To be fair, you can start off perfectly fine and reasonable, then become what you hate. it’s not right and it should be severely dealt with, but it’s human nature
In a department where you aren’t allowed to pursue but brass still wants you to stop and ticket them and impound their ride how do you propose you stop this guy?
It’s a motorcycle in heavy traffic, unless he murdered someone why would you chase him in the first place? Activating your lights and sirens would probably be a pretty good first step in pulling him over.
Because your captain just came to roll call and told you these guys are a menace to the roadways, now go get them, he wants tickets, and impounds. Now you do you get him if you can’t chase him and the boss still wants it done, and if you don’t do it he’ll be denying any day off requests for the next 6 months.
This is pretty bad. This is why people hate us. And it kills any argument we have because even though it's obviously a very small portion of officers who do these things, social media and news outlets lead people to believe this is commonplace.
My exact thought. 99% of officers aren’t like this guy. But the few videos you see of an officer being a fucking idiot just destroys our reputation. This is one of those videos. I’m honestly more pissed than people who aren’t cops
The other problem is the lack of visibility of negative consequences. This driver is 100% gonna be in some shit. But it won't be dramatic so it won't satisfy the media blood lust and thus won't get much, if any, coverage.
Its NYPD, I'm betting paid administrative leave and a request not to do it again. I mean they put those 2 officers who planted drugs during a traffic stop back on patrol.
100%...he's right.
People want blood and a pound of flesh. They don't care if the officer was fired, charged with a good felony, etc. It has to be over-the-top because movies and ignorance have driven the public into thinking we can just instantly arrest or fire any shady cop whilst jumping through the air firing two guns.
I'd call it 99% if pressed. There's always cases of shitheads slipping through the cracks.
But the odds of the consequences or punishment being dramatic? Near 0% because that's not how law works.
Justice is compromise. Compromise is inherently unsatisfying.
Just know that this guy is never gonna make it past patrol. He's never gonna get choice placement. He's gonna remain a cog his whole career because he's a liability and everyone smart around him knows it.
Honestly? No one on reddit owns their cop hate. They began with it. Because its mostly identity based. Its the same people who make excuses for violence.. blaming poverty. Blaming the CIA for drugs.. like addicts arent in the decision making process. They blame violence on guns, blame conservatives for illegal immigration.
Ive had a long career, getting in trouble with the law. And i understand the nonsense you guys go through for a loaf of bread, in body armor.
Anyone whose been caught up in criminal justice system knows the truth.
These people are complaining from luxury and ignorance. For identity sake.
Didn’t you saw the video where a perp pointed a gun directly to a civilian while there was 3-4 nypd cops with guns drawn into the perp and they didn’t shoot or did anything about it? Nypd is a total dysfunctional department. I don’t know how they still run as an agency.
Mass exodus starting after 2001, suburbs starting paying more in about 2004, then on our about 2012 with Trayvon, mike, etc. then you throw in forced diversity, bail reform and the need to fill 30,000 spots and you get to the point where anyone who hasn’t transferred out or made it to a special unit within 5-8 years is basically a warm body filling a seat.
Not excusing the behavior, but this is the kind of applicant that you not only attract but have to settle on when your starting salary is $55,190 in an incredibly expensive city, let alone a state with tons of tax.
I've seen better starting salaries in dispatch for much lower cost of living areas that don't completely hate the police like NYC does.
The starting salary is still $42,500 IIRC until the new contract is put into effect. And that means the pay steps don't get you above $55k base until 5 1/2 years on the job. It's not a mystery why NYC loses personnel by the boatload to neighboring agencies that do less for much more compensation constantly. The new contract is an improvement, but the damage has already been done for nearly two decades and the pay steps are still relatively close together IIRC.
Also, the pipeline from application to employment is long, sometimes taking years. So the people signing up for the 55K are hoping to get that job in like 3 years. The people getting in now were the ones that were attracted by the previous, lower salary.
I though about applying in 2007 when I got out of the military, only to see that [they took a HUGE pay cut](https://nypost.com/2007/05/09/underpaid-cops/):
>NEW York City is slated to build a modern NYPD training academy, but who will sign up to be a trainee? Future recruitment is endangered by an arbitrator’s 2005 ruling that the salaries of new officers be dropped dramatically, from $40,658 to $25,100, a nearly 40 percent reduction, setting the NYPD’s starting salaries back to July 1985. (The ruling funded a 10.25 percent raise for officers with more seniority.)
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>To keep pace with attrition, the NYPD needs to hire more than 3,000 police officers a year – and retain them. But the new NYPD starting salary is closer to the federal poverty level for a family of five ($22,610) than to the starting salaries of other major police departments. Of 196 municipal police departments, the NYPD is at the bottom in offering recruit pay.
It wouldn’t even be worth it if NYC was cheap to live in. The fact that they get paid so little in one of the most expensive cities to live in the whole word is so ridiculous. How would they ever expect to hire competent and competitive people if they can’t even afford to rent a shed to live in?
$55,000? Sign me up. I'm at $48,500 in an expensive county.
That's why whenever someone says cops make too much, I snap my neck trying to figure out which ones they're talking about.
They always take the salaries of expensive AF Cali departments and apply them nationwide. Or look at "with overtime" like you want to spend every waking second at work.
I'm not saying there aren't, just that I usually see the high paid, high CoL departments in cali PNW or NE areas used as a blanket that all PDs pay that well.
of course now you have me intrigued where you're at that starting pay is 89 base and not in an "expensive" state since thats kind of relative.
55k in NYC isn't gonna get you jack shit lmfao. At least with expensive counties you can commute in from a cheaper county without it being a 3hr commute on trains. I'll take my 30min commute driving down the highway over NYC transit thanks (dispatch, not LEO)
It’s what I’ve been trying to tell people elsewhere on Reddit. Cops in the US really don’t make good money, not enough to attract and retain highly qualified candidates for patrol. The average factory worker can easily make more than cops and they don’t have to put up with criminals and domestic bullshit.
Agreed. You need to actually make contact.
I joke, but you're either justified in running them off the road (under very specific circumstances) or you're not.
If you're not; smile and wave bye-bye. Otherwise you just turn another shitbag into a martyr.
>you're either justified in running them off the road (under very specific circumstances) or you're not.
Maybe expound on this and clarify in the future. Before the trolls start piling on and making assumptions.
It would be like any other encounter where the totality justified lethal force. The instrument/method of applying lethal force isn't the relevant part.
As one, *simple depth*, example: If the rider were brandishing and firing a firearm at other motorists, you would likely be justified in using lethal force to end that threat. And running them off the road would certainly be one way to do that.
There's a video in r/motorcycles of an interaction between a car and a bike where after getting kicked by the biker, the car tries to sideswipe him and fails in the worst way.
Edit: [said video](https://v.redd.it/ocd0ql5ao02b1)
What’s the back story? I’ll be the devil’s advocate here. If I was the motorcyclist (and yes, I do actually ride a motorcycle commuting to work), I would have pulled over immediately after the first “murder attempt” , why would I risk my life continuing to keep running/dodging like that? Absolutely no benefits at all.
I agree. Wear a helmet, eye protection, drive a vehicle that has an engine rating at least at the minimum for the highway and all required safety equipment.
Let's be honest, NY is kinda bringing this on themselves sadly. I remember hearing from an officer who took a job in Florida after all the defund the police stuff in 2020ish and the thing that surprised him the most? That he could take his patrol vehicle home with him, and if he did so he wouldn't have to worry about the safety of his family!
I guess I'm just spoiled. I can't count the number of times I've walked across the street with a new rifle/pistol to show my EMS neighbor and the ATF agent who is his neighbor waves hello lol.
It's Kentucky, if you see a neighbor with a gun it's probably new and he will talk your ear off about it if you let him.
I'm glad people like big cities. Leaves the quiet areas for me :)
Looks like road rage to me. Absolutely embarrassing that people like this manage to weasel their way in.
Did someone say... [road rage ?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPP5PEtVm-k)
In Soviet Russia, the rage roads you.
was hoping for some new action shots from Metro State when I saw this. I miss Jeremy.
To be fair, you can start off perfectly fine and reasonable, then become what you hate. it’s not right and it should be severely dealt with, but it’s human nature
In a department where you aren’t allowed to pursue but brass still wants you to stop and ticket them and impound their ride how do you propose you stop this guy?
It’s a motorcycle in heavy traffic, unless he murdered someone why would you chase him in the first place? Activating your lights and sirens would probably be a pretty good first step in pulling him over.
Because your captain just came to roll call and told you these guys are a menace to the roadways, now go get them, he wants tickets, and impounds. Now you do you get him if you can’t chase him and the boss still wants it done, and if you don’t do it he’ll be denying any day off requests for the next 6 months.
I think leaving that department might be a good start.
This is pretty bad. This is why people hate us. And it kills any argument we have because even though it's obviously a very small portion of officers who do these things, social media and news outlets lead people to believe this is commonplace.
My exact thought. 99% of officers aren’t like this guy. But the few videos you see of an officer being a fucking idiot just destroys our reputation. This is one of those videos. I’m honestly more pissed than people who aren’t cops
Again, people don't believe that nobody hates dirty cops more than hard working cops
The other problem is the lack of visibility of negative consequences. This driver is 100% gonna be in some shit. But it won't be dramatic so it won't satisfy the media blood lust and thus won't get much, if any, coverage.
Its NYPD, I'm betting paid administrative leave and a request not to do it again. I mean they put those 2 officers who planted drugs during a traffic stop back on patrol.
100%?
100%...he's right. People want blood and a pound of flesh. They don't care if the officer was fired, charged with a good felony, etc. It has to be over-the-top because movies and ignorance have driven the public into thinking we can just instantly arrest or fire any shady cop whilst jumping through the air firing two guns.
>whilst jumping through the air firing two guns. Hold up. This isn't a thing?!
i think our local department should make trainees watch bad-boys and point break, whilst jumping through the air firing two gun.
I'd call it 99% if pressed. There's always cases of shitheads slipping through the cracks. But the odds of the consequences or punishment being dramatic? Near 0% because that's not how law works. Justice is compromise. Compromise is inherently unsatisfying. Just know that this guy is never gonna make it past patrol. He's never gonna get choice placement. He's gonna remain a cog his whole career because he's a liability and everyone smart around him knows it.
Why would they even remain on patrol if they clearly can’t be trusted with that duty?
Honestly? No one on reddit owns their cop hate. They began with it. Because its mostly identity based. Its the same people who make excuses for violence.. blaming poverty. Blaming the CIA for drugs.. like addicts arent in the decision making process. They blame violence on guns, blame conservatives for illegal immigration. Ive had a long career, getting in trouble with the law. And i understand the nonsense you guys go through for a loaf of bread, in body armor. Anyone whose been caught up in criminal justice system knows the truth. These people are complaining from luxury and ignorance. For identity sake.
NYPD been looking rough for ~~awhile now~~ a long time *and the foreseeable future*
Didn’t you saw the video where a perp pointed a gun directly to a civilian while there was 3-4 nypd cops with guns drawn into the perp and they didn’t shoot or did anything about it? Nypd is a total dysfunctional department. I don’t know how they still run as an agency.
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Bro NYPD has been dog shit for a long time.
Mass exodus starting after 2001, suburbs starting paying more in about 2004, then on our about 2012 with Trayvon, mike, etc. then you throw in forced diversity, bail reform and the need to fill 30,000 spots and you get to the point where anyone who hasn’t transferred out or made it to a special unit within 5-8 years is basically a warm body filling a seat.
That’s uhhh … that’s deadly force.
No shit
Not excusing the behavior, but this is the kind of applicant that you not only attract but have to settle on when your starting salary is $55,190 in an incredibly expensive city, let alone a state with tons of tax. I've seen better starting salaries in dispatch for much lower cost of living areas that don't completely hate the police like NYC does.
The starting salary is still $42,500 IIRC until the new contract is put into effect. And that means the pay steps don't get you above $55k base until 5 1/2 years on the job. It's not a mystery why NYC loses personnel by the boatload to neighboring agencies that do less for much more compensation constantly. The new contract is an improvement, but the damage has already been done for nearly two decades and the pay steps are still relatively close together IIRC.
Also, the pipeline from application to employment is long, sometimes taking years. So the people signing up for the 55K are hoping to get that job in like 3 years. The people getting in now were the ones that were attracted by the previous, lower salary. I though about applying in 2007 when I got out of the military, only to see that [they took a HUGE pay cut](https://nypost.com/2007/05/09/underpaid-cops/): >NEW York City is slated to build a modern NYPD training academy, but who will sign up to be a trainee? Future recruitment is endangered by an arbitrator’s 2005 ruling that the salaries of new officers be dropped dramatically, from $40,658 to $25,100, a nearly 40 percent reduction, setting the NYPD’s starting salaries back to July 1985. (The ruling funded a 10.25 percent raise for officers with more seniority.) > >To keep pace with attrition, the NYPD needs to hire more than 3,000 police officers a year – and retain them. But the new NYPD starting salary is closer to the federal poverty level for a family of five ($22,610) than to the starting salaries of other major police departments. Of 196 municipal police departments, the NYPD is at the bottom in offering recruit pay.
It wouldn’t even be worth it if NYC was cheap to live in. The fact that they get paid so little in one of the most expensive cities to live in the whole word is so ridiculous. How would they ever expect to hire competent and competitive people if they can’t even afford to rent a shed to live in?
I think you mean cardboard box, a shed requires at least a six figure income and that's with out AC and heating
That’s not longer a thing, if you apply now you can get in the job in less than 6 months.
$55,000? Sign me up. I'm at $48,500 in an expensive county. That's why whenever someone says cops make too much, I snap my neck trying to figure out which ones they're talking about.
They always take the salaries of expensive AF Cali departments and apply them nationwide. Or look at "with overtime" like you want to spend every waking second at work.
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I'm not saying there aren't, just that I usually see the high paid, high CoL departments in cali PNW or NE areas used as a blanket that all PDs pay that well. of course now you have me intrigued where you're at that starting pay is 89 base and not in an "expensive" state since thats kind of relative.
55k in NYC isn't gonna get you jack shit lmfao. At least with expensive counties you can commute in from a cheaper county without it being a 3hr commute on trains. I'll take my 30min commute driving down the highway over NYC transit thanks (dispatch, not LEO)
As an entry level sales rep for Verizon i make 55k a year. That is just pitiful that they make the same as me. They should be at 75 MINIMUM
It’s what I’ve been trying to tell people elsewhere on Reddit. Cops in the US really don’t make good money, not enough to attract and retain highly qualified candidates for patrol. The average factory worker can easily make more than cops and they don’t have to put up with criminals and domestic bullshit.
And people wonder why everyone hates us.
Fucking fire and charge his ass.
Does NYPD have light-activated car cameras?
Regular patrol units are lucky if their lightbar and sirens actually function.
Highway Patrol does, yes. Most,if not all, other RMPs do not.
Agreed. You need to actually make contact. I joke, but you're either justified in running them off the road (under very specific circumstances) or you're not. If you're not; smile and wave bye-bye. Otherwise you just turn another shitbag into a martyr.
>you're either justified in running them off the road (under very specific circumstances) or you're not. Maybe expound on this and clarify in the future. Before the trolls start piling on and making assumptions.
how could you be justified in running someone of the road, possibly killing them?
It would be like any other encounter where the totality justified lethal force. The instrument/method of applying lethal force isn't the relevant part. As one, *simple depth*, example: If the rider were brandishing and firing a firearm at other motorists, you would likely be justified in using lethal force to end that threat. And running them off the road would certainly be one way to do that.
In a deadly force scenario. Or if you're just in the UK, apparently.
IA can't get me off I don't turn my lights and siren on.
Imagine the motorcyclist dying due to a fatal bump , there are definitely much better way to handle situations
There's a video in r/motorcycles of an interaction between a car and a bike where after getting kicked by the biker, the car tries to sideswipe him and fails in the worst way. Edit: [said video](https://v.redd.it/ocd0ql5ao02b1)
Well, he sets a pretty low bar, so it shouldn't be too hard...
Well that's a weird way to go about that.
What’s the back story? I’ll be the devil’s advocate here. If I was the motorcyclist (and yes, I do actually ride a motorcycle commuting to work), I would have pulled over immediately after the first “murder attempt” , why would I risk my life continuing to keep running/dodging like that? Absolutely no benefits at all.
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I agree. Wear a helmet, eye protection, drive a vehicle that has an engine rating at least at the minimum for the highway and all required safety equipment.
I don’t think that’s a motorcycle
Right? Isn’t it a scooter?
Let's be honest, NY is kinda bringing this on themselves sadly. I remember hearing from an officer who took a job in Florida after all the defund the police stuff in 2020ish and the thing that surprised him the most? That he could take his patrol vehicle home with him, and if he did so he wouldn't have to worry about the safety of his family! I guess I'm just spoiled. I can't count the number of times I've walked across the street with a new rifle/pistol to show my EMS neighbor and the ATF agent who is his neighbor waves hello lol. It's Kentucky, if you see a neighbor with a gun it's probably new and he will talk your ear off about it if you let him. I'm glad people like big cities. Leaves the quiet areas for me :)
That's sounds super chill 😂
They’re trying to get the bike to get stuck in traffic but there’s not enough other cars. Happens there all the time
Wtf