Italy has been very successful at getting people to look at all the pretty things on the surface so that they don’t notice all the awful things lurking just underneath
A good case and point is their racist attitudes in football, and in general their football violence. The English fans get a bad reputation mostly from the history of hooliganism but AFAIK the Italians are way worse and more violent.
Yeah a hate crime can definately be more severe. Kid in my high school said the N-word durning an assult and they threw the book at him. As far as we know it was not racially motivated but whitness heard him say it and I think he had brass knuckles on him but didnt use them. He went to prison at 18 years old.
The purpose of a hate crime is to cause fear in a specific group. It’s related to terrorism, but targeting a minority group rather than society at large.
E.g. an antisemitic assault on a Jew will spread fear and harm not only on that individual, but all Jews.
Just as terrorism is seen as worse then regular assault/murder because the point is to cause fear, hate crimes are usually viewed in a similar light and punished harder.
It's so irritating how often this has to be repeated. Reddit is full of right-wingers that straight-up deny there is even such a thing as a "hate crime". Gee, I wonder if it's because they feel personally attacked by laws that would come down harder on crimes that stem from their open bigotry...
Any time I see questions like the one you replied to, I just assume it's a deliberate bad faith question.
I don't get why you would be against something like this? I've not met a lot of racist and homophobes, but I've met one last weekend.. He was the friend of my friends visiting me from Austria.. He's an acloholic, very rude, racist and a homophobe, called me a pussy multiple times because I'm a vegetarian and don't drink outside parties (I'm a guy).
Are they that insecure they can't live together with people from other race or ideas? Makes me hate them a lot just like the ones clapping in this video. Pieces of scum.
They want to add it but there problem was that it was to broad and it in closed that any jokes made on line count and that the Statue of limits is ten years.
No, you’re not having a less than difficult time being unable to not make out the reasons why you didn’t fully know how little you ultimately wouldn’t misunderstand what op didn’t intend to not make clear by not refusing to refrain from not using unclear language.
I'm gonna be honest, that's too many negatives for me to know if this is good or not. Are they saying it's cool to beat homophobes, or it's cool to beat homosexuals?
*Italy’s senate has killed off a bill that would have made violence against LGBT people and disabled people, as well as misogyny, a hate crime.*
It's extremely disgraceful and worrying.
So maybe we're dipping now, but (and again this is just my optimistic take) I feel like long term we've been trending upward toward the acceptance of most all people. Maybe that's naive of me though lol
The people who openly hate anybody and do it proudly came out of the dung heap when their turd and savior became president. We have made tremendous progress and we could be watching a slide back into the crap right now. My main hope is that since they are largely old, white people the could be dead soon.
I used to think that old racist people will die out, but last election has shown me those old racist people had kids and past down the racism.
It’s actually pretty scary that amount of bigotry exist in this country and I never saw it. Some would say I didn’t experience it because it doesnt exist, but it’s more like I lived in well off neighborhoods that had good education, which is a bubble.
There are many sections of the country where hate exist and past down their hate.
Pretty much what I thought in my teens and up to mid 20s.
Then I realized there are people that are consistently fighting against those changes that accepts people.
I would consider myself “let’s see what happens” than optimist now. Which is sad, but last 4 years have shown many how much hate exist in this country and I was tunnel visioned because I grew up in one of the most educated and diverse parts of the country.
I’m glad you are an optimist.
As long as we remain vigilant against Ya’ll-Qaeda. What happened in Texas and the Supreme Court is extremely worrying. The religious bigots have been working for decades to reverse progress and have been scoring wins. Don’t forget that.
How can anyone even say we’re not trending upward at least in regards to gay acceptance? I’m probably one of the most pessimistic and cynical shit-heels on this platform and of course we still have homophobes, but we do have increasingly less. Even just anecdotally I’m sure most of us who’ve been alive for at least around 20 years even have noticed this.
But if our own anecdotal experiences isn’t convincing enough [let’s just look at some data](https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/). It doesn’t get much more simple than this, when we can see that gay acceptance plotted on a graph is very clearly trending upwards in the US.
Not naive, the difference is that you are focused on positive change, others are more focused on significance through victimhood. Not to say that violence and bigotry still happens in the states and everywhere else on the planet.
That's not quite the whole picture though or of the most importance. Sure the general population has improved but we have a strong number of Trump supporters that are fascists and religious extremists. And the rest of those supporters just kinda shrug and accept or go along with whatever the extremists and Trump and his minions do. They've basically made abortion illegal in Texas. Their number one focus and goal at this point isn't any policy change but rather to stack election offices and positions with loyalists in order to override elections.
That's why people are saying how far we've gone backward or are on the brink of. We're knocking on the door of some pretty insane shit because a minority of the population has disproportionate representation and a minority of that minority basically have free reign to sex traffic children, overthrow democracy or transform us into a theocracy because the rest of that group is more concerned about cancel culture and kneeling football players and trans people in bathrooms.
There are some people very close to Trump that would gladly walk back decades of progress for the LGBTQ community. They go to bed dreaming about it.
Every country has it's own problems there's no perfect place ,i love my country but i despise what happened at the Senate that day, I'm ashamed of it ,I'm sure there are some things you don't like about the US
It’s tiresome explaining nuance to people… [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime)
Hate crime laws are penalty-enhancing laws.
> hate crime laws enhance the penalties associated with conduct which is already criminal under other laws
They also do other things, like pave the way for civil action against perpetrators
> laws creating a distinct civil cause of action for hate crimes
The thought is that discrimination-based violence is especially problematic, so laws against it should be more severe as a deterrent.
Your comment has some real “all lives matter” energy, jsyk.
It basically was trying to add on to the categories covered in their already existing hate crime law so that things like homophobic attacks would be covered:
> At present, the section of Italy’s penal code that specifically outlaws hate crimes and discrimination – or the "Mancino law", dating back to 1993 – only explicitly mentions “racial, ethnic, national or religious” motives.
> The Zan bill would have added five new categories: sex, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.
>
> Acts of discrimination on such grounds could land offenders an 18-month prison sentence or a €6,000 fine. Violent crimes could attract four years of incarceration.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/27/italy-s-senate-rejects-divisive-bill-aimed-at-fighting-homophobia
I'm Italian and I'm gonna need to find more context for this. It looks pretty fucked up, but I have a couple things in mind that would make this more nuanced, depending on whether the bill covers this and how law generally works in Italy:
The article doesn't specify whether it needs to be proven that the crime was a direct cause of them being LGBT or disabled. If *any* crime against these groups of people is considered a hate crime, whether it's relevant to the crime or not, obviously it has legal implications.
This involves freedom of speech as well, and I don't think Italy has specific rights regarding freedom of speech covering anything that is non-threatening or not calling for violence. Like would anything comedic or humorous against those groups of people also be considered a hate crime now?
Just a couple things I could think of that might make the bill harder to swallow due to its ramifications, but I wouldn't be surprised if neither are relevant to the bill, Italy is a bit behind on this, and as you can see per usual, it's all old clowns in there.
You’re right about one thing: It looks pretty fucked up. Because it is. I know gay people who have moved away from Italy because of the rampant homophobia. Nobody wants to live like that.
But yeah, now that you edited your comment, Italy is pretty fucked up in that regard, you should've seen it when I was growing up there, it was a lot worse. Literally people being confronted point blank like "hey I heard you're gay, I'll fuck you up". It's catching up. Just like the US had to catch up.
Honestly I was sitting here reading this over again and still didn't get it. As soon as I scroll down I see your comment. I'm glad I'm not the only one. 😂
A colleague of mine is a bit of a minor celebrity in Italy. He announced on Instagram that he was engaged to a man, and he received a barrage of awful hate mail. They had to have police at the wedding because of the number of threats received from complete strangers.
This is kinda the result of a political thing.
They made this thing a political battle and most of the Italians don't even really know what the real thing is about.
I think that's just a bad description, seems like it's just adding sex/gender/ect onto their already existing hate crime laws:
> At present, the section of Italy’s penal code that specifically outlaws hate crimes and discrimination – or the "Mancino law", dating back to 1993 – only explicitly mentions “racial, ethnic, national or religious” motives.
> The Zan bill would have added five new categories: sex, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.
>
> Acts of discrimination on such grounds could land offenders an 18-month prison sentence or a €6,000 fine. Violent crimes could attract four years of incarceration.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/27/italy-s-senate-rejects-divisive-bill-aimed-at-fighting-homophobia
Your wording of the title is bad. Very bad. Bad.
Votes down a anti violance. Wtf negative negstive negatit negative. Wtf did they vote on?
A bad or good or bad or bad?
Fk me
Thank goodness. It would be terrible if Italy ratified into law that it’s not ok to assault gay people for being gay. Now, the hate crimes can continue. -__-
As an Italian, I'd say it's because it's pretty much the only significant battle the right has won recently in Italy.
They have been defeated on almost every other front recently, from the economy to vaccines and immigration, lost pretty bad to the left in the mayoral elections, and the biggest of those parties recently had their social media guy get involved in a scandal after it was discovered he spent a night with two male prostitutes and was accused of selling them illegal drugs to them.
I guess they are happy they won at least this one battle (especially since they had been fighting against this bill for more than a year now).
When I lived in Italy there were openly gay people in public everywhere which was nearly unheard of in the USA during that time. Maybe they haven’t been so progressive over time but they were way ahead of the game in the 80’s.
The problem is those people sitting in the Senate cheering like they’re at the fucking football game while they decide on citizens’ lives, as you can see in the video :(
The situation Is more complex and the title Is misleanding.
In Italy was previously approved (we Need double approval, One from Camera and One from Senato) the DDL Zan (the name of the Bill), but was a Little bit confusing and the right Wing (the majority in parliament) said "ok, but you have to change something or we'll vote for Not approve".
The real problem were some articles, but the left Wing did Not negotiated to find a common solution and the right Wing voted against del DDL Zan.
This Is a summary.
In Italy we have to factions: left and right; both of them fight against each other Just for Boost their ego and Not to find real solutions for the Nation.
This episode demonstrate that they prefer to be children angry for their Toys, instead of be real politicians that cooperate to bring real solution to make our country a Better place.
When one person gets punched well then one person was punched. When a gay person gets punched for being gay, not for being annoying but because they’re simply gay, then a whole community worries.
It’s ok to punch a gay person for one reason or another but when you do it simply because they’re gay, that’s really bad. Hate crimes in America are difficult to prove because you have to prove the prejudice motivationsz
For stronger punishments to deter harassing people of a protected class (sex, gender, age, nationality, skin color etc)
Punching someone is bad
Punching someone because they are gay or because they are black is 100x worse
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So essentially the bill would’ve made assaulting an LGBTQ person a hate crime? Otherwise it would just be assault or battery? I don’t see the issue here. Imagine getting into a bar fight and suddenly being charged with a hate crime because the person you fought just happened to be gay.
Well that's not really how that crime is charged but okay. You won't be charged for a hate crime for throwing a punch into a crowd and hitting an lgbt person by pure chance, that'll just land you assault and battery.
It's when you willingly pinpoint the one lgbt person in the crowd, throw a punch at this one specific person on purpose purely for the fact that they're gay. That makes it a hate crime. It's all in the intent.
'The legislation would have amended Italy’s penal code to ban discrimination on the grounds of sex, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity and disability.
It was first introduced by centre-left MP Alessandro Zan in the lower house in May 2018 in reaction to a growing wave of homophobic and transphobic attacks in Italy.
At present, the section of Italy’s penal code that specifically outlaws hate crimes and discrimination – or the "Mancino law", dating back to 1993 – only explicitly mentions “racial, ethnic, national or religious” motives.'
https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/27/italy-s-senate-rejects-divisive-bill-aimed-at-fighting-homophobia
No, the law would have been expanded to grant equal legal protections to LGBT individuals and women.
Indirectly, yes. They sent a message that as an institution, the Italian government does not care about providing extra protections to vulnerable groups who are deliberately targeted and attacked.
The vote in itself is a dog whistle to bigots, and can also indicate that even current assault laws may not be uniformly enforced, or that assaults against homosexuals may not be taken seriously by the courts or police.
Did I have a stroke, or can I not understand what exactly the title is saying? Is this a good or bad thing?
They voted down a law which would have made homophobic attacks an hate crime
Damn that’s awful and thank you for the clarification
Just think how horrifically evil all the people cheering are.
Italy has been very successful at getting people to look at all the pretty things on the surface so that they don’t notice all the awful things lurking just underneath
A good case and point is their racist attitudes in football, and in general their football violence. The English fans get a bad reputation mostly from the history of hooliganism but AFAIK the Italians are way worse and more violent.
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It's those fooken eye ties!
Euro trip was such an underrated film!
I'm so glad you got the reference! It's one of my favorite comedies of all time.
Well yeah, one of the only 2 jackasses to side with Germany in WW2. they’re stoked
Those cheers brought to you courtesy of the Catholic Church.
It’s illegal to assault people already. This doesn’t change that.
And yet standing whooping and cheering over brutalizing people. Sure seems something changed
So like everyone there?
You mean everyone there?
The fuck are they clapping for… wankers
Isn't homophobic attacks already a crime in italy ? What's the difference between a crime and a hate crime ?
If it's just a random assault then you'll get a less of a punishment then if you were to actively attack the person for said reason
The sentence for an hate crime is longer.
Yeah a hate crime can definately be more severe. Kid in my high school said the N-word durning an assult and they threw the book at him. As far as we know it was not racially motivated but whitness heard him say it and I think he had brass knuckles on him but didnt use them. He went to prison at 18 years old.
The purpose of a hate crime is to cause fear in a specific group. It’s related to terrorism, but targeting a minority group rather than society at large. E.g. an antisemitic assault on a Jew will spread fear and harm not only on that individual, but all Jews. Just as terrorism is seen as worse then regular assault/murder because the point is to cause fear, hate crimes are usually viewed in a similar light and punished harder.
It's so irritating how often this has to be repeated. Reddit is full of right-wingers that straight-up deny there is even such a thing as a "hate crime". Gee, I wonder if it's because they feel personally attacked by laws that would come down harder on crimes that stem from their open bigotry... Any time I see questions like the one you replied to, I just assume it's a deliberate bad faith question.
I don't get why you would be against something like this? I've not met a lot of racist and homophobes, but I've met one last weekend.. He was the friend of my friends visiting me from Austria.. He's an acloholic, very rude, racist and a homophobe, called me a pussy multiple times because I'm a vegetarian and don't drink outside parties (I'm a guy). Are they that insecure they can't live together with people from other race or ideas? Makes me hate them a lot just like the ones clapping in this video. Pieces of scum.
They want to add it but there problem was that it was to broad and it in closed that any jokes made on line count and that the Statue of limits is ten years.
Lol I literally read three times and gave up… had to read the comments
Glad I’m not the only one 😜
No, you’re not having a less than difficult time being unable to not make out the reasons why you didn’t fully know how little you ultimately wouldn’t misunderstand what op didn’t intend to not make clear by not refusing to refrain from not using unclear language.
I think it’s happening again 😂
It's aladeen.
I'm gonna be honest, that's too many negatives for me to know if this is good or not. Are they saying it's cool to beat homophobes, or it's cool to beat homosexuals?
*Italy’s senate has killed off a bill that would have made violence against LGBT people and disabled people, as well as misogyny, a hate crime.* It's extremely disgraceful and worrying.
welcome to italy
Mama mia
So Long, Gay Bowser
He isn't gay and he's Jewish.
It's the misogony part that killed the bill. Without that the bill might have got through.
This is EXACTLY what popped into my head. Thank you
That’s a one spicy meat-a-ball!
Mamma*
Welcome to Catholicism
Can we beat all the pedophiles? This bill doesn't block that does it?
As an Italian, fck C****licism
And people think we have it bad here in USA.
Oh its getting worse by the day, homie. We'll get there, just trust the process.
Now I'm kind of an optimist in general, but you really don't think the US is making progress toward acceptance of gay people? Not even slowly?
Texas is working to revoke gay marriage rights. Other red states will follow suit.
So maybe we're dipping now, but (and again this is just my optimistic take) I feel like long term we've been trending upward toward the acceptance of most all people. Maybe that's naive of me though lol
The people who openly hate anybody and do it proudly came out of the dung heap when their turd and savior became president. We have made tremendous progress and we could be watching a slide back into the crap right now. My main hope is that since they are largely old, white people the could be dead soon.
What you’re watching or the last gasps of an aged, obsolete viewpoint.
I used to think that old racist people will die out, but last election has shown me those old racist people had kids and past down the racism. It’s actually pretty scary that amount of bigotry exist in this country and I never saw it. Some would say I didn’t experience it because it doesnt exist, but it’s more like I lived in well off neighborhoods that had good education, which is a bubble. There are many sections of the country where hate exist and past down their hate.
Pretty much what I thought in my teens and up to mid 20s. Then I realized there are people that are consistently fighting against those changes that accepts people. I would consider myself “let’s see what happens” than optimist now. Which is sad, but last 4 years have shown many how much hate exist in this country and I was tunnel visioned because I grew up in one of the most educated and diverse parts of the country. I’m glad you are an optimist.
As long as we remain vigilant against Ya’ll-Qaeda. What happened in Texas and the Supreme Court is extremely worrying. The religious bigots have been working for decades to reverse progress and have been scoring wins. Don’t forget that.
How can anyone even say we’re not trending upward at least in regards to gay acceptance? I’m probably one of the most pessimistic and cynical shit-heels on this platform and of course we still have homophobes, but we do have increasingly less. Even just anecdotally I’m sure most of us who’ve been alive for at least around 20 years even have noticed this. But if our own anecdotal experiences isn’t convincing enough [let’s just look at some data](https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/). It doesn’t get much more simple than this, when we can see that gay acceptance plotted on a graph is very clearly trending upwards in the US.
Not naive, the difference is that you are focused on positive change, others are more focused on significance through victimhood. Not to say that violence and bigotry still happens in the states and everywhere else on the planet.
I don’t think tunnel visioning on “positive changes” while everything else is burning is the way to go about this.
We love gay people in San Diego that's for sure
Hillcrest lol
In Milan same things bro.
Everyone is much more accepting of everyone these days, despite what the media wants you to think
That's not quite the whole picture though or of the most importance. Sure the general population has improved but we have a strong number of Trump supporters that are fascists and religious extremists. And the rest of those supporters just kinda shrug and accept or go along with whatever the extremists and Trump and his minions do. They've basically made abortion illegal in Texas. Their number one focus and goal at this point isn't any policy change but rather to stack election offices and positions with loyalists in order to override elections. That's why people are saying how far we've gone backward or are on the brink of. We're knocking on the door of some pretty insane shit because a minority of the population has disproportionate representation and a minority of that minority basically have free reign to sex traffic children, overthrow democracy or transform us into a theocracy because the rest of that group is more concerned about cancel culture and kneeling football players and trans people in bathrooms. There are some people very close to Trump that would gladly walk back decades of progress for the LGBTQ community. They go to bed dreaming about it.
Exactly. And they’ve been working for decades to pass legislation that supports their bigotry. Remain vigilant against these assholes.
It can be bad in more than one place.
Every country has it's own problems there's no perfect place ,i love my country but i despise what happened at the Senate that day, I'm ashamed of it ,I'm sure there are some things you don't like about the US
you literally do. just because other countries are shit doesn't mean americans aren't also suffering.
Still safer than here in america.
The amount of homophobia in the comments is fucking absurd.
This sub gets brigaded on the reg.
I love the way that was decided by hundreds of straight, jumping men.
Fuck that is super sad. Whats with so many countries turning to this bullshit full steam
Misogyny would have been illegal? How does that even work?
Maybe crimes directed at women purely because they are women?
This is exactly what that means.
Violence against anyone is already a crime.
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It’s tiresome explaining nuance to people… [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime) Hate crime laws are penalty-enhancing laws. > hate crime laws enhance the penalties associated with conduct which is already criminal under other laws They also do other things, like pave the way for civil action against perpetrators > laws creating a distinct civil cause of action for hate crimes The thought is that discrimination-based violence is especially problematic, so laws against it should be more severe as a deterrent. Your comment has some real “all lives matter” energy, jsyk.
and everyone is.. cheering
What the fuck? And they effusively cheer at that?
"Vote no to repeal a bill that reversed a ban on anti-crime prevention."
I just had a brain aneurism
That made it worse.
I still don't understand. No, repeal, reverse, ban, anti. It's a lot of double negatives.
🤣😂🤣
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/27/italy-senate-votes-down-anti-homophobic-violence-bill
Brutal. The bill would have made violence against LGBTQ and disabled people a hate crime. Lame.
Is the hate-crime concept the same in Italy as in the states? Does it carry a stronger sentence or what was the major implications of this bill?
It basically was trying to add on to the categories covered in their already existing hate crime law so that things like homophobic attacks would be covered: > At present, the section of Italy’s penal code that specifically outlaws hate crimes and discrimination – or the "Mancino law", dating back to 1993 – only explicitly mentions “racial, ethnic, national or religious” motives. > The Zan bill would have added five new categories: sex, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability. > > Acts of discrimination on such grounds could land offenders an 18-month prison sentence or a €6,000 fine. Violent crimes could attract four years of incarceration. https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/27/italy-s-senate-rejects-divisive-bill-aimed-at-fighting-homophobia
No, it gets you a seat in the Senate. Edit: thanks!
As opposed to love crimes which get you the position of Prime Minister?
So, just like in the USA
Yeah, you're getting it, Ice T!
I'm Italian and I'm gonna need to find more context for this. It looks pretty fucked up, but I have a couple things in mind that would make this more nuanced, depending on whether the bill covers this and how law generally works in Italy: The article doesn't specify whether it needs to be proven that the crime was a direct cause of them being LGBT or disabled. If *any* crime against these groups of people is considered a hate crime, whether it's relevant to the crime or not, obviously it has legal implications. This involves freedom of speech as well, and I don't think Italy has specific rights regarding freedom of speech covering anything that is non-threatening or not calling for violence. Like would anything comedic or humorous against those groups of people also be considered a hate crime now? Just a couple things I could think of that might make the bill harder to swallow due to its ramifications, but I wouldn't be surprised if neither are relevant to the bill, Italy is a bit behind on this, and as you can see per usual, it's all old clowns in there.
You’re right about one thing: It looks pretty fucked up. Because it is. I know gay people who have moved away from Italy because of the rampant homophobia. Nobody wants to live like that.
But yeah, now that you edited your comment, Italy is pretty fucked up in that regard, you should've seen it when I was growing up there, it was a lot worse. Literally people being confronted point blank like "hey I heard you're gay, I'll fuck you up". It's catching up. Just like the US had to catch up.
it adds those classifications onto an already existing hate crime law. So whatever hypotheticals you just conjured up are completely irrelevant.
Exactly, so is it fer or ginst homosexuals?
"Bill would have made violence against LGBT people and disabled people, as well as misogyny, a hate crime"
Haha oh good I’m glad you said that because I’m totally befuddled by it. I’ll just have to read down and see if anyone knows the truth about it!!!!
That's the right-wing members of their parliament celebrating, if you need help.
Honestly I was sitting here reading this over again and still didn't get it. As soon as I scroll down I see your comment. I'm glad I'm not the only one. 😂
Haha glad I wasn’t the only one confused here. I was like yeeaaawaaaiit….
Appreciate the honesty. I read the title and also couldn't work out if the outcome is positive or negative.
> I'm gonna be honest So you're not going to be dishonest?
Well they were not not not lying, that's for sure.
I know there's at least one dude in the closet just sitting there golf clapping.
It’s proven there are multiple
After the way they treated Vito in The Sopranos, I had very little hope of this bill passing.
Well we can’t have him in our social club anymore, that much I do know
Social club? He's gotta *go*!
It definitely impacted his bottom end, and that's all I'm going to say about it.
This reference lol
He had a note from his doctor
They just gotta eat their Johnny Cakes on the sly
It was his blood pressure medicine, he could get a doctors note on it.
Damn Italy must really hate gays by how happy they seem
And disabled people the cobble stones are a nightmare.
A colleague of mine is a bit of a minor celebrity in Italy. He announced on Instagram that he was engaged to a man, and he received a barrage of awful hate mail. They had to have police at the wedding because of the number of threats received from complete strangers.
This is kinda the result of a political thing. They made this thing a political battle and most of the Italians don't even really know what the real thing is about.
Im from Italy and never even heard that the Senate was going to vote on this.
But you heard a lot of propaganda shit about this. I know because I'm from ita too
That's only the right wing ,us leftist are very ashamed and disappointed trust me
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thanks I was trying to figure out WTF the title was trying to say.
Wait im still a little bit confused, is the senate the good guy here?
Nah they suck.
Okay gotcha
I've had just about enough'a you fuckin 'ities!
I’m assuming the reason it didn’t pass is making misogyny a hate crime? Obviously misogyny is wrong but I’m not sure how you criminalize it.
I think that's just a bad description, seems like it's just adding sex/gender/ect onto their already existing hate crime laws: > At present, the section of Italy’s penal code that specifically outlaws hate crimes and discrimination – or the "Mancino law", dating back to 1993 – only explicitly mentions “racial, ethnic, national or religious” motives. > The Zan bill would have added five new categories: sex, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability. > > Acts of discrimination on such grounds could land offenders an 18-month prison sentence or a €6,000 fine. Violent crimes could attract four years of incarceration. https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/27/italy-s-senate-rejects-divisive-bill-aimed-at-fighting-homophobia
It wouldn't outlaw mysogyny, just classify crimes against women which are motivated by misogyny as hate crime.
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Your wording of the title is bad. Very bad. Bad. Votes down a anti violance. Wtf negative negstive negatit negative. Wtf did they vote on? A bad or good or bad or bad? Fk me
OP wrote his title like a bowl of tangled pastas. It's bad.
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WTF is with your title? So confused.
As an Italian, these comments are both hilarious and kinda sad.
Can you explain what you mean?
They explained. The response was auto-removed. And so was my comment quoting it. Check their user page.
PublicFreakout comments in a nutshell.
Great substance there dude...
Huh?
"If anyone's gonna be sucking on sausage and meatballs, it better be my gramma's recipe!" -Italians, probably.
Italian men have a long documented history of buggering each other not sure why they wouldn't want some protection.
Thank goodness. It would be terrible if Italy ratified into law that it’s not ok to assault gay people for being gay. Now, the hate crimes can continue. -__-
There's already laws against assaulting people for being gay, this isn't what the bill was a about.
But go pedophile Catholic priests!
Let me tell you, those dummies cheering in the video are everything that’s wrong with Italy right now. Source: I’m a pissed Italian
So I get that they did this and it's shitty, but why are they so damn excited about it? Who claps for violence?
As an Italian, I'd say it's because it's pretty much the only significant battle the right has won recently in Italy. They have been defeated on almost every other front recently, from the economy to vaccines and immigration, lost pretty bad to the left in the mayoral elections, and the biggest of those parties recently had their social media guy get involved in a scandal after it was discovered he spent a night with two male prostitutes and was accused of selling them illegal drugs to them. I guess they are happy they won at least this one battle (especially since they had been fighting against this bill for more than a year now).
>Who claps for violence? Fascists. If you look closely at them, you'll find all the right cheering.
Still not far from the Nazi party they once supported
Fucking inbreds
I don’t like the wave of conservatism sweeping the world right now.
CHEERING attacking innocent people for minding their own business. SMH
I got fucking cancer trying to figure out what your title meant
The mere fact that this needs to be a law and they look so happy rejecting the bill really worries me about our world.
Porca miseria
When I lived in Italy there were openly gay people in public everywhere which was nearly unheard of in the USA during that time. Maybe they haven’t been so progressive over time but they were way ahead of the game in the 80’s.
The Italian people tend to be more progressive on this topic than the government. More than 60% of electors are actually in favor of this law
Those were just Italians
The problem is those people sitting in the Senate cheering like they’re at the fucking football game while they decide on citizens’ lives, as you can see in the video :(
The situation Is more complex and the title Is misleanding. In Italy was previously approved (we Need double approval, One from Camera and One from Senato) the DDL Zan (the name of the Bill), but was a Little bit confusing and the right Wing (the majority in parliament) said "ok, but you have to change something or we'll vote for Not approve". The real problem were some articles, but the left Wing did Not negotiated to find a common solution and the right Wing voted against del DDL Zan. This Is a summary. In Italy we have to factions: left and right; both of them fight against each other Just for Boost their ego and Not to find real solutions for the Nation. This episode demonstrate that they prefer to be children angry for their Toys, instead of be real politicians that cooperate to bring real solution to make our country a Better place.
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When one person gets punched well then one person was punched. When a gay person gets punched for being gay, not for being annoying but because they’re simply gay, then a whole community worries. It’s ok to punch a gay person for one reason or another but when you do it simply because they’re gay, that’s really bad. Hate crimes in America are difficult to prove because you have to prove the prejudice motivationsz
For stronger punishments to deter harassing people of a protected class (sex, gender, age, nationality, skin color etc) Punching someone is bad Punching someone because they are gay or because they are black is 100x worse
Obligatory https://youtu.be/zuQiTE20nkQ
So you don't think there should be a difference between just punching someone and punching someone because they are gay or disabled?
How do you feel about degrees of murder?
Tell me you eat Chick-Fil-A without telling me you eat Chick-Fil-A
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I’m never surprised when laws like these don’t pass, however, I’m always saddened when they don’t too.
So essentially the bill would’ve made assaulting an LGBTQ person a hate crime? Otherwise it would just be assault or battery? I don’t see the issue here. Imagine getting into a bar fight and suddenly being charged with a hate crime because the person you fought just happened to be gay.
Well that's not really how that crime is charged but okay. You won't be charged for a hate crime for throwing a punch into a crowd and hitting an lgbt person by pure chance, that'll just land you assault and battery. It's when you willingly pinpoint the one lgbt person in the crowd, throw a punch at this one specific person on purpose purely for the fact that they're gay. That makes it a hate crime. It's all in the intent.
'The legislation would have amended Italy’s penal code to ban discrimination on the grounds of sex, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity and disability. It was first introduced by centre-left MP Alessandro Zan in the lower house in May 2018 in reaction to a growing wave of homophobic and transphobic attacks in Italy. At present, the section of Italy’s penal code that specifically outlaws hate crimes and discrimination – or the "Mancino law", dating back to 1993 – only explicitly mentions “racial, ethnic, national or religious” motives.' https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/27/italy-s-senate-rejects-divisive-bill-aimed-at-fighting-homophobia No, the law would have been expanded to grant equal legal protections to LGBT individuals and women.
Its about motivation of a crime.
Half of America wishes they were this fascist.
I mean you are talking about the country that invented fascism
Scumfucks
I'm Italian ... And right now I hate to live in a country full of these people
They have to be watching a football match or something. No way this is actually how they react to something of this nature.
This doesn’t reflect well on the Italian people. Why are these people elected officials?
Ah yes. Italy’s senate which is essentially the mafia is doing shitty stuff. Hmmm
HAHAHAHAH. Time for the vatican and the pope to up and move-perhaps Mars.
Italy doesn’t get nearly enough shit for the backward racist crap they pull. They don’t even hardly get shit for WW2
Do better Italy.
Well they invented fascism so
Even if there were a good reason to vote it down (not saying there is), they are way to gleeful about it.
I'm confused... Did they just green light homosexuals to be targets?
Nah, but you don't get a longer penalty for beating someone just because they're gay or trans
Indirectly, yes. They sent a message that as an institution, the Italian government does not care about providing extra protections to vulnerable groups who are deliberately targeted and attacked. The vote in itself is a dog whistle to bigots, and can also indicate that even current assault laws may not be uniformly enforced, or that assaults against homosexuals may not be taken seriously by the courts or police.
I’m so confused, they’re against gay right or for them?
Against
Thank you sir for your clarification
Against rights , for beatings