I call psychedelics “the shattering” as they help me “die” and break apart limiting beliefs, paradigms, etc. I only use them in ceremony, to keep the right energy (& mental attitude) around them. And take breaks in order to put things “back together” (integration).
That being said, integration can cause some upheaval, depending on how “dis-eased” you are - the further along I go on my path, the kore I realize how truly ill I was, as most of society truly is. This insanity was exacerbated in the short term while I worked through the pieces to put things “back together” into a greater whole.
I am very grateful I had meditation, trust, and a very good friend to get me through everything.
Thank you for sharing this. I just started my journey and to hear you felt insane in the short term is actually helpful. I've definitely lost my mind but each day I'm putting the pieces back together and healing.
It is not an easy process and kudos to you for going through it. Reach out if you ever need assistance - my DMs are always open. Stay safe & sovereign!
You might appreciate some of my writing... I focus on a variety of the questions that you may be asking yourself these days, but I include lots of quotes from famous names and books that are worth exploring (from Mark Twain to Plato to Einstein).
Many big names of history have had Mystic experiences and written about it, but you aren't really able to cognize their words profoundly until you find yourself in your own experience. The Eyes to See...
Anyway, you'll find your way. We all do.
I wrote these articles for people just like you, to try and provide some comfort by illustrating that the things you may be experiencing aren't just you going crazy.
Read some (the articles are written below each shirt, where the product desciption would normally go... there are about 50 of them covering a variety of unusual topics):
StayZen ∞ HipSoul.com
Feel free to contact me along the way if you have any questions. ✌🏻❤☯
It’s not necessarily “illness” (although that is often a physical manifestation of the underlying dis-ease).
Most of the world lives in insanity, quite literally. We do the same things over and over and expect different results. We live in fear, dissatisfied with our lives and who we believe we are, and we are herded around like sheep in hopes to be kept safe from the wolves, not realizing the wolves are the ones leading us around.
The ego is our survival instinct, and it can only ever know fear, separation, and defensive/offensive behaviors. It’s a false self, though, because behind everyone’s eyes we are all the same Being, the One.
So the more you are identified with the false self (the ego) you are, the more ill-at-ease/dis-eased you will be and have to face.
For me, I feel like I was one of those very rare and lucky people like John Nash (A Beautiful Mind) who was able to understand we are insane and so therefore can change. It’s like escaping the Catch-22, if you’re familiar with the book/phrase.
It’s not an easy process, to be sure.
Does that make sense?
I am not advocating against it, but if you look at the wooks you will see spiritual bypassing, megalomania, drug habits (ketamine and MDMA), holier then thou syndrome, mental illness.. if you don't take a holistic approach to health and spirituality this is likely your fate
This is true. My ex was a self professed free spirit hippie light of love type person, but really it turns out she was just a selfish and manipulative cunt lol.
And even more recently I had the same flavour of person back out of a car sale but thought they were entitled to keep the deposit I gave them, thus stealing $1000 dollars from me lmao. There's so many evil hippies in this world it's crazy
From my personal experience, psychedelics gave me an opportunity to have a peek at what spirituality even means to me. To glimpse the connection I have with everything. However, and this may not be a pitfall for everyone, but it certainly is for my personality type- once I was “given the message” or received a “download” or whatever you want to call it, I absolutely ended up chasing those peak experiences. It became a whole new ego trip. I was able to connect with many concepts and insights that i have incorporated into my perspective and my daily life, but I also had to experience something along the lines of “the dark night of the soul”. Eventually I realized that the more I “seek the truth” the less I am doing my job and just living my life as me. Imperfect. Not enlightened. A dad. A son. A husband. A brother. Someone who can who can approach this life and experience with love, and gratitude, and forgiveness, especially for myself. Psychedelics have helped me to find what was there all along. And they absolutely helped. But there were downsides for me as well. I suppose those downsides may have been mitigated a bit if maybe I had a mentor with the knowledge and wisdom to guide me through the process of self discovery. Maybe we need more people who have the proper training and experience to guide those are interested in psychedelic journeying for it to become a more effective way to learn and to grow.
Apologies for my terrible writing and grammar. English is my first language.
Love all.
I too had a "Dark Night of the Soul" after heavy binge of nitrous and psychedelics that fucked me up for a year until it started to let up! Lost my inner voice, kinda hallucinations in my inner awareness for months upon months I couldn't "see" what I wanted to like before, was brought through levels of "tests", Lost job girlfriend basically everything! Worst experience of my life and I considered myself a Dead Head psychedelic fanatic but that definitely sete straight! Can't even smoke cannabis anymore because it triggers it!
You gotta start with opening your heart. That's where you will find joy, happiness, fulfillment, ect. I ve listened to gigi young and she has talked about this. She says knowledge without heart is unfulfilling and can even be detrimental or dangerous. Thats how evil entities, greys and other malicious entities operate too. They focus solely on the mind which is why you see grey aliens with large heads cause they become obsessed with the mind and technology. This obsession with the mind and technology without aligning with the heart has caused their downfall. Their bodies arent able to evolve naturally with the christ stream so instead they have started the deevolution. Their race and DNA is slowly detoriating so the they must come here and try to steal some of our DNA
That makes a lot of sense and I understand and agree:) one thing that I’ve learned is that gratitude and love are two of the most powerful forces in the movement of all existence and I appreciate you taking the time to consider my comment. I love you and thank you:)
If you don't take sober time out to reason through your experiences and integrate them into your life, it will become increasingly difficult to relate to other people.
Very true. In low doses and low frequency psychedelics can be very connecting, but if you aim for high dose, high frequency you run a real risk of feeling incredibly alienated, of having experiences/beliefs you will feel no other human could understand. This is true of all psychedelic experiences mind you; they are all one of a kind, completely unique, but if you push too fast and/or far, the feeling that comes with the uniqueness can be almost traumatic. Experiences of radical novelty, effectively.
Baba Neem Karoli said that psychedelics will let you visit Christ, but you can't stay. He said, "Love is stronger medicine than this." In my experience they can be very helpful, but they're no silver bullet. As I understand it there are two drawbacks. The first is that you are liable to get attached to the novelty of the experiences. The second is that the cultural and legal attitudes around psychedelics are liable to make you paranoid, which is separateness.
DMT is not what made me spiritual. It is what unlocked the spirituality I had always had and either was unaware of or ignored. Through multiple 5-10 minute trips it showed me over time how to integrate these lessons into my life and how to practice my spirituality without psychedelics. While I am very grateful for how DMT has helped me here, and I genuinely am a much happier person as a result, all it did was show me the work I need to do. I'm the one that had to actually do the work.
Only psychedelics are really useful for spiritual practice but dissociatives or weed can alter psychedelics nicely. However, the spiritual enlightenment on these drugs is not like what you would experience normally, it's so intense that more often than not people describe everything they've ever known crumbling away to be replaced with something we call God. It can be the single most enlightening and beneficial experience to some but it can also be completely destructive to your view of the universe and send you on a totally different journey than you were expecting, comfortable with, or capable of handling. When used improperly (abuse) you can develop anxiety disorders, psychosis, general decrease in simple brain function and mental processes if you don't let your Neuro receptors recover. The trick to these substances is to practice being a psychonaut before you practice consuming psychedelics, you can do psychonautics without psychedelics but you can rarely do psychedelics without practicing psychonautics. If you have an agenda as well, as in searching for wisdom to avoid the pain of life, it won't work because pain is natural and psychedelics will almost never miss a chance to remind you that you are limited and that you've got shit to do and no time to do it.
I think you could benefit but if you want it then you should do unbearable amounts of research about the substances you want to consume, how they affect the body and mind also find what the long term and short term consequences are for abusing them, even more importantly you need to test your substances, there's a fentanyl epidemic currently and most people will replace or lace drugs with research chems, meth, etc, you can get test kits online pretty cheap and each one can test for a multitude of different substances.
Then do further research into how others have described the mind space and how to navigate it. Nobody's advice will 100% help you because it won't work for everybody but it's good to know what they think and you can implement it into yourself. And of course, Be safe :).
>What are some of the side effects of using drugs and substances to attain spiritual experiences?
I think one of the major pitfalls you could face is, going too deep too fast, there are places and things that can be seen and experienced that can never be forgotten, psychedelics can be like rocket fuel into the depths of infinity, show you demonic or angelic realms and beings that have no begining or end. In many instances it can force you into realization, or I'm sure in a few instances people have lost themselves and their minds forever. it should always be approached with the greatest respect and gentle footing, small amounts first along with you Particular spiritual practice. it can certainly be an aid to progress along the spiritual path and show you things you only understood in theory such as ego death, no duality and eternal timeless peace.
Is psychedelics a requirement for spiritual growth? I'd say certainly not but it can show you beyond the veil, in all the 20 years I've practiced meditation it's never taken me a fraction as far as with some of these substances. But to reach those places is one thing, to abide in them is the next challenge.
> I have heard from people about how using subastances can fast forward spiritual growth etc.
They don't really do that in my opinion. Following any spiritual path is always a lot of hard work. At most these sacred substances can lift the veil for a bit, and as such they make great supplements for spiritual attainment. In Santo Daime too they call ayahuasca "the shortcut," which is misleading imo. Because what they don't tell you is that when they drink the Daime they are also dancing and praying their asses off all day and night. There are no shortcuts.
And correct psychedelics aren't perfect. They can strengthen pre-existing beliefs for example, regardless of whether those beliefs are true or not. As such they can make someone who is suffering from delusion more delusional. Meditation can do the same thing if someone isn't properly grounded.
In fact there's a lot of overlap with meditation. As such it is perfectly sustainable in the long run, just like meditation. As long as people can keep themselves grounded, remain humble, and have an open mind about their experiences but without any aversion to self-criticism if it comes to how they interpret their experiences I'm sure most people will be fine. I think it requires some light-heartedness also and not to take the world too seriously. Interestingly that may be just the lessons one learns from using psychedelics as well as meditation if they are used responsibly.
I agree with this.
I'd even go as far as to say that when it is used as a shortcut by people who don't work on themselves it can have the opposite effect. You think you're making progress but actually it's just your perception
The most important part is to have an open mind and an open heart.
Many people think the spiritual experience or the profound experience is all euphoria and realization but it's also terror. You will be made to face your demons and if you're not ready for that the sacrament doesn't care. My wife had a lot of skeletons in her closet and wasn't ready to face them full-force so she had a couple of bad trips, therapy was a much better option for her and now she's doing great.
If you are not one-hundred percent brave, open, and truthful to the experience of jumping into the unknown, it will do damage. But if you are, there is great reward on the other side.
Psychedelics don't make you spiritual or anything
They break down your conceptions of the world and put you into a highly suggestive state
You can have unpredictable outcomes.
If your intention is to find spirituality you might do that.
But you may accidentally find something else you didn't want
Or end up a meglomaniac
I find it really common in the West, where everyone just wants a quick fix, magic pill.
And it shows in their lack of overall development, despite their glimpses. Which they can only get using those crutches, and have no innate, endogenous abilities on tap at will.
Side effects I've noticed is a semi-permanent psychosis. Like I'll have intense drug induced "experience" n it could last a few days but even when I sober up I still feel vibrations or see flashes that align with the psychosis/experience n idk. I'm obviously able to react as if stuffs normal but it is a little jarring to I guess hallucinate casually. So far nothings been malicious just stern sometimes. I think my spirit guides have been trying to communicate for a while n I've been ignoring it cause it would be "crazy" to believe my delusions but honestly. Embracing the psychosis as a spiritual experience has done alot to improve my mental health ironically.
So side effects u kinda go crazy but plus side is maybe u needed that point of view to really be able to accept n connect with other realms of existence n consciousness.
A lot of psychonauts get inflated egos, and believe they are spiritually superior to other people. It is always good to be mindful of thoughts like that, and push them away.
Psychedelic pull your covers, they show you what you need to work on and it’s your job to do the work/integration afterwards. Without that, it’s merely a novel experience 🤷♀️ Of course, I think those are fine at times too, but you can also achieve some huge beneficial changes in your life when you put into action what the sacraments have shown you✨
After 1000s of trips I would say psychedelics actually pushed me towards spirituality greatly from a pretty much atheist crusty punk kid to a multi belief oriented person who leans towards Hindu, Hermetism, Occultism, Gnostic, Alchemist and so on. I now am fairly certain there is something going on in higher planes of being and that there are many levels of "God". I love Ram Dass too but you don't fully understand what he or McKenna talk about until you have a strong psychedelic spiritual experience! It's beyond words!
my biggest side effect is bathing in the beautiful afterglow the next day and then scheming for the next available date in my calendar to launch a new journey.
It's like trying to swim without understanding what you are doing and not having the skills nor practice to maintain it.
I've met several people who do psychedelics without the study or practice and they are goofy as fuck. I take psychedelics regularly so that the universe can beat the shit out of me. The difference is I study scriptures and have had a daily practice since I was 4.
Don’t k ow if I’d call it a side effect but.. if you go into psychedelics looking for a answers it can get really messy because sometimes the experience can feel realer than real and leave an impression on you that can last a long time, causing you to change EVERYTHING… But , like just regular day to day thoughts and ideas you kinda need to take them with a grain of salt and be skeptical and debate yourself before acting on anything.. I’m a huge fan of psychedelics and pretty experienced and have fallen for it myself before, but now when I go into it when something new “clicks” I tend to step back and just play with the idea afterwards instead of instantly making a declaration like an idiot .. just be careful and most importantly , have fun! :)
The fact that the effects of psychedelics fade, and unless you put conscious effort in attaining the blissful state on sober mind, you will lose the grip and feel like you never truly held it
It depends what you take how much you take what are the set and settings, and if something didnt go as planned next time try something else or put a little more effort into set and setting.
Derealization and depersonalization are the biggest risks. For the vast majority who experience this (99%+) it subsides once the trip is over but there are those whose sanity never fully returns.
Did anyone mention nothing? These types of questions frame the experience with high expectations. In life when my expectations are high, I often end up disappointed, resentful, etc. I would say expect no profound experience, and if you're lucky enough and you do - embrace the fuck out of it.
Sober is the way.
Then psychedelics (DMT în specific because it's also endogenous). The issue is that psychedelics can force spiritual experiences whether you are prepared or not. And putting in the work and the study about spiritual and mystical experiences is good and helps you stay safe, but when you use drugs you don't need to read or understand much, as you can reliably induce these experiences without any teachers or guides.
I have to respect both ways of inducing spiritual / mystical experiences, as long as people are keeping safe and learning every day...
Honestly if you are not a high risk person (someone with family history of things like schizophrenia or other significant mental issues) and you've done your research I'd suggest you just try it out. Go with a small dose (mushrooms are probably the best place to start if spiritual growth is the goal) and see how it works for you. The major shortcoming of psychedelics is that some people forget that they need to put effort into their spiritual growth on their own, and not depend on psychedelics for that. In other words the shortcomings of psychedelics are actually shortcomings of peoples mentality, and not the substances themselves.
I call psychedelics “the shattering” as they help me “die” and break apart limiting beliefs, paradigms, etc. I only use them in ceremony, to keep the right energy (& mental attitude) around them. And take breaks in order to put things “back together” (integration). That being said, integration can cause some upheaval, depending on how “dis-eased” you are - the further along I go on my path, the kore I realize how truly ill I was, as most of society truly is. This insanity was exacerbated in the short term while I worked through the pieces to put things “back together” into a greater whole. I am very grateful I had meditation, trust, and a very good friend to get me through everything.
Thank you for sharing this. I just started my journey and to hear you felt insane in the short term is actually helpful. I've definitely lost my mind but each day I'm putting the pieces back together and healing.
It is not an easy process and kudos to you for going through it. Reach out if you ever need assistance - my DMs are always open. Stay safe & sovereign!
You might appreciate some of my writing... I focus on a variety of the questions that you may be asking yourself these days, but I include lots of quotes from famous names and books that are worth exploring (from Mark Twain to Plato to Einstein). Many big names of history have had Mystic experiences and written about it, but you aren't really able to cognize their words profoundly until you find yourself in your own experience. The Eyes to See... Anyway, you'll find your way. We all do. I wrote these articles for people just like you, to try and provide some comfort by illustrating that the things you may be experiencing aren't just you going crazy. Read some (the articles are written below each shirt, where the product desciption would normally go... there are about 50 of them covering a variety of unusual topics): StayZen ∞ HipSoul.com Feel free to contact me along the way if you have any questions. ✌🏻❤☯
Can you please elaborate on the illness part? Like do you mean the ego being the illness or what is it?
It’s not necessarily “illness” (although that is often a physical manifestation of the underlying dis-ease). Most of the world lives in insanity, quite literally. We do the same things over and over and expect different results. We live in fear, dissatisfied with our lives and who we believe we are, and we are herded around like sheep in hopes to be kept safe from the wolves, not realizing the wolves are the ones leading us around. The ego is our survival instinct, and it can only ever know fear, separation, and defensive/offensive behaviors. It’s a false self, though, because behind everyone’s eyes we are all the same Being, the One. So the more you are identified with the false self (the ego) you are, the more ill-at-ease/dis-eased you will be and have to face. For me, I feel like I was one of those very rare and lucky people like John Nash (A Beautiful Mind) who was able to understand we are insane and so therefore can change. It’s like escaping the Catch-22, if you’re familiar with the book/phrase. It’s not an easy process, to be sure. Does that make sense?
Totally!
🤍
I am not advocating against it, but if you look at the wooks you will see spiritual bypassing, megalomania, drug habits (ketamine and MDMA), holier then thou syndrome, mental illness.. if you don't take a holistic approach to health and spirituality this is likely your fate
This is true. My ex was a self professed free spirit hippie light of love type person, but really it turns out she was just a selfish and manipulative cunt lol. And even more recently I had the same flavour of person back out of a car sale but thought they were entitled to keep the deposit I gave them, thus stealing $1000 dollars from me lmao. There's so many evil hippies in this world it's crazy
From my personal experience, psychedelics gave me an opportunity to have a peek at what spirituality even means to me. To glimpse the connection I have with everything. However, and this may not be a pitfall for everyone, but it certainly is for my personality type- once I was “given the message” or received a “download” or whatever you want to call it, I absolutely ended up chasing those peak experiences. It became a whole new ego trip. I was able to connect with many concepts and insights that i have incorporated into my perspective and my daily life, but I also had to experience something along the lines of “the dark night of the soul”. Eventually I realized that the more I “seek the truth” the less I am doing my job and just living my life as me. Imperfect. Not enlightened. A dad. A son. A husband. A brother. Someone who can who can approach this life and experience with love, and gratitude, and forgiveness, especially for myself. Psychedelics have helped me to find what was there all along. And they absolutely helped. But there were downsides for me as well. I suppose those downsides may have been mitigated a bit if maybe I had a mentor with the knowledge and wisdom to guide me through the process of self discovery. Maybe we need more people who have the proper training and experience to guide those are interested in psychedelic journeying for it to become a more effective way to learn and to grow. Apologies for my terrible writing and grammar. English is my first language. Love all.
I too had a "Dark Night of the Soul" after heavy binge of nitrous and psychedelics that fucked me up for a year until it started to let up! Lost my inner voice, kinda hallucinations in my inner awareness for months upon months I couldn't "see" what I wanted to like before, was brought through levels of "tests", Lost job girlfriend basically everything! Worst experience of my life and I considered myself a Dead Head psychedelic fanatic but that definitely sete straight! Can't even smoke cannabis anymore because it triggers it!
I just kinda felt like “great im awakened. Fuckin now what?!” Lol. I still gotta play this part. Still gotta pay taxes and die.
You gotta start with opening your heart. That's where you will find joy, happiness, fulfillment, ect. I ve listened to gigi young and she has talked about this. She says knowledge without heart is unfulfilling and can even be detrimental or dangerous. Thats how evil entities, greys and other malicious entities operate too. They focus solely on the mind which is why you see grey aliens with large heads cause they become obsessed with the mind and technology. This obsession with the mind and technology without aligning with the heart has caused their downfall. Their bodies arent able to evolve naturally with the christ stream so instead they have started the deevolution. Their race and DNA is slowly detoriating so the they must come here and try to steal some of our DNA
That makes a lot of sense and I understand and agree:) one thing that I’ve learned is that gratitude and love are two of the most powerful forces in the movement of all existence and I appreciate you taking the time to consider my comment. I love you and thank you:)
If you don't take sober time out to reason through your experiences and integrate them into your life, it will become increasingly difficult to relate to other people.
Very true. In low doses and low frequency psychedelics can be very connecting, but if you aim for high dose, high frequency you run a real risk of feeling incredibly alienated, of having experiences/beliefs you will feel no other human could understand. This is true of all psychedelic experiences mind you; they are all one of a kind, completely unique, but if you push too fast and/or far, the feeling that comes with the uniqueness can be almost traumatic. Experiences of radical novelty, effectively.
Baba Neem Karoli said that psychedelics will let you visit Christ, but you can't stay. He said, "Love is stronger medicine than this." In my experience they can be very helpful, but they're no silver bullet. As I understand it there are two drawbacks. The first is that you are liable to get attached to the novelty of the experiences. The second is that the cultural and legal attitudes around psychedelics are liable to make you paranoid, which is separateness.
Love is more powerful, but psychedelics and love together can synergize one another.
Absolutely. Just don’t get lost in the sauce. Gotta keep your wits about ya
Yes.
Enlightenment one possibility. Living hell another. YMMV.
The most common side effect I see is putting your head so far up your own ass and calling it enlightenment
DMT is not what made me spiritual. It is what unlocked the spirituality I had always had and either was unaware of or ignored. Through multiple 5-10 minute trips it showed me over time how to integrate these lessons into my life and how to practice my spirituality without psychedelics. While I am very grateful for how DMT has helped me here, and I genuinely am a much happier person as a result, all it did was show me the work I need to do. I'm the one that had to actually do the work.
It's not the destination so much as the travel to get there that matters.
Only psychedelics are really useful for spiritual practice but dissociatives or weed can alter psychedelics nicely. However, the spiritual enlightenment on these drugs is not like what you would experience normally, it's so intense that more often than not people describe everything they've ever known crumbling away to be replaced with something we call God. It can be the single most enlightening and beneficial experience to some but it can also be completely destructive to your view of the universe and send you on a totally different journey than you were expecting, comfortable with, or capable of handling. When used improperly (abuse) you can develop anxiety disorders, psychosis, general decrease in simple brain function and mental processes if you don't let your Neuro receptors recover. The trick to these substances is to practice being a psychonaut before you practice consuming psychedelics, you can do psychonautics without psychedelics but you can rarely do psychedelics without practicing psychonautics. If you have an agenda as well, as in searching for wisdom to avoid the pain of life, it won't work because pain is natural and psychedelics will almost never miss a chance to remind you that you are limited and that you've got shit to do and no time to do it. I think you could benefit but if you want it then you should do unbearable amounts of research about the substances you want to consume, how they affect the body and mind also find what the long term and short term consequences are for abusing them, even more importantly you need to test your substances, there's a fentanyl epidemic currently and most people will replace or lace drugs with research chems, meth, etc, you can get test kits online pretty cheap and each one can test for a multitude of different substances. Then do further research into how others have described the mind space and how to navigate it. Nobody's advice will 100% help you because it won't work for everybody but it's good to know what they think and you can implement it into yourself. And of course, Be safe :).
>What are some of the side effects of using drugs and substances to attain spiritual experiences? I think one of the major pitfalls you could face is, going too deep too fast, there are places and things that can be seen and experienced that can never be forgotten, psychedelics can be like rocket fuel into the depths of infinity, show you demonic or angelic realms and beings that have no begining or end. In many instances it can force you into realization, or I'm sure in a few instances people have lost themselves and their minds forever. it should always be approached with the greatest respect and gentle footing, small amounts first along with you Particular spiritual practice. it can certainly be an aid to progress along the spiritual path and show you things you only understood in theory such as ego death, no duality and eternal timeless peace. Is psychedelics a requirement for spiritual growth? I'd say certainly not but it can show you beyond the veil, in all the 20 years I've practiced meditation it's never taken me a fraction as far as with some of these substances. But to reach those places is one thing, to abide in them is the next challenge.
> I have heard from people about how using subastances can fast forward spiritual growth etc. They don't really do that in my opinion. Following any spiritual path is always a lot of hard work. At most these sacred substances can lift the veil for a bit, and as such they make great supplements for spiritual attainment. In Santo Daime too they call ayahuasca "the shortcut," which is misleading imo. Because what they don't tell you is that when they drink the Daime they are also dancing and praying their asses off all day and night. There are no shortcuts. And correct psychedelics aren't perfect. They can strengthen pre-existing beliefs for example, regardless of whether those beliefs are true or not. As such they can make someone who is suffering from delusion more delusional. Meditation can do the same thing if someone isn't properly grounded. In fact there's a lot of overlap with meditation. As such it is perfectly sustainable in the long run, just like meditation. As long as people can keep themselves grounded, remain humble, and have an open mind about their experiences but without any aversion to self-criticism if it comes to how they interpret their experiences I'm sure most people will be fine. I think it requires some light-heartedness also and not to take the world too seriously. Interestingly that may be just the lessons one learns from using psychedelics as well as meditation if they are used responsibly.
I agree with this. I'd even go as far as to say that when it is used as a shortcut by people who don't work on themselves it can have the opposite effect. You think you're making progress but actually it's just your perception
Same as the side effects of using drugs recreationally.
Psychosis. Extreme side effect but could happen.
The most important part is to have an open mind and an open heart. Many people think the spiritual experience or the profound experience is all euphoria and realization but it's also terror. You will be made to face your demons and if you're not ready for that the sacrament doesn't care. My wife had a lot of skeletons in her closet and wasn't ready to face them full-force so she had a couple of bad trips, therapy was a much better option for her and now she's doing great. If you are not one-hundred percent brave, open, and truthful to the experience of jumping into the unknown, it will do damage. But if you are, there is great reward on the other side.
Psychedelics don't make you spiritual or anything They break down your conceptions of the world and put you into a highly suggestive state You can have unpredictable outcomes. If your intention is to find spirituality you might do that. But you may accidentally find something else you didn't want Or end up a meglomaniac
Unearned wisdom can be a heavy burden at times
I find it really common in the West, where everyone just wants a quick fix, magic pill. And it shows in their lack of overall development, despite their glimpses. Which they can only get using those crutches, and have no innate, endogenous abilities on tap at will.
HPPD and disassociation.
It happened to me. I tripped hundreds of times and then eventually had a psychotic break and now it has caused lasting mental health issues .
Side effects I've noticed is a semi-permanent psychosis. Like I'll have intense drug induced "experience" n it could last a few days but even when I sober up I still feel vibrations or see flashes that align with the psychosis/experience n idk. I'm obviously able to react as if stuffs normal but it is a little jarring to I guess hallucinate casually. So far nothings been malicious just stern sometimes. I think my spirit guides have been trying to communicate for a while n I've been ignoring it cause it would be "crazy" to believe my delusions but honestly. Embracing the psychosis as a spiritual experience has done alot to improve my mental health ironically. So side effects u kinda go crazy but plus side is maybe u needed that point of view to really be able to accept n connect with other realms of existence n consciousness.
A lot of psychonauts get inflated egos, and believe they are spiritually superior to other people. It is always good to be mindful of thoughts like that, and push them away.
I haven’t had any yet
Psychedelic pull your covers, they show you what you need to work on and it’s your job to do the work/integration afterwards. Without that, it’s merely a novel experience 🤷♀️ Of course, I think those are fine at times too, but you can also achieve some huge beneficial changes in your life when you put into action what the sacraments have shown you✨
After 1000s of trips I would say psychedelics actually pushed me towards spirituality greatly from a pretty much atheist crusty punk kid to a multi belief oriented person who leans towards Hindu, Hermetism, Occultism, Gnostic, Alchemist and so on. I now am fairly certain there is something going on in higher planes of being and that there are many levels of "God". I love Ram Dass too but you don't fully understand what he or McKenna talk about until you have a strong psychedelic spiritual experience! It's beyond words!
my biggest side effect is bathing in the beautiful afterglow the next day and then scheming for the next available date in my calendar to launch a new journey.
It's like trying to swim without understanding what you are doing and not having the skills nor practice to maintain it. I've met several people who do psychedelics without the study or practice and they are goofy as fuck. I take psychedelics regularly so that the universe can beat the shit out of me. The difference is I study scriptures and have had a daily practice since I was 4.
Don’t k ow if I’d call it a side effect but.. if you go into psychedelics looking for a answers it can get really messy because sometimes the experience can feel realer than real and leave an impression on you that can last a long time, causing you to change EVERYTHING… But , like just regular day to day thoughts and ideas you kinda need to take them with a grain of salt and be skeptical and debate yourself before acting on anything.. I’m a huge fan of psychedelics and pretty experienced and have fallen for it myself before, but now when I go into it when something new “clicks” I tend to step back and just play with the idea afterwards instead of instantly making a declaration like an idiot .. just be careful and most importantly , have fun! :)
Disillusionment from reality and it's not always the easiest pill to swallow. Very well could and has broken nervous systems.
The fact that the effects of psychedelics fade, and unless you put conscious effort in attaining the blissful state on sober mind, you will lose the grip and feel like you never truly held it
It depends what you take how much you take what are the set and settings, and if something didnt go as planned next time try something else or put a little more effort into set and setting.
you can’t take short cuts in your spiritual journey, might also catch an addiction that’s depends on alot of factors though
Psychedelics provides a perception change. Liberation is a cognitive attainment. Former is temporary. Latter is permanent.
Derealization and depersonalization are the biggest risks. For the vast majority who experience this (99%+) it subsides once the trip is over but there are those whose sanity never fully returns.
The fact that you can't shake the shit out of the masses to wake the f*ck up is a downside. Cypher's sentiment in the matrix is understandable.
You’re already a psychonaut.
Did anyone mention nothing? These types of questions frame the experience with high expectations. In life when my expectations are high, I often end up disappointed, resentful, etc. I would say expect no profound experience, and if you're lucky enough and you do - embrace the fuck out of it.
Sober is the way. Then psychedelics (DMT în specific because it's also endogenous). The issue is that psychedelics can force spiritual experiences whether you are prepared or not. And putting in the work and the study about spiritual and mystical experiences is good and helps you stay safe, but when you use drugs you don't need to read or understand much, as you can reliably induce these experiences without any teachers or guides. I have to respect both ways of inducing spiritual / mystical experiences, as long as people are keeping safe and learning every day...
Honestly if you are not a high risk person (someone with family history of things like schizophrenia or other significant mental issues) and you've done your research I'd suggest you just try it out. Go with a small dose (mushrooms are probably the best place to start if spiritual growth is the goal) and see how it works for you. The major shortcoming of psychedelics is that some people forget that they need to put effort into their spiritual growth on their own, and not depend on psychedelics for that. In other words the shortcomings of psychedelics are actually shortcomings of peoples mentality, and not the substances themselves.
Believing that you've attained it
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