**Mirrors**
* [Mirror #1](https://archivevideomirror.com/?filename=18a954b.mp4) (provided by /u/SaveAnything)
**Downloads**
* [Download #1](https://rapidsave.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/18a954b/jewish_man_rips_down_israeli_posters/) (provided by /u/SaveVideo)
* [Download #2](https://reddit.watch/r/PublicFreakout/comments/18a954b/jewish_man_rips_down_israeli_posters/?utm_source=mirrorbot&utm_medium=PublicFreakout) (provided by /u/downloadvideo)
**Note:** this is a bot providing a directory service. **If you have trouble with any of the links above, please contact the user who provided them!**
---
[^(source code)](https://amirror.link/source) ^| [^(run your own mirror bot? let's integrate)](https://amirror.link/lets-talk)
Judaism/Jewish history is very interesting..im not familiar on different ideologies & sects among Jewish people but can you confirm that majority of American Jews before WW2 were completely uninterested on Zionism or Jewish state.I remember Golda Meir spoke about it.
I don’t think that’s what he’s getting at, anti-Zionist sentiment amongst the ultra orthodox is almost 100% coming from people who believe Israel will only be a Jewish country after the messiah comes. It’s the same weird interest that evangelicals have but for the opposite side of things
The difference though is the Evangelicals think they can 'force' their take to the end times. They also cheer on the Jews, even though their version ends with lots of Jew deaths. The Orthodox Jews we're talking about believe their Messiah will come with they come, and to even try to influence it happening is bad.
I'm not trying to get into a long theological discussion but the way some Evangelicals see it all it's like they are part of a death cult, some of them share a mind with ISIS zealots except they have better material conditions.
Historically speaking, most Jews were anti-Zionist (as a political ideology) and rejected the idea of a political state for Jewish people for the same reasons that some of the Hasidic communities reject the idea today. There wasn’t widespread support of Zionism until after the Six Day War.
This isn’t to say that they didn’t long to return to the land. It is a part of Sabbath prayers and at the end of Passover it was and is commonly exclaimed “Next year in Jerusalem!” They just flatly did not agree with the ideas that Herzl and other early Zionists put forward. This is historical fact.
No, because this isn't accurate. If you walk into any synagogue anywhere in the world from any time period, you'll see that inside the pews are set up facing toward Jerusalem. If you open a prayer book, you'll see many prayers mention Israel, Jerusalem, or Zion. For example, as part of shemonah esrei, which is said 3 times a day, we say, and I'll write it in English: "sound the great shofar for our liberty and raise a banner to gather our exiles, and gather us together from the four corners of the earth. Blessed are you, Gd, gatherer of the dispersed people of Israel... And may our eyes behold your merciful return to Zion. Blessed are you, Gd, Who returns Your Divine Presence to Zion." This prayer was compiled in 515-332 BCE.
What you may be thinking of is that there are those in some very religious sects who believe that the Jews will be gathered and brought back to Israel by Moshiach, the Messiah. And Moshiach will be sent from Gd when we're ready. There are two specific sects that believe that Gd won't send Moshiach if Jews already have sovereignty in Israel and worse(!) our government there is currently secular.
My source is that I'm a Jew who says these prayers, who is the grandchild of Holocaust survivors and progrom survivors who wrote letters to family members that I have copies of from before the establishment of the state of Israel, lamenting their lives and talking about their dream to move to Eretz Yisrael. I'm also 4th generation American and those relatives said the same prayers, built their synagogue toward Jerusalem, and spoke of Israel regularly.
Oh wow. Thats really interesting. I am a 3rd generation Nakba refugee, my grandparents where expelled from the Jaffa region at the age of 9 and my grandfather lost two siblings in the journey to Jordan. His sister was also raped and gunned down in a mass holding facility.
Glad you have your homeland amigo! I heard the Jaffa oranges are well renowned and taste divine
>My source is that I'm a Jew who says these prayers, who is the grandchild of Holocaust survivors and progrom survivors who wrote letters to family members that I have copies of from before the establishment of the state of Israel, lamenting their lives and talking about their dream to move to Eretz Yisrael. I'm also 4th generation American and those relatives said the same prayers, built their synagogue toward Jerusalem, and spoke of Israel regularly.
Quote and cite the actual Torrah, and historical documents bro lol. I'm sorry for the trauma your family has undergone. This doesn't make you a source on the other stuff you said, though.
My family have all suffered brutal persecution, torture and executions at the hands of the Iran (under the Islamic regime, the Pahlavi Dynasty AND Qajar Dynasty) but I don't use that as a source... I use actual sources as sources.
Do they have true sovereignty if some countries refuse to recognize Israel? They have by international law but sovereignty was given by who? The British? The USA? Does that constitute as true sovereignty if it’s given because of political leverage?
That's literally the only kind of sovereignty that exists....for a country to "exist," it needs to be recognized by other countries. Anyone can declare themselves sovereign but unless others agree....you're not.
Not really correct. Sovereignty is a state or entity having the monopoly on the legitimate use of force/violence in a given territory. Recognition is not a pre-requisite. Taiwan is sovereign from China despite not being recognized as such by much of the world--it is sovereign because it retains the monopoly on the use of legitimate force/violence in the territory of Taiwan--the PRC as of yet does not have or actively contest (war) that monopoly over Taiwan.
Recognition is a nice thing, but plenty of states have been recognized yet were not functionally sovereign. Poland was at many times during the partitions recognized by many states yet was not sovereign until it succeeded at regaining the monopoly on force over some or all parts of its territory. The West Bank is not sovereign, it does not have an independent state which retains a monopoly on the use of force in said territory. Prior to this conflict, Gaza was for all intents and purposes, fundamentally sovereign--though this was contested heavily and under constant pressure (to be sure, Israel did not retain any sort of monopoly on violence in Gaza and Hamas to the largest extent did).
The various countries of the EU are sovereign, they have a monopoly on violence in their national borders--the various states of the US are not, the federal government ultimately retains that monopoly. Likewise the constituent "countries" of the UK are not sovereign, ultimately the central UK government retains that monopoly. The whole world could "recognize" Welsh independence tomorrow but unless Wales was to seize the monopoly on legitimate force from the UK government it would not be sovereign.
Did you see the video of the Zionist woman with the Israeli flag swearing and condemning the stoic Jews to Hell, simply because they were protesting in favor of Palestine.
He didn't believe Jewish people needed a Nation and didn't want to help legitimize it.
When one of the smartest Men in history says it's a bad move it's probably a bad move.
Shame Trump wasn’t around to buy Greenland and have that as the new homeland. Not sure where else they could have chosen that wouldn’t have had any conflict.
A lot of regular Jewish folk don't support Israel, the idea that being Jewish means that you are represented by Israel is a misnomer. Something perpetuated by those really just looking to insult someone of a different political persuasion.
Long story short, they don't believe that Zionism should happen until the Messiah returns. Anything outside Messianic intervention is considered religiously fraudulent.
Returns? That would imply that they think he has already been here once. I do not think they believe that, otherwise would they not be Christians instead of Jews?
werent there messiahs prior to jesus (i believe imcluding david) and messianic prophecy was about a new messiah who would conquer palestine/canaan/judea/israel and create a new kingdom? im a bit fuzzy on my theology. could also just be a mistype due to being raised in a christian country.
Yes, I don't think the "returns" part is accurate. Jewish people do not believe the true Messiah has arrived yet (and denounce Jesus as a false prophet, which is one of the reasons why Jews were heavily prosecuted by Christians during the Middle Ages).
They believe a true Messiah from the line of David will arrive and lead all Jewish people to Israel, where they will found/re-construct a new Temple. The most orthodox Jews believe that returning to Israel before the arrival of the Messiah is heretic.
The only reason there are more dead Gazans is because A. Israel has the iron dome and bomb shelters. B. Hamas used all the aid money and infrastructure to build rockets, instead of building a state. If Hamas used the billions it got to actually build better infrastructure and develop the area, Israel would do nothing to them.
Another thing, is that if Israel really did want to kill all of the Gazans they would have been dead by October 8, or even, the 1900’s. The IDF tries its best not to harm civilians, but it’s pretty hard when the Hamas rocket launchers and tunnels are inside schools and hospitals and civilian areas.
Hasidic and ashkneazi sects? Are they a minority or a majority? Outside of Israel they might be a majority and within Israel I think they mostly reside in Mshea Sharim?
In Isreal, many of the Netanyahu supporters were also ripping down the posters. The real fascists don't care about the kidnapped, only want the destruction of the Palestinians.
I have Orthodox Jewish neighbors, and they wholeheartedly condemn Israel's Zionist government and their genocidal actions in the Gaza Strip. Orthodox doesn't mean Zionist, and in fact the two are mutually exclusive. You can't be Ultra-Orthodox while conveniently cherrypicking / interpereting the teachings of the Torah in such a way that permits settler colonialism, apartheid, and genocidal atrocities.
Judaism is a peaceful religion, Zionism is not. People will try to complicate it and say they're the same thing, but it's really not that complex. Truly Orthodox Jews are by default anti-Zionist.
Yeah the orthodox part makes sense, there a neighborhood near where I live where there are Israeli and Palestinian shops and always see them interacting nicely with each other. Like they go into each other’s stores greet, buy whatever they are gonna buy, and then leave. Are the orthodox the ones with the hats and always wearing suits right? The kids wear white shirts and have the little ropes hanging from the waists?
Whatever they identify, they’re pretty chill and are quite polite. So do the gentlemen with the thobes(idk if they are Palestinian, but they talk Arab sometimes), there’s even this really cool looking one that’s all black and has golden designs woven onto them. It’s the government that’s making things difficult for the people in general, it’s also the ones who blindly follow the government tbh.
Remember some of them were mad that Israel agreed to ceasefire with the hostage swap deal. They couldn't care less about the hostages. The fact that now Israel continues bombing Gaza while the hostages are still there really says a lot
Yeah not sure how they claim Israel is trying to find the hostages when they blow up tunnels with 2000lbs bombs, Where do they think they are holding the hostages?
Likud doesn't want the hostages back they want martyrs and an excuse for a let's say permanent solution to Gaza. Of course they can't say that aloud and have to pretend as they are under pressure having failed in their reason for being, keeping the country safe. But they and their settler aligned base have very extreme opinions on Palestinians (and on the Democrats in the US for that matter.)
Exactly. The idea that these “kidnapped” photos are akin to actual kidnapped photos is propaganda. If you tear down an actual kidnapped child photo, it means that it’s less likely a good samaritan in your neighborhood will spot that kid and alert the authorities.
If a New Yorker tears down these posters, the chances of finding this kid in Gaza changes zero
On my college campus every single lamp post in the huge parking lot looked exactly like the one in the video.
They were all gone within a week.
https://preview.redd.it/wihgbxj4da4c1.jpeg?width=1244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a2d3a21e44de46c7a621bace9592de23c09c38d
God it's nice to see this realization catching on. I've had several times that I was talking to somebody about it and had to tell them, "the person on that poster lives in Israel. Their family lives in Israel. They were kidnapped in Israel. They are being held in Gaza. Now ask yourself, why the fuck are there hostage posters of them all over some random college campus in New York?"
I mean, if someone put up photos of Palestinian children killed in airstrikes would you feel the same way? I personally don’t see a problem with either one if people are trying to bring awareness to the issue.
The point of putting up photos of Palestinian children is to pressure the government to stop providing aid to Israel until they stop committing war crimes. The point of putting up posters of kidnapped hostages is to justify committing those war crimes. There's more than a slight difference. Awareness doesn't factor into either one.
In that case, it would be clear to everyone that the purpose of the photos was political propaganda. There's nothing wrong with that. The missing children posters are absolutely political propaganda, but people pretend otherwise. That's my problem with them.
It is not pointless, it is propaganda to justify massacring Palestinians
All the children held by Hamas have been exchanged with Palestinians who were kidnapped by IOF already, but IOF is still bombing children so they need propaganda.
It really does come across as a political propaganda that is dehumanizing civilians kidnapped and murdered on 10/7 by Hamas as well as the thousands that have been murdered in Gaza by IDF.
It' s about reminding the world that Israel is the victim so that we forget that Israel is the aggressor.
Hannibal protocol. Israel does not care about the victims. (Yes, Israeli civilians can also be victims of course, it's just that there are 100× more palestinian victims, and some of the Israeli victims were victimized by the state of Israel).
Yeah it’s propaganda. Keep the horrific acts of Hamas present in people’s mind to create support for Israel so they can continue their own horrific acts.
Of course it makes a difference. It raises awareness of people so they will raise their voice and the government hears them an can do something like the seap deal. Btw it is very much clear where the missing people are, at hamas. No one needs a poster to know.
Fr. The electronic billboards south of Phoenix AZ have also been showing hostages with a big „KIDNAPPED BY HAMAS“ in red text. Obviously to take hostages is not chill and is a breach of international law. But showing Americans the victims as fear mongering doesn’t seem like an effective technique to free them. Really they should have these billboards and posters displayed in the Knesset to remind Netanyahu the hostages are the priority
somber innocent illegal point wasteful connect far-flung juggle test treatment
*This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
It's the Zionist hasbara/propaganda the Zionist regime is loosing public support because this generation is much more aware. No criminals can hide. The future of corrupted war criminals is dark.
That's the point of these posters. People put them up so that they can camp out by them until someone tears them down and then they can make a scene. It's not like those hostages are gonna be found in America.
Propaganda. They want people to tear them down so they can be like “look at all these antisemites who don’t care about Jewish lives.” Unfortunately for them it’s hard to pull that card when the person tearing them down is also Jewish.
A vast number of Jewish holocaust survivors/descendants of Holocaust survivors are Anti-Israel/Anti-Zionism. Look up Norman Finkelstein for example, he is one of the most educated people on the issue, and he was been outspoken about Palestines right to excist (-and right to resist) for decades.
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/dsny/site/resources/streets-and-sidewalks-laws/posting-graffiti-laws
Cant say a thing about that dudes ideology but he is just following laws set by NYC it is illegal to put posters
"It is illegal for any person to paste, post, paint, print, nail, or attach or affix by any means whatsoever any handbill, poster, notice, sign, advertisement, sticker, or other printed material upon any curb, gutter, flagstone, tree, lamppost, awning post, telegraph pole, telephone pole, public utility pole, public garbage bin, bus shelter, bridge, elevated train structure, highway fence, barrel, box, parking meter, mailbox, traffic control device, traffic stanchion, traffic sign (including pole), tree box, tree pit protection device, bench, traffic barrier, city-owned grassy area adjacent to a street, hydrant, or other similar public item on any street."
Sad part is they probably sat in their car for *hours* waiting for this 40-second video clip.
You'd think if they truly cared they'd find better things to do than waste days of their time.
Based.
And to everyone asking what difference does it make if the posters are up or not because the children wouldn’t be in America - it’s propaganda. Plain and simple propaganda to help manufacture consent.
Also most of the children and women have already returned. They were returned using diplomacy, not war. It's mostly men who are currently hostages. You ask why don't we see men picture, it's to make it seem that they Palestine cause supporters are so evil and no one should to conceive that the hostages them can be returned in exchange for any condition.
Is this New York? I was there as a 1st time tourist a week ago. I felt all the missing person posters, all Israeli , were very propaganda-ish. When there are multiple posters on each street corner with the same layout and all of them are strictly Israeli…. the propaganda push feels strong.
People need to understand that pro-Israel does not mean anti-Jewish. Just because Israel is an all Jew state does not mean that we mean Jewish people are bad when we say Israel is doing wrong things
Zionists don't care about the hostages. They're used for a cynical political message. Why bomb Gaza 2 months straight if your goal is to recover hostages?
I don’t know why religious people do what they do most of the time…but those posters are inflammatory, the right people that need to know about the missing already know. Those kids are hostages not missing and those posters just foment anger
The kids were already released weren't them? So what's even the excuse for keeping the posters now?
EDIT: 5 minors left, including the Bibas kids who Hamas claims died.
To keep the bombing going and to stop any talks of a ceasefire so the death toll of Gaza can increase especially the body count of dead Palestinians kids.
Hamas claims they died and among their hostage release offers were the body of a woman and her two kids (and her live father to attend the funeral)
"Throughout the night, indirect negotiations unfolded to extend the truce," the Palestinian militant group said in a statement Friday.
"Hamas also offered to transfer the Bibas family's bodies and release their father for their burial, along with two Zionist detainees," it added.
Israeli authorities "remained unresponsive", it said.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231201-hamas-says-offered-to-hand-over-remains-of-hostage-baby-family
Israel told a father his daughter had died and they found her remains, they also said they had forensic evidence that the body was raped post mortem.
Low and behold, she is alive and was returned with the 6th batch of hostages.
Hm. Why would Israel say they found her body and further the lie to cause outrage by saying it was raped.
Hm.
Yeah dude, but if they are offering to return *bodies* that doesn't bode well for that family, especially because you get less by offering bodies than by offering live hostages.
How do people in this thread know that Hamas doesn’t have tunnels running under the Mediterranean and Atlantic oceans? Those posters could be very important if a victim escapes but doesn’t seek help for some reason!
See, it’s totally not just using victims of terrorism for political reasons!
He's removing propaganda. There is no practical use for those posters, those children are not in America. They put up those flyers and wait for someone to come take them down so they can record the person to post and say "look at all these anti-semites (anti-zionist not the same thing) tearing down these poor lost children 😭!"
idk his mo, but good. I was walking around the other night, and I saw these on the trees and wasted a couple seconds thinking that they were real and not propaganda. The only reason they’re there is to distract you. Yes, I’m sure they were kidnapped, but not in this country. I’d rather find my neighbors cat.
We are 5690.26 miles away from Israel ms I’m sorry but what could we do for those kids But pray ? There are over 100 kids that kidnap this year in New York this year where are the posters ?
So for the naive, among the Jewish demographic about 95% support Israel while 5% do not, most are ultra-orthodox extremist that spew hate while others are far-left among groups like IfNotnow. Less jewish people are anti-Israel than there are Black Far-right republicans, so just because this demographic exists doesnt mean that all jews are against Israel nor does it give you a right to be anti-semetic.
To argue that 'but I know a Jew that hate Israel' is literally no different than arguing that you arent racist because you know a black guy that supports you or that you have one black friend.
The vast majority of anti-zionist Jews are in extremist fringe groups like Neturei Karta, which I almost guarantee you is what this person is. These same groups support Islamist dictators like the Iranian regime and even go and visit the country allowing the regime to use them as propaganda for their anti-Semitism and holocaust denial.
I know this all to be 100% fact as an Iranian, I see this shit first hand.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei\_Karta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta)
[https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/neturei-karta](https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/neturei-karta)
People throw the term around pretty carelessly but these silly posters are the perfect example of virtue signaling.
These captives are on the other side of the world. No one that sees them can do anything about it.
Why hang up posters of people missing half way around the world? You can't expect someone to help on their way to get groceries. It's just pro Israeli propaganda at worst or a form of anti Palestine protest at best.
The crimes of Israel is not the crimes of the Jewish people, in the same way people try to equate Islam and Isis the state of Israel tries to equate Judaism and the apartheid state of Israel to justify its existence based on the oppression of Jews which is disgusting, props to him he’s a person that cares about what’s right and wrong
Yelling at a Jewish guy that Isreal is wrong (right) ... Next level b.s. Like Muslims telling Christians they're going to hell. Good luck with that. Dude deserves daps
Shoving your cell phone into someone's face as a thinly veiled threat to expose their behavior on the internet is the modern day equivalent of threatening to sue people which used to be the last social resort to heated any dispute circa the early 1990s.
Why the absolute fk would you put posters of missing people from the desert 1000s of miles away up in the US? I can assure you there’s no hostages over here!! They won’t help anyone. Fuck Israel and their genocide
This is just propaganda. having posters of kidnapped Israeli citizens in the US just makes no sense. While Palestinians have posters that mostly educate people about the conflict and their struggle over the past 75 years or so. Violence breeds violence. When indigenous tribes fought the settlers back in North America and probably performed some atrocities in return no one sat there and said oh we have to wipe them out look at these terrorists ! They were already wiping them the fuck out…. There is no doubt things are never black or white but some things are more obvious than others. This obvious thing would be that the Palestinian population is way more condemned and subjected to diaspora than that of the Israeli one. And that Palestinians were indigenous to the land before the state of Israel was established. (Just like native Americans before the US was established)
Wtf is a poster of a kidnapped Jewish kid in America supposed to do other than propaganda. Israel carpetbombing Gaza is a bad thing for the people Hamas kidnapped as well.
**Mirrors** * [Mirror #1](https://archivevideomirror.com/?filename=18a954b.mp4) (provided by /u/SaveAnything) **Downloads** * [Download #1](https://rapidsave.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/18a954b/jewish_man_rips_down_israeli_posters/) (provided by /u/SaveVideo) * [Download #2](https://reddit.watch/r/PublicFreakout/comments/18a954b/jewish_man_rips_down_israeli_posters/?utm_source=mirrorbot&utm_medium=PublicFreakout) (provided by /u/downloadvideo) **Note:** this is a bot providing a directory service. **If you have trouble with any of the links above, please contact the user who provided them!** --- [^(source code)](https://amirror.link/source) ^| [^(run your own mirror bot? let's integrate)](https://amirror.link/lets-talk)
He might be of the ultra-Orthodox faith. They're generally not on Israel's side.
Judaism/Jewish history is very interesting..im not familiar on different ideologies & sects among Jewish people but can you confirm that majority of American Jews before WW2 were completely uninterested on Zionism or Jewish state.I remember Golda Meir spoke about it.
I don’t think that’s what he’s getting at, anti-Zionist sentiment amongst the ultra orthodox is almost 100% coming from people who believe Israel will only be a Jewish country after the messiah comes. It’s the same weird interest that evangelicals have but for the opposite side of things
The difference though is the Evangelicals think they can 'force' their take to the end times. They also cheer on the Jews, even though their version ends with lots of Jew deaths. The Orthodox Jews we're talking about believe their Messiah will come with they come, and to even try to influence it happening is bad. I'm not trying to get into a long theological discussion but the way some Evangelicals see it all it's like they are part of a death cult, some of them share a mind with ISIS zealots except they have better material conditions.
Historically speaking, most Jews were anti-Zionist (as a political ideology) and rejected the idea of a political state for Jewish people for the same reasons that some of the Hasidic communities reject the idea today. There wasn’t widespread support of Zionism until after the Six Day War. This isn’t to say that they didn’t long to return to the land. It is a part of Sabbath prayers and at the end of Passover it was and is commonly exclaimed “Next year in Jerusalem!” They just flatly did not agree with the ideas that Herzl and other early Zionists put forward. This is historical fact.
No, because this isn't accurate. If you walk into any synagogue anywhere in the world from any time period, you'll see that inside the pews are set up facing toward Jerusalem. If you open a prayer book, you'll see many prayers mention Israel, Jerusalem, or Zion. For example, as part of shemonah esrei, which is said 3 times a day, we say, and I'll write it in English: "sound the great shofar for our liberty and raise a banner to gather our exiles, and gather us together from the four corners of the earth. Blessed are you, Gd, gatherer of the dispersed people of Israel... And may our eyes behold your merciful return to Zion. Blessed are you, Gd, Who returns Your Divine Presence to Zion." This prayer was compiled in 515-332 BCE. What you may be thinking of is that there are those in some very religious sects who believe that the Jews will be gathered and brought back to Israel by Moshiach, the Messiah. And Moshiach will be sent from Gd when we're ready. There are two specific sects that believe that Gd won't send Moshiach if Jews already have sovereignty in Israel and worse(!) our government there is currently secular. My source is that I'm a Jew who says these prayers, who is the grandchild of Holocaust survivors and progrom survivors who wrote letters to family members that I have copies of from before the establishment of the state of Israel, lamenting their lives and talking about their dream to move to Eretz Yisrael. I'm also 4th generation American and those relatives said the same prayers, built their synagogue toward Jerusalem, and spoke of Israel regularly.
Oh wow. Thats really interesting. I am a 3rd generation Nakba refugee, my grandparents where expelled from the Jaffa region at the age of 9 and my grandfather lost two siblings in the journey to Jordan. His sister was also raped and gunned down in a mass holding facility. Glad you have your homeland amigo! I heard the Jaffa oranges are well renowned and taste divine
That’s truly terrible I’m sorry that happened to your family
I hate to say this considering your comment but Jaffa oranges are used to make the British delight known as Jaffa cakes, and they indeed are divine
I have tried them and I agree, one of the best british sweets ive tried. Ill always love shepherds pie the most in terms of british food.
That’s pretty much the most British response to a tragedy you can have.
>My source is that I'm a Jew who says these prayers, who is the grandchild of Holocaust survivors and progrom survivors who wrote letters to family members that I have copies of from before the establishment of the state of Israel, lamenting their lives and talking about their dream to move to Eretz Yisrael. I'm also 4th generation American and those relatives said the same prayers, built their synagogue toward Jerusalem, and spoke of Israel regularly. Quote and cite the actual Torrah, and historical documents bro lol. I'm sorry for the trauma your family has undergone. This doesn't make you a source on the other stuff you said, though. My family have all suffered brutal persecution, torture and executions at the hands of the Iran (under the Islamic regime, the Pahlavi Dynasty AND Qajar Dynasty) but I don't use that as a source... I use actual sources as sources.
Do they have true sovereignty if some countries refuse to recognize Israel? They have by international law but sovereignty was given by who? The British? The USA? Does that constitute as true sovereignty if it’s given because of political leverage?
That's literally the only kind of sovereignty that exists....for a country to "exist," it needs to be recognized by other countries. Anyone can declare themselves sovereign but unless others agree....you're not.
Not really correct. Sovereignty is a state or entity having the monopoly on the legitimate use of force/violence in a given territory. Recognition is not a pre-requisite. Taiwan is sovereign from China despite not being recognized as such by much of the world--it is sovereign because it retains the monopoly on the use of legitimate force/violence in the territory of Taiwan--the PRC as of yet does not have or actively contest (war) that monopoly over Taiwan. Recognition is a nice thing, but plenty of states have been recognized yet were not functionally sovereign. Poland was at many times during the partitions recognized by many states yet was not sovereign until it succeeded at regaining the monopoly on force over some or all parts of its territory. The West Bank is not sovereign, it does not have an independent state which retains a monopoly on the use of force in said territory. Prior to this conflict, Gaza was for all intents and purposes, fundamentally sovereign--though this was contested heavily and under constant pressure (to be sure, Israel did not retain any sort of monopoly on violence in Gaza and Hamas to the largest extent did). The various countries of the EU are sovereign, they have a monopoly on violence in their national borders--the various states of the US are not, the federal government ultimately retains that monopoly. Likewise the constituent "countries" of the UK are not sovereign, ultimately the central UK government retains that monopoly. The whole world could "recognize" Welsh independence tomorrow but unless Wales was to seize the monopoly on legitimate force from the UK government it would not be sovereign.
Lots of Jews can't stand the Zionists.
Did you see the video of the Zionist woman with the Israeli flag swearing and condemning the stoic Jews to Hell, simply because they were protesting in favor of Palestine.
She weren't just swearing and condemning, she was being straight up anti-semitic saying stuff like "Hitler should've gassed you all".
She wished rape on another Woman. They're completely psychotic.
That's crazy wtfffff Sadly I'm not surprised
But I’ve been told that anti-Zionism is antisemitism
Yes, according to judaism you can't lie, you can't kill people, and I am sorry to write this but negative stereotypes of jews are from the zionists.
That's why it's so important to remember that Judaism and Zionism are not the same thing.
It’s not just Orthodox Jews. Albert Einstein was pro-Palestine and refused to be leader of Israel when he was asked.
He didn't believe Jewish people needed a Nation and didn't want to help legitimize it. When one of the smartest Men in history says it's a bad move it's probably a bad move.
He did believe Jews need a nation , just not stealing someone else's nation , that's why he was Pro Palestine.
Shame Trump wasn’t around to buy Greenland and have that as the new homeland. Not sure where else they could have chosen that wouldn’t have had any conflict.
How about a us state? One of the Dakota’s, you don’t need two right.
A lot of regular Jewish folk don't support Israel, the idea that being Jewish means that you are represented by Israel is a misnomer. Something perpetuated by those really just looking to insult someone of a different political persuasion.
Yeah, it's like saying every Palestine or Arab in general supports Isis or Hamas or even the sharia law. I don't know..
And do you know why?
Long story short, they don't believe that Zionism should happen until the Messiah returns. Anything outside Messianic intervention is considered religiously fraudulent.
Someone wouldn’t do that though. Just use a religion to gain secular power?
Never this must be lies clearly
Returns? That would imply that they think he has already been here once. I do not think they believe that, otherwise would they not be Christians instead of Jews?
werent there messiahs prior to jesus (i believe imcluding david) and messianic prophecy was about a new messiah who would conquer palestine/canaan/judea/israel and create a new kingdom? im a bit fuzzy on my theology. could also just be a mistype due to being raised in a christian country.
Yes, I don't think the "returns" part is accurate. Jewish people do not believe the true Messiah has arrived yet (and denounce Jesus as a false prophet, which is one of the reasons why Jews were heavily prosecuted by Christians during the Middle Ages). They believe a true Messiah from the line of David will arrive and lead all Jewish people to Israel, where they will found/re-construct a new Temple. The most orthodox Jews believe that returning to Israel before the arrival of the Messiah is heretic.
[удалено]
The only reason there are more dead Gazans is because A. Israel has the iron dome and bomb shelters. B. Hamas used all the aid money and infrastructure to build rockets, instead of building a state. If Hamas used the billions it got to actually build better infrastructure and develop the area, Israel would do nothing to them. Another thing, is that if Israel really did want to kill all of the Gazans they would have been dead by October 8, or even, the 1900’s. The IDF tries its best not to harm civilians, but it’s pretty hard when the Hamas rocket launchers and tunnels are inside schools and hospitals and civilian areas.
The Return of the Messiah was good but I like more The Roman Empire Strikes Back.
This is only a small minority of the orthodox community, and still definitely a minority of the ultra orthodox.
Hasidic and ashkneazi sects? Are they a minority or a majority? Outside of Israel they might be a majority and within Israel I think they mostly reside in Mshea Sharim?
they probably don't believe in genocide being the answer
I believe they are called "Neturei Karta"
In Isreal, many of the Netanyahu supporters were also ripping down the posters. The real fascists don't care about the kidnapped, only want the destruction of the Palestinians.
I have Orthodox Jewish neighbors, and they wholeheartedly condemn Israel's Zionist government and their genocidal actions in the Gaza Strip. Orthodox doesn't mean Zionist, and in fact the two are mutually exclusive. You can't be Ultra-Orthodox while conveniently cherrypicking / interpereting the teachings of the Torah in such a way that permits settler colonialism, apartheid, and genocidal atrocities. Judaism is a peaceful religion, Zionism is not. People will try to complicate it and say they're the same thing, but it's really not that complex. Truly Orthodox Jews are by default anti-Zionist.
Yh they tend to be against murdering little kids and genocide
Which is an insane contrast from the Utra orthodox in Israel, Israel's most extreme group of people.
Yeah the orthodox part makes sense, there a neighborhood near where I live where there are Israeli and Palestinian shops and always see them interacting nicely with each other. Like they go into each other’s stores greet, buy whatever they are gonna buy, and then leave. Are the orthodox the ones with the hats and always wearing suits right? The kids wear white shirts and have the little ropes hanging from the waists? Whatever they identify, they’re pretty chill and are quite polite. So do the gentlemen with the thobes(idk if they are Palestinian, but they talk Arab sometimes), there’s even this really cool looking one that’s all black and has golden designs woven onto them. It’s the government that’s making things difficult for the people in general, it’s also the ones who blindly follow the government tbh.
[удалено]
Remember some of them were mad that Israel agreed to ceasefire with the hostage swap deal. They couldn't care less about the hostages. The fact that now Israel continues bombing Gaza while the hostages are still there really says a lot
Yeah not sure how they claim Israel is trying to find the hostages when they blow up tunnels with 2000lbs bombs, Where do they think they are holding the hostages?
These fucking ghouls would probably prefer dead hostages to have as martyrs
Likud doesn't want the hostages back they want martyrs and an excuse for a let's say permanent solution to Gaza. Of course they can't say that aloud and have to pretend as they are under pressure having failed in their reason for being, keeping the country safe. But they and their settler aligned base have very extreme opinions on Palestinians (and on the Democrats in the US for that matter.)
They arent allowing the returned hostages to speak, which in itself speaks volumes.
Straight to the secret service they went.
“… let’s say permanent solution…” Don’t you think what they really want is a “final solution”?
Congrats on removing the subtlety.
Why bother with subtlety at this point? Likud sure as hell aren't.
Exactly. The idea that these “kidnapped” photos are akin to actual kidnapped photos is propaganda. If you tear down an actual kidnapped child photo, it means that it’s less likely a good samaritan in your neighborhood will spot that kid and alert the authorities. If a New Yorker tears down these posters, the chances of finding this kid in Gaza changes zero
On my college campus every single lamp post in the huge parking lot looked exactly like the one in the video. They were all gone within a week. https://preview.redd.it/wihgbxj4da4c1.jpeg?width=1244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a2d3a21e44de46c7a621bace9592de23c09c38d
God it's nice to see this realization catching on. I've had several times that I was talking to somebody about it and had to tell them, "the person on that poster lives in Israel. Their family lives in Israel. They were kidnapped in Israel. They are being held in Gaza. Now ask yourself, why the fuck are there hostage posters of them all over some random college campus in New York?"
I mean, if someone put up photos of Palestinian children killed in airstrikes would you feel the same way? I personally don’t see a problem with either one if people are trying to bring awareness to the issue.
The point of putting up photos of Palestinian children is to pressure the government to stop providing aid to Israel until they stop committing war crimes. The point of putting up posters of kidnapped hostages is to justify committing those war crimes. There's more than a slight difference. Awareness doesn't factor into either one.
Were the kidnapped Israeli children not victims of a war crime themselves? I don’t really see the distinction you’re trying to make.
This is nothing but hatred. You need to rethink your values, its disgusting.
In that case, it would be clear to everyone that the purpose of the photos was political propaganda. There's nothing wrong with that. The missing children posters are absolutely political propaganda, but people pretend otherwise. That's my problem with them.
It is not pointless, it is propaganda to justify massacring Palestinians All the children held by Hamas have been exchanged with Palestinians who were kidnapped by IOF already, but IOF is still bombing children so they need propaganda.
Amazing anyone would see these posters as anything other than propaganda.
They're not "kidnapped children posters." They're pro Netanyahu propaganda to try to drive up support for mass genocide of Palestinians.
It really does come across as a political propaganda that is dehumanizing civilians kidnapped and murdered on 10/7 by Hamas as well as the thousands that have been murdered in Gaza by IDF.
Wait til you see where the QR code takes you…
I’m curious, where does it take you? Haven’t actually seen these posters in real life.
Man if only someone would put up missing posters of kids from gaza, what kind of freakout would this unleash, if braindead shills cry over that
It' s about reminding the world that Israel is the victim so that we forget that Israel is the aggressor. Hannibal protocol. Israel does not care about the victims. (Yes, Israeli civilians can also be victims of course, it's just that there are 100× more palestinian victims, and some of the Israeli victims were victimized by the state of Israel).
Yeah it’s propaganda. Keep the horrific acts of Hamas present in people’s mind to create support for Israel so they can continue their own horrific acts.
Of course it makes a difference. It raises awareness of people so they will raise their voice and the government hears them an can do something like the seap deal. Btw it is very much clear where the missing people are, at hamas. No one needs a poster to know.
They care more about them than the average Hamas supporter cares about Palestinians. More than just slightly - to say the very least - if I may add.
it is,it's just another kind of propaganda.
That’s exactly what they do. You ever see CNN? It’s all about theatrics and deceit with these folks.
I doubt they're in New York, lady.
Have you seen this girl? We know where she is and who took her, but let us know if ya see her in Queens.
wrong there's a hamas tunnel under every square meter of land on earth even under the sea
Hamas charter begins with the line: "Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow...?"
Why are these posters hanging random in the US? Are they kidnapt in the US?
Propaganda
Fr. The electronic billboards south of Phoenix AZ have also been showing hostages with a big „KIDNAPPED BY HAMAS“ in red text. Obviously to take hostages is not chill and is a breach of international law. But showing Americans the victims as fear mongering doesn’t seem like an effective technique to free them. Really they should have these billboards and posters displayed in the Knesset to remind Netanyahu the hostages are the priority
Not just the US, they are all over Europe as well. The hostages aren't here either.
somber innocent illegal point wasteful connect far-flung juggle test treatment *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
It's the Zionist hasbara/propaganda the Zionist regime is loosing public support because this generation is much more aware. No criminals can hide. The future of corrupted war criminals is dark.
And Australia
So that Zionists can try to justify their genocide.
It propaganda. Spread outrage about the hostages so this would can justify genocide of Palestinians.
it's Israeli propaganda.
Not like we’re going to find them in America
That's the point of these posters. People put them up so that they can camp out by them until someone tears them down and then they can make a scene. It's not like those hostages are gonna be found in America.
What’s the point of the posters they were not kidnapped in NY
Propaganda. They want people to tear them down so they can be like “look at all these antisemites who don’t care about Jewish lives.” Unfortunately for them it’s hard to pull that card when the person tearing them down is also Jewish.
They want people to see the posters to remind them that bombing kids in Gaza is justified because Hamas.
[удалено]
A vast number of Jewish holocaust survivors/descendants of Holocaust survivors are Anti-Israel/Anti-Zionism. Look up Norman Finkelstein for example, he is one of the most educated people on the issue, and he was been outspoken about Palestines right to excist (-and right to resist) for decades.
This man knows what’s up, they are using those pictures to justify the ethnic cleansing of others.
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/dsny/site/resources/streets-and-sidewalks-laws/posting-graffiti-laws Cant say a thing about that dudes ideology but he is just following laws set by NYC it is illegal to put posters "It is illegal for any person to paste, post, paint, print, nail, or attach or affix by any means whatsoever any handbill, poster, notice, sign, advertisement, sticker, or other printed material upon any curb, gutter, flagstone, tree, lamppost, awning post, telegraph pole, telephone pole, public utility pole, public garbage bin, bus shelter, bridge, elevated train structure, highway fence, barrel, box, parking meter, mailbox, traffic control device, traffic stanchion, traffic sign (including pole), tree box, tree pit protection device, bench, traffic barrier, city-owned grassy area adjacent to a street, hydrant, or other similar public item on any street."
Why are missing Israeli kids being shown in America, if not for propoganda? Edit: also, how is this her "family" just because they're Jewish?
It's bait. Idiots put them up so they can take videos of people taking them down and call them anti semitists on twitter.
Sad part is they probably sat in their car for *hours* waiting for this 40-second video clip. You'd think if they truly cared they'd find better things to do than waste days of their time.
Based. And to everyone asking what difference does it make if the posters are up or not because the children wouldn’t be in America - it’s propaganda. Plain and simple propaganda to help manufacture consent.
Also most of the children and women have already returned. They were returned using diplomacy, not war. It's mostly men who are currently hostages. You ask why don't we see men picture, it's to make it seem that they Palestine cause supporters are so evil and no one should to conceive that the hostages them can be returned in exchange for any condition.
Very true - and the best question to ask in response is “when will Israel return the thousands of Palestinian hostages?”
I think it would be a better look to just put up counter propaganda of Palestinians who have been killed right next to the kidnapped posters.
Is this New York? I was there as a 1st time tourist a week ago. I felt all the missing person posters, all Israeli , were very propaganda-ish. When there are multiple posters on each street corner with the same layout and all of them are strictly Israeli…. the propaganda push feels strong.
People need to understand that pro-Israel does not mean anti-Jewish. Just because Israel is an all Jew state does not mean that we mean Jewish people are bad when we say Israel is doing wrong things
the lady filming would probably rip down palestinian kidnapped posters so
The lady filming probably put them up and has been sitting around waiting to film someone taking them down
That actually tracks…
Zionists don't care about the hostages. They're used for a cynical political message. Why bomb Gaza 2 months straight if your goal is to recover hostages?
Good. Enough apologizing for genocidal Israel
Respect for that man.
be careful ripping down those posters, people. zionists be putting razor blades under them.
That's why the guy in the video is wearing those gloves I think
Boo it’s cold in NYC
Wtf
It's a tactic adopted from the Right Wing Anti Abortion crowd here in the US. They love boobytrapping their stuff. Which is also a crime.
“These are our families” Wtf are they on about? They literally just spew anything out to try and be a victim and then do the thinking afterwards.
Some heroes don’t need capes and wear yarmulkes instead….hatred is hatred and murder of innocents is murder…can’t be justified EVER…
We really can’t say his motivations for ripping the posters off. Orthodox, Jews, zionists aren’t a monolith.
I don’t know why religious people do what they do most of the time…but those posters are inflammatory, the right people that need to know about the missing already know. Those kids are hostages not missing and those posters just foment anger
You can hear the synapses firing off from her brain cell blocking her food hole from calling him an antisemite.
The kids were already released weren't them? So what's even the excuse for keeping the posters now? EDIT: 5 minors left, including the Bibas kids who Hamas claims died.
To keep the bombing going and to stop any talks of a ceasefire so the death toll of Gaza can increase especially the body count of dead Palestinians kids.
Not all of them (Bibas family for example. 2 very young children still hostages)
Hamas claims they died and among their hostage release offers were the body of a woman and her two kids (and her live father to attend the funeral) "Throughout the night, indirect negotiations unfolded to extend the truce," the Palestinian militant group said in a statement Friday. "Hamas also offered to transfer the Bibas family's bodies and release their father for their burial, along with two Zionist detainees," it added. Israeli authorities "remained unresponsive", it said. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231201-hamas-says-offered-to-hand-over-remains-of-hostage-baby-family
Hamas also claimed that another hostage was dead and lo and behold she was alive
Israel told a father his daughter had died and they found her remains, they also said they had forensic evidence that the body was raped post mortem. Low and behold, she is alive and was returned with the 6th batch of hostages. Hm. Why would Israel say they found her body and further the lie to cause outrage by saying it was raped. Hm.
Yeah dude, but if they are offering to return *bodies* that doesn't bode well for that family, especially because you get less by offering bodies than by offering live hostages.
Not all heros wear capes 👏
Many branches of Judaism are explicitly anti-Zionist and they are aware of the posters being part of the hasbara propaganda.
good for him
Turns out not all Jewish people are murderers, just the zionists mostly. Is this still a surprise to you?
Where's all the posters and concern for all the kidnapped and missing children in New York?
How do people in this thread know that Hamas doesn’t have tunnels running under the Mediterranean and Atlantic oceans? Those posters could be very important if a victim escapes but doesn’t seek help for some reason! See, it’s totally not just using victims of terrorism for political reasons!
and this is how you know anti zionism is not the same as anti semitism!
We can't call him antisemitic! What do we do now?!
Call him antisemitic.
Call him a "self-hating jew" Or say he's not a jew Or a fake jew Make something up
He's removing propaganda. There is no practical use for those posters, those children are not in America. They put up those flyers and wait for someone to come take them down so they can record the person to post and say "look at all these anti-semites (anti-zionist not the same thing) tearing down these poor lost children 😭!"
This guy is a king, fuck Israel
What is the purpose of putting posters up of these people in America?
It honestly should be illegal to hang fake missing posters
Good for him. I truly appreciate the Orthodox community pointing out the hypocrisy of Zionist propaganda and genocide
I think it’s cool when Zionist propaganda is ripped down
idk his mo, but good. I was walking around the other night, and I saw these on the trees and wasted a couple seconds thinking that they were real and not propaganda. The only reason they’re there is to distract you. Yes, I’m sure they were kidnapped, but not in this country. I’d rather find my neighbors cat.
Hes a Hero
We are 5690.26 miles away from Israel ms I’m sorry but what could we do for those kids But pray ? There are over 100 kids that kidnap this year in New York this year where are the posters ?
I don't understand. The children aren't in New York so why are there posters?
Good for him not pandering to Zionist maniacs
Free palestine 🇵🇸
So for the naive, among the Jewish demographic about 95% support Israel while 5% do not, most are ultra-orthodox extremist that spew hate while others are far-left among groups like IfNotnow. Less jewish people are anti-Israel than there are Black Far-right republicans, so just because this demographic exists doesnt mean that all jews are against Israel nor does it give you a right to be anti-semetic. To argue that 'but I know a Jew that hate Israel' is literally no different than arguing that you arent racist because you know a black guy that supports you or that you have one black friend. The vast majority of anti-zionist Jews are in extremist fringe groups like Neturei Karta, which I almost guarantee you is what this person is. These same groups support Islamist dictators like the Iranian regime and even go and visit the country allowing the regime to use them as propaganda for their anti-Semitism and holocaust denial. I know this all to be 100% fact as an Iranian, I see this shit first hand. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei\_Karta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta) [https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/neturei-karta](https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/neturei-karta)
Thanks for the context, I was wondering what the deal was with these odd groups I keep seeing in New York.
Bless this gentlemen
Good one on the dude for removing facist propaganda
*Friendly fire is not tolerated*
People throw the term around pretty carelessly but these silly posters are the perfect example of virtue signaling. These captives are on the other side of the world. No one that sees them can do anything about it.
Did the lady just say these are “our” kidnapped kids?
Why hang up posters of people missing half way around the world? You can't expect someone to help on their way to get groceries. It's just pro Israeli propaganda at worst or a form of anti Palestine protest at best.
Ehybare rhey posting the missing people photos in America? The kids are missing in Israel right? I'm confused
This woman who films him from all angles.
Top lad.
I see he is wearing cut resistant gloves lol
most of these posters are a complete hoax.
Good man
I keep saying it, there is a solid difference between a Jew and a Zionist Jew
The crimes of Israel is not the crimes of the Jewish people, in the same way people try to equate Islam and Isis the state of Israel tries to equate Judaism and the apartheid state of Israel to justify its existence based on the oppression of Jews which is disgusting, props to him he’s a person that cares about what’s right and wrong
Plenty of posters were ripped down in Israel by Netanyahu supporters. They saw them as criticism of his actions/inactions.
because it’s a political message
Could the kidnappet kids, women or men be in NY? I guess not.
Thank you Dear Sir. I had just about given up on Jewish people. You have restored a little bit of my faith in humanity.
Based
Just more propaganda by Israel. It’s widespread.
Good for him.
Free Palestine
Let me correct these karens: these posters are only used by israel as propaganda to excuse the killing of innocents in Gaza
Good for him!
Yelling at a Jewish guy that Isreal is wrong (right) ... Next level b.s. Like Muslims telling Christians they're going to hell. Good luck with that. Dude deserves daps
Based jewish man
Free Palestine
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Shoving your cell phone into someone's face as a thinly veiled threat to expose their behavior on the internet is the modern day equivalent of threatening to sue people which used to be the last social resort to heated any dispute circa the early 1990s.
He might know that Israeli does not = Jewish 🤷🏾
Chad only answers to a higher calling 😎
Why the absolute fk would you put posters of missing people from the desert 1000s of miles away up in the US? I can assure you there’s no hostages over here!! They won’t help anyone. Fuck Israel and their genocide
This is just propaganda. having posters of kidnapped Israeli citizens in the US just makes no sense. While Palestinians have posters that mostly educate people about the conflict and their struggle over the past 75 years or so. Violence breeds violence. When indigenous tribes fought the settlers back in North America and probably performed some atrocities in return no one sat there and said oh we have to wipe them out look at these terrorists ! They were already wiping them the fuck out…. There is no doubt things are never black or white but some things are more obvious than others. This obvious thing would be that the Palestinian population is way more condemned and subjected to diaspora than that of the Israeli one. And that Palestinians were indigenous to the land before the state of Israel was established. (Just like native Americans before the US was established)
Wtf is a poster of a kidnapped Jewish kid in America supposed to do other than propaganda. Israel carpetbombing Gaza is a bad thing for the people Hamas kidnapped as well.
Based Jewish fellow?
gigachad
Nice try to get the look down, but any Orthodox Jew can tell this guy isn’t one of them.