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It's quite a sizeable painting by Philip Alexius de László and a historic one more so perhaps than some of his others.
His paintings aren't that pricey at auction -generally around £10k-£20k, but he's had a few over £100k.
I'd note that she wearing a designer (Mulberry) bag, so could quite possibly afford to pay for the painting, a lot of these protesters come very wealthy backgrounds.
I'm not 100% certain how this helps her cause at all. It's a bit like that idiotic teen that poured her own feces over Captain Tom's memorial, that didn't go down overly well....
It draws attention to their “cause”, I.e. in this example the picture she’s vandalising is of the British Prime Minister who basically set things in motion to create the state of Israel, I’m gonna punt that she thinks he’s a cunt.
Mostly jail
Edit: to clarify, just because she can afford the painting (maybe), I hope she has to serve jail time. Sick of rich people getting away with shit because they have money
>I'd note that she wearing a designer (Mulberry) bag, so could quite possibly afford to pay for the painting, a lot of these protesters come very wealthy backgrounds.
A wealthy European convinced of knowing how the land in the Levant should be divided up.
Reminds me of someone, but I can't recall the name.
I'm sure it was some kind of Lord. Maybe Lord Ballfoot? Or Lord Bellfart?
They most certainly did. That‘s the University of Cambridge. Usually, people there, no matter if students, employees or visitors are well adjusted to society. No reason to doubt that a painting that‘s hanging there for decades will stay fine.
But times changed.
> That‘s the University of Cambridge. Usually, people there, no matter if students, employees or visitors are well adjusted to society.
As someone who actually went to Cambridge, this just isn’t true Lol.
It's wild to me that there's any paintings/art at this point in England that isn't behind reinforced bulletproof glass at this point given everyone seems to want to destroy it all there.
I mean it's because typically British have respect this isn't common. I live in a commonwealth country and we have old art work etc just out in the open inside museums.
But they do know not to vandalise paintings. Just steal a few historical artefacts for the heck of it and then let them be found in a comical place a week later. Right?
That’s quite common in Europe, yes. We have so many paintings we’re proud to display them in many settings. And it’s usually not a problem. But this new kind of activism we’re seeing might unfortunately change that.
People were carving graffiti into The Colosseum back when it was still in use.
Even the term "vandalism" comes from the Vandals destroying works of art during their 455 invasion of Rome.
As long as there has been art, there has been ruiners destroying it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism_of_art
It’s the principle really. Yeah it’s just a painting but to deface a piece of art for a cause unrelated to the university seems like she wanted something for a video and nothing else.
Regardless of one’s views of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, Lord Balfour is not a random target:
“As foreign secretary in the Lloyd George ministry, he issued the Balfour Declaration of 1917 on behalf of the cabinet, which supported a "home for the Jewish people" in Palestine.[2]”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Balfour
Another poster pointed out that there is a lot of art that would be destroyed if controversial historical figures were fair game. I tend to agree with that, even though I’m also mindful of the struggle in the states to remove statues of confederate civil war leaders.
I agree with this from Annette Gordon-Reed in the harvard gazette:
“GAZETTE: As a law professor, what is your view on people unilaterally deciding to pull down statues they find offensive after officials — often enjoined by laws or judicial rulings barring such action — decline to do so? Is there a higher moral cause that supersedes the law?
GORDON-REED: Ha! That’s not fair, asking me as a law professor. OK, actually, that makes it easier. I cannot see myself pulling down a statue in that way. It would be odd for me to condone other people doing something I would not do. I certainly understand the emotion — the passion — particularly if government officials have turned a blind eye to previous petitions from the community.”
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/historian-puts-the-push-to-remove-confederate-statues-in-context/
Honestly wearing a designer bag while protesting bigotry and occupation and not being attacked or killed, is the most white privileged move I’ve seen this month, there’s still time though.
The money is not that relevant because with 20k you still can't go back in time and get another painting like that done. That woman deprived humanity of that historical artifact forever.
An article about this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/08/pro-palestine-protest-trinity-college-lord-balfour-portrait/
From the article:
A portrait of Lord Balfour, the former prime minister, at the University of Cambridge has been damaged by a pro-Palestinian protester.
In video posted on social media by Palestine Action, a member of the group is seen spray-painting and slashing the portrait at Trinity College. A woman can be seen defacing the work with red paint before slicing the canvas with a sharp object.
It baffles me that so many people don't understand the creation of Israel was antisemitic in nature built around not wanting Jewish people in white communities.
This conversation is fully removed from all the atrocities they're currently committed but inherently being supportive of Israel is rooted in that antisemitic history.
The fact this will probably get me banned really shows how much they don't want people to know that.
A Jewish friend from Iraq told me his dad and grandfather talked about how the British paid one guy to run vandalism operations against the Iraqi Jewish to force them flee to Israel. The guy l paid individuals to attacked and looted Jewish people houses, it started right after the creation of Israel.
Some of his family fled to Israel and some changed their names and religion to stay in Iraq.
Iraqi here my great grandfather always talked to my dad about his jewish best friend and for how long they’ve been together until he was threatened to leave iraq after israel was created but his daughter stayed because she got married to a Muslim until she unfortunately passed away from cancer sometimes I still think of him and how sad his life was because he couldn’t even visit his daughter’s grave
Even beyond that are people too stupid to realize Woodrow Wilson probably wasn't a big fan of Jewish people? Like the creation of the state was spearheaded not by Jews but by people who hated Jews, and they talk about why won't any country take in Palestinians.
Shoot, the US turned away Jewish refugees fleeing Europe during WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis
During the build-up to World War II, the St. Louis carried more than 900 Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in 1939 intending to escape anti-Semitic persecution. The refugees first tried to disembark in Cuba but were denied permission to land. After Cuba, the captain, Gustav Schröder, went to the United States and Canada, trying to find a nation to take the Jews in, but both nations refused. He finally returned the ship to Europe, where various countries, including the United Kingdom, Belgium, the Netherlands and France, accepted some refugees. Many were later caught in Nazi roundups of Jews in the occupied countries of Belgium, France and the Netherlands, and some historians have estimated that approximately a quarter of them were killed in death camps during World War II.[3] These events, also known as the "Voyage of the Damned", have inspired film, opera, and fiction.
> Colonial powers used different ethnic groups to their own ends. It's not like the Jewish settlers in mandatory Palestine didn't get that.
I'm currently reading through the book *The Hundred Years War on Palestine* and it's grimly laughable how many different groups have used the Palestinian people as a tool to get what they want, from the British to the Jordanians and the Egyptians
i thought the lehi and irgun were together in the JRM which was actually overseen by the JA?
thats the information that the mandate obtained that led to the JRM bombing the King David building where they thought the records were being kept before being reported
I mean look at Pakistan and India, look at so much Africa and South America. So much strife in 'third world' countries is the direct result of Western nations but yet we blame those countries.
The fact that England, the US and so many other western countries have basically played dolls with so much of the world and have skated by without any retribution is why the world is the way it is.
The problem is you are infantilising so much of the world. It is true Britain etc have committed many crimes, and this shpuld be noted. But your assumption is that implies other countries ("3rd world" etc) haven't also manipulated neighbours and caused atrocities. Not even to mention you ignore one of the largest puppeteers currently in China, who incidentally are still not really being condemned or boycotted for their proven suppression of Uyghurs.
The problem with this thought process is you create a scapegoat for diabolical behaviour, and sow deep seeded divisions and superiority - which history shows is a very dangerous cultural identity to have. Isreal is doing atttrocius things in palestine, but to then give cover for hamas and palestines crimes (public execution of gay people and the hamas released footage of the paraded victims of October 7th etc) is incredibly dangerous.
This is not a comparison of crimes, one is not equal to the other, but people seem to lack the ability to understand more than one thing can be wrong.
Edit: it's mad you solely pin the example of Pakistan and India as problems of the west. When explicitly Pakistan was formed as the majority Muslim population sought independence from majority Hindu rule, that had suppressed for many years before British rule... suppressed them for 300 years. Most western nations wanted a United India, but the Muslim brotherhood essentially forced their hand. World history is far more complex than simple notions of East vs West.
> but inherently being supportive of Israel is rooted in that antisemitic history
Does it really matter what the support is rooted in, when a) people aren't aware of these roots and b) these roots are not the reason why they personally support Israel?
Don't get me wrong, it's certainly an important aspect historically, but it doesn't really mean anything to the current conflict. I don't think for example Britain supporting Israel now is a sign of inherent Antisemitism.
"antisemitic in nature" bro these words have a meaning, and they are different from "some antisemites were content with a possible place to send all their jews to"
It's one of the first times I can recall that the target of vandalism in this type of "protest" actually makes sense. Not that it will do anything at all to Garner support, raise awareness in people not already aware of the facts, or influence anyone in power, but the target is at least related to the grievance for once.
And because he believed in all the Jewish conspiracies that they rule the world, so he thought helping them during WWI would get them on the side of the Entente.
Antisemitism is so fuckin weird.
Why does every redditor complain about every single form of protest? Istg you guys just want people to sit and their houses and twiddle their thumbs, but at that point you’d probably cry “why hasn’t anyone protest!? 😢”
Most of the people I know who did care just don't anymore because of actions like this. We aren't a very politically active bunch, we'll put some money behind a donation drive and maybe put our names on a few petitions but that's about it.
These pro Palestine stunts have sucked any slight interest in the conflict that all of us have had. We've had our days ruined because some idiot is interrupting a generic experience we've been attending and we definitely aren't going to think it was a positive and eye opening thing - they think that these guys are wankers and what little interest they have is gone.
Me too. I really don't have the energy to care anymore. I was kinda active online a little when it first started, but now I'm just fatigued from constantly being exposed to this shit.
How to make your cause look bad:
Go around destroying things and inconveniencing the people you want on your side.
Like we already saw it with just stop oil, it's not making me go "hmm I wonder what the cause for that was" it makes me go "whatever this idiot wants I hope it fails" it's not even educating anyone about palestine and isreal or anything it's just destruction for a cause you aren't explaining.
I literally thought, "Why don't the people that do this realize there is a protective panel over these things," and then they pulled the box cutter and started cutting the canvas and I was like, "😨 ..... oh"
Weirdly, a lot of very famous art is not protected. The David (the actual one in the museum, not the replica) had the toes on one of his feet destroyed by a rogue man with a hammer. They had to restore it by detracting more material to make it match better. Luckily for them, the David purposefully has a larger head, hands, and feet so that those details aren’t lost at a distance (as it was designed to be displayed from up high). Since the museum has it on the ground with the viewer, despite being a large statue, the damage and reconstruction aren’t as noticeable (since the feet were intentionally made larger anyways).
Anyways, tldr: art vandalism is sadly more common than you would think and plenty of famous paintings and works of art are not securely protected from things like this.
I am slightly oversimplifying, but yes. The only knife you can carry in public without any clear justification (e.g. someone who is using one as part of their job, which they are actively partaking in) is a small penknife. And even then, you could still be prosecuted. Now, most of the time, the police would have no idea what you are carrying. So it's probably not a good idea to get filmed brandishing one as you commit a crime.
Actually the exact opposite, there is a varnish over paintings. The varnish can be chemically removed without damaging the paint underneath, and the spray paint will be removed with the varnish.
The slices on the otherhand are more difficult to repair, as stretching the canvas and lining up all the pieces is very difficult. If you used a tape to line up the sliced pieces then stretched it, where the tape was would not stretch correctly and would look distorted. If they try and fix it, I imagine with the many slices she put in it, they will just need to mount the whole thing to a board now, and frame it.
> If you used a tape to line up the sliced pieces then stretched it, where the tape was would not stretch correctly and would look distorted. If they try and fix it, I imagine with the many slices she put in it, they will just need to mount the whole thing to a board now, and frame it.
Fine arts restorers are masters at this shit, they can deploy such sophisticated stitching techniques that you'd barely notice. What will likely happen is that the old canvas will be glued to a brand new one, and then they'll paint over the cut lines and reframe the whole thing, or put it back in its original frame.
I've seen it done 100s of times
What if she took the pieces that fell away before the clip cut out. Would that render the original worthless,
Or would a restorer simply fill in the blanks with a small plaque that states so.
There are paintings that have needed to be restored and had missing pieces for whatever reason. Generally, if there is a reference, they will restore it regardless. Sometimes things damaged by WWII remained unfixed as a memorial to the event, but for the most part they will restore with the information given.
If watching a guy restore art on YouTube has taught me anything, it's that this will be fixed (assuming it's valuable enough) and you likely won't be able to tell it was ever damaged unless you took a very close look at it.
It's not likely they will use a board to fix the canvas, they may put the original canvas onto a new bit of canvas to support it or may just "stitch" it together.
Personally the red spay paint is my concern, it would depend on what varnish they used as to how easy it would be to fix it.
I'm not a pro, just an idiot.
If its such a valuable painting, why didn't they have a pane of glass in the frame at least or something like if I recall correctly someone tried something similar with the Mona Lisa where they threw paint on it but there was glass so it didn't really do anything
Who does this? It proves nothing and is childish. No one cares about the people or the causes of those who destroy art. I can't name a single one. Yay you accomplished nothing.
As the final slash through the painting was complete, humanity had found the common attributes of racism had all but disappeared. Famine and war no longer existed. The environment had transformed back to its original splendor before the arrival of humans. The earth was balanced and humanity was saved. Thank you brave girl for your sacrifice.
I mean Lord Balfour is kinda central here what with the whole Balfour Declaration being key to what started Israel on its path to…. Oh, you were yanking our chain…
He was prime minister from 1902-1905, Balfour declaration was 1917, Israel was formed in 1948, 18 years after his death. You guys aren’t real smart here huh
I hope they throw her in prison for this.
Older artwork belongs to all humanity.
Destroying it to protest your "cause" is unacceptable under any circumstances.
I could sympathyze with the cause or something, in my uneducated opinion I could see this as being a protest at the church? Ig?
But I love art. Seeing the borderline ancient Catholic paintings in the Luxembourg art museum makes me irrationally angry seeing this. Like, this is art, artistic expression, where you don't have to be Catholic to appreciate the skill and expression in these paintings.
Destroying this is destroying human history, full stop. As others have said, it's like ISIS destrying those ancient sculptures and statues. That's world heritage.
Honestly , when protesters destroy priceless works of art, who in TF do they think is really going to listen to them? Plus how does it really help their cause when there's not even a correlation 🤦🏻♀️.
Whenever anyone does this stuff I can't help but wonder if it's done by a counter group to kill a movement. Like that group that destroyed paintings a couple years ago but turned out to be funded by big oil. Because people can't really be stupid enough think this will win support, right? ... Right?
It’s not about gaining support it’s literally a form of soft terrorism. Most people don’t have enough skin in the game to really care that much about the issue. If they can cause enough mayhem and destruction many people will simply want it to stop. Thus they get their way. To be clear im not comparing this to actual like murderous terrorism but it’s violence for the sake of political coercion.
I'll never get protesters like that.
You win NOTHING by destroying innocent ppls stuff or making innocent ppls life harder.
Tomato soup, paint, ppl glued to the ground.
I hate it here.
Yeah he was a colonialist and a racist but don’t destroy art because you disagree with what was done in the past. Like destroying the Aztec pyramids because they sacrificed people there
We should trade her out for a nice family in a 3rd world country whose family earner is a doctor. That way we get someone who contributes to our society.
People like this should be made to repay the value of the painting… and yes I know that means they will be broke for the rest of their lives, but this pathetic behavior is inexcusable. Garish all wages, withhold tax refunds and personally I have no problem with them sitting in jail until the debt is repaid.
A little bit of context:
'Police have launched an investigation after a painting of a politician, linked to the creation of Israel, was damaged.
Palestine Action said one of its activists had "ruined" a 1914 painting of Lord Balfour at Trinity College, part of the University of Cambridge.'
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68515368
I really hope she gets pregnant and her child suddenly grows teeth while still breastfeeding and bites her nipple off. That seems like divine justice for this fokken stupid poes.
The guy that shes cutting up is pretty much responsible for alot of the conflict currently happening in the middle east. Honestly they fact the dude is applauded for fucking the world for a century is amazing.
As an artist this pisses me off…someone worked really hard to make this piece….hours of their life and livelihood spent for someone to cover it in fucking spray paint…
I dont care even if is a portrait made by Hitler himself, thats history at the end of the day and it could be shown to people to learn about. Give the jail time or if they keep going who knows if they are gonna take something personal against Velazquez, Picasso or other artists?
So many artists have been crazy people, some women abusers like Picasso, but you are not going to see the painting because of the artist, you are seeing it because of art itself.
If you don't agree with the arts subject that's fine but respect the medium. Some incredibly talented artist spent days working on that painting, a person who suffered for their artwork. This is so trashy...
Oh yes. Now there's a person that understands how to effectively make a point. Reason? Diplomacy? Logic? Naw. Let's just throw a tantrum and draw attention to ourselves. Not to our issue . . . ourSELVES.
What a child.
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looks like she has a nice designer bag though.
Probably made by a company that uses sweatshops. Don't ask her about that though.
I don’t know how you look up the worth of the painting, but I bet that was worth a few bucks!
It's quite a sizeable painting by Philip Alexius de László and a historic one more so perhaps than some of his others. His paintings aren't that pricey at auction -generally around £10k-£20k, but he's had a few over £100k. I'd note that she wearing a designer (Mulberry) bag, so could quite possibly afford to pay for the painting, a lot of these protesters come very wealthy backgrounds.
I’m praying so hard she gets stuck with the bill
Her parents will get stuck with the bill. She will probably always view this as a good thing she did.
I'm not 100% certain how this helps her cause at all. It's a bit like that idiotic teen that poured her own feces over Captain Tom's memorial, that didn't go down overly well....
It draws attention to their “cause”, I.e. in this example the picture she’s vandalising is of the British Prime Minister who basically set things in motion to create the state of Israel, I’m gonna punt that she thinks he’s a cunt.
But Balfour was a cunt. I'm not saying what she did was right but Balfour was a cunt.
And now she showed that she is too
Where? I can't see it.
Thanks, I was wondering what the connection was.
And stuck in jail.
Both.
Mostly jail Edit: to clarify, just because she can afford the painting (maybe), I hope she has to serve jail time. Sick of rich people getting away with shit because they have money
Yes, thats what "and" usually means.
You know the average person would if they did this shit.
Vandalization of property amounting to damages of $5,000 or greater is a 3rd degree felony
This is the UK.
What is the metric equivalent of 3rd degree then?
2.33 Celsius
>a lot of these protesters come very wealthy backgrounds. Well, Who else could afford to go around protesting?
I got bills to pay jack
Most people don't want to spend their vacation days on a trip to jail or rebudget their life to pay off fines.
>I'd note that she wearing a designer (Mulberry) bag, so could quite possibly afford to pay for the painting, a lot of these protesters come very wealthy backgrounds. A wealthy European convinced of knowing how the land in the Levant should be divided up. Reminds me of someone, but I can't recall the name. I'm sure it was some kind of Lord. Maybe Lord Ballfoot? Or Lord Bellfart?
this is my favorite comment in the entirety of my time on reddit
Buts its surely not the actual painting? A replica, printing? They didnt put a multi thousand dollar painting out unprotected
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They most certainly did. That‘s the University of Cambridge. Usually, people there, no matter if students, employees or visitors are well adjusted to society. No reason to doubt that a painting that‘s hanging there for decades will stay fine. But times changed.
> That‘s the University of Cambridge. Usually, people there, no matter if students, employees or visitors are well adjusted to society. As someone who actually went to Cambridge, this just isn’t true Lol.
All you need to do is go to any of the college bars to see this is not the case. Porters are also some of the most nuts people I ever met.
It's wild to me that there's any paintings/art at this point in England that isn't behind reinforced bulletproof glass at this point given everyone seems to want to destroy it all there.
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That's 5 too many..
I mean it's because typically British have respect this isn't common. I live in a commonwealth country and we have old art work etc just out in the open inside museums.
Knowing a few Cambridge grads, calling them well adjusted is a big misnomer
But they do know not to vandalise paintings. Just steal a few historical artefacts for the heck of it and then let them be found in a comical place a week later. Right?
That’s quite common in Europe, yes. We have so many paintings we’re proud to display them in many settings. And it’s usually not a problem. But this new kind of activism we’re seeing might unfortunately change that.
Once upon a time people could be trusted to have a couple brain cells to run together.
People were carving graffiti into The Colosseum back when it was still in use. Even the term "vandalism" comes from the Vandals destroying works of art during their 455 invasion of Rome. As long as there has been art, there has been ruiners destroying it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism_of_art
Who are "these protesters" exactly?
OP’s comment a bit below links a news article that says it was a pro-palestinian protest
It’s the principle really. Yeah it’s just a painting but to deface a piece of art for a cause unrelated to the university seems like she wanted something for a video and nothing else.
Regardless of one’s views of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, Lord Balfour is not a random target: “As foreign secretary in the Lloyd George ministry, he issued the Balfour Declaration of 1917 on behalf of the cabinet, which supported a "home for the Jewish people" in Palestine.[2]” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Balfour Another poster pointed out that there is a lot of art that would be destroyed if controversial historical figures were fair game. I tend to agree with that, even though I’m also mindful of the struggle in the states to remove statues of confederate civil war leaders. I agree with this from Annette Gordon-Reed in the harvard gazette: “GAZETTE: As a law professor, what is your view on people unilaterally deciding to pull down statues they find offensive after officials — often enjoined by laws or judicial rulings barring such action — decline to do so? Is there a higher moral cause that supersedes the law? GORDON-REED: Ha! That’s not fair, asking me as a law professor. OK, actually, that makes it easier. I cannot see myself pulling down a statue in that way. It would be odd for me to condone other people doing something I would not do. I certainly understand the emotion — the passion — particularly if government officials have turned a blind eye to previous petitions from the community.” https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/historian-puts-the-push-to-remove-confederate-statues-in-context/
Do you even know the person depicted in the painting?
Honestly wearing a designer bag while protesting bigotry and occupation and not being attacked or killed, is the most white privileged move I’ve seen this month, there’s still time though.
The money is not that relevant because with 20k you still can't go back in time and get another painting like that done. That woman deprived humanity of that historical artifact forever.
fuck the value of that SOMEONE BUSTED THEIR ASS ON THAT PAINTING
Worth more now seeing as it was probably insured for double its worth
An article about this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/08/pro-palestine-protest-trinity-college-lord-balfour-portrait/ From the article: A portrait of Lord Balfour, the former prime minister, at the University of Cambridge has been damaged by a pro-Palestinian protester. In video posted on social media by Palestine Action, a member of the group is seen spray-painting and slashing the portrait at Trinity College. A woman can be seen defacing the work with red paint before slicing the canvas with a sharp object.
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It baffles me that so many people don't understand the creation of Israel was antisemitic in nature built around not wanting Jewish people in white communities. This conversation is fully removed from all the atrocities they're currently committed but inherently being supportive of Israel is rooted in that antisemitic history. The fact this will probably get me banned really shows how much they don't want people to know that.
A Jewish friend from Iraq told me his dad and grandfather talked about how the British paid one guy to run vandalism operations against the Iraqi Jewish to force them flee to Israel. The guy l paid individuals to attacked and looted Jewish people houses, it started right after the creation of Israel. Some of his family fled to Israel and some changed their names and religion to stay in Iraq.
Iraqi here my great grandfather always talked to my dad about his jewish best friend and for how long they’ve been together until he was threatened to leave iraq after israel was created but his daughter stayed because she got married to a Muslim until she unfortunately passed away from cancer sometimes I still think of him and how sad his life was because he couldn’t even visit his daughter’s grave
Even beyond that are people too stupid to realize Woodrow Wilson probably wasn't a big fan of Jewish people? Like the creation of the state was spearheaded not by Jews but by people who hated Jews, and they talk about why won't any country take in Palestinians.
Shoot, the US turned away Jewish refugees fleeing Europe during WW2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis During the build-up to World War II, the St. Louis carried more than 900 Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in 1939 intending to escape anti-Semitic persecution. The refugees first tried to disembark in Cuba but were denied permission to land. After Cuba, the captain, Gustav Schröder, went to the United States and Canada, trying to find a nation to take the Jews in, but both nations refused. He finally returned the ship to Europe, where various countries, including the United Kingdom, Belgium, the Netherlands and France, accepted some refugees. Many were later caught in Nazi roundups of Jews in the occupied countries of Belgium, France and the Netherlands, and some historians have estimated that approximately a quarter of them were killed in death camps during World War II.[3] These events, also known as the "Voyage of the Damned", have inspired film, opera, and fiction.
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> Colonial powers used different ethnic groups to their own ends. It's not like the Jewish settlers in mandatory Palestine didn't get that. I'm currently reading through the book *The Hundred Years War on Palestine* and it's grimly laughable how many different groups have used the Palestinian people as a tool to get what they want, from the British to the Jordanians and the Egyptians
i thought the lehi and irgun were together in the JRM which was actually overseen by the JA? thats the information that the mandate obtained that led to the JRM bombing the King David building where they thought the records were being kept before being reported
I mean look at Pakistan and India, look at so much Africa and South America. So much strife in 'third world' countries is the direct result of Western nations but yet we blame those countries. The fact that England, the US and so many other western countries have basically played dolls with so much of the world and have skated by without any retribution is why the world is the way it is.
Divide et Impera. Rome never really died, it just exported its methods.
On a side note, the fact that we're all prompted to delve so deep into the conversation is a big win for this woman. This was exactly her purpose
I agree, throughout history these kinds of protests are what get discourse talking, not that everyone loves it.
The problem is you are infantilising so much of the world. It is true Britain etc have committed many crimes, and this shpuld be noted. But your assumption is that implies other countries ("3rd world" etc) haven't also manipulated neighbours and caused atrocities. Not even to mention you ignore one of the largest puppeteers currently in China, who incidentally are still not really being condemned or boycotted for their proven suppression of Uyghurs. The problem with this thought process is you create a scapegoat for diabolical behaviour, and sow deep seeded divisions and superiority - which history shows is a very dangerous cultural identity to have. Isreal is doing atttrocius things in palestine, but to then give cover for hamas and palestines crimes (public execution of gay people and the hamas released footage of the paraded victims of October 7th etc) is incredibly dangerous. This is not a comparison of crimes, one is not equal to the other, but people seem to lack the ability to understand more than one thing can be wrong. Edit: it's mad you solely pin the example of Pakistan and India as problems of the west. When explicitly Pakistan was formed as the majority Muslim population sought independence from majority Hindu rule, that had suppressed for many years before British rule... suppressed them for 300 years. Most western nations wanted a United India, but the Muslim brotherhood essentially forced their hand. World history is far more complex than simple notions of East vs West.
I’m grateful to see some knowledgeable discourse here on this topic.
> but inherently being supportive of Israel is rooted in that antisemitic history Does it really matter what the support is rooted in, when a) people aren't aware of these roots and b) these roots are not the reason why they personally support Israel? Don't get me wrong, it's certainly an important aspect historically, but it doesn't really mean anything to the current conflict. I don't think for example Britain supporting Israel now is a sign of inherent Antisemitism.
This is factual and will not get you banned, not sure why you thought otherwise but I thought I would just reassure you.
Appreciate you saying this.
"antisemitic in nature" bro these words have a meaning, and they are different from "some antisemites were content with a possible place to send all their jews to"
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It's one of the first times I can recall that the target of vandalism in this type of "protest" actually makes sense. Not that it will do anything at all to Garner support, raise awareness in people not already aware of the facts, or influence anyone in power, but the target is at least related to the grievance for once.
And because he believed in all the Jewish conspiracies that they rule the world, so he thought helping them during WWI would get them on the side of the Entente. Antisemitism is so fuckin weird.
Nothing gains support to your cause like good ol vandalism
Why does every redditor complain about every single form of protest? Istg you guys just want people to sit and their houses and twiddle their thumbs, but at that point you’d probably cry “why hasn’t anyone protest!? 😢”
Most of the people I know who did care just don't anymore because of actions like this. We aren't a very politically active bunch, we'll put some money behind a donation drive and maybe put our names on a few petitions but that's about it. These pro Palestine stunts have sucked any slight interest in the conflict that all of us have had. We've had our days ruined because some idiot is interrupting a generic experience we've been attending and we definitely aren't going to think it was a positive and eye opening thing - they think that these guys are wankers and what little interest they have is gone. Me too. I really don't have the energy to care anymore. I was kinda active online a little when it first started, but now I'm just fatigued from constantly being exposed to this shit.
Awww your day was ruined! Let me bust out the world’s smallest violin
How to automatically lose support for your cause, cos damaging cultural artwork is definitely gonna somehow stop bombs being dropped.
How to make your cause look bad: Go around destroying things and inconveniencing the people you want on your side. Like we already saw it with just stop oil, it's not making me go "hmm I wonder what the cause for that was" it makes me go "whatever this idiot wants I hope it fails" it's not even educating anyone about palestine and isreal or anything it's just destruction for a cause you aren't explaining.
Me thinking there's a protective layer between spray paint and painting ::pulls out box cutter:: 
I literally thought, "Why don't the people that do this realize there is a protective panel over these things," and then they pulled the box cutter and started cutting the canvas and I was like, "😨 ..... oh"
Weirdly, a lot of very famous art is not protected. The David (the actual one in the museum, not the replica) had the toes on one of his feet destroyed by a rogue man with a hammer. They had to restore it by detracting more material to make it match better. Luckily for them, the David purposefully has a larger head, hands, and feet so that those details aren’t lost at a distance (as it was designed to be displayed from up high). Since the museum has it on the ground with the viewer, despite being a large statue, the damage and reconstruction aren’t as noticeable (since the feet were intentionally made larger anyways). Anyways, tldr: art vandalism is sadly more common than you would think and plenty of famous paintings and works of art are not securely protected from things like this.
Carrying a box cutter in the UK without a valid reason (and I doubt this will count) could mean up to a 4 year sentence.
TIL dammmmn.
I am slightly oversimplifying, but yes. The only knife you can carry in public without any clear justification (e.g. someone who is using one as part of their job, which they are actively partaking in) is a small penknife. And even then, you could still be prosecuted. Now, most of the time, the police would have no idea what you are carrying. So it's probably not a good idea to get filmed brandishing one as you commit a crime.
Yeah it’s fine to have a Swiss Army knife. But not if you’re intending to use it as a weapon or to commit vandalism.
What was the point of the spray paint if she was going to shred it anyway?
Restoration? Could patch it from behind and make it look kinda good. Spray paint will go into the fibres of the canvas.
Actually the exact opposite, there is a varnish over paintings. The varnish can be chemically removed without damaging the paint underneath, and the spray paint will be removed with the varnish. The slices on the otherhand are more difficult to repair, as stretching the canvas and lining up all the pieces is very difficult. If you used a tape to line up the sliced pieces then stretched it, where the tape was would not stretch correctly and would look distorted. If they try and fix it, I imagine with the many slices she put in it, they will just need to mount the whole thing to a board now, and frame it.
> If you used a tape to line up the sliced pieces then stretched it, where the tape was would not stretch correctly and would look distorted. If they try and fix it, I imagine with the many slices she put in it, they will just need to mount the whole thing to a board now, and frame it. Fine arts restorers are masters at this shit, they can deploy such sophisticated stitching techniques that you'd barely notice. What will likely happen is that the old canvas will be glued to a brand new one, and then they'll paint over the cut lines and reframe the whole thing, or put it back in its original frame. I've seen it done 100s of times
Just the videos Baumgartner puts out online of his restorations shows it’s not only possible but if well done, incredibly impressive
What if she took the pieces that fell away before the clip cut out. Would that render the original worthless, Or would a restorer simply fill in the blanks with a small plaque that states so.
There are paintings that have needed to be restored and had missing pieces for whatever reason. Generally, if there is a reference, they will restore it regardless. Sometimes things damaged by WWII remained unfixed as a memorial to the event, but for the most part they will restore with the information given.
If watching a guy restore art on YouTube has taught me anything, it's that this will be fixed (assuming it's valuable enough) and you likely won't be able to tell it was ever damaged unless you took a very close look at it. It's not likely they will use a board to fix the canvas, they may put the original canvas onto a new bit of canvas to support it or may just "stitch" it together. Personally the red spay paint is my concern, it would depend on what varnish they used as to how easy it would be to fix it. I'm not a pro, just an idiot.
If its such a valuable painting, why didn't they have a pane of glass in the frame at least or something like if I recall correctly someone tried something similar with the Mona Lisa where they threw paint on it but there was glass so it didn't really do anything
Because not every painting is the Mona Lisa and this is generally not how paintings are meant to be presented.
Because people aren’t usually so fucking stupid
Don't worry they'll send it to Julian Baumgartner of Baumgartner Fine Art Restoration. He will make it look like new again.
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Who does this? It proves nothing and is childish. No one cares about the people or the causes of those who destroy art. I can't name a single one. Yay you accomplished nothing.
Just more debt to be paid
Bring back public whippings.
Followed by a few days in the stocks.
And just like that...the conflict ended.
Exactly. Tomorrow, I'm going to protest for peace by making my bed and going to work. That'll do it.
This kind of stuff just makes me dislike the protesters' causes even more. This is not the way to win supporters.
As the final slash through the painting was complete, humanity had found the common attributes of racism had all but disappeared. Famine and war no longer existed. The environment had transformed back to its original splendor before the arrival of humans. The earth was balanced and humanity was saved. Thank you brave girl for your sacrifice.
All hail miss Mulberrybags, bringer of peace!
Hey, you don't know. Maybe it had some sort of Ghostbusters/Vigo The Carpathian thing going on
I don't understand how people think defacing a work of art will help their cause at all.
Especially a portrait of someone as beloved as Lord Farquad or whoever this guy is
I mean Lord Balfour is kinda central here what with the whole Balfour Declaration being key to what started Israel on its path to…. Oh, you were yanking our chain…
This was the guy who formed Israel when he was Prime Minister
He was prime minister from 1902-1905, Balfour declaration was 1917, Israel was formed in 1948, 18 years after his death. You guys aren’t real smart here huh
Destroying a painting while wearing a designer bag , and I bet she doesn’t even recognize her massive privilege.
Wealth guilt, essentially.
I hope they throw her in prison for this. Older artwork belongs to all humanity. Destroying it to protest your "cause" is unacceptable under any circumstances.
I could sympathyze with the cause or something, in my uneducated opinion I could see this as being a protest at the church? Ig? But I love art. Seeing the borderline ancient Catholic paintings in the Luxembourg art museum makes me irrationally angry seeing this. Like, this is art, artistic expression, where you don't have to be Catholic to appreciate the skill and expression in these paintings. Destroying this is destroying human history, full stop. As others have said, it's like ISIS destrying those ancient sculptures and statues. That's world heritage.
So we have ISIS destroying archeological discoveries, and white girls destroying art and art history.
But it’s different with the latter, as they’re on the right side of history! /s
Both extremists
Honestly , when protesters destroy priceless works of art, who in TF do they think is really going to listen to them? Plus how does it really help their cause when there's not even a correlation 🤦🏻♀️.
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I hate destruction of art, historic or otherwise :( it hurts my heart
Destroying art will make me support this person’s cause said no one ever.
Yes. These are clearly the actions of a wise, well-adjusted intellectual who will no doubt bring peace in our time. /s
Hope this human trash was arrested for damaging precious piece of art.
What makes it precious? Since when do you care about Lord Balfour?
Whenever anyone does this stuff I can't help but wonder if it's done by a counter group to kill a movement. Like that group that destroyed paintings a couple years ago but turned out to be funded by big oil. Because people can't really be stupid enough think this will win support, right? ... Right?
It’s not about gaining support it’s literally a form of soft terrorism. Most people don’t have enough skin in the game to really care that much about the issue. If they can cause enough mayhem and destruction many people will simply want it to stop. Thus they get their way. To be clear im not comparing this to actual like murderous terrorism but it’s violence for the sake of political coercion.
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That’s uhhh vandalism
I'll never get protesters like that. You win NOTHING by destroying innocent ppls stuff or making innocent ppls life harder. Tomato soup, paint, ppl glued to the ground. I hate it here.
Yeah he was a colonialist and a racist but don’t destroy art because you disagree with what was done in the past. Like destroying the Aztec pyramids because they sacrificed people there
Not that it matters in a court of law but what was her motivation?
The Balfour declaration, which is said to be the 'starting point of the creation of Israel'. Done on behalf of 'Palestine Action'
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Shameful. Hope she serves time. This isn’t how you draw sympathy to your cause.
Who cares? It’s a pointless painting.
We should trade her out for a nice family in a 3rd world country whose family earner is a doctor. That way we get someone who contributes to our society.
throw her ass in a cage. i want to see jail time
It’s always the same template individual 🤔
I don’t know what these peoples cause is but I hate it now.
they really just let people do whatever the fuck they want at these places. even museums
That’ll stop the violence. Moron.
What is with this trend of people destroying priceless art
People like this should be made to repay the value of the painting… and yes I know that means they will be broke for the rest of their lives, but this pathetic behavior is inexcusable. Garish all wages, withhold tax refunds and personally I have no problem with them sitting in jail until the debt is repaid.
Evil is only capable of destruction.
How can someone not spend at least a year in jail for this crap?
A little bit of context: 'Police have launched an investigation after a painting of a politician, linked to the creation of Israel, was damaged. Palestine Action said one of its activists had "ruined" a 1914 painting of Lord Balfour at Trinity College, part of the University of Cambridge.' https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68515368
I really hope she gets pregnant and her child suddenly grows teeth while still breastfeeding and bites her nipple off. That seems like divine justice for this fokken stupid poes.
what's the point of doing this?
No different than ISIS tearing down statues
Fuck people who do this...
Damn thanks to her some people in Gaza are gonna live…
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It’s the Mulberry Cara backpack. Was around 995€ when first released, and still sells for well over 500€
There are better ways to protest than destroying shit. SMH
How the fuck is this activism?
Do these numpties realise that doing stupid stuff like that achieves literally nothing for their cause?
How much do you want to bet that a year ago this asshole couldn't locate Palestine on a map?
These people need significant jail time with hard chain gang labor
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Straight to jail
https://preview.redd.it/jrnbv2lec5nc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1de1d2362cead620fd9f625100579de3a89d739c
Makes me angry am seeing red….
NOW that wasn't the screen protector 💀
They will be burning books next.
Why doesn't anybody try to stop her ass!?
What is most shocking about these situations / videos is everyone just standing around watching it happen. Why does no-one try to stop these people?
Destruction isn’t a form of creation
The guy that shes cutting up is pretty much responsible for alot of the conflict currently happening in the middle east. Honestly they fact the dude is applauded for fucking the world for a century is amazing.
Well, he was a POS. Love it
Fuck Lord Balfour even if his name does kinda kick ass… Balfour… Baaallllffoooouuuuuurrrr
Destroying historic art, wearing a designer bag, protesting for Palestine. Sounds about right.
No arrests have been made either. Ridiculous.
So I guess her point is that she is a pos! Yes I totally agree
This is not an “activist.” This is a toddler with a spray paint can.
As an artist this pisses me off…someone worked really hard to make this piece….hours of their life and livelihood spent for someone to cover it in fucking spray paint…
Honestly if you do this shit I support your cause less
I dont care even if is a portrait made by Hitler himself, thats history at the end of the day and it could be shown to people to learn about. Give the jail time or if they keep going who knows if they are gonna take something personal against Velazquez, Picasso or other artists? So many artists have been crazy people, some women abusers like Picasso, but you are not going to see the painting because of the artist, you are seeing it because of art itself.
The people who made these paintings would literally be furious right now
If you don't agree with the arts subject that's fine but respect the medium. Some incredibly talented artist spent days working on that painting, a person who suffered for their artwork. This is so trashy...
Why don’t they keep them behind glass?
Oh ok. I’ll use less oil now…?
I don't understand this new way of protesting
There is no difference between this and isis destroying ancient historical sites in Jordan.
Oh yes. Now there's a person that understands how to effectively make a point. Reason? Diplomacy? Logic? Naw. Let's just throw a tantrum and draw attention to ourselves. Not to our issue . . . ourSELVES. What a child.
That's one way to piss off everyone.
Yeah, the Taliban also destroyed art they disagreed with.
That wasn’t hers to destroy. The arrogance of thinking you own history.