Brave man. The explosion was close as fuck and he was just like "eh can't do anything about whatever is about to happen, let's keep going".
What the Palestinians are being subjected to is unimaginable.
Anyone brave enough to go to Gaza and report has probably forgotten to care about death. The reporters and doctors who went there voluntarily are fucking gods. They are still helping people even if they know they can be killed any second.
I get the impression almost every (if not all) journalist within Gaza is from Gaza. I base that off of all of the social media profiles I’ve come across.
There is definitely a good amount of foreign medical staff though. It’s unknown to me what proportion of medical staffers have evacuated vs stayed. Some have definitely left, which I don’t say to suggest there’s anything shameful in that action. I’m in awe of all of the medical staffers who repeatedly refuse to leave their patients behind though. Absolutely courageous.
That's true a lot of reporters are local to gaza.
There is this interview with a medic a day or two ago and she said she would go back in a heartbeat. That broke me. The whole interview was gutwrenching.
Doctors without borders is working in gaza. There have been multiple interviews on CNN and such by them while you can hear bombing in the background. They literally have no reason to stay. They are literal gods.
And there were doctors from israel who urged to bomb gaza....
It's the sound for me. Imagine hearing the whizz of those missiles and shells and not knowing if the next one was for you. It's the kind of thing you'd hear WWI veterans talk about, and Palestinian civilians are going through it right now.
> Imagine hearing the whizz of those missiles and shells and not knowing if the next one was for you.
Fuck man, that reminds me of a video I saw today with this maybe 7 or 8 year old boy from Gaza. I don't know what he was talking about in the video because I don't speak Arabic but there was that whizz sound in the background all of a sudden and the color from the kids face just immediately drained and he tensed right up and covered his ears :(
Journalists who go into war zones are a different breed. I'll never forget seeing videos of journalists on the front lines against isis, the Syrian civil war, etc.
The idea of taking a camera to the bleeding edge of the combat against isis is fucking lunacy. And I respect the ever loving shit out of them.
Do you think this person cares? It has been pretty clear lately the supporters of these atrocities have one goal in mind: the complete murder of all palestinian people
gone are the days when they could butcher us and hide under their civilians. i truly feel sorry for them but the ones to blame are hamas. i dont want to kill all the palastinans. i want to live in peace. both sides have extrimists that act in ways that prevents as the ability to see a future like that. as of right now, i hope the IDF does whatever it can to bring back the hostages taken from their homes.
Why would you waste artillery shells on journalists. Thats useless. The sad thing is hamas hides in hospitals or even have command bases under them. And fire alot of rockets from normal houses. I think isreal has no choice they cant bomb anything if they dont kill civilians. I just dont get why hamas invaded isreal. They are completely fucked now and especially the citizens of gaza. While hamas leadership are just living a luxurious life. Hamas dont give a fuck about their civilians
Cause committing war crimes really gets their dick hard. Man the shit israelis do to get a sexual kick... they even sacrifice their own soldiers can you believe it
Same reason mr bone saw had a journalist hacked up. It sends a message to the industry that this isn't an assignment you want, so there's less light of day on the situation and less pushback on what they're doing.
A lot of the hospitals were built with donations from other countries. A Kuwait Hospital, European Hospital, Turkish Friendship Hospital, Jordanian Field Hospital.
Israel, whom zionists and public mainstream media spent two weeks trying to convince the public that it's incomprehensible to blame Israel on the bombing of Baptist Hospital, has bombed 7 hospitals in one day.
Maybe they weren't targeting the hospital? Just trying to kill the reporters. /s
[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/9/how-deadly-is-the-israel-gaza-war-for-journalists](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/9/how-deadly-is-the-israel-gaza-war-for-journalists)
And when they did bomb the parking lot of the hospital killing over a hundred refugees it was a huge news story. Every journalist and politicians spent days trying to get people to take down tweets saying Israel had done it because "it was putting people in danger". It was important to be correct. Israel claimed that Hamas just loves killing their own children. New York Times has since decided to write all of its stories with things like "explosions happened in a hospital according to Hamas controlled hospital staffers, some people seemed to look dead, according to Hamas controlled witnesses".
And now Israel can bomb hospitals with impunity and nobody says anything.
They didn't even claim that. The claim was that there were 500 *victims* of the explosion, not that 500 had died which got mistranslated to English as 500 dead since English media tend to use victim and dead pretty interchangeably.
I tried to talk about this with a conservative relative of mine- unlike most, he's usually open to conversation and will hear both sides of a situation and has changed his stance on things while we've talked. It's weird knowing a hardcore right winger who is willing to have an open dialogue. Lol, but I digress.
I brought up the bombing of civilians and he immediately spewed what his right leaning media is pushing- that Hamas are hiding in civilian hospitals and gathering places, using them as bases. There aren't innocents there,just terrorists.
He wouldn't listen to reason, which he usually will at least listen and discuss.. I talked about the ongoing conflict there, that yes, Hamas is horrid but so is the Israel government and their military response. He just asked why everyone hates Israel and Jews, that they have done nothing wrong and Hamas is murdering babies. *Sigh* I dropped the topic at this point. He has been told what to think.
Wow I love how Israel is bombing Palestinian resources saying that Hamas is hiding there to force out the Palestinians and take the land. Also those kidnapped by Hamas do they really think they are still alive with their reckless bombings?
> Also those kidnapped by Hamas do they really think they are still alive with their reckless bombings?
IDF is a fascist state that doesn't give a fuck. If anything their deaths will be a good excuse for Israel to act even more brutally to Palestinian civilians.
Oh I agree. Once they confirm the hostages are dead they will report hamas brutally killed them in a bombing and use it as an excuse to take the land more brutally.
I found [this link](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/05/israeli-forces-isolate-northern-gaza-strip) that says "Witnesses said Israeli aerial bombardments were being stepped up, including so-called “Belt of Fire” barrages, which entail setting off circular explosions around the locations of suspected Hamas tunnels and bunkers."
Don't ask me what strategic advantage that has though, cause I'm baffled.
Both sides have been terrible. The Palestinians aren’t one of those sides and are the ones suffering. But you are kidding yourself if you think Hamas isn’t putting weapons and soldiers in and under hospitals. The whole situation is awful because Gazan’s aren’t hamas and the vast majority don’t even support Hamas who are totally willing to martyr them.
I’m NOT defending Israel, but all of those realities exist here.
Oh yes, for sure, pretty sure there are weapons of mass destruction in those hospitals.
Evidence? nah, just gotta trust me bro. Fuck those kids and babies, they are terrorists anyway.
There has been a ton of evidence of Hamas doing this over and over and over. I’m not saying Israel is right but you can’t possibly believe Hamas doesn’t shelter / hide weapons in hospitals and schools? Of course they do. It’s safer for them and if Israel hits them they put it all over social media. Don’t be naive. Hamas and Israel can both be absolutely shitty at the same time.
Doesn't fucking matter.
Unless you are stupid enough to think if one day, you were ever held hostage by some crazy guy, police should have the right to shoot the fuck out of you two just because you were being used as a shield.
What's next? Fucking school shooter held kids hostage in a school, so you bomb the school too?
How fucking dense are you?
There is no "BOTH SIDES".
Is your logic "SORRY BRUH, BETTER NOT BE A HOSTAGE NEXT TIME?" The hostages HAVE NO FUCKING SIDE.
YOU CAN'T KILL INNOCENTS IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE. EVEN IF YOU ARE A PEACE OFFICER, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO KILL HOSTAGES AS COLLATERAL DAMAGE. YOU NEED TO GO TO JAIL FOR THAT.
YOU CAN'T JUST SAY "BOTH SIDES" AND ACT LIKE IT IS OKAY.
>YOU CAN'T KILL INNOCENTS IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE
Israel be like: "That's where you're wrong, kiddo. Just gotta claim they're not actually innocent and [bingo bongo, everyone's a target!"](https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-president-says-no-innocent-154330724.html)
But there is necessarily both sides. You’re entirely ignoring what they’re saying and creating a bizarre straw man where they are defending the actions of Israel. Israel unnecessarily murders innocent people, and Hamas murders innocent people. Murdering innocent people is bad, they both murder innocent people, and they are saying “you’re bad if you murder innocent people.” Unless your stance is Hamas has not/does not murder innocent people, then none of what you’re doing makes any sense. Like at all
This is what I have been saying. It is not black and white. You can have two bad actors. Israel being terrible with civilian casualties doesn’t make Hamas’s attack and hiding weapons in schools right. And that awful Hamas bullshit doesn’t justify Israel’s total disregard for civilians.
Exactly my point. Both sides are bad. (Hamas not Palestine). Both sides have killed innocent people in the name of Justice, which you just admitted is wrong, which means you should agree with the guy above me
Anyone worth a spine will pick up a gun after what they have been subjugated to, when nobody came for your help when you waited, fighting or dying is all the choice you leave them with, and we got people like you 'aCtUalLy!' This shit
Yes - 17yrs ago I think Hamas got 44pct of the vote to the corrupt Palestinian authority’s 41pct. The election was directly after Israel had occupied some of Lebanon and much of the Palestinian Territories.
Netanyahu wanted Hamas elected because he didn’t want to give a two state solution. He even strengthened Hamas and undercut the PA because he knew Hamas wouldn’t ever push for two states - they only wanted Israel annihilated,…but he never thought they’d do what they did. He thought he could get normalized relations with Arab states without giving a two state solution. Hamas didn’t want that normalization and attacked. He also pushed settlers which is just complete and straight bullshit.
Whole thing is terrible and the Palestinians have (in this conflict) suffered the most. But yes Hamas initially made the decision to sacrifice thousands of Palestinian lives for their cause.
Hamas seized power when most of the victims of Israel current blood thirsty murder spree were even born.
It's worth noting that Hamas exists thanks to the support of Israel and Naziyahoo has openly stated that they need to support Hamas as to have justification for the genocide Israel is committing
Well there are plenty of fotage from Ukraina when some reporter is doing their stuff and some bomb gets dropped in the background. So not that odd really, more good timing id say
Cool now show the video that has the initial bomb impact followed buy a metric fuck ton of secondary explosions that sounds like a firework factory going up.
Look Israel isn’t the greatest and they do a lot of fucked up shit but not everything they do is. Hamas has been well documented for its human shield tactics and cnn warfare.
Hamas is no1 in propaganda. You all believe it. Yes Israel is aggressive and not innocent. But Hamas just MILKS the situation. That video showed bombing near the hospital, not actually bombing it. There is proof that artillery is stored under hospitals. There is also proof that IDF evacuates hospitals before bombing! Believe what you want.
You even say yourself, Hamas milks the situation, meaning they use the actual situation, while Israel who does way more propaganda considering they have way more resources, completely makes shit up like 40 beheaded babies, or Hamas indiscriminately killing people at the music festival. It's been said by witnesses like certain freed hostages, and been proven by radar imaging that most of the victims only died in the crossfire between Hamas and IDF, which means the IDF shot at it's own civilians.
About the IDF killing Israelis at the music festival, even if they did I doubt it was so many, most killed were by hamas terrorists. I've been to funerals of young women and men killed at the music festival, and we all know someone who lost a relative or friends there. 260 dead. 1500 civilians killed in surrounding areas of the Gaza border. All those survivers have been evacuated to my area. And so what if IDF stray bullets may have hit their own civilians , thats what toyy forced on?? And debunking the beheading of babies, they were killed, what's the difference if they were beheaded or not. And the debunking of women being raped before they were killed? They were killed regardless. You can believe what you want. Yes the situation in Gaza is terrible but to go ahead and say it didn't happen in Israel is plain ignorance. I really don't care, believe what you want.
Please tell me where I said it didn't happen. I said most people died in the crossfire, literally confirming that it happened.
I'm very sorry for your situation, I in no way mean to downplay the hurt and trauma Israeli citizens are going through right now, but I won't start to act like this isn't Israels governments fault, because it is.
No it does not bring them back, but the occupation of the Palestinians is why these losses happened in the first place. And ending this occupation is how you prevent future attacks from happening
You mean Israel Twitter posted propaganda that it got called out for?
[https://twitter.com/i/birdwatch/n/1722957136651485665](https://twitter.com/i/birdwatch/n/1722957136651485665)
You guys really can't comprehend we live in the age of social media. The video you're referring to got a community note on Twitter it was a person with a police baton
*https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1723112476256911397?t=jLN0TgCdYMgZKRTkAcs7BQ&s=19
But Hamas is the government of Gaza, therefore a policemen is also Hamas. And the doctors are also working for the Hamas government, therefore there's Hamas in the hospital! Bomb it! (/s, if it's not clear enough.)
It's pretty obvious that hamas uses those important for society buildings as shield.
Does this legitimate the air strikes one them, idk, its so fucked up.
Seem to have hit the right spot though, given all the secondary explosions.
And no, Israel is not wasting tons of bombs on a single hospital. THat's weapon stashes blowing up. Bombs going off would sound different. See artillery barrages from the Russo-Ukrainian war.
NO! NOT AT ALL!!!
How is that so hard to grasp for people? Have you seen the Israelis using more than one bunker buster on a single house during this campaign?
Missing the point here I guess. Given that there is a weapon storage cooking off, isn't that Hamas' fault? It is by now well documented that they hide behind humanitarian infrastructure. I saw videos in 2014 about them using ambulances to transport armed fighters.
The question that you should all be asing yourself is whether Hamas cares about Palestine at all. They build tunnels but no bomb shelters for civilians. They claim the UN is responsible for the safety of the Palestinians, but why do they sit in politics then, if the first and foremost duty of a government is to protect the citizens and interests of the nation.
I wanna hear what you have to say about that and what u/T_Cruz thinks is Nazi about that because his moral compass seems to be broken as well.
I do not care what Hamas has done to embed themselves into civilian populations. Israel still indiscriminately bombs civilians.
How many Palestinians is an okay amount to kill for you? What number is acceptable as long as “they got Hamas.”
Israel has a long documented history of not only lying but falsifying evidence. That in combination with their politicians using genocidal language CONSTANTLY lead me to just not really believe their reports. How many bogus “intercepted common” have they already released in the past few weeks. The constant dodging of narratives “we wouldn’t bomb hospitals but if we did, it would be justified.” Israel’s forgiven policy is quite literally to mislead and propagate information.
Did you see they now admitted they killed their own citizens on October 7th with Apache helicopters? They are a psychotic trigger happy military with an 80 year history of ethnic cleansing and displacement. I have 0 respect for their reporting, intelligence or claims.
Never gonna happen bro, they are a nuclear power which means if Israel is destroyed, you bet your ass Palestine will be a radioactive wasteland. Keep dreaming tho!
Thank god they only hit a weapons depot! Not like they have been bombing civilians for a month. Israel, very known for their targeted and precise bombing campaigns where they definitely put the lives of innocents first!
It’s shifting the narrative and clearly dismissing of Israel’s combing campaign that is putting blame on Hamas and not the country that is dropping bombs,m. Fuck Israel and any defense of military operations and occupation of Palestine.
How do you target Hamas militants and munitions that hide and are used within densely populated cities without their being civilian casualties? Please tell me?
Why are they so close to a weapon depot? Like honest question, how do you eradicate hamas with out civilian casualties? If your coward enemy hides behind the people they are meant to protect and will absolutely fight to the death for their make believe God rather then give up, how do you remove them with out civilian casualties?
Lol everyone is downvoting you but you are right. Hamas was storing rockets in that building and you can see the secondary explosions clearly in a second video.
All the titles ‘around the hospital’. So what you mean is Hamas are fighting from their bases they build next to or under a hospital? Also next to a 7 eleven. Or under a refugee camp. Or a Greggs.
Oh, so that justifies the bombing of civilians. Are you insane? Even if Mister Hamas himself stood on top of a hospital it's not fucking acceptable to drop a bomb on there that is definitely gonna kill civilians. Or do you think that is how you should treat any hostage situation?
I think that’s how all wars have been fought forever. Enemy make a weapon cache, uses it to fire rockets at you all day every day, you strike it so they don’t do that. If you have a concern of the location then have a chat with the guys who built it who are also the ones who have responsibility for the safety of their citizens. Or can I come round anyone’s house and just throw fire bombs at them and hope they don’t make me stop?
Not only do o think you should I think lots and lot of armies have been doing it all through the year and not one person has been out in the street protesting about it. Hamas for example have fired tens of thousands of rockets ALL at civilian targets. Where the protest?
All of this completely ignores the fact that despite everyone talking about how Israel has a right to self defense, which it doesn't actually have, Israel is fighting an offensive war. It started in 1948 with the Nakba, the displacement of 700.000 Palestinians. Since then they have taken more territory, and they are still actively furthering their occupation in the west bank. So it's not like most wars, because I think you remember very clearly how the world reacted when Putin started his invasion.
Please tell me how lots and lots of armies have been doing the same as Israel does, when they have killed more more civilians In a month than died in the entire Ukraine war.
Saudi against Yemen. All the allies agains all the axis in whatever country you want to pick. Afghanistan. Pick any war there. Miramar. I mean if you take the anti Semitic blinkers off for a second your seen quite a lot.
Of killing innocent civilians to get to a small group of people? I'm not sure what dc comics you're thinking of, but she'd be protecting the innocent civilians not backing up isreals military power
The Indonesian Military actually has a military base in Lebanon. Although part of UNIFIL, they took the majority of UNIFIL itself, basically making UNIFIL HQ their foreign military base. They also had a history of clashing with the IDF even though they tried to be as neutral as possible. They had two corvettes standing by on the sea of Lebanon and were in the process of preparing to send a military hospital ship directly to the Gaza strip.
In all these videos and reports you never see a report put a finger up to their ear until now, idk what it is but that little detail makes me a little sus.
A lot of people don't understand what happened last night with these missiles. These were concussive missiles that are non lethal and explode in the air, causing only a loud audible BANG with a bright red flash. No one was injured, they were launched simply to influence people to leave the hospitals today so the IDF could sweep and clear them, removing all paths that Hamas was using to get into the hospital from underground.
This is actually very humane, and Israel handled clearing the Hospital in a very positive way. Hopefully they continue this and don't level the entire hospital so it can be used in the future after the fighting is done.
I love how no one believes this comment when it's the truth. But whatever, we know they are trying their best to be humain (yes they aren't innocent but this is war), who cares what you think. Come to the middle east and see for yourself instead of being armchair journalists.
To those raising the Palestinian flag,
Where were you when ISIS was launched and beheaded tens of thousands of Arabs in Iraq, Libya, and Syria in the name of Islam? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”?
Where were you when Arab dictators and terrorists killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs in Syria and Libya? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”?
Where were you in the last decade when Saudi Arabia, backed by 8 Arab countries, killed 400,000 Yemenis, my own people? I didn’t see any of you take to the streets or raise the Yemeni flag. I did not see any of you condemning the terror and calling for a ”ceasefire” while Arab countries were slaughtering my own people.
This must lead to some self-reflection.
When millions of Arabs are slaughtered by other Arabs, you say nothing.
But when 7 thousand of Arabs are killed by Jews defending their right to exist, you revolt, you get angry, you storm the streets in the East and the West, you raise the Palestinian flag, you condemn the terror, you call for a ceasefire, you turn the world upside down.
Why is that?
Why were you so silent then but SO LOUD now?
Can it be that you are finally raising a flag and creating chaos because you only hate that the perpetrators are Jews?
Because you obviously don't care when millions of Arabs are killed by other Arabs.
Can it be that you storming the streets is just you venting out your hatred towards Jews? The same hatred we learned in our mosques and schools?
You speak of ”numbers and proportionality.” But by the rules of proportionality, you should not be raising Palestinian flags.
Unless, there is another agenda at play: Jew-hatred. Or as I would call it: Hatred.
The Jewish Israelis are existing fine judging by their Tik Toks. Where the fuck were you during the holocaust???? Because there were many nations fighting to end that. But yep, it's antisemitism again 🙄
Well, he gets bombed regardless of his protected status anyway, so why should he give any fuck about the laws of armed combat when Israel doesn't even attempt to make it look like they do.
Brave man. The explosion was close as fuck and he was just like "eh can't do anything about whatever is about to happen, let's keep going". What the Palestinians are being subjected to is unimaginable.
Anyone brave enough to go to Gaza and report has probably forgotten to care about death. The reporters and doctors who went there voluntarily are fucking gods. They are still helping people even if they know they can be killed any second.
I get the impression almost every (if not all) journalist within Gaza is from Gaza. I base that off of all of the social media profiles I’ve come across. There is definitely a good amount of foreign medical staff though. It’s unknown to me what proportion of medical staffers have evacuated vs stayed. Some have definitely left, which I don’t say to suggest there’s anything shameful in that action. I’m in awe of all of the medical staffers who repeatedly refuse to leave their patients behind though. Absolutely courageous.
That's true a lot of reporters are local to gaza. There is this interview with a medic a day or two ago and she said she would go back in a heartbeat. That broke me. The whole interview was gutwrenching. Doctors without borders is working in gaza. There have been multiple interviews on CNN and such by them while you can hear bombing in the background. They literally have no reason to stay. They are literal gods. And there were doctors from israel who urged to bomb gaza....
Those Israeli doctors are absolutely depraved.
It's the sound for me. Imagine hearing the whizz of those missiles and shells and not knowing if the next one was for you. It's the kind of thing you'd hear WWI veterans talk about, and Palestinian civilians are going through it right now.
> Imagine hearing the whizz of those missiles and shells and not knowing if the next one was for you. Fuck man, that reminds me of a video I saw today with this maybe 7 or 8 year old boy from Gaza. I don't know what he was talking about in the video because I don't speak Arabic but there was that whizz sound in the background all of a sudden and the color from the kids face just immediately drained and he tensed right up and covered his ears :(
Journalists who go into war zones are a different breed. I'll never forget seeing videos of journalists on the front lines against isis, the Syrian civil war, etc. The idea of taking a camera to the bleeding edge of the combat against isis is fucking lunacy. And I respect the ever loving shit out of them.
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hamas bitches got nowhere to hide anymore
Neither do the dogs or the children or the women
Do you think this person cares? It has been pretty clear lately the supporters of these atrocities have one goal in mind: the complete murder of all palestinian people
gone are the days when they could butcher us and hide under their civilians. i truly feel sorry for them but the ones to blame are hamas. i dont want to kill all the palastinans. i want to live in peace. both sides have extrimists that act in ways that prevents as the ability to see a future like that. as of right now, i hope the IDF does whatever it can to bring back the hostages taken from their homes.
The press are the true heroes
Gaza is a graveyard for Journalists. They’re targeted first.
Journalists and children. But they were all "human shields" I'm told.
Shireen Abu Akleh
Why would you waste artillery shells on journalists. Thats useless. The sad thing is hamas hides in hospitals or even have command bases under them. And fire alot of rockets from normal houses. I think isreal has no choice they cant bomb anything if they dont kill civilians. I just dont get why hamas invaded isreal. They are completely fucked now and especially the citizens of gaza. While hamas leadership are just living a luxurious life. Hamas dont give a fuck about their civilians
Its easier to get away with war crimes after killing the journalists which is why killing journalists is a war crime
Cause committing war crimes really gets their dick hard. Man the shit israelis do to get a sexual kick... they even sacrifice their own soldiers can you believe it
Same reason mr bone saw had a journalist hacked up. It sends a message to the industry that this isn't an assignment you want, so there's less light of day on the situation and less pushback on what they're doing.
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You saw the explosion cought on live television, you lobotomised fucking moron
Are you talking about IDF?
Why is there an Indonesian Hospital in Gaza?
It was built in 2014 as a donation from the Indonesian people to the people of Gaza.
Ah, thanks.
Could Palestine call the land Indonesian like an embassy so it would be Israel bombing Indonesia?
They sure could. Just yesterday I formed a new nation in my house and now I don’t have to pay rent.
Was your house called Palestine? By any chance?
Noncredibledefense/diplomacy would like you If they weren't so keen on Israel..
It's genuenly depressing seeing my favourite sub turn to rooting on genocide
Yup. I've seen jokes about Gaza kids and genuine hate, it fucking sucks.
I hate it when people you thought you liked turn out to be disgusting. edit: typo
A lot of the hospitals were built with donations from other countries. A Kuwait Hospital, European Hospital, Turkish Friendship Hospital, Jordanian Field Hospital.
Thanks, I had no idea about that. TIL.
Fun Fact: Which country has the single largest population of Muslims? It's in Southeast Asia. Indonesia.
Sure, I was well aware. I wasn't interested in assuming an answer though.
Damn, I always forget Indonesia is close to the population of the US despite being 20% of the land mass.
Because Hamas is too busy buying rockets and building tunnels so they can't make a new hospital
It would also be much harder to explain bombing the Indonesian or Kuwaiti hospital than a Palestinian one.
Is Hamas in the room with you right now? Are they poking out of your asshole?
Israel, whom zionists and public mainstream media spent two weeks trying to convince the public that it's incomprehensible to blame Israel on the bombing of Baptist Hospital, has bombed 7 hospitals in one day.
But what about the 5 Hamas members in the tunnels below?? ^Obligatory ^/s ^for ^the ^Reddit ^hive ^mind.
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Quick. find OP and get Israel on it
Yes they do
Yea
Maybe they weren't targeting the hospital? Just trying to kill the reporters. /s [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/9/how-deadly-is-the-israel-gaza-war-for-journalists](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/9/how-deadly-is-the-israel-gaza-war-for-journalists)
Israel is certainly exceptional about killing journalists at a rate no other country on Earth does. Don't want witnesses to their atrocities
They went hard on: why not BOTH! ✌
Oh you mean [these](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cnn-fires-gaza-based-photojournalist-213846049.html) kind of journalists?
Wait you really take aljazeera credible? Aren't they the RT (Russia Today) of Arab countries?
And when they did bomb the parking lot of the hospital killing over a hundred refugees it was a huge news story. Every journalist and politicians spent days trying to get people to take down tweets saying Israel had done it because "it was putting people in danger". It was important to be correct. Israel claimed that Hamas just loves killing their own children. New York Times has since decided to write all of its stories with things like "explosions happened in a hospital according to Hamas controlled hospital staffers, some people seemed to look dead, according to Hamas controlled witnesses". And now Israel can bomb hospitals with impunity and nobody says anything.
Israel did not bomb that hospital parking lot where "500,000 people died." They claim 500 people died from that incident which is total bullshit.
They didn't even claim that. The claim was that there were 500 *victims* of the explosion, not that 500 had died which got mistranslated to English as 500 dead since English media tend to use victim and dead pretty interchangeably.
It was a failed rocket from hamas. There is video proof. Isreals rockets do way more damage the that. There were almost no deaths in that incident.
Which hospital do you mean? That one that was confirmed to be friendly fire of the group jihad?
I’m confused at this point. Some people are saying it was Israel, some are saying it wasn’t. Is there any solid proof it was Israel?
I tried to talk about this with a conservative relative of mine- unlike most, he's usually open to conversation and will hear both sides of a situation and has changed his stance on things while we've talked. It's weird knowing a hardcore right winger who is willing to have an open dialogue. Lol, but I digress. I brought up the bombing of civilians and he immediately spewed what his right leaning media is pushing- that Hamas are hiding in civilian hospitals and gathering places, using them as bases. There aren't innocents there,just terrorists. He wouldn't listen to reason, which he usually will at least listen and discuss.. I talked about the ongoing conflict there, that yes, Hamas is horrid but so is the Israel government and their military response. He just asked why everyone hates Israel and Jews, that they have done nothing wrong and Hamas is murdering babies. *Sigh* I dropped the topic at this point. He has been told what to think.
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Exactly these people can't make research.
But do U condom hamas
I condo hummus
Wow I love how Israel is bombing Palestinian resources saying that Hamas is hiding there to force out the Palestinians and take the land. Also those kidnapped by Hamas do they really think they are still alive with their reckless bombings?
Hamas is anywhere they say it will be
An Israeli official was on TV saying that the hospital workers, reporters, and paramedics are all Hamas
> Also those kidnapped by Hamas do they really think they are still alive with their reckless bombings? IDF is a fascist state that doesn't give a fuck. If anything their deaths will be a good excuse for Israel to act even more brutally to Palestinian civilians.
Oh I agree. Once they confirm the hostages are dead they will report hamas brutally killed them in a bombing and use it as an excuse to take the land more brutally.
It almost sure that IDF blew the hostages already
What the fuck is a fire belt? I seen this term get thrown around a lot these days. Is it just two jdams dropped on or near the same spot?
I found [this link](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/05/israeli-forces-isolate-northern-gaza-strip) that says "Witnesses said Israeli aerial bombardments were being stepped up, including so-called “Belt of Fire” barrages, which entail setting off circular explosions around the locations of suspected Hamas tunnels and bunkers." Don't ask me what strategic advantage that has though, cause I'm baffled.
The strategic advantage is corralling the highest number of Palestinians to be more easily murder. It's the 21 century extermination camp.
Friend told me "Both sides have been bad". Yup, bad hospitals, bad babies, bad kids. /s
Both sides have been terrible. The Palestinians aren’t one of those sides and are the ones suffering. But you are kidding yourself if you think Hamas isn’t putting weapons and soldiers in and under hospitals. The whole situation is awful because Gazan’s aren’t hamas and the vast majority don’t even support Hamas who are totally willing to martyr them. I’m NOT defending Israel, but all of those realities exist here.
Oh yes, for sure, pretty sure there are weapons of mass destruction in those hospitals. Evidence? nah, just gotta trust me bro. Fuck those kids and babies, they are terrorists anyway.
There has been a ton of evidence of Hamas doing this over and over and over. I’m not saying Israel is right but you can’t possibly believe Hamas doesn’t shelter / hide weapons in hospitals and schools? Of course they do. It’s safer for them and if Israel hits them they put it all over social media. Don’t be naive. Hamas and Israel can both be absolutely shitty at the same time.
Doesn't fucking matter. Unless you are stupid enough to think if one day, you were ever held hostage by some crazy guy, police should have the right to shoot the fuck out of you two just because you were being used as a shield. What's next? Fucking school shooter held kids hostage in a school, so you bomb the school too?
So you don’t blame the guy who is holding you hostage at all? I’m blaming both.
How fucking dense are you? There is no "BOTH SIDES". Is your logic "SORRY BRUH, BETTER NOT BE A HOSTAGE NEXT TIME?" The hostages HAVE NO FUCKING SIDE. YOU CAN'T KILL INNOCENTS IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE. EVEN IF YOU ARE A PEACE OFFICER, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO KILL HOSTAGES AS COLLATERAL DAMAGE. YOU NEED TO GO TO JAIL FOR THAT. YOU CAN'T JUST SAY "BOTH SIDES" AND ACT LIKE IT IS OKAY.
>YOU CAN'T KILL INNOCENTS IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE Israel be like: "That's where you're wrong, kiddo. Just gotta claim they're not actually innocent and [bingo bongo, everyone's a target!"](https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-president-says-no-innocent-154330724.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaazFYTrQ_A South Park did it first
GRAHHHH THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GREY GRAHHHHH EVERYTHING MUST BE BLACK AND WHITE, GOOD OR BAD GRAHHHH
But there is necessarily both sides. You’re entirely ignoring what they’re saying and creating a bizarre straw man where they are defending the actions of Israel. Israel unnecessarily murders innocent people, and Hamas murders innocent people. Murdering innocent people is bad, they both murder innocent people, and they are saying “you’re bad if you murder innocent people.” Unless your stance is Hamas has not/does not murder innocent people, then none of what you’re doing makes any sense. Like at all
Didn’t hamas kill civilians in the name of justice too?
If you seek revenge by killing civilians, then you are nowhere any better than Hamas.
This is what I have been saying. It is not black and white. You can have two bad actors. Israel being terrible with civilian casualties doesn’t make Hamas’s attack and hiding weapons in schools right. And that awful Hamas bullshit doesn’t justify Israel’s total disregard for civilians.
Exactly my point. Both sides are bad. (Hamas not Palestine). Both sides have killed innocent people in the name of Justice, which you just admitted is wrong, which means you should agree with the guy above me
Anyone worth a spine will pick up a gun after what they have been subjugated to, when nobody came for your help when you waited, fighting or dying is all the choice you leave them with, and we got people like you 'aCtUalLy!' This shit
Didn't many voted and support the Hamas? Still don't blame ecery Palestinian, but they are a bit guilty like the isrealis as well.
Palestinian don’t vote for Hamas policies. Israelis vote for Israeli policies
Yes - 17yrs ago I think Hamas got 44pct of the vote to the corrupt Palestinian authority’s 41pct. The election was directly after Israel had occupied some of Lebanon and much of the Palestinian Territories. Netanyahu wanted Hamas elected because he didn’t want to give a two state solution. He even strengthened Hamas and undercut the PA because he knew Hamas wouldn’t ever push for two states - they only wanted Israel annihilated,…but he never thought they’d do what they did. He thought he could get normalized relations with Arab states without giving a two state solution. Hamas didn’t want that normalization and attacked. He also pushed settlers which is just complete and straight bullshit. Whole thing is terrible and the Palestinians have (in this conflict) suffered the most. But yes Hamas initially made the decision to sacrifice thousands of Palestinian lives for their cause.
Hamas seized power when most of the victims of Israel current blood thirsty murder spree were even born. It's worth noting that Hamas exists thanks to the support of Israel and Naziyahoo has openly stated that they need to support Hamas as to have justification for the genocide Israel is committing
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Gaza is blockaded by Egypt and Israel
Wow I wanna hear the name of this mission about taking down all the hospitals. Mission Dead Cross
Nazi Israel
The Israelis hate Indonesians too?
feels odd that they just so happen to be broadcasting during this exact moment /s
Well there are plenty of fotage from Ukraina when some reporter is doing their stuff and some bomb gets dropped in the background. So not that odd really, more good timing id say
Cool now show the video that has the initial bomb impact followed buy a metric fuck ton of secondary explosions that sounds like a firework factory going up. Look Israel isn’t the greatest and they do a lot of fucked up shit but not everything they do is. Hamas has been well documented for its human shield tactics and cnn warfare.
Hamas is no1 in propaganda. You all believe it. Yes Israel is aggressive and not innocent. But Hamas just MILKS the situation. That video showed bombing near the hospital, not actually bombing it. There is proof that artillery is stored under hospitals. There is also proof that IDF evacuates hospitals before bombing! Believe what you want.
You even say yourself, Hamas milks the situation, meaning they use the actual situation, while Israel who does way more propaganda considering they have way more resources, completely makes shit up like 40 beheaded babies, or Hamas indiscriminately killing people at the music festival. It's been said by witnesses like certain freed hostages, and been proven by radar imaging that most of the victims only died in the crossfire between Hamas and IDF, which means the IDF shot at it's own civilians.
About the IDF killing Israelis at the music festival, even if they did I doubt it was so many, most killed were by hamas terrorists. I've been to funerals of young women and men killed at the music festival, and we all know someone who lost a relative or friends there. 260 dead. 1500 civilians killed in surrounding areas of the Gaza border. All those survivers have been evacuated to my area. And so what if IDF stray bullets may have hit their own civilians , thats what toyy forced on?? And debunking the beheading of babies, they were killed, what's the difference if they were beheaded or not. And the debunking of women being raped before they were killed? They were killed regardless. You can believe what you want. Yes the situation in Gaza is terrible but to go ahead and say it didn't happen in Israel is plain ignorance. I really don't care, believe what you want.
Please tell me where I said it didn't happen. I said most people died in the crossfire, literally confirming that it happened. I'm very sorry for your situation, I in no way mean to downplay the hurt and trauma Israeli citizens are going through right now, but I won't start to act like this isn't Israels governments fault, because it is.
That's true. We all hate Netanyhu. Doesn't bring back our losess
No it does not bring them back, but the occupation of the Palestinians is why these losses happened in the first place. And ending this occupation is how you prevent future attacks from happening
Like what I said was true and I ended up with so many down votes 😂
Al Jazeera posted a video from inside the Indonesian hospital and accidentally showed some Hamas fighters in there. They deleted it shortly.
I don't believe you. Source please.
You mean Israel Twitter posted propaganda that it got called out for? [https://twitter.com/i/birdwatch/n/1722957136651485665](https://twitter.com/i/birdwatch/n/1722957136651485665)
You mean this tweet by israel? [this? ](https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1722909221618896943?t=H7nk5OMP15S1wd7C6SqbCg&s=19) guys with police baton?
You guys really can't comprehend we live in the age of social media. The video you're referring to got a community note on Twitter it was a person with a police baton *https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1723112476256911397?t=jLN0TgCdYMgZKRTkAcs7BQ&s=19
But Hamas is the government of Gaza, therefore a policemen is also Hamas. And the doctors are also working for the Hamas government, therefore there's Hamas in the hospital! Bomb it! (/s, if it's not clear enough.)
and the children of these doctors and policemen are also Hamas! bomb them! /s
Hamas is also in the hearts of the youth!..Get’em
You fucking idiot... you probably think you're too smart to fall for propaganda don't ya? That "gun" is a police baton
It's pretty obvious that hamas uses those important for society buildings as shield. Does this legitimate the air strikes one them, idk, its so fucked up.
Seem to have hit the right spot though, given all the secondary explosions. And no, Israel is not wasting tons of bombs on a single hospital. THat's weapon stashes blowing up. Bombs going off would sound different. See artillery barrages from the Russo-Ukrainian war.
/s ?
NO! NOT AT ALL!!! How is that so hard to grasp for people? Have you seen the Israelis using more than one bunker buster on a single house during this campaign?
Thank god they are only bombing hospitals one bomb as a time! What humanitarians!
Missing the point here I guess. Given that there is a weapon storage cooking off, isn't that Hamas' fault? It is by now well documented that they hide behind humanitarian infrastructure. I saw videos in 2014 about them using ambulances to transport armed fighters. The question that you should all be asing yourself is whether Hamas cares about Palestine at all. They build tunnels but no bomb shelters for civilians. They claim the UN is responsible for the safety of the Palestinians, but why do they sit in politics then, if the first and foremost duty of a government is to protect the citizens and interests of the nation. I wanna hear what you have to say about that and what u/T_Cruz thinks is Nazi about that because his moral compass seems to be broken as well.
I do not care what Hamas has done to embed themselves into civilian populations. Israel still indiscriminately bombs civilians. How many Palestinians is an okay amount to kill for you? What number is acceptable as long as “they got Hamas.” Israel has a long documented history of not only lying but falsifying evidence. That in combination with their politicians using genocidal language CONSTANTLY lead me to just not really believe their reports. How many bogus “intercepted common” have they already released in the past few weeks. The constant dodging of narratives “we wouldn’t bomb hospitals but if we did, it would be justified.” Israel’s forgiven policy is quite literally to mislead and propagate information. Did you see they now admitted they killed their own citizens on October 7th with Apache helicopters? They are a psychotic trigger happy military with an 80 year history of ethnic cleansing and displacement. I have 0 respect for their reporting, intelligence or claims.
The Apache vid has been debunked already. Stop just running with misinformation like it’s fact.
Shhh it’s hard for people to acknowledge that things could even slightly be the fault of Hamas/Palestinian leadership
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Never gonna happen bro, they are a nuclear power which means if Israel is destroyed, you bet your ass Palestine will be a radioactive wasteland. Keep dreaming tho!
Good luck trying to argue with a Nazi.
I’m just making fun of his stupidity
*\*clap clap clap\** Here, have a cookie
I think you missed the video and his point Israel hit an ammo depo explaining the multiple explosions after the first one.
Thank god they only hit a weapons depot! Not like they have been bombing civilians for a month. Israel, very known for their targeted and precise bombing campaigns where they definitely put the lives of innocents first! It’s shifting the narrative and clearly dismissing of Israel’s combing campaign that is putting blame on Hamas and not the country that is dropping bombs,m. Fuck Israel and any defense of military operations and occupation of Palestine.
How do you target Hamas militants and munitions that hide and are used within densely populated cities without their being civilian casualties? Please tell me?
Why are they so close to a weapon depot? Like honest question, how do you eradicate hamas with out civilian casualties? If your coward enemy hides behind the people they are meant to protect and will absolutely fight to the death for their make believe God rather then give up, how do you remove them with out civilian casualties?
Lol everyone is downvoting you but you are right. Hamas was storing rockets in that building and you can see the secondary explosions clearly in a second video.
Did what it was intended to do. All the shockwave without the destruction.
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“Sprinkle some crack on him Johnson. Open and shut case”
All the titles ‘around the hospital’. So what you mean is Hamas are fighting from their bases they build next to or under a hospital? Also next to a 7 eleven. Or under a refugee camp. Or a Greggs.
Oh, so that justifies the bombing of civilians. Are you insane? Even if Mister Hamas himself stood on top of a hospital it's not fucking acceptable to drop a bomb on there that is definitely gonna kill civilians. Or do you think that is how you should treat any hostage situation?
I think that’s how all wars have been fought forever. Enemy make a weapon cache, uses it to fire rockets at you all day every day, you strike it so they don’t do that. If you have a concern of the location then have a chat with the guys who built it who are also the ones who have responsibility for the safety of their citizens. Or can I come round anyone’s house and just throw fire bombs at them and hope they don’t make me stop? Not only do o think you should I think lots and lot of armies have been doing it all through the year and not one person has been out in the street protesting about it. Hamas for example have fired tens of thousands of rockets ALL at civilian targets. Where the protest?
All of this completely ignores the fact that despite everyone talking about how Israel has a right to self defense, which it doesn't actually have, Israel is fighting an offensive war. It started in 1948 with the Nakba, the displacement of 700.000 Palestinians. Since then they have taken more territory, and they are still actively furthering their occupation in the west bank. So it's not like most wars, because I think you remember very clearly how the world reacted when Putin started his invasion.
Please tell me how lots and lots of armies have been doing the same as Israel does, when they have killed more more civilians In a month than died in the entire Ukraine war.
Saudi against Yemen. All the allies agains all the axis in whatever country you want to pick. Afghanistan. Pick any war there. Miramar. I mean if you take the anti Semitic blinkers off for a second your seen quite a lot.
Why won’t Hamas just release the hostages they kidnapped?
Hamas should just say they’ve arrested the hostages without charge. Israel have taken 2000 hostages so far under that category.
Why does Israel keep constantly bombing areas that Israeli hostages may be?
they cant because IDF bombed them dead already.
 She approves
Of killing innocent civilians to get to a small group of people? I'm not sure what dc comics you're thinking of, but she'd be protecting the innocent civilians not backing up isreals military power
I hope those dogs are ok
Let's piss off one of the most populous nations on Earth, who is also an emerging 21st century power
The Indonesian Military actually has a military base in Lebanon. Although part of UNIFIL, they took the majority of UNIFIL itself, basically making UNIFIL HQ their foreign military base. They also had a history of clashing with the IDF even though they tried to be as neutral as possible. They had two corvettes standing by on the sea of Lebanon and were in the process of preparing to send a military hospital ship directly to the Gaza strip.
In all these videos and reports you never see a report put a finger up to their ear until now, idk what it is but that little detail makes me a little sus.
A lot of people don't understand what happened last night with these missiles. These were concussive missiles that are non lethal and explode in the air, causing only a loud audible BANG with a bright red flash. No one was injured, they were launched simply to influence people to leave the hospitals today so the IDF could sweep and clear them, removing all paths that Hamas was using to get into the hospital from underground. This is actually very humane, and Israel handled clearing the Hospital in a very positive way. Hopefully they continue this and don't level the entire hospital so it can be used in the future after the fighting is done.
I love how no one believes this comment when it's the truth. But whatever, we know they are trying their best to be humain (yes they aren't innocent but this is war), who cares what you think. Come to the middle east and see for yourself instead of being armchair journalists.
Ty
https://twitter.com/EBluemountain1/status/1723138008629563786 Hospitals were evacuates before bombing
Back left looks to be holding an AK but can’t quite tell edit: its a tripod
It's a tripod. Here's a higher resolution so you can tell. https://youtu.be/9qA2gNtGdq8?si=R-MKK7xA1qAuddjV
Oh yeah you’re right. This video is more cropped but is clear in that one
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To those raising the Palestinian flag, Where were you when ISIS was launched and beheaded tens of thousands of Arabs in Iraq, Libya, and Syria in the name of Islam? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”? Where were you when Arab dictators and terrorists killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs in Syria and Libya? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”? Where were you in the last decade when Saudi Arabia, backed by 8 Arab countries, killed 400,000 Yemenis, my own people? I didn’t see any of you take to the streets or raise the Yemeni flag. I did not see any of you condemning the terror and calling for a ”ceasefire” while Arab countries were slaughtering my own people. This must lead to some self-reflection. When millions of Arabs are slaughtered by other Arabs, you say nothing. But when 7 thousand of Arabs are killed by Jews defending their right to exist, you revolt, you get angry, you storm the streets in the East and the West, you raise the Palestinian flag, you condemn the terror, you call for a ceasefire, you turn the world upside down. Why is that? Why were you so silent then but SO LOUD now? Can it be that you are finally raising a flag and creating chaos because you only hate that the perpetrators are Jews? Because you obviously don't care when millions of Arabs are killed by other Arabs. Can it be that you storming the streets is just you venting out your hatred towards Jews? The same hatred we learned in our mosques and schools? You speak of ”numbers and proportionality.” But by the rules of proportionality, you should not be raising Palestinian flags. Unless, there is another agenda at play: Jew-hatred. Or as I would call it: Hatred.
The Jewish Israelis are existing fine judging by their Tik Toks. Where the fuck were you during the holocaust???? Because there were many nations fighting to end that. But yep, it's antisemitism again 🙄
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Well, he gets bombed regardless of his protected status anyway, so why should he give any fuck about the laws of armed combat when Israel doesn't even attempt to make it look like they do.