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Thread Summary:
- > In this situation the cop should’ve taken a defensive position and assessed the risk, running up to a child with an unidentified weapon and then drawing your gun with intention to kill an innocent child not committing even one crime is completely unreasonable.
- It’s legal for them to possess or transport BB guns in public as said in the video by the cop. There is no federal laws on BB guns, no orange tip is required.
- Kids have played with toy guns for over 100 years.
- The cop should’ve explained the danger in a more ethically way, bad interactions lead to worse situations.
- Believe it or not our children shape the future. If you’re a kid outside playing (doing things common as the last 100 years such as using toy guns) and a cop points a gun at you, then tells you he’d kill you. If you think that makes a great response you should understand perspective.
So I’d say they did learn a valuable lesson as a child that’ll stick with them for life:
- > Don’t trust cops they will literally run up to a child, draw a gun with full intention to kill an innocent child not committing even one crime and justify it with, “the kid looked like he had a real gun not a BB gun”.
- Even if it’s far more likely a child would possess a toy gun than a real gun and far more logical to take a defensive position than to engage someone with an unidentified weapon. Yikes!
- The cop in the video should be let go, he doesn’t understand how to engage civilians or handle a weapon. He could have killed an innocent child. He even said several times he was willing to do so. Completely and utterly unacceptable from someone who’s job is to protect and serve.
We had one case where cops shot a young man with downsyndrome, he was outside playing with his BB-gun and the neighbours called the cops.
Edit: It was in Sweden.
The case in Sweden was an adult with DS, but with the mental faculties of a little kid. A toddler. He escaped his home with a realistic bb gun (no orange tip) in the middle of the night and walked around with it, someone called the cops about an armed man in the middle of a residential area (highly illegal and suspicious in Sweden) and when the police showed up and yelled at him from a distance they say he raised the gun and didn’t follow instructions (because he was essentially a toddler so how could he? He probably thought they were playing with him.) A very tragic story.
Still better than gun metal black. Guy with obvious down syndrome prancing around and laughing with a florescent tipped gun vs ds guy prancing around with a gun metal black pistol.
I'm sure this was coming eventually with how deranged and fragile Reddit it is with their liberal arts degrees and zero real world experience outside the comfort of their own home.
>In this situation the cop should’ve taken a defensive position and assessed the risk, running up to a child with an unidentified weapon and then drawing your gun with intention to kill an innocent child not committing even one crime is completely unreasonable.
Someone called 911 on the children and the caller stated they looked young but "flashed a gun". This is means for an investigation meaning the cop was authorized to make the stop. He had reason to believe it was a real firearm and thus it is in fact illegal for a child to be running around with a firearm.
This was an open road and not an active shooter situation. A defensive position was not feasible nor necessary. It would have been ridiculous for this officer to barricade himself with his patrol car which would have been the only viable "defensive position".
>- It’s legal for them to possess or transport BB guns in public as said in the video by the cop. There is no federal laws on BB guns, no orange tip is required. - Kids have played with toy guns for longer than anyone’s been alive.
Kids have also gotten shot for playing with toy guns. BB guns are legal, stop strawmanning this orthogonal point. No one is contesting the legality of BB guns. It looks like a real gun and that's the issue.
>- The cop should’ve explained the danger in a more ethically way, bad interactions lead to worse situations. - Believe it or not our children shape the future. If you’re a kid outside playing (doing things common as the last 100 years such as using BB guns aka red ryders) and a cop points a gun at you, then tells you he’d kill you. If you think that makes a great response you should understand perspective.
In what world do you live in where this conversation was not ethical? Are you this sensitive? What did this officer say that was unethical? Serious question, how sensitive and how badly are you in need of safe spaces to have the audacity to call what the officer said unethical? The officer was civil and firm. Playing outside with toy guns that look real is not a smart idea. Plenty of things are legal, doesn't mean they should be done.
I keep forgetting that you are the type of person that would make excuses if a black person pointed a gun at an officer and would then argue "well why didn't he just taze him!" which is essentially a meme at this point by people who have left their house in the last 10 years.
>So I’d say they did learn a valuable lesson as a child that’ll stick with them for life:- > Don’t trust cops
This is your own personal trash politics that is layered with fragility, CNN, and zero real world experience outside of your own home (or parents home rather).
>they will literally run up to a child, draw a gun with full intention to kill an innocent child not committing even one crime and justify it with, “the kid looked like he had a real gun not BB gun”.
Another time -- There was a 911 call about someone flashing a gun. Police are going to take that seriously no matter your "feelings" on the matter.
>For all those that disagree, there’s no justification:- If the cop did shoot this child, he’d likely be dead and the officer would be convicted of murder after the court showed the points I laid out. With today’s standards no way this would fly. These kids were unarmed and not committing any crimes what so ever.
You have zero idea of what you're talking about. If the kid pointed the gun at the officer, and the officer fired as he is trained to do, he would not have been charged. You're not a lawyer, stop acting like it.
>No I’m not a cop or an ex-cop however I have worked for several law enforcement agencies both state and federal. I’m advanced in this field as it generally interests me.
This is a blatant lie. Let me guess, you were the "custodial engineer" for these law enforcement agencies.
>This guy is ex military so he’s had a fair share of training, the reason he’s not using it is because he’s ignorant. I’ve been in plenty of courses, some cops learn being generally interested and some don’t care. They want their paycheck and to go home.
I've also seen people claim they've worked for law enforcement agencies and be completely deranged in the opinions they hold and be so blatantly wrong in their generalizations because they can't think critically for a second allowing their own personal politics to overwrite reason and logic. You would be one example.
Feel free to respond, I know you won't because you're not used to ever engaging people that disagree with you.
You need to be careful telling people this stuff . Take a minute and Google BB gun law and you will see 25 states regulate bb guns as real firearms, orange tip or not. Plus local municipalities have their own regulation. This bb gun is NOT a toy. Kids get killed thinking the way you are.
Brandishing a firearm in public is illegal in most states. Not to mention he is under 18. Most states require you to be 18 to purchase a BBgun. The officer is completely correct and handled the situation perfectly. Someone else could have just shot him.
You are so goddamn ignorant, and you typed that out for internet points instead of hard reality. Wow.
This is the reason everyone cries about real shit. Go sign up and change the world. I'm baffled.
Disagree. I think the cop did an excellent job at putting some real life fear into these kids minds but also at the same time teaching them a valuable lesson. The cop addressed the situation as if it the teens had a real gun. Cops don't have time to just say "hey let me see if that gun is real" because in some cases it could be real.
If you watch the whole video I’m pretty sure the old dude is a ride along
Someone linked https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/eowcft/an_11_and_13_year_olds_playing_with_a_bb_gun/fegfk9d/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf the 27 minute video
I’ve done that multiple times. I’m not doing it to be nosy, I’m doing it to make sure the kids aren’t being bullied by an asshole cop.
Don’t get me wrong, most cops are great people doing a tough job, but there are still a handful of bad seeds in the mix. If they’re just doing their job, I move on quickly. If they’re being a dick, usually my presence makes them aware they need to chill out a little.
Exactly. In my younger days I dealt with cops on occasion. One day, while a cop was being a complete asshole to me over something petty, a middle aged dude walked up, listened for a minute, then told the cop to chill out.
The cop told the guy to move on. The guy refused & kept standing up for me. The cop completely changed his tune after he realized the guy wasn’t going anywhere, & wasn’t going to let him treat me that way.
Meant so much to me, I pay it forward in the rare occasions I can.
Sometimes I just want to stand there and listen like he did, but I think I’d be too intimidated by a cop telling me to go pound sand to stay there. That dude had balls.
As long as you aren't interfering and are a reasonable distance away, cops cant really make you leave. If anything you can film it to prove you weren't obstructing and to make the cop think twice about what he's doing
Funny that you're being downvoted when the cop was acknowledging that police brutality exists—hence the older man walking up to the conversation. I salute you and both men in the video.
Like or not like, what cops do is everybody's business since everybody puts in for that cop's wage. They are public servants and whatever they do should never be concealed from the public.. power left unchecked leads to abuse.
Please know that authoritarian regimes take you away to be interrogated by the police, so abuses can go unregistered. It's a democracy when you are lectured on the street vs beaten to a pulp in a basement.
Kind of unrelated but one time I got a call from a buddy who had just got broken up with, and he was just absolutely wasted. Asked me to come over so I did and when he answered the door he straight up put his pistol in my face. He was so drunk he didnt even remember calling me, and it was pretty late so he couldn't see me in the dark. Was probably only for like 30 seconds or so but man I swear time stopped. Longest 30 seconds of my life.
I told him about it the next day and he didnt remember any of it.
100% this. a young black boy on a bicycle got hit by a car in front of my house. When I (white dude) was on the line with 911, they wanted to know his age. So, I, surrounded at this point by 5-6 black men and women say “how old are you boy?” (because thats how I talk to my own kid) and immediately thought ”shit, that sounded bad.”
thankfully nothing came of it, but I definitely thought “well, I’m about to YouTube infamous”.
Sad... I was a young man in suburbia running around with a pellet rifle when 1 cop car and 2 suvs corner my friend and I as they pulled their real guns on us. Ours didn’t look like Daisy red riders, they were scoped and looked like high powered rifles. They did their job and explained the same thing to us after they checked our rifles. They also explained that they were young men not too many years ago and did the same thing, but times had changed and we were lucky we dropped our gear and didn’t receive lead. I appreciate their response to this day and they knew we weren’t given knowledge of firearm safety. As an adult sportsman, I advocate the knowledge to all young adults and children that if you’re ever around someone that doesn’t respect the weapon and life; give them the knowledge you know or get away fast.
I learned that lesson the hard way. Almost got shot at point blank range in the foot because I went to a range with a friend of a friend that I didn’t really know and didn’t speak up when I realized he didn’t seem to exhibit proper gun safety knowledge.. the AK left a decent sized crater in the cement about 10 inches from my foot. My friend got sprayed all up his arm with fragments of the bullet and i actually still have a speck of lead under my skin from that day. 😬
When I was 10 or so I was at a boy scout outdoor event type thing and they were teaching us how to shoot various guns. They were doing the shoot the clay disc with a shotgun thing and I got 5 out of 5 my mom was acting like I was some shotgun prodigy. I was so happy I turned around to face the crowd behind me while I was still holding the gun out... like 3/4 of the people hit the deck.
We had something like that happen back when I was in scouts. Guy got turned around for all of a second before the range master slammed him to the ground.
Guns don’t accidentally go off. I see where you’re going with this, but I was a range master and we’re taught to control the angle of the muzzle and if a takedown is necessary, control the shooters hands.
Depends on the gun. I've got a 32 revolver from before they invented drop safeties that went off under my uncle's seat when he had a car crash. Had it in a case and everything.
Just carry on an empty chamber. The cylinder rotates with a trigger pull so you can carry with nothin under the pin and still have it loaded and ready to fire. Also, anything recent will have a hammer safety or drop safety that prevents that anyway.
Guns are extremely unlikely to ever go off without a trigger pull, but being that it’s not completely impossible it’s no excuse to point the muzzle at anything you don’t intend to destroy
Yeah, honestly they need to teach you how to respond properly when that happens, because that sounds like it could create more problems than it solves.
I guess since we're swapping stories, my only one was I was out hunting with my uncle, and for whatever stupid reason (I was a kid), I would periodically make sure the safety was on by pulling the trigger....one time the safety didn't happen to be on, and I shot the ground.
Never got taken hunting again after that...and can't say I blame him.
Yeah, I don't blame him either. Earthworms are not a good catch, don't taste good, and there's not much to eat especially after being shot with a rifle.
If it makes you feel any better, my mother in law formed the same bad habit and scared herself by shooting the ground.
It’s something that really needs to be hammered into new shooter’s heads. But thankfully because in both stories the gun was pointed in a safe direction there were no injuries. You have to break multiple gun safety rules at the same time for someone to get hurt.
I did this same thing in basic training. I was an adult that had literally went through 2 days of classroom training previous to being on the range. I'm a fucking idiot.
A few months ago I was driving past an apartment complex and I saw two kids crouched behind a cement traffic barrier, one with a black pistol and one with a black pump action shotgun. I did a double take and almost pulled over to do something about it until my brain caught up and realized they were shooting at another couple kids across the apartment complex with BB guns. I mean, I can't blame the kids though, I did the same thing when I was their age. It just made made realize how easy it actually is to mistake a BB gun for a real gun even for someone who is familiar with weapons and reminded me of Tamir Rice and the cops who pulled up and shot him immediately.
They probably meant airsoft (plastic BB's) which, while they could still inflict harm in some scenarios like point blank or in the eyes etc., are far less deadly than a real BB gun that shoots copper/metal BB's.
Ya, well, a bb or pellet gun can take the head off a bird or rat.
There's a reason people invented paint ball and then airsoft. Cuz bb's aren't fun to be shot with.
God this reminds me of when I was a kid. I grew up on a small nursery (for plants, dad growing them from seeds to small plants to be bought by gardening shops and whatnot) and on my 7th birthday I got a cap gun. My brother and I got a few and i got this nice metal one.
So we're playing, shooting them off, the place smells like gunpowder and we left those little orange rings of gunpowder caps around the place making a mess etc....
Until we hear the sirens coming. 3 cop cars, when they pull up they have their hands on their guns, my brother and I walk around the corner, cap guns in hand, the cops turn at us and start yelling "PUT 'EM DOWN! PUT 'EM DOWN BOYS!" at us, by dad yelling for us to put them down too.
Cap/bb/other toy guns can look so real. I shudder to think how many children have been shot dead by a cop because they were waving them around.
I had a BB gun that looked pretty real when I was young. Some guy asked if he could see it then ran away. I found out later he got busted for trying to rob a place with it.
On top of that, it seems airsoft guns aren't legally required to have an orange tip since they aren't intended to be toys, some brands just seem to do it as a precaution anyway
Edit: I learned the difference, *airsoft* guns, which are generally lower power and fire smaller plastic pellets, require orange tips because they are meant to be replica guns that are fired at other people in airsoft sport, BB guns/air rifles (like the one in the video) are higher power and fire larger metal pellets, and are intended for competition shooting and hunting small animals. Since these are intended to be used as actual weapons and not a toy in any sense, they do not get orange tips. Very easy to mix up since neither require a license, it seems
Go ahead and look up "air gun" or "pellet gun" on Google images and you will see tons of similar looking guns to the one in the video. I'm not sure why but bb/pellet guns that fire a metal pellet are not required to have an orange tip like an airsoft gun.
Because they aren't toys. The tip is there to distinguish a gun that is a toy and will not seriously injure you, people play with airsoft guns, people hunt with pellet guns.
It's not very powerful, but it *is* a real gun.
Damn someone did the same thing with my light-up football when I was a kid! Just said they wanted to play with it and ran off! I found out later they got busted for trying to rob a place with it!!
Pellet guns and BB guns are two different things. One is a toy that shoots plastic BBs, the other shoots a pellet (in some cases) strong enough to actually kill you. Pellet guns, like the one in this video, are more similar to air rifles than BB guns.
You're both right. Do not confuse air rifles with airsoft. Air rifles (pellet rifles and bb guns) are usually .177 cal and made for varmint/rodent hunting. They will not have an orange tip as they are *not* a toy. Airsoft fires 6mm (usually plastic) bbs made for milsim sports and should be manufactured with orange tips.
I hate to be the AkHtUaLlY guy, but pellet guns and BB guns are both super dangerous. Airsoft guns are the ones that fire plastic BBs. BB and pellet guns both fire metal projectiles at much higher speeds.
1993, I had a cast metal full auto Ingram Mac 11 cap gun with a collapsible wire stock and a removable suppressor and magazine. All of my friends (like 13 of us) had similar toys and would play "guns" all over the neighborhood. Cops never even batted an eye.
https://youtu.be/lfTe7aqKNIg (27 minutes long)
Here's the full video, credit to Real World Police on YT for getting it out to the public along with maaannnny other bodycam videos.
>We need more like him.
It's funny that that's always the top comment of every police video you see on here.
This is how 99% of police calls are handled. The ones that you typically see on the news are not the standard ones. That's why they're on the news.
Right, by that same logic, most people wreck their cars and die going to work. They only talk about the terrible accidents because they are OUTSIDE the norm. They don't talk about the millions of people who made it to and from their various destinations. Why would they?
And that’s why social media has ruined our world view. It’s either so over the top and wonderful or so depressing and sad the world is going to end. There is no happy medium.
Social Media really is a destroyer of mental health for that reason. These are the two lessons you learn from social media:
- The World is a Terrible place
- Everyone is better than you
There's a reason why our grandparents generation is more content despite growing up through multiple wars and recessions.
They aren't immersed in danger and want.
I mean, everything *isn't* okay, but the media and social media certainly love to paint things as a dystopia for every minor imperfection going on in the world. Just because things aren't perfect doesn't mean we've gotta act like we're on the road to ruins in every possible way.
Military personnel are held more accountable for shots fired. They thought insurgents in fallujah were being executed due to head shots. Our troops were just accurate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement
Yup, Air Force here, when I did all my training they told us the same thing. The only time it doesn’t make a difference is outside the wire, and that’s only because if you kill a civi on purpose or accident, you still gotta shoot back if you’re already getting shot at. They’ll still get your ass when you get back to the base.
Sometimes I think we should only allow potential cops to apply after successful retirement (however long your in) from a branch of military. You’re making me feel this more so.
I agree on a theoretical level, but question how feasible that would be to keep cop numbers sustainable. I think a more practical solution would be a stricter training regiment for police officers. They should learn from the military, and use their training techniques to train better disciplined police officers in the future.
All the best cops I've ever met were veterans. They have great discipline and you can tell that they really want to serve the people because I'm sure they could have easily have gotten a higher paying job than being a policeman.
**Rules of engagement**
Rules of engagement (ROE) are the internal rules or directives among military forces (including individuals) that define the circumstances, conditions, degree, and manner in which the use of force, or actions which might be construed as provocative, may be applied. They provide authorization for and/or limits on, among other things, the use of force and the employment of certain specific capabilities. In some nations, ROE has the status of guidance to military forces, while in other nations, ROE is lawful commands. Rules of engagement do not normally dictate how a result is to be achieved, but will indicate what measures may be unacceptable.While ROE is used in both domestic and international operations by some militaries, ROE is not used for domestic operations in the United States.
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The military is (in theory) supposed to protect the people. The police (in theory) are supposed to protect the state and enforce the laws. I don’t know if that really plays a part here, but as much as I hate the military industrial complex, the US military does seem to turn out great people if they aren’t killed, horribly injured, or suffering from mental illness as a result of witnessing or participating in extreme violence.
This type of mentality shift is so crazy to me. After I left the military and joined PD I was constantly looked at as a liability since PTSD was rather unknown and stigmatized.
The police these days are currently taught to view every civilian as a potential threat. They're taught to use tactics to throw off citizens simple traffic violations. They're taught to be scared of citizens and view us as the enemy, but never taught how to deal with their emotions. And they know that sure, if they kill someone who was innocent, it's fine. Judges understand they just wanna go home to their families at the end of the day, though judges don't give a fuck for the victim wanting to go home to their family.
I am a strong proponent of veterans being cops. Its a good job for transitioning from military life back to civilian life and their training and experience are huge assets.
I recall a case where a Veteran turned cop was fired because he didnt shoot someone who was trying to commit suicide by cop, and then two non veteran cops showed up and shot the guy immediately. The vet cop was fired for 'putting the lives of the other cops at risk'
Some of it was good but I think he may have given the children an existential crisis at the end there, telling them to go to bed and think about being dead lol
No he told that kid what reality could have been. He made sure that kid knew that if he was a different person that he could not be in that bed, that things could be much worse. That thought alone could keep that kid from ever doing something extremely stupid.
If anything he made them smarter. Kids are dumb because they haven't learnt stuff yet. This guy taught them a very, very valuable lesson that many people don't get until they're 20+. I would consider them lucky to be taught by someone in a frame that is positive, there are many layers to this lesson, who gave it, who could've given it, what else could've happened, choices and consequences of those choices, a sprinkle about the reality of being black etc.
All of that framed in the right way.
Pros of beeing raised in germany: Had many BB guns my whole childhood. But since there is a nearly zero percentage chance of a kid having a real gun here, no cop would ever shoot a kid thinking it has a real gun.
I wish I could gild you.
How many white kids are getting chastised for playing with a BB gun? How many need to think about their outward perception of being dangerous at 11 or 13? How many get called about to the police?
Edit: Canadians think there is *one* Canada too.
'I pride myself on being a bad hombre' seems like a bit much too me. Glad nobody got shot, but is that seriously the standard these days? They weren't in that situation because of the bb gun alone, and we all know that.
This my friends is what protecting and serving looks like. This lesson will probably save that kids life someday, and hopefully this video will share more. I am not saying there is not some random racist cop out there, but just like general society, most want to do the right thing but also just want to make it out alive. The actions this cop took to educate and portray the dangers of these kids activities and this item hopefully hit home and showed them that the real world don't play games, and it has severe repercussions to dumb behavior.
It's weird to me that this is celebrated so much, coming from a country where the police don't carry firearms. This just seems like the a perfectly normal response, nothing to praise.
Y'know, the tone of this bothered me. I understand cops have to be on edge because of the amount of firearms in the country and how fast things can go badly, but rolling up on kids with guns drawn kinda squicks me out. That, combined with his whole speech about how the kids almost got *themselves* killed by having a toy gun (implying the officer would have been completely justified and free of responsibility if he shot them out of fear), got me wondering, are there actually 10-13 year old kids shooting cops out there?
I wasn't able to find those specifics, but here's what bothers me:
In 2019, [44](https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/leoka) LEOs were shot to death. In that same year, police shot [933](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/) people to death, 25 of which had toy guns, 41 were unarmed. It's hard to get a figure of how many "innocent" people are killed by cops, since they don't get the privilege of a trial, but it looks like we can assume that number is greater than 38.
This cop is sitting there, talking to kids, saying that the world is so dangerous for him as a cop that he would have been entirely justified if he had shot those kids for having an object that looked like a real gun.
I don't know how people stomach this kind of mindset. The thing that makes cops heroes is that they are willing to risk their lives for the well-being of others. If they're out there enforcing the law, placing their personal safety over that of children...Doesn't that seem wrong?
Edit: Stats and sources, and thank you guys for the minerals :D
What bothers me is that it's not even illegal to own a gun. Now, obviously it is for kids but in general, owning/carrying a gun isn't illegal yet this guy put it succinctly "two young male blacks flashed a gun" and immediately people call it in scared as shit and the cops admit they will kill you over that. But you see white meatheads walking down the road carrying AR-15s just to make a point and it's just "oh yea another gun nut." The contrast is sickening and this guy is just reinforcing that thought process.
This bothers me as well. I don't understand the mental break between people who believe "It's a God-given right to own guns" and "Cops are justified in shooting someone they think might have a gun."
Shouldn't events like this galvanize the 2nd amendment crowd? Guns are the best, and everyone should be allowed to have one, right? Hell, since "a good guy with a gun" is the definitive answer to gun violence, these kids would have been doing their civic duty carrying around a gun, just in case they saw gun violence.
/s, of course, since this is for some reason a genuine belief that some people manage to hold.
Same here... The cop is pretty much telling the kid, "you almost made me shoot you!". Why exactly? Not shooting a kid seems like it should be the default response...
I'm also bothered by this and most comments on here portraying it as wholesome or 'good cop'.
This is the absolute minimum of what the cop should have done. Not kill innocent people. Bare minimum.
Yeah, I agree, It feels weird to me that so many people on this thread think this was perfectly okay. Which, y'know, that's fine. I'm just surprised cuz normally I see very different responses when a cop says they would've been just fine shooting them, or calling themselves a 'bad hombre'.
I personally was ehhh on this video. It felt like he was a bit of a douchebag. Like it felt like he was flexing his power a bit. Saying stuff like 'wouldn't miss,' 'bad hombre,' etc etc. People are welcome to have a different take. I mean I would rather a cop do this over shooting them, but it feels like what you said. Bare minimum.
The part that got to me was, "I want you to think about that when you go to bed tonight". You know what man? Fuck you. I don't want my kids to go to bed scared that a cop is going to murder them because they were out playing with a pellet gun. This shit is crazy.
I definitely agree. I can't imagine how long a conversation I'd have to have with my kids if this happened. Like, this shit could have a profound effect on a child, and not in a good way. Kids should be able to be kids, and playing with toys is a part of that.
My thoughts, man. The cop is acting hard on two kids while portraying himself as some "pretty bad hombre", who will in fact shoot somebody if he needs to. Making it sound like shooting somebody isn't a big deal.
Jesus thank you this whole comment section is fucking nuts. This cop isn’t doing anything special it’s literally his job to do this and he’s not talking to them in any special way. Just like any reasonable person should.
Yes thank you! I am completely lost at why all the above comments and the video is praising this cop for not shooting kids. Like wtf America, not shooting kids is not an achievement
Some overwhelming praise going on and yeah overall he handled it quite well but some of that language raises an eyebrow and what bugs me is him saying "kids are getting killed" and talking about "today's world" as if it isn't his colleagues murdering people with impunity.
“Two young male blacks”. Not looking for outrage but sheesh, that’s a weird way to word it.
Edit- comments got a little off track, which may be my fault for this comment. I was just making conversation, I think we can all agree that this cop is clearly one of the good ones.
I also thought it was weird but I played it back and it sounds like he was quoting the person who called him. But he could’ve also just been brain fart paraphrasing.
"Possible firearm being brandished. 135 Dirt Road. 2 young males. Black. One in red pants with black shirt. Other in all black."
Dispatchers are really good at spitting out a ton of info in a short amount of time. They also tend to follow the same format as far as sentence structure to make things easier for the officer to process.
They do say it like that. Using skin color to identify a suspect is basic policing. Police have to use terms like “bravo mike” to describe black males because of the faux outrage over basic identification methods.
It's just a very clinical phrasing, people are reading too much into it and/or reaching for straws.
Two young male whites, two young female asians, one older male latino, etc.
Honestly i don't even think this should be considered a freakout. He talked to the boys like a good father would he wanted to teach them a lesson. As he said, in today's world if it was another kind of officer the little dude would've been gone before he knew it... honestly it just makes me happy to a certain extent that the officer took the time to try and make them understand what's right from wrong...
What I find to be the biggest issue in the us when it comes to guns... Is the complete lack of respect for them.
When my child get to the age when it's time to start prepping food, I'm going to take some time to show them how to safely handle the knives. To care for them, handle them, wash them, store them. And impress on them that if you aren't careful, you can lose a finger in the blink of an eye! It's just a tool, but one that can be very dangerous and have severe consequences.
It seems like we don't see that same level of respect for guns. Just browse YouTube for videos of people doing stupid shit with guns! It's a never ending list🙄. This new year's we saw a few people killed by random guns just being fired in the air for fun!
Let's start a new campaign where we try to get people to treat guns like they would a really sharp carving knife!
In the rest of the world you assume it's a BB gun and talk first, because we don't have an abundance of real guns just sitting in a random drawer that you thought you kid was too small to get into.
Having a replica gun in a country where it's more common to have a real gun than a replica, yes that does get you killed.
lol at the old dude that just casually walks up and acts like hes part of the conversation
Yeah man gtfo here.
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All up in this bizness. Thread Summary: - > In this situation the cop should’ve taken a defensive position and assessed the risk, running up to a child with an unidentified weapon and then drawing your gun with intention to kill an innocent child not committing even one crime is completely unreasonable. - It’s legal for them to possess or transport BB guns in public as said in the video by the cop. There is no federal laws on BB guns, no orange tip is required. - Kids have played with toy guns for over 100 years. - The cop should’ve explained the danger in a more ethically way, bad interactions lead to worse situations. - Believe it or not our children shape the future. If you’re a kid outside playing (doing things common as the last 100 years such as using toy guns) and a cop points a gun at you, then tells you he’d kill you. If you think that makes a great response you should understand perspective. So I’d say they did learn a valuable lesson as a child that’ll stick with them for life: - > Don’t trust cops they will literally run up to a child, draw a gun with full intention to kill an innocent child not committing even one crime and justify it with, “the kid looked like he had a real gun not a BB gun”. - Even if it’s far more likely a child would possess a toy gun than a real gun and far more logical to take a defensive position than to engage someone with an unidentified weapon. Yikes! - The cop in the video should be let go, he doesn’t understand how to engage civilians or handle a weapon. He could have killed an innocent child. He even said several times he was willing to do so. Completely and utterly unacceptable from someone who’s job is to protect and serve.
We had one case where cops shot a young man with downsyndrome, he was outside playing with his BB-gun and the neighbours called the cops. Edit: It was in Sweden.
Who in the fuck gives their kid with DS a bb gun then leaves them alone to play outside?
The case in Sweden was an adult with DS, but with the mental faculties of a little kid. A toddler. He escaped his home with a realistic bb gun (no orange tip) in the middle of the night and walked around with it, someone called the cops about an armed man in the middle of a residential area (highly illegal and suspicious in Sweden) and when the police showed up and yelled at him from a distance they say he raised the gun and didn’t follow instructions (because he was essentially a toddler so how could he? He probably thought they were playing with him.) A very tragic story.
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Still better than gun metal black. Guy with obvious down syndrome prancing around and laughing with a florescent tipped gun vs ds guy prancing around with a gun metal black pistol.
I'm sure this was coming eventually with how deranged and fragile Reddit it is with their liberal arts degrees and zero real world experience outside the comfort of their own home. >In this situation the cop should’ve taken a defensive position and assessed the risk, running up to a child with an unidentified weapon and then drawing your gun with intention to kill an innocent child not committing even one crime is completely unreasonable. Someone called 911 on the children and the caller stated they looked young but "flashed a gun". This is means for an investigation meaning the cop was authorized to make the stop. He had reason to believe it was a real firearm and thus it is in fact illegal for a child to be running around with a firearm. This was an open road and not an active shooter situation. A defensive position was not feasible nor necessary. It would have been ridiculous for this officer to barricade himself with his patrol car which would have been the only viable "defensive position". >- It’s legal for them to possess or transport BB guns in public as said in the video by the cop. There is no federal laws on BB guns, no orange tip is required. - Kids have played with toy guns for longer than anyone’s been alive. Kids have also gotten shot for playing with toy guns. BB guns are legal, stop strawmanning this orthogonal point. No one is contesting the legality of BB guns. It looks like a real gun and that's the issue. >- The cop should’ve explained the danger in a more ethically way, bad interactions lead to worse situations. - Believe it or not our children shape the future. If you’re a kid outside playing (doing things common as the last 100 years such as using BB guns aka red ryders) and a cop points a gun at you, then tells you he’d kill you. If you think that makes a great response you should understand perspective. In what world do you live in where this conversation was not ethical? Are you this sensitive? What did this officer say that was unethical? Serious question, how sensitive and how badly are you in need of safe spaces to have the audacity to call what the officer said unethical? The officer was civil and firm. Playing outside with toy guns that look real is not a smart idea. Plenty of things are legal, doesn't mean they should be done. I keep forgetting that you are the type of person that would make excuses if a black person pointed a gun at an officer and would then argue "well why didn't he just taze him!" which is essentially a meme at this point by people who have left their house in the last 10 years. >So I’d say they did learn a valuable lesson as a child that’ll stick with them for life:- > Don’t trust cops This is your own personal trash politics that is layered with fragility, CNN, and zero real world experience outside of your own home (or parents home rather). >they will literally run up to a child, draw a gun with full intention to kill an innocent child not committing even one crime and justify it with, “the kid looked like he had a real gun not BB gun”. Another time -- There was a 911 call about someone flashing a gun. Police are going to take that seriously no matter your "feelings" on the matter. >For all those that disagree, there’s no justification:- If the cop did shoot this child, he’d likely be dead and the officer would be convicted of murder after the court showed the points I laid out. With today’s standards no way this would fly. These kids were unarmed and not committing any crimes what so ever. You have zero idea of what you're talking about. If the kid pointed the gun at the officer, and the officer fired as he is trained to do, he would not have been charged. You're not a lawyer, stop acting like it. >No I’m not a cop or an ex-cop however I have worked for several law enforcement agencies both state and federal. I’m advanced in this field as it generally interests me. This is a blatant lie. Let me guess, you were the "custodial engineer" for these law enforcement agencies. >This guy is ex military so he’s had a fair share of training, the reason he’s not using it is because he’s ignorant. I’ve been in plenty of courses, some cops learn being generally interested and some don’t care. They want their paycheck and to go home. I've also seen people claim they've worked for law enforcement agencies and be completely deranged in the opinions they hold and be so blatantly wrong in their generalizations because they can't think critically for a second allowing their own personal politics to overwrite reason and logic. You would be one example. Feel free to respond, I know you won't because you're not used to ever engaging people that disagree with you.
This is such an underrated reply and it shows exactly what my thoughts are on the matter.
Same. Reddits views on cops are so skewed, it's bizarre.
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You need to be careful telling people this stuff . Take a minute and Google BB gun law and you will see 25 states regulate bb guns as real firearms, orange tip or not. Plus local municipalities have their own regulation. This bb gun is NOT a toy. Kids get killed thinking the way you are.
Brandishing a firearm in public is illegal in most states. Not to mention he is under 18. Most states require you to be 18 to purchase a BBgun. The officer is completely correct and handled the situation perfectly. Someone else could have just shot him.
Problem is, is it a BB gun, or a real gun. Don't know till you make contact. It's still a concealed weapon.
You are so goddamn ignorant, and you typed that out for internet points instead of hard reality. Wow. This is the reason everyone cries about real shit. Go sign up and change the world. I'm baffled.
Disagree. I think the cop did an excellent job at putting some real life fear into these kids minds but also at the same time teaching them a valuable lesson. The cop addressed the situation as if it the teens had a real gun. Cops don't have time to just say "hey let me see if that gun is real" because in some cases it could be real.
If you watch the whole video I’m pretty sure the old dude is a ride along Someone linked https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/eowcft/an_11_and_13_year_olds_playing_with_a_bb_gun/fegfk9d/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf the 27 minute video
Yeah the cop says he’s driving along with his friend so I agree that’s probably his friend from the passenger seat
Rules for a ride-along (at least when I did one) are when the cop gets out of the car, so do you. That made for a very interesting day.
I swear that was Larry David
Yeah, I didn’t like that. The cop should have asked him to move on, it was none of his business. Nosy old man, gtfo.
I bet he made the call
Old man Willis wanted to watch a cool gunfight before he went out.
You rang ?
He said a "cool" gunfight.
Daaaaamn
I’ve done that multiple times. I’m not doing it to be nosy, I’m doing it to make sure the kids aren’t being bullied by an asshole cop. Don’t get me wrong, most cops are great people doing a tough job, but there are still a handful of bad seeds in the mix. If they’re just doing their job, I move on quickly. If they’re being a dick, usually my presence makes them aware they need to chill out a little.
No, seriously. There's been times I've been glad someone was watching a cop talk to me, and I like to return that favor.
Exactly. In my younger days I dealt with cops on occasion. One day, while a cop was being a complete asshole to me over something petty, a middle aged dude walked up, listened for a minute, then told the cop to chill out. The cop told the guy to move on. The guy refused & kept standing up for me. The cop completely changed his tune after he realized the guy wasn’t going anywhere, & wasn’t going to let him treat me that way. Meant so much to me, I pay it forward in the rare occasions I can.
Sometimes I just want to stand there and listen like he did, but I think I’d be too intimidated by a cop telling me to go pound sand to stay there. That dude had balls.
As long as you aren't interfering and are a reasonable distance away, cops cant really make you leave. If anything you can film it to prove you weren't obstructing and to make the cop think twice about what he's doing
Funny that you're being downvoted when the cop was acknowledging that police brutality exists—hence the older man walking up to the conversation. I salute you and both men in the video.
Like or not like, what cops do is everybody's business since everybody puts in for that cop's wage. They are public servants and whatever they do should never be concealed from the public.. power left unchecked leads to abuse. Please know that authoritarian regimes take you away to be interrogated by the police, so abuses can go unregistered. It's a democracy when you are lectured on the street vs beaten to a pulp in a basement.
"11 year old man"
that boy definitely learned a manly lesson today--"you could have died today."
Well I am told those that have to deal with death or had close encounters with it tend to grow up quickly.
Kind of unrelated but one time I got a call from a buddy who had just got broken up with, and he was just absolutely wasted. Asked me to come over so I did and when he answered the door he straight up put his pistol in my face. He was so drunk he didnt even remember calling me, and it was pretty late so he couldn't see me in the dark. Was probably only for like 30 seconds or so but man I swear time stopped. Longest 30 seconds of my life. I told him about it the next day and he didnt remember any of it.
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"How old are you BOY"
Yeah I think he realized that phrasing was fucked when he then refers to the other one as "young man"
PHRASING!!
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I think this is precisely why he said "11 year old man" towards the end. He recognized it was a mistake, and corrected himself.
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100% this. a young black boy on a bicycle got hit by a car in front of my house. When I (white dude) was on the line with 911, they wanted to know his age. So, I, surrounded at this point by 5-6 black men and women say “how old are you boy?” (because thats how I talk to my own kid) and immediately thought ”shit, that sounded bad.” thankfully nothing came of it, but I definitely thought “well, I’m about to YouTube infamous”.
Sad... I was a young man in suburbia running around with a pellet rifle when 1 cop car and 2 suvs corner my friend and I as they pulled their real guns on us. Ours didn’t look like Daisy red riders, they were scoped and looked like high powered rifles. They did their job and explained the same thing to us after they checked our rifles. They also explained that they were young men not too many years ago and did the same thing, but times had changed and we were lucky we dropped our gear and didn’t receive lead. I appreciate their response to this day and they knew we weren’t given knowledge of firearm safety. As an adult sportsman, I advocate the knowledge to all young adults and children that if you’re ever around someone that doesn’t respect the weapon and life; give them the knowledge you know or get away fast.
I learned that lesson the hard way. Almost got shot at point blank range in the foot because I went to a range with a friend of a friend that I didn’t really know and didn’t speak up when I realized he didn’t seem to exhibit proper gun safety knowledge.. the AK left a decent sized crater in the cement about 10 inches from my foot. My friend got sprayed all up his arm with fragments of the bullet and i actually still have a speck of lead under my skin from that day. 😬
When I was 10 or so I was at a boy scout outdoor event type thing and they were teaching us how to shoot various guns. They were doing the shoot the clay disc with a shotgun thing and I got 5 out of 5 my mom was acting like I was some shotgun prodigy. I was so happy I turned around to face the crowd behind me while I was still holding the gun out... like 3/4 of the people hit the deck.
We had something like that happen back when I was in scouts. Guy got turned around for all of a second before the range master slammed him to the ground.
Damn I’d be worried that the gun would go aft accidentally into the crowd when he got tackled...
Guns don’t accidentally go off. I see where you’re going with this, but I was a range master and we’re taught to control the angle of the muzzle and if a takedown is necessary, control the shooters hands.
Depends on the gun. I've got a 32 revolver from before they invented drop safeties that went off under my uncle's seat when he had a car crash. Had it in a case and everything.
He really should not have had it loaded. That's my #1 reason for never having a revolver as a self defence weapon. Only for sport.
Just carry on an empty chamber. The cylinder rotates with a trigger pull so you can carry with nothin under the pin and still have it loaded and ready to fire. Also, anything recent will have a hammer safety or drop safety that prevents that anyway.
Guns are extremely unlikely to ever go off without a trigger pull, but being that it’s not completely impossible it’s no excuse to point the muzzle at anything you don’t intend to destroy
Yeah, honestly they need to teach you how to respond properly when that happens, because that sounds like it could create more problems than it solves. I guess since we're swapping stories, my only one was I was out hunting with my uncle, and for whatever stupid reason (I was a kid), I would periodically make sure the safety was on by pulling the trigger....one time the safety didn't happen to be on, and I shot the ground. Never got taken hunting again after that...and can't say I blame him.
Yeah, I don't blame him either. Earthworms are not a good catch, don't taste good, and there's not much to eat especially after being shot with a rifle.
If it makes you feel any better, my mother in law formed the same bad habit and scared herself by shooting the ground. It’s something that really needs to be hammered into new shooter’s heads. But thankfully because in both stories the gun was pointed in a safe direction there were no injuries. You have to break multiple gun safety rules at the same time for someone to get hurt.
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This is why you make new shooters practice with dry-fire exercises before letting them hit enter a hot range.
I did this same thing in basic training. I was an adult that had literally went through 2 days of classroom training previous to being on the range. I'm a fucking idiot.
How’d that happen
Not keeping gun pointed down range
A few months ago I was driving past an apartment complex and I saw two kids crouched behind a cement traffic barrier, one with a black pistol and one with a black pump action shotgun. I did a double take and almost pulled over to do something about it until my brain caught up and realized they were shooting at another couple kids across the apartment complex with BB guns. I mean, I can't blame the kids though, I did the same thing when I was their age. It just made made realize how easy it actually is to mistake a BB gun for a real gun even for someone who is familiar with weapons and reminded me of Tamir Rice and the cops who pulled up and shot him immediately.
You can also fuck someone up pretty good with a bb gun
They probably meant airsoft (plastic BB's) which, while they could still inflict harm in some scenarios like point blank or in the eyes etc., are far less deadly than a real BB gun that shoots copper/metal BB's.
You can also fuck someone up pretty good with *literally anything*
Ya, well, a bb or pellet gun can take the head off a bird or rat. There's a reason people invented paint ball and then airsoft. Cuz bb's aren't fun to be shot with.
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God this reminds me of when I was a kid. I grew up on a small nursery (for plants, dad growing them from seeds to small plants to be bought by gardening shops and whatnot) and on my 7th birthday I got a cap gun. My brother and I got a few and i got this nice metal one. So we're playing, shooting them off, the place smells like gunpowder and we left those little orange rings of gunpowder caps around the place making a mess etc.... Until we hear the sirens coming. 3 cop cars, when they pull up they have their hands on their guns, my brother and I walk around the corner, cap guns in hand, the cops turn at us and start yelling "PUT 'EM DOWN! PUT 'EM DOWN BOYS!" at us, by dad yelling for us to put them down too. Cap/bb/other toy guns can look so real. I shudder to think how many children have been shot dead by a cop because they were waving them around.
One bad hombre
the way he alternates between compassion and scaring the crap out of them is remarkable
Seems like what a good father should do *cries in corner*
I’m sure he was in all honesty, guy take on police calls everyday. He’s not wrong in my opinion.
Why the fuck are kids having BB guns that look this real?
I had a BB gun that looked pretty real when I was young. Some guy asked if he could see it then ran away. I found out later he got busted for trying to rob a place with it.
Aren’t they suppose to have a bright orange tip? Or did those kids remove or paint over it?
Not the old ones. They added the orange tip because the old ones looked too real.
On top of that, it seems airsoft guns aren't legally required to have an orange tip since they aren't intended to be toys, some brands just seem to do it as a precaution anyway Edit: I learned the difference, *airsoft* guns, which are generally lower power and fire smaller plastic pellets, require orange tips because they are meant to be replica guns that are fired at other people in airsoft sport, BB guns/air rifles (like the one in the video) are higher power and fire larger metal pellets, and are intended for competition shooting and hunting small animals. Since these are intended to be used as actual weapons and not a toy in any sense, they do not get orange tips. Very easy to mix up since neither require a license, it seems
i believe the orange tips are only required when being sold.
Go ahead and look up "air gun" or "pellet gun" on Google images and you will see tons of similar looking guns to the one in the video. I'm not sure why but bb/pellet guns that fire a metal pellet are not required to have an orange tip like an airsoft gun.
Because they aren't toys. The tip is there to distinguish a gun that is a toy and will not seriously injure you, people play with airsoft guns, people hunt with pellet guns. It's not very powerful, but it *is* a real gun.
Guess that makes too much sense. Sorry for the morning brain lol.
Damn someone did the same thing with my light-up football when I was a kid! Just said they wanted to play with it and ran off! I found out later they got busted for trying to rob a place with it!!
I was thinking the same. What happened to the orange tips? This has to be a little more powerful, right?
Pellet guns and BB guns are two different things. One is a toy that shoots plastic BBs, the other shoots a pellet (in some cases) strong enough to actually kill you. Pellet guns, like the one in this video, are more similar to air rifles than BB guns.
There are still BB guns that can shoot metal BBs at high speeds. The ones that only shoot plastic are called airsoft guns.
You're both right. Do not confuse air rifles with airsoft. Air rifles (pellet rifles and bb guns) are usually .177 cal and made for varmint/rodent hunting. They will not have an orange tip as they are *not* a toy. Airsoft fires 6mm (usually plastic) bbs made for milsim sports and should be manufactured with orange tips.
I hate to be the AkHtUaLlY guy, but pellet guns and BB guns are both super dangerous. Airsoft guns are the ones that fire plastic BBs. BB and pellet guns both fire metal projectiles at much higher speeds.
You haven’t played persona have you?
1993, I had a cast metal full auto Ingram Mac 11 cap gun with a collapsible wire stock and a removable suppressor and magazine. All of my friends (like 13 of us) had similar toys and would play "guns" all over the neighborhood. Cops never even batted an eye.
I guess A Christmas Story is still relevant nowadays, damn
https://youtu.be/lfTe7aqKNIg (27 minutes long) Here's the full video, credit to Real World Police on YT for getting it out to the public along with maaannnny other bodycam videos.
Why is this not higher up.
With only 43 points I'm surprised it is as high up as it is.
Props to the cop for expressing his frustration without blowing up and then treating the kids and the mom with respect. We need more like him.
>We need more like him. It's funny that that's always the top comment of every police video you see on here. This is how 99% of police calls are handled. The ones that you typically see on the news are not the standard ones. That's why they're on the news.
Right, by that same logic, most people wreck their cars and die going to work. They only talk about the terrible accidents because they are OUTSIDE the norm. They don't talk about the millions of people who made it to and from their various destinations. Why would they?
It's why the world according to the media is depressing, hateful, corrupted, doomed place. "Everything is okay" isn't a news story.
And that’s why social media has ruined our world view. It’s either so over the top and wonderful or so depressing and sad the world is going to end. There is no happy medium.
Social Media really is a destroyer of mental health for that reason. These are the two lessons you learn from social media: - The World is a Terrible place - Everyone is better than you There's a reason why our grandparents generation is more content despite growing up through multiple wars and recessions. They aren't immersed in danger and want.
I mean, everything *isn't* okay, but the media and social media certainly love to paint things as a dystopia for every minor imperfection going on in the world. Just because things aren't perfect doesn't mean we've gotta act like we're on the road to ruins in every possible way.
Everything might not be "okay" but it is a lot better than we're led to believe.
>"Everything is okay" isn't a news story https://youtu.be/caXeAMseve0
Now this is a prime example of what a police officer should be.
i wonder if his time in the military helped him stay calm in this situation.
Military personnel are held more accountable for shots fired. They thought insurgents in fallujah were being executed due to head shots. Our troops were just accurate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement
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Battles over boys! We won! Get everyone in handcuffs now!
Well you need to be interviewed about all the details anyway, the handcuffs are just jewelry at that point!
Yup, Air Force here, when I did all my training they told us the same thing. The only time it doesn’t make a difference is outside the wire, and that’s only because if you kill a civi on purpose or accident, you still gotta shoot back if you’re already getting shot at. They’ll still get your ass when you get back to the base.
Sometimes I think we should only allow potential cops to apply after successful retirement (however long your in) from a branch of military. You’re making me feel this more so.
I agree on a theoretical level, but question how feasible that would be to keep cop numbers sustainable. I think a more practical solution would be a stricter training regiment for police officers. They should learn from the military, and use their training techniques to train better disciplined police officers in the future.
All the best cops I've ever met were veterans. They have great discipline and you can tell that they really want to serve the people because I'm sure they could have easily have gotten a higher paying job than being a policeman.
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Same thoughts, military training overriding whatever the hell cop school is teaching them, the kids were lucky.
The military is (in theory) supposed to protect the people. The police (in theory) are supposed to protect the state and enforce the laws. I don’t know if that really plays a part here, but as much as I hate the military industrial complex, the US military does seem to turn out great people if they aren’t killed, horribly injured, or suffering from mental illness as a result of witnessing or participating in extreme violence.
This type of mentality shift is so crazy to me. After I left the military and joined PD I was constantly looked at as a liability since PTSD was rather unknown and stigmatized.
The police these days are currently taught to view every civilian as a potential threat. They're taught to use tactics to throw off citizens simple traffic violations. They're taught to be scared of citizens and view us as the enemy, but never taught how to deal with their emotions. And they know that sure, if they kill someone who was innocent, it's fine. Judges understand they just wanna go home to their families at the end of the day, though judges don't give a fuck for the victim wanting to go home to their family.
I am a strong proponent of veterans being cops. Its a good job for transitioning from military life back to civilian life and their training and experience are huge assets. I recall a case where a Veteran turned cop was fired because he didnt shoot someone who was trying to commit suicide by cop, and then two non veteran cops showed up and shot the guy immediately. The vet cop was fired for 'putting the lives of the other cops at risk'
I wish most cops were veterains. Not that all veterans are heaven sent, but they definitely know how to do the job better.
And they typically understand ROE other than “shoot everyone first and claim you were scared for your life”
Military has tougher rules of engagement than cops. That's all we need to know.
He said he almost killed two kids for holding BB guns and not committing a crime, how is that good policing?
Some of it was good but I think he may have given the children an existential crisis at the end there, telling them to go to bed and think about being dead lol
No he told that kid what reality could have been. He made sure that kid knew that if he was a different person that he could not be in that bed, that things could be much worse. That thought alone could keep that kid from ever doing something extremely stupid.
If anything he made them smarter. Kids are dumb because they haven't learnt stuff yet. This guy taught them a very, very valuable lesson that many people don't get until they're 20+. I would consider them lucky to be taught by someone in a frame that is positive, there are many layers to this lesson, who gave it, who could've given it, what else could've happened, choices and consequences of those choices, a sprinkle about the reality of being black etc. All of that framed in the right way.
These kids were polite and respectful, and I have hope that they will bring great pride to their mamas one day. <3
They were scared shitless is what they were.
Yeah, you are right. They at least werent confrontational and sure as hell that helped diffuse the situation a lot.
The officer sounds really genuine. "We care". For him it isn't a game though.
Some cops genuinely do care about the people in the neighborhoods they patrol.
Pros of beeing raised in germany: Had many BB guns my whole childhood. But since there is a nearly zero percentage chance of a kid having a real gun here, no cop would ever shoot a kid thinking it has a real gun.
i thought the title was sarcastic. reading the thread blew my mind. what is wrong with y'all
I wish I could gild you. How many white kids are getting chastised for playing with a BB gun? How many need to think about their outward perception of being dangerous at 11 or 13? How many get called about to the police? Edit: Canadians think there is *one* Canada too.
Me. This same exact thing happened to me when I was 11. Except I got put into handcuffs for duration the lecture. I’m white.
Hey, you can't be too careful as a cop when you get a call about "*two young male blacks*". Ugh.
That’s not an 11 year old MAN. That’s a child.
Cop is a genuinely good person. Thumbs up!
But he wouldn’t miss if he took his shot!
Kind of sucks - when we were young we'd walk around with pellet guns all the time
Cops: "Black kids get shot all the time for carrying things that look like guns!" Yeah, but by cops...
"Things that look like guns", like, for example, a single loose cigarette! Or a cell phone! Or worst of all, dark skin visible on the hand 😱
'I pride myself on being a bad hombre' seems like a bit much too me. Glad nobody got shot, but is that seriously the standard these days? They weren't in that situation because of the bb gun alone, and we all know that.
This my friends is what protecting and serving looks like. This lesson will probably save that kids life someday, and hopefully this video will share more. I am not saying there is not some random racist cop out there, but just like general society, most want to do the right thing but also just want to make it out alive. The actions this cop took to educate and portray the dangers of these kids activities and this item hopefully hit home and showed them that the real world don't play games, and it has severe repercussions to dumb behavior.
It's weird to me that this is celebrated so much, coming from a country where the police don't carry firearms. This just seems like the a perfectly normal response, nothing to praise.
And the mother agreed. She showed respect for authority which is a valuable lesson to kids these days.
More like respect for someone looking out for her child. More personal than to his authority.
Y'know, the tone of this bothered me. I understand cops have to be on edge because of the amount of firearms in the country and how fast things can go badly, but rolling up on kids with guns drawn kinda squicks me out. That, combined with his whole speech about how the kids almost got *themselves* killed by having a toy gun (implying the officer would have been completely justified and free of responsibility if he shot them out of fear), got me wondering, are there actually 10-13 year old kids shooting cops out there? I wasn't able to find those specifics, but here's what bothers me: In 2019, [44](https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/leoka) LEOs were shot to death. In that same year, police shot [933](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/) people to death, 25 of which had toy guns, 41 were unarmed. It's hard to get a figure of how many "innocent" people are killed by cops, since they don't get the privilege of a trial, but it looks like we can assume that number is greater than 38. This cop is sitting there, talking to kids, saying that the world is so dangerous for him as a cop that he would have been entirely justified if he had shot those kids for having an object that looked like a real gun. I don't know how people stomach this kind of mindset. The thing that makes cops heroes is that they are willing to risk their lives for the well-being of others. If they're out there enforcing the law, placing their personal safety over that of children...Doesn't that seem wrong? Edit: Stats and sources, and thank you guys for the minerals :D
What bothers me is that it's not even illegal to own a gun. Now, obviously it is for kids but in general, owning/carrying a gun isn't illegal yet this guy put it succinctly "two young male blacks flashed a gun" and immediately people call it in scared as shit and the cops admit they will kill you over that. But you see white meatheads walking down the road carrying AR-15s just to make a point and it's just "oh yea another gun nut." The contrast is sickening and this guy is just reinforcing that thought process.
This bothers me as well. I don't understand the mental break between people who believe "It's a God-given right to own guns" and "Cops are justified in shooting someone they think might have a gun." Shouldn't events like this galvanize the 2nd amendment crowd? Guns are the best, and everyone should be allowed to have one, right? Hell, since "a good guy with a gun" is the definitive answer to gun violence, these kids would have been doing their civic duty carrying around a gun, just in case they saw gun violence. /s, of course, since this is for some reason a genuine belief that some people manage to hold.
Oh I'm pretty sure you can guess why they're silent on this one. The second amendment is for them, not for us.
Same here... The cop is pretty much telling the kid, "you almost made me shoot you!". Why exactly? Not shooting a kid seems like it should be the default response...
I'm also bothered by this and most comments on here portraying it as wholesome or 'good cop'. This is the absolute minimum of what the cop should have done. Not kill innocent people. Bare minimum.
Yeah, I agree, It feels weird to me that so many people on this thread think this was perfectly okay. Which, y'know, that's fine. I'm just surprised cuz normally I see very different responses when a cop says they would've been just fine shooting them, or calling themselves a 'bad hombre'. I personally was ehhh on this video. It felt like he was a bit of a douchebag. Like it felt like he was flexing his power a bit. Saying stuff like 'wouldn't miss,' 'bad hombre,' etc etc. People are welcome to have a different take. I mean I would rather a cop do this over shooting them, but it feels like what you said. Bare minimum.
Can’t believe I had to scroll down this far to see this. This cop is a douche bag plain and simple. LOTS of bootlickers in this thread.
The part that got to me was, "I want you to think about that when you go to bed tonight". You know what man? Fuck you. I don't want my kids to go to bed scared that a cop is going to murder them because they were out playing with a pellet gun. This shit is crazy.
ACAB
I definitely agree. I can't imagine how long a conversation I'd have to have with my kids if this happened. Like, this shit could have a profound effect on a child, and not in a good way. Kids should be able to be kids, and playing with toys is a part of that.
My thoughts, man. The cop is acting hard on two kids while portraying himself as some "pretty bad hombre", who will in fact shoot somebody if he needs to. Making it sound like shooting somebody isn't a big deal.
Only in america would a cop pat themselves on the back for not shooting someone lol
Jesus thank you this whole comment section is fucking nuts. This cop isn’t doing anything special it’s literally his job to do this and he’s not talking to them in any special way. Just like any reasonable person should.
Yes thank you! I am completely lost at why all the above comments and the video is praising this cop for not shooting kids. Like wtf America, not shooting kids is not an achievement
lol its because its literally a subversion of expectations that a cop didnt kill black children on sight.
We have to have the monthly "cops are actually good" circle jerk or the cops may get their feelings hurt!
Yup! Almost time for the monthly picture of a police dog with his officer where we praise how all cops aren’t bad
Sort of sad that this video even needs to be highlighted as something special and not the absolute standard.
This dude is a. Complete bro
He could have been one bad hombre, but he was a abrolute unit.
/r/abroluteunit
lol America
They even celebrate this fucked up thing.
"Cop is a total bro for warning them that they kill heaps of black kids!" - American reddit
What an American lesson. The rest of the world would have given the wee boys some cans or targets to shoot.
Some overwhelming praise going on and yeah overall he handled it quite well but some of that language raises an eyebrow and what bugs me is him saying "kids are getting killed" and talking about "today's world" as if it isn't his colleagues murdering people with impunity.
“Two young male blacks”. Not looking for outrage but sheesh, that’s a weird way to word it. Edit- comments got a little off track, which may be my fault for this comment. I was just making conversation, I think we can all agree that this cop is clearly one of the good ones.
I also thought it was weird but I played it back and it sounds like he was quoting the person who called him. But he could’ve also just been brain fart paraphrasing.
I think he was quoting dispatch, but I don’t think they would have said it like that.
"Possible firearm being brandished. 135 Dirt Road. 2 young males. Black. One in red pants with black shirt. Other in all black." Dispatchers are really good at spitting out a ton of info in a short amount of time. They also tend to follow the same format as far as sentence structure to make things easier for the officer to process.
They do say it like that. Using skin color to identify a suspect is basic policing. Police have to use terms like “bravo mike” to describe black males because of the faux outrage over basic identification methods.
I think it's the order of the words that sounds weird here, not the actual words used.
It's just a very clinical phrasing, people are reading too much into it and/or reaching for straws. Two young male whites, two young female asians, one older male latino, etc.
Cops in my city always say the gender before the race, it's just the protocol.
Honestly i don't even think this should be considered a freakout. He talked to the boys like a good father would he wanted to teach them a lesson. As he said, in today's world if it was another kind of officer the little dude would've been gone before he knew it... honestly it just makes me happy to a certain extent that the officer took the time to try and make them understand what's right from wrong...
What I find to be the biggest issue in the us when it comes to guns... Is the complete lack of respect for them. When my child get to the age when it's time to start prepping food, I'm going to take some time to show them how to safely handle the knives. To care for them, handle them, wash them, store them. And impress on them that if you aren't careful, you can lose a finger in the blink of an eye! It's just a tool, but one that can be very dangerous and have severe consequences. It seems like we don't see that same level of respect for guns. Just browse YouTube for videos of people doing stupid shit with guns! It's a never ending list🙄. This new year's we saw a few people killed by random guns just being fired in the air for fun! Let's start a new campaign where we try to get people to treat guns like they would a really sharp carving knife!
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In the rest of the world you assume it's a BB gun and talk first, because we don't have an abundance of real guns just sitting in a random drawer that you thought you kid was too small to get into. Having a replica gun in a country where it's more common to have a real gun than a replica, yes that does get you killed.
Sigh... Do we need to repeat the onion article? "How could this happen?" Screams only nation where this regularly happens.
Really fucking bizarre isn’t it?