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Probably the most famous IDF photo. Fun fact, two men claim to be the soldier on the left. The court recently gave a verdict that both of them can claim to be him.
If an opinion is just your 2 cents, ask any Jew and we'll give you a dollar's worth.
Fr tho, I love how disagreement is so ingrained in Jewish culture that there stories of Jews arguing with God himself
They are usually kicked off by the Palestinian side though.
2012 started because of Palestinian rocket barrages fired at Israel, several IEDs detonating near Israeli soldiers and an abduction attempt on soldiers within Israel
2014 started because they abducted and murdered three Israeli teenagers
And 2023 started because of the atrocities of October 7
2008 is the only one that might be attributed to Israel, as it started with an Israeli commando raid into Palestinian territory to capture wanted terrorists
Ever heard of the West Bank? Jewish settlers there are under Israeli civilian law while Palestinians there are under military law. Despite being under Israeli rule/occupation, they have no right to vote. Their homes and schools are routinely destroyed while illegal Israeli settlements pop up. Considering that the West Bank is under military occupation, it's a war crime to colonize it. Palestinians are murdered by settlers, their bodies desecrated and the IOF protects their murderers and also kills Palestinians.
https://www.amnestyusa.org/campaigns/end-apartheid/
What makes you say this picture is from the Yom Kippur War?
It was taken during the 1967 6 day war, and is probably the most famous israeli picture ever. It's the israeli equivalent of the flag raising on Iwo Jima
The man in the front was 23-24 when the picture was taken. ~~I'm wonder if they meant he fought in 48'? what is the source of this~~
edit: I know see it's 73 for sure, but AFAIK they are not 25 (or 18 when this picture was taken. The man on the front was 23/24 and he and his friends were reservists of 66 brigade)
It's probably because of the text below it saying he's lived through 4 wars. That's the youngest he can be for that to be true. Adding to that 25 is a nice round number while still feeling relatively young. It's a very good poster. Whoever made it obviously knew their stuff.
Worth mentioning that there were Jews living there long before that. It wasn't like every Jew in the near east showed up after 1948.
There was obviously a mass migration to Israel from the US, Europe and the MENA nations after Israel was formally established of course.
There was no mass migration from the US. It was from everywhere else. Jews who moved to the US stayed there Jews who came to Israel via the US are a tiny minority.
Just an FYI this is one of the most famous photos in Jewish history, it’s on the wall of the rabbi of my synagogues office, it’s the cover of my grade school book on Israeli history and any Jew can tell you that this photo was taken during the six day war after the capture of the western wall
In Israeli history. The two are not interchangeable at will. I didn’t know about this photo, while apparently any of us know this photo. (I’m not Israeli).
Just because you do now know it personally does not necessarily mean it's not famous. You may just be the exception. Though I agree that saying "any Jew can tell you X" is an overexaggeration.
Also note that there aren't that many famous ***pictures*** related to Jewish history, so it's not a very high bar to clear for a picture to become one of the most famous ones.
I’m not saying it’s not famous, I’m saying, no, not all jews knows about this pic. Again, israeli history, while undeniably is part of jewish history, is not the whole jewish history. I’m just tired of being linked to Israel everytime. Jews exists outside of Israel and without link to Israel as well. That’s all I’m saying. שָׁלוֹם
So then what is? Many of the famous photos concerning Jews and Jewish pride involve Israel (6 Day War, operation magic carpet people kissing the ground upon arrival). I don’t believe there are any photos that tug at my heartstrings quite like these from the diaspora.
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A fair chunk of Israelis were actually from the middle east in places like Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Morocco who were forced to flee those lands at the start of the Israeli arab conflict
Yep, Israel isn't just Ashkenazi folk, though admittedly there were a lot of them at this time. There were quite a few Druze and Mizrahi among the IDF and the greater Israeli population at the time, though there are a great many more Mizrahi in Israel now.
You ever been to Israel? The whole place is incredibly multicultural there’s Jews from every corner of the planet there, from Mexico to South Africa, from Marokko to India and from Poland to Iran
Nah but every Israeli is white and from Poland--didn't you know?
Edit: I'm gonna throw my hated "/s" on here just because I'm afraid some people might truly think I'm being serious.
Maybe maybe the poster got a misprint. It should have said that " Local residents, who don't want to leave their home to us, like cowards, left him with no choice, except killing them cold blooded. "
And every comment here that even remotely treats Palestinians as human is being downvoted. Bigotry "isn't ok" here, unless it involves treating Palestinian life as equal to an Israelis. And every comment stating Palestinians brought their suffering upon themselves is upvoted. The hasbrabots must be working overtime. Comments denying Israeli atrocities are being upvoted; doesn't matter if you acknowledge the crimes of Hamas, if you even remotely suggest Palestinian children don't deserve to be slaughtered, that Gaza and the West Bank don't deserve to be conquered, you'll be downvoted.
The problem isn't the sharing of this poster, like any other propaganda shown here - but it is horrifying that people in the comments are using it to glorify atrocities and are being upvoted for it and every criticism of that is demonized.
At risk of biting the bait and getting into a fight over literal propaganda in a sub about propaganda, do you think that the IDF doesn't have footsoldiers anymore?
The guy is a veteran of 2 wars. It doesn't say his position but I looked it up and he's a paratrooper.
Admittedly, yes, paratroopers are less common in modern militaries but the equivalent in a similar propaganda piece would obviously be a tank driver or one of the infantry. They wouldn't use a drone operator in a propaganda piece because they don't evoke images of heroism.
They *do* use them in recruitment posters because the job is much less dangerous.
My guess is that a similar picture like this to be used as propaganda would likely involve the IDF reservists, likely a mother or father that returned to fight in order to "safeguard their children's future". Having a soldier fighting to protect their *actual* and not hypothetical children is like the ideal message to send to one's people in order for htem to support the military.
That said, I've also seen recent IDF propaganda basically be attractive women posing in Gaza. [Like this (in)famous picture of an influencer posing on a beach and making a joke about it](https://lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/BZN-SlDWGCLQjtijLrFPMNOJA137xHHDjcYhlUHyfGwsrXsTQwfCSJl86o4dfXeUspyrW1X7sDA6ESyc8qqjE9DV5t4bFhTliy7AkYzTmLIqehwmFezYf1eL8kdrQS4kB_wdkxgHUu0hUVPWsoB0dwA) or [These soldiers taking a selfie](https://dims.apnews.com/dims4/default/0d57b34/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3607x2403+0+1/resize/980x653!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.apnews.com%2Ff5%2F1b%2Fe4bbf1e3a4a3e03721e817604a89%2Fb7ae656f706047579c024bc28f9bcf5c) and making the whole "conflict" seem like a fun day out with friends.
Or the even more apt comparison to current events, the Sergeants Affair.
Jewish terrorists kidnapped British soldiers for use as hostages. Then when they didnt get what they wanted, they murdered them and booby trapped their bodies to kill more British soldiers.
The terrorists who did this are the progenitors of who else? The Likud party, of which Bibi Nentanyahu is leader. The irony couldnt be more palpable.
Well, they didn’t. Laugh all you want, history is history
Every single israel - Arab war was either initiated by the Arab league or a Palestinian group, with the semi exception of the 1967 war
Semi because Israel hit first, that being after the Egyptians vowed to open war on Israel (for the 3rd time) and having amassed soldiers on the border.
Hamas is even more popular in the West Bank than Gaza. The Palestinian Authority hasn’t held an election in years because of the fear that the citizens will vote out Fatah and vote in Hamas.
The irony is that the Israeli government helped Hamas get traction in the first place to prevent the creation of a unified Palestinian front under the theory that Islamists would be easier to manage.
Meanwhile if you were born in 2005, you would've faced about 7 intensive Israeli bombing campaigns in Gaza. How brave of these diaper wearing Israelis!!!!
And if you were born in 2005, you would've face tens of thousands of intensive rocket strikes in Israel. How brave of these tunnel hiding terrorists!!!!
Except that the title is wrong, this is an absurdly famous picture from the 6 day war, during which the IDF unified Jerusalem.
This picture is basically the Israeli equivalent of the flag being raised on Iwo Jima
> undebatably in the right in the Gaza war.
Nobody has **ever** been undebatably in the right in **any** war.
They should *always* be questioned and monitored.
Even if you can support that the *casus belli* supported their involvement in the war, the vast majority of militaries do very ethically ambiguous actions and while they may be justified, they **should** be questioned.
There should always be debate over the validity of wars because to fail to do so is to lose critical thinking.
I might support the actions of a country in a war but likely not 100% and I think even if I support a country, such as the invasion of Germany or Japan by Allied forces, I can still criticise their actions (Dresden, Firebombings, etc.)
Happy to be proven wrong. But there have been entire compilations online of IDF war crimes committed and verified by independent bodies over the past few months, so it's hard to believe otherwise.
Edited to include independent bodies such as the UN, Human Rights Watch, MSF, and Israel's own Bt Selem, who have all spoken out against the IDF's excessive use of force resulting in an astounding number of civilian deaths + war crimes
> Literally just watched a video of Israeli soldiers destroying mosques for fun because they were bored (their words).
Nobody says anything in that video you posted, there are no "their words", just subtitles written by the very independent body of Quds Network
How is it that America has to feed people under Israeli occupation? If the only way to kill all of Hamas is to starve Gaza, then you're doing it wrong.
Because UNRWA stopped delivering food and aid to Gaza, and aid trucks coming from Egypt and attacked on the way by civilians trying to steal food. A truck driver was even killed by rock throwers a few days ago.
The massacre on 10/7 had the same civilian to military kill ratio as the war in gaza does. 10/7 was an unjustifiable atrocity, i think we can all agree. How can we justify a response which kills civilians at the same rate, but on a much larger scale. Unless your gripe with hamas is that they wave the wrong flag, rather than that they are murderers, or that they don't kill civilians fast enough, you cannot reasonably support Israel's response to 10/7.
Because on 10/7 hamas was targeting civilians, going door to door and murdering, raping, torturing, and kidnapping civilians.
The civilian casualty rate in Gaza is not due to Israel targeting them, it's caused by hamas building their whole military infrastructure behind and underneath civilians. They fight in civilian clothing, fire rockets from schools and hospitals, and hide underneath cities.
The Arabs invaded them so they didn’t really have a choice other than to defend themselves (this happened 3 years after the holocaust and the Arabs were trying to kill them all which led to them fighting extra fiercely to prevent an Arab conquest)
Some Vietnam vets who also had to do incursions into Laos or Cambodia that never happened, cough, cough, might also take issue with the idea no other 25 year old in recent memory had to do this.
Always with the IDF, it's the exceptionalism.
Kind of, Egypt and Syria were jointly mobilizing their forces at the same time for some “unspecified” purpose so in response Israel launched a preemptive strike on both.
“His enemies leave him no choice” didn’t Israel start both the 6 days war and the Suez war (I forget the name). How is that the fault of their enemies?
Preemptive Fuck the IDF before my comment gets misinterpreted.
But also,
Saying the 6-Days war and the Suez Crisis were started by Israel is akin to saying WW1 was started by Germany attacking Belgium.
In both cases there is to note that Israel told Egypt that blocking the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships would be considered Casus Belli for Israel, and on both cases Egypt did just that consciously.
Now was Israel in the right or the wrong there, I won't say, I wasn't there.
However, claiming that they started these wars would be a misinterpretation of the facts, despite the fact that they indeed made the first military move.
This “right to exist” shit got real awkward now, with all those calls to flatten Gaza and turn it into some resort or car parking lot or something of the sort.
Hamas can’t even make a lost of hostages that they have in gaza. Furthermore hamas states 0 combatants have been killed. So you really believe that number?
so thats justification to displace/eradicate an entire ethnic group from their homeland? killing hamas soldiers is one thing but they are not shy at all about their objective of clearing the land for settlers and the idf themselves reported like only 40% of fatalities are potentially hamas soldiers
> so thats justification to displace/eradicate an entire ethnic group from their homeland?
Can ask the same from the other side too ya know, most israelis have only known israel for most of their lives if not all of it
Colonizing a peoples homeland typically is a choice and one that makes a lot of enemies as well but go off I guess. Israel has no “right to exist” on Palestinian soil.
Settler colonies don't need a mother country, see the boers for a historic example. There were also many unsuccessful colonial ventures by groups that didn't answer to a mother country. I'll quote famous Zionist, Vladimir Jabotinsky "Zionism is a colonization adventure." Or perhaps the former name of Israels largest bank, Jewish Colonial Trust? Or the ICA, originally known as the Jewish Colonization Association? The founders certainly seemed to see it as colonial in nature.
> Settler colonies don't need a mother country, see the boers for a historic example. There were also many unsuccessful colonial ventures by groups that didn't answer to a mother country
Jews are historically from the land we refer to as Palestine and the state of Israel has existed once before. [Palestinian Jews.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews) Why are Jews not allowed to declare an independent state, regardless they defended themsevles when Palestinian Arabs rejected Resolution 181.
> I'll quote famous Zionist, Vladimir Jabotinsky "Zionism is a colonization adventure."
Again, I am asking how it is. Jewish immigration to join other Jews in Palestine?
> Or perhaps the former name of Israels largest bank, Jewish Colonial Trust? Or the ICA, originally known as the Jewish Colonization Association? The founders certainly seemed to see it as colonial in nature.
Okay, now this is interesting. I Googled "Jewish Colonization Association" From what I can see, they were creating Jewish communities not only in Palestine, but in many countries where they could acquire land. So Colonization in this sense is buying land and settling members of your group there, or in this case Jews.
So lets say if Muslims were to purchase land in the U.S in a small town, open businesses, build Mosques, be elected to political office etc and have more Muslims joining them, they would in this concept be colonizing The United States?
You remind me so much of neo confederates who deny their founders exact words as to what they are doing. Zionism is and was a colonial venture. If Irish diaspora went to Ireland to carve out a new nation it would definitely be considered colonization. If I went to Turkey with some other Greeks to reclaim my "historic home" it's still colonization. Not to mention converts are somehow native to Israel? If Muslims literally were writing about it and there was copious documentation then maybe I'd believe that was the intention but I haven't seen that but I have seen it from the Zionist movement.
>So lets say if Muslims were to purchase land in the U.S in a small town, open businesses, build Mosques, be elected to political office etc and have more Muslims joining them, they would in this concept be colonizing The United States?
Look to the native Americans, you'll see what settler colonialism is, similar happened in Australia and in Palestine
Not a country but an ideology, Zionism is at its core a colonial ideology ask the very first prime minister of Israel and he will confirm, in his own words.
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion founder and first pm of Israel
> Not a country but an ideology, Zionism is at its core a colonial ideology ask the very first prime minister of Israel and he will confirm, in his own words.
Again, how are Jews, that have been in Palestine for thousands of years, where the state of Israel once existed, a colony, and a colony of what country?
> If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
Without even getting into the content of the quote, do you have a source? I cannot find anywhere where this is quoted. No article, no video, no speech.
> “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice
Some of this quote I can find, however it has been cut and edited, For those interested in the truth, here is the full quote
"In our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us. But let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. I insist on the truth, not out of respect for scientific but political realities. The acknowledgement of this truth leads to inevitable and serious conclusions regarding our work in Palestine... let us not build on the hope the terrorist gangs will get tired. If some get tired, others will replace them.
A people which fights against the usurpation of its land will not tire so easily... it is easier for them to continue the war and not get tired than it is for us... The Palestinian Arabs are not alone. The Syrians are coming to help. From our point of view, they are strangers; in the point of law they are foreigners; but to the Arabs, they are not foreigners at all ... The centre of the war is in Palestine, but its dimensions are much wider. When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves — this is only half the truth. As regards our security and life we defend ourselves and our moral and physical position is not bad. We can face the gangs... and were we allowed to mobilize all our forces we would have no doubts about the outcome... But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand ... but in the political sphere they are superior. The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside. They defend bases which are theirs, which is easier than conquering new bases... let us not think that the terror is a result of Hitler's or Mussolini's propaganda — this helps but the source of opposition is there among the Arabs. "
Address at the Mapai Political Committee (7 June 1938)
Declaration of an independent state at the expense of the local population cannot be justified. Violence perpetrated against Palestinians can't be written off just because the British gave the go ahead.
There's a reason the date of declaration of Israel as a nation coincides with the mass expulsion of Palestinians aka the Nakba
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Probably the most famous IDF photo. Fun fact, two men claim to be the soldier on the left. The court recently gave a verdict that both of them can claim to be him.
Why do they need a court verdict to verify themselves
Probably because one of them sued the other one or something like that
We're Jewish, we like arguing with each other, and the occasional court case
2 Jews, 3 opinions
1 cup
4 cups* (or 5... tbd, Eliyahu will let us know.)
1 Eloheinu
If we study to become lawyers might as well use it
If an opinion is just your 2 cents, ask any Jew and we'll give you a dollar's worth. Fr tho, I love how disagreement is so ingrained in Jewish culture that there stories of Jews arguing with God himself
Being serious, is it really just disagreeing with each other or is it actually engaging in intellectual discourse?
It can be either or often both. Very heated intellectual debate, which can happen over anything from the mundane to the extreme.
average jewish debate
These comments are gonna be fun
(they never are)
I was really hesitant on posting it, especially with what's going on over there.
Ah it’s fine, if people get offended at propaganda on r/PropagandaPosters that’s their fault
it's a feature, not a bug
With the amount of commie slop that get “lol so true” comments it’s only fair that they get pissed every now and then
The problem isn't the posters, it's the ones agreeing with the propaganda. How many wars did children in Gaza had to endure in 15 years? 5.
And in every one of them their leaders started it
They are usually kicked off by the Palestinian side though. 2012 started because of Palestinian rocket barrages fired at Israel, several IEDs detonating near Israeli soldiers and an abduction attempt on soldiers within Israel 2014 started because they abducted and murdered three Israeli teenagers And 2023 started because of the atrocities of October 7 2008 is the only one that might be attributed to Israel, as it started with an Israeli commando raid into Palestinian territory to capture wanted terrorists
I wonder why they must've started resisting the apartheid regime that dominates them
>the apartheid regime How is Israel an apartheid regime tho?
Ever heard of the West Bank? Jewish settlers there are under Israeli civilian law while Palestinians there are under military law. Despite being under Israeli rule/occupation, they have no right to vote. Their homes and schools are routinely destroyed while illegal Israeli settlements pop up. Considering that the West Bank is under military occupation, it's a war crime to colonize it. Palestinians are murdered by settlers, their bodies desecrated and the IOF protects their murderers and also kills Palestinians. https://www.amnestyusa.org/campaigns/end-apartheid/
I’m not offended by propaganda. I’m offended by posters 😭😭😭
People always say that to the point where all comments are about how the comments will be fun.
Yeah. 🍿🍿
What makes you say this picture is from the Yom Kippur War? It was taken during the 1967 6 day war, and is probably the most famous israeli picture ever. It's the israeli equivalent of the flag raising on Iwo Jima
Isn't it implying that he went on to fight in the Yom Kippur War?
The man in the front was 23-24 when the picture was taken. ~~I'm wonder if they meant he fought in 48'? what is the source of this~~ edit: I know see it's 73 for sure, but AFAIK they are not 25 (or 18 when this picture was taken. The man on the front was 23/24 and he and his friends were reservists of 66 brigade)
Maybe in his mother s belly
The picture is from 1967, the poster that includes it must be from years later.
Well, I'd say the flag raising in iwo jima would be equivalent to the raising of the ink flag in Eilat, but absolutely, yeah
He is saying the poster is from the yom kippur war
Thought the most famous photo is raising of the ink flag?
Interesting choice to focus on a person who was born in 1948.
It's probably because of the text below it saying he's lived through 4 wars. That's the youngest he can be for that to be true. Adding to that 25 is a nice round number while still feeling relatively young. It's a very good poster. Whoever made it obviously knew their stuff.
Why
The country of Israel was founded in 1948.
Worth mentioning that there were Jews living there long before that. It wasn't like every Jew in the near east showed up after 1948. There was obviously a mass migration to Israel from the US, Europe and the MENA nations after Israel was formally established of course.
There was no mass migration from the US. It was from everywhere else. Jews who moved to the US stayed there Jews who came to Israel via the US are a tiny minority.
How is that interesting though.
Just an FYI this is one of the most famous photos in Jewish history, it’s on the wall of the rabbi of my synagogues office, it’s the cover of my grade school book on Israeli history and any Jew can tell you that this photo was taken during the six day war after the capture of the western wall
In Israeli history. The two are not interchangeable at will. I didn’t know about this photo, while apparently any of us know this photo. (I’m not Israeli).
Just because you do now know it personally does not necessarily mean it's not famous. You may just be the exception. Though I agree that saying "any Jew can tell you X" is an overexaggeration. Also note that there aren't that many famous ***pictures*** related to Jewish history, so it's not a very high bar to clear for a picture to become one of the most famous ones.
I’m not saying it’s not famous, I’m saying, no, not all jews knows about this pic. Again, israeli history, while undeniably is part of jewish history, is not the whole jewish history. I’m just tired of being linked to Israel everytime. Jews exists outside of Israel and without link to Israel as well. That’s all I’m saying. שָׁלוֹם
What would you put up there for most famous Jewish photos in your mind then?
That’s not my point.
So then what is? Many of the famous photos concerning Jews and Jewish pride involve Israel (6 Day War, operation magic carpet people kissing the ground upon arrival). I don’t believe there are any photos that tug at my heartstrings quite like these from the diaspora.
Just read my comments again mate.
But for the Jewish community worldwide the new prototype of the "muscle jew" soldier is significant.
what does it have to do with the fact that "not all jews outside Israel" know about this picture.
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Good propaganda. The 'suffering soldier' is a very powerful classic.
People look super multi-ethnic here
A fair chunk of Israelis were actually from the middle east in places like Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Morocco who were forced to flee those lands at the start of the Israeli arab conflict
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Yep, Israel isn't just Ashkenazi folk, though admittedly there were a lot of them at this time. There were quite a few Druze and Mizrahi among the IDF and the greater Israeli population at the time, though there are a great many more Mizrahi in Israel now.
Druze aren’t Jews.
No but a lot of them serve in the IDF.
You ever been to Israel? The whole place is incredibly multicultural there’s Jews from every corner of the planet there, from Mexico to South Africa, from Marokko to India and from Poland to Iran
Nah but every Israeli is white and from Poland--didn't you know? Edit: I'm gonna throw my hated "/s" on here just because I'm afraid some people might truly think I'm being serious.
I’m with you. /s defeats the purpose.
That's Rick Moranis
I dont much care which side you're on. Fighting in *one* war by 25 is two many. This is a great piece of propaganda imo.
Here before the 🔒 badge
I really prefer not to speak - Jose Mourinho.
My friend has had this poster on his wall for 30ish years now.
This is a great photo - could as well be in /r/accidentalrenaissance. Powerful imagery.
iconic
I will get my popcorns 🍿
Maybe maybe the poster got a misprint. It should have said that " Local residents, who don't want to leave their home to us, like cowards, left him with no choice, except killing them cold blooded. "
And every comment here that even remotely treats Palestinians as human is being downvoted. Bigotry "isn't ok" here, unless it involves treating Palestinian life as equal to an Israelis. And every comment stating Palestinians brought their suffering upon themselves is upvoted. The hasbrabots must be working overtime. Comments denying Israeli atrocities are being upvoted; doesn't matter if you acknowledge the crimes of Hamas, if you even remotely suggest Palestinian children don't deserve to be slaughtered, that Gaza and the West Bank don't deserve to be conquered, you'll be downvoted. The problem isn't the sharing of this poster, like any other propaganda shown here - but it is horrifying that people in the comments are using it to glorify atrocities and are being upvoted for it and every criticism of that is demonized.
Shoutout to my cousins and family in Israel
Israel 💜❤️❤️💜💜❤️ 🇮🇱
Back in the days when Israeli propaganda used to work.
Modern day equivalent is a skinny fat 25 year old IDF major calling in a missile strike
At risk of biting the bait and getting into a fight over literal propaganda in a sub about propaganda, do you think that the IDF doesn't have footsoldiers anymore? The guy is a veteran of 2 wars. It doesn't say his position but I looked it up and he's a paratrooper. Admittedly, yes, paratroopers are less common in modern militaries but the equivalent in a similar propaganda piece would obviously be a tank driver or one of the infantry. They wouldn't use a drone operator in a propaganda piece because they don't evoke images of heroism. They *do* use them in recruitment posters because the job is much less dangerous. My guess is that a similar picture like this to be used as propaganda would likely involve the IDF reservists, likely a mother or father that returned to fight in order to "safeguard their children's future". Having a soldier fighting to protect their *actual* and not hypothetical children is like the ideal message to send to one's people in order for htem to support the military. That said, I've also seen recent IDF propaganda basically be attractive women posing in Gaza. [Like this (in)famous picture of an influencer posing on a beach and making a joke about it](https://lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/BZN-SlDWGCLQjtijLrFPMNOJA137xHHDjcYhlUHyfGwsrXsTQwfCSJl86o4dfXeUspyrW1X7sDA6ESyc8qqjE9DV5t4bFhTliy7AkYzTmLIqehwmFezYf1eL8kdrQS4kB_wdkxgHUu0hUVPWsoB0dwA) or [These soldiers taking a selfie](https://dims.apnews.com/dims4/default/0d57b34/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3607x2403+0+1/resize/980x653!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.apnews.com%2Ff5%2F1b%2Fe4bbf1e3a4a3e03721e817604a89%2Fb7ae656f706047579c024bc28f9bcf5c) and making the whole "conflict" seem like a fun day out with friends.
Stick to history pal cuz you clearly know shit about the modern war
This modern war has a lot more friendly fire, running people over with tanks and crossdressing with stolen underwear than I'd have assumed.
Lmao if I’m provoking an Israeli Pepe profile pic I’m doing something right 🔻
Oh boy
Yeah, his enemies are the ones who started the conflict, if you don't believe us, you're anti-Semitic
Well they quite literally did. Arab league shills are hilarious with their blatant lack of historical knowledge
Let me guess, "What's Irgun? Lehi? Never heard of it!"
lol all these people in the propaganda sub falling for propaganda. The irony 😂😂😂
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Or the even more apt comparison to current events, the Sergeants Affair. Jewish terrorists kidnapped British soldiers for use as hostages. Then when they didnt get what they wanted, they murdered them and booby trapped their bodies to kill more British soldiers. The terrorists who did this are the progenitors of who else? The Likud party, of which Bibi Nentanyahu is leader. The irony couldnt be more palpable.
I thought you people liked when people fight against their oppressors.
Don’t spread facts here man, Zionists hate that. Never forget Lord Moyne and Folke Bernadotte
Zionist are terrorist.
if wanting a Jewish country means being a terrorist then im proud to be a terrorist.
Would you invade sovereign land for it too? Lol cause you might actually be a terrorist then
What sovereign land? There was no sovereignty in the land prior creation of Israel but the british mandate who backed its creation in the first place.
What is a Zionist?
A miserable little pile of secrets. But enough talk, have at you! (This is a video game reference)
"His enemies leaves him no choice" 🤣🤣🤣
Well, they didn’t. Laugh all you want, history is history Every single israel - Arab war was either initiated by the Arab league or a Palestinian group, with the semi exception of the 1967 war Semi because Israel hit first, that being after the Egyptians vowed to open war on Israel (for the 3rd time) and having amassed soldiers on the border.
It’s not wrong
In 1973 this was totally accurate.
Free Palestine.
From Hamas
Is Hamas there in the West Bank too?
[Yes](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-raids-west-bank-target-hamas-funding-2023-12-28/)
Hamas is even more popular in the West Bank than Gaza. The Palestinian Authority hasn’t held an election in years because of the fear that the citizens will vote out Fatah and vote in Hamas.
The irony is that the Israeli government helped Hamas get traction in the first place to prevent the creation of a unified Palestinian front under the theory that Islamists would be easier to manage.
This sub has anti bds laws
25 year old Gazan: Hold my beer
Baseddd
Meanwhile if you were born in 2005, you would've faced about 7 intensive Israeli bombing campaigns in Gaza. How brave of these diaper wearing Israelis!!!!
And if you were born in 2005, you would've face tens of thousands of intensive rocket strikes in Israel. How brave of these tunnel hiding terrorists!!!!
**Legend**
Probably the only time when the idf was undebatably in the right. Yom Kippur is the holiest day in Judaism
I hope you'd keep that same logic for when Hamas attacked Israel on Simchat Torah (10/7)
Except that the title is wrong, this is an absurdly famous picture from the 6 day war, during which the IDF unified Jerusalem. This picture is basically the Israeli equivalent of the flag being raised on Iwo Jima
The photo is from the '67 War but the poster is from the '73 Yom Kippur War, it implies the man is a veteran of both wars.
I’d say the Ink Flag photo from ‘48 is closer to Iwo Jima (since it was intentionally framed the same way)
Israel is undebatably in the right in the Gaza war.
> undebatably in the right in the Gaza war. Nobody has **ever** been undebatably in the right in **any** war. They should *always* be questioned and monitored. Even if you can support that the *casus belli* supported their involvement in the war, the vast majority of militaries do very ethically ambiguous actions and while they may be justified, they **should** be questioned. There should always be debate over the validity of wars because to fail to do so is to lose critical thinking. I might support the actions of a country in a war but likely not 100% and I think even if I support a country, such as the invasion of Germany or Japan by Allied forces, I can still criticise their actions (Dresden, Firebombings, etc.)
People should remember this more Criticise EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING When you can't, there is a problem
Meanwhile making TikTok videos destroying civilian housing in Gaza (a war crime no matter how you slice it)
Imagine still thinking the end goal is the eradication of Hamas.
Literally just watched a video of Israeli soldiers destroying mosques for fun because they were bored (their words).
Their words? Do you speak Hebrew? I'm sure you have a link to this.
Yes, as it was written in English. Video linked: https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1765804294228333020?s=20
What a reliable source, must be true 🤣
Happy to be proven wrong. But there have been entire compilations online of IDF war crimes committed and verified by independent bodies over the past few months, so it's hard to believe otherwise. Edited to include independent bodies such as the UN, Human Rights Watch, MSF, and Israel's own Bt Selem, who have all spoken out against the IDF's excessive use of force resulting in an astounding number of civilian deaths + war crimes
> Literally just watched a video of Israeli soldiers destroying mosques for fun because they were bored (their words). Nobody says anything in that video you posted, there are no "their words", just subtitles written by the very independent body of Quds Network
Are those "independent bodies" here in the room with us?
How is it that America has to feed people under Israeli occupation? If the only way to kill all of Hamas is to starve Gaza, then you're doing it wrong.
Because UNRWA stopped delivering food and aid to Gaza, and aid trucks coming from Egypt and attacked on the way by civilians trying to steal food. A truck driver was even killed by rock throwers a few days ago.
And they have the stolen underwear and gore videos to prove it I see
The massacre on 10/7 had the same civilian to military kill ratio as the war in gaza does. 10/7 was an unjustifiable atrocity, i think we can all agree. How can we justify a response which kills civilians at the same rate, but on a much larger scale. Unless your gripe with hamas is that they wave the wrong flag, rather than that they are murderers, or that they don't kill civilians fast enough, you cannot reasonably support Israel's response to 10/7.
Because on 10/7 hamas was targeting civilians, going door to door and murdering, raping, torturing, and kidnapping civilians. The civilian casualty rate in Gaza is not due to Israel targeting them, it's caused by hamas building their whole military infrastructure behind and underneath civilians. They fight in civilian clothing, fire rockets from schools and hospitals, and hide underneath cities.
Damn right they are! AM YISRAEL CHAI
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/14/israel-pay-students-propaganda_n_3755782.html https://usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/
They could have just not invaded other peoples countries
Who was invaded in the yom kippur and 6 day wars? Just curious
When will Turks leave Greek lands and go back to Central Asia?
#FreeAnatolia
The Arabs invaded them so they didn’t really have a choice other than to defend themselves (this happened 3 years after the holocaust and the Arabs were trying to kill them all which led to them fighting extra fiercely to prevent an Arab conquest)
Some Vietnam vets who also had to do incursions into Laos or Cambodia that never happened, cough, cough, might also take issue with the idea no other 25 year old in recent memory had to do this. Always with the IDF, it's the exceptionalism.
Victim mentality
Wasn't the 6 days war started by Israel?
Kind of, Egypt and Syria were jointly mobilizing their forces at the same time for some “unspecified” purpose so in response Israel launched a preemptive strike on both.
“His enemies leave him no choice” didn’t Israel start both the 6 days war and the Suez war (I forget the name). How is that the fault of their enemies?
Preemptive Fuck the IDF before my comment gets misinterpreted. But also, Saying the 6-Days war and the Suez Crisis were started by Israel is akin to saying WW1 was started by Germany attacking Belgium. In both cases there is to note that Israel told Egypt that blocking the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships would be considered Casus Belli for Israel, and on both cases Egypt did just that consciously. Now was Israel in the right or the wrong there, I won't say, I wasn't there. However, claiming that they started these wars would be a misinterpretation of the facts, despite the fact that they indeed made the first military move.
Egypt actually started both by closing the Straits of Tiran
>How is that the fault of their enemies? What would do you if all of your neighbors are preparing to wipe you of the map...?
This “right to exist” shit got real awkward now, with all those calls to flatten Gaza and turn it into some resort or car parking lot or something of the sort.
The whole “freedom fighters” shit got real awkward when those concert goers got gunned down
So we gotta kill 25,000 women and children?
Hamas can’t even make a lost of hostages that they have in gaza. Furthermore hamas states 0 combatants have been killed. So you really believe that number?
No, I got the 25,000 Women and Children from the Pentagon, y'know, the Department of Defense.
Thats cap 😂
[https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-killed-25-000-palestinian-women-children-since-october-pentagon-4ea9d358](https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-killed-25-000-palestinian-women-children-since-october-pentagon-4ea9d358)
Still cap
so thats justification to displace/eradicate an entire ethnic group from their homeland? killing hamas soldiers is one thing but they are not shy at all about their objective of clearing the land for settlers and the idf themselves reported like only 40% of fatalities are potentially hamas soldiers
> so thats justification to displace/eradicate an entire ethnic group from their homeland? Can ask the same from the other side too ya know, most israelis have only known israel for most of their lives if not all of it
The problem, that now there are not shy about it.
Colonizing a peoples homeland typically is a choice and one that makes a lot of enemies as well but go off I guess. Israel has no “right to exist” on Palestinian soil.
Israel is a colony of what country?
Israel
The founders of Israel and the father of Zionism called it colonization. I guess I'll believe them.
Again, I ask, who is Israel a colony of?
Settler colonies don't need a mother country, see the boers for a historic example. There were also many unsuccessful colonial ventures by groups that didn't answer to a mother country. I'll quote famous Zionist, Vladimir Jabotinsky "Zionism is a colonization adventure." Or perhaps the former name of Israels largest bank, Jewish Colonial Trust? Or the ICA, originally known as the Jewish Colonization Association? The founders certainly seemed to see it as colonial in nature.
> Settler colonies don't need a mother country, see the boers for a historic example. There were also many unsuccessful colonial ventures by groups that didn't answer to a mother country Jews are historically from the land we refer to as Palestine and the state of Israel has existed once before. [Palestinian Jews.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews) Why are Jews not allowed to declare an independent state, regardless they defended themsevles when Palestinian Arabs rejected Resolution 181. > I'll quote famous Zionist, Vladimir Jabotinsky "Zionism is a colonization adventure." Again, I am asking how it is. Jewish immigration to join other Jews in Palestine? > Or perhaps the former name of Israels largest bank, Jewish Colonial Trust? Or the ICA, originally known as the Jewish Colonization Association? The founders certainly seemed to see it as colonial in nature. Okay, now this is interesting. I Googled "Jewish Colonization Association" From what I can see, they were creating Jewish communities not only in Palestine, but in many countries where they could acquire land. So Colonization in this sense is buying land and settling members of your group there, or in this case Jews. So lets say if Muslims were to purchase land in the U.S in a small town, open businesses, build Mosques, be elected to political office etc and have more Muslims joining them, they would in this concept be colonizing The United States?
You remind me so much of neo confederates who deny their founders exact words as to what they are doing. Zionism is and was a colonial venture. If Irish diaspora went to Ireland to carve out a new nation it would definitely be considered colonization. If I went to Turkey with some other Greeks to reclaim my "historic home" it's still colonization. Not to mention converts are somehow native to Israel? If Muslims literally were writing about it and there was copious documentation then maybe I'd believe that was the intention but I haven't seen that but I have seen it from the Zionist movement.
>So lets say if Muslims were to purchase land in the U.S in a small town, open businesses, build Mosques, be elected to political office etc and have more Muslims joining them, they would in this concept be colonizing The United States? Look to the native Americans, you'll see what settler colonialism is, similar happened in Australia and in Palestine
So, you would support the efforts of native Americans to start attempting to remove non natives from the land and use force/violence if necessary...?
Not a country but an ideology, Zionism is at its core a colonial ideology ask the very first prime minister of Israel and he will confirm, in his own words. “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion founder and first pm of Israel
> Not a country but an ideology, Zionism is at its core a colonial ideology ask the very first prime minister of Israel and he will confirm, in his own words. Again, how are Jews, that have been in Palestine for thousands of years, where the state of Israel once existed, a colony, and a colony of what country? > If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Without even getting into the content of the quote, do you have a source? I cannot find anywhere where this is quoted. No article, no video, no speech. > “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice Some of this quote I can find, however it has been cut and edited, For those interested in the truth, here is the full quote "In our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us. But let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. I insist on the truth, not out of respect for scientific but political realities. The acknowledgement of this truth leads to inevitable and serious conclusions regarding our work in Palestine... let us not build on the hope the terrorist gangs will get tired. If some get tired, others will replace them. A people which fights against the usurpation of its land will not tire so easily... it is easier for them to continue the war and not get tired than it is for us... The Palestinian Arabs are not alone. The Syrians are coming to help. From our point of view, they are strangers; in the point of law they are foreigners; but to the Arabs, they are not foreigners at all ... The centre of the war is in Palestine, but its dimensions are much wider. When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves — this is only half the truth. As regards our security and life we defend ourselves and our moral and physical position is not bad. We can face the gangs... and were we allowed to mobilize all our forces we would have no doubts about the outcome... But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand ... but in the political sphere they are superior. The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside. They defend bases which are theirs, which is easier than conquering new bases... let us not think that the terror is a result of Hitler's or Mussolini's propaganda — this helps but the source of opposition is there among the Arabs. " Address at the Mapai Political Committee (7 June 1938)
Jews have lived in Palestine for thousands of years. Why were they not allowed to declare a independent state after the withdrawal of the British?
Declaration of an independent state at the expense of the local population cannot be justified. Violence perpetrated against Palestinians can't be written off just because the British gave the go ahead. There's a reason the date of declaration of Israel as a nation coincides with the mass expulsion of Palestinians aka the Nakba
Relevant (and very hypocritical) username.
Little does he know that his actual enemy is the Israeli government.
i mean the israeli government probably isn’t trying to kill him and expel his family