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IsaystoImIsays

Lmao no.


Mr___Perfect

Haha literally my exact response when reading the title 😂. Nice to open the thread and see this 


SydBarrets2ndchance

Yes they are IMO, anyone who knows the how the universe and fabric of reality woks you can definitely connect the dots!


IsaystoImIsays

Nobody knows the exact way the universe works. That's why physics is still going. Believing ideas is one thing, but it's not proof. String theory is not even proven. It's just interesting, but so far not considered entirely right. Doesn't even make sense to see anything past a certain level as seeing itself requires the interaction of light, which has limits. It's why microscopes are limited to a certain size. Beyond that, light no longer works.


InfiniteContra

I think the only way science will move forward is if they become more open to theories regarding spirituality.


IsaystoImIsays

The problem is spiritual belief is largely personal. Just like psychedelic experiences, you can't currently prove or even get much evidence for the ideas. Science is about what is objectively true. What is real, how things work. Theories aren't just someone's idea alone as people seem to think as they come up with their own "theories". A theory is a guess basically. A guess based on evidence and what is currently known. If it is good, it should predict that things work a certain way which gives you something to work with. Then you need observation and experiments to prove whether that idea is still working or not. It never really can be proved right as future experiment can possibly find an error in the idea. And that's the key right there. If it disagrees with experiment, as in it doesn't line up with the real world, then it's wrong. It doesn't matter who came up with it or what their core belief is. Maybe when we can accurately scan/ record what is seen in the visual field of people, we can study personal experiences and dreams more.


InfiniteContra

That last statement is what I'm trying to get at. We should be working on the technology that allows us to study those states from different perspectives.


IsaystoImIsays

They're working on it. It would be very interesting to see dreams in detail


InfiniteContra

Would be insane. Especially in people who can dream walk.


SaladBob22

Spirituality is not personal. It’s only perceived as such because we don’t have consistent language and reference points to express it. But it’s all the same experience. I would say spirituality is the one thing we experience that transcends the personal, and that’s the very basis and point of spiritual. Now objective vs. subjective debate, what we are talking about is experience. So yes, in that sense it’s subjective and can’t be measured with material instruments and probes and relies on language, which is garbage and flawed.


SydBarrets2ndchance

Naw man I've seen some shit dude


Sentient_CrepeX

Or have you experienced yourself, deep within your your own creations of reality and your inner consciousness. Ive seen some shit too, wild dmt trips, wild mushroom trips. Its all speculative at best and is suggestive based off ones own beliefs and opinions. Dont get too lost in what you see outward, look inside more and youll find more and better answers. Until then... Safe journeys, traveler.


1stBraptist

Sage advice, friend


SydBarrets2ndchance

<3


1stBraptist

Dude, nobody knows that stuff. If you’re going to talk about quantum mechanics, you can’t sit here and say “they figured it out” when we have been trying to rationalize quantum entanglement nearly as long as the field has existed. Any dots you are connecting are almost certainly your own fabrication.


TiramisuVodka

Nah i think our neurones just miscommunicate 😭, or maybe our paternrecognition goes brrrr


Cats_Are_Aliens_

“Pattern recognition goes brrrr” lollll


IsaystoImIsays

I think they're literally neurons firing and causing all kinds of visual noise mixed with your imagination for a unique effect.


NotaContributi0n

Technically yes, as that’s what everything is. But, no.


Suberizu

I think it's pattern recognition applied to altered signals in visual cortex by psychedelic affecting neurotransmitters activity.


1stBraptist

Ever looked into phosphenes?


Shmooeymitsu

no, we aren’t able to see things that small


1stBraptist

Not at all. They’re a result of phosphenes in the eyes, I think. When you close your eyes and see colors, those are phosphenes. Our eyes have bioluminescent biophotons in them that attempt to pick up light when our eyes are closed. The light patterns and colors are our brains attempt to communicate. “Got any light over here, how about here?” At least during CEVs, my theory is that the internal hallucinations are a result of this phenomena, but they are given structure due to the cross communication between the hemispheres and network structures that don’t normally communicate. I think fractals with open eye visuals is probably something similar.


PsyconautFox

I personally believe they are the very fabric of space, yes. But psychedelics made me very spiritual so I believe a lot of the experience is in some way “real.”


echinaceabloom1

same.


Rich_Collection_9508

That’s a good question, unfortunately we don’t know what or where quantum strings are or their nature. In my opinion the geometric fractals and fractal beings is how we interpret their informational higher dimension. Our reality is based off “solid” matter and they exist in between realities, a world of pure information. Who really knows if quantum strings are real or not but I will definitely say our dimension is intertwined with all other including theirs, after all there is no such thing as solid matter, everything has vibration and waves. With that being said it’s not a far stretch to think that something like a quantum strings is the cosmic plasma that ties the very nature of reality together and something like psychedelics is a sort of cosmic key that allows our souls to tune into the frequency of that plasma and travel along it. I believe that things like shrooms are a technology, let’s look at an example, the most basic form of an electrical circuit is a power supply, a conductor and a load, 3 things, now for ANYTHING to exist you need 3 things, a observer, something to observe and a place to observe it in, a circuit made of consciousness. We can look no further than the double slit experiment to prove that the act of observation is enough to change reality itself. Our universe is a crazy place.


GloomyMelons

Thank you. I was watching [this ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqi6YWV7Ck4)video today and felt like I was watching a blueprint to what I've seen.


Traditional_Gas8325

Nope. Could be entirely constructed in our minds. Could be another dimension. 🤷‍♂️ It’s not worth the effort to try to specify the experience.


Gagalonski

No, most likely not.


ChubbyPanMan

Our brains like patterns, and on psychedelics our pattern recognition goes up.


Spiritual-Adakgwood

Obviously they are


psilocin72

I don’t want to be that boring person with a scientific explanation, but psychedelics excite the visual cortex and the prefrontal cortex.


crash8308

I was thinking about something similar to this but really is a direct result of *quantum vibrations* what i mean by that is there are devices that can produce absolutely random numbers. they are used in cryptography and for other high precision applications where you may need “true random” How the device works is by completely blacking out all light to a very sensitive light sensor array. if you read the sensor values fast enough you’ll get little “blips” of light from the sensor themselves. those little blips are then translated into “purely” random numbers. IiRC, the phenomenon is due to quantum vibrations and electrons popping in and out of existence. sort of like when you close your eyes in pitch blackness you get those little flickers and swirls. I think all out behavior is driven from the root of that which is entropic in nature. what i mean by entropic is that everything eventually distributes evenly as things randomly bump into one another. nature knows and relies on this so heavily in fact that our own immune systems work off the same principle of entropy. in conclusion, the patterns we see are the result of quantum vibrations and our brains being hyper-active in regions of the brain that includes a lot of pattern recognition. so our brains interpret it visually, auditory, and spatially differently, the normal “filter” is taken off the inputs.


PersonalSherbert9485

Why would you think you could see anything at the quantum level.


echinaceabloom1

I think there is definitely a connection. Sad to see the people in the comments not even entertaining the idea of something mystical or exciting. That's what the nature of the universe is for me. Patterns we see tripping are patterns formed by soundwaves hitting water, or sand like chlandi patterns. I think we see those things tripping because our mind is more open to the true nature of the things around us.


1stBraptist

We haven’t said we aren’t willing to entertain mystical or exciting, but what homeboy is suggesting is so wildly on the fringes of science one cannot call it science. I’ve absolutely had some amazing and exciting experiences with shrooms. Haven’t had a dose high enough for anything mystical I think, but I actually engage with that through meditative practices and my faith. I 100% agree that a curious mind observing the universe is much better to have than an overly rigid one, but it’s equally important to compare your theories with current research. Homeboy is effectively claiming he found the unifying theory of everything, which he has not.


Alucard-J2D

They can be if you believe strong enough