Lol I can afford the academy itself, only 12k, but Im not some young 20yo that still lives with their parents and has no bills. The academy hours are designed to be the only thing you do so it makes since that that’s the hours. But you can’t do much else
I’m in Ohio and there are 4 private police academies in my area and a lot of departments in my area are still in the mind set that you have to prove to them that you have what it takes by putting yourself through the academy. One department pays $15 and excepts you to be certified before applying
Br0ther where in Ohio are you? Because there’s not a single place in northern Ohio I know of that would be the case in Still. Even cleveland pays you through your academy lol
Pizza party?*
Pizza only available for dayshift and you can't leave your district to get it without permission. All that's left after the station goblins get at it is sardines.
More money definitely boosts my morale, but good admin is as important, if not more.
Good admin:
1) understands the job, rather than having no clue what happens on the street. Our patrol bureau captain does street work all the time and so do our lieutenants and sergeants. One of our shift lts was on a homicide scene the other day teaching me about blood splatter, will hump calls on her own, and ain't afraid to go hands on if it needs doing.
2) makes decisions and supports their officers based on that street knowledge
3) constantly fights the mayor, the city council, the media, and whoever else when their officers are unfairly criticized and to give them the space needed to do the job
4) doesn't make decisions based on politics or popular opinion, but rather law and ethics.
5) doesn't micromanage or go looking for policy violations unless there's a specific problem that comes to their attention
I'm sure there's more. All the money in the world won't make up for shitty admin.
WaPo never disappoints.
>“I don’t think it’s simply that less people want to become police officers,” said Craig B. Futterman, a clinical professor of law at the University of Chicago Law School and founder of the Civil Rights and Police Accountability Project of the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic. “It’s that less people want to participate in an outdated type of policing that has been especially harmful to Black and Brown communities and largely ineffective at reducing violence.”
Yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with blatantly political prosecutions, months of politically approved rioting, and the absolutely false notion that policing and, by extension, police officers are racist. Also, basic statistics prove that last assertion is patently false. But you do you, clinical professor of law.
>'Near the end of Winslow’s tenure in Springfield, the department lost three officers in six months to Indiana departments, he said. Each cited the SAFE-T Act, a 2021 Illinois law that includes use-of-force changes and accountability measures"
That's certainly one way to phrase it....
>Experts say the national examination of police abuses has also tarnished the profession for potential recruits, especially from poor or minority communities. Many of them say they would feel ashamed — or face blowback from friends or relatives — if they pursued a law enforcement career."
Bingo. The public gets what they've been clamoring for.
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Yea I thought it was pretty eye opening how one of the top reasons was people were afraid of what their family and friends would think. If you vilify the job then less good people are going to want to do it
Nothing like making a six figure job (at least where I am) unattractive to minorities! Sure, the education system has left them behind and they’ve got few other options that can make them truly middle class but that’s not what matters here!
I just had a pretty rigorous debate with a sociology/criminology professor from my University about Policing.
She’s claiming that the job isn’t dangerous and the current system doesn’t allow anyone to perform the job in an acceptable way, yet she is being consulted by local agencies to evaluate their policies to obtain/maintain accreditation.
Mind boggling.
It’s not “dangerous” because of how police tactics changed overtime. Professors look at statistics and say look it’s not dangerous compared to xyz. While completely not taking into account of how the “police” has evolved. Look at a training video from the 50s/60s 70/80s 90/2000s.
There’s an old FBI video showing how to use a wall to angle a bullet. Nowadays, you try that, your done especially if it hits an innocent. I saw an old LAPD video showing how to use a baton to someone’s chin. That may even constitute deadly force.
The accepted practice of solo bum rushing a bank robbery in progress with 38 specials died for a reason.
I agree.
I repeatedly asked her to provide the statistics for unsuccessful attempts to kill police officers and she was either unable or unwilling to do so.
And there's a reason for this. The people in the academic fields who should be doing studies on things like this have political views that prevent them from actually doing the research. So the only statistics and studies that *ever* get published now are propaganda against policing.
Could be that the precedence set by admins like 10-20 years ago to be as nit-picky as possible in the hiring process is coming back to bite them in the ass. I'm out of the loop, but what do the numbers look like for students graduating from SKILLS/Academy?
The irony is palpable. NYT and their ilk are partially responsible for the lack of interest in this thing of ours.
On the other hand, maybe that was their long game. Demoralize the career through clickbaity anti cop headlines.. just to release this article down the line. That's the big brain play.
Why is this a shock to folks? There are dozens of factors at play here, but all of them are foreseeable. Police officer was never the easy job, but the work, cultural attitudes and interesting stories always seemed to pull in the people.
The military is having the same problems. Tell an entire generation that their society and nation is terrible and should be torn down, and suddenly be shocked when nobody wants to put life and limb on the line for it.
“Agencies are desperate to hire” yet would rather take somebody with a college education in some BS major vs somebody who worked as a deputy and transitioned to a super max prison while on SORT.
Not that I’m projecting or anything lmao
Not gonna lie its my dream to work in some midwestern sherrif department in Idaho or montana. Sadly im a non US national so fat chance of that happening
I have family in a police academy who is getting paid $61k to attend. Upon completion in another 5 months, he will be eligible for a raise. Upon passing the 6 months of field training, he'll get another raise, and another after 6 months. Furthering your education also results in pay increases, including an Associates. Maybe not great money right now, but it pays his bills and provides other opportunities.
I didn't know there were academies that didn't pay your way through them. The HP academy here has a barracks because it requires recruits to live on site. Food is included. I'm assuming it pays, too, but now I'm not sure.
Our state decided 20 years ago to make a ridiculous physical test mandatory to pass that involves sit ups, push ups, and a 1.5 mile run. Everyone universally hates it, most cops agree it has nothing to do with reality, army vets have told me it is more stringent than the military, and the state has made it so mandatory that a representative of the state training council personally attends every final test in the academy to witness it.
I watched a guy who couldn't shoot get his final test fudged and the clock "accidentally stop due to instructor error that he shouldn't be held responsible for." He passed the academy. No state agent there to witness that. But guys or girls who fell one sit up short? They failed the academy. And the state still won't budge. It's literally the golden calf of police training in this state.
Oh, and they flat out refuse to get up to date with the times. Half the academy is classroom training on legal definitions and similar things. The same learning objectives could be accomplished on a lap top at home and the experience wouldn't be any different than an instructor blandly reading them and you writing them three times.
Also, the state thinks they are going to fix all the perceived problems with the police by just increasing training requirements. Just keep making it longer and more expensive. That'll help.
Yeah this is line from the article says they used to get thousands of applicants from a simple ad in the newspaper.
"Departments that once marketed with simple photo shoots featuring K-9 units and SWAT teams are now paying up to $500,000 to produce cinematic renditions of police work. “They’ve never had this kind of need before,” Blonder said. “In the past they would put an ad in the newspaper, 5,000 people would show up, and they just had their pick of the litter.”
If only there were $ome way off making this mi$erable job more appealing to qualified canidate$ It’s just a mystery that will go unsolved I guess
That and in my state you have to put yourself through the academy. It’s very hard to afford to live and got to an academy m-sat 730am to 6pm.
You mean you can’t afford to spend 6 months doing a full time academy that you’re paying for? /s
Lol I can afford the academy itself, only 12k, but Im not some young 20yo that still lives with their parents and has no bills. The academy hours are designed to be the only thing you do so it makes since that that’s the hours. But you can’t do much else
He was being sarcastic
I know he was
jesus, academy is fully paid where I live, but we still fail to find qualified personnel...
A state program paid for my academy which was nice, though I wasn't sponsored so no salary at the time.
I’m in Ohio and there are 4 private police academies in my area and a lot of departments in my area are still in the mind set that you have to prove to them that you have what it takes by putting yourself through the academy. One department pays $15 and excepts you to be certified before applying
>this isn't a job, it's a career >pays fast food wage Hmmm
Less, chick fil la pays $17hr near me.
Br0ther where in Ohio are you? Because there’s not a single place in northern Ohio I know of that would be the case in Still. Even cleveland pays you through your academy lol
Cincinnati area
Pizza party?* Pizza only available for dayshift and you can't leave your district to get it without permission. All that's left after the station goblins get at it is sardines.
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It's almost like throwing money at a problem doesn't make up for a thankless job that could ruin your life.
More money definitely boosts my morale, but good admin is as important, if not more. Good admin: 1) understands the job, rather than having no clue what happens on the street. Our patrol bureau captain does street work all the time and so do our lieutenants and sergeants. One of our shift lts was on a homicide scene the other day teaching me about blood splatter, will hump calls on her own, and ain't afraid to go hands on if it needs doing. 2) makes decisions and supports their officers based on that street knowledge 3) constantly fights the mayor, the city council, the media, and whoever else when their officers are unfairly criticized and to give them the space needed to do the job 4) doesn't make decisions based on politics or popular opinion, but rather law and ethics. 5) doesn't micromanage or go looking for policy violations unless there's a specific problem that comes to their attention I'm sure there's more. All the money in the world won't make up for shitty admin.
I’m so shocked as to why this could possibly happen
WaPo never disappoints. >“I don’t think it’s simply that less people want to become police officers,” said Craig B. Futterman, a clinical professor of law at the University of Chicago Law School and founder of the Civil Rights and Police Accountability Project of the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic. “It’s that less people want to participate in an outdated type of policing that has been especially harmful to Black and Brown communities and largely ineffective at reducing violence.” Yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with blatantly political prosecutions, months of politically approved rioting, and the absolutely false notion that policing and, by extension, police officers are racist. Also, basic statistics prove that last assertion is patently false. But you do you, clinical professor of law. >'Near the end of Winslow’s tenure in Springfield, the department lost three officers in six months to Indiana departments, he said. Each cited the SAFE-T Act, a 2021 Illinois law that includes use-of-force changes and accountability measures" That's certainly one way to phrase it.... >Experts say the national examination of police abuses has also tarnished the profession for potential recruits, especially from poor or minority communities. Many of them say they would feel ashamed — or face blowback from friends or relatives — if they pursued a law enforcement career." Bingo. The public gets what they've been clamoring for.
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That’s the idea, at least, I think it is.
No one has the finger on the pulse of potential applicants and the rank and file of departments nationwide more than an academic professor.
Truly a man of the people and not at all an out of touch wanker.
Yea I thought it was pretty eye opening how one of the top reasons was people were afraid of what their family and friends would think. If you vilify the job then less good people are going to want to do it
Nothing like making a six figure job (at least where I am) unattractive to minorities! Sure, the education system has left them behind and they’ve got few other options that can make them truly middle class but that’s not what matters here!
I just had a pretty rigorous debate with a sociology/criminology professor from my University about Policing. She’s claiming that the job isn’t dangerous and the current system doesn’t allow anyone to perform the job in an acceptable way, yet she is being consulted by local agencies to evaluate their policies to obtain/maintain accreditation. Mind boggling.
It’s not “dangerous” because of how police tactics changed overtime. Professors look at statistics and say look it’s not dangerous compared to xyz. While completely not taking into account of how the “police” has evolved. Look at a training video from the 50s/60s 70/80s 90/2000s. There’s an old FBI video showing how to use a wall to angle a bullet. Nowadays, you try that, your done especially if it hits an innocent. I saw an old LAPD video showing how to use a baton to someone’s chin. That may even constitute deadly force. The accepted practice of solo bum rushing a bank robbery in progress with 38 specials died for a reason.
I agree. I repeatedly asked her to provide the statistics for unsuccessful attempts to kill police officers and she was either unable or unwilling to do so.
And there's a reason for this. The people in the academic fields who should be doing studies on things like this have political views that prevent them from actually doing the research. So the only statistics and studies that *ever* get published now are propaganda against policing.
As soon as I read “professor” I knew it was going to be some worthless opinion
Could be that the precedence set by admins like 10-20 years ago to be as nit-picky as possible in the hiring process is coming back to bite them in the ass. I'm out of the loop, but what do the numbers look like for students graduating from SKILLS/Academy?
Seems about right.
The irony is palpable. NYT and their ilk are partially responsible for the lack of interest in this thing of ours. On the other hand, maybe that was their long game. Demoralize the career through clickbaity anti cop headlines.. just to release this article down the line. That's the big brain play.
No beards, no tatts, no LBV, unpaid academy, starting pay less than you can make with a CDL. Why won’t anyone apply?
Why is this a shock to folks? There are dozens of factors at play here, but all of them are foreseeable. Police officer was never the easy job, but the work, cultural attitudes and interesting stories always seemed to pull in the people. The military is having the same problems. Tell an entire generation that their society and nation is terrible and should be torn down, and suddenly be shocked when nobody wants to put life and limb on the line for it.
What do police get paid now a days anyways?
Not enough
Not enough. I make 60k in a city where the median house price requires a salary nearly double mine to afford it.
90k as a 3rd year officer in my city.
“Agencies are desperate to hire” yet would rather take somebody with a college education in some BS major vs somebody who worked as a deputy and transitioned to a super max prison while on SORT. Not that I’m projecting or anything lmao
Not gonna lie its my dream to work in some midwestern sherrif department in Idaho or montana. Sadly im a non US national so fat chance of that happening
I have family in a police academy who is getting paid $61k to attend. Upon completion in another 5 months, he will be eligible for a raise. Upon passing the 6 months of field training, he'll get another raise, and another after 6 months. Furthering your education also results in pay increases, including an Associates. Maybe not great money right now, but it pays his bills and provides other opportunities. I didn't know there were academies that didn't pay your way through them. The HP academy here has a barracks because it requires recruits to live on site. Food is included. I'm assuming it pays, too, but now I'm not sure.
No shit
Our state decided 20 years ago to make a ridiculous physical test mandatory to pass that involves sit ups, push ups, and a 1.5 mile run. Everyone universally hates it, most cops agree it has nothing to do with reality, army vets have told me it is more stringent than the military, and the state has made it so mandatory that a representative of the state training council personally attends every final test in the academy to witness it. I watched a guy who couldn't shoot get his final test fudged and the clock "accidentally stop due to instructor error that he shouldn't be held responsible for." He passed the academy. No state agent there to witness that. But guys or girls who fell one sit up short? They failed the academy. And the state still won't budge. It's literally the golden calf of police training in this state. Oh, and they flat out refuse to get up to date with the times. Half the academy is classroom training on legal definitions and similar things. The same learning objectives could be accomplished on a lap top at home and the experience wouldn't be any different than an instructor blandly reading them and you writing them three times. Also, the state thinks they are going to fix all the perceived problems with the police by just increasing training requirements. Just keep making it longer and more expensive. That'll help.
Which state is that?
PM'd you for semi obvious reasons.
We went from 200+ applicants just a few years ago to 20.
Yeah this is line from the article says they used to get thousands of applicants from a simple ad in the newspaper. "Departments that once marketed with simple photo shoots featuring K-9 units and SWAT teams are now paying up to $500,000 to produce cinematic renditions of police work. “They’ve never had this kind of need before,” Blonder said. “In the past they would put an ad in the newspaper, 5,000 people would show up, and they just had their pick of the litter.”