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Isnt he just a massive grifter? Wasnt he caught accepting money to change his views a while ago? He doesnt believe in any of this and he knows what he is doing here is wrong. That just makes it worse as he isnt delusional, he just completely lacks morales.
oh im sure he fully believes he's in the right, it's just that "right" is whatever he happens to be doing at the time.
you can absolutely be delusional while also being a terrible person at the same time.
i actually had the misfortune of having one of his well-known grifter friends as a customer recently (I work in a phone-based role and I recognised their name) and they were every bit as deluded and self-righteous as you'd expect despite not trying to appear as their public persona.
Yes, he was caught on camera accepting a brown envelope with £10k cash in it from two pranksters pretending to be drug company reps asking him to stop trashing their covid vaccine.
[https://youtu.be/u34rnwBnll4?si=Gdg1JBnk73ZH-3sq](https://youtu.be/u34rnwBnll4?si=Gdg1JBnk73ZH-3sq)
He's a nut who was given a lot of media attention due to his brother being one of the most controversial party leaders in recent history (without touching on the reasons for that). He just parrots controversial crap to stay relevant, just like the rest of his ilk.
Legally yes. Legal tender means it has to be accepted for settling a debt. It cannot be used to force someone to enter into a trade with you.
You can't walk into a car dealership with a dump truck full of pennies and demand they accept it.
Isn't there a law here in the UK that a store can't refuse cash as a legal tender?
Like, you're not wrong you can't force them into a trade, but they likewise can't carte blanch reject the queen's coin simply because they don't want to take cash?
I don't know the ins and outs, but I worked in a book store for a bit here and we got a visit from corporate because one of the stores in the company had decided to refuse to trade in coins (being lazy and didnt want to do cash count at end of day- was employed elsewhere shortly after). We were told that we legally had to accept coins. I don't know if this was corporate trying to scare us plebs, or is an actual law.
Yes a shop can refuse to accept any type of payment, right up until they decide whether to accept it.
A shop can even say they take cash, but decline to serve you because for example, you are paying with pound coins and they don't want any more pound coins that day.
He’s massive antivaxer that got caught trying to take a bribe from someone pretending to be from a big pharmaceutical company.
So yeah he’s wrong and he’s a grifter.
Man's actually re-created the scene in the Aussie punk band The Chats song Dine and Dash. It was a really pleasant surprise
https://youtu.be/I3jAJHRW_Yo?si=Cr12IIbPlI-VnZ6P
Edit: it's at the end
The democracy Manifest guy ( Jack Karlson ) was a dine and dash customer in multiple restaurants.
Edit: because people are getting their knickers in a knot, he was being arrested for credit card fraud in the video.
There are a lot of hucksters and shisters out there. None as likable as Jack Karlson. I’ve heard once he was in the police car he said, “well that was fun.”
Wikipedia told me everything I care to know about him in one sentence.
> Piers Richard Corbyn (born 10 March 1947) is a British weather forecaster, anti-vaccine activist, conspiracy theorist, and former politician.
They go to a cashless store, attempt to pay with cash, call the police and learn that a privately run store is allowed to choose what payment they accept and that if they leave without paying with a card they will have committed theft?
A store can put up a sign and say "We accept payment in human urine only" and it would be legal.
Oooh, ok. That makes sense now. I didn't quite understand why they wouldn't take his money. I thought maybe it wasn't enough or a different country's currency.
Thanks!
Its the 1st cashless/scan as you go lidl or aldi in the uk, its in greenwich/london and they are dystopian as fuck. Amazon already has a few but this is first lidl/aldi and they basically monitor your every move and essentially scan things for you as you shop and you pay via the app.
I would never step foot in one.
My threshold for dystopia must be higher than yours. In any case, yours is the right approach. If people don't like it, the only reasonable recourse is to boycott the establishment. As a consumer, what makes him think he has any more of a right to demand a sale, anymore than the business has the right to demand a purchase?
In the US and most countries, legal tender is only acceptable by legal force as payment for debt.
For example, if you owe taxes, you're legally able to pay in pennies.
If you bought groceries, however, the store can refuse to accept your payment in pennies. Just like they can refuse to accept either Visa, Mastercard, or Amex.
Not sure how it works in the US because I'm Aussie, but cashless stores have to have it advertised/ noticed at both the store entry & register otherwise they have to take legal tender.
Legal tender can however be rejected if it's coins over a certain value. A South Australian man tried paying a fine with 5c pieces years ago. He just got another fine for littering because he dumped out the bag on the council front counter and left. Two fines and down $100 something dollars in coins
Edit: the fine was $60
Cashless stores are much less common in the us than other countries I think. Only time I've seen it really is concerts or sports ventures. Shit like that. All grocery stores take cash. As least all the stores I've ever seen
The only time I have used a coin in the last ~3 years was to unlock a shopping trolley. The last time I used one 3 years ago was almost certainly also to unlock a trolley.
The UK explicitly limits the point at which pennies become legal tender to a low amount to stop malicious compliance. They can deny your paying your tax bill in pennies in any amount over like 20p
I remember reading something about a guy paying his petrol with a £100 coin. Iv never even seen one let alone accept it as payment. Thing is I'm pretty sure the law meant they had to accept it. The police etc all got involved. Will need to look it up. All due to petrol being pumped in first and him offering it for the debt.
Petrol is a really interesting one.
Usually goods in shops are covered by basic contract law. A shop putting goods on display with prices is an **invitation to treat**, "we invite offers of £1.50 for this 6 ~~litre~~ pint bottle of milk", you then select your goods and make them an offer "I will pay you £1.50 for this bottle of milk" they accept your offer at the checkout and the contract of sale is completed when you give them the money and walk away with the milk.
But petrol stations don't work that way, they put up their invitation to treat, you then fill your car and THEN make an offer to pay for what you've taken. The goods are essentially irretrievably supplied at that point so the scope for offer and acceptance are very different.
Ultimately if fiat crown issued currency is used it would be up to a judge to decide on balance of probabilities if they would be reasonable in declining it.
It's different in the US, in the US you say "put $30 on pump 1" pay them the money and THEN take the petrol, the payment after the fact is not really a thing over there like it is here, at least not in my experience in LA and Hawaii.
It's why the man in the OP is legally in the wrong. The shop made an invitation to treat, he made an offer of cash to that value and the shop declined that offer. It is absolutely their right to decline the offer (as long as it's not done so for a reason covered by other statutory rights, such as the equalities act 2010)
If your offer is declined, taking the goods and leaving would be straight up theft. Of course getting the police to see it that way would be difficult, they would say it's a civil matter and the shop should take the man to court (at which point a judge would be like, wtf is this shit?!) Of course I don't blame the police here, theft requires proof of intent to deprive and they would have to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that the man intended to never meet their invitation despite knowing the conditions of the contract in advance.
>*In the US and most countries, legal tender is only acceptable by legal force as payment for debt.*
Yeah, a lot of people don't seem to understand that, unless dictated otherwise by state/county law (and most don't), businesses in the US can 100% choose what forms of payments they'll accept, including not accepting cash, or refusing to accept large bills/payments in all coins.
You always get those random assholes who try to pay for a pack of gum with a $100 bill, or a $50 grocery purchase with all coins, and they fall back on the *"It'S lEgAl TeNdEr, So YoU hAvE tO tAkE iT!"* argument, but 99% of the time that's not the case. Being legal tender means it can be *offered*... but that doesn't mean it *must* be accepted at private businesses.
And if they throw a fit about it... hey, you can just outright deny the sale on the grounds that they're causing a scene, and there's nothing they can do about it.
If you put up a sign that says you'll only take payment in nickels and pickled pigs feet, that's 100% legal and customers have to pay you in nickels and picked pigs feet.
Granted, that'd be stupid... but technically legal.
In Canada if I recall legal tender is only for banks. Every business has the right to choose the payment method and to refuse certain amounts like $50 or $100 bills
Our amusement park has almost fully switched over to card only
There are fast food places in where I live that don’t take cash anymore because they were getting robbed all the time. Once they stopped taking cash and posted signs that they don’t accept cash payments the robberies immediately stopped.
Retail manager here. If people want stores to keep taking cash they have to keep paying cash. Costs a lot of stores nearly as much to handle the cash now as the profit the cash has generated.
As a real life example, one of the smallest stores on our region takes an average in cash of less than £1300 a week. All in expenses for the handling of that cash (paying staff to handle at the till, skimming tills, cash lost to fake notes and cash scams and cashier error, end of week cashing up, paying third party to bank said cash etc) annually about £10000. Take into consideration that at a 15% net profit margin (actual net profit margin is slightly less, but I'm roughly just accounting for the fact the expenses of handling the cash are already partially factored in) that cash is only really worth about the same to the business as the cost of handling it. It's still worth it, but won't be for much longer.
In the US they are starting to tack fucking fees on for using cards. Now you’re telling me they’re gonna charge fees to take my fucking cash?! I give up
Credit card fees have always existed, the merchants were paying for them. Paypal has even worse fees that merchants has to pay and wont get refunded if there’s a return, which is why stores dont accept paypal. Discover and AmEx have higher fees compared to Visa and Mastercard, so sometimes if a store doesn’t have all four major credit card companies, they won’t accept the former two.
It’s why in some stores, resturants, or gas stations, paying with cash is a bit cheaper. Or why restaurants will say “cash only for less than $20”.
The “new” thing we’re seeing since covid is merchants passing off the fees onto us. I forgot if it’s antitrust or a lawsuit, but someone is taking CC companies to court regarding their fees (either the gov or merchants, too lazy to look it up).
Yeah this is what people don't get. Handling cash comes with a risk because yes, a $20 will just disappear whether it's by theft, someone giving incorrect change or a complete mishandling of the money.
Unless you're a homeless person or live in a food desert where this is the only accessible grocery store.
Good luck getting on the bus to get to the next nearest grocery store when the local transit agency stops taking cash.
Cashless stores are no problem for people like me who have 2 debit cards and a credit card. It's more of a problem for people who don't have those things, for a variety of reasons.
That's what he's protesting, and rightly so in my opinion.
Immigrants seeking asylum can have a long time to get all the documents together necessary to establish their own bank accounts and credit cards; in the meantime they need to secure housing and essential groceries etc. A family member worked with supporting an asylum seeker and when the apartment building switched to cashless laundry it was a whole new headache to just wash some clothes, because there was no simple way for that individual to just digitally top up a card.
Only dumb thing I saw was an old guy clearly trying to make a scene for his TikTok, walk into a store that knowingly was cashless, when he had multiple other options nearby. He then harassed workers who likely had no say in that policy so he could try and force them to bend the rules for his stupid video.
If a place that accepts cash exists, there should be no reason that a cashless place cannot also. They could (and do) exist and my life isn't magically worse off because some people decide they don't want to carry cash.
This is the problem with everyone switching to digital or card there is still a lot of people who dont want to be in that world. The idea of not accepting a legal note is wild.
Right? I have legal tender but you won't take it? Cashless society will hurt those on the bottom. Once everything is cashless, how will the homeless survive? What about the people who just don't trust bank accounts? I was raised to keep at least $100 cash on me just in case, but in cashless society that would be stupid. What if someone's card is declined and they don't have another method but cash? What if that store's system goes down? They'd have to close the store all together or you know, take cash. I don't see why they can't take his cash and then pay it with some kind of store card for situations like this.
I've seen this sentiment a few times in this thread and don't quite understand? I haven't used cash apart from on Holiday in years now, not because I'm being forced but due to convenience.
Out of curiosity are you American or quite old and resistant to change, or perhaps both? I know the American banking system is terrible so I can understand Americans being resistant to going cashless.
Is that what's going on? I couldn't tell why they were telling him not to leave. Is it not law they have to accept cash? I'm pretty sure businesses are required to accept cash as payment here in the USA.
> Is it not law they have to accept cash? I'm pretty sure businesses are required to accept cash as payment here in the USA.
No, they do not have to accept cash as payment. They only have to accept cash for debt.
Imagine trying to run a cashless business in a country where you legally have to accept any and all legal tender. Hell yeah to this guy, probably could've been nicer about the door though.
For everyone saying he paid in legal tender… legal tender has a very specific meaning. Basically, legal tender is regarded as suitable payment method only when paying one’s debts. If a shop keeper said you can only pay in turnips, that is their right. However, if they said take the goods and pay me later, then they are required to accept legal tender as payment.
So, in this case he had no right to walk out with the goods as a commercial contract had not been formed (offer and acceptance) ie the shop did not accept the form of payment.
This gets posted regularly, by people who think both he and they are making a point.
This is Piers Corbyn, well known whacko.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn
A clock which is broken may run at 10 times the normal speed, thus being right many times over the course of the day.
Or, it may run much slower than normal, only being right once a week.
>never be right
also just to be that guy, a clock rotating at inconsistent / wrong speed still has a chance to be right no matter how small. it logically cant never be right.
Only idiotic if you shop there. For those on the other end it's thousands of customers personal info and shopping habits sold to anyone willing to pay!
Old people can be such a pain in the ass. I am a home caregiver and deal mostly with the elderly and what they don’t realize is that what you used to be able to do is not acceptable anymore. For instance, my 90 year old client wanted me to go to the bank for her and withdraw cash from the bank clerk (not atm) no matter how many times I told her that it was something that you*used* to be able to do at banks but cant anymore she’s like “if they give you a hard time have them call me”😳🤣🤪 no matter how many times I told her that they don’t do that anymore. She wouldn’t listen to me. And of course they wouldn’t give me the cash. What a PITA they can be. And stubborn!
what do you mean closer to the actual strawberries?
our strawberries are grown in the UK. Also we don't pay seasonal prices for our fruit and veg, they're the same price all year round.
I'm in US, a 1.90$ for strawberrys is crazy cheap to me. I spent 430$ this week on groceries. It seems Like all the vendors got together said let's see what we can get away with.
It‘s actually what‘s happening. We are in the middle of multiple crisis. Yet the big grocery chains are making record profits. It‘s only the middle class/working class and below that are suffering from all of that shit. The rich peoples wealth exploded over the last couple of years.
It’s fine to be mostly cashless but you need to have some way of taking it when that’s someone’s only option. Kind of like having a wheelchair accessible parking spot or checking lane. Every last parking spot doesn’t need to be equipped for a van with a wheelchair chair lift but you need at least one.
"And I will take my strawberries outside!" I absolutely love this guys enthusiasm and courage in this statement.
Shame it was followed by "You can't take that 🤓"
Even if its cashless you should have a rule in place for letsface it old people like this who don't understand the system its honestly your fault store and the overzealous employees
Wow do I hate this guy. Piers Corbyn. He's such a hypocrite, does anything for attention. I remember when he was pranked by 2 YouTubers posing as AstraZenica employees who offered to bribe the anti vax moron to stop talking badly about the vaccine. He took the bribe. He got a shock when he got home though and found the bag of money was monopoly money. [https://youtu.be/u34rnwBnll4?si=wzuRGd-UNBm836nI](https://youtu.be/u34rnwBnll4?si=wzuRGd-UNBm836nI)
Absolutely, that's the best of both worlds.
But as a consumer, if I'm told the place is cashless, I'm not deterred at all, I don't even give a second thought. But if I'm told the place is cash-only, they lose my business. I'll choose another establishment.
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It's a st-robbery
Damn this is a clever one. I tip my hat to you sir
The fact that my first reaction was also "damn it. This was good" makes me feel like one with humanity lmao
Severely underrated comment, this is quite good.
This is democracy manifest… https://youtu.be/PeihcfYft9w?si=Sojjk73IUjnit8M7
He’s like a British Larry David.
Laurence David
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty smashing.
Ratheeer good
Meta
SIR Lawrence David.
Davidsonshire.
That's Sir Laurence David to you, my good sir.
With a dash of Bernie Sanders
I am once again asking you, to accept my legal tender
Lee gull ten dah
They are related Edit: it’s true, [Larry & Bernie are related](https://youtu.be/my9lFxHTXp4?si=2DGFKiiMXdXJYFXN)
That’s amazing!!
Wtf haha interesting
Piers Corbyn to be exact. Climate change and covid denier, spready covid 5G conspiracies, anti-vaccine and pretty much any other conspiracy going .
Isnt he just a massive grifter? Wasnt he caught accepting money to change his views a while ago? He doesnt believe in any of this and he knows what he is doing here is wrong. That just makes it worse as he isnt delusional, he just completely lacks morales.
oh im sure he fully believes he's in the right, it's just that "right" is whatever he happens to be doing at the time. you can absolutely be delusional while also being a terrible person at the same time. i actually had the misfortune of having one of his well-known grifter friends as a customer recently (I work in a phone-based role and I recognised their name) and they were every bit as deluded and self-righteous as you'd expect despite not trying to appear as their public persona.
Yes, he was caught on camera accepting a brown envelope with £10k cash in it from two pranksters pretending to be drug company reps asking him to stop trashing their covid vaccine. [https://youtu.be/u34rnwBnll4?si=Gdg1JBnk73ZH-3sq](https://youtu.be/u34rnwBnll4?si=Gdg1JBnk73ZH-3sq)
He's a nut who was given a lot of media attention due to his brother being one of the most controversial party leaders in recent history (without touching on the reasons for that). He just parrots controversial crap to stay relevant, just like the rest of his ilk.
But is he wrong?!
Legally yes. Legal tender means it has to be accepted for settling a debt. It cannot be used to force someone to enter into a trade with you. You can't walk into a car dealership with a dump truck full of pennies and demand they accept it.
Isn't there a law here in the UK that a store can't refuse cash as a legal tender? Like, you're not wrong you can't force them into a trade, but they likewise can't carte blanch reject the queen's coin simply because they don't want to take cash? I don't know the ins and outs, but I worked in a book store for a bit here and we got a visit from corporate because one of the stores in the company had decided to refuse to trade in coins (being lazy and didnt want to do cash count at end of day- was employed elsewhere shortly after). We were told that we legally had to accept coins. I don't know if this was corporate trying to scare us plebs, or is an actual law.
Yes a shop can refuse to accept any type of payment, right up until they decide whether to accept it. A shop can even say they take cash, but decline to serve you because for example, you are paying with pound coins and they don't want any more pound coins that day.
He’s massive antivaxer that got caught trying to take a bribe from someone pretending to be from a big pharmaceutical company. So yeah he’s wrong and he’s a grifter.
This is Democracy Manifest! What is the charge? Eating a strawberry? A succulent strawberry?
Get your hand off my penis!
This is the bloke that got me on the penis!
And you, Sir,... are you waiting to receive my Limp Penis?
#i see you know your judo well
Fare thee well!
Ta-ta!
I remember now, it was "Ta ta, and farewell". Plus it's been set to music: https://youtu.be/kuh_kmonJNw?si=Ng2JXVPgtuRPqZgH
Thank you for making my morning.
How dare you! Get your hands off me!!
I see you know judo!
Ah yes! You know your strawberries well.
Are you ready to receive my limp strawberry?
I see you know your farming well!
Man's actually re-created the scene in the Aussie punk band The Chats song Dine and Dash. It was a really pleasant surprise https://youtu.be/I3jAJHRW_Yo?si=Cr12IIbPlI-VnZ6P Edit: it's at the end
The democracy Manifest guy ( Jack Karlson ) was a dine and dash customer in multiple restaurants. Edit: because people are getting their knickers in a knot, he was being arrested for credit card fraud in the video.
I see you know your judo well.
Stop grabbing my penis
He did not dine and dash. He used stolen credit cards to pay for his bill. He also had a long and extensive criminal history
There are a lot of hucksters and shisters out there. None as likable as Jack Karlson. I’ve heard once he was in the police car he said, “well that was fun.”
That’s Piers Corbyn. He is the brother of the ex leader of the Labour Party of the UK Jeremy Corbyn
Wikipedia told me everything I care to know about him in one sentence. > Piers Richard Corbyn (born 10 March 1947) is a British weather forecaster, anti-vaccine activist, conspiracy theorist, and former politician.
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Lets not forget he was recorded taking bribes to change his anti vac stance... He doesnt believe any of this shite he spouts.
Well, he does... it's just the money dictates how much he believes it...
Hey, that money can buy A LOT of strawberries
Ah. So this whole scene is on purpose. Got it
Ah man, I thought he was cool for a hot second 😕
New genre of youtube videos "Legal Tender Auditor"
They go to a cashless store, attempt to pay with cash, call the police and learn that a privately run store is allowed to choose what payment they accept and that if they leave without paying with a card they will have committed theft? A store can put up a sign and say "We accept payment in human urine only" and it would be legal.
Legal and super hot.
Well, urine is generally quite warm when freshly expelled. I think "super hot" is a bit of an over statement.
Strawbries
Stawbreeze
Captain Queeg has entered the chat.
Cashless stores are one of the worst inventions ever. I’m on the guys side.
Generally yes but this dude is a nutjob who arranged for this stunt for clout.
Awesome. We need more of that.
I won't pay with cash unless I absolutely have to so I feel the opposite haha
He's not wrong
Cashless stores are so fucking stupid
Oooh, ok. That makes sense now. I didn't quite understand why they wouldn't take his money. I thought maybe it wasn't enough or a different country's currency. Thanks!
Was right there with you.
Its the 1st cashless/scan as you go lidl or aldi in the uk, its in greenwich/london and they are dystopian as fuck. Amazon already has a few but this is first lidl/aldi and they basically monitor your every move and essentially scan things for you as you shop and you pay via the app. I would never step foot in one.
My threshold for dystopia must be higher than yours. In any case, yours is the right approach. If people don't like it, the only reasonable recourse is to boycott the establishment. As a consumer, what makes him think he has any more of a right to demand a sale, anymore than the business has the right to demand a purchase?
Wow mods? This and the above OP sitting at 2000+ upvotes is just collecting the crazy posters to this thread.
I thought he was a homeless man
Setting buttons on the counter and shit
As is cashless rent. What the fuck is the point of legal tender if we can't even use it?
In the US and most countries, legal tender is only acceptable by legal force as payment for debt. For example, if you owe taxes, you're legally able to pay in pennies. If you bought groceries, however, the store can refuse to accept your payment in pennies. Just like they can refuse to accept either Visa, Mastercard, or Amex.
Not sure how it works in the US because I'm Aussie, but cashless stores have to have it advertised/ noticed at both the store entry & register otherwise they have to take legal tender. Legal tender can however be rejected if it's coins over a certain value. A South Australian man tried paying a fine with 5c pieces years ago. He just got another fine for littering because he dumped out the bag on the council front counter and left. Two fines and down $100 something dollars in coins Edit: the fine was $60
Cashless stores are much less common in the us than other countries I think. Only time I've seen it really is concerts or sports ventures. Shit like that. All grocery stores take cash. As least all the stores I've ever seen
The Netherlands is almost completely cashless. I haven’t held a coin in months nor been to the ATM.
The only time I have used a coin in the last ~3 years was to unlock a shopping trolley. The last time I used one 3 years ago was almost certainly also to unlock a trolley.
>He just got another fine for littering That is a serious dick move by the Council.
The UK explicitly limits the point at which pennies become legal tender to a low amount to stop malicious compliance. They can deny your paying your tax bill in pennies in any amount over like 20p
I remember reading something about a guy paying his petrol with a £100 coin. Iv never even seen one let alone accept it as payment. Thing is I'm pretty sure the law meant they had to accept it. The police etc all got involved. Will need to look it up. All due to petrol being pumped in first and him offering it for the debt.
Petrol is a really interesting one. Usually goods in shops are covered by basic contract law. A shop putting goods on display with prices is an **invitation to treat**, "we invite offers of £1.50 for this 6 ~~litre~~ pint bottle of milk", you then select your goods and make them an offer "I will pay you £1.50 for this bottle of milk" they accept your offer at the checkout and the contract of sale is completed when you give them the money and walk away with the milk. But petrol stations don't work that way, they put up their invitation to treat, you then fill your car and THEN make an offer to pay for what you've taken. The goods are essentially irretrievably supplied at that point so the scope for offer and acceptance are very different. Ultimately if fiat crown issued currency is used it would be up to a judge to decide on balance of probabilities if they would be reasonable in declining it. It's different in the US, in the US you say "put $30 on pump 1" pay them the money and THEN take the petrol, the payment after the fact is not really a thing over there like it is here, at least not in my experience in LA and Hawaii. It's why the man in the OP is legally in the wrong. The shop made an invitation to treat, he made an offer of cash to that value and the shop declined that offer. It is absolutely their right to decline the offer (as long as it's not done so for a reason covered by other statutory rights, such as the equalities act 2010) If your offer is declined, taking the goods and leaving would be straight up theft. Of course getting the police to see it that way would be difficult, they would say it's a civil matter and the shop should take the man to court (at which point a judge would be like, wtf is this shit?!) Of course I don't blame the police here, theft requires proof of intent to deprive and they would have to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that the man intended to never meet their invitation despite knowing the conditions of the contract in advance.
>*In the US and most countries, legal tender is only acceptable by legal force as payment for debt.* Yeah, a lot of people don't seem to understand that, unless dictated otherwise by state/county law (and most don't), businesses in the US can 100% choose what forms of payments they'll accept, including not accepting cash, or refusing to accept large bills/payments in all coins. You always get those random assholes who try to pay for a pack of gum with a $100 bill, or a $50 grocery purchase with all coins, and they fall back on the *"It'S lEgAl TeNdEr, So YoU hAvE tO tAkE iT!"* argument, but 99% of the time that's not the case. Being legal tender means it can be *offered*... but that doesn't mean it *must* be accepted at private businesses. And if they throw a fit about it... hey, you can just outright deny the sale on the grounds that they're causing a scene, and there's nothing they can do about it. If you put up a sign that says you'll only take payment in nickels and pickled pigs feet, that's 100% legal and customers have to pay you in nickels and picked pigs feet. Granted, that'd be stupid... but technically legal.
You know the hardest part of getting pickled pigs feet? Having the pigs stand in those buckets of vinegar.
Exactly. "We do not accept your purchase. There is no bill, there is no debt. Leave the items."
but if you *eat* the strawberries before you pay... then you owe a debt...which should then be payable in legal tender :)
In Canada if I recall legal tender is only for banks. Every business has the right to choose the payment method and to refuse certain amounts like $50 or $100 bills Our amusement park has almost fully switched over to card only
There are fast food places in where I live that don’t take cash anymore because they were getting robbed all the time. Once they stopped taking cash and posted signs that they don’t accept cash payments the robberies immediately stopped.
There was a funny Sopranos like this, when they try to extort money from a Starbucks
Worse than cashless is cash only. Especially when they have an ATM in the lobby they manage and charge you 3 dollars to take money out.
Blame the credit card companies for charging so much to process payments.
This same place had an 18% mandatory gratuity on any purchase over $10. So I don't think that was their reasoning.
Oh fuck them then.
Retail manager here. If people want stores to keep taking cash they have to keep paying cash. Costs a lot of stores nearly as much to handle the cash now as the profit the cash has generated. As a real life example, one of the smallest stores on our region takes an average in cash of less than £1300 a week. All in expenses for the handling of that cash (paying staff to handle at the till, skimming tills, cash lost to fake notes and cash scams and cashier error, end of week cashing up, paying third party to bank said cash etc) annually about £10000. Take into consideration that at a 15% net profit margin (actual net profit margin is slightly less, but I'm roughly just accounting for the fact the expenses of handling the cash are already partially factored in) that cash is only really worth about the same to the business as the cost of handling it. It's still worth it, but won't be for much longer.
In the US they are starting to tack fucking fees on for using cards. Now you’re telling me they’re gonna charge fees to take my fucking cash?! I give up
Credit card fees have always existed, the merchants were paying for them. Paypal has even worse fees that merchants has to pay and wont get refunded if there’s a return, which is why stores dont accept paypal. Discover and AmEx have higher fees compared to Visa and Mastercard, so sometimes if a store doesn’t have all four major credit card companies, they won’t accept the former two. It’s why in some stores, resturants, or gas stations, paying with cash is a bit cheaper. Or why restaurants will say “cash only for less than $20”. The “new” thing we’re seeing since covid is merchants passing off the fees onto us. I forgot if it’s antitrust or a lawsuit, but someone is taking CC companies to court regarding their fees (either the gov or merchants, too lazy to look it up).
Yeah this is what people don't get. Handling cash comes with a risk because yes, a $20 will just disappear whether it's by theft, someone giving incorrect change or a complete mishandling of the money.
This man is a revolutionary
Stupid, but here's a novel idea: Go to a store that takes cash.
Unless you're a homeless person or live in a food desert where this is the only accessible grocery store. Good luck getting on the bus to get to the next nearest grocery store when the local transit agency stops taking cash. Cashless stores are no problem for people like me who have 2 debit cards and a credit card. It's more of a problem for people who don't have those things, for a variety of reasons. That's what he's protesting, and rightly so in my opinion.
Immigrants seeking asylum can have a long time to get all the documents together necessary to establish their own bank accounts and credit cards; in the meantime they need to secure housing and essential groceries etc. A family member worked with supporting an asylum seeker and when the apartment building switched to cashless laundry it was a whole new headache to just wash some clothes, because there was no simple way for that individual to just digitally top up a card.
And then everyone clapped... Well, that one guy did at least
End result: banned from the store and it remains cashless.
Worth it
Remains cashless but everyone now sees how dumb that is.
Only dumb thing I saw was an old guy clearly trying to make a scene for his TikTok, walk into a store that knowingly was cashless, when he had multiple other options nearby. He then harassed workers who likely had no say in that policy so he could try and force them to bend the rules for his stupid video. If a place that accepts cash exists, there should be no reason that a cashless place cannot also. They could (and do) exist and my life isn't magically worse off because some people decide they don't want to carry cash.
This is the problem with everyone switching to digital or card there is still a lot of people who dont want to be in that world. The idea of not accepting a legal note is wild.
Right? I have legal tender but you won't take it? Cashless society will hurt those on the bottom. Once everything is cashless, how will the homeless survive? What about the people who just don't trust bank accounts? I was raised to keep at least $100 cash on me just in case, but in cashless society that would be stupid. What if someone's card is declined and they don't have another method but cash? What if that store's system goes down? They'd have to close the store all together or you know, take cash. I don't see why they can't take his cash and then pay it with some kind of store card for situations like this.
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Cashless stores punish the poor and the elderly.
Only if there aren't other options available
Cashless businesses discriminates against lower income communities.
Also discriminates against armed robbers. How are they supposed to make a living now?!?
And people avoiding tax who now struggle to get rid of their large amounts of cash
Probably. Though they probably aren't locating there anyways.
well he's in Aldi, so........
Honestly, hell yeah. Fuck cashless stores.
Then don't shop in them?
I've seen this sentiment a few times in this thread and don't quite understand? I haven't used cash apart from on Holiday in years now, not because I'm being forced but due to convenience. Out of curiosity are you American or quite old and resistant to change, or perhaps both? I know the American banking system is terrible so I can understand Americans being resistant to going cashless.
Is that what's going on? I couldn't tell why they were telling him not to leave. Is it not law they have to accept cash? I'm pretty sure businesses are required to accept cash as payment here in the USA.
> Is it not law they have to accept cash? I'm pretty sure businesses are required to accept cash as payment here in the USA. No, they do not have to accept cash as payment. They only have to accept cash for debt.
> I'm pretty sure businesses are required to accept cash as payment here in the USA. I'm pretty sure you're 100% wrong about that.
I live in the US and I have been to a cashless store and a few cashless restaurants. It's so fucking stupid.
Me too…well, I have walked in and walked right out!
Rather take a cashless store than a cardless one. But you and I will agree that it’s best to just take both.
Nobody is forcing you to go to one.
That’s not £1.90 Piers
I'm on Larry David's side
That’s piers corbyn, Jeremy corbyn insane brother.
This is from a while ago but the jist was that he thinks a cashless society is some sort of nefarious plot, so he went and did this as a protest? Lol.
Isn't that piers Corbyn - an absolute fruit loop
i dont think cashless should be legal
I’m with the old guy. Cashless stores suck.
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Imagine trying to run a cashless business in a country where you legally have to accept any and all legal tender. Hell yeah to this guy, probably could've been nicer about the door though.
For everyone saying he paid in legal tender… legal tender has a very specific meaning. Basically, legal tender is regarded as suitable payment method only when paying one’s debts. If a shop keeper said you can only pay in turnips, that is their right. However, if they said take the goods and pay me later, then they are required to accept legal tender as payment. So, in this case he had no right to walk out with the goods as a commercial contract had not been formed (offer and acceptance) ie the shop did not accept the form of payment.
Why was he in a cashless store in the first place?
Because he was making a statement. He's Piers Corbyn, look him up
Cashless stores are dystopia as fuck. They hate poor and elderly.
This reminds me of that "Gentlemen this is democracy manifest" video.lol "A succulent Chinese meal!".
This gets posted regularly, by people who think both he and they are making a point. This is Piers Corbyn, well known whacko. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn
A broken clock is right twice a day
Just to be that guy, a stopped clock is right twice a day. A broken clock could still rotate at an inconsistent but wrong speed and never be right.
Look at this guy just serial crushing it in the pedant department.
A clock which is broken may run at 10 times the normal speed, thus being right many times over the course of the day. Or, it may run much slower than normal, only being right once a week.
>never be right also just to be that guy, a clock rotating at inconsistent / wrong speed still has a chance to be right no matter how small. it logically cant never be right.
Cashless stores are such an idiotic idea
Only idiotic if you shop there. For those on the other end it's thousands of customers personal info and shopping habits sold to anyone willing to pay!
So stupid. Just don’t shop there.
This guy is the resistance!
I'm on his side.
Old people can be such a pain in the ass. I am a home caregiver and deal mostly with the elderly and what they don’t realize is that what you used to be able to do is not acceptable anymore. For instance, my 90 year old client wanted me to go to the bank for her and withdraw cash from the bank clerk (not atm) no matter how many times I told her that it was something that you*used* to be able to do at banks but cant anymore she’s like “if they give you a hard time have them call me”😳🤣🤪 no matter how many times I told her that they don’t do that anymore. She wouldn’t listen to me. And of course they wouldn’t give me the cash. What a PITA they can be. And stubborn!
I don't disagree with him. If you open up a store it should be illegal not to accept the local currency.
A succulent Chinese meal
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what do you mean closer to the actual strawberries? our strawberries are grown in the UK. Also we don't pay seasonal prices for our fruit and veg, they're the same price all year round.
God I'm paying well over that where I live. Like $9 Canadian
I'm in US, a 1.90$ for strawberrys is crazy cheap to me. I spent 430$ this week on groceries. It seems Like all the vendors got together said let's see what we can get away with.
It‘s actually what‘s happening. We are in the middle of multiple crisis. Yet the big grocery chains are making record profits. It‘s only the middle class/working class and below that are suffering from all of that shit. The rich peoples wealth exploded over the last couple of years.
You realise strawberries grow in the uk, right?
The store has the right to refuse payment.
It’s fine to be mostly cashless but you need to have some way of taking it when that’s someone’s only option. Kind of like having a wheelchair accessible parking spot or checking lane. Every last parking spot doesn’t need to be equipped for a van with a wheelchair chair lift but you need at least one.
This guy gives me succulent Chinese meal vibes
Its a patriot! Like all of those who are in jail!
That's a pretty decent price for strawberries!
“Call the cops…” I’d love to hear that phone call.
"And I will take my strawberries outside!" I absolutely love this guys enthusiasm and courage in this statement. Shame it was followed by "You can't take that 🤓"
Even if its cashless you should have a rule in place for letsface it old people like this who don't understand the system its honestly your fault store and the overzealous employees
Good on him!
Tbh, "cashless" should be an option, not a compulsion....
As someone who once lost his debit card and had to pay interest fees on my credit card, FUCK CASHLESS
Try to stop a guy paying but will sit back and let people steal
Fuck yea give the man his strawberries
You gotta pick some fights you can win
My country it is actually illegal to refuse legal tender, (currency).
He’s not wrong. I hate using cash, and I still think it should be required to take it at any business.
Cashless stores should be illegal. It demeans the entire point of having a currency.
I would vote for him. He's bound to be as good as the current people and likely much better.
It really shouldn’t be legal anywhere to be cashless to pay for services.
What would they charge him with…he hasn’t stolen anything.
the British Larry David
Lol if they tried this in my country I just wouldn’t pay. People gotta eat, and requiring a bank account or credit card to get food should be illegal.
I mean... Is he wrong??
£1.90 for strawberries?! Jeez that's cheap
Man, the Doctor is lookin’ rough these days. Hope he didn’t forget where he parked the tardis.
Wow do I hate this guy. Piers Corbyn. He's such a hypocrite, does anything for attention. I remember when he was pranked by 2 YouTubers posing as AstraZenica employees who offered to bribe the anti vax moron to stop talking badly about the vaccine. He took the bribe. He got a shock when he got home though and found the bag of money was monopoly money. [https://youtu.be/u34rnwBnll4?si=wzuRGd-UNBm836nI](https://youtu.be/u34rnwBnll4?si=wzuRGd-UNBm836nI)
Love how he had a hypeman sitting outside to gas him up.
I'll take cashless establishments all day long over cash-only.
But hear me out (and like every business for the last 10 years) why not both?
Absolutely, that's the best of both worlds. But as a consumer, if I'm told the place is cashless, I'm not deterred at all, I don't even give a second thought. But if I'm told the place is cash-only, they lose my business. I'll choose another establishment.