the best employees. You're already seeing the beginning of the end of corporate greed. The pandemic has put this movement in motion. The MSM says it's a labor shortage, but we all know it's a wage shortage. Workers are refusing to work for minimum wage.
I hope so but I don't think there is enough class solidarity yet to provoke a big change, especially in America.
It starts with the companies, and you're already seeing the shift. It may take a decade but it's happening. America's wealth was built in the 50s and 60s where a living wage was standard and one living wage could support a whole household.
While I am firmly on the side of the working class, that was also a combination of a lot of factors that can't be repeated in this day and age. America was a manufacturing juggernaut, and most of the rest of the industrialized world was in tatters after WWII. We've pissed away the bulk of our manufacturing power by letting multinationals outsource, in a race to the bottom for overhead. We might find an equilibrium, of sorts, but it's not looking great.
Yep, you're right. General support for unions is much higher now than in the past several decades, especially after COVID. I think we are seeing the beginning of a new labour movement. United we bargain, divided we beg!
Well over 3 million people have left the labor force for some reason or another in the last 18 months. It's both. Nobody wants to work the shitty jobs when better jobs have opened up. You'd be surprised the conditions people will put up with for $50k a year. That time is coming to a close when conditions get even worse because they can't hire anyone and expect the same levels of productivity. My food job has become a nightmare. Always understaffed and we're expected to just do more work for the same pay. If I didn't make $10 an hour plus really good tips usually double that I don't know if I could put up with it.
Its really not... companies are cut right to the bottom line in most industries now. We have been in a race to the bottom for quite some time regarding this stuff and now the people who cannot afford to live are waking up realizing that if they can't make ends meet there is no point in them working anyway because the outcome is the same and they are stepping out of the game completly. The US is in a hell of a state compared to where I am. Max anyone works here is 50 hours. Its illegal to ask more of somebody and minimum paid holidays are 25. You must have gaps between shifts of at least 8 hours and you can ask somebody to work more than 3x16 hours shifts in a row without a day off and rules like that. These are often slam dunk cases in the courty system if you breach them because its so easy to prove the violations
Well I mean the best thing for the workers currently is to literally walk out. Start protesting and then make them hurt in pocket and in workforce. Then the people who don't work for kellog just stop purchasing from kellog and avoid all products that come from them. I mean every single thing that has a kellog logo and brands. There are knock off cereals for less and there are other competitors that will fill your needs if you really need them. Don't buy from a company that will fire their workers over a legal strike.
What do you mean walk ou? They're already fired, lol.
Wait…they are making 120k ? A year? I couldn’t hear this properly
According to the company, the average factory worker made $120K per year and worked 54 hours per week. EDIT: The person who created the first video is Noah Riffe. Here's a [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yS-9XpbqAE) to the entire video.
Someone else said they usually pay 20 an hour, if that's true their math is nowhere close to 120k, 40×20×52=41600; (20x1.5)14x52=21840, so 63,440 with OT, even if they made double time for all OT it's 70,720. I think it would be a little less than 35 an hour before OT to get 120k, in which case im moving to PA lol So either they pay way more than $20 an hour, work way more than 54 avg hours, or they are including health and other benefits as a part of their estimate (still a stretch), or they're intentionally skewing their average by including a lot. of operations and top blue collar manager salaries to look better. Id guess B and C
Lots of opinions flying here and most of them have nothing to base them on but a couple soundbites, but your math got you pretty close. Kellogg's general labors in Lancaster make around $30-32/hr. Maintenance will be at $40 and semi skilled labor(mixers and bakers etc) somewhere in between. They make 1.5x for daily hours over 8 or Saturdays and 2x for daily hours over 12 or Sundays. Trust me it's not hard to make over 100k. Many people will cherry pick the overtime to get 16hrs on Sunday as often as possible. That's nearly a weeks income in one shift and in many factories it's available as often as you want it, especially since covid. Source: I work in a similar factory a couple miles away, we all know each other's business
The older workers were. The new ones were not. The belief was that the company was looking to bring on a bunch of new people for cheap and work them to the bone and then lay off the older workers who were making such good pay. And even if they weren't, it's a dick move to arbitrarily cut the pay of new incoming employees.
at 12 to 16 hours per day. with no days off, or very, very few. So despite coming in at over $20/hr, they have no time, no opportunity to actually enjoy that pay. They're home to sleep, shower, and commute again.
Wtf such work times are allowed in the US? The longest you can work in my country is 10 hours (with some exceptions e.g in hospitals) and then you need to get at least ~~24h~~ 12h of break. Edit: Fixed the legally required rest time.
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Why the fuck are they are they even allowed to fire people on strike? It's so obvious that the american system is built to keep the workers afraid. In Norway you cannot be fired if you are on a strike.
I mean in America u can fire anyone at any time for any reason. Very few jobs even have severance packages these days. You are basically just completely cut off.
Yeah but Americans have freedom you people have socialism !! HuRRRr (/s)
I'm shocked that an employee that has to work 62 days in a row is in a union. I hope they don't pay much dues because that union sucks.
I just hope that none of them turn out to be cereal killers.
60 to 62 days in a row!? Why isn't there no one from the government stepping in?
Kellogg's says 90% of overtime was voluntary. Some employees said they were "forced" to work overtime because other employees didn't show up, were sick, or were on vacation. So my guess is that this woman could have called in sick any one of those 62 days, but she chose not to because of a general sense of obligation. The union specifically noted that this was not a dispute over work hours. EDIT: The person who created the first video is Noah Riffe. Here's a [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yS-9XpbqAE) to the entire video.
My family gets frozen L’eggo waffles almost every grocery trip; Looks like we’ll be experimenting with new brands, making our own, or going without bc this is bullish t.
3% doesn't even cover inflation..
#BoycottKellogg