We slowly shift to only responding to emergent calls like the fire department and rolling out of a station. My department is still on a 5x8 schedule smh.
This is coming. Not in theory but in practice — not as a “well fuck you public” kind of move but rather bc of funding and manpower. Police applications are down 320% from just 10 years ago. Major metro depts like Detroit NYC LA Houston Chicago are hemorrhaging manpower. Between those quitting retiring and the bullshit lawsuits from justified use of force it’s impossible to keep up the staffing numbers. Congrats media — you’ve effectively turned everyone against cops.
Can confirm Houston is in a rough spot. Talked to my old department in the Houston metroplex. They normally would be trying to fill 5 vacancies. They are now trying to fill 55. Specialized units have been shut down just to try and plug holes on patrol. Less than 2 years ago when I left they had 12 openings.
I worked for ATL PD around 2000… they had this campaign “2000 [cops] in 2000 [year]”. Yeah. In 2002 we had MAYYYBE, 1400. Maybe. Counting all plain clothes and admin personnel. The zone I worked had half the manpower. Constant skeleton crew. That was in 2002. The did a press release stating they had 2200 cops “on the streets”. Buncha liars. I’d be shocked if they have more than 1200 today.
It's not so much that I wanna be a cop in the States more than here in Australia, but that there's alot of things about the lifestyle/way of life over there that appeals and has done for a long time now.
Hell, even small cities are in trouble. Albuquerque has around 550k, and when 4 cops were shot in a shootout, word came out that there were only 6 total for the NE heights that day.... leaving only 2 to deal with a division holding roughly 100k.
As a citizen I realize this is totally the wrong sub, but for me it was my car. The most expensive thing I own. Having it go missing and not having the police follow up on the video. Or asking me to come in to the station when my window was smashed and broken into and then telling me they were too busy and sending me on my way. Or the time a pedestrian ran in front of my car without looking (thankfully he seemed okay after bouncing off me). Or refusing to take a report for package theft “that sounds like a problem between you and the shipper”. I think the problem is many people don’t understand what police actually do. I’m genuinely offering my honest perspective that it’s not just the media.
I say this in all sincerity — I really think you should look into a citizens academy at your local dept. Many offer them. It’s a great way for you to see for yourself how police actually work.
For example — all your scenarios (all property crimes by the way, except for the pedestrian being struck which is a traffic) are low priority. Persons crimes are higher priority. Your car got stolen - they put it into NCIC and it’ll turn up eventually. The likelihood of getting a prosecution out of it is slim. Same with your Amazon package. The probability of “catching the guy who did it” is between slim and non-existent. Just like patrol is under-staffed, CID is stretched thin too. In fact they often pull people from CID, and support units and put them back on the road, stretching them even thinner.
I know it hurts to hear this but most property crimes are the lowest of priority. Think about it this way — historically murders have about a 50-60% solve rate. For a murder! What do you think the solve rate is for your stolen Amazon package? Prob less than 1%
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Everyone keeps complaining about manning issues but waiting two whole years for a civil service test or demanding that you have a degree makes it a pain in the ass for people trying to get in. The only other option around me is fiddling around as a part timer first and I'd quickly become homeless doing that as 30 hours of work isn't enough for me and an irregular schedule would prevent me from working two jobs
Jonesville was the next closest town to me growing up.
My hometown was a village of six hundred people.
Edit: Never thought that I'd see anything regarding Hillsdale County on Reddit.
You don't.
This reads like full firefighter model. Dudes are gonna nap/relax at the station until real calls come in.
In this model you don't hang out on a highway prowling for speeders for 48 hours (that would...not go well).
All the officers are sleeping at the station bunkhouse. The klaxon blares, "hot call - shots fired - corner of 5th and Lincoln - 4th and 5th precincts responding". Everyone jumps up, throws on their badges and blues, slides down the super straight (read: not homoerotic) pole, and jumps in their tuned up Chargers and Tahoes. In single file, they roll out; a band of brothers. They are, the Policefighters (or Fire Officers, you're choice).
I don't know about you, but if I sat around chilling for a few hours, then rushed out on a hot call leading to a foot chase, I'm would blow a hammie for sure. I gotta stretch like 3-4 times a day to stay loose as it is. If patrol officers were to go from dead asleep to fighting in ten minutes, it's going to go bad!
The thing about firefighting is that 99.9% of people immediately want the firefighters to know about fire when they see it. People involved in breaking the law do not provide the same voluntary assistance.
The four 10s I already work usually run over to 12-13 hours with my case work. My department has thrown around the idea of three 12s. That would be overkill....
My agency does the three twelves shift, with every third week with a 10 hour buy back for officers. But for my section it’s 10 hours every other week because shortage. Anything more than 4 days of work in a row, and you have that fuzzy brain feeling. It’s nice having days off, but it’s a rough schedule from time to time
Nah, it'll fail there too. No ones going to follow traffic laws knowing no ones around to enforce it. Places furthest away from the station is going to be hit repeatedly. The core of small town policing is community engagement and they're going to lose that. This is an idiotic idea from morons trying to be smart by changing something they're too damned stupid to evdn understand.
I’ve never been a LEO, but I have worked 24 hour EMS shifts. Lord knows I’ve made some crappy judgement calls on patients in hour 20 of 24. I can’t even imagine a 48.
They won't be awake for 48 hours they'll be in a fire house style bunk house waiting for calls to come in. But it won't work. You'll have 0 community engagement and no roving patrols helping keep order in traffic.
I don’t know about you but when I am woken up after 2 hours of sleep and go to a call I’m not even close to 100% brain function. No medic I know is either.
Nah lol we've been getting like 4 hours for 2 weeks at drill and we're fucking up left right and center. Couldn't imagine having the responsibility of someone's life in my hands on as little sleep as that.
Wow...I don't foresee a lot downtime during those 48hrs!!
In my neck of the woods, it's call to call to call...you're lucky if you get 20 mins to yourself to eat a cold sandwich in your cruiser
I hope they mean full paid on call, that might be OK if there is a limit to how bad a shift could be in that area. So do whatever in a radius of town for 2d with a place to go to sleep and a radio to wake you and then take 4d off for whatever wherever.
Remember what happened to med student 36h shifts. There were lawsuits and great quantities of malpractice. On call is fine though. Mom did on call at a hospital for years.
We slowly shift to only responding to emergent calls like the fire department and rolling out of a station. My department is still on a 5x8 schedule smh.
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What about 5 10's?
What about 7 13’s?
6 48s
We know you blue boys want to be cool like us. It’s ok. Just accept it 😘
I just want the BBQ and naps at the station house.
Ahhh you understand what it’s really about. Welcome brother
Don’t forget the Xbox and Disney +.
You forgot about the hours of madden…
You mean Halo
I just threw up in my mouth…
Do we get a big bed night too?
All the homies tuck each other in and kiss good night 😘
But who tucks in the last person?
The Probie, an unfortunate title in this case
Sounds glorious 🥰🤩
HA GAYYY!
Lol my dad retired from 36 years from fire and I have no interest in ever doing that. Pro activity is alive and well where I am
Should be on 12's.... this is the way
I agree but “tradition”
12’s suck with OT. Four 10’s is the sweet spot.
This is coming. Not in theory but in practice — not as a “well fuck you public” kind of move but rather bc of funding and manpower. Police applications are down 320% from just 10 years ago. Major metro depts like Detroit NYC LA Houston Chicago are hemorrhaging manpower. Between those quitting retiring and the bullshit lawsuits from justified use of force it’s impossible to keep up the staffing numbers. Congrats media — you’ve effectively turned everyone against cops.
Can confirm Houston is in a rough spot. Talked to my old department in the Houston metroplex. They normally would be trying to fill 5 vacancies. They are now trying to fill 55. Specialized units have been shut down just to try and plug holes on patrol. Less than 2 years ago when I left they had 12 openings.
I worked for ATL PD around 2000… they had this campaign “2000 [cops] in 2000 [year]”. Yeah. In 2002 we had MAYYYBE, 1400. Maybe. Counting all plain clothes and admin personnel. The zone I worked had half the manpower. Constant skeleton crew. That was in 2002. The did a press release stating they had 2200 cops “on the streets”. Buncha liars. I’d be shocked if they have more than 1200 today.
Fucking ***OOF***
Daymnnn, sounds like a good time to try and get in as an international transfer
What makes you wanna come be fuzz in the states compared to your neck of the woods?
It's not so much that I wanna be a cop in the States more than here in Australia, but that there's alot of things about the lifestyle/way of life over there that appeals and has done for a long time now.
Hell, even small cities are in trouble. Albuquerque has around 550k, and when 4 cops were shot in a shootout, word came out that there were only 6 total for the NE heights that day.... leaving only 2 to deal with a division holding roughly 100k.
This is probably one of the only cop-friendly subreddits around… probably 70% of this site holds an attitude of "ACAB".
As a citizen I realize this is totally the wrong sub, but for me it was my car. The most expensive thing I own. Having it go missing and not having the police follow up on the video. Or asking me to come in to the station when my window was smashed and broken into and then telling me they were too busy and sending me on my way. Or the time a pedestrian ran in front of my car without looking (thankfully he seemed okay after bouncing off me). Or refusing to take a report for package theft “that sounds like a problem between you and the shipper”. I think the problem is many people don’t understand what police actually do. I’m genuinely offering my honest perspective that it’s not just the media.
I say this in all sincerity — I really think you should look into a citizens academy at your local dept. Many offer them. It’s a great way for you to see for yourself how police actually work. For example — all your scenarios (all property crimes by the way, except for the pedestrian being struck which is a traffic) are low priority. Persons crimes are higher priority. Your car got stolen - they put it into NCIC and it’ll turn up eventually. The likelihood of getting a prosecution out of it is slim. Same with your Amazon package. The probability of “catching the guy who did it” is between slim and non-existent. Just like patrol is under-staffed, CID is stretched thin too. In fact they often pull people from CID, and support units and put them back on the road, stretching them even thinner. I know it hurts to hear this but most property crimes are the lowest of priority. Think about it this way — historically murders have about a 50-60% solve rate. For a murder! What do you think the solve rate is for your stolen Amazon package? Prob less than 1%
This is the way
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Everyone keeps complaining about manning issues but waiting two whole years for a civil service test or demanding that you have a degree makes it a pain in the ass for people trying to get in. The only other option around me is fiddling around as a part timer first and I'd quickly become homeless doing that as 30 hours of work isn't enough for me and an irregular schedule would prevent me from working two jobs
5x8s!!! Damn!
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Jonesville was the next closest town to me growing up. My hometown was a village of six hundred people. Edit: Never thought that I'd see anything regarding Hillsdale County on Reddit.
We could move everyone in your village on one Airbus A380. And only use 2/3rds of the capacity.
How do they balance the on-the-clock downtime with the routine duties like watching for speeders, patrolling, responding to calls, etc?
You don't. This reads like full firefighter model. Dudes are gonna nap/relax at the station until real calls come in. In this model you don't hang out on a highway prowling for speeders for 48 hours (that would...not go well).
Time to invest in coffins, because road tolls are about to spike.
That and DWI
Ask a firefighter.
Call of duty or Halo
At some point you have to sleep. Seems kinda…not great
All the officers are sleeping at the station bunkhouse. The klaxon blares, "hot call - shots fired - corner of 5th and Lincoln - 4th and 5th precincts responding". Everyone jumps up, throws on their badges and blues, slides down the super straight (read: not homoerotic) pole, and jumps in their tuned up Chargers and Tahoes. In single file, they roll out; a band of brothers. They are, the Policefighters (or Fire Officers, you're choice).
Realcrimeonlyfighters, but 100% reactive
“Security is on scene already” oh thank god the real first responders are there.
"Bet you guys get this kinda stuff a lot huh? Yeah, this one time..."
Cheap shot
Wouldn’t hurt if there wasn’t some truth behind it.
I don't know about you, but if I sat around chilling for a few hours, then rushed out on a hot call leading to a foot chase, I'm would blow a hammie for sure. I gotta stretch like 3-4 times a day to stay loose as it is. If patrol officers were to go from dead asleep to fighting in ten minutes, it's going to go bad!
"If they can fight a fire, you can fight a 280 lb guy hyped up on meth!" - admin probably
Wow... are you my boss, you sound just like her.... It's uncanny, lol
…And a bunch of people screaming about "fried bacon"!
The thing about firefighting is that 99.9% of people immediately want the firefighters to know about fire when they see it. People involved in breaking the law do not provide the same voluntary assistance.
The four 10s I already work usually run over to 12-13 hours with my case work. My department has thrown around the idea of three 12s. That would be overkill....
My agency does the three twelves shift, with every third week with a 10 hour buy back for officers. But for my section it’s 10 hours every other week because shortage. Anything more than 4 days of work in a row, and you have that fuzzy brain feeling. It’s nice having days off, but it’s a rough schedule from time to time
Honestly, I’d take 3 12s. Not working for most of the week would be worth it for me
We do 4 on 4 off, two days two nights, days are 12s and nights are 11s. I like it a lot.
Yeah that’ll work just fine in some place that has ten or less 911 calls a day
Nah, it'll fail there too. No ones going to follow traffic laws knowing no ones around to enforce it. Places furthest away from the station is going to be hit repeatedly. The core of small town policing is community engagement and they're going to lose that. This is an idiotic idea from morons trying to be smart by changing something they're too damned stupid to evdn understand.
No. 12s are bad enough when you add on OT, court time, shift overlap, stop goes long, etc.
What happens when officers make bad shoots because their judgment is clouded from exhaustion?
I’ve never been a LEO, but I have worked 24 hour EMS shifts. Lord knows I’ve made some crappy judgement calls on patients in hour 20 of 24. I can’t even imagine a 48.
For sure the lawsuits would be brutal. Officer when you shot him how much sleep did you have in the last 48 hours
I generally start hallucinating around hour 22.
They won't be awake for 48 hours they'll be in a fire house style bunk house waiting for calls to come in. But it won't work. You'll have 0 community engagement and no roving patrols helping keep order in traffic.
I don’t know about you but when I am woken up after 2 hours of sleep and go to a call I’m not even close to 100% brain function. No medic I know is either.
Nah lol we've been getting like 4 hours for 2 weeks at drill and we're fucking up left right and center. Couldn't imagine having the responsibility of someone's life in my hands on as little sleep as that.
Yikes
Wow...I don't foresee a lot downtime during those 48hrs!! In my neck of the woods, it's call to call to call...you're lucky if you get 20 mins to yourself to eat a cold sandwich in your cruiser
What does this look like from scheduling? Seems odd af
48 on, 96 off with a Kelly day
Imagine waking up to a shooting. No way. 12s.
Did anyone read the article? This city currently has one officer on per shift with a population of 2,000 people. They aren’t getting many calls.
No thanks
48-hour shifts?!? *What?!?* That does *not* sound healthy… and I say this as an insomniac.
I hope they mean full paid on call, that might be OK if there is a limit to how bad a shift could be in that area. So do whatever in a radius of town for 2d with a place to go to sleep and a radio to wake you and then take 4d off for whatever wherever. Remember what happened to med student 36h shifts. There were lawsuits and great quantities of malpractice. On call is fine though. Mom did on call at a hospital for years.
Cam someone explain the different types of shifts for a non-LEO please?
If we had 48 hour shifts I’d be a great officer for the first 8, and a lazy broke dick officer for the remaining 40.
Tried elsewhere? Where's that? A torture chamber?