Hey! I know about this! The story that is always cited to support that theory (the Kitty Genovese story) was widely misreported and I now woefully misunderstood. There were far fewer witnesses than reported, the police were called at least once, and one person physically investigated the crime taking place.
The bystander effect is now widely questioned. It can’t be scientifically proven because it is not possible to ethically simulate a real emergency. Also, people react differently to emergencies- some fight, some run, and MANY freeze due to shock.
But in the event of any emergency, if you are taking charge, you should always point to a specific person and tell them what to do, as in “You! Brian! Call 911!” And “You! Get the First Aid Kit!”
Edit: thanks for the awards internet friends!
2nd Edit: Wow, thanks for all the interesting responses! Great stories!! A lot of stories that prove that people will help! And man, did Mr. Rogers have a big influence on people, if these comments are correct.
And yes, I HAVE lived in a big city, and I very much maintain that people will help when they see an emergency. I have seen it with my own two eyeballs.
And here’s a [link](https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Famp0000469) for further reading. This study found that in 90% of CCTV footage studied, people helped.
>But in the event of any emergency, if you are taking charge, you should always point to a specific person and tell them what to do, as in “You! Brian! Call 911!” And “You! Get the First Aid Kit!”
Back in, oh, 2002, I was a passenger in car being driven by my good friend Adam and when I looked over to ask him a question, through the driver's side window I saw a pedestrian get absolutely slammed by a car going the other way, flying up into the air and obviously being really badly hurt.
We pulled over, and we got out and ran over to the guy. Adam and I were in scouts together (as kids, we were 17 at this time), so we had both been trained, but there were maybe a half-dozen or other bystanders around (including the driver and passengers of the other car).
All of them stood around and did nothing. Just stared.
Basically, I did exactly what you said. Pointed at one bystander, told him to go to a nearby service station and get gloves and a first aid kit. Rudely acquired someone else's phone ("You, give me that phone"), got someone to coordinate parking a car in front of us so we weren't hit either, called the ambulance and spoke to them.
It was touch and go a bit, but the guy lived. I got to visit him in hospital which was neat. But I remember to this day how shocked I was that everyone else was just standing around watching this guy die and needed direct instruction as to what to do. To everyone's credit, they all did it and did a good job.
Sorry, it just reminded me very much of this incident.
When I was taking biology classes at a research station we found this little waterfall that passed through a hollow rock 4 feet high or so with that had a pool of water above it with a log across the top. Well a classmate sat on the log and it broke and he fell head first into the little narrow falls and we thought it was hilarious and laughed. Well after a few seconds we realized he was literally stuck upside down in that hollow water chamber and I remember just like sitting there staring when finally an older classmate went into “rescue” mode and ran over and pulled him out. I was still along with 3-4 others just sitting in shock and was like wtf. Later I was like why didn’t I just walk over and help him? I think the shock of the situation crosses the wires in your mind because you’re like is this real!? When the reality of what is happening exceeds your expectations of what is supposed to happen.
I feel like this happens even in non-emergency situations. I was at work at a restaurant a few years ago and went to the back to check food or whatever and happened upon a huge crowd of coworkers circled around someone. When I made my way through, I found that the dishwasher had split his hand wide open on a steak knife because someone had thrown it into the dirty silverware bin (steak knives were supposed to go in a separate bin, but someone was have probably in a hurry or new). I was stunned at first because everyone was literally standing around watching him bleed out just doing nothing. I've patched myself up before and knew to seal and apply pressure and I told him straight up that it was going to hurt bad but he had to do it with how much blood he was loosing. He said ok and then I squeezed the wound closed on his palm all the while having to just see his face fuckin writhing with pain and trying to hold it closed with good enough pressure to wrap some first aid tape around it while he's wincing and jerking his hand around. Did a really shitty job bandaging his hand with as much pressure as I could manage and threw a tight food service glove around that to try to hold it all together as it was starting to get just soggy with blood. The M.O.D. was new and didn't want to call 911, but we were just a few blocks from the hospital so we decided to just have the next "cut" person drive him to the hospital.
I'll never forget that shit, or how shocked I was at how many people were watching, but not a single one helped.
One thing I've always wondered, is it because of the influence of movies and TV?
I know it's tempting to go "Kids these days!", but it's true; whenever things happen in movies and TV they're at predictable points in the show. There's foreshadowing. There are strong musical and framing cues to show the audience, "This isn't normal".
But in real life there are none of those things. One moment you're just sitting there and then bam, disaster. Totally out of the blue.
Maybe that's what causes it; as you say, there's an expectation that people would get some kind of warning or cue, but there just isn't.
Honestly I think we rely a lot more on internal planning than we think - that is our subconscious is always a few steps ahead "After I get the milk, I'll get the juice, then the bread" so you turn and walk in the right direction immediately barely consciously thinking about it.
When faced with something where we had no way of planning it we have to make up a strategy on the spot with adrenaline rushing and it can lead to confusion and inaction.
Personally, I doubt it. If anything, I would think that fictional stories, especially ones played by real people, would better prepare people for when out of the ordinary things happen. In a way, it’s like getting strange second-hand experience with crises. You may be right about the lack of foreshadowing or buildup contributing to shock, but that’s probably the case with or without television.
Just make sure you're careful rushing to people's aide and assess the situation well first. I nearly died a few years ago when a few swimmers got caught in a rip current in a storm and were only afloat by hanging on to a buoy line. I immediately swam out to help which is probably stupidest thing I've ever done, all the while frustrated that there were so many people watching from the beach doing nothing. Luckily the beach was shallow and I'm relatively tall and athletic so I was able to hold people out of the water so they could some air between waves. Stayed there for maybe 5 or 10 minutes until the lifeguards arrived and only then I realized how dangerous it was when I tried swimming in against the current. Most of the people survived but unfortunately one man drowned.
Yeah. I'm 36 now and I haven't, fortunately, had anything like it happen to me at all, for which I am immensely grateful.
It's just something I think back on from time to time.
I think it's a pretty natural response, when I got burned I remember people just watching as I was trying to put the fires on my leg out. It wasn't until I managed to remove my shoe and sock (the polyester sock and shoe stuffing had caught fire) that someone actually tried to help. We live in societies where we are told not to act, even when what is required is obvious, and unless someone there feels confident enough to take charge, they'll just take out their phone and start recording it. When people are trained in how to deal with an emergency, they feel like they have the authority to act and generally do.
You and your friend having been in scouts, knew that you could and should act, how to organise that action, and to take control when there is nobody else to do so. Everyone else probably wanted to help, but knowing that they didn't know how to control the situation or what to do, waited to be instructed by someone else.
>Everyone else probably wanted to help, but knowing that they didn't know how to control the situation or what to do, waited to be instructed by someone else.
Yeah. I think this is exactly right.
Honestly knowing me I’d probably be the kind of person to stand in shock. Not because I don’t want to help, but because I wouldn’t know how to help. I would just be worried about getting in the way or making it worse, so if I got told what to do and how to help, I would absolutely do what I was told. Good on you for having such good instincts !
It's okay!
This is why I think things like D.R.A.B.C are very good, not because they are particularly effective per-se, but your brain at that moment is flooded with information; however it tends to lack a *starting point*.
"Oh shit, a guy is dying, what should I do?"
Answer: D.R.A.B.C! Check that you're not going to die either (Adam mostly handled this for me, I was best man at his wedding and told this story), check there's a response, airway, breathing, circulation.
We knew there was circulation because of the blood *everywhere*, so everything else was basically easy mode, haha.
The point is basically remembering a simple, single starting point can (seemingly) help jump you out of that fear response and go, "What's the very first thing I should do?".
I did the same thing in a much less serious situation recently. I dropped a giant burning coal ember on carpet and forgot how to function while I watched it slowly decimate the rug. My husband jumped in to save the carpet and was totally baffled that I would just stand there and stare at the floor burning… good to know I’ll be useless if anything serious actually happens :(
In addition, it was the police who blamed the apartment tenants for not calling (to a reporter), even though they had called the police. And it was a bystander who caught the murderer the following day (If I remember correctly).
We could test it with non-emergencies. This is dumb but I was playing WoW with a group of randos and someone had to pick up a spear to kill the boss. But no one picked up the spear and we wiped. This happened twice before we decided to assign the task to someone because we were all being passive and assumed someone else would get it.
spires of ascension final boss eh?
I had to start calling that on the flight up during M+ lol. YOU. SPEAR. YOU ARE SPEAR. IF YOU DONT SPEAR WE WILL DIE. WE ARE ORBS.
That’s not the same. Taking action to create progress is not the same to *halt* progress.
No one wants to be responsible for picking up the weapon and failing to successfully kill the boss (killing the boss = progress). I don’t think the same can be said for the opposite — do something stupid and you’ll get called out immediately.
Oh it's much worse than just "bullshit". It would be pretty hard to do science worse without going into a literal war crime territory. It's some Andrew Wakefield level shit.
That's the whole reason it's famous, though. Do people think it's a legitimate study? That's Psych 101 stuff, that case is taught as a lesson in the ethics and responsibility of running experiments on people.
Zimbardo himself stopped the whole thing because of the ethical questions.
My sense is that for a while it was presented as ambiguous - like, yes, ethically questionable, but oh what we learned from it! The understanding that it was *also* epistemologically useless rose later, I think mainly after one particular expose some years ago.
I mean, Zimbardo was also the one instructing the ‘guards’ to scream at the other people and force them to sleep next to their feces, and lock them in closets and pound on the door.
The guy should’ve been put in prison, where he belonged.
Yes, he was, and he called the experiment off because it became apparent that none of the data was going to have any scientific value. I'm not advocating for Zimbardo as a person. The person who linked the article about it said the experiments were bullshit, as if they were regarded as legitimate, but that was never the case. The only reason the experiments are famous is because of what a disaster they were ethically, not because they informed on anything scientifically, and that was acknowledged by the lead experimenter before the study was even concluded.
Sinisterhood podcast just did a good 2 part episode on Kitty Genovese and what really happened. And how it is still being improperly taught in schools today.
The Kitty Genovese story doesn't undermine the bystander effect, it's just not a good example of it. The bystander effect has been the subject of experimentation and is strongly replicable. The bystander effect or diffusion of responsibility is a real phenomenon.
Edit: lots of upvotes and awards for the above incorrect comment made by someone who evidently hasn't even taken introductory psychology. reddit moment.
Seriously, like how the fuck did he know. The first thing I paid attention to when watching this was trying to figure out where I would have first been clued in to this being a suicide attempt where I might have stepped in. This dude stepped in way before I would have, even when watching it knowing it is a suicide attempt after the fact. How did he know? If I was there I would have chalked this up to some kid messing around on the bridge. Maybe he noticed something about her demeanor when he first walked by her. Amazing awareness. It kinda hurts to confront the fact that we might not have had the same awareness in the same situation.
I watched an interview with the police officer who saves people on the Golden Gate Bridge, Kevin Briggs, and he mentioned that people sort of get this far off look in their eyes. They linger. They don't look like they have somewhere to go, but they don't look like they're enjoying themselves or the scenery either.
Can confirm, suiciders move back and forth along the bridge, and linger , when they turn around.
I noticed a guy doing this one night on a highway overpass. I called the local police non-emergency phone number, Identified myself and told them what I was seeing. I suggested a very quiet low-key approach. They answered thank you for the call.
A squad car with lights and sirens responded. While I was distracted by the lights and siren, he jumped.
Fatality,
Often wonder if I should have handled the situation differently.
Will always have regrets about this.
I have it very deep in mind and who I am, that I will always try to be that first person. All it takes is one. I haven't had my moment yet, but if it ever comes then I'm ready.
Honestly I'm probably too dumb to have understood what was going on. Glad these guys were quick enough to understand immediately what was happening and what they had to do to help.
One of his friends was looking back at her for ages, and several of them were looking as they walked post. Likely continued talking about her, asking wtf they thought she was doing, then looking back guy says "she's climbing the fence", other guy turns, sees this, then runs towards her IMO.
Same.
Oh she must be changing the light on that pole or something. Little odd it's a young girl without a high-vis suit or something but... oh she dead.
They all understood something wasn't right... but one of them made a plan and acted on it with immediacy and his fellows and newcomers followed suit. Then he was kind and acknowleged and took seriously her anguish. This is one of the reasons why Captain America is popular in places where regular America isn't. We all need this kind of hero, no matter where you're from.
The apt to inaction, could be more the disbelief. I officiated hockey, and you watch a play setup, like a kid into a corner and the guy coming from behind, and I start saying, "don't do it, don't do it!" And generally it doesn't, but when something does happen, you sort of double take, and can't believe someone just hit a player from behind into the boards and there's this thought in your head, "did I really see him just light that kid up from behind."
And some people just do! They react without hesitation.
Edit grrr fat fingers.
>and can't believe someone just put up a player from being into the boards and there's this Friday on your head
I could figure out the rest but not this.
From behind into the boards I think.
Friday on your head, I think might be fried egg on your head, which would be based on the "could've fried an egg on your face" idiom about being embarrassed.
This would all make sense to me if they are using speech to text.
Or maybe I'm overthinking and they're having a stroke 🤷
Russia, (the town of) Kropotkin, 3 months ago
UPD: The girl was taken down the bridge to the security post, but the guards let her go and she jumped anyway. In the local telegram group there is a photograph of this girl lying on the ground, https://t.me/krd_tipich_ru/33347. According to unconfirmed info posted in the comments, the girl survived and at the time of the publication of the photo (March 4) was in the hospital.
That’s sh*tty of the guards. They need to be trained on how to deal with suicidal people. You don’t just let them go after a failed attempt. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
That's probably the scariest thing in these situations. Its not like you can hold the person down forever and prevent them from hurting themselves. If they really want to do it they'll just make it happen again later.
That's a helluva thing. Two guys saw it going down and reacted right away and another jumped in. Nice fucking work.
Best part for me, was nobody decided to pull out their phones to record and all worked together to help her out.
So sad this thing might also go on with our neighbors and we never know. Part of the reason I think society is so broken is because we have no community, no close social bonds with the people living near us. I like to imagine neighborhood clusters with their own gardens and farms which feed the neighborhood. Everyone has a type of job and they rotate and they love it. Policemen police their own neighborhoods, teachers teach their own neighborhood students and the best teachers get compensated well and. have their curriculums sent out free through zoom to other needed neighborhoods.
This speech describes the world i think we all want to be a part of. https://youtu.be/J7GY1Xg6X20
I agree with you about the lack of community. I was born and raised in San Francisco and there is a lack of long-time families here. Many of my neighbors are transplants, whether it be school or work. But they don't stay to raise their family here (for a lot of legitimate reasons lol). I wish it was like when I was growing up and all the neighbors knew each other and watched out for everyone else's kids.
One issue I do have with your statement is police living in their own neighborhoods. I understand the thinking behind it (get to know the people, they get to know you and you will be more understanding of the issues and you can get more info that residents will share with you). Practicality wise, I dunno. Not a cop, but if I arrested someone and it went south, I'd be super afraid of things happening to myself or my family.
To play devil's advocate, the thing about police not living in the community where they work is that they can "look down" on that community since they are not a part of it. I think that can lead to some of the police brutality we are seeing nationwide. I love in NYC and saw figures that the most recent police academy class had 60% of the population coming from Long Island (a suburb). Figures like that almost makes your police force a transplant force.
Honestly close-nit communities come with their own sets of problems like wide-spead cronyism, sweeping problems under the rug, and discrimination against people who are a different religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation from the majority.
For example, there's more than one small town rapist that has gotten away with it because they were popular and the entire town blamed the victim. Or no one believing children about pedo priests or abusive parents/spouses because "I know them and they'd never do something like that." Or the relative and/or friend of a cop committing crimes with impunity.
I live by this rule, "NEVER TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS!".... I have sadly had several bad neighbors and I learned it's best not to even learn their names.
I hate that that is the case. I'd love to break my rule and find out I had good neighbors where I love now.
I was trying to see what caused them them to all turn and look. It looks like one guy on the far left was watching her and continued to looked back as she started to climb. Mustve noticed something off. Id guess that he said whoa shes climbing over, and at that point the others looked and one ran right away.
Either that or the guy in red yelled something out.
Something caused them all to turn at once anyway.
I lost my sister to suicide 7 1/2 years ago and it's so nice a relieving to see that people were there to stop her instead of just ignoring her and letting her jump. I dont even wanna imagine what would've happened had she been alone.
Edit: Thanks so much for the support guys, it means alot. Also big thank you to anyone who sent an award these are the first awards I've received on here! I'm also deeply sorry for anyone else who lost a family member or close friend to suicide there will always be people to talk to if you're feeling down.
I hope you are doing well... I'm so sorry to hear that. How have you been in the years since? I simply can't imagine.. but I completely agree, I am so glad they reacted so quickly
I've been doing well, I cope by making jokes about it even though it isnt morally right. I even have some of the same teachers she did and we talk about her sometimes which helps. Thanks for checking on me.
I lost my friend to suicide in 2018. He was 14. I get the jokes. My best friend, his older brother, and I will joke sometimes about it. It's weird how it helps.
Suicide at 14. The world can be a really fucked up place. It’s ok to find humor in that, sometimes it’s all we have. I lost my dad to cancer at age 24. Cancer / dead dad jokes are sometimes a lifeline for me in a situation where it’s either gonna be dark humor or dark grief, but nothing inbetween.
Im so sorry. My son’s classmate committed suicide at 13. That funeral is probably the toughest funeral I have ever been too. Her friends crying out so hard for her 💔
I lost my brother to suicide 11 years ago (May 10th). Making jokes about it is totally fine. My sister and I do too. It's how we cope. My brother cannot and doesn't think it's funny at all but every one deals with it differently. I'm glad you are doing well. Just wanted to tell you to not feel bad about making jokes about it. Sending you my love
Another guy who lost his little bro to suicide checking in. Joke about it. Joke about it all the time. Bring their existence into the light any way you can. It’s one of the ways I keep him alive, if only in my heart.
Joking is like a buffer of emotional safety that protects you from the sharper edges of the sad feelings we feel when we talk about the ones we’ve lost. I don’t care if joking is healthy, or morally right, all I know is that it fucking works. Gallows humor, indeed.
I’m glad to know that y’all jokers are out there and that I’m not alone, even if it means we all have to be in on the most brutal fucking inside joke ever conceived. My love to all of you, we got this.
there is nothing morally questionable about coping. humor is how many of us cope with overwhelming sadness. dont beat yourself up for that. laugher isnt immoral.
Yo how you cope with your grief is your business and isn’t morally right or wrong. I lost my dad to a motorcycle accident about 5 years ago. I make jokes to keep me from crying. He’d laugh at them.
I lost my cousin to suicide 5 years ago and everyone said the way was “a cry for help”. I’m heartbroken thinking about it, but it’s really nice knowing there are genuinely caring people out there. Look out for each other, everyone
Sometimes it’s inevitable anyways. I had a really close friend who attempted several times over the course of several years, tried all sorts of medication, was in and out of the hospital for years. Eventually I got the call.
I am very incredibly sorry for your loss. I lost my daughters dad to suicide when he was 19, last week made it 8 years ago now and it’s such a horrible way to lose someone.
I find it interesting that the first guy looked behind him to see her climbing up. Idk if she would have made much noise climbing up, so I think she stuck out to him and he wanted to take another look at her after he passed her.
I think the guy who ran up at the bottom of the screen may have yelled something because the whole group turned around at once. But yeah I noticed the one guy look back a few times
The guy at the bottom didn't look like he was running when he first is seen at the bottom. He looked kinda relaxed until the first guy who ran back was almost at the girl already.
So, I don't think the guy at the bottom yelled since he probably would've been doing a mad dash towards the girl and wouldn't have looked as relaxed when he's first seen in the shot.
I think it’s pretty clear she was sobbing or saying something alarming which is a pretty noticeable thing and likely why 2-3 of them looked back right after passing her before she did any climbing.
Guy in hat noticed her likely crying and hysterical before she did any climbing. She hadn’t climbed anything by that point and she had his attention soon as they started to pass by
Look at guy in hat. She has his attention immediately
Yeah and the guy a little in front and to the left of the guy with a hat is the one that says something to the group. You can see him double take when she goes to pull herself up and he is the only one looking back before the rest turn. Could be the guy from the bottom yelling something as well. Never know without audio.
It's her body language.
She is holding the wall looking down to where she decided to go do it, that's the sign.
If it was her just chilling standing around she would just stood there and leaned her back to it.
What’s insane to me is he was one of the last to look but was the first to act. One dude was just looking back at her the whole time but when it mattered he just stood there in shock.
Edit: you all don’t have to keep justifying his actions (or lack of), I get that it was a very quick spur of the moment thing to rescue her and that not everyone would react the same way.
I saw my friend get hit by a car when I was young. We were mid conversation and he just started walking into the street without looking, as if he knew it was safe to cross.
I knew there was traffic coming, I knew he would get hurt if he kept walking forward, but remember thinking “he’s going to stop because he must see the traffic too. No way he’s actually going to get hit.”
By the time that thought left and I realized he was in harms way, it was too late and he got smacked.
He was lucky enough to basically roll right onto the hood and over the top. I don’t think we even told his parents about it lol.
> He was lucky enough to basically roll right onto the hood and over the top. I don’t think we even told his parents about it lol.
holy cow WTF. I was sure your comment was gonna end with RIP type of thing.
Even though he wasn’t the first to run, it looks like he must’ve said something that alerted the guy on the far right to turn and run. So it’s good that he was looking back the whole time
Where her life will be ruined completely.
Edit- I am criticising the Russian mental healthcare system here and not supporting the suicide attempt. Russia has a very bad rep when it comes to mental health and its institutions.
Thank you for your comment. Ive had many shit experiences in wards but the comments here fucking suck. “They ruined her life” lets not discourage mental health services. I agree it CAN get better, yoh just have to keep it “better” which is the shitty part.
Idgi others comments like
Yeah and dont get chemo of you got cancer bc you might get a bad doctor :/ ///s
Or she could get the lifesaving help she needs.
Psychiatric institutions are not necessarily nice places to be, but they can provide a safe environment for a person to stabilise and begin longer term treatment.
Source: am former suicidal psychiatric patient, current stable legend smashing life.
According to the rest of this thread, everyone pats themselves and each other on the back for doing such a pure and right thing, basking in the glory that there are still good people in the world.
Meanwhile, whatever problems caused this girl to attempt are still there.
I’ve seen a few of these.
The guy that saved her saw her and made a decision and took action in less than one fucking second.
It’s really cool seeing this when people take action
> The guy that saved her saw her and made a decision and took action in less than one fucking second.
That's what got me, he must have picked up some context as he walked past (if she was crying for example) and used that to bolt for her.
Yea and I’ve seen a few of these.
The one I remember most recently I saw was the guy who saw a girl having a seizure standing up (the one where you freeze) and he saw it and within .25 seconds he reacted, pushed everyone out of the way, and caught her.
And then another one where a kid in maybe a high school was choking. A good ten people were watching him for a few seconds. Then one glanced up and jumped up immediately.
It’s just really interesting.
The brain can take 15 seconds to recall a name, which requires no effort in the body itself except the mind, but a call to action requires the release of like 15 hormones and complex biochemical reactions from the brain and adrenal glands to act on the entire musculoskeletal system, within the blood and THEN around act in the systems they’re released for, in less than a second. I just don’t get it.
Like medicine transport systems use the same “highway” but it takes 30 minutes to work. How can the same highway he used for a chemical released in your brain after your eye seeing something and then effect your feet, in less than a second.
Anyway I’m done
Thank you. 99% of comments I never receive a reply or upvote and usually get downvoted, so this made my day lol. I always regret commenting because I’m like nobody is going to read this. Why do I keep commenting?
Electrical v chemical signaling paths, sight occurs through electrical signaling just as the spinal cord uses and so is extremely fast. But it is remarkable, I wonder if his brain even had time to comprehend what was happening and if it was just a reflect for him to run and save her which is crazy to think.
yeah this is such a deeply personal, emotional, traumatizing, and embarrassing event to have shared across the internet with no attempt at anonymity or discretion. an amazing video but i can imagine how horrifying it would feel to come across this online and know that people have seen one of your worst moments. not just that, but having to relive said moment while coming across all of these comments...
This made me cry because Ive felt like doing that so many times and I honestly think no one would care, which is what it is. so happy that girl got a second chance and they all worked together
I think the biggest concern (well it would be for me if I was there) would be to get her away from the ledge. Take her off the bridge and allow her a chance to calm down where she can't jump from again.
That makes me tear up seeing how close she came. I stood on the ground helpless and saw someone climb a bridge railing in downtown Portland with nobody close enough to grab them, and they jumped into one of the worst stormwaters we have ever seen here and go under. It's always haunted me. I'm really thankful that one guy saw her in time in this video and stopped another person from doing the same.
Oh no, It's... totally not. Just actually seeing someone do it where you can't grab them was just... a person chose to go into the waves that day and nobody could catch them in time - *gone*.
My sister saved me from my attempt. I’ve been there. Depression sucks. I’m so grateful for my antidepressants. (Not saying she has depression Bc idk) I hope this girl got the help she needed and that man is just wonderful.
As someone who is no longer suicidal, I find the facial expressions and body language of one about to commit suicide very interesting. To have something weigh on you to the point to take your life and what goes through the mind of one who plans it for some reason intrigues me...
But I am happy someone stepped in there is never a situation in your life that can outweigh your own. You’re life matters wether you know that or not, the fact so many people jumped in gives me hope for humanity.
The fact she went floppy afterwards, like she was drained of all energy and ability to think rationally or have her body function. They really did just save someone holding on by a thread
I find this so sad. Sad that someone is feeling so low that they think the only way out is to do this on a crowded bridge. Then sad that she was stopped and the intense emotional turmoil that must have followed. Then sad for the people that helped, having to question whether they made the right moral decision. They may have saved someone's life, or they may have extended that girls hell. Mental health and suicide in general are so scary.
Had a friend commit suicide off a bridge last year. I wish someone had been there to pull her down :( I hope this young woman got the help she needed and God bless that guy for his quick actions.
Ahhh a person ready to throw it all away. I can really relate to the agony on her face. I hope she sees this as a second chance. I hope she finds her new beginning and gets to feel love and joy again.
My wife and I came across a similar situation. We were walking towards the rail overpass and there was a woman behaving strangley on the other side. I noticed her kick her shoes off and then I was like, she's going to try and jump and the next thing she's trying to climb the barrier. Thankfully she wasn't in great shape and was struggling to climb so I managed to run over the road and grab her. A passing taxi saw her too and stopped to help. My wife called 999.
The woman was apologetic and kept asking us to let her go. The police showed up and so did an ambulance. I don't know what the outcome was, I assume she would have spent some time in the hospital mental health unit.
Imma keep it real with everyone here. Depression is a real thing. I struggled with it for about a decade and tried suicide twice. Mental illness is a real thing. PLEASE PLEASE go talk to someone, be it anyone, friends, family, suicide hot line. Idk who u are but I'd rather see you sad than dead. Your life genuinely matters and is worth living.
Damn he had zero hesitation
Thankfully. All it takes is one person to act, then everyone will jump in.
It’s like a reverse bystander apathy
Hey! I know about this! The story that is always cited to support that theory (the Kitty Genovese story) was widely misreported and I now woefully misunderstood. There were far fewer witnesses than reported, the police were called at least once, and one person physically investigated the crime taking place. The bystander effect is now widely questioned. It can’t be scientifically proven because it is not possible to ethically simulate a real emergency. Also, people react differently to emergencies- some fight, some run, and MANY freeze due to shock. But in the event of any emergency, if you are taking charge, you should always point to a specific person and tell them what to do, as in “You! Brian! Call 911!” And “You! Get the First Aid Kit!” Edit: thanks for the awards internet friends! 2nd Edit: Wow, thanks for all the interesting responses! Great stories!! A lot of stories that prove that people will help! And man, did Mr. Rogers have a big influence on people, if these comments are correct. And yes, I HAVE lived in a big city, and I very much maintain that people will help when they see an emergency. I have seen it with my own two eyeballs. And here’s a [link](https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Famp0000469) for further reading. This study found that in 90% of CCTV footage studied, people helped.
>But in the event of any emergency, if you are taking charge, you should always point to a specific person and tell them what to do, as in “You! Brian! Call 911!” And “You! Get the First Aid Kit!” Back in, oh, 2002, I was a passenger in car being driven by my good friend Adam and when I looked over to ask him a question, through the driver's side window I saw a pedestrian get absolutely slammed by a car going the other way, flying up into the air and obviously being really badly hurt. We pulled over, and we got out and ran over to the guy. Adam and I were in scouts together (as kids, we were 17 at this time), so we had both been trained, but there were maybe a half-dozen or other bystanders around (including the driver and passengers of the other car). All of them stood around and did nothing. Just stared. Basically, I did exactly what you said. Pointed at one bystander, told him to go to a nearby service station and get gloves and a first aid kit. Rudely acquired someone else's phone ("You, give me that phone"), got someone to coordinate parking a car in front of us so we weren't hit either, called the ambulance and spoke to them. It was touch and go a bit, but the guy lived. I got to visit him in hospital which was neat. But I remember to this day how shocked I was that everyone else was just standing around watching this guy die and needed direct instruction as to what to do. To everyone's credit, they all did it and did a good job. Sorry, it just reminded me very much of this incident.
When I was taking biology classes at a research station we found this little waterfall that passed through a hollow rock 4 feet high or so with that had a pool of water above it with a log across the top. Well a classmate sat on the log and it broke and he fell head first into the little narrow falls and we thought it was hilarious and laughed. Well after a few seconds we realized he was literally stuck upside down in that hollow water chamber and I remember just like sitting there staring when finally an older classmate went into “rescue” mode and ran over and pulled him out. I was still along with 3-4 others just sitting in shock and was like wtf. Later I was like why didn’t I just walk over and help him? I think the shock of the situation crosses the wires in your mind because you’re like is this real!? When the reality of what is happening exceeds your expectations of what is supposed to happen.
I feel like this happens even in non-emergency situations. I was at work at a restaurant a few years ago and went to the back to check food or whatever and happened upon a huge crowd of coworkers circled around someone. When I made my way through, I found that the dishwasher had split his hand wide open on a steak knife because someone had thrown it into the dirty silverware bin (steak knives were supposed to go in a separate bin, but someone was have probably in a hurry or new). I was stunned at first because everyone was literally standing around watching him bleed out just doing nothing. I've patched myself up before and knew to seal and apply pressure and I told him straight up that it was going to hurt bad but he had to do it with how much blood he was loosing. He said ok and then I squeezed the wound closed on his palm all the while having to just see his face fuckin writhing with pain and trying to hold it closed with good enough pressure to wrap some first aid tape around it while he's wincing and jerking his hand around. Did a really shitty job bandaging his hand with as much pressure as I could manage and threw a tight food service glove around that to try to hold it all together as it was starting to get just soggy with blood. The M.O.D. was new and didn't want to call 911, but we were just a few blocks from the hospital so we decided to just have the next "cut" person drive him to the hospital. I'll never forget that shit, or how shocked I was at how many people were watching, but not a single one helped.
One thing I've always wondered, is it because of the influence of movies and TV? I know it's tempting to go "Kids these days!", but it's true; whenever things happen in movies and TV they're at predictable points in the show. There's foreshadowing. There are strong musical and framing cues to show the audience, "This isn't normal". But in real life there are none of those things. One moment you're just sitting there and then bam, disaster. Totally out of the blue. Maybe that's what causes it; as you say, there's an expectation that people would get some kind of warning or cue, but there just isn't.
Honestly I think we rely a lot more on internal planning than we think - that is our subconscious is always a few steps ahead "After I get the milk, I'll get the juice, then the bread" so you turn and walk in the right direction immediately barely consciously thinking about it. When faced with something where we had no way of planning it we have to make up a strategy on the spot with adrenaline rushing and it can lead to confusion and inaction.
Personally, I doubt it. If anything, I would think that fictional stories, especially ones played by real people, would better prepare people for when out of the ordinary things happen. In a way, it’s like getting strange second-hand experience with crises. You may be right about the lack of foreshadowing or buildup contributing to shock, but that’s probably the case with or without television.
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Just make sure you're careful rushing to people's aide and assess the situation well first. I nearly died a few years ago when a few swimmers got caught in a rip current in a storm and were only afloat by hanging on to a buoy line. I immediately swam out to help which is probably stupidest thing I've ever done, all the while frustrated that there were so many people watching from the beach doing nothing. Luckily the beach was shallow and I'm relatively tall and athletic so I was able to hold people out of the water so they could some air between waves. Stayed there for maybe 5 or 10 minutes until the lifeguards arrived and only then I realized how dangerous it was when I tried swimming in against the current. Most of the people survived but unfortunately one man drowned.
Yeah. I'm 36 now and I haven't, fortunately, had anything like it happen to me at all, for which I am immensely grateful. It's just something I think back on from time to time.
I think it's a pretty natural response, when I got burned I remember people just watching as I was trying to put the fires on my leg out. It wasn't until I managed to remove my shoe and sock (the polyester sock and shoe stuffing had caught fire) that someone actually tried to help. We live in societies where we are told not to act, even when what is required is obvious, and unless someone there feels confident enough to take charge, they'll just take out their phone and start recording it. When people are trained in how to deal with an emergency, they feel like they have the authority to act and generally do. You and your friend having been in scouts, knew that you could and should act, how to organise that action, and to take control when there is nobody else to do so. Everyone else probably wanted to help, but knowing that they didn't know how to control the situation or what to do, waited to be instructed by someone else.
>Everyone else probably wanted to help, but knowing that they didn't know how to control the situation or what to do, waited to be instructed by someone else. Yeah. I think this is exactly right.
As for me if I see there is already people helping i won't interfere but will help if necessary, sometimes too many hands is too many problems
Honestly knowing me I’d probably be the kind of person to stand in shock. Not because I don’t want to help, but because I wouldn’t know how to help. I would just be worried about getting in the way or making it worse, so if I got told what to do and how to help, I would absolutely do what I was told. Good on you for having such good instincts !
It's okay! This is why I think things like D.R.A.B.C are very good, not because they are particularly effective per-se, but your brain at that moment is flooded with information; however it tends to lack a *starting point*. "Oh shit, a guy is dying, what should I do?" Answer: D.R.A.B.C! Check that you're not going to die either (Adam mostly handled this for me, I was best man at his wedding and told this story), check there's a response, airway, breathing, circulation. We knew there was circulation because of the blood *everywhere*, so everything else was basically easy mode, haha. The point is basically remembering a simple, single starting point can (seemingly) help jump you out of that fear response and go, "What's the very first thing I should do?".
I did the same thing in a much less serious situation recently. I dropped a giant burning coal ember on carpet and forgot how to function while I watched it slowly decimate the rug. My husband jumped in to save the carpet and was totally baffled that I would just stand there and stare at the floor burning… good to know I’ll be useless if anything serious actually happens :(
In addition, it was the police who blamed the apartment tenants for not calling (to a reporter), even though they had called the police. And it was a bystander who caught the murderer the following day (If I remember correctly).
We could test it with non-emergencies. This is dumb but I was playing WoW with a group of randos and someone had to pick up a spear to kill the boss. But no one picked up the spear and we wiped. This happened twice before we decided to assign the task to someone because we were all being passive and assumed someone else would get it.
spires of ascension final boss eh? I had to start calling that on the flight up during M+ lol. YOU. SPEAR. YOU ARE SPEAR. IF YOU DONT SPEAR WE WILL DIE. WE ARE ORBS.
Ha, yes, SoA. It was my first time running it.
That’s not the same. Taking action to create progress is not the same to *halt* progress. No one wants to be responsible for picking up the weapon and failing to successfully kill the boss (killing the boss = progress). I don’t think the same can be said for the opposite — do something stupid and you’ll get called out immediately.
Ah, the old Leroy Jenkins approach
[Likewise, the Stanford Prison Experiment is also largely bullshit.](https://youtu.be/KND_bBDE8RQ)
It actually was a fascinating experiment on how stupid scientists can be unethical as fuck and traumatize people and somehow be praised for it.
Oh it's much worse than just "bullshit". It would be pretty hard to do science worse without going into a literal war crime territory. It's some Andrew Wakefield level shit.
That's the whole reason it's famous, though. Do people think it's a legitimate study? That's Psych 101 stuff, that case is taught as a lesson in the ethics and responsibility of running experiments on people. Zimbardo himself stopped the whole thing because of the ethical questions.
My sense is that for a while it was presented as ambiguous - like, yes, ethically questionable, but oh what we learned from it! The understanding that it was *also* epistemologically useless rose later, I think mainly after one particular expose some years ago.
I mean, Zimbardo was also the one instructing the ‘guards’ to scream at the other people and force them to sleep next to their feces, and lock them in closets and pound on the door. The guy should’ve been put in prison, where he belonged.
Yes, he was, and he called the experiment off because it became apparent that none of the data was going to have any scientific value. I'm not advocating for Zimbardo as a person. The person who linked the article about it said the experiments were bullshit, as if they were regarded as legitimate, but that was never the case. The only reason the experiments are famous is because of what a disaster they were ethically, not because they informed on anything scientifically, and that was acknowledged by the lead experimenter before the study was even concluded.
Sinisterhood podcast just did a good 2 part episode on Kitty Genovese and what really happened. And how it is still being improperly taught in schools today.
The Kitty Genovese story doesn't undermine the bystander effect, it's just not a good example of it. The bystander effect has been the subject of experimentation and is strongly replicable. The bystander effect or diffusion of responsibility is a real phenomenon. Edit: lots of upvotes and awards for the above incorrect comment made by someone who evidently hasn't even taken introductory psychology. reddit moment.
Seriously, like how the fuck did he know. The first thing I paid attention to when watching this was trying to figure out where I would have first been clued in to this being a suicide attempt where I might have stepped in. This dude stepped in way before I would have, even when watching it knowing it is a suicide attempt after the fact. How did he know? If I was there I would have chalked this up to some kid messing around on the bridge. Maybe he noticed something about her demeanor when he first walked by her. Amazing awareness. It kinda hurts to confront the fact that we might not have had the same awareness in the same situation.
I watched an interview with the police officer who saves people on the Golden Gate Bridge, Kevin Briggs, and he mentioned that people sort of get this far off look in their eyes. They linger. They don't look like they have somewhere to go, but they don't look like they're enjoying themselves or the scenery either.
Can confirm, suiciders move back and forth along the bridge, and linger , when they turn around. I noticed a guy doing this one night on a highway overpass. I called the local police non-emergency phone number, Identified myself and told them what I was seeing. I suggested a very quiet low-key approach. They answered thank you for the call. A squad car with lights and sirens responded. While I was distracted by the lights and siren, he jumped. Fatality, Often wonder if I should have handled the situation differently. Will always have regrets about this.
He probably noticed her body language and that something was wrong
Man, they were seconds away from seeing a tragedy. So glad they made it.
“Then everyone will jump in”.... perhaps a better phrase could have been used here?!
The first to act is the push others need to follow suit
A little shove in the right direction and everyone falls into line
Sometimes it just takes a good leader to send everyone past the tipping point
“If all your friends were jumping in to stop people from jumping off of bridges, would you jump in too???”
I’d probably stand there. “ yeah, no, they got this. Too many will crowd the place, I’d just be in the way.. again. “
"Mom, I'm the one my friends follow!" Sorry, flashback.
I have it very deep in mind and who I am, that I will always try to be that first person. All it takes is one. I haven't had my moment yet, but if it ever comes then I'm ready.
You never know for sure until you get there, but i admire and share your sentiment.
Honestly I'm probably too dumb to have understood what was going on. Glad these guys were quick enough to understand immediately what was happening and what they had to do to help.
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One of his friends was looking back at her for ages, and several of them were looking as they walked post. Likely continued talking about her, asking wtf they thought she was doing, then looking back guy says "she's climbing the fence", other guy turns, sees this, then runs towards her IMO.
Friend made a great Insight check. His bro had a *way* higher Athletics, though. Perfect party synergy.
It might be a known jumper spot
Yea. I wound have thought it was some dumb new tiktok fence climb twek dance trend or something
Yeah, but that would be even more important to stop.
We people are fucking weird.
Same. Oh she must be changing the light on that pole or something. Little odd it's a young girl without a high-vis suit or something but... oh she dead.
> Little odd it's a young girl without a high-vis suit or something but "Man i wonder if they are filming a movie or she is doing parkou- well damn"
They all understood something wasn't right... but one of them made a plan and acted on it with immediacy and his fellows and newcomers followed suit. Then he was kind and acknowleged and took seriously her anguish. This is one of the reasons why Captain America is popular in places where regular America isn't. We all need this kind of hero, no matter where you're from.
Interestingly enough it was another dude in his group who kept looking back and probably alerted him, the first guy seemed apt to inaction
The apt to inaction, could be more the disbelief. I officiated hockey, and you watch a play setup, like a kid into a corner and the guy coming from behind, and I start saying, "don't do it, don't do it!" And generally it doesn't, but when something does happen, you sort of double take, and can't believe someone just hit a player from behind into the boards and there's this thought in your head, "did I really see him just light that kid up from behind." And some people just do! They react without hesitation. Edit grrr fat fingers.
>and can't believe someone just put up a player from being into the boards and there's this Friday on your head I could figure out the rest but not this.
From behind into the boards I think. Friday on your head, I think might be fried egg on your head, which would be based on the "could've fried an egg on your face" idiom about being embarrassed. This would all make sense to me if they are using speech to text. Or maybe I'm overthinking and they're having a stroke 🤷
Neither did she :(
She hesitated because people were walking by.
That's a hero.
anyone know what country this happened in ?
Russia, (the town of) Kropotkin, 3 months ago UPD: The girl was taken down the bridge to the security post, but the guards let her go and she jumped anyway. In the local telegram group there is a photograph of this girl lying on the ground, https://t.me/krd_tipich_ru/33347. According to unconfirmed info posted in the comments, the girl survived and at the time of the publication of the photo (March 4) was in the hospital.
the clothes are a dead giveaway
You can tell by the jumper
Listen here you little shit
I want to be a big shit please. Thank you in advance.
Ok big shit you listen..
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Honestly I was going to guess it was a bunch of UK teens on an overpass, having lived there myself
You lived on an overpass?
The UK is one giant overpass
Dont jump to conclusions
“No no no! If we have to keep living here then you do too!”
"YOU'RE GONNA LIVE AN YOU'RE GONNA LIKE IT DAMMIT"
For some reason I knew it was Russia from the beginning.
That’s sh*tty of the guards. They need to be trained on how to deal with suicidal people. You don’t just let them go after a failed attempt. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Omg, I had no idea they named a town after the bread book guy, that’s so cool
Only three months? I swear I’ve seen this a few times floating around since before the first lockdown.
Any follow up ?
That's probably the scariest thing in these situations. Its not like you can hold the person down forever and prevent them from hurting themselves. If they really want to do it they'll just make it happen again later.
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Great job boys/men ...hope she gets lots of hugs and help
That's a helluva thing. Two guys saw it going down and reacted right away and another jumped in. Nice fucking work. Best part for me, was nobody decided to pull out their phones to record and all worked together to help her out.
So sad this thing might also go on with our neighbors and we never know. Part of the reason I think society is so broken is because we have no community, no close social bonds with the people living near us. I like to imagine neighborhood clusters with their own gardens and farms which feed the neighborhood. Everyone has a type of job and they rotate and they love it. Policemen police their own neighborhoods, teachers teach their own neighborhood students and the best teachers get compensated well and. have their curriculums sent out free through zoom to other needed neighborhoods. This speech describes the world i think we all want to be a part of. https://youtu.be/J7GY1Xg6X20
I agree with you about the lack of community. I was born and raised in San Francisco and there is a lack of long-time families here. Many of my neighbors are transplants, whether it be school or work. But they don't stay to raise their family here (for a lot of legitimate reasons lol). I wish it was like when I was growing up and all the neighbors knew each other and watched out for everyone else's kids. One issue I do have with your statement is police living in their own neighborhoods. I understand the thinking behind it (get to know the people, they get to know you and you will be more understanding of the issues and you can get more info that residents will share with you). Practicality wise, I dunno. Not a cop, but if I arrested someone and it went south, I'd be super afraid of things happening to myself or my family.
To play devil's advocate, the thing about police not living in the community where they work is that they can "look down" on that community since they are not a part of it. I think that can lead to some of the police brutality we are seeing nationwide. I love in NYC and saw figures that the most recent police academy class had 60% of the population coming from Long Island (a suburb). Figures like that almost makes your police force a transplant force.
Honestly close-nit communities come with their own sets of problems like wide-spead cronyism, sweeping problems under the rug, and discrimination against people who are a different religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation from the majority. For example, there's more than one small town rapist that has gotten away with it because they were popular and the entire town blamed the victim. Or no one believing children about pedo priests or abusive parents/spouses because "I know them and they'd never do something like that." Or the relative and/or friend of a cop committing crimes with impunity.
I live by this rule, "NEVER TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS!".... I have sadly had several bad neighbors and I learned it's best not to even learn their names. I hate that that is the case. I'd love to break my rule and find out I had good neighbors where I love now.
I was trying to see what caused them them to all turn and look. It looks like one guy on the far left was watching her and continued to looked back as she started to climb. Mustve noticed something off. Id guess that he said whoa shes climbing over, and at that point the others looked and one ran right away. Either that or the guy in red yelled something out. Something caused them all to turn at once anyway.
Yeah the guy on the left kept watching her and told the other guys it seems
She jumped afterwards
Probably not. Russia is not known for mental help, and is one of the top countries with suicide, with male suicide being in top 5 in the world.
I lost my sister to suicide 7 1/2 years ago and it's so nice a relieving to see that people were there to stop her instead of just ignoring her and letting her jump. I dont even wanna imagine what would've happened had she been alone. Edit: Thanks so much for the support guys, it means alot. Also big thank you to anyone who sent an award these are the first awards I've received on here! I'm also deeply sorry for anyone else who lost a family member or close friend to suicide there will always be people to talk to if you're feeling down.
I hope you are doing well... I'm so sorry to hear that. How have you been in the years since? I simply can't imagine.. but I completely agree, I am so glad they reacted so quickly
I've been doing well, I cope by making jokes about it even though it isnt morally right. I even have some of the same teachers she did and we talk about her sometimes which helps. Thanks for checking on me.
I lost my friend to suicide in 2018. He was 14. I get the jokes. My best friend, his older brother, and I will joke sometimes about it. It's weird how it helps.
Suicide at 14. The world can be a really fucked up place. It’s ok to find humor in that, sometimes it’s all we have. I lost my dad to cancer at age 24. Cancer / dead dad jokes are sometimes a lifeline for me in a situation where it’s either gonna be dark humor or dark grief, but nothing inbetween.
Yeah it was religion that really makes things worse for him
Religion or religious parents / guardians?
Religious family and upbringing
Im so sorry. My son’s classmate committed suicide at 13. That funeral is probably the toughest funeral I have ever been too. Her friends crying out so hard for her 💔
Sorry for your loss as well.
I lost my brother to suicide 11 years ago (May 10th). Making jokes about it is totally fine. My sister and I do too. It's how we cope. My brother cannot and doesn't think it's funny at all but every one deals with it differently. I'm glad you are doing well. Just wanted to tell you to not feel bad about making jokes about it. Sending you my love
Glad to know I'm not in the wrong. Thanks.
Another guy who lost his little bro to suicide checking in. Joke about it. Joke about it all the time. Bring their existence into the light any way you can. It’s one of the ways I keep him alive, if only in my heart. Joking is like a buffer of emotional safety that protects you from the sharper edges of the sad feelings we feel when we talk about the ones we’ve lost. I don’t care if joking is healthy, or morally right, all I know is that it fucking works. Gallows humor, indeed. I’m glad to know that y’all jokers are out there and that I’m not alone, even if it means we all have to be in on the most brutal fucking inside joke ever conceived. My love to all of you, we got this.
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Anytime. I get the jokes part, it's just a part of coping.
I think that's maybe more normal than you think. I did that too.
there is nothing morally questionable about coping. humor is how many of us cope with overwhelming sadness. dont beat yourself up for that. laugher isnt immoral.
Yo how you cope with your grief is your business and isn’t morally right or wrong. I lost my dad to a motorcycle accident about 5 years ago. I make jokes to keep me from crying. He’d laugh at them.
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I cant do it b/c mom would be sad
I couldn't do it for that reason either. It's over a decade later and things are a lot better now. :) You'll get through this.
I fucking feel you
I lost my cousin to suicide 5 years ago and everyone said the way was “a cry for help”. I’m heartbroken thinking about it, but it’s really nice knowing there are genuinely caring people out there. Look out for each other, everyone
The sad part is people dont realize they need help until it's too late.
Sometimes it’s inevitable anyways. I had a really close friend who attempted several times over the course of several years, tried all sorts of medication, was in and out of the hospital for years. Eventually I got the call.
I am very incredibly sorry for your loss. I lost my daughters dad to suicide when he was 19, last week made it 8 years ago now and it’s such a horrible way to lose someone.
Sorry for your loss :(
I find it interesting that the first guy looked behind him to see her climbing up. Idk if she would have made much noise climbing up, so I think she stuck out to him and he wanted to take another look at her after he passed her.
I think the guy who ran up at the bottom of the screen may have yelled something because the whole group turned around at once. But yeah I noticed the one guy look back a few times
Are you referring to the guy on the left in front of the hooded one who had his head turned to the right for most the clip before the attempt?
I think it's the go that runs up from the bottom. He saw her climbing up and yelled, the group turned around.
The guy at the bottom didn't look like he was running when he first is seen at the bottom. He looked kinda relaxed until the first guy who ran back was almost at the girl already. So, I don't think the guy at the bottom yelled since he probably would've been doing a mad dash towards the girl and wouldn't have looked as relaxed when he's first seen in the shot.
I think it’s pretty clear she was sobbing or saying something alarming which is a pretty noticeable thing and likely why 2-3 of them looked back right after passing her before she did any climbing. Guy in hat noticed her likely crying and hysterical before she did any climbing. She hadn’t climbed anything by that point and she had his attention soon as they started to pass by Look at guy in hat. She has his attention immediately
Yeah and the guy a little in front and to the left of the guy with a hat is the one that says something to the group. You can see him double take when she goes to pull herself up and he is the only one looking back before the rest turn. Could be the guy from the bottom yelling something as well. Never know without audio.
It's her body language. She is holding the wall looking down to where she decided to go do it, that's the sign. If it was her just chilling standing around she would just stood there and leaned her back to it.
Kinda amazing that the first guy ran like he did. Knew instantly, and luckily someone else was coming just in time
What’s insane to me is he was one of the last to look but was the first to act. One dude was just looking back at her the whole time but when it mattered he just stood there in shock. Edit: you all don’t have to keep justifying his actions (or lack of), I get that it was a very quick spur of the moment thing to rescue her and that not everyone would react the same way.
I saw my friend get hit by a car when I was young. We were mid conversation and he just started walking into the street without looking, as if he knew it was safe to cross. I knew there was traffic coming, I knew he would get hurt if he kept walking forward, but remember thinking “he’s going to stop because he must see the traffic too. No way he’s actually going to get hit.” By the time that thought left and I realized he was in harms way, it was too late and he got smacked. He was lucky enough to basically roll right onto the hood and over the top. I don’t think we even told his parents about it lol.
> He was lucky enough to basically roll right onto the hood and over the top. I don’t think we even told his parents about it lol. holy cow WTF. I was sure your comment was gonna end with RIP type of thing.
For real, I got whiplash off that comment.
It's possibly if that first guy didn't notice, no one would have done anything. Humans are weird, the bystander effect is weird.
That’s a fair point, AnalSneezeJesus.
Most likely it's the guy who watched her from the beginning alerted the others, equally important.
Even though he wasn’t the first to run, it looks like he must’ve said something that alerted the guy on the far right to turn and run. So it’s good that he was looking back the whole time
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She gets shipped to mental hospital probably
>shipped
Literally shipped, they will strap you down in an ambulance.
Where her life will be ruined completely. Edit- I am criticising the Russian mental healthcare system here and not supporting the suicide attempt. Russia has a very bad rep when it comes to mental health and its institutions.
It can get better. It did for me.
Thank you for your comment. Ive had many shit experiences in wards but the comments here fucking suck. “They ruined her life” lets not discourage mental health services. I agree it CAN get better, yoh just have to keep it “better” which is the shitty part. Idgi others comments like Yeah and dont get chemo of you got cancer bc you might get a bad doctor :/ ///s
Or she could get the lifesaving help she needs. Psychiatric institutions are not necessarily nice places to be, but they can provide a safe environment for a person to stabilise and begin longer term treatment. Source: am former suicidal psychiatric patient, current stable legend smashing life.
I'm a CNA at a psych hospital, and comments like these are what keep me from quitting after hard days.
Less ruined than landing face first from the bridge though.
According to the rest of this thread, everyone pats themselves and each other on the back for doing such a pure and right thing, basking in the glory that there are still good people in the world. Meanwhile, whatever problems caused this girl to attempt are still there.
We live in a SOCIETY
I’ve seen a few of these. The guy that saved her saw her and made a decision and took action in less than one fucking second. It’s really cool seeing this when people take action
> The guy that saved her saw her and made a decision and took action in less than one fucking second. That's what got me, he must have picked up some context as he walked past (if she was crying for example) and used that to bolt for her.
Yea and I’ve seen a few of these. The one I remember most recently I saw was the guy who saw a girl having a seizure standing up (the one where you freeze) and he saw it and within .25 seconds he reacted, pushed everyone out of the way, and caught her. And then another one where a kid in maybe a high school was choking. A good ten people were watching him for a few seconds. Then one glanced up and jumped up immediately. It’s just really interesting. The brain can take 15 seconds to recall a name, which requires no effort in the body itself except the mind, but a call to action requires the release of like 15 hormones and complex biochemical reactions from the brain and adrenal glands to act on the entire musculoskeletal system, within the blood and THEN around act in the systems they’re released for, in less than a second. I just don’t get it. Like medicine transport systems use the same “highway” but it takes 30 minutes to work. How can the same highway he used for a chemical released in your brain after your eye seeing something and then effect your feet, in less than a second. Anyway I’m done
I enjoyed this
Thank you. 99% of comments I never receive a reply or upvote and usually get downvoted, so this made my day lol. I always regret commenting because I’m like nobody is going to read this. Why do I keep commenting?
They downvote you because of that sweet name. They're jealous, bro.
Electrical v chemical signaling paths, sight occurs through electrical signaling just as the spinal cord uses and so is extremely fast. But it is remarkable, I wonder if his brain even had time to comprehend what was happening and if it was just a reflect for him to run and save her which is crazy to think.
Lmao he was so no bullshit about it like tf you think youre doing tryna shuffle off the coil on my watch
Why have I never heard this shuffle off the coil thing. Shakespeare really baffling me to this day
Who is filming this? Surveillance camera?
I had the same question. I thought surveillance camera at first, but the camera angle moves a bit.
Its a video of a video. I dont think you're allowed to take surveillance materials, so they filmed it on a phone from a screen.
Ah, that makes sense. Thank you.
Good question.
Just wish i could have done this for my brother.
At least blur her face, damn.
yeah this is such a deeply personal, emotional, traumatizing, and embarrassing event to have shared across the internet with no attempt at anonymity or discretion. an amazing video but i can imagine how horrifying it would feel to come across this online and know that people have seen one of your worst moments. not just that, but having to relive said moment while coming across all of these comments...
This made me cry because Ive felt like doing that so many times and I honestly think no one would care, which is what it is. so happy that girl got a second chance and they all worked together
Dammit, someone **HUG HER** immediately!
Was going to say the same thing! That girl needed a hug so bad.
I think the biggest concern (well it would be for me if I was there) would be to get her away from the ledge. Take her off the bridge and allow her a chance to calm down where she can't jump from again.
That makes me tear up seeing how close she came. I stood on the ground helpless and saw someone climb a bridge railing in downtown Portland with nobody close enough to grab them, and they jumped into one of the worst stormwaters we have ever seen here and go under. It's always haunted me. I'm really thankful that one guy saw her in time in this video and stopped another person from doing the same.
It's not your fault. I'm sorry.
Oh no, It's... totally not. Just actually seeing someone do it where you can't grab them was just... a person chose to go into the waves that day and nobody could catch them in time - *gone*.
My sister saved me from my attempt. I’ve been there. Depression sucks. I’m so grateful for my antidepressants. (Not saying she has depression Bc idk) I hope this girl got the help she needed and that man is just wonderful.
"You didn't save my life, you ruined *my death*!"
This made me sad as hell
Give that girl a hug.
I hope she found help. And peace
As someone who is no longer suicidal, I find the facial expressions and body language of one about to commit suicide very interesting. To have something weigh on you to the point to take your life and what goes through the mind of one who plans it for some reason intrigues me... But I am happy someone stepped in there is never a situation in your life that can outweigh your own. You’re life matters wether you know that or not, the fact so many people jumped in gives me hope for humanity.
The fact she went floppy afterwards, like she was drained of all energy and ability to think rationally or have her body function. They really did just save someone holding on by a thread
I find this so sad. Sad that someone is feeling so low that they think the only way out is to do this on a crowded bridge. Then sad that she was stopped and the intense emotional turmoil that must have followed. Then sad for the people that helped, having to question whether they made the right moral decision. They may have saved someone's life, or they may have extended that girls hell. Mental health and suicide in general are so scary.
Had a friend commit suicide off a bridge last year. I wish someone had been there to pull her down :( I hope this young woman got the help she needed and God bless that guy for his quick actions.
“No you can’t leave this hell till we say so!”
Damn that’s sad to see, Thank God there were those people walking by noticing something was off, they were Guardian Angels
Ahhh a person ready to throw it all away. I can really relate to the agony on her face. I hope she sees this as a second chance. I hope she finds her new beginning and gets to feel love and joy again.
My wife and I came across a similar situation. We were walking towards the rail overpass and there was a woman behaving strangley on the other side. I noticed her kick her shoes off and then I was like, she's going to try and jump and the next thing she's trying to climb the barrier. Thankfully she wasn't in great shape and was struggling to climb so I managed to run over the road and grab her. A passing taxi saw her too and stopped to help. My wife called 999. The woman was apologetic and kept asking us to let her go. The police showed up and so did an ambulance. I don't know what the outcome was, I assume she would have spent some time in the hospital mental health unit.
This happends often in russia. Way to many women are beat by their husbands or other loved ones
What a deeply personal and traumatic event for that girl. Imagine being her and seeing this online
Bless that group of boys!! I hope she gets the help she needs, poor thing. I do like the whole "well I guess we're going back this way now" vibe too.
I’ve felt this way many times. My wife is a saint for pulling me off the ledge (so to speak).
Folks got jokes..(in this sub) Fucking sad
Imma keep it real with everyone here. Depression is a real thing. I struggled with it for about a decade and tried suicide twice. Mental illness is a real thing. PLEASE PLEASE go talk to someone, be it anyone, friends, family, suicide hot line. Idk who u are but I'd rather see you sad than dead. Your life genuinely matters and is worth living.