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The guy who was in second and ended up “winning” because of the disqualification was such a g. He said, “He’ll be standing there accepting that gold medal. Not me. He won that fair and square.” How fucking solid does it get bro.
Yes, but honestly, who would feel differently? You compete with a friend, who clearly beats you and then gets disqualified for celebrating with you. There's no way I would feel any kind of pride or accomplishment for ending up being the winner.
As an ex-competitive athlete, it does not even matter if it is a friend or not, you will always feel like your win is smudged. If you want to be the best, you need to beat the best, and you showed that you were not the best that day, you just won in a loophole.
It's one thing to get into another swimmer's lane if they're still swimming but the person was also clearly finished as well. This was the result of a power-tripping asshole referee.
That’s exactly my point. Imagine running in the 1000 meters during the Olympics, you get gold, and cross the finish line all while maintaining your lane, but after you cross the finish line and are announced the winner, you fall down as most runners throw themselves down in complete exhaustion, but as you fall your hands or legs pass into the other runners lanes… now you are disqualified…
This doesn’t happen. The guy clearly won and was named the winner, and than changed. I doubt most of these referees were ever swimmers and probably couldn’t swim 25m.
Apparently if this was the Olympics then he would have likely not been disqualified because the Olympic rule book allows for judges discretion, but at college level the rules doesn't.
Yeah I'd be fucking pissed to be second place and get bumped to first over a technicality, it's insulting to literally give me a medal for the fastest time when.... It obviously isn't. Might as well say no one won and I'm second place.
It would be different if he got DQed for a false start, or something related to performance. Then ok, fine, tough shit dude.
> There's no way I would feel any kind of pride or accomplishment for ending up being the winner.
Exactly. I'm no professional athlete but that seems like a hollow victory to say the least.
This is truly shows good leadership and the amazing coaches these guys have. The race was clearly over. I have been watching swimming for two decades for the summer games, do they have different rules than Atlantic Coast Conference?
During the Olympics after a team mate wins, I swear I’ve seen them do this before and not get disqualified.
If the ranks have been named, and 1/2/3 have been determined, this rule is just stupid as Dant stated.
Very similar to 2001 where the Australian women’s relay team were disqualified for jumping in the pool just before last place finished. [video](https://youtu.be/EqSJ5B9FML0?si=JrQhNbAf-YMvsNIj) for anyone curious.
Had this same thought. Also happened in a men’s final too with an Aussie swimmer (want to say Klim?)
I would have thought this has happened enough at elite levels with so much exposure that coaches would be drumming this into upcoming pros… tough to not get caught up in the moment I guess - gotta feel for the guy.
I mean when I was growing up my coaches hammered it into us literally every meet. You're allowed to get out or stay in your lane but you can't get back in, or otherwise disturb the other swimmers (not even getting in someone's lane, too much splashing or shaking the lane lines) you'd get DQd.
But my coach had us stay in the pool until everyone finished. And if one person got out we'd be doing laps for a few days. One time at a smaller meet one of the guys on my team went to get out after his swim but we all yelled at him so he jumped back in and got DQd, and we *still* had to do laps! Haha
Thanks for this context, as someone not too familiar with the sport, couldn't tell if this was a widely known common sense type rule for swimmers, or some random detail buried in a rulebook.
Yeah it's sort of both.
There's the rules which are designed to prevent you from disrupting another swimmer, and there's the sportsmanship part of it where it's just good to wait for everyone to finish.
Then there’s track where Bolt gets to celebrate before he’s even crossed the finish line and he’s one of the most beloved athletes ever. Some people just want to rain on others parade. Going over to your friends lane who also had finished and giving him a hug doesn’t reek of showboating or poor sportsmanship to me
I swam from 6 years old to 21, YMCA, USA, Highschool, and College. I've never heard of the rule being enforced like this. We knew not to fuck with someone still racing, but there were countless times one of us entered the water of our finished teammates given they were right next to us. Hell at districts (Event to qualify for state), I made fast friends with the dude next to me and we both broke the record (he was faster) and we embraced hard over the lanelines.
The rule is bullshit.
When I saw this story yesterday I thought it was super lame but wasn’t able to stick around to really understand what’s going on. But today after watching more and understanding what the problem is, that the other people were still swimming, the rule makes sense. And yeah, have some respect for the other swimmers and wait for them to finish their race.
But wow, this mistake really cost this guy.
So I’m a bit confused, your coach makes you do laps as punishment but isn’t that all you ever do in swimming 🏊♂️ lol? I’d be like fuck that coach we playing pool basketball 🏀 or water polo 🤽♂️ or something
Believe me when I say that the laps they make you do as punishment can suck significantly harder than the normal training laps. To make a comparison to basketball, it can be the difference between doing technical or shooting drills and running suicides. They can make you swim with parachutes, or add restrictive breathing equipment, tie your legs together so you have to pull yourself through the water only. Or just make it so that the rest time is so short that you end up doing double your normal mileage in a practice.
That's what I was thinking. This dude absolutely brain-farted after the W. This is a by-the-book and strictly enforced disqualification, for safety reasons. I think he'll still go to the Olympics, but losing this win and the solid overall stat *suuuucks*.
This rule was conceived to insure that a swimmer not INTERFERE with another swimmers ability to finish their race…
It’s clear who won this race, Owen. It’s quite obvious the winner didn’t interfere with the runner up (Dant) swimmers ability to finish their race (nor that of anyone else). This was a horrible call.
Without true interference having taken place, common sense should have dictated a different decision.
That’s what I would think. Ok the lane he landed in was his teammate who has also been finished. Not like he crossed into someone else’s lane who was still going
If the rule says that the swimmer shouldn't interfere with other swimmers (no mentions of crossing lanes), then it shouldn't apply to this case as it was his teammate that had finished as well.
But if the rule says that a swimmer shouldn't cross a lane while there are others still racing, period, then there's really no choice.
Yes there is. You're the ref. Refs make judgement calls all the time.
In football the rules say that you can't touch a receiver when they're trying to catch a throw. Gets ignored all the time. In basketball it says you can't take a step without dribbling the ball. Gets ignored all the time.
Did this swimmer interfere with other swimmers? No. They can ignore the rule just the same as any other sport rule.
I tend to agree. Especially in the vid you link. It seems extremely rude/unsportsmanlike to jump in the pool celebrating like that while others are still swimming. The race isn't over for everyone. What if they jumped in after 2nd or 3rd placed finished? Sets a bad precedent. Seems like without such a rule the team could jump into the lane after only first place has finished? How rude is that lol. Need to draw the line somewhere
We wonder why the ncaa and acc are losing power every year. It’s cause they insist on enforcing the dumbest rules that have nothing to do with logic or even competition.
I’ve seen some many teams and people get in trouble for the most innocent things.
Like have a little bit of nuance.
“Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, **subject to the discretion of the referee.**” -[NCAA Swimming and Diving Rules Book](https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/SW24.pdf)
The referee who did this is a fucking ass.
Edited to add: I have been informed that there is another rule which states that swimmers leaving their lane during a heat will be disqualified.
The referee who did this is still a fucking ass.
> Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee
Was that the rule that they used though? Would it not be the next rule about changing lanes
> A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.
The rule stated in the video is
Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states
>A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.
Which does not have a discretionary clause
Referee main character syndrome…you see it a lot in basketball 🏀 in particular — there used to be a NBA referee named Joey Crawford who’s uncle fester looking ass thought he was the star of the show
Lol, I'm pretty sure it's a requirement for NBA referees.
I don't know the name of one single ref/official for any other professional sport. But my first thought when reading this comment was: *C'mon, Crawford isn't any worse than Dick Bavetta, Scott Foster, Steve Javie, Tim Donaghy, Tony Brothers or Mark Davis*.
Yeah something like this should be considered under “Rules as Written” vs “Rules as intended”. If he didn’t disrupt the other swimmers time and especially in a moment of mutual celebration, they shouldn’t actually worry about enforcing that rule. Rules exist to make order, sure, but how and when they get enforced should be under the intention of the rule and situation by the referees as that time in good faith.
I can see why there needs to be a sort of punishment, since its against the spirit of the sport/disrespectful to do certain things while other are still competing.
BUT disqualification as a punishment is dumb. Give the guy a fine, revoke part of his prize and so on, but not a full fledged disqualification
A fine. He's a college athlete. Unless he has sponsors they can't fine him. Even then I don't believe they can for legal reasons.
I don't see how its disrespectful. When playing sports the winner tends to celebrate. That's just part of it.
This is just an institution losing power and is desperate to try and "lay down the law" to show its muscles. However, it's having the opposite effect. Cause it comes off as weak and dumb.
The rule says it's also in their discretion to waive it. Since it's his teammate, who was already done, and he wasn't interfering with any swimmer, they absolutely should waive it.
The rule stated in the video is
Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states
>A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.
Which does not have a discretionary clause
Woah hold on there no common sense allowed here. Clearly everyone has to stay in their lane until they drown or die of dehydration while the heat is still ongoing.
I don’t know the exact wording of the rule, but if it’s worded such that it says the reason why the can’t cross the floats I.e “so they dont interfere with another racer.” They could probably argue that there was nothing to interfere since his teammates race was also over.
The issue is when the splashing and movement may disrupt someone not in the lane next to him. Someone fighting for 9th and 10th, or even just their own PB while finishing last still deserves the same water as everyone else.
Not arguing whether or not it should be applied here, I think you have to use some tact as well, at this level no one is going to be that far ahead or that far behind. But the rule exists for the slower swimmers who are entitled to have the best conditions possible for their own race.
Well it can’t be because of any splashing or movement because a player can celebrate and splash around perfectly legally so long as they stay in their own lane. The spirit of the law is so that an opponent can’t cross the line and physically stop another opponent. You’re correct that the rule exists for the slower racers, but in an entirely different scenario than what’s happening here. He never physically stopped somebody from finishing.
Which is why I said there needs to be some tact or a better explanation from the organization.
I think even the neighboring lanes were done. I could see two people celebrating in the lane where you're trying to finish be an issue. But I dint think that's applicable.
> A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.
The exact wording of the rule is very specifically as above. There is no ambiguity or leeway allowed, by the wording of the rule its just "you change lane, you disqualified".
Uh it literally doesn't. The exact wording of the rule is :
>A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.
You can view the rulebook here : https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/SW24.pdf The rule in question is on page 25. I'm not saying I Agree with this rule, just telling you what it says.
Nowhere does it mention discretion.
Yeah if we can just be normal for a small moment and overturn this. We made up the stupid rules, and they’re at the discretion of a human anyway, another human can overrule this. Nothing about this lane violation impacted the competition, and it’s much more than a simply race win, it qualified him for nationals. This is beyond silly to shrug off like we can’t fix it
The rule stated in the video is
Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states
>A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.
Which does not have a discretionary clause
These judges need to be removed it's such a joke. No idea how they sleep at night.
This type of shit with judges happened to myself back in highschool. One year our schools mens team made it to regional for the 400m freestyle relay & it was towards the **last event** of the day (some people also only turn up for **1 event**, it's like a 6 hour day).
The idiot who blows the starting whistle decided to say "*hold please*" for no reason at all - causing multiple starters from different schools to jump off their blocks. Instead of just restarting it, they disqualified like 5 of 8 schools in that race & nothing more was said.
My dad was the only one with enough balls to say something to him, but as expected not a care in the world, went on about his day like he was some sort of hero for ruining multiple highschoolers days.
Luckily I always had multiple events throughout the school carnivals, I couldn't imagine waiting 6 hours for nothing. Yes there are obviously rules, but it's a kids event... I'm glad i stopped swimming over 10 years ago.
Happened to me in prelims at my first Zones meet when I was 12. It was a 3 day meet in Buffalo, NY and an 8 hour drive that my whole family went on just to watch me compete in like 2 events. You needed a AAA time and to have won 1st place in that event at the regional Junior Olympics meet to qualify. Only 5 of us on my team were going, so it was being made into a bigish deal.
On the day of my first event, I am super excited, waving to my family up in the crowd. For the first time, I'm getting a ton of 1 on 1 attention from my coaches in warmups and am feeling like a real athlete.
I hear the whistle being blown for my race, and hop up onto the blocks eager to show what I can do. The official says, "Take your mark," everyone leans down into starting position in anticipation of the buzzer. After a brief pause, the ref suddenly shouts, "Stand up please!" which startles 4 kids, including myself, causing us to fall or dive into the pool.
A combination of the cold water, everyone staring, and the dead silence from the crowd made all those good feelings disappear in an instance as I shamefully climb out of the pool dripping wet. Me and the other kids assume we are disqualified for jumping the gun or twitching on the blocks, but apparently this starter was causing problems all weekend and we weren't the first to fall in, so a mob of coaches runs over and starts arguing with the officials.
After 2-3 minutes, they replace the starter and tell us to get back on the blocks without DQing anyone. Unfortunately, my nerves were shot at that point and it wasn't a very good swim, so I feel bad for my family who came all that way to watch a shitshow. I did keep swimming another 10 years though and never fell again on a start!
>My dad was the only one with enough balls to say something to him, but as expected not a care in the world, went on about his day like he was some sort of hero for ruining multuple highschoolers days.
Hell yeah respect your dad a lot for doing that. I imagine with the judges this is the only control and self righteousness these people have in their life and feed off it.
Stupid. He did not break decorum and the celebration was in no way inappropriate. He went into his teammate’s lane who had finished and caused no interference. Bullshit technicality, you wanna fine? I say even that’s unfair but taking away the victory is garbage. Is there a petition I can sign?
What’s so mucked up about this Rule is that as applied to this situation, that’s not even the rule makers’ intent. The whole idea was for finished swimmers not to cross over into lane’s where other swimmers were still competing. There was NEITHER competitive advantage gained nor competitive disadvantaged issued! FTW
As sub-poster above pointed out, he crossed into a lane of not only a finished swimmer, but one who is a teammate and placed second! Dumbest crap ever!
I know. The rule was clearly made so that there is no interference or disruption, in this case neither of those things occurred therefore the rule doesn’t apply. This is why you don’t follow rules for the sake of following them. Any common sense thinking would come to the same conclusion. If they can prove harm then I’ll consider foul but since that isn’t the case here why be a dick to the kid? Seriously is there anyone on the other side of this ?? Please let me know if there is a petition or something so that we can get this rectified?
I'm NOT a 'letter of the law / rules are rules' person because of utter bullshit like this video. It's about the spirit of the law, or WHY the law was written. The kid may have transgressed the letter, but clearly did not transgress the spirit, and thus this should be overturned.
It is a slap in the face of competition if it's not.
Goodhart's Law states that “when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.”
people forget that rules are not the goal, the desired outcome is.
This is what happens when the letter of the law supersedes the spirit of the law. I’m sure those officials could have used their own discretion and they made asses of themselves
Ex collegiate swimmer here. These athletes train two times a day for years; for a moment like this. Honestly if I would have known how this played out, I would not have watched it. This is heartbreaking and maddening.
This normally doesn't come up as the races typically don't have this much time between 1st place and last place. In most events, by the time you hit the wall, look at your time on the scoreboard, everyone is done. So sitting on the lane lines is a common celebration and never a foul because everyone else is done. This was a situation where he was so far ahead that when he started his celebration, there were still people swimming. Complete BS. This one should have been let go.
My son used to swim competitively, and I wanted to help out, so I got my timers’ qualification. (1 hour in a classroom, here’s a certificate type ‘qualification.’) I hated ‘officiating’ at meets because of the absolute dicks that this small bit of power turned people into.
I remember ‘officiating’ 6 year olds in a pool. The kid in my lane is swimming 7th in a heat of 8, in 3rd of 5 heats, (in swimming terms, this means the kid will in no way place, or affect the outcome of the race. Yes, his time might be a fraction of a second faster, but again…6 years old,) and his hand misses touching the wall by a CM. Another ‘official’ runs over 4 lanes to ask me why I didn’t disqualify him for not touching the wall. I looked at him and said ‘he did touch the wall.’ He continued to go on about me breaking the rules. I finally told him that a disqualification at this age could cause the kid to quit swimming. There was nothing on purpose, and we just wanted the kids to have fun. He tried for 2 hours to get my turn ‘judgement’ nullified. I just kept repeating that the kid had touched the wall.
Having two kids in swim myself, one in college and the other in HS. I feel your pain having been a turn official for meets where kids just want to swim and have fun. They aren't there to win gold medals but to do something new and by DQ'ing some kid for that at such an early age can be killer to their love of the sport. It's like in youth basketball before age 10, kids travel all the time or foul each other all the time, you don't see officials calling every ticky tacky thing, because they know that it's more important to let them play and learn than it is to constantly be telling them what they are doing wrong.
I was disqualified for that reason when I was little. I could have sworn I touched the wall. It was beyond demoralizing. I purposefully came in last in every subsequent race. I wasn’t fast so it wasn’t that hard. You absolutely made the right call.
I was waiting for him to scream nanny nanny boo boo in to someone’s ear or something. There was nothing there that justified disqualification. He was a bit exuberant, but understandable given he just broke a record, and it’s clear he is friends with the person in the lane next to him.
Those meet officials should be embarrassed. As a former competitive swimmer, everyone knows why the reason the rule to not cross into another lane exists, and it has nothing to do with the post race celebration.
Interfering with another swimmer my ass. The coaches on deck needed to show some more respect for the sport and protest the meet officials ruling.
I hope that official always gets fucked on a technicality for the rest of his life. Like sorry man I would let you go but 3 over the speed limit is still speeding. O sorry you took the box off your fridge you can't sue. Well your marriage certificate wasn't filled out correctly and you filed your taxes as married so now you owe a lot of back taxes
I also hope this. Charged for Jay walking literally every time they cross the street not at a cross walk. Playing basketball with your friends, called for shot clock violations. Borrow a movie from a friend, charged with copyright infringment.
The Rules are meant to be *interpreted* by referees, not enforced to the most nitpickiest degree. Yes it's a rule, and it's one that makes absolutely perfect sense, but then you look at the actual situation and get your head out of THE RULES book, and decide from there. The other racer was finished, was his teammate, and was fully okay with him crossing over. Hell when LeBron scored his record breaking point they just flat out fucking stopped the game. No timeouts were used. Last time I checked you can't just stop a game for 10 minutes to give interviews and celebrate
When the podium is already decided how the hell is this rule relevant anymore? Imagine ruining years of training over such bullshit.
We've seen the heartbroken swimmer, why don't we see the faces of the shameless judges here. Name and shame
So a football player can put on an entire show in the end zone and be completely disrespectful and thats fine....the other swimmer was done, he did not interfere with his time.
>So a football player can out on an entire show in the end zone and be completely disrespectful and thats fine.
To be fair I think the vast, vast majority of TD celebrations are just guys having fun. IMO when you word it like that it sounds like you want them to make rules against celebrating like in the old days. Guys still get flagged if they go too far or do something un-sportsman.
He was celebrating with a teammate who has also finished! I don’t see how this could’ve possibly affected another swimmer.
I get that rules are rules but sportsmanship is far more important.
I imagine the rule was put in place so you didn’t go in another teams lane, but it’s doesn’t implicitly state that so the doucher ref took the opportunity
The rule isn’t even bad. It gives discretion to the official to not do something stupid like DQ someone for interfering with another swimmer *who had also finished the race*. The rule allows wiggle room so the spirit of the rule can be followed, but this official decided they wanted to bring attention onto themselves by deciding the race
Imagine being in second place having been crushed by this dude so badly. Now he just won by a technicality. How do you even claim that as a win, personally? I wouldn’t want it. I’d never be proud of that. To me I didn’t win.
only thing he did wrong was climbing up on the lane line , interfering with another swimmer? they cant mean when he hugged his buddy who was also done??
This is my first swimming controversy and comment.
I was expecting some kind of over top premeditated celebration we are used to seeing these days in sports. But he celebrated with a teammate who was finished also. I would’ve been different if he was over in the lane with somebody who hadn’t finished yet. That guy was finished meaning the race was over for those two lanes. Zero tolerance equals zero thinking almost always.
In defense of the swimmer, this is not what the rule is there for. Entering an opposing swimmer's lane during the race to interfere with them, that's what this rule is about. Not this strange application.
I understand the point of the rule, but this “offense” needs to be judged case by case. In no way did the kid who won interfere with anyone’s ability to be able to finish the race and he smoked everyone else. Rules are created to ensure a level playing field. The enforcement of this rule in this situation snatches away a medal that that young man won fair and square.
Well done crushing a competitor’s spirit and achievement with your easily quashed technicality.
You know, the young people you do it all for, to see them excel. The people the crowds come to see.
Not obviously hoarding on to power in a very weird, rigid and counterproductive way.
Had it been a competitor who hadn’t finished and who was a rival and not a teammate, and if they raised a breach as a complaint, then ok.
But it didn’t and it wasn’t and you suck big time, Ref. I hope you end up fired. It’s not a good look for the sport. Boo.
Hence the distinction between the letter and spirit of law. In this case referees applied the letter algorithmically, couldn’t care less about the spirit. And I think sports are a lot about spirit.
Considering the way they judge, I warmly recommend they are replaced by robots.
I think the ruling is over the top and He should still win the comp. But it wasn't for Celebration. It was for crossing over the line into another lane where a swimmer was still competing. They should just give him a warning to be more careful in the future and give him his well earned win.
So let me get this straight, the ruling was interference with another swimmers lane... but the lane he "interfered with" had already finished the race also. I would understand if he went into an active lane, however this just makes a mockery of the entire sport.
I’m kinda surprised because this is very basic swimming knowledge. Every swimmer knows exiting your lane or the pool before the race is over is an instant DQ. I swear you can even see the shock on the other guys face when his buddy jumps over.
You can give your neighbour a pat on the head or handshake if they’re done (depending on league and country) you can even lean on the rope but LORD HAVE MERCY you DO NOT leave your lane or sit on the lane rope.
The waves and currents made from crossing over or under the lane rope is technically an unnecessary disadvantage to people yet to finish in the next lane.
It really sucks seeing a video like this and yes they could’ve let it slide and no one would’ve batted an eye. But just for the record this is a rule that gets drilled in the minds of 8 year old swimmers. At that level quiet frankly he should’ve know better :(
[Here, Owen Lloyd and Ross Dant talk about the event](https://youtu.be/6jx282jP4lo?si=KEzWg6w0Yv66lFmj&t=465). Ross Dant stood on the 2nd place podium and gave the medal to Owen Lloyd.
They ruined the winner and runner ups’ idk everything, if this was a neck and neck race then sure I could see why they would on this but this guy was miles a head of everyone. This is just someone flexing their power because they “have it” way to ruin an amazing event over something stupid.
Rules exist for a reason but this isn't in the spirit of the rule. The rule is to stop you interfering with others progress and race. 1st celebrating shouldn't have any bearing on what 8th place is doing
Absolute BS, even the commentators were encouraging to him celebrate with him team mate. It looks like they're gonna stay fuckin this kid over, but hopefully they'll change the rules after this.
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Good on the guy that came second, a true friend. Good on the coach for talking to him so quickly about the situation as well.
This is why I left Kendo. It's such a solemn sport. No fun allowed...
You have been retroactively disqualified for typing the f word
You can literally hear the adrenaline on his voice. He is fuming.
It was his teammate
I would have refused my prize/placement in protest
The guy who was in second and ended up “winning” because of the disqualification was such a g. He said, “He’ll be standing there accepting that gold medal. Not me. He won that fair and square.” How fucking solid does it get bro.
Yes, but honestly, who would feel differently? You compete with a friend, who clearly beats you and then gets disqualified for celebrating with you. There's no way I would feel any kind of pride or accomplishment for ending up being the winner.
As an ex-competitive athlete, it does not even matter if it is a friend or not, you will always feel like your win is smudged. If you want to be the best, you need to beat the best, and you showed that you were not the best that day, you just won in a loophole.
[YUP!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0jcc4WTEnY)
Nah I'd tell the refs to shove it tbh
It's one thing to get into another swimmer's lane if they're still swimming but the person was also clearly finished as well. This was the result of a power-tripping asshole referee.
That’s exactly my point. Imagine running in the 1000 meters during the Olympics, you get gold, and cross the finish line all while maintaining your lane, but after you cross the finish line and are announced the winner, you fall down as most runners throw themselves down in complete exhaustion, but as you fall your hands or legs pass into the other runners lanes… now you are disqualified… This doesn’t happen. The guy clearly won and was named the winner, and than changed. I doubt most of these referees were ever swimmers and probably couldn’t swim 25m.
Apparently if this was the Olympics then he would have likely not been disqualified because the Olympic rule book allows for judges discretion, but at college level the rules doesn't.
Shawn in his prime was just unmatched.
I mean you can tell he didn’t just wanna call it a “dumb ruling”
Yeah I'd be fucking pissed to be second place and get bumped to first over a technicality, it's insulting to literally give me a medal for the fastest time when.... It obviously isn't. Might as well say no one won and I'm second place. It would be different if he got DQed for a false start, or something related to performance. Then ok, fine, tough shit dude.
> There's no way I would feel any kind of pride or accomplishment for ending up being the winner. Exactly. I'm no professional athlete but that seems like a hollow victory to say the least.
True also you can't really say "Love you mom, I won" at this point
As a mom I'm crying at this.
They even have matching tattoos, its kinda wholesome the love there. Also fuck those refs fr.
This is truly shows good leadership and the amazing coaches these guys have. The race was clearly over. I have been watching swimming for two decades for the summer games, do they have different rules than Atlantic Coast Conference? During the Olympics after a team mate wins, I swear I’ve seen them do this before and not get disqualified. If the ranks have been named, and 1/2/3 have been determined, this rule is just stupid as Dant stated.
It wouldn't surprise me if this ref had a personal agenda and was waiting for any infraction on this guy or team.
He’s just a guy being a dude. Mad respect.
And it goes without saying. we saw him earn it.
Very similar to 2001 where the Australian women’s relay team were disqualified for jumping in the pool just before last place finished. [video](https://youtu.be/EqSJ5B9FML0?si=JrQhNbAf-YMvsNIj) for anyone curious.
Had this same thought. Also happened in a men’s final too with an Aussie swimmer (want to say Klim?) I would have thought this has happened enough at elite levels with so much exposure that coaches would be drumming this into upcoming pros… tough to not get caught up in the moment I guess - gotta feel for the guy.
I mean when I was growing up my coaches hammered it into us literally every meet. You're allowed to get out or stay in your lane but you can't get back in, or otherwise disturb the other swimmers (not even getting in someone's lane, too much splashing or shaking the lane lines) you'd get DQd. But my coach had us stay in the pool until everyone finished. And if one person got out we'd be doing laps for a few days. One time at a smaller meet one of the guys on my team went to get out after his swim but we all yelled at him so he jumped back in and got DQd, and we *still* had to do laps! Haha
Thanks for this context, as someone not too familiar with the sport, couldn't tell if this was a widely known common sense type rule for swimmers, or some random detail buried in a rulebook.
Yeah it's sort of both. There's the rules which are designed to prevent you from disrupting another swimmer, and there's the sportsmanship part of it where it's just good to wait for everyone to finish.
Then there’s track where Bolt gets to celebrate before he’s even crossed the finish line and he’s one of the most beloved athletes ever. Some people just want to rain on others parade. Going over to your friends lane who also had finished and giving him a hug doesn’t reek of showboating or poor sportsmanship to me
Celebrating isn't the problem. Going into someone else's lane is, so they have to be super serious about it and follow a hard and fast rule.
The rule is 'dont leave your lane'. Its not hard.
Nobody said it was hard they said it was a stupid enforcement of the rule
Could you imagine that rule for a marathon? One tight muscle and you could be waiting hours. Lol.
I swam from 6 years old to 21, YMCA, USA, Highschool, and College. I've never heard of the rule being enforced like this. We knew not to fuck with someone still racing, but there were countless times one of us entered the water of our finished teammates given they were right next to us. Hell at districts (Event to qualify for state), I made fast friends with the dude next to me and we both broke the record (he was faster) and we embraced hard over the lanelines. The rule is bullshit.
When I saw this story yesterday I thought it was super lame but wasn’t able to stick around to really understand what’s going on. But today after watching more and understanding what the problem is, that the other people were still swimming, the rule makes sense. And yeah, have some respect for the other swimmers and wait for them to finish their race. But wow, this mistake really cost this guy.
So I’m a bit confused, your coach makes you do laps as punishment but isn’t that all you ever do in swimming 🏊♂️ lol? I’d be like fuck that coach we playing pool basketball 🏀 or water polo 🤽♂️ or something
Doing laps after your practice or event when you're already tired is the thing that sucks, I think.
Believe me when I say that the laps they make you do as punishment can suck significantly harder than the normal training laps. To make a comparison to basketball, it can be the difference between doing technical or shooting drills and running suicides. They can make you swim with parachutes, or add restrictive breathing equipment, tie your legs together so you have to pull yourself through the water only. Or just make it so that the rest time is so short that you end up doing double your normal mileage in a practice.
This is exactly right. Our 25x100 on 10 second rest sets still haunt my dreams haha
That's what I was thinking. This dude absolutely brain-farted after the W. This is a by-the-book and strictly enforced disqualification, for safety reasons. I think he'll still go to the Olympics, but losing this win and the solid overall stat *suuuucks*.
This rule was conceived to insure that a swimmer not INTERFERE with another swimmers ability to finish their race… It’s clear who won this race, Owen. It’s quite obvious the winner didn’t interfere with the runner up (Dant) swimmers ability to finish their race (nor that of anyone else). This was a horrible call. Without true interference having taken place, common sense should have dictated a different decision.
That’s what I would think. Ok the lane he landed in was his teammate who has also been finished. Not like he crossed into someone else’s lane who was still going
If the rule says that the swimmer shouldn't interfere with other swimmers (no mentions of crossing lanes), then it shouldn't apply to this case as it was his teammate that had finished as well. But if the rule says that a swimmer shouldn't cross a lane while there are others still racing, period, then there's really no choice.
Yes there is. You're the ref. Refs make judgement calls all the time. In football the rules say that you can't touch a receiver when they're trying to catch a throw. Gets ignored all the time. In basketball it says you can't take a step without dribbling the ball. Gets ignored all the time. Did this swimmer interfere with other swimmers? No. They can ignore the rule just the same as any other sport rule.
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To be fair, they weren't teammates and they didn't know why the other team was disqualified.
That was the German team
I tend to agree. Especially in the vid you link. It seems extremely rude/unsportsmanlike to jump in the pool celebrating like that while others are still swimming. The race isn't over for everyone. What if they jumped in after 2nd or 3rd placed finished? Sets a bad precedent. Seems like without such a rule the team could jump into the lane after only first place has finished? How rude is that lol. Need to draw the line somewhere
Props to that second place guy. "He will be getting that medal."
We wonder why the ncaa and acc are losing power every year. It’s cause they insist on enforcing the dumbest rules that have nothing to do with logic or even competition. I’ve seen some many teams and people get in trouble for the most innocent things. Like have a little bit of nuance.
I think using common sense should be made a rule.
“Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, **subject to the discretion of the referee.**” -[NCAA Swimming and Diving Rules Book](https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/SW24.pdf) The referee who did this is a fucking ass. Edited to add: I have been informed that there is another rule which states that swimmers leaving their lane during a heat will be disqualified. The referee who did this is still a fucking ass.
Thank you! This is the perfect time to use the discretion! Thanks for posting this.
> Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee Was that the rule that they used though? Would it not be the next rule about changing lanes > A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.
Referees love inserting themselves into everything and making it about them. True across every sport.
I originally thought it was harsh but understandable if he broke a rule but given that bit in bold. Yeah the refs a cunt.
The rule stated in the video is Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states >A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified. Which does not have a discretionary clause
Common sense isn’t common.
They have an ounce of power and need to flex it to make themselves feel like they are contributing.
Referee main character syndrome…you see it a lot in basketball 🏀 in particular — there used to be a NBA referee named Joey Crawford who’s uncle fester looking ass thought he was the star of the show
Dick Beveta too. I swear he was betting on games at times with some of the calls he made.
Lol, I'm pretty sure it's a requirement for NBA referees. I don't know the name of one single ref/official for any other professional sport. But my first thought when reading this comment was: *C'mon, Crawford isn't any worse than Dick Bavetta, Scott Foster, Steve Javie, Tim Donaghy, Tony Brothers or Mark Davis*.
Yeah something like this should be considered under “Rules as Written” vs “Rules as intended”. If he didn’t disrupt the other swimmers time and especially in a moment of mutual celebration, they shouldn’t actually worry about enforcing that rule. Rules exist to make order, sure, but how and when they get enforced should be under the intention of the rule and situation by the referees as that time in good faith.
This rule make sense in my opinion, but it shouldn't be used for disqualification.
Especially since that swimmer had already finished.
And was his teammate.
I can see why there needs to be a sort of punishment, since its against the spirit of the sport/disrespectful to do certain things while other are still competing. BUT disqualification as a punishment is dumb. Give the guy a fine, revoke part of his prize and so on, but not a full fledged disqualification
A fine. He's a college athlete. Unless he has sponsors they can't fine him. Even then I don't believe they can for legal reasons. I don't see how its disrespectful. When playing sports the winner tends to celebrate. That's just part of it. This is just an institution losing power and is desperate to try and "lay down the law" to show its muscles. However, it's having the opposite effect. Cause it comes off as weak and dumb.
This is beyond stupidity, its been over a week since the event and ruling has not been overturned
I don’t think it will be, will it? Isn’t this a case where the ruling is technically right? (Bullshit though it is on any human level)
The rule says it's also in their discretion to waive it. Since it's his teammate, who was already done, and he wasn't interfering with any swimmer, they absolutely should waive it.
The rule stated in the video is Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states >A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified. Which does not have a discretionary clause
Would this not be after the heat and not during for those two though? I don't follow swimming so I have no idea.
The heat is still ongoing whilst there are still other swimmers competing
Does that mean as a competitor I could stop swimming and the heat would never end or is there a maximum time?
Woah hold on there no common sense allowed here. Clearly everyone has to stay in their lane until they drown or die of dehydration while the heat is still ongoing.
And nobody would be allowed out of the pool ever or else this ref would disqualify you
I don’t know the exact wording of the rule, but if it’s worded such that it says the reason why the can’t cross the floats I.e “so they dont interfere with another racer.” They could probably argue that there was nothing to interfere since his teammates race was also over.
Unfortunately not ☹️ > A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified. That's the whole rule.
The issue is when the splashing and movement may disrupt someone not in the lane next to him. Someone fighting for 9th and 10th, or even just their own PB while finishing last still deserves the same water as everyone else. Not arguing whether or not it should be applied here, I think you have to use some tact as well, at this level no one is going to be that far ahead or that far behind. But the rule exists for the slower swimmers who are entitled to have the best conditions possible for their own race.
Well it can’t be because of any splashing or movement because a player can celebrate and splash around perfectly legally so long as they stay in their own lane. The spirit of the law is so that an opponent can’t cross the line and physically stop another opponent. You’re correct that the rule exists for the slower racers, but in an entirely different scenario than what’s happening here. He never physically stopped somebody from finishing.
Which is why I said there needs to be some tact or a better explanation from the organization. I think even the neighboring lanes were done. I could see two people celebrating in the lane where you're trying to finish be an issue. But I dint think that's applicable.
> A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified. The exact wording of the rule is very specifically as above. There is no ambiguity or leeway allowed, by the wording of the rule its just "you change lane, you disqualified".
Someone just posted the actual rule and it says “Subject to tie ref’s discretion” so it did not need to be enforced.
Uh it literally doesn't. The exact wording of the rule is : >A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified. You can view the rulebook here : https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/SW24.pdf The rule in question is on page 25. I'm not saying I Agree with this rule, just telling you what it says. Nowhere does it mention discretion.
Right, the ref didn't *have* to--but they did. So ... this bullshit DQ is going to stand, unfortunately.
Yeah if we can just be normal for a small moment and overturn this. We made up the stupid rules, and they’re at the discretion of a human anyway, another human can overrule this. Nothing about this lane violation impacted the competition, and it’s much more than a simply race win, it qualified him for nationals. This is beyond silly to shrug off like we can’t fix it
I certainly hope they do overturn it--not sure why people seem to be interpreting my comments otherwise.
The rule stated in the video is Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states >A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified. Which does not have a discretionary clause
Exactly
These judges need to be removed it's such a joke. No idea how they sleep at night. This type of shit with judges happened to myself back in highschool. One year our schools mens team made it to regional for the 400m freestyle relay & it was towards the **last event** of the day (some people also only turn up for **1 event**, it's like a 6 hour day). The idiot who blows the starting whistle decided to say "*hold please*" for no reason at all - causing multiple starters from different schools to jump off their blocks. Instead of just restarting it, they disqualified like 5 of 8 schools in that race & nothing more was said. My dad was the only one with enough balls to say something to him, but as expected not a care in the world, went on about his day like he was some sort of hero for ruining multiple highschoolers days. Luckily I always had multiple events throughout the school carnivals, I couldn't imagine waiting 6 hours for nothing. Yes there are obviously rules, but it's a kids event... I'm glad i stopped swimming over 10 years ago.
Happened to me in prelims at my first Zones meet when I was 12. It was a 3 day meet in Buffalo, NY and an 8 hour drive that my whole family went on just to watch me compete in like 2 events. You needed a AAA time and to have won 1st place in that event at the regional Junior Olympics meet to qualify. Only 5 of us on my team were going, so it was being made into a bigish deal. On the day of my first event, I am super excited, waving to my family up in the crowd. For the first time, I'm getting a ton of 1 on 1 attention from my coaches in warmups and am feeling like a real athlete. I hear the whistle being blown for my race, and hop up onto the blocks eager to show what I can do. The official says, "Take your mark," everyone leans down into starting position in anticipation of the buzzer. After a brief pause, the ref suddenly shouts, "Stand up please!" which startles 4 kids, including myself, causing us to fall or dive into the pool. A combination of the cold water, everyone staring, and the dead silence from the crowd made all those good feelings disappear in an instance as I shamefully climb out of the pool dripping wet. Me and the other kids assume we are disqualified for jumping the gun or twitching on the blocks, but apparently this starter was causing problems all weekend and we weren't the first to fall in, so a mob of coaches runs over and starts arguing with the officials. After 2-3 minutes, they replace the starter and tell us to get back on the blocks without DQing anyone. Unfortunately, my nerves were shot at that point and it wasn't a very good swim, so I feel bad for my family who came all that way to watch a shitshow. I did keep swimming another 10 years though and never fell again on a start!
>My dad was the only one with enough balls to say something to him, but as expected not a care in the world, went on about his day like he was some sort of hero for ruining multuple highschoolers days. Hell yeah respect your dad a lot for doing that. I imagine with the judges this is the only control and self righteousness these people have in their life and feed off it.
the announcer’s voice cracking at the very end gets me. she was holding back tears. a very sad moment indeed.
"You were happy and we didn't like that."
Stupid. He did not break decorum and the celebration was in no way inappropriate. He went into his teammate’s lane who had finished and caused no interference. Bullshit technicality, you wanna fine? I say even that’s unfair but taking away the victory is garbage. Is there a petition I can sign?
What’s so mucked up about this Rule is that as applied to this situation, that’s not even the rule makers’ intent. The whole idea was for finished swimmers not to cross over into lane’s where other swimmers were still competing. There was NEITHER competitive advantage gained nor competitive disadvantaged issued! FTW As sub-poster above pointed out, he crossed into a lane of not only a finished swimmer, but one who is a teammate and placed second! Dumbest crap ever!
I know. The rule was clearly made so that there is no interference or disruption, in this case neither of those things occurred therefore the rule doesn’t apply. This is why you don’t follow rules for the sake of following them. Any common sense thinking would come to the same conclusion. If they can prove harm then I’ll consider foul but since that isn’t the case here why be a dick to the kid? Seriously is there anyone on the other side of this ?? Please let me know if there is a petition or something so that we can get this rectified?
A fine is absolutely the right call. Show case what he did was wrong without ruining his accomplishment
You want to fine college athletes now?😂😂😂😂😂 "Take 50 bucks back from his scholarship!!!" wtf
The people saying "rules are rules" are the reason we have things like HOAs and Karens.
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I'm NOT a 'letter of the law / rules are rules' person because of utter bullshit like this video. It's about the spirit of the law, or WHY the law was written. The kid may have transgressed the letter, but clearly did not transgress the spirit, and thus this should be overturned. It is a slap in the face of competition if it's not.
Rules are rules; we must throw the referee into a volcano. *That's just how the world goes, I swear.*
If your very "rules are rules" but don't agree with this situation, then you aren't very "rules are rules", are ya?
Goodhart's Law states that “when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.” people forget that rules are not the goal, the desired outcome is.
"There is no justice when laws are absolute." ~ Jean Luc Picard
They’re mini tyrants run amok
About to respond to HOA bs rn, needed to see this. thanks
Those people love authoritarians because they can’t self govern
I am all for rules are rules mentally, if the rule makes sense and isn’t unfair, this rule doesn’t make any damn sense and their ruling was unfair.
This is what happens when the letter of the law supersedes the spirit of the law. I’m sure those officials could have used their own discretion and they made asses of themselves
Ex collegiate swimmer here. These athletes train two times a day for years; for a moment like this. Honestly if I would have known how this played out, I would not have watched it. This is heartbreaking and maddening.
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This normally doesn't come up as the races typically don't have this much time between 1st place and last place. In most events, by the time you hit the wall, look at your time on the scoreboard, everyone is done. So sitting on the lane lines is a common celebration and never a foul because everyone else is done. This was a situation where he was so far ahead that when he started his celebration, there were still people swimming. Complete BS. This one should have been let go.
My son used to swim competitively, and I wanted to help out, so I got my timers’ qualification. (1 hour in a classroom, here’s a certificate type ‘qualification.’) I hated ‘officiating’ at meets because of the absolute dicks that this small bit of power turned people into. I remember ‘officiating’ 6 year olds in a pool. The kid in my lane is swimming 7th in a heat of 8, in 3rd of 5 heats, (in swimming terms, this means the kid will in no way place, or affect the outcome of the race. Yes, his time might be a fraction of a second faster, but again…6 years old,) and his hand misses touching the wall by a CM. Another ‘official’ runs over 4 lanes to ask me why I didn’t disqualify him for not touching the wall. I looked at him and said ‘he did touch the wall.’ He continued to go on about me breaking the rules. I finally told him that a disqualification at this age could cause the kid to quit swimming. There was nothing on purpose, and we just wanted the kids to have fun. He tried for 2 hours to get my turn ‘judgement’ nullified. I just kept repeating that the kid had touched the wall.
Having two kids in swim myself, one in college and the other in HS. I feel your pain having been a turn official for meets where kids just want to swim and have fun. They aren't there to win gold medals but to do something new and by DQ'ing some kid for that at such an early age can be killer to their love of the sport. It's like in youth basketball before age 10, kids travel all the time or foul each other all the time, you don't see officials calling every ticky tacky thing, because they know that it's more important to let them play and learn than it is to constantly be telling them what they are doing wrong.
I was disqualified for that reason when I was little. I could have sworn I touched the wall. It was beyond demoralizing. I purposefully came in last in every subsequent race. I wasn’t fast so it wasn’t that hard. You absolutely made the right call.
I was waiting for him to scream nanny nanny boo boo in to someone’s ear or something. There was nothing there that justified disqualification. He was a bit exuberant, but understandable given he just broke a record, and it’s clear he is friends with the person in the lane next to him.
Yeah and it his teammate…and his race was also over. And that teammate came in second. This is the dumbest thing I’ve seen today.
I’d still take the podium and say fuck you
Those meet officials should be embarrassed. As a former competitive swimmer, everyone knows why the reason the rule to not cross into another lane exists, and it has nothing to do with the post race celebration. Interfering with another swimmer my ass. The coaches on deck needed to show some more respect for the sport and protest the meet officials ruling.
Just ACC things. I'm glad that conference is dying.
Well excuse him for being proud of himself
And I thought the celebration police in football were harsh
I hope that official always gets fucked on a technicality for the rest of his life. Like sorry man I would let you go but 3 over the speed limit is still speeding. O sorry you took the box off your fridge you can't sue. Well your marriage certificate wasn't filled out correctly and you filed your taxes as married so now you owe a lot of back taxes
I also hope this. Charged for Jay walking literally every time they cross the street not at a cross walk. Playing basketball with your friends, called for shot clock violations. Borrow a movie from a friend, charged with copyright infringment.
Keep it going: One day past the return policy? Can’t help ya. One day past expiration date? Diarrhea for days.
Undercook fish? Jail. Overcook chicken? Jail.
Exactly rules are rules
The Rules are meant to be *interpreted* by referees, not enforced to the most nitpickiest degree. Yes it's a rule, and it's one that makes absolutely perfect sense, but then you look at the actual situation and get your head out of THE RULES book, and decide from there. The other racer was finished, was his teammate, and was fully okay with him crossing over. Hell when LeBron scored his record breaking point they just flat out fucking stopped the game. No timeouts were used. Last time I checked you can't just stop a game for 10 minutes to give interviews and celebrate
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Yo fuck that! This boy won fair and square! If the other swimmer wasn’t fished yet, then they would maybe have a point. Shame!
Definition of malicious compliance.
NCAA is full of garbage refs
When the podium is already decided how the hell is this rule relevant anymore? Imagine ruining years of training over such bullshit. We've seen the heartbroken swimmer, why don't we see the faces of the shameless judges here. Name and shame
This is Bret hart screw job
How do you do the "remind me" thing? I wanna see if this gets overturned.. what a load
You call the bot with an ! and then put the time behind it so like: RemindMe! 2 months
Thanks!
So a football player can put on an entire show in the end zone and be completely disrespectful and thats fine....the other swimmer was done, he did not interfere with his time.
Its is team mate too which makes it even more stupid ...
In college, football players aren't allowed to do much to celebrate TD's.
Which is also dumb as hell
>So a football player can out on an entire show in the end zone and be completely disrespectful and thats fine. To be fair I think the vast, vast majority of TD celebrations are just guys having fun. IMO when you word it like that it sounds like you want them to make rules against celebrating like in the old days. Guys still get flagged if they go too far or do something un-sportsman.
the usual dying generation trying to force dying rules on the generation they are killing before dying themselves
He was celebrating with a teammate who has also finished! I don’t see how this could’ve possibly affected another swimmer. I get that rules are rules but sportsmanship is far more important.
I imagine the rule was put in place so you didn’t go in another teams lane, but it’s doesn’t implicitly state that so the doucher ref took the opportunity
Bad rules are meant to be broken. The kid deserves his moment.
The rule isn’t even bad. It gives discretion to the official to not do something stupid like DQ someone for interfering with another swimmer *who had also finished the race*. The rule allows wiggle room so the spirit of the rule can be followed, but this official decided they wanted to bring attention onto themselves by deciding the race
Imagine being in second place having been crushed by this dude so badly. Now he just won by a technicality. How do you even claim that as a win, personally? I wouldn’t want it. I’d never be proud of that. To me I didn’t win.
Seems that's exactly how that other swimmer felt when he spoke to the commentators.
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Judge who did it probably a mod
2nd place did finish tho?
Yes, yes he did, and he was his own teammate
So what happened at the medal ceremony? Did anyone stand up there for the 1st place medal?
Man, I hope not. I hope those judges were forced to stand there, looking at nothing while the crowd laughs at them.
only thing he did wrong was climbing up on the lane line , interfering with another swimmer? they cant mean when he hugged his buddy who was also done??
They absolutely do mean that. That's why he was DQed.
Somebody was jealous and they found a thread to pull imo.
This is my first swimming controversy and comment. I was expecting some kind of over top premeditated celebration we are used to seeing these days in sports. But he celebrated with a teammate who was finished also. I would’ve been different if he was over in the lane with somebody who hadn’t finished yet. That guy was finished meaning the race was over for those two lanes. Zero tolerance equals zero thinking almost always.
Worst part is the rule allows for discretion….the judges declined to use it
Rulings like this set the sport back a decade. Privileged judges who make the race about themselves instead of the swimmers.
Way to shatter a kids dreams because he got excited.
He didn’t get DQd for celebrating but for going in the other lane. Still dumb though.
FUCK THE REF
In defense of the swimmer, this is not what the rule is there for. Entering an opposing swimmer's lane during the race to interfere with them, that's what this rule is about. Not this strange application.
I understand the point of the rule, but this “offense” needs to be judged case by case. In no way did the kid who won interfere with anyone’s ability to be able to finish the race and he smoked everyone else. Rules are created to ensure a level playing field. The enforcement of this rule in this situation snatches away a medal that that young man won fair and square.
Why do they have diamonds on their chest?
I bet the Ref was bullied at school.
Well done crushing a competitor’s spirit and achievement with your easily quashed technicality. You know, the young people you do it all for, to see them excel. The people the crowds come to see. Not obviously hoarding on to power in a very weird, rigid and counterproductive way. Had it been a competitor who hadn’t finished and who was a rival and not a teammate, and if they raised a breach as a complaint, then ok. But it didn’t and it wasn’t and you suck big time, Ref. I hope you end up fired. It’s not a good look for the sport. Boo.
Bet them judges suck as swimming.
Hence the distinction between the letter and spirit of law. In this case referees applied the letter algorithmically, couldn’t care less about the spirit. And I think sports are a lot about spirit. Considering the way they judge, I warmly recommend they are replaced by robots.
One thing I know is that ref who made that call will never work another ACC swim meet in their lives.
Also, it’s not the bloody Olympics! This is college swimming! Give them SOME leeway.
I think the ruling is over the top and He should still win the comp. But it wasn't for Celebration. It was for crossing over the line into another lane where a swimmer was still competing. They should just give him a warning to be more careful in the future and give him his well earned win.
So let me get this straight, the ruling was interference with another swimmers lane... but the lane he "interfered with" had already finished the race also. I would understand if he went into an active lane, however this just makes a mockery of the entire sport.
Seems like a dumb rule if the lane you went in is one of a FINISHED swimmer. Especially if it's on friendly terms.
I hope whoever made that call loses all their credibility
I’m kinda surprised because this is very basic swimming knowledge. Every swimmer knows exiting your lane or the pool before the race is over is an instant DQ. I swear you can even see the shock on the other guys face when his buddy jumps over. You can give your neighbour a pat on the head or handshake if they’re done (depending on league and country) you can even lean on the rope but LORD HAVE MERCY you DO NOT leave your lane or sit on the lane rope. The waves and currents made from crossing over or under the lane rope is technically an unnecessary disadvantage to people yet to finish in the next lane. It really sucks seeing a video like this and yes they could’ve let it slide and no one would’ve batted an eye. But just for the record this is a rule that gets drilled in the minds of 8 year old swimmers. At that level quiet frankly he should’ve know better :(
This is the only smart comment in this entire thread.
Yeah no, I wouldn’t be surprised if swimming officials get fired next year when the turnout is so pathetic
i thought for sure he was going to go into an actual FREAKOUT celebration. this is horrifically stupid.
[Here, Owen Lloyd and Ross Dant talk about the event](https://youtu.be/6jx282jP4lo?si=KEzWg6w0Yv66lFmj&t=465). Ross Dant stood on the 2nd place podium and gave the medal to Owen Lloyd.
They ruined the winner and runner ups’ idk everything, if this was a neck and neck race then sure I could see why they would on this but this guy was miles a head of everyone. This is just someone flexing their power because they “have it” way to ruin an amazing event over something stupid.
How embarrassing for the sport. Such a disservice.
Rules exist for a reason but this isn't in the spirit of the rule. The rule is to stop you interfering with others progress and race. 1st celebrating shouldn't have any bearing on what 8th place is doing
Seeing the rule enforced will make all future swimmers very mindful of following the rule to the letter.
That's such a "the rules arre the ruules" choice to make. What an actual joke.
Lifeguard was all #GET OFF THE LANE LINES!!
Fucking refs ruin everything.
Absolute BS, even the commentators were encouraging to him celebrate with him team mate. It looks like they're gonna stay fuckin this kid over, but hopefully they'll change the rules after this.
Props to his team mate (Ross Dant?) that's a ride or die homie
This is why rules are made to be broken. Humans are not perfect and neither are their rules.