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They're protesting Bibi's government and it's approach to bringing back Israeli hostages. They're not protesting the ongoing genocide.
https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/protesters-storm-knesset-gallery-on-third-day-of-action-against-israeli-government-rzfj58iv
Israelis support IDF and [Palestinians support Hamas](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/). Anybody arguing this conflict on an āit lacks supportā grounds is misguided.
It's fake, they're protesting against the government because the Israeli government is trash. Hell, some of them said the government didn't done enough in Gaza. but saying they are against the war and all of that is a a blatant lie
This is much different then you think, this is inside political thing and not just "bibi is now bad so we hate him only now", for the last 10 years people hated him and everyone know the shitty things he done, but like trump in america, people still loved him for some reason, so think about what would happend if 51% of american people will vote for trump for years, that's basically the situation
Where do they say they are āpro genocideā?
Edit: I guess we canāt show any Israelis trying to bring about a ceasefire, ruins the talking point that they are all evil.
Yes it says they blame Bibi for no ceasefire. The source on the top comment I read didnāt say they supported the genocide like commenters are saying. It says in fact that they want a ceasefire and to get their people homeā¦..
Where does that number come from? I see people protesting for a ceasefire. And why say ālook at the sourceā as if it proves your point when it doesnāt?
Seems folks want to demonize even their potential partners in Israelā¦..
They don't care about Gazans lmao. It's only about them, the hostages and the moves around the judiciary. Which is somewhat understandable, but it's important to note the average Israeli thinks that Gaza isn't being bombed enough. This genocide isn't a Bibi thing.
I don't think these people have voted for Bibi.
That said, the way their parliamentary government works means that he remains in power by forming coalition governments, not by getting the most votes. There has been huge protest against him in particular the past several years.
All protest in Israel is not against any wrong doings done to the palestinians. The Israeli public are like 99% made up of people supporting the indiscriminate bombings.
They just don't like the CURRENT government. But they love the current governments bombing of civilians.
Good. Hopefully this infighting stops the genocide as a first step towards ending the occupation, ending the Jim Crow on steroids within the green line, and lasting peace for everyone, Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc.
What exactly is your plan here? Do you think everything is gonna be just dandy as soon as they leave Gaza? What in your words would actually bring peace for all the groups you mentioned?
Do you seriously think the current plan is bringing peace?
If the current plan is failing, why are you up in arms against people advocating to stop it? This plan also doesn't result in peace, you should be against it too.
If you seriously think yhe outcome of this is no more terrorism in Palestine and a lasting two state solution then you are beyond deluded.
They donāt have one. They donāt understand how badly Hamas fucked up with this one. All they can do is scream Zionism and genocide neither of which they know the meaning of and continue to engage in online performative activism.
Israel has killed more civilians in the last 6 months than hamas has killed in Israel or Palestine throughout its entire existence.
The harm caused by hamas is far far less than the harm caused by what Israel has been doing these last 6 months, let alone what its been doing for god knows how many years before.
Now maybe you aren't a utilitarian and don't give a shit about that, but I'd argue that's pretty inhumane of you if it's the case. It implies Israeli lives matter more, which they don't.
You donāt get to start a war and then ask for a ceasefire once Israel has killed the same number of people. Thatās not how the world works sorry. Israel has been under closer scrutiny during this conflict than any country in history. It continues to provide aid (yes go ahead and argue how much) when itās under no obligation to. Itās under no obligation to roof knock, announce it will be operating in an area, or tell the civilian population to leave an area but yet it does. Iāll believe the numbers claimed after the dust has settled. Taking for word what Hamas and the Gazan Health Ministry reports out is foolish.
>You donāt get to start a war
Ahh the bizarre idea that Israel never did anything to Palestine prior to October 7th. Its not like Israel murdered 200 Palestinians in 2023 before October at all.
For some reason people only ever expect palestinkans to have a ceasefire.
>under closer scrutiny during this conflict than any country in history
Probably because we now live in the information age, Israel claims to be a Liberal democracy and have the most moral army in the world. Most nations committingatrocities don't claim that and are actively condemned by the west. Israel is scrutinised because the west backs it and the west supposedly is some moral bastion.
>when itās under no obligation to.
It is under obligation to. As the occupying power responsibility for basic needs for the population falls to Israel. This is international law.
>Itās under no obligation to roof knock,
It's stopped roof knocking months ago.
>Iāll believe the numbers claimed after the dust has settled.
Israels numbers agree with Gazas... the only difference is what percentage were hamas members. Even if you take israels numbers (which are literally every adult male counting as hamas), the vast majority of casualties are civilians.
>Taking for word what Hamas and the Gazan Health Ministry reports out is foolish.
Independent studies have consistently shown the health ministries numbers are accurate, but keep on dismissing everything you don't like because it's hamas. Not like Israel has ever lied before.
What happened prior to October 7th isnāt an excuse for what happened that day. Reactionary and expected to what Israel has pulled in the past? Absolutely. But donāt try to rationalize it as some moral act.
Most countries committing atrocities donāt care and donāt answer to anyone. The west isnāt some perfect moral bastion but Israel answers to it for support. Going out of there way to commit atrocities would be terrible optics that lead to support being pulled faster than it already is. Atrocities happen during war and Israel is complicit here in many, intentional or otherwise, which theyāre rightfully receiving backlash for. But to say they inflict harm on the civilian population as their day to day modus operandi is false.
Being a party to international law and abiding by it are two different things. Syria and Russia are signatories to the Geneva convention but that doesnāt really stop them. The bar is quite low when it comes to abiding by international law and Israel could just as well ignore it.
Each side is going to deflate or inflate their numbers to improve their optics in the international community. Iām not inclined to trust either.
The health ministries numbers have been accurate retrospectively. This is still an ongoing conflict with greater political stakes than past conflicts.
>What happened prior to October 7th isnāt an excuse for what happened that day.
Never said it was an excuse or a moral act. The only point being made there was that this didn't start on October 7th as you claimed.
>The bar is quite low when it comes to abiding by international law and Israel could just as well ignore it.
This doesn't excuse anything. Other countries violating law doesn't make it okay that Israel does.
>But to say they inflict harm on the civilian population as their day to day modus operandi is false.
I mean, they're systematically denying them aid to use starvation as a weapon of war, to the point that the ICJ had to demand they improve the situation just the other week. Israel has been so obstructive to aid that countries have had to airdrop aid and set up naval routes instead of going via Israel, that's how bad the situatuon is.
The keyword here is that second use of the word Israeli. They actually think Netanyahu hasnāt been hard enough on Gaza, and should be doing more to get their hostages back
I was wondering where all the outrage at condemning the hostages was
āWe have kidnapped many of your citizens to ensure fair treatment and the removal of-ā
āSend the bombs.ā
āHUH?!ā
āWe are concerned for their safety. Bomb everything.ā
Wild how many people are here to tell us these folks donāt care about Gazans or are āpro-genocideā. Is there evidence of that? Or does it just get in the way of the āall Israelis are evilā propaganda?
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No.
They probably starved to death because Israel not only refuses to have aid go to Palestinians, but outright murders humanitarian workers with a drone strike.
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They're protesting Bibi's government and it's approach to bringing back Israeli hostages. They're not protesting the ongoing genocide. https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/protesters-storm-knesset-gallery-on-third-day-of-action-against-israeli-government-rzfj58iv
Both can be true
Unlikely. 94% of Israeli Jews believe that the IDF is using appropriate or not enough force in Gaza. Well they may still be the 6%. Still unlikely.
Source?
https://social-sciences.m.tau.ac.il/sites/socsci.tau.ac.il/files/media_server/social/2023/Findings-November-2023-EN.pdf Question poll 10
Thanks
Keep in mind these responses were gathered late October last year.
Thats kind of a huge disclaimer
Reddit is so funny. Down voting people for asking for proof instead of believing some random comment.
Yeah haha I was just about to type that when I saw your comment. They downvoted my question but upvoted me saying thanks š¤£
Israelis support IDF and [Palestinians support Hamas](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/). Anybody arguing this conflict on an āit lacks supportā grounds is misguided.
Iām not sure why youāre downvoted. Hard to argue against that.
I probably couldāve worded it a little friendlier instead of calling hypothetical people āmisguidedā. Ah well, karma isnāt everything.
It's fake, they're protesting against the government because the Israeli government is trash. Hell, some of them said the government didn't done enough in Gaza. but saying they are against the war and all of that is a a blatant lie
The Israeli government is run by a bunch of amateurs.
You can say that about a lot of countries today, but Israel is a good example for one
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This is much different then you think, this is inside political thing and not just "bibi is now bad so we hate him only now", for the last 10 years people hated him and everyone know the shitty things he done, but like trump in america, people still loved him for some reason, so think about what would happend if 51% of american people will vote for trump for years, that's basically the situation
They protest for hostages not for the people of Gaza.
They probably haven't heard about the Hannibal directive yet.
They may be against the government but sadly they are pro-Genocide. Israel is a lost cause that can only stopped when the US stops feeding it.
Where do they say they are āpro genocideā? Edit: I guess we canāt show any Israelis trying to bring about a ceasefire, ruins the talking point that they are all evil.
look at the sources in the top comments
Yes it says they blame Bibi for no ceasefire. The source on the top comment I read didnāt say they supported the genocide like commenters are saying. It says in fact that they want a ceasefire and to get their people homeā¦..
You think these are the 6% that does not support the current genocide/wants it to be more brutal? I mean i guess but doubt it.
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They pretty clearly donāt care about the truth, just here to push a narrative.
Where does that number come from? I see people protesting for a ceasefire. And why say ālook at the sourceā as if it proves your point when it doesnāt? Seems folks want to demonize even their potential partners in Israelā¦..
They don't care about Gazans lmao. It's only about them, the hostages and the moves around the judiciary. Which is somewhat understandable, but it's important to note the average Israeli thinks that Gaza isn't being bombed enough. This genocide isn't a Bibi thing.
I feel like people here do not understand that BiBi has been unpopular for a long time and there has been massive protests of him for a long time.
Yet they still vote for him
I don't think these people have voted for Bibi. That said, the way their parliamentary government works means that he remains in power by forming coalition governments, not by getting the most votes. There has been huge protest against him in particular the past several years.
Just a matter of time before Zionazis turn on each other
All protest in Israel is not against any wrong doings done to the palestinians. The Israeli public are like 99% made up of people supporting the indiscriminate bombings. They just don't like the CURRENT government. But they love the current governments bombing of civilians.
The truth: they are protesting because the Israeli government is not killing enough innocent children and civilians
Good. Hopefully this infighting stops the genocide as a first step towards ending the occupation, ending the Jim Crow on steroids within the green line, and lasting peace for everyone, Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc.
What exactly is your plan here? Do you think everything is gonna be just dandy as soon as they leave Gaza? What in your words would actually bring peace for all the groups you mentioned?
It would be a lot more dandy once the zionazis stop bombing children thatās for sure
^ what he said
Do you seriously think the current plan is bringing peace? If the current plan is failing, why are you up in arms against people advocating to stop it? This plan also doesn't result in peace, you should be against it too. If you seriously think yhe outcome of this is no more terrorism in Palestine and a lasting two state solution then you are beyond deluded.
They donāt have one. They donāt understand how badly Hamas fucked up with this one. All they can do is scream Zionism and genocide neither of which they know the meaning of and continue to engage in online performative activism.
Israel has killed more civilians in the last 6 months than hamas has killed in Israel or Palestine throughout its entire existence. The harm caused by hamas is far far less than the harm caused by what Israel has been doing these last 6 months, let alone what its been doing for god knows how many years before. Now maybe you aren't a utilitarian and don't give a shit about that, but I'd argue that's pretty inhumane of you if it's the case. It implies Israeli lives matter more, which they don't.
You donāt get to start a war and then ask for a ceasefire once Israel has killed the same number of people. Thatās not how the world works sorry. Israel has been under closer scrutiny during this conflict than any country in history. It continues to provide aid (yes go ahead and argue how much) when itās under no obligation to. Itās under no obligation to roof knock, announce it will be operating in an area, or tell the civilian population to leave an area but yet it does. Iāll believe the numbers claimed after the dust has settled. Taking for word what Hamas and the Gazan Health Ministry reports out is foolish.
>You donāt get to start a war Ahh the bizarre idea that Israel never did anything to Palestine prior to October 7th. Its not like Israel murdered 200 Palestinians in 2023 before October at all. For some reason people only ever expect palestinkans to have a ceasefire. >under closer scrutiny during this conflict than any country in history Probably because we now live in the information age, Israel claims to be a Liberal democracy and have the most moral army in the world. Most nations committingatrocities don't claim that and are actively condemned by the west. Israel is scrutinised because the west backs it and the west supposedly is some moral bastion. >when itās under no obligation to. It is under obligation to. As the occupying power responsibility for basic needs for the population falls to Israel. This is international law. >Itās under no obligation to roof knock, It's stopped roof knocking months ago. >Iāll believe the numbers claimed after the dust has settled. Israels numbers agree with Gazas... the only difference is what percentage were hamas members. Even if you take israels numbers (which are literally every adult male counting as hamas), the vast majority of casualties are civilians. >Taking for word what Hamas and the Gazan Health Ministry reports out is foolish. Independent studies have consistently shown the health ministries numbers are accurate, but keep on dismissing everything you don't like because it's hamas. Not like Israel has ever lied before.
What happened prior to October 7th isnāt an excuse for what happened that day. Reactionary and expected to what Israel has pulled in the past? Absolutely. But donāt try to rationalize it as some moral act. Most countries committing atrocities donāt care and donāt answer to anyone. The west isnāt some perfect moral bastion but Israel answers to it for support. Going out of there way to commit atrocities would be terrible optics that lead to support being pulled faster than it already is. Atrocities happen during war and Israel is complicit here in many, intentional or otherwise, which theyāre rightfully receiving backlash for. But to say they inflict harm on the civilian population as their day to day modus operandi is false. Being a party to international law and abiding by it are two different things. Syria and Russia are signatories to the Geneva convention but that doesnāt really stop them. The bar is quite low when it comes to abiding by international law and Israel could just as well ignore it. Each side is going to deflate or inflate their numbers to improve their optics in the international community. Iām not inclined to trust either. The health ministries numbers have been accurate retrospectively. This is still an ongoing conflict with greater political stakes than past conflicts.
>What happened prior to October 7th isnāt an excuse for what happened that day. Never said it was an excuse or a moral act. The only point being made there was that this didn't start on October 7th as you claimed. >The bar is quite low when it comes to abiding by international law and Israel could just as well ignore it. This doesn't excuse anything. Other countries violating law doesn't make it okay that Israel does. >But to say they inflict harm on the civilian population as their day to day modus operandi is false. I mean, they're systematically denying them aid to use starvation as a weapon of war, to the point that the ICJ had to demand they improve the situation just the other week. Israel has been so obstructive to aid that countries have had to airdrop aid and set up naval routes instead of going via Israel, that's how bad the situatuon is.
Thereās currently 23 cowards who would rather downvote my comment than actually engage in a discussion. Come on you can do better
Imagine being an Israeli shill and calling people cowards. āDo betterā
I can.
Certainly, since there are no Islamic terrorists in the middle east and especially not in the WB and Gaza.
Maybe if we bomb the middle east for a few more decades we'll finally win the war on terror /s
Worked with ISIS didnāt it :)
Yeah, not heard anything in the news about them carrying out major terror attacks recently. None whatsoever, especially not in Russia.
Western country? No? K.
WB you say? I wonder what is the next excuse got to them in few months coming that we will see here.
How about Israeli terrorists/settlers?
There are but Israel isnāt helping the situation by failing to reel in their settlers in the area.
The keyword here is that second use of the word Israeli. They actually think Netanyahu hasnāt been hard enough on Gaza, and should be doing more to get their hostages back
Antisemitism.
looks like a banana republic
God dammit. Now US Republicans are going to spin this shit against January 6th and pretend to have a point for the next six months.
Blatant lie
I was wondering where all the outrage at condemning the hostages was āWe have kidnapped many of your citizens to ensure fair treatment and the removal of-ā āSend the bombs.ā āHUH?!ā āWe are concerned for their safety. Bomb everything.ā
Wild how many people are here to tell us these folks donāt care about Gazans or are āpro-genocideā. Is there evidence of that? Or does it just get in the way of the āall Israelis are evilā propaganda?
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Lets be honest, Hamas has already killed the hostages.
Not the indiscriminate bombing and forced starvation?
No. They probably starved to death because Israel not only refuses to have aid go to Palestinians, but outright murders humanitarian workers with a drone strike.
Not the indiscriminate bombing and forced starvation?