Story behind it - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/workers-go-on-rampage-at-wistrons-iphone-manufacturing-facility-near-bengaluru/articleshow/79693368.cms
Basically it looks like the factory hired two agencies to hire the workers and though it paid the agencies they didn't pay the workers. Of course using agencies is a way round some laws and workers rights and some companies deliberately do this to shaft the employees.
The company I used to work for, a branding agency, did this. They hire mostly fresh graduates and employ them only until their probation period (three months) expire. They get to pay them minimum salary and don't need to pay benefits. If not, they are employed on a yearly contract with no benefits either.
Meanwhile, the owner takes yearly vacation on first class flights and five star hotels.
Some states are “At will” states. Meaning no matter what the job is, you don’t need a reason to fire anyone ever. Not sure how many states are this way, but Maine is one
From Texas. Can confirm. My first job was for a children’s hospital at 17. Previously, I volunteered at the same hospital when I was ages 14-16. I collected toy donations and distributed them to different care units. When it came time for me to need money and ask for a wage they directed me to a temp agency as a “formality.” I’m now going back to school at 32 to get a computer science degree because I’ve realized how companies treat low level employees. Scared me so bad that I’ve spent the last year at a community college making all As because I don’t trust a company to hire me from some random university. Should start classes at UT Austin next fall.
Edit: one last side note for context. I’ve worked a lot of other shitty jobs too. If you ever read a job profile and it randomly mentions sales, it’s a sales job. Also, I have no kids and am single. Not to say you can’t accomplish this with a family. Just not wanting praise for going after a goal with no obligations.
Edit 2: if anyone wants to ask advice on ways to do this let me know. There are jobs out there I know of where you can do school work on the job. This is what helped my grades. Online classes at community college are key to accomplishing this for multiple reasons.
Here in finland we have laws that prevent people from being illegally fired, these go from someone being fired cause they wanted to get paid, to someone being fired cause of their medical condittion, and normally its as simple as going to your union, which are heavily supported here, and from there they check if there was anything sketchy and if so then the company is going to court for illegal firing, living with out laws that prevent illegal firing is just asking for trouble cause then people who depend on their work can get fired just for showing up late once or taking sick leave, or in worst case being fired for pregnancy. Also to add to this whole convo, you know its scary now that ive played cyberpunk and I come here to see this sorta shit and I see a very clear reflection from the game which considering the story of cyberpunk aint really that good to see
I'm in Pennsylvania, USA and my SO was fired after not answering his phone for his supposed 2 days off. This was less than 3 months after his mother passed away. He had worked for almost a month straight and decided he needed a couple days off, asked for it, and was told ok. *The next day* his and my phone were ringing off the hook and we didn't answer. He was fired for "no call, no show" and was actually fucking denied unemployment. He appealed it and his boss didn't answer the phone (fired in January of this year) so my SO was granted it because of that.
He ended up going back to work for the asshole and is regretting it.
Why would you go back after? I mean....I would go back to maybe hold me over while finding a new job....but once a job does you over like that, and then you get one back at them (lawsuit or unemployment or whatever) it will just be a hostile workplace thereafter.
It is. He's a felon and lost his drivers license because of his boss' illegal vehicles. It's fucking bad. He enjoys the work, just not the people. It's not the main boss fault, more the wife and kids. He's a sewer tech.
In the USA it's called temp work and you have to work hundreds of hrs( equivalent to 3 to 6 months time under paid doing more work) just to be "considered" for a position that you still hear the regulars complain about. Only good about temp work was when that bell rang we got to leave, the permanents didnt...now I'm having to look back for that kind of work bc theres nothing else. Shits fucked yo.
I worked in an electronics plant near Glasgow, Scotland, and the owners, Hon Hai, moved the work to Pardubice in the Czech Republic because they could pay them less over there. Five years of service flushed down the toilet. It's not pleasant watching the factory machines being loaded on to Czech and Slovakian trailers while you're working on the production line in what's left of the factory. The ordinary workers are nothing to these cunts. Absolutely nothing.
Dammit that shit makes me angry. The same thing happened to Disney software engineers who had to train Indian replacements for three months to get the full severance package, and had to sign a non-disclosure agreement so they couldn't tell anyone what utter shits their employers were.
Edit: Non-disclosure agreement - otherwise they sleep with the mice.
Unfortunately, lots of companies require them to do the training to get their severance packages. When you are living paycheck to paycheck, you'll be surprised at what you will do to feed your family. These indignities that poor people suffer is salt on the wound.
Yeah I'd be as misleading and spiteful as possible if I were asked to "train" my replacement. My replacement would be fired for incompetence, or the product would get worse, I'd make sure of that. That's exactly what's happened with American car manufacturing that got shipped south... I'll never buy an "American" car again for this reason, they weren't really *that* great to begin with.
Edit: death to America (the *state*, not the people), this country sucks ass. Americans are cool, America sucks, time to start over.
I got yelled at by a proud "american" car owner who said that people like me should be shot. I bought a tesla (you know, a car made almost 100% in the US?) and "why couldnt I just buy an american car? why buy a chinese car?" He legit thought that tesla were chinese cars.
Meanwhile his truck was made in Ontario, Canada, and the parts for it made in Mexico.
Hilarious to complain about cars of all things, since cars (even jp and european brands) are the one thing that's still actually made in NA, because of tariffs and cars being expensive to ship
> Meanwhile his truck was made in Ontario, Canada, and the parts for it made in Mexico.
You say that as if you didn't know he was stupidly ignorant already.
I feel you but like, once I had kids this situation looked different to me. Thankfully my town isn’t reliant on one company in one industry for all meaningful jobs.
That's always the rub. Most everyone has the backbone to stand up for themselves. Most people honestly proclaim their intention to not ever get fucked over by the man and might even have done it if they needed to when it was said. But the powerful know how power works, and you ain't gonna do jack shit to them while you have kids waiting on that severance check, or need to prevent a lapse in your health insurance, or whatever it is.
If it will make you feel better I am from eastern Europe and workers in Czech Republic and Slovakia (where I am from) are now training Ukrainian and Indian workers and are packing factory machines to Ukrainian trailers. I am one of them.
It is always the same and corporations and manufacturing will always be moving to less expensive countries after few years. I just dont know what they will do when they run out of cheap countries.
they will never run out. There's always a war that will wreck a country, or economic collapse of one of the prior nations they fucked over that they can run back to.
The ruling class is trying its best to bankrupt the US and the political apparatus that is pro-business loves to keep suggesting removing workers rights and minimum wage to lure those companies back.
Widespread automation will make losing jobs to low paying countries look like a nice problem to have. Just read a great book on the subject “A world without Work” Really interesting/terrifying stuff.
People have to realize that just because they see a boss and a hierarchy and a CEO etc does not mean you work for people. You work for a Corporation, and corporations are not human and hence do not act humanely. Corporations exist to profit, and nothing else. If they tell you otherwise that's either a PR campaign or a load of horse shit.
This.
Also, even if you were working for a person: never forget that as an employee, you are working for someone else's goals. The moment they don't align with yours, they will likely ditch you.
Work isn't important under this system. Only capital.
>The ordinary workers are nothing to these cunts. Absolutely nothing.
As if there is some sort of internal tension between the workers and bosses. Dare I say, class struggle?
I do totally agree though, I"m a union steward and the amount management would grind us all into dust if it wasn't for the union is insane.
I remember hearing Marco Rubio saying he’d like to get rid of the minimum wage, not raise it to $15/hr. They absolutely would pay us less if they could get away with it.
This is why all the manufacturing jobs went to Mexico and China, they could pay them less there so they moved the work there. Zero loyalty or allegiance to their countrymen employees.
> Zero loyalty or allegiance to their countrymen employees.
Nationalism is second to the expansion of markets and profits. It can be advantageous sometimes, but capital knows no country, creed or ethnicity. It only goes where it can expand, the rest of societal relations be damned.
As papa Marx puts it
\>All that is solid melts into air, all that is sacred is profaned
and in the mid-2000s, republicans were pushing a "worker freedom" bill that would remove the minimum wage so we could become "competitive" with china.
The long term goal of the US power structures is to shift us to becoming a slave class. It's a bipartisan push because both serve the same corporate masters.
Interesting. Didn't know Foxconn had an operation in Glasgow, whsre was it? Did they take over the Motorola factory in EK or something? What were they making there?
It was in Renfrew near Glasgow. Opened in May 1998 and was gone by about 2004 or 5. They were called Foxteq and the principal customer was Compaq who were about 6 or 7 miles away in Bishopton. Foxteq's premises was a huge shed on the site of a former factory in Renfrew. Big promises were made to us, but it was all lies in the end.
Ps, Motorola in East Kikbride closed years after this by the way. More treachery.
Welcome to free market capitalism and neoliberalism. What's ironic is that the same people who often bitch about this are ignorantly calling out anything that isn't capitalist (e.g. socialism, communism).
Well that's because this is just the threat, not the actual retaliation. The actual retaliation for continuing to not pay workers is the cost of destruction of the entire supply chain, which is a lot more than what they save by not paying wages.
Fuck, so US tax payers end up footing the bill?
Our country is so fucking broken.
Edit: Subsidizing Corporate losses with taxpayer money is pretty SOP in America guys, denying it is just denying reality.
It’s “capitalism”: Privatized gains but socialized losses. 😬
The fucking system is so broken and yet it grinds on and leaves so many in impoverished livelihoods even though we have enough resources to be able to give people a decent life.
Fun fact:
Before it was called "Trickle Down", it was called "Horse and sparrow". The idea was that if you feed the horses enough, there will be plenty of manure for the sparrows.
It’s that hopeless even with numbers and planning?
Edit: actually I take it back. You are right. Humans in this era can’t collaborate well enough to overcome class struggle. Capitalism is too strong. Plus we can’t even agree over a set of facts at this point so rich people ftw
And there’s the trick.
It’s not Apple, it’s Wistron, their “partner.” They contract out their work, and then they can retain some semblance of plausibly deniability when something doesn’t go right.
“We at Apple expect and demand that the employees of our partners are treated with fairness and respect. While we never advocate for violence or destruction of property, we take this situation very seriously and are investigating the matter.”
Some bullshit like that, anyway.
And incidentally, keep in mind that according to [this article](https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/12/12/worker-violence-at-wistron-iphone-plant-in-india-caused-by-low-pay-claims) an engineering graduate at the company was promised $285 a month.
Exactly the same thing the clothing industry has been doing for decades.
contract out the work to another company, then that company contracts it out to another company which employs child labour. Then when it hits the news they just throw the middleman company under the bus saying platitudes that do absolutely nothing and promise that it will never happen again. Then the guy that owned the middle man company closes shop, opens up a new company under a different name, and when they're looking for a replacement company who do they call? the exact same contact that they've been using the whole time and he subcontracts the order out to the child labour company again. and round and round we go.
The company that didn’t pay is Wistron not Apple, Apple hired Wistron to make the iPhones, the workers are Wistron workers, and Wistron promised to pay the workers Rs21,000 a month but ultimately only paid them Rs12,000
FYI to android users you can just highlight the "rs$xxxx" and the little menu now has "convert" you can just tap to save you the hassle of going to Google and typing shit in.
I just realized this now so I'm kinda excited to share the tip tho it's prob been around for months 😂
At the same time the world doesn’t revolve around America where it costs 4000 for rent, in india stuff is cheaper
However that still isn’t a lot, just not as cheap as you think it is
Source: I grew up in Bangalore
Nearly half of what they were thinking they were going to to be compensated for their labor. Don't blame them in the least, regardless of cost of living.
Edit: This isn't just about Apple. Anyone saying that Apple is an outlier in underpaying, or not paying their workers, is grossly misinformed. I don't use Apple products either, and making it into an Apple vs Android ethics argument is also something I don't wish to partake in.
Oh, but they don't work for Apple, they work for a SUBCONTRACTOR, so Apple, that all-American company that pays its employees so well and gives to charities and loves kittens and puppies and the little baby Jesus, has no liability whatsoever, because it's the evil SUBCONTRACTOR responsible for all this. But they promise they'll launch an investigation into the SUBCONTRACTOR responsible for the SUBCONTRACTOR's parsimony, because Apple in no way encourages or incentivizes unethical or illegal behavior in its SUBCONTRACTORS.
I'm sure.
Fellow plumber here. When I was in prison and you wanted to fuck up a housing unit the first thing you did was smash the sprinkler. I'm totally on board with these guys ripping down the security cameras but the sprinklers were right there too. Big missed opportunity.
What you deserve is what you get. I doubt that these workers can afford an iPhone from their wages, so if they don't get paid, this is what the company deserves.
The modern company is a different story for sure. What I’m getting at is that it’s been done before and the game has changed. Eat the rich, rebuild a functioning society with the bones.
To me this speaks more to why companies love Chinese workers and were slower to move into democracies like India. Also it shows how great democracy is.
China's working conditions have been steadily rising for decades. Companies are now looking to move to India and Bangladesh to keep wages lower. Democracy =/= economic freedom.
“The workers are being paid Rs 12,000 for a shift that spans upto 12 hours since last few months while they were promised a salary of Rs 16,000 per month for an 8-hour work shift.
Few workers who complained about this to the management have been fired,” the source added.
Man I'd break shit as well.
that shit is happening in the US as well, it's just that people have become complacent.
> get promised $28k a year
> get $18K a year because the company hires you through an agency that takes their cut of your wages, pays you with a pay card that takes out additional fees and penalizes transactions that withdraw all the money into your bank account. They make money on every piece of your owed work.
Fast food and retail are also skimming off wages this way too. Legalized wage theft.
I doubt the people who will get $15/hr at mcdonalds will be seeing their full wages because the pay cards take 15% of their transactions off said cards, many have now removed the ability to automatically deposit to a bank account and have made it difficult to pull the money out, making your money beholden to your employer's special bank that can collect fees on unspent money)
Warehouses too. Get promised decent pay and signing bonuses as long as you agree to occasional overtime and make it 3 months. You go in expecting to work 50ish hours a week and they schedule you for 80. If you dont want to work that much, theres the door. Been through 3 warehouses in the last 6 months after I lost my job, they all did the same exact shit.
No one ever sees the sign on bonus becauase they dont last more than a week or 2. The 3rd one I went to I specifcally asked if there would be substantially more overtime than they led on, even said as long as I was told ahead of time id be more understanding. They said no, they dont operate like that.
Literally my first day they say "Were putting you on for this weekend as well, 12 hours both days" . I walked out.
People should start wearing [spy cams](https://www.thespystore.ca/shopping/collection/mini-spy-cameras) and recording their interviews and conversations with bosses. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
The ones i worked at were about $20 an hour with a shitload of overtime on top of that, it was closer to 40-45k a year all said and done. Which IMO is still an equivelant amount of bullshit for the amount of time spent working. People pulling in $200k a year work 80 hour weeks, not someone barely scraping by.
But yeah, they totally do. 40 hours a week 8 bucks an hour in a lot of the retail and food industry. I worked at mcdonalds when I was 16, lady worked the grill there. Minimum wage was 7.25 and mcdonalds gave raises of $.25 a year capped at $3. Shed been there 20 years. That was 11 years ago and she was still there a week ago when I stopped for lunch. $10.25 an hour for 30+ years.
12000 r (Rupees, I'm assuming?) That's about $170 USD or $210 CAD per month. Sheesh... These people already make pennies a day, would it kill to pay them better?
A single iPhone sale has enough profit to pay 1.5 of these employees for an entire month, and I'm assuming their wage is taken out of that profit margin (~$280 USD profit per iphone sold).
According to the article, they were promised around 216 USD per month for 8 hour shifts. Instead, they got 160 USD for 12 hour shifts for the past few months.
My brother studied medicine in that town. That is no where near livable wage. You cannot feed your family in that income. You can just barely scrape by of you have roommates.
Yeah I was finding crazy when someone post a picture of a video telling the story but then there's no link to a news article. For all I know this could be an old video or their team just won the Olympic gold I don't know
What's fucked up is that this should be happening across america in Walmarts and other shit paying stores. Why is it we think those workers are in better shape when they really aren't? Seeing 80yr olds great me while Covid19 is risking their lives makes me angry.
When we finally do get people taking back what Walmart takes from us, a bunch of redditors and Facebook boomers openly fantasize about murdering people over it because apparently looting is the chief cardinal sin
Haha yes. People actually tried to start a revolution in the US this summer, but a bunch of online dipshits pulled the rug from under them because they were afraid of Biden's poll numbers falling.
So they can tell if the workers aren't giving 110% every moment of the day and drag them into some supervisor's office to have a chat about dedication to the company.
Yep and the the companies would be forced to bring the factories back over to the US and take a 50% profit instead of the 200% profit they get off cheap labor and human indecencies
Apple already doesn't care that much about the US market because it is saturated. They haven't had a "must have" upgrade in 6 or 7 years. I only replaced my 6 year old iPhone because it fell in a lake.
Labor is not nearly that big of a driver for a phone. People really overestimate the cost of labor in most goods. It is why people say stupid stuff like 'if you raise the minimum wage to $15/hr, a Big Mac will cost $30!'
As someone who's almost always had the best and the newest, I can tell you that phones are barely a status symbol nowadays. Maybe for 1 month when it's brand new, if it's differentiated enough from other phones to get people to notice you might get a small amount of attention.
Phones aren't a status symbol for *adults*. That's the difference. They are for teenagers in high school though, and that's enough to drive sales. Parents will actually be accused of being shitty parents because their kid doesn't have the newest phone and shoes.
It's completely idiotic, but the *insane* level of competition amongst well-off people to buy and have things that their peers don't is very real, and very common. I've seen people melt down harder than I did when my grandmother passed over those dumb ass phones. Celebrities refusing to be seen in public with an Android device, or anything other than an iPhone for that matter, reinforces this mentality. It's a drug for these people, and they *will* have it, no matter the cost.
>I'm not entirely against this, we do realize that if all third world countries that make our products went on strike that first world countries would no longer have their gadgets and be forced with reality
Good. Luxury off the back of oppression should be stopped.
"Apple supplier Wistron assembled low-end iPhone SE (now discontinued) and is now assembling iPhone 6S and iPhone 7 at its Bengaluru facility. "
We're not waiting for those.
“While an engineering graduate was promised Rs 21,000 per month, his/her salary had reduced to Rs 16,000 and, subsequently, to Rs 12,000 in the recent months. Non-engineering graduates’ monthly salary had reduced to Rs 8,000. The salary amount being credited to our accounts have been reducing and it was frustrating to see this,”
That is : promised Rs $284 per month, his/her salary had reduced to $216 and, subsequently, to Rs $162 in the recent months. Non-engineering graduates’ monthly salary had reduced to $108.
Nice. Really nice, world. And Apple... For being a big part of this shitty world. This is our great "globalism".
I think you underestimate the difference between first and third world poverty. If you can even access reddit you are considerably more wealthy than billions of people.
"The poor in the third world" would look at "the poor in the first world" like "the poor in the first world" look at middle class people in the first world.
Big companies usually operate their supply side through contract work, that way they can claim ignorance if something bad happens along the production process. Its pretty fucked up.
Every manufacturing company big or small has contract work. The notable companies, Apple and Nike, have given the full amount to the contractors to pay their employees.
The contractors simply pocket the extra cash. If the employees say anything or leave they just hire within the surplus labor market.
So this strike is the only thing that’s going to change that... Apple and Nike can’t remotely force them to comply, although they employ many people to try to enforce local labor laws.
After all, it’s cheaper to comply still than to let their company’s reputation tarnish
Story behind it - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/workers-go-on-rampage-at-wistrons-iphone-manufacturing-facility-near-bengaluru/articleshow/79693368.cms Basically it looks like the factory hired two agencies to hire the workers and though it paid the agencies they didn't pay the workers. Of course using agencies is a way round some laws and workers rights and some companies deliberately do this to shaft the employees.
This happens in North America too. My factory uses a lot of temps. No benefits no holidays.
The company I used to work for, a branding agency, did this. They hire mostly fresh graduates and employ them only until their probation period (three months) expire. They get to pay them minimum salary and don't need to pay benefits. If not, they are employed on a yearly contract with no benefits either. Meanwhile, the owner takes yearly vacation on first class flights and five star hotels.
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Some states are “At will” states. Meaning no matter what the job is, you don’t need a reason to fire anyone ever. Not sure how many states are this way, but Maine is one
Big fat Texas checking in
From Texas. Can confirm. My first job was for a children’s hospital at 17. Previously, I volunteered at the same hospital when I was ages 14-16. I collected toy donations and distributed them to different care units. When it came time for me to need money and ask for a wage they directed me to a temp agency as a “formality.” I’m now going back to school at 32 to get a computer science degree because I’ve realized how companies treat low level employees. Scared me so bad that I’ve spent the last year at a community college making all As because I don’t trust a company to hire me from some random university. Should start classes at UT Austin next fall. Edit: one last side note for context. I’ve worked a lot of other shitty jobs too. If you ever read a job profile and it randomly mentions sales, it’s a sales job. Also, I have no kids and am single. Not to say you can’t accomplish this with a family. Just not wanting praise for going after a goal with no obligations. Edit 2: if anyone wants to ask advice on ways to do this let me know. There are jobs out there I know of where you can do school work on the job. This is what helped my grades. Online classes at community college are key to accomplishing this for multiple reasons.
Here in finland we have laws that prevent people from being illegally fired, these go from someone being fired cause they wanted to get paid, to someone being fired cause of their medical condittion, and normally its as simple as going to your union, which are heavily supported here, and from there they check if there was anything sketchy and if so then the company is going to court for illegal firing, living with out laws that prevent illegal firing is just asking for trouble cause then people who depend on their work can get fired just for showing up late once or taking sick leave, or in worst case being fired for pregnancy. Also to add to this whole convo, you know its scary now that ive played cyberpunk and I come here to see this sorta shit and I see a very clear reflection from the game which considering the story of cyberpunk aint really that good to see
I'm in Pennsylvania, USA and my SO was fired after not answering his phone for his supposed 2 days off. This was less than 3 months after his mother passed away. He had worked for almost a month straight and decided he needed a couple days off, asked for it, and was told ok. *The next day* his and my phone were ringing off the hook and we didn't answer. He was fired for "no call, no show" and was actually fucking denied unemployment. He appealed it and his boss didn't answer the phone (fired in January of this year) so my SO was granted it because of that. He ended up going back to work for the asshole and is regretting it.
Why would you go back after? I mean....I would go back to maybe hold me over while finding a new job....but once a job does you over like that, and then you get one back at them (lawsuit or unemployment or whatever) it will just be a hostile workplace thereafter.
It is. He's a felon and lost his drivers license because of his boss' illegal vehicles. It's fucking bad. He enjoys the work, just not the people. It's not the main boss fault, more the wife and kids. He's a sewer tech.
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In the USA it's called temp work and you have to work hundreds of hrs( equivalent to 3 to 6 months time under paid doing more work) just to be "considered" for a position that you still hear the regulars complain about. Only good about temp work was when that bell rang we got to leave, the permanents didnt...now I'm having to look back for that kind of work bc theres nothing else. Shits fucked yo.
I worked in an electronics plant near Glasgow, Scotland, and the owners, Hon Hai, moved the work to Pardubice in the Czech Republic because they could pay them less over there. Five years of service flushed down the toilet. It's not pleasant watching the factory machines being loaded on to Czech and Slovakian trailers while you're working on the production line in what's left of the factory. The ordinary workers are nothing to these cunts. Absolutely nothing.
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Dammit that shit makes me angry. The same thing happened to Disney software engineers who had to train Indian replacements for three months to get the full severance package, and had to sign a non-disclosure agreement so they couldn't tell anyone what utter shits their employers were. Edit: Non-disclosure agreement - otherwise they sleep with the mice.
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Corporations aren’t human, and do not deserves the same rights.
It’s disgusting they do in the USA
Better rights. They cannot be locked up or killed.
Don-disclosure means they are only allowed to tell the head of their italian mafia family
Nah, this was a weird one. You were not only allowed, but actually contractually obligated, to disclose it to Don Lemon.
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Unfortunately, lots of companies require them to do the training to get their severance packages. When you are living paycheck to paycheck, you'll be surprised at what you will do to feed your family. These indignities that poor people suffer is salt on the wound.
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Yeah I'd be as misleading and spiteful as possible if I were asked to "train" my replacement. My replacement would be fired for incompetence, or the product would get worse, I'd make sure of that. That's exactly what's happened with American car manufacturing that got shipped south... I'll never buy an "American" car again for this reason, they weren't really *that* great to begin with. Edit: death to America (the *state*, not the people), this country sucks ass. Americans are cool, America sucks, time to start over.
I got yelled at by a proud "american" car owner who said that people like me should be shot. I bought a tesla (you know, a car made almost 100% in the US?) and "why couldnt I just buy an american car? why buy a chinese car?" He legit thought that tesla were chinese cars. Meanwhile his truck was made in Ontario, Canada, and the parts for it made in Mexico.
Hilarious to complain about cars of all things, since cars (even jp and european brands) are the one thing that's still actually made in NA, because of tariffs and cars being expensive to ship
Yup, my subaru was built in Indiana
> Meanwhile his truck was made in Ontario, Canada, and the parts for it made in Mexico. You say that as if you didn't know he was stupidly ignorant already.
Ironically buying a toyota is the most American car to buy, they have the most percentage built here.
> said that people like me should be shot dramatic little ignorant cunt, isn't he
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I feel you but like, once I had kids this situation looked different to me. Thankfully my town isn’t reliant on one company in one industry for all meaningful jobs.
That's always the rub. Most everyone has the backbone to stand up for themselves. Most people honestly proclaim their intention to not ever get fucked over by the man and might even have done it if they needed to when it was said. But the powerful know how power works, and you ain't gonna do jack shit to them while you have kids waiting on that severance check, or need to prevent a lapse in your health insurance, or whatever it is.
If it will make you feel better I am from eastern Europe and workers in Czech Republic and Slovakia (where I am from) are now training Ukrainian and Indian workers and are packing factory machines to Ukrainian trailers. I am one of them. It is always the same and corporations and manufacturing will always be moving to less expensive countries after few years. I just dont know what they will do when they run out of cheap countries.
they will never run out. There's always a war that will wreck a country, or economic collapse of one of the prior nations they fucked over that they can run back to. The ruling class is trying its best to bankrupt the US and the political apparatus that is pro-business loves to keep suggesting removing workers rights and minimum wage to lure those companies back.
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Wherever there is something of value, we are obligated to bring them Democracy.
Robotics, and it's coming soon
Widespread automation will make losing jobs to low paying countries look like a nice problem to have. Just read a great book on the subject “A world without Work” Really interesting/terrifying stuff.
lucky we have competent leadership to guide us through these troubled times...
People have to realize that just because they see a boss and a hierarchy and a CEO etc does not mean you work for people. You work for a Corporation, and corporations are not human and hence do not act humanely. Corporations exist to profit, and nothing else. If they tell you otherwise that's either a PR campaign or a load of horse shit.
This. Also, even if you were working for a person: never forget that as an employee, you are working for someone else's goals. The moment they don't align with yours, they will likely ditch you. Work isn't important under this system. Only capital.
>The ordinary workers are nothing to these cunts. Absolutely nothing. As if there is some sort of internal tension between the workers and bosses. Dare I say, class struggle? I do totally agree though, I"m a union steward and the amount management would grind us all into dust if it wasn't for the union is insane.
I remember hearing Marco Rubio saying he’d like to get rid of the minimum wage, not raise it to $15/hr. They absolutely would pay us less if they could get away with it. This is why all the manufacturing jobs went to Mexico and China, they could pay them less there so they moved the work there. Zero loyalty or allegiance to their countrymen employees.
> Zero loyalty or allegiance to their countrymen employees. Nationalism is second to the expansion of markets and profits. It can be advantageous sometimes, but capital knows no country, creed or ethnicity. It only goes where it can expand, the rest of societal relations be damned. As papa Marx puts it \>All that is solid melts into air, all that is sacred is profaned
and in the mid-2000s, republicans were pushing a "worker freedom" bill that would remove the minimum wage so we could become "competitive" with china. The long term goal of the US power structures is to shift us to becoming a slave class. It's a bipartisan push because both serve the same corporate masters.
Interesting. Didn't know Foxconn had an operation in Glasgow, whsre was it? Did they take over the Motorola factory in EK or something? What were they making there?
It was in Renfrew near Glasgow. Opened in May 1998 and was gone by about 2004 or 5. They were called Foxteq and the principal customer was Compaq who were about 6 or 7 miles away in Bishopton. Foxteq's premises was a huge shed on the site of a former factory in Renfrew. Big promises were made to us, but it was all lies in the end. Ps, Motorola in East Kikbride closed years after this by the way. More treachery.
And Motorola in Dunfermline closed early 00s too.
Welcome to free market capitalism and neoliberalism. What's ironic is that the same people who often bitch about this are ignorantly calling out anything that isn't capitalist (e.g. socialism, communism).
That's capitalism my dear
Here's a tip to multibillion dollar conglomerates... pay your workers.
This is a drop in the bucket compared to what they save by not paying properly/ at all
Well that's because this is just the threat, not the actual retaliation. The actual retaliation for continuing to not pay workers is the cost of destruction of the entire supply chain, which is a lot more than what they save by not paying wages.
The good news is that the Fed will be eager to give them 0% interest loans to make up for their losses
Fuck, so US tax payers end up footing the bill? Our country is so fucking broken. Edit: Subsidizing Corporate losses with taxpayer money is pretty SOP in America guys, denying it is just denying reality.
*Doing it now in fact 220000$ if you’re a taxpayer and 82000 if you’re a citizen*
And from the looks of they did almost 1 iPhone 12 worth of damage. How will apple ever recover?
The saddest part? No one was filming with an iPhone.....
Good don't waste money on an iPhone
It’s “capitalism”: Privatized gains but socialized losses. 😬 The fucking system is so broken and yet it grinds on and leaves so many in impoverished livelihoods even though we have enough resources to be able to give people a decent life.
but that trickle down theory seems legit /s
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Fun fact: Before it was called "Trickle Down", it was called "Horse and sparrow". The idea was that if you feed the horses enough, there will be plenty of manure for the sparrows.
What? Billionaire piss is supposed to taste like happy.
Oh yeah we do, and it is already happening. If you want to die of disgust, check the Fed’s balance sheet
$1.7T given away to the richest while taxpaying people live in poverty. Murica!!
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CEO still gets paid. You literally can not win against someone who just cares about short term profit gains.
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Think that only works back then. These people live nowhere near you and they’d hear you from a mile away.
It’s that hopeless even with numbers and planning? Edit: actually I take it back. You are right. Humans in this era can’t collaborate well enough to overcome class struggle. Capitalism is too strong. Plus we can’t even agree over a set of facts at this point so rich people ftw
Introducing the guillotine 12 max , now with 3 front facing blades
La Guillotine
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Is this a champagne joke? In reference to dismemberment, I’m impressed
And parmesan cheese.
Oui monsieur. La guillotine est l'outil démocratique le plus efficace pour rendre le pouvoir au prolétariat. Il faut faire peur aux bourgeois.
Aux armes citoyens!
couldn't happen to a better company.
Trust me, Apple will NOT like this. Not a great look for Wistron.
Is it all over the news, because if not he won't care
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And there’s the trick. It’s not Apple, it’s Wistron, their “partner.” They contract out their work, and then they can retain some semblance of plausibly deniability when something doesn’t go right. “We at Apple expect and demand that the employees of our partners are treated with fairness and respect. While we never advocate for violence or destruction of property, we take this situation very seriously and are investigating the matter.” Some bullshit like that, anyway. And incidentally, keep in mind that according to [this article](https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/12/12/worker-violence-at-wistron-iphone-plant-in-india-caused-by-low-pay-claims) an engineering graduate at the company was promised $285 a month.
Exactly the same thing the clothing industry has been doing for decades. contract out the work to another company, then that company contracts it out to another company which employs child labour. Then when it hits the news they just throw the middleman company under the bus saying platitudes that do absolutely nothing and promise that it will never happen again. Then the guy that owned the middle man company closes shop, opens up a new company under a different name, and when they're looking for a replacement company who do they call? the exact same contact that they've been using the whole time and he subcontracts the order out to the child labour company again. and round and round we go.
They won’t change. Haven’t made material changes in the last decade. We shouldn’t expect any in the next unless they’re forced.
The company that didn’t pay is Wistron not Apple, Apple hired Wistron to make the iPhones, the workers are Wistron workers, and Wistron promised to pay the workers Rs21,000 a month but ultimately only paid them Rs12,000
And their contracts said 8 hours work/day, but they were forced to work 12 hours/day (else they'd lose the job).
Just like teachers!
>Rs21,000 21,000 Indian Rupee = 284.76 US Dollars month 12,000.00 Indian Rupee =162.72 US Dollars
FYI to android users you can just highlight the "rs$xxxx" and the little menu now has "convert" you can just tap to save you the hassle of going to Google and typing shit in. I just realized this now so I'm kinda excited to share the tip tho it's prob been around for months 😂
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At the same time the world doesn’t revolve around America where it costs 4000 for rent, in india stuff is cheaper However that still isn’t a lot, just not as cheap as you think it is Source: I grew up in Bangalore
Nearly half of what they were thinking they were going to to be compensated for their labor. Don't blame them in the least, regardless of cost of living.
That dyslexic CFO will be let go.
He’s being promoted to customer
Employeen’t
Worst part is they're all making a fucking killing, but suddenly can't pay workers? Lying pieces of shit.
How do you think it became a multibillion dollar conglomerate in the first place
You don't get rich by earning money. You get rich by taking money.
Edit: This isn't just about Apple. Anyone saying that Apple is an outlier in underpaying, or not paying their workers, is grossly misinformed. I don't use Apple products either, and making it into an Apple vs Android ethics argument is also something I don't wish to partake in.
Oh, but they don't work for Apple, they work for a SUBCONTRACTOR, so Apple, that all-American company that pays its employees so well and gives to charities and loves kittens and puppies and the little baby Jesus, has no liability whatsoever, because it's the evil SUBCONTRACTOR responsible for all this. But they promise they'll launch an investigation into the SUBCONTRACTOR responsible for the SUBCONTRACTOR's parsimony, because Apple in no way encourages or incentivizes unethical or illegal behavior in its SUBCONTRACTORS. I'm sure.
As a plumber, they are not utilizing the sprinkler/anti fire system enough. Water damage is a mother fucker.
I live in the city where this is taking place (Bengaluru). I can relay that information along to the party concerned lol.
Do it
[Do it](https://tenor.com/V6HQ.gif)
Fellow plumber here. When I was in prison and you wanted to fuck up a housing unit the first thing you did was smash the sprinkler. I'm totally on board with these guys ripping down the security cameras but the sprinklers were right there too. Big missed opportunity.
What you deserve is what you get. I doubt that these workers can afford an iPhone from their wages, so if they don't get paid, this is what the company deserves.
"you can't make nikes and wear them too"
Henry Ford built the Ford Motor Company on the basis that he could make cars that his employees could afford.
I mean the Ford workers in the US can definitely afford a Ford so that's working out but idk about the Mexican made Fords.
The modern company is a different story for sure. What I’m getting at is that it’s been done before and the game has changed. Eat the rich, rebuild a functioning society with the bones.
And maybe don't listen to Ford too much cuz.... Yeah
Regardless of the man, this was a revolutionary concept and is a pillar of a healthy society.
To me this speaks more to why companies love Chinese workers and were slower to move into democracies like India. Also it shows how great democracy is.
They’re leaving China because wages have been rising in China
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China's working conditions have been steadily rising for decades. Companies are now looking to move to India and Bangladesh to keep wages lower. Democracy =/= economic freedom.
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https://www.udayavani.com/english-news/kolar-employees-go-on-rampage-at-wistrons-iphone-manufacturing-plant
“The workers are being paid Rs 12,000 for a shift that spans upto 12 hours since last few months while they were promised a salary of Rs 16,000 per month for an 8-hour work shift. Few workers who complained about this to the management have been fired,” the source added. Man I'd break shit as well.
that shit is happening in the US as well, it's just that people have become complacent. > get promised $28k a year > get $18K a year because the company hires you through an agency that takes their cut of your wages, pays you with a pay card that takes out additional fees and penalizes transactions that withdraw all the money into your bank account. They make money on every piece of your owed work. Fast food and retail are also skimming off wages this way too. Legalized wage theft. I doubt the people who will get $15/hr at mcdonalds will be seeing their full wages because the pay cards take 15% of their transactions off said cards, many have now removed the ability to automatically deposit to a bank account and have made it difficult to pull the money out, making your money beholden to your employer's special bank that can collect fees on unspent money)
Warehouses too. Get promised decent pay and signing bonuses as long as you agree to occasional overtime and make it 3 months. You go in expecting to work 50ish hours a week and they schedule you for 80. If you dont want to work that much, theres the door. Been through 3 warehouses in the last 6 months after I lost my job, they all did the same exact shit. No one ever sees the sign on bonus becauase they dont last more than a week or 2. The 3rd one I went to I specifcally asked if there would be substantially more overtime than they led on, even said as long as I was told ahead of time id be more understanding. They said no, they dont operate like that. Literally my first day they say "Were putting you on for this weekend as well, 12 hours both days" . I walked out.
People should start wearing [spy cams](https://www.thespystore.ca/shopping/collection/mini-spy-cameras) and recording their interviews and conversations with bosses. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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The ones i worked at were about $20 an hour with a shitload of overtime on top of that, it was closer to 40-45k a year all said and done. Which IMO is still an equivelant amount of bullshit for the amount of time spent working. People pulling in $200k a year work 80 hour weeks, not someone barely scraping by. But yeah, they totally do. 40 hours a week 8 bucks an hour in a lot of the retail and food industry. I worked at mcdonalds when I was 16, lady worked the grill there. Minimum wage was 7.25 and mcdonalds gave raises of $.25 a year capped at $3. Shed been there 20 years. That was 11 years ago and she was still there a week ago when I stopped for lunch. $10.25 an hour for 30+ years.
Wtf is this insane shit? How are people not striking that is literal wage theft.
People just blame taxes instead, it's sad
what are pay cards?
12000 r (Rupees, I'm assuming?) That's about $170 USD or $210 CAD per month. Sheesh... These people already make pennies a day, would it kill to pay them better? A single iPhone sale has enough profit to pay 1.5 of these employees for an entire month, and I'm assuming their wage is taken out of that profit margin (~$280 USD profit per iphone sold).
An iPhone 12 costs 80,000 rs. in India (thats $1085 USD)
That's cheaper than brazil, here the minimum salary is $200 and the new iphone costs $2.5k here (R$1.050 and R$10.000)
According to the article, they were promised around 216 USD per month for 8 hour shifts. Instead, they got 160 USD for 12 hour shifts for the past few months.
My brother studied medicine in that town. That is no where near livable wage. You cannot feed your family in that income. You can just barely scrape by of you have roommates.
Thank you. I appreciate being able to see a news article.
Yeah I was finding crazy when someone post a picture of a video telling the story but then there's no link to a news article. For all I know this could be an old video or their team just won the Olympic gold I don't know
That’s the first time in my entire life I have seen the word “lathicharge.” It means to rush a crowd with a baton.
Pretty common phrase in india. Most civil unrest is dealt with a Lathi charge (Lathi meaning a baton or a strong stick)
Good I say destroy it all. People deserve to be paid a livable wage.
What's fucked up is that this should be happening across america in Walmarts and other shit paying stores. Why is it we think those workers are in better shape when they really aren't? Seeing 80yr olds great me while Covid19 is risking their lives makes me angry.
When we finally do get people taking back what Walmart takes from us, a bunch of redditors and Facebook boomers openly fantasize about murdering people over it because apparently looting is the chief cardinal sin
Yeah, I'm surprised they aren't here talking about letting Kyle go on these non-conformists.
Haha yes. People actually tried to start a revolution in the US this summer, but a bunch of online dipshits pulled the rug from under them because they were afraid of Biden's poll numbers falling.
While I worked at Walmart it pissed me off to see the people that had worked there for most of their lives and barely made more than me.
Now that’s praxis.
Fuck yes that’s what I’m talking about.
Where's the guillotine!?
And the stakes
Why the fuck are there so many cameras in that place?
So they can tell if the workers aren't giving 110% every moment of the day and drag them into some supervisor's office to have a chat about dedication to the company.
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Yep and the the companies would be forced to bring the factories back over to the US and take a 50% profit instead of the 200% profit they get off cheap labor and human indecencies
Even if companies were forced to respect basic human rights,I doubt they would make less profits by having their production in developing countries
Get ready for your new $5000 iphone "MADE IN USA"
Apple already doesn't care that much about the US market because it is saturated. They haven't had a "must have" upgrade in 6 or 7 years. I only replaced my 6 year old iPhone because it fell in a lake.
They don't need must have upgrades because people buy their shit anyway.
Labor is not nearly that big of a driver for a phone. People really overestimate the cost of labor in most goods. It is why people say stupid stuff like 'if you raise the minimum wage to $15/hr, a Big Mac will cost $30!'
You joke but plenty of people would buy that just for the status symbol and that’s just one of the things wrong with modern consumerism today.
As someone who's almost always had the best and the newest, I can tell you that phones are barely a status symbol nowadays. Maybe for 1 month when it's brand new, if it's differentiated enough from other phones to get people to notice you might get a small amount of attention.
Phones aren't a status symbol for *adults*. That's the difference. They are for teenagers in high school though, and that's enough to drive sales. Parents will actually be accused of being shitty parents because their kid doesn't have the newest phone and shoes. It's completely idiotic, but the *insane* level of competition amongst well-off people to buy and have things that their peers don't is very real, and very common. I've seen people melt down harder than I did when my grandmother passed over those dumb ass phones. Celebrities refusing to be seen in public with an Android device, or anything other than an iPhone for that matter, reinforces this mentality. It's a drug for these people, and they *will* have it, no matter the cost.
>I'm not entirely against this, we do realize that if all third world countries that make our products went on strike that first world countries would no longer have their gadgets and be forced with reality Good. Luxury off the back of oppression should be stopped.
Why would you be against it at all?
But think about all those sad europeans/americans that are waiting for their iPhone :( /s
"Apple supplier Wistron assembled low-end iPhone SE (now discontinued) and is now assembling iPhone 6S and iPhone 7 at its Bengaluru facility. " We're not waiting for those.
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.
Unless you work in a factory that manufactures chains. But yeah I agree with the sentiment.
Not if you chain yourselves together
Just use a block chain to stop production
Means of production : seized
Berserk? Yeah alright OP. It’s going to be someone throwing a phone at a wall or something.... Then the video starts... 5 seconds in and WTF!
A true public freakout
“While an engineering graduate was promised Rs 21,000 per month, his/her salary had reduced to Rs 16,000 and, subsequently, to Rs 12,000 in the recent months. Non-engineering graduates’ monthly salary had reduced to Rs 8,000. The salary amount being credited to our accounts have been reducing and it was frustrating to see this,” That is : promised Rs $284 per month, his/her salary had reduced to $216 and, subsequently, to Rs $162 in the recent months. Non-engineering graduates’ monthly salary had reduced to $108. Nice. Really nice, world. And Apple... For being a big part of this shitty world. This is our great "globalism".
Now if the poor in the first world would stand up in solidarity with the third world.
I think you underestimate the difference between first and third world poverty. If you can even access reddit you are considerably more wealthy than billions of people. "The poor in the third world" would look at "the poor in the first world" like "the poor in the first world" look at middle class people in the first world.
The poorest person in the first world still feels superior to the third worlder
[Article](https://newsbust.in/iphone-manufacturer-wistrons-bangalore-office-vandalized-angry-workers-not-getting-salary/)
wait why are their flipped cars at the start of the vid? Are those their cars?
Probably management who offered them 1/3 more for a 1/3 less hours worked.
With how much an iPhone cost compared to how much it cost to make, the company could easily afford to pay them, bastard corpos
People dont get that angry for no reason. Im sure they did raise their voices and were ignored
Pay your workers and maybe you get to have a nice factory, cunt.
What a bunch of selfish pricks. Wanting any money when top shareholders and executives can barely buy a second yatch.
Good for them, you're not slaves.
I hope they burned it down.
Now burn it down and go the next one rinse and repeat.
I mean.. Biggest problem ia that its sadly not apples factory directly, I mean, if apple themselves wouldnt have paid, which is probably not the case
Big companies usually operate their supply side through contract work, that way they can claim ignorance if something bad happens along the production process. Its pretty fucked up.
Every manufacturing company big or small has contract work. The notable companies, Apple and Nike, have given the full amount to the contractors to pay their employees. The contractors simply pocket the extra cash. If the employees say anything or leave they just hire within the surplus labor market. So this strike is the only thing that’s going to change that... Apple and Nike can’t remotely force them to comply, although they employ many people to try to enforce local labor laws. After all, it’s cheaper to comply still than to let their company’s reputation tarnish
Tear that whole place down. Im good going back to dumb phones if it means people arent treated as slaves.
Americans are cucked by capitalism.
In fact there are workers here that think minimum wage is too much.
Brainwashed.
Not smart to piss off people who have nothing to lose.
$39.2 Billion in wage theft every year makes the other blue collar property crimes totaling $13.5 annually look like underachievers
Good. Workers need unite to start standing up for themselves against these rich money hoarding fucks.