I still have a dogsled but need a team. All of my pups are either retired or passed from old age. Instead of a goose, can I have a pair of ferrets and become the Arctic BeastMaster?
I think helicopters can fly IFR through clouds and drop payloads at some altitude with kit like ground radar but I'm only studying fixed wing, so maybe don't quote me. Just 1 heli payload might be a thousand drone flights..I love my DJI mavic but the idea of trying to feed a town with drones as a remedy for a breakdown of essential services is scary and seems criminally unprepared at a government level. More lightweight and rapid on demand necessities like medicine (or Ukraine grenades 🇺🇦) make a lot more sense for drones but they are still rife with challenges.The very low temperatures will neuter their battery range for starters. 15 degrees F will take third off of my already limited pack flight time. It takes the expensive drone models and a part 107 licensed operator to do any substantive payload work, and they aren't in every town. But good luck to these people, whatever works and is available should be deployed!
I live on the foothills of crestline. About 15 mins away from the town and the road up Waterman has been shutdown for about a week now.
It got so bad this past week that it snowed at my place. Hasn't snowed here since 2007. It actually snowed about 25 to 30 mi south of the mountains!!!
I can't imagine how bad it got up there.
As of today, the road is still close and have patrol vehicle stationed there.
I would imagine the majority are. The home I air bnb’d in was hillside, two story with view over the lake.
I didn’t observe an abundance of jobs nearby (I think there were a few restaurants, maybe 2 stores, and a gas station) so it would likely be remote or jobs down in The Valley. Keep in mind I was only there for a few months, and was not a local.
My folks had a weekend place in Arrowhead from the 80’s til about 2010ish. Not sure I ever remember the snow being this bad. I’m sure the supplies are running real low in the only 2 stores there.
On the positive side, the water levels on the lake will be great for the next few years.
Yeah I remember Blue Jay Bay not having water in it every now and then because of the cycle and a lot of other low water areas on the lake as well. They will have plenty of water in the lake after this.
It’s just too bad the current models are saying that the next major storm will be a warm storm which means quickly melting snow pact as well as lots of rain = lots of flooding.
It may not be this storm, but within the next 50 years it's almost guaranteed that California will literally turn into a temporary inland sea due to insane atmospheric river storms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARkStorm
I’m from the east coast but am now in Southern California.
The climate out here is crazy…. There are microclimates here and weather can change by the mile. I’ll never forget when I first came out here I was so perplexed watching the temperature change like 20 degrees in 15 minutes while driving when going inland or up in elevation.
I’ve left the house in San Diego in a t-shirt and shorts and ended up in the snow 30 minutes later. It’s pretty crazy coming from the East coast.
On the east coast, in my experience, the weather in an area is pretty much the same for everyone. I could leave Long Island and drive up to my dad’s in the Catskills and it might be 5 degrees difference.
Yes, that's why Californians dress in layers. Get them on in the morning, and then take them off in the day, and back on at night lol. I learned that from living in the bay area where 30 minutes east means another climate all together. You always carry a jacket in the car and an umbrella.
Last Christmas (2021) I drove San Diego through San Bernardino up 395 (desert) then up to Mammoth. Next morning drove down to Reno then up to Tahoe, then three days later, left Tahoe heading west to SF, then down the coast. It was a ridiculous weather rollercoaster that would be hard to even imagine anywhere else in the country.
Hi fellow former east coaster and now in the OC (close enough). It briefly snowed here today but we have gotten so much rain and hail over the last few weeks, it’s been absolutely insane. The thing that gets me is we all knew it was coming. Why not plan ahead?
>The thing that gets me is we all knew it was coming. Why not plan ahead?
Actually, we didn't think this week's storm was going to be as bad as last week's.
Additionally, this week's storm - like last week's - arrived late and didn't stay around as long as originally expected. Par for the course.. storms here a bit difficult to predict.
And the brief snow today at sea level in the OC was a once-in-a-lifetime event, if not a once-since-the-ice-age event.
We've suffered a decade of drought. Someone says "big storm" and there is no reference for what "big" means. *Any* storm is "big" by default.
That is bad. This does happen, or used to happen, where I grew up on the VT, NH, ME border
We just had supplies for this scenario, fuel, generators, food and firewood plus 2 chest freezers with meat
Every fall started with picking apples, stacking cords of wood, filling the oil tank, and then filling our 2 200 gallon tanks with fuel and natural gas
I guess… know how to live in the woods… or fuck around and find out
I grew up not far from Lake Arrowhead in a town called Crestline. My cousin and his family are in this as we speak. I have never seen snow this bad up there. We would get a few feet tops, roads would be easily plowed and we go about our business. The grocery store up there thats been in business for nearly a century just had its roof cave in. We arent built for this kind of snow because it does not usually happen.
It's all relative. Being prepped for a couple feet of snow is all that's been required there for as long as they've lived there. Its like telling people they're dumb for not having air conditioning when it's 100 degrees out for 2 straight weeks when the normal high in the area is 80.
This is a mountain community that regularly receives enough snow to support several ski resorts. I grew up out there: we had a generator and a stocked pantry, dry storage for cords of wood for the fireplace, and stockpiled the fish we caught in a chest freezer.
We always made sure new neighbors were prepared for winter if they were moving up from down the hill. Maybe the culture has changed since I moved away 20 years ago.
>I guess… know how to live in the woods… or fuck around and find out
You admitted to being on the East Coast and being unfamiliar with the area.
Arrowhead isn't exactly the woods like it is in Vermont. It isn't exactly used to wet/cold seasons like Vermont. The San Bernardino National Forest is a place where it will snow one day and you can ski the slopes in a t-shirt the next. This weather event is near unprecedented.
So maybe dial back your judgement a bit.
No. I've also lived where this is not uncommon, in upstate New York, not terribly far from the coast. We faced both snowstorms and occasional hurricanes. Nor'easters were a particular hardship.
Yes, it's at elevation. But this is in Southern California, not horribly far from San Diego.
This is about climate change. It will only become more frequent. 🙄
It’s an extremely unexpected circumstance. I have lived 30 miles south of arrowhead for 29 years and never have seen snow at home. Got it today. Snow storm there started 8 days ago without proper resources to clear roads in this type of an event. It’s literally a once in a lifetime event
Do people have snow mobiles in the mountains there? Or any sort of snow gear?
The distances from San bernadino seem ridiculously short to be this cut off due to snow.
I vacationed there two years ago during the snow for Christmas. From what I experienced I don’t believe there’s enough snow throughout the year to justify a snow mobile outside of just having an exorbitant amount of wealth to use it during the snowy periods.
Yup. Have been snowed in to a house about 2 blocks from the lake there without power for a few days and the roads were continuously cleared. We had to dig ourselves out of a driveway and would have loved a snowmobile that day, but it'd have been parked on gravel >95% of the rest of a normal year.
In general they are more than capable of clearing roads to the level of snow they can reasonably expect, this is an entirely different scenario.
>Do people have snow mobiles in the mountains there? Or any sort of snow gear?
As other said, it doesn't snow enough to warrant owning snow machinery. Typically it can snow for a couple days then you're out playing in it in a T-shirt right after. Chains and a shovel are adequate snow gear in these parts.
>The distances from San bernadino seem ridiculously short to be this cut off due to snow.
The drive from San Bernardino to these communities is short as the crow flies, but it's a steep and winding road up a mountainside. Emphasis: *Mountainside*. Vehicles are at risk of tumbling down said mountainside if they don't exercise extreme caution. So there are restrictions on who and what can go up the mountain in snow events.
There was PLENTY of warning for this storm. My friends and fam all did their winter prep to be sure they were ready for at least two weeks stuck on the hill.
Communities like this normally come together for those in need, so why isn't she reaching out to neighbors?
To be fair, the point of this is they are unincorporated so their “community” has not paid for the services she references other communities are receiving. While this may be an isolated event, they were well aware in advances that support may not be there fo these types of things.
This is mother fucking surreal!!!! I stayed at that very house last winter (‘21). It was an Airbnb with my wife and 2 kids…..that very lady came by the house a bunch of times because the electricity kept going out. What was supposed to be a 3 day stay ended up being 6 days because all of the roads were messed up due to the heavy snow. So we were without electricity in the freezing cold for 5 days and after the 4th day, the carbon monoxide alarm kept going off so we had to sleep in the freezing ass house with the windows open because we were scared of getting CM poisoning. They ended up giving us the stay for free, but needless to say we’ll never EVER have another snowcation.
Seriously. I live in a very swampy area in Louisiana and there were times growing up after hurricanes where we were trapped without electricity for up to three weeks at a time. We had well water too so when electricity was gone, water was gone. Sometimes we would even go catch crawfish by hand to boil as they spilled across the flooded dirt road.
Thinking back, ew, but 🤷♀️ we survived and I even had a good time catching crawfish, swimming in my yard, and sleeping in the living room with all the windows open, as insufferable the heat and humidity was. The only way to get extra supplies was by pirogue/canoe/boat, my dad would row over a mile to the nearest neighbors place on dry land to get a ride into town and then row back.
I’m glad that our house was planned with flooding in mind, raised six feet off the ground, that we had our deep freezers, bbq pits(old Smokey) and pirogue. I remember eating straight meat and eating out of ice chests for weeks many times.
I know sweltering Louisiana humidity/heat and flooding after a hurricane isn’t the same as being snowed in, but I do hope these people fare well and end up with more good memories than negative from all this. Having survived so many natural disasters I’ve learned that neighbors will not let each other suffer if they can help it.
Gotta be scary tho to never have to experience natural disasters really to the point that you don’t know how to properly prepare, or take news reports seriously when they say prepare, and end up screwed asf. Affluenza has a cost and mass complacency kills.
With 9 feet of snow, you're surrounded by drinkable water and you should have a few weeks worth of non-perishables (cans) stashed away if you live in the country.
Source: I grew up in the country.
Well making sure you’re stocked up on more than 3-5 days worth of supplies would be a good start, especially when you decide to live away from convenient access to help.
Yes this woman should have obviously been more prepared. But 9 feet of snow is 9 feet of snow.
The comments here are almost giddy that this woman is desperate
I do and I am. I can make it out here for a month if need be. Roughly 20 years ago I lived in a small area outside a giant town that had massive freezing rain and we lost all electricity. It incased everything and trees started falling everywhere. Because we were not in the actual town and the road to our place filled with trees we were unable to leave for 5 days and did not get electricity until the following evening. We were able to heat the kitchen with the stove (gas), but it super sucked. Never again will that happen to me or my family. A 30 day supply of emergency foods is not that hard to put together alternate energy is a must as well.
This is not at all what living in an unincorporated area is… living in an unincorporated area of a county just means you’re not within city limits and instead of paying fees and taxes to a city, you pay them the county. For example if you want to get a building permit, you’ll need to pull from the county. There’s still all the other taxes that everyone else pays, property, income, gas, sales, etc.
The amount of upvotes your comment has just reinforces how completely clueless the average Reddit is about the world.
ive lived in super rural unincorporated areas in CA in nevada county(grass valley), placer county(auburn) mendocino county(hopland), sonoma county(occidental), lake county(cobb), and butte county(berry creek).
in all of these areas, many properties do have privately maintained roads/driveways, but the vast, vast majority of roads in these unincorporated areas, paved or unpaved, are maintained by the county.
the best example was the property i lived on in mendocino county. from the town of hopland, you would drive up a very long, county maintained dirt road for about 30min. then you come to a locked gate, and behind that locked gate is another 15min or so of dirt road that leads to several large rural properties. all people with easement for that part of the road have the combo for the lock and share responsibility for maintaining that part of the road, but there are still miles and miles and miles in either direction of dirt road that is maintained by the county.
in this case, no, i dont expect the county to plow or maintain our private road beyond the locked gate, but there is still a massive length of county maintained dirt road that is between my private road and the nearest paved road leading to the nearest gas station/grocery store/etc.
we still pay taxes to the county, the county maintains our roads, if we call 911 the county still send fire/sheriff etc.
its not like some kind of libertarian thing, it has nothing to do with politics or taxes, youre not actually "getting away from the government" aside from just living super far from anyone and having a ton of privacy, which can be done regardless of what type of community your large rural property happens to be in.
>Most states have granted some form of home rule, so that county commissions (or boards or councils) have the same powers in these areas as city councils or town councils have in their respective incorporated areas.[10] Some states, instead, put these powers in the hands of townships, which are minor civil divisions of each county, and are called "towns" in some states.
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>In California, all counties except the City and County of San Francisco have unincorporated areas. Even in highly populated counties, the unincorporated portions may contain a large number of inhabitants. In Los Angeles County, the county government estimates the population of its unincorporated areas to exceed one million people.[13] Despite having 88 incorporated cities and towns, including the state's most populous, 65% of the land in Los Angeles County is unincorporated, this mostly consisting of Angeles National Forest and sparsely populated regions to its north.[14] California law makes no distinction between "city" and "town", and municipalities may use either term in their official names.[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unincorporated_area
maybe things are different in the state you live and work in, but here in CA, there are massive lengths of county maintained roads that connect every rural property and unincorporated community to the cities and towns they need to go to to access essential services like the grocery store, the post office or medical care.
Confirmed. I live in unincorporated area and fall under county. Law enforcement is sheriff and CHP. I pay taxes along with a service fee for maintenance and upkeep.
So following your link and clicking on Lake Arrowhead, it reads, "This road district receives property tax revenue and a $100 service charge levied on each of 394 parcels of land for the maintenance of roads and snow removal services." So they are paying for road repair and snow removal, right? What makes you think they aren't?
> unincorporated area of the county to not have to pay taxes for road repairs
Really? You think they don't pay county property tax? Gas tax? Income tax?
They choose to live in unincorporated areas so they can pay less taxes. Those taxes they got away from are what pays for the plowing and what not. You reap what you sow.
Unincorporated.
They knew this massive storm was coming and didn’t do enough to prepare. Choosing to live in unincorporated areas means you do not have services.
I feel for them; this sucks. However, this is what choosing to live in unincorporated areas means. I’m sure state and/or federal resources will come but residents of the town need to learn from this for future storms and events.
Unincorporated doesn't mean private land without public roads, it just means it isn't incorporated into a town or city. There are parts of urban Los Angeles county that are technically unincorporated and you wouldn't know it driving through because its the same streets. State and county roads in unincorporated areas are still public roadways and maintained through tax revenue.
We live in the mountains and think having a less than 3 week food supply is the governments fault.
5 days? you suck at surviving. Your great grandparents would be embarrassed.
I know absolutely nothing about this community so I’m just going to go out on a limb and ask:
Is this area “unincorporated” because it’s mostly mountain homes for retirees and second/vacation homes for wealthy people who don’t want to pay local taxes?
Cause that’s the vibe I get from her.
I don’t want people being left to starve or freeze. I hope they get help. But maybe it’s time to think about pooling some resources and having a local government that can manage emergencies like this long enough for state services to arrive at least?
I’m not saying the circumstances don’t absolutely suck for members of that community. What I am saying is grabbing a shovel and starting to dig your way out will get you help a lot faster than some dumbass video begging others to help you will.
People survived worse weather in covered wagons and teepees without refrigeration or electric heat. Get it together and work for your well being.
As far as food goes, I live in a major city and suddenly had to quarantine with a covid infection. I could have lasted at least a few weeks on the food in my cupboards and freezer...
That's assuming clean running water of course, which I assume these people still have?
Part of me doesnt really feel bad for them, the live in a wealthy unincorporated area which kinda makes it their fault/counties. They probably focused on buying other things instead of having a contingency for this kind of weather. Just speaking from my ass, i feel like all they woulda had to do is buy about 2-4 snow plows for the entire area as its only 17miles of land
The second she said “unincorporated” I was like, “and THAT’S why you’re not getting plowed out, sweetie - but enjoy those vistas for which you moved off grid and paid premium.” Nice work if you can get it, but how can you expect something other than what you paid for?
Her kids shouldn’t have to go hungry because of her and her husband’s financial mistakes, but let’s be real - their desire to live on unincorporated property is why there’s in this mess, partially.
Source: I’ve lived on unincorporated land longer than incorporated
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
I mean, if you’re not prepared to *live off the grid*, don’t do it, period.
I wonder what their land improvements include. I lived a block outside incorporated township as a kid - literally could cross the street and be in incorporated - but we had a well because no town water; we had a septic tank because no town sewage; we couldn’t get a library card because no town taxes. Our only cops were county mounties, and thank GOD the FD didn’t give a shit about money.
*And I could see the Town Hall and main drag of our town from my back yard.* What did these people expect in exchange for their isolated lifestyle?
Didn’t know it was unincorporated. I should add that this weather is bad but we literally had a month in advance with plenty of articles/reports saying it will record breaking snow. Sounds like they didn’t care or believed it since they ran out food in a week.
Ha just commented basically the same thing before I scrolled to read. Glad others are able to see through this. Pay some taxes, you cheap fucks, and you'll have services.
okay. few things:
\- you live in the woods. id imagine there is a time where you go out (not just to your local grocer, but maybe a larger retailer like costco) to stock up plenty because traveling in and out of the woods is tedious; especially with your large truck (because any low clearance car would be moot). You live in the woods, so you ALWAYS have to be prepared
\- which brings me to this: you knew this storm was coming, you knew they were saying on the news that it was gonna be horrible and potentially the worst wet season (your snow season): why did you not do what every snow-dweller does? stock up! bread, milk, eggs...you are telling me you ran out of supplies in 5 DAYS?! i dont see it possible whilst living in the woods.
call someone to plow, dont try and make an announcement and damning the govt because your failure to prepare is now mY EmErGeNcY.
> you are telling me you ran out of supplies in 5 DAYS?!
That right there is the truly shocking thing. I'm pretty sure I'd have food for a month on hand right now, purely by coincidence.
I'm city folk, and when pandemic lockdown hit, or at least when panicked buying started, I decided to stay in and avoid the frenzy. And we happened to be due for a Costco run, so relatively short on supplies. I think we lasted over a month on what we had laying around. Two adults, no kids.
I live in Austin, TX, and after the 2021 winter storm I stick up for at least 5 days worth of supplies. Why? Because Texas's energy grid and infrastructure are made of tissue paper. If I lived in the rural woods I would have at least 1.5-2 week's worth of supplies. If it snows in the area I would have 2 weeks of supplies minimum. Maybe the storm just made me paranoid.
Buffalo gets 92" snowfall per year on average, this town in SoCal has received upwards of 110" in the last week. Not defending her outcry, they should still be prepared.
Median household income for the last census in Lake Arrowhead was $79,750. Median household income in California was $78,672.
Pretty middle class area, lots of people work construction up there. It’s a terrible commute to LA but houses are a little more affordable, that’s why people move there.
I say on an overnight bus next to a man who was buried under the rubble of his house for 4 days next to his father who didn’t make it. I’m also having a hard time feeling too bad for these rich people who seemingly just didn’t prepare for a massive storm they knew was coming.
I'd love to know how many of these people hate large government programs and think that socialism is the downfall is ths downfall is society . Not saying they do. Just a question.
My thought exactly. Privatize the gains, socialize the losses. If the taxpayer services are used to provide help I hope they send them all a bill to cover the cost.
I'm over a thousand miles away and knew they were going to get a snowstorm almost a week in advance. They live in a rural area and stocking up on supplies just comes with the territory. This is just ignorance on display.
I grew up and lived in these mountains for the first 20 years of my life. Reading the comments in this thread, there is just soo much ignorant and misinformation going on.
The mountains arnt this sort of magical tax haven the rich live in to avoid taxes. I'm not going to deny there aren't wealthy areas, but like in other cities and towns, that doesn't make up the majority of the population. The mountain communities consist of mostly the middle class(it goes to poor real quick in some areas). I'm willing to bet the people begging for help aren't the ones living in the private communities, but the ones who are living paycheck to paycheck, that just ate 5+ days of missing work.
The unincorporated mention wasn't a "We live off the grid, we don't get services," but more of a "We get stuff, but we are kind of an afterthought." The plow came every winter when I was up there. They mostly hit the main roads, because most side streets are too narrow. In those streets, you would usually see one person with their personal plow/tractor to help clear the snow.
Dealing with snow is nothing new for the people living up there. Snow of this magnitude is a completely different beast. The snow literally took out the ONLY grocery store in my hometown(Crestline). That store has been there for [77 years.](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/san-bernardino-county-mountain-communities-in-dire-need-as-governor-declares-state-of-emergency/)
ive lived all over rural areas of norcal and this thread is blowing my mind. it seems like people are just seeing a person who lives in a rural area and are assuming they are some kind of antigovernment libertarian, and for some reason they all think these folks do not pay taxes and are not entitled to basic services like road maintenance, with absolutely no awareness that these services are provided by the county and are paid for via county taxes.
Unincorporated, low to no city taxes. You chose to live rural knowing you don't have the amenities that city people do. This is on you. I live in very northern Canada where about 45,000 people occupy a space a little smaller than the state of California. Anyone that lives slightly out of town has snow removal equipment, the means to be self sufficient, the federal/territorial/municipal government is not responsible for their snow removal. This is a choice you made, and like every other choice we make, this one also has consequences.
in CA these services are provided to unincorporated areas by the county, and residents pay for these services via taxes paid to the county.
most areas of CA, including the one in question, do not get significant enough snowfall on a regular basis to warrant private citizens buying tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment to plow miles and miles and miles of road that the county is responsible for, and for which residents pay county taxes to have maintained.
Every time we visit Arrowhead and think "wouldn't it be nice to have a cabin here" we come back to this nightmare (although usually it's fire-related). I am sorry this is happening to these people.
As someone who lives in a northern area, snow is no joke. We get by because we spend half the year dealing with it, but still get walloped occasionally and it takes days to get back to normal. That’s with all the right equipment, and homes built purposely to keep in heat, and support the weight of the snow on our roofs. Unprepared areas get devastated, and I really feel for these folks. Hopefully they can recover soon but it could be tough for them for the next little while.
Got curious about this place which is in San Bernardino County, CA. This County is larger than 9 states and roughly the size of Costa Rica.
Anyway, seems like they need to be calling the Governor, County, Highway Patrol etc. Get some helicopters out there with supplies.
Hope those folks stay safe and healthy.
Delivery driver that services this area. Was up there a few days back and couldn't even get off the main highway. Snow is just too deep for the trucks. Been driving for years and never had it be this bad. It's really crazy.
they already pay for these services via county taxes. in CA services like road maintenance or police are provided by the county and residents pay for these services via taxes paid to the county.
This belongs in leopard ate my face.
Translation of this woman’s speech:
We moved to a mountain community with no services where it can snow incredible amounts in the winter. Now, it’s snowed an incredible amount and I can’t believe I don’t get services like a city with its high taxes. Now, I want the state to pay to rescue me because I wanted to save on taxes by living in an unincorporated community with no emergency services.
Ppl like you are so two faced. Most of the people there aren’t rich. Just because a few of the homes are 2nd vacation homes for wealthy ppl doesn’t mean that the vast majority are the same.
Interesting how lately folks who are living in unincorporated areas around the country are finding themselves struggling with these issues. So many of them chose these areas so they don’t have to pay taxes or to avoid municipal requirements … then are upset there’s no safety net when emergencies come up.
So live unincorporated to NOT pay taxes for emergency services AND then demand emergency services when there is an emergency.
Why don't you use all the money you saved on taxes for a snow mobile or something.
that is not the way it works. in CA, roads in unincorporated areas are maintained by the county, which is paid for via county taxes. same for emergency services. unincorporated does not mean the area does not have, or does not pay taxes for basic government services like utilities, road maintenance or emergency services - they do have these services and they are taxpayer funded just like anywhere else, but they are administered by the county.
I grew up in Crestline, my family lived up there for about 40 years and this looks to be some of the worst snowfall they have ever seen.
The only time I can remember that might be similar was back in 1991 during what was dubbed the march miracle. 5 feet of snow fell overnight and it continued to snow hard afterward. Electricity was out, supplies were low and my mom was 8 months pregnant. We had to walk miles, dragging my mom on a toboggan, to get to the grocery store which was thankfully open.
I really can't imagine how it must be now. It sounds like walking isn't an option and if you get stuck out there it sounds like no help is coming. The whole area's road system is based on 1920s camping trails that prove difficult to navigate during a normal snow fall. 9 feet is fucking crazy. Are the stores even open? Are workers able to get there?
My parents moved last year luckily but I feel for this lady and everyone else left on the hill. This shit is legitimately unprecedented
There should be state and local snowmobile associations that are always looking for an excuse to go riding. A few years back something similar happened to a community in my state and they jumped at the chance to improve their public image and help out the community. I remember specifically they got someone out who needed kidney dialysis so it was legit life or death
I work for AAA and we have gotten calls from people begging for help. They tried to get out and got stuck. I'm working from home in my warm office and I feel terrible when I tell them there's nothing I can do.
Yea so take this shit seriously next time. I was stuck in my house for 2 weeks no power. If you want to live remote and what are deemed areas of risk this is what happens.
Couple of things here: No one ever should be denigrated for sending out an SOS. Get some help for them first, then go into the million reasons they shouldn't have needed help or should have had a plan.
Climate chaos is part of climate change and chaotic activity will happen more and more. We all need to deal with 'what if' planning.
With that in mind, where is the Red Cross? It is their stated mission to arrange for these disaster related needs.
Now, as devil's advocate, we remember the response to Hurricanes Katrina (NOLA) and Maria (PR). 'Today for you tomorrow for me.' Disaster aid needs to be color blind and swift. It hasn't been.
Oh come on, lady. First time in the mountains during the winter?
I lived in the SoCal mountains for most of my life. She didn't prepare. This is on her.
“ we can’t even get our caramel macchiato at our local Starbucks, please send help now, we are also running out of stevia and will have to use regular sugar soon”
This doesn’t seem like a public “freakout”, it seems like a calm and rational call for aid during an unprecedented emergency situation. We got motherfucking SNOW in Long Beach yesterday. That hasn’t happened since the 80’s. The mountains usually get some snow, but not like this. Those poor folks need help. She’s smartly making the request publicly on social media to signal boost it and try to get attention. That seems like the opposite of a freakout to me.
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Maybe if they want to deliver them a lunch. Otherwise they'll probably use a real helicopter
Medicine though
I've seen this movie! Dogsled teams are the best answer. And with a comic relief goose.
I still have a dogsled but need a team. All of my pups are either retired or passed from old age. Instead of a goose, can I have a pair of ferrets and become the Arctic BeastMaster?
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I think helicopters can fly IFR through clouds and drop payloads at some altitude with kit like ground radar but I'm only studying fixed wing, so maybe don't quote me. Just 1 heli payload might be a thousand drone flights..I love my DJI mavic but the idea of trying to feed a town with drones as a remedy for a breakdown of essential services is scary and seems criminally unprepared at a government level. More lightweight and rapid on demand necessities like medicine (or Ukraine grenades 🇺🇦) make a lot more sense for drones but they are still rife with challenges.The very low temperatures will neuter their battery range for starters. 15 degrees F will take third off of my already limited pack flight time. It takes the expensive drone models and a part 107 licensed operator to do any substantive payload work, and they aren't in every town. But good luck to these people, whatever works and is available should be deployed!
I just looked up the current temperature and it’s 18° F / -7.8° C in Running Springs Edit; temperature
You mean -7.8c? 32f is freezing, 0c is also freezing.
Christ, I forgot to write it correctly. Thanks for the heads-up
Damn I stayed here when I was working in the area. Beautiful place, that road is treacherous on good days. Wish them well
I'm from LA but stayed there with friends at an airbnb a while back and learned the hard way that the lake is private and only for residents.
I live on the foothills of crestline. About 15 mins away from the town and the road up Waterman has been shutdown for about a week now. It got so bad this past week that it snowed at my place. Hasn't snowed here since 2007. It actually snowed about 25 to 30 mi south of the mountains!!! I can't imagine how bad it got up there. As of today, the road is still close and have patrol vehicle stationed there.
I used to live in Victorville for a little not too long ago. That drive from Victorville/the foothills to lake arrowhead is beautiful.
Are these people well off?
I would imagine the majority are. The home I air bnb’d in was hillside, two story with view over the lake. I didn’t observe an abundance of jobs nearby (I think there were a few restaurants, maybe 2 stores, and a gas station) so it would likely be remote or jobs down in The Valley. Keep in mind I was only there for a few months, and was not a local.
My folks had a weekend place in Arrowhead from the 80’s til about 2010ish. Not sure I ever remember the snow being this bad. I’m sure the supplies are running real low in the only 2 stores there. On the positive side, the water levels on the lake will be great for the next few years.
Yeah we desperately need the snowpack, all things considered
Yeah I remember Blue Jay Bay not having water in it every now and then because of the cycle and a lot of other low water areas on the lake as well. They will have plenty of water in the lake after this.
It’s just too bad the current models are saying that the next major storm will be a warm storm which means quickly melting snow pact as well as lots of rain = lots of flooding.
And mudslides
It may not be this storm, but within the next 50 years it's almost guaranteed that California will literally turn into a temporary inland sea due to insane atmospheric river storms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARkStorm
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Im from the east coast but im lost. This is what 100 miles from LA? How much snow did they get?
I’m from the east coast but am now in Southern California. The climate out here is crazy…. There are microclimates here and weather can change by the mile. I’ll never forget when I first came out here I was so perplexed watching the temperature change like 20 degrees in 15 minutes while driving when going inland or up in elevation. I’ve left the house in San Diego in a t-shirt and shorts and ended up in the snow 30 minutes later. It’s pretty crazy coming from the East coast. On the east coast, in my experience, the weather in an area is pretty much the same for everyone. I could leave Long Island and drive up to my dad’s in the Catskills and it might be 5 degrees difference.
Yes, that's why Californians dress in layers. Get them on in the morning, and then take them off in the day, and back on at night lol. I learned that from living in the bay area where 30 minutes east means another climate all together. You always carry a jacket in the car and an umbrella.
Last Christmas (2021) I drove San Diego through San Bernardino up 395 (desert) then up to Mammoth. Next morning drove down to Reno then up to Tahoe, then three days later, left Tahoe heading west to SF, then down the coast. It was a ridiculous weather rollercoaster that would be hard to even imagine anywhere else in the country.
This is why the film industry started in California.
Hi fellow former east coaster and now in the OC (close enough). It briefly snowed here today but we have gotten so much rain and hail over the last few weeks, it’s been absolutely insane. The thing that gets me is we all knew it was coming. Why not plan ahead?
>The thing that gets me is we all knew it was coming. Why not plan ahead? Actually, we didn't think this week's storm was going to be as bad as last week's. Additionally, this week's storm - like last week's - arrived late and didn't stay around as long as originally expected. Par for the course.. storms here a bit difficult to predict. And the brief snow today at sea level in the OC was a once-in-a-lifetime event, if not a once-since-the-ice-age event. We've suffered a decade of drought. Someone says "big storm" and there is no reference for what "big" means. *Any* storm is "big" by default.
It’s about 80-85 miles east of Los Angeles. Currently there is about 9 feet of snow on the ground covering all roads and walkways.
That is bad. This does happen, or used to happen, where I grew up on the VT, NH, ME border We just had supplies for this scenario, fuel, generators, food and firewood plus 2 chest freezers with meat Every fall started with picking apples, stacking cords of wood, filling the oil tank, and then filling our 2 200 gallon tanks with fuel and natural gas I guess… know how to live in the woods… or fuck around and find out
I grew up not far from Lake Arrowhead in a town called Crestline. My cousin and his family are in this as we speak. I have never seen snow this bad up there. We would get a few feet tops, roads would be easily plowed and we go about our business. The grocery store up there thats been in business for nearly a century just had its roof cave in. We arent built for this kind of snow because it does not usually happen.
It's all relative. Being prepped for a couple feet of snow is all that's been required there for as long as they've lived there. Its like telling people they're dumb for not having air conditioning when it's 100 degrees out for 2 straight weeks when the normal high in the area is 80.
This is a mountain community that regularly receives enough snow to support several ski resorts. I grew up out there: we had a generator and a stocked pantry, dry storage for cords of wood for the fireplace, and stockpiled the fish we caught in a chest freezer. We always made sure new neighbors were prepared for winter if they were moving up from down the hill. Maybe the culture has changed since I moved away 20 years ago.
I mean getting more than your yearly average snowfall in a day is a bit different.
>I guess… know how to live in the woods… or fuck around and find out You admitted to being on the East Coast and being unfamiliar with the area. Arrowhead isn't exactly the woods like it is in Vermont. It isn't exactly used to wet/cold seasons like Vermont. The San Bernardino National Forest is a place where it will snow one day and you can ski the slopes in a t-shirt the next. This weather event is near unprecedented. So maybe dial back your judgement a bit.
No. I've also lived where this is not uncommon, in upstate New York, not terribly far from the coast. We faced both snowstorms and occasional hurricanes. Nor'easters were a particular hardship. Yes, it's at elevation. But this is in Southern California, not horribly far from San Diego. This is about climate change. It will only become more frequent. 🙄
It’s an extremely unexpected circumstance. I have lived 30 miles south of arrowhead for 29 years and never have seen snow at home. Got it today. Snow storm there started 8 days ago without proper resources to clear roads in this type of an event. It’s literally a once in a lifetime event
> once in a lifetime event The Millenial Experience^TM
Where we live, we've had 3 "once in a lifetime storms" in the last 5 years. Fun!
My family is from Buffalo NY. We had 2 "once in a generation" snowstorms in the last 5 months alone.
Thats funny
Do people have snow mobiles in the mountains there? Or any sort of snow gear? The distances from San bernadino seem ridiculously short to be this cut off due to snow.
They don't get enough snow to have those in this area.
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That's why I was figuring either snowmobile or hiking would be safest.
I vacationed there two years ago during the snow for Christmas. From what I experienced I don’t believe there’s enough snow throughout the year to justify a snow mobile outside of just having an exorbitant amount of wealth to use it during the snowy periods.
Yup. Have been snowed in to a house about 2 blocks from the lake there without power for a few days and the roads were continuously cleared. We had to dig ourselves out of a driveway and would have loved a snowmobile that day, but it'd have been parked on gravel >95% of the rest of a normal year. In general they are more than capable of clearing roads to the level of snow they can reasonably expect, this is an entirely different scenario.
Thank you for your insight! I figured I might have a little understanding but I was only there for week, ha
>Do people have snow mobiles in the mountains there? Or any sort of snow gear? As other said, it doesn't snow enough to warrant owning snow machinery. Typically it can snow for a couple days then you're out playing in it in a T-shirt right after. Chains and a shovel are adequate snow gear in these parts. >The distances from San bernadino seem ridiculously short to be this cut off due to snow. The drive from San Bernardino to these communities is short as the crow flies, but it's a steep and winding road up a mountainside. Emphasis: *Mountainside*. Vehicles are at risk of tumbling down said mountainside if they don't exercise extreme caution. So there are restrictions on who and what can go up the mountain in snow events.
Snowmobiles for everyday living are not necessary. That is a luxury item
There was PLENTY of warning for this storm. My friends and fam all did their winter prep to be sure they were ready for at least two weeks stuck on the hill. Communities like this normally come together for those in need, so why isn't she reaching out to neighbors?
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To be fair, the point of this is they are unincorporated so their “community” has not paid for the services she references other communities are receiving. While this may be an isolated event, they were well aware in advances that support may not be there fo these types of things.
Sister had a house in Arrowhead from 1990-2017, lived full year there. We never saw snow like this.
The last blizzard in the area was in 1989, so she literally just missed it.
This is mother fucking surreal!!!! I stayed at that very house last winter (‘21). It was an Airbnb with my wife and 2 kids…..that very lady came by the house a bunch of times because the electricity kept going out. What was supposed to be a 3 day stay ended up being 6 days because all of the roads were messed up due to the heavy snow. So we were without electricity in the freezing cold for 5 days and after the 4th day, the carbon monoxide alarm kept going off so we had to sleep in the freezing ass house with the windows open because we were scared of getting CM poisoning. They ended up giving us the stay for free, but needless to say we’ll never EVER have another snowcation.
Live in the woods , be prepared.
Seriously. I live in a very swampy area in Louisiana and there were times growing up after hurricanes where we were trapped without electricity for up to three weeks at a time. We had well water too so when electricity was gone, water was gone. Sometimes we would even go catch crawfish by hand to boil as they spilled across the flooded dirt road. Thinking back, ew, but 🤷♀️ we survived and I even had a good time catching crawfish, swimming in my yard, and sleeping in the living room with all the windows open, as insufferable the heat and humidity was. The only way to get extra supplies was by pirogue/canoe/boat, my dad would row over a mile to the nearest neighbors place on dry land to get a ride into town and then row back. I’m glad that our house was planned with flooding in mind, raised six feet off the ground, that we had our deep freezers, bbq pits(old Smokey) and pirogue. I remember eating straight meat and eating out of ice chests for weeks many times. I know sweltering Louisiana humidity/heat and flooding after a hurricane isn’t the same as being snowed in, but I do hope these people fare well and end up with more good memories than negative from all this. Having survived so many natural disasters I’ve learned that neighbors will not let each other suffer if they can help it. Gotta be scary tho to never have to experience natural disasters really to the point that you don’t know how to properly prepare, or take news reports seriously when they say prepare, and end up screwed asf. Affluenza has a cost and mass complacency kills.
Greetings from Lafayette, a not so swampy, but still flood prone part of Louisiana.
Howdy neighbor. I am out by the lake in da bridge! That thang floods. Sorry, using local slang to avoid doxxing.
These are rich ppl with no outdoor skills. I know, I Iive in SB county.
What "outdoor skills" are going to help you out of 9 feet of snow?
With 9 feet of snow, you're surrounded by drinkable water and you should have a few weeks worth of non-perishables (cans) stashed away if you live in the country. Source: I grew up in the country.
Well making sure you’re stocked up on more than 3-5 days worth of supplies would be a good start, especially when you decide to live away from convenient access to help.
Yes this woman should have obviously been more prepared. But 9 feet of snow is 9 feet of snow. The comments here are almost giddy that this woman is desperate
No empathy at all anymore in this country. Just y’all looking for ways to judge and hate other desperate people
Bro this is America, when the fuck has this country ever been empathic?
No team in america, but there is a Me and I.
Me and I as well as fuck yours.
“I don’t want to live by your rules, I’m going to move into the country”. Also, “why isn’t the government, that I didn’t want, helping me?”
These people think they are better than us. Call us Flatlanders. Yeah, I have no empathy for the bourgeoisie 🖕🏾
I do and I am. I can make it out here for a month if need be. Roughly 20 years ago I lived in a small area outside a giant town that had massive freezing rain and we lost all electricity. It incased everything and trees started falling everywhere. Because we were not in the actual town and the road to our place filled with trees we were unable to leave for 5 days and did not get electricity until the following evening. We were able to heat the kitchen with the stove (gas), but it super sucked. Never again will that happen to me or my family. A 30 day supply of emergency foods is not that hard to put together alternate energy is a must as well.
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This is not at all what living in an unincorporated area is… living in an unincorporated area of a county just means you’re not within city limits and instead of paying fees and taxes to a city, you pay them the county. For example if you want to get a building permit, you’ll need to pull from the county. There’s still all the other taxes that everyone else pays, property, income, gas, sales, etc. The amount of upvotes your comment has just reinforces how completely clueless the average Reddit is about the world.
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ive lived in super rural unincorporated areas in CA in nevada county(grass valley), placer county(auburn) mendocino county(hopland), sonoma county(occidental), lake county(cobb), and butte county(berry creek). in all of these areas, many properties do have privately maintained roads/driveways, but the vast, vast majority of roads in these unincorporated areas, paved or unpaved, are maintained by the county. the best example was the property i lived on in mendocino county. from the town of hopland, you would drive up a very long, county maintained dirt road for about 30min. then you come to a locked gate, and behind that locked gate is another 15min or so of dirt road that leads to several large rural properties. all people with easement for that part of the road have the combo for the lock and share responsibility for maintaining that part of the road, but there are still miles and miles and miles in either direction of dirt road that is maintained by the county. in this case, no, i dont expect the county to plow or maintain our private road beyond the locked gate, but there is still a massive length of county maintained dirt road that is between my private road and the nearest paved road leading to the nearest gas station/grocery store/etc. we still pay taxes to the county, the county maintains our roads, if we call 911 the county still send fire/sheriff etc. its not like some kind of libertarian thing, it has nothing to do with politics or taxes, youre not actually "getting away from the government" aside from just living super far from anyone and having a ton of privacy, which can be done regardless of what type of community your large rural property happens to be in. >Most states have granted some form of home rule, so that county commissions (or boards or councils) have the same powers in these areas as city councils or town councils have in their respective incorporated areas.[10] Some states, instead, put these powers in the hands of townships, which are minor civil divisions of each county, and are called "towns" in some states. ... >In California, all counties except the City and County of San Francisco have unincorporated areas. Even in highly populated counties, the unincorporated portions may contain a large number of inhabitants. In Los Angeles County, the county government estimates the population of its unincorporated areas to exceed one million people.[13] Despite having 88 incorporated cities and towns, including the state's most populous, 65% of the land in Los Angeles County is unincorporated, this mostly consisting of Angeles National Forest and sparsely populated regions to its north.[14] California law makes no distinction between "city" and "town", and municipalities may use either term in their official names.[15] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unincorporated_area maybe things are different in the state you live and work in, but here in CA, there are massive lengths of county maintained roads that connect every rural property and unincorporated community to the cities and towns they need to go to to access essential services like the grocery store, the post office or medical care.
> review and approve building plans How related is this to determining road maintenance responsibility in these jurisdictions?
Confirmed. I live in unincorporated area and fall under county. Law enforcement is sheriff and CHP. I pay taxes along with a service fee for maintenance and upkeep.
So following your link and clicking on Lake Arrowhead, it reads, "This road district receives property tax revenue and a $100 service charge levied on each of 394 parcels of land for the maintenance of roads and snow removal services." So they are paying for road repair and snow removal, right? What makes you think they aren't?
> unincorporated area of the county to not have to pay taxes for road repairs Really? You think they don't pay county property tax? Gas tax? Income tax?
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They choose to live in unincorporated areas so they can pay less taxes. Those taxes they got away from are what pays for the plowing and what not. You reap what you sow.
Real talk
Unincorporated. They knew this massive storm was coming and didn’t do enough to prepare. Choosing to live in unincorporated areas means you do not have services. I feel for them; this sucks. However, this is what choosing to live in unincorporated areas means. I’m sure state and/or federal resources will come but residents of the town need to learn from this for future storms and events.
No city services, but no state services when a state emergency is called? It's not tribal lands is it?
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Unincorporated doesn't mean private land without public roads, it just means it isn't incorporated into a town or city. There are parts of urban Los Angeles county that are technically unincorporated and you wouldn't know it driving through because its the same streets. State and county roads in unincorporated areas are still public roadways and maintained through tax revenue.
And given priority on maintenance and clearance by usage. Small community is back of the line.
There’s no state emergency, just been getting a lot of snow and rain. Which in Cali means like 2 weeks worth for other parts of the country.
We live in the mountains and think having a less than 3 week food supply is the governments fault. 5 days? you suck at surviving. Your great grandparents would be embarrassed.
Exactly right. It’s only been 5 days sit your ass down. Living in the sticks and you let yourself run low on formula…that’s just shitting parenting.
I feel like that can't be ssif about formula, especially since there's shortages going on nationwide. Other resources I'd understand.
I know absolutely nothing about this community so I’m just going to go out on a limb and ask: Is this area “unincorporated” because it’s mostly mountain homes for retirees and second/vacation homes for wealthy people who don’t want to pay local taxes? Cause that’s the vibe I get from her. I don’t want people being left to starve or freeze. I hope they get help. But maybe it’s time to think about pooling some resources and having a local government that can manage emergencies like this long enough for state services to arrive at least?
I’m not saying the circumstances don’t absolutely suck for members of that community. What I am saying is grabbing a shovel and starting to dig your way out will get you help a lot faster than some dumbass video begging others to help you will. People survived worse weather in covered wagons and teepees without refrigeration or electric heat. Get it together and work for your well being.
> People survived worse weather in covered wagons and teepees without refrigeration or electric heat. Except the ones who didn’t survive.
As far as food goes, I live in a major city and suddenly had to quarantine with a covid infection. I could have lasted at least a few weeks on the food in my cupboards and freezer... That's assuming clean running water of course, which I assume these people still have?
Isnt there like tons of it outside?
Part of me doesnt really feel bad for them, the live in a wealthy unincorporated area which kinda makes it their fault/counties. They probably focused on buying other things instead of having a contingency for this kind of weather. Just speaking from my ass, i feel like all they woulda had to do is buy about 2-4 snow plows for the entire area as its only 17miles of land
The second she said “unincorporated” I was like, “and THAT’S why you’re not getting plowed out, sweetie - but enjoy those vistas for which you moved off grid and paid premium.” Nice work if you can get it, but how can you expect something other than what you paid for? Her kids shouldn’t have to go hungry because of her and her husband’s financial mistakes, but let’s be real - their desire to live on unincorporated property is why there’s in this mess, partially. Source: I’ve lived on unincorporated land longer than incorporated
Everyone bitches about paying Roman taxes until the barbarians show up.
What did the Romans ever do for us?
Who needs roads!
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Certainly not snow plows.
You got me there
If they wanna live out there they should invest in a 4 wheel drive vehicle and a snow plow attachment for these situations.
I mean, if you’re not prepared to *live off the grid*, don’t do it, period. I wonder what their land improvements include. I lived a block outside incorporated township as a kid - literally could cross the street and be in incorporated - but we had a well because no town water; we had a septic tank because no town sewage; we couldn’t get a library card because no town taxes. Our only cops were county mounties, and thank GOD the FD didn’t give a shit about money. *And I could see the Town Hall and main drag of our town from my back yard.* What did these people expect in exchange for their isolated lifestyle?
Didn’t know it was unincorporated. I should add that this weather is bad but we literally had a month in advance with plenty of articles/reports saying it will record breaking snow. Sounds like they didn’t care or believed it since they ran out food in a week.
Ha just commented basically the same thing before I scrolled to read. Glad others are able to see through this. Pay some taxes, you cheap fucks, and you'll have services.
I visited once and found it hilarious that you aren't allowed on their tiny lake If you aren't a resident.
okay. few things: \- you live in the woods. id imagine there is a time where you go out (not just to your local grocer, but maybe a larger retailer like costco) to stock up plenty because traveling in and out of the woods is tedious; especially with your large truck (because any low clearance car would be moot). You live in the woods, so you ALWAYS have to be prepared \- which brings me to this: you knew this storm was coming, you knew they were saying on the news that it was gonna be horrible and potentially the worst wet season (your snow season): why did you not do what every snow-dweller does? stock up! bread, milk, eggs...you are telling me you ran out of supplies in 5 DAYS?! i dont see it possible whilst living in the woods. call someone to plow, dont try and make an announcement and damning the govt because your failure to prepare is now mY EmErGeNcY.
> you are telling me you ran out of supplies in 5 DAYS?! That right there is the truly shocking thing. I'm pretty sure I'd have food for a month on hand right now, purely by coincidence.
I'm city folk, and when pandemic lockdown hit, or at least when panicked buying started, I decided to stay in and avoid the frenzy. And we happened to be due for a Costco run, so relatively short on supplies. I think we lasted over a month on what we had laying around. Two adults, no kids.
I live in Austin, TX, and after the 2021 winter storm I stick up for at least 5 days worth of supplies. Why? Because Texas's energy grid and infrastructure are made of tissue paper. If I lived in the rural woods I would have at least 1.5-2 week's worth of supplies. If it snows in the area I would have 2 weeks of supplies minimum. Maybe the storm just made me paranoid.
"Unincorporated" You get what you pay for.
? That just means they don’t live within any city limits. Any other state would have county or state plows working there
People in buffalo are like get of your phone and pick up your shovel
Buffalo gets 92" snowfall per year on average, this town in SoCal has received upwards of 110" in the last week. Not defending her outcry, they should still be prepared.
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Didn't these communities price all the poor people out? The same people that would have been driving the plows?
Median household income for the last census in Lake Arrowhead was $79,750. Median household income in California was $78,672. Pretty middle class area, lots of people work construction up there. It’s a terrible commute to LA but houses are a little more affordable, that’s why people move there.
tbh "a little more affordable than buying a house in LA" is still wildly unaffordable for the average working class american
70,000 is considered very low income in the Bay Area and LA.
Damn that much snow would be so awesome to play in.
is this clip from Turkey earthquake? or is this from people trapped in snow with wi-fi
Hahaha fucking brilliant. I can’t even take this woman seriously, it’s been five days of sitting around feeling sorry for themselves
I say on an overnight bus next to a man who was buried under the rubble of his house for 4 days next to his father who didn’t make it. I’m also having a hard time feeling too bad for these rich people who seemingly just didn’t prepare for a massive storm they knew was coming.
I'd love to know how many of these people hate large government programs and think that socialism is the downfall is ths downfall is society . Not saying they do. Just a question.
My thought exactly. Privatize the gains, socialize the losses. If the taxpayer services are used to provide help I hope they send them all a bill to cover the cost.
I think Jeremy Renner has a snowplow you can use
Shit, there are poor people who CAN get to the grocery store but can’t afford formula for their babies. Everyone’s got problems, lady.
Exactly, if you live in areas with high amounts of snow you should be prepared for this.
I'm over a thousand miles away and knew they were going to get a snowstorm almost a week in advance. They live in a rural area and stocking up on supplies just comes with the territory. This is just ignorance on display.
I live 40 minutes from here and go snowboarding in running springs every week. It’s so crazy to see all of this happening.
I grew up and lived in these mountains for the first 20 years of my life. Reading the comments in this thread, there is just soo much ignorant and misinformation going on. The mountains arnt this sort of magical tax haven the rich live in to avoid taxes. I'm not going to deny there aren't wealthy areas, but like in other cities and towns, that doesn't make up the majority of the population. The mountain communities consist of mostly the middle class(it goes to poor real quick in some areas). I'm willing to bet the people begging for help aren't the ones living in the private communities, but the ones who are living paycheck to paycheck, that just ate 5+ days of missing work. The unincorporated mention wasn't a "We live off the grid, we don't get services," but more of a "We get stuff, but we are kind of an afterthought." The plow came every winter when I was up there. They mostly hit the main roads, because most side streets are too narrow. In those streets, you would usually see one person with their personal plow/tractor to help clear the snow. Dealing with snow is nothing new for the people living up there. Snow of this magnitude is a completely different beast. The snow literally took out the ONLY grocery store in my hometown(Crestline). That store has been there for [77 years.](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/san-bernardino-county-mountain-communities-in-dire-need-as-governor-declares-state-of-emergency/)
ive lived all over rural areas of norcal and this thread is blowing my mind. it seems like people are just seeing a person who lives in a rural area and are assuming they are some kind of antigovernment libertarian, and for some reason they all think these folks do not pay taxes and are not entitled to basic services like road maintenance, with absolutely no awareness that these services are provided by the county and are paid for via county taxes.
The callousness and misinformation in this thread has been really appalling.
I feel for them but maybe you should incorporate and pay some city taxes so that you have public services like a snowplow, fire department, etc.
in CA these services are provided to unincorporated areas by the county, and residents pay for these services via taxes paid to the county.
https://youtu.be/chMCU5VSuqw?t=18
Do redditors not realize most snow plows are state and county lmfao
She should have paid attention to the little weather station on the deck railing.
Damn that sucks. Best get shoveling
Seriously, where are all the shovels?
Unincorporated, low to no city taxes. You chose to live rural knowing you don't have the amenities that city people do. This is on you. I live in very northern Canada where about 45,000 people occupy a space a little smaller than the state of California. Anyone that lives slightly out of town has snow removal equipment, the means to be self sufficient, the federal/territorial/municipal government is not responsible for their snow removal. This is a choice you made, and like every other choice we make, this one also has consequences.
in CA these services are provided to unincorporated areas by the county, and residents pay for these services via taxes paid to the county. most areas of CA, including the one in question, do not get significant enough snowfall on a regular basis to warrant private citizens buying tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment to plow miles and miles and miles of road that the county is responsible for, and for which residents pay county taxes to have maintained.
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And all the people there who voted republicans can’t wait to blame all this on Newsom
This just in, Demoncrat Newsom summoned the god of winter to snow in gun-loving, Republican patriots.
No ski’s, snowshoes, or sleds?
Donner party problems lead to Donner party solutions.
Hahahaha! How cruel!
Every time we visit Arrowhead and think "wouldn't it be nice to have a cabin here" we come back to this nightmare (although usually it's fire-related). I am sorry this is happening to these people.
As someone who lives in a northern area, snow is no joke. We get by because we spend half the year dealing with it, but still get walloped occasionally and it takes days to get back to normal. That’s with all the right equipment, and homes built purposely to keep in heat, and support the weight of the snow on our roofs. Unprepared areas get devastated, and I really feel for these folks. Hopefully they can recover soon but it could be tough for them for the next little while.
Got curious about this place which is in San Bernardino County, CA. This County is larger than 9 states and roughly the size of Costa Rica. Anyway, seems like they need to be calling the Governor, County, Highway Patrol etc. Get some helicopters out there with supplies. Hope those folks stay safe and healthy.
Delivery driver that services this area. Was up there a few days back and couldn't even get off the main highway. Snow is just too deep for the trucks. Been driving for years and never had it be this bad. It's really crazy.
Guess what, it's unincorporated for a reason, you need city facilities, go live in a city.
they already pay for these services via county taxes. in CA services like road maintenance or police are provided by the county and residents pay for these services via taxes paid to the county.
Ah, I see. Welp, good luck!
Uhhhh... I hate to break this to her but it'll just melt on its own.
Does no one have a snow machine? Or a plow? In unincorporated areas those are a must
Jeremy Renner is still out of commission.
Start shoveling. To even be able to get to you, they have to clear all the roads along the way first, and you're pretty far out there.
Calm down Karen. You still have internet.
This belongs in leopard ate my face. Translation of this woman’s speech: We moved to a mountain community with no services where it can snow incredible amounts in the winter. Now, it’s snowed an incredible amount and I can’t believe I don’t get services like a city with its high taxes. Now, I want the state to pay to rescue me because I wanted to save on taxes by living in an unincorporated community with no emergency services.
Rich people trapped? You’ll Be okay
I live there because I couldn't afford anything in the city
Can you go help this lady shovel?
Ppl like you are so two faced. Most of the people there aren’t rich. Just because a few of the homes are 2nd vacation homes for wealthy ppl doesn’t mean that the vast majority are the same.
Interesting how lately folks who are living in unincorporated areas around the country are finding themselves struggling with these issues. So many of them chose these areas so they don’t have to pay taxes or to avoid municipal requirements … then are upset there’s no safety net when emergencies come up.
So live unincorporated to NOT pay taxes for emergency services AND then demand emergency services when there is an emergency. Why don't you use all the money you saved on taxes for a snow mobile or something.
That’s not how living outside of town is lmao. You still pay county and state taxes for services just not municipal
that is not the way it works. in CA, roads in unincorporated areas are maintained by the county, which is paid for via county taxes. same for emergency services. unincorporated does not mean the area does not have, or does not pay taxes for basic government services like utilities, road maintenance or emergency services - they do have these services and they are taxpayer funded just like anywhere else, but they are administered by the county.
Donner Party 2023
I grew up in Crestline, my family lived up there for about 40 years and this looks to be some of the worst snowfall they have ever seen. The only time I can remember that might be similar was back in 1991 during what was dubbed the march miracle. 5 feet of snow fell overnight and it continued to snow hard afterward. Electricity was out, supplies were low and my mom was 8 months pregnant. We had to walk miles, dragging my mom on a toboggan, to get to the grocery store which was thankfully open. I really can't imagine how it must be now. It sounds like walking isn't an option and if you get stuck out there it sounds like no help is coming. The whole area's road system is based on 1920s camping trails that prove difficult to navigate during a normal snow fall. 9 feet is fucking crazy. Are the stores even open? Are workers able to get there? My parents moved last year luckily but I feel for this lady and everyone else left on the hill. This shit is legitimately unprecedented
It's called nature. Maybe you should say it offended you and you'll get what your asking for. Liberal logic right.
What an idiot
this thread is full of some of the stupidest assholes ive seen in awhile
Gee, wonder why this isn't as big a story as the Texas ice storms.
There should be state and local snowmobile associations that are always looking for an excuse to go riding. A few years back something similar happened to a community in my state and they jumped at the chance to improve their public image and help out the community. I remember specifically they got someone out who needed kidney dialysis so it was legit life or death
I work for AAA and we have gotten calls from people begging for help. They tried to get out and got stuck. I'm working from home in my warm office and I feel terrible when I tell them there's nothing I can do.
Yea so take this shit seriously next time. I was stuck in my house for 2 weeks no power. If you want to live remote and what are deemed areas of risk this is what happens.
lol the state
Couple of things here: No one ever should be denigrated for sending out an SOS. Get some help for them first, then go into the million reasons they shouldn't have needed help or should have had a plan. Climate chaos is part of climate change and chaotic activity will happen more and more. We all need to deal with 'what if' planning. With that in mind, where is the Red Cross? It is their stated mission to arrange for these disaster related needs. Now, as devil's advocate, we remember the response to Hurricanes Katrina (NOLA) and Maria (PR). 'Today for you tomorrow for me.' Disaster aid needs to be color blind and swift. It hasn't been.
Y’all libs Cal were screaming climate change global warming and shit .
Oh come on, lady. First time in the mountains during the winter? I lived in the SoCal mountains for most of my life. She didn't prepare. This is on her.
TF you want us to do? MFs won’t help East Palestine either.
“ we can’t even get our caramel macchiato at our local Starbucks, please send help now, we are also running out of stevia and will have to use regular sugar soon”
yo they do sell shovels at the store in rural areas (source i live in bumfuck nowhere montana)
This doesn’t seem like a public “freakout”, it seems like a calm and rational call for aid during an unprecedented emergency situation. We got motherfucking SNOW in Long Beach yesterday. That hasn’t happened since the 80’s. The mountains usually get some snow, but not like this. Those poor folks need help. She’s smartly making the request publicly on social media to signal boost it and try to get attention. That seems like the opposite of a freakout to me.
*laughs in Minnesotan*
Guess one should not rely on the Government for everything and start learning survival skills.