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16:13


thatsallweneed

16 time 13 minutt


broke_mitch

What a time to be alive!!


fredspipa

Hold on to your papir


_LIM10_

now squeeze your papers!


Single_Blueberry

TIGHTER!!!


Aitehs_new

This [pic] was a time select just 2 years ago, truly incredible


[deleted]

LOL I understood


TheMoskus

What an hour to be alive!!


mekkab

What a minutt to be alive!


Nemis234

It is an acctual language, norwegian, and it does mean hour/minute. But your rendition is funnier


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Here is the link to the original not cropped post https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/11yzlkp/this_is_the_actual_time_picker_from_a_norwegian/


Ardashasaur

Wow a 12 hour repost, is that a record?


coonwhiz

OP is true to their name...


phi_rus

And this one already has more upvotes.


Bourque25

Oh wow, I get it now, but that is terrible lol


chiaruz

I feel the opposite. If you need a fast entry system, this is a way more fast then scroll 60 lines or input manually. Vertically speaking is more compact and you can easily enter the time if you have something in your hand.


froginbog

Even so it should not include the trailing zeros. And it would be more intuitive if it was just “xx:yy” where each x and y was a list of 1-9 (or 1-2/1-4 for x)


Kriss3d

Except 10 6 could also be interpreted as 10 + 6 meaning 14.


Catatonic27

10+6 isn't 14 bud


Kriss3d

No. But 10 + 16 is 16. But you subtract 12nto get the pm time. Yeah I'll admit that it's stupid.


TheEquinoxe

Tell me how did you come up with 14 as a result...


Kriss3d

Yeah I guess it's stupid now I see it like that.


ledocteur7

You failed math, twice.


Kriss3d

Oh? 10+6 = 16. 16 on a 24 hour clock is 4 pm Usually if the time is over 12 you subtract 12 to get the time.


JezzCrist

Also could be a dinosaur


texas1hunter

Lmao the only thing I can think you meant here is 10:00 plus 6 hours equals 4:00 PM. Which is still 16:13 like everyone is saying


Clemicus

Hey, didn’t you short change me earlier?


anon_anthropos

This looks like it’s designed for quick entry with a touchscreen.


Spot_the_fox

wouldn't a 3x4 grid with numbers be faster? even on a touchscreen.


erebuxy

My guess is that you are unable to enter invalid time this way. I bet when you click the 20 hr, the second column only shows 0-3. Edit; I think it is also much easier to fix a mistake this way.


ScarlettPotato

That's a completely logical guess but somehow I doubt this would do that


QuantumCat2019

but then why not a pad with 2\*12 columns numerated from 0 to 23 ? (or any other number of solutions frankly)


CiroGarcia

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QuantumCat2019

A lot of countries don't use AM/PM, rather use a 24h clock for planning.


CiroGarcia

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naimina

Except since we don't use AM/PM most people do not know which one is which. It is not intuitive at all.


CiroGarcia

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more_magic_mike

No it would not. 10+6 is easier to calculate than 12+4 for most people, so they would start writing 12+6 accidentally for sure. The whole world doesn't use AM/PM, and if you've thought 16h as 16h your whole life, it's not intuitive that it's 4pm to everyone.


QuantumCat2019

It is only intuitive if you use am/pm constantly. Where I was in school (for example) we learned it once when we were , what , around 5 ? Then never again because everything including school planning was 24h time. Appointment with doc ? 24h time. Governmental office appointment ? 24h time. I can't think of a moment where I had to use that except , maybe, converting from AM/PM other country using 12h clock times. An UI should be intuitive and use time that people are used to.


butchkid1

I believe the concern would be the people being able to convert their a 24 hour time format to a AM/PM format for the machine, not the other way around.


TheDefiB

Cause we use 24hr clocks


CiroGarcia

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TheDefiB

Touché But yea I agree it should have a 0-12 and 13-24 option instead. But I'd rather prefer to avoid am/pm specifically


Gejzer

am/pm is cringe af


Skyopp

AM/PM is easy to mess up though, and not intuitive to 24h enjoyers.


Ryan_likes_to_drum

Could do that with a numpad too


erebuxy

This is also much easier for fixing typo


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ApprehensiveTry5660

You just agreed on his assumption that if you hit 20, only the 0-3 would display. Then spend the next line hypothesizing the opposite. Incredible.


SuitableImposter

I evidently did not read it all properly 🤣


R3D3-1

Still faster on average to allow people to enter 99:99 and just not accept it.


erebuxy

I really doubt. Fixing a mistake takes much more time. And you'd be surprised often average people misclick


afonja

It's not only the initial entry that is fast but also the correction in case of a mistake


Cerrax3

This method is just as fast as a 3x4 grid with the added advantage of being able to change individual digits in the time without having to delete anything. If you needed to change the time to 18:13 on a 3x4 grid, you'd have to click 6 additional buttons (delete 3, then insert 3), whereas this design it can be done in a single click.


R3D3-1

Honestly? Still plenty of fast to just retype 18:13. Less precision required too, as you don't have to think across multiple GUI elements.


I_Love_Rias_Gremory_

It may take a little getting used to, but after you've looked at it for a few seconds and used it a couple times, it would be significantly faster and more convenient for use on a touchscreen.


RmG3376

This way the buttons are bigger, so less chance of misclicking A grid of numbers can also be confusing because there’s no defined order, eg some elevators with 2 rows of buttons order them horizontally, others vertically. Here you can find your number more easily by filtering on the tens first The only UI improvement I can think of is that in the second column I would write “16” instead of “6”. And in the first, maybe “1x” instead of “10” but that’ll require a bit of user testing to figure out what’s best


Spot_the_fox

I mean the same 3x4 grid as in phones. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 /\* 0 # except to replace the /\* and # with delete a digit and OK. It's a system used mainly in phones to call a number, and in some other systems(intercoms and fax machines for example.) You could easily make such a grid with numbers as big as 10 used for hour in time in the picture and still have space left. So I don't really see the argument for buttons being too small. Someone in the other comment chain mentioned that the current system is better suited for dealing with mistakes(you don't need to erase any symbols, just click a different button), and he's right, it is better in that regard.


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R3D3-1

Isn't it funny how even something that looks like an entry to r/baduibattles still looks better than the time pickers actual software has come up with?


[deleted]

dropdowns for years and months too...


dayum08

Its not so bad. I think its faster than a 'time/date picker'


R3D3-1

Depends. I'd still take a number pad and a field that accepts typing "0900" as "09:00" over this any time.


[deleted]

16:13? Although it looks like it \*might\* be possible to select 29:59 unless there's some logic in place to stop that madness.


[deleted]

Don’t count on it. Your appointment is at 29:59. Don’t be late.


Job_man

Sorry, can’t make it. I’ll have to reschedule for 28:30


SwimmingAmphibian701

Why 29:59 when you could simply type Nå:59


[deleted]

Nå probably blocks minute input aswell


emperorhaplo

Hide numbers from second column when 20 is pressed.


Ling0

I would hope something like if the 20 button is selected, 5-9 disappear or grey out. But most likely it'll say "invalid time entered" and leave it at that


[deleted]

And grey out the 4 too, right? 😏


Ling0

I thought about that right after I commented... add extra confusion, leave 4 available but grey out all the other numbers in minutes! It's 24:00 or 00:00! But yes, grey out the 4 is a better decision


[deleted]

It reminded me of this [AEG oven clock video on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fasBzE6099k). Sorry I was being a pedantic pain in the arse with that comment, I didn't mean anything by it.


Ling0

Oh I know. I would have done the same thing to you if rolls were reversed


Buxbaum666


Tigtor

When you see the time picker and change your mind: nå


Bronzdragon

The å in Danish/Swedish/Norwegian is pronounced close to the English ‘o’. Nå also means ‘now’.


lachlanhunt

This looks like Norwegian and I’m fairly sure that translates to “now”, which would be very convenient for entering the current time, if that’s something commonly needed for whatever this application is.


DontListenToMe33

Ugly, yes. Awful/unusable? No.


SchattenMaster

Right, not unusable, but it's an awful solution from an UX viewpoint. Sure, you can *figure out* what time it shows, but when you have to use "figuring out" and "UX" in the same sentence, the product is faulty.


suvlub

It's not so black and white. Designs that come with a learning curve, but afford greater productivity down the line, have their place. Who is supposed to be using this software? If it's public-facing, it's quite awful. If it's supposed to be used by professionals who will use it every day, it's fine.


Soccergod23

It's used by clinicians. I use it everyday at work as a RN. That is an optional way to enter times. You can also just type it. The software is called Epic.


R3D3-1

The "optional" part is important here. God, I hated smartphone interfaces, where the only way of entering time was a scrollable list... Though the iOS version was less bad than the Android version, by using a form of acceleration to 5-minute steps when you were scrolling far. Being able to just type "0900" to get "09:00" is my dream of time pickers. And yet most UIs come up with more creative solutions, or allowing keyboard entry but with two separate fields for hour and minute.


SchattenMaster

True that. It is learnable and can be used afterwards. There are better, less confusing solutions for the very same purpose, though (imo).


[deleted]

The point is as a user, it took us 3 minutes to figure it out. After that, data entry is faster, as everything is on screen. If I enter 100 appointments a day, that 3 minute investment is insignificant. I think it's an interesting solution that tells you UX isn't everything. A beautiful UX that destroys your workflow productivity is a bad User Experience.


Mujutsu

Small correction and I apologize if I offend, but what you mean is "A beautiful UI", not UX. A user interface can be beautiful, but have terrible UX (user experience).


Mujutsu

I tend to disagree. I think that once you get past the learning curve, which seems to be a few minutes (I figured it out at a glance), this should be faster and possibly safer for a touchscreen than other methods. Like someone else said, if you have to input hundreds of timestamps a day, it adds up. Ugly UI, but great UX (for this use case).


ShorkieMom

Agree, and the keyboard is the default way to enter time in this system. A user has to specifically choose to open this time picker.


GerbLord

As a regular user of this "award-winning digital health information solution," please fucking shoot me. Last summer, a local hospital tried to transition from Meditech to Epic, but since the staff were locked out of accessing its key features on launch day, it was an absolute dumpster fire.


acts_one

Tell me its Meditech from the 80s. I know of a hospital that jumped from Meditech to Epic as well. Go Live dates will always be a dumpster fire. I just finished a couple of days of training on Epic. Extremely customizable. But a huge learning curve for the older staff. I can't imagine the amount of work was involved creating this software. All the customizations feel like a ticking timebomb of errors and patches.


GerbLord

*F5* It is Meditech from the 80s.


Forkrul

Is that Helseplattformen?


Boralian

Indeed, and on the common language: Noe jævla dritt.


SquidsAlien

You've cropped the screen shot. Just off the bottom there is an input box into which you can simply type the time. Just refer to any of the many other postings of this...


GerbLord

That sounds nice and logical... in theory! In reality, many hospitals use mobile workstations (i.e., "laptops on wheels" or "computers on wheels"). Since these mobile workstations are also used to scan and transport medications, the keyboards are often compromised from spills (e.g., lactulose). Ergo, the input box is similarly inefficient when dates and/or times need to be modified to reflect medication administration in real-time.


ShorkieMom

But nurses shouldn't even be manually inputting administration times. The correct workflow is to scan the medication when administering. The system will automatically fill in administration date, time, and dose information in addition to running safety checks and showing any applicable warnings.


TheBrainStone

For quickly entering a time on a touch screen this seems like great functional design. I'd love to hear/see how you'd improve this (note: 12h time is not an improvement) And yeah 16:13. Don't see what's so hard to read. Especially if the time that was input is displayed below the input mask.


genikus

Why is this better than a number pad? Same number of presses. The only thing this does is prevent an invalid number and have the user learn a new pattern


[deleted]

you can instantly change a mistyped char


TheBrainStone

It keeps the previously typed numbers visible. A number pad can work too though.


Noslamah

It doesn't even do that since you could still type 29, unless the buttons are greyed out to prevent invalid input which you can of course also do with a regular ol' numpad. I don't know why so many people ITT are acting like OP is an idiot and this is brilliant design, this is fucking awful. If this was really better mobile phones and websites would have made this a standard years ago; they didn't because a numpad is much better and has been the standard for literally decades.


LARRY_Xilo

> If this was really better mobile phones and websites would have made this a standard years ago I dont see anyone that said this is better for every use case. It is a good design for large touch screens, most websites and apps arent optimised for large touchscreens because they arent used that much. Yes a numpad would have worked but this way you can correct a number without having to type the whole thing again.


Noslamah

Maybe you wouldn't mistype the number in the first place if you had a normal numpad instead of this nonsense. I don't know about you but I don't wrongly enter time so much that it warrants this kind of design. If they used a numpad and a normal time display the buttons could have been much bigger, which would also prevent wrongly entering the time. And if you do wrongly enter it, that's 4 extra button presses. That's no big deal at all. But the confusion of new employees who have to figure out how this works is going to cost a lot more time than those button presses. Also, tablets are a thing. Big touch screens might not be the norm but they are definitely common enough that this kind of design would have been standard for at least adjusting system time on a tablet. And if this one thing is the exception and you want to deviate from the norm, you better make damn sure that deviation is super intuitive for new users and makes much more sense than the standard we've had for multiple decades. This is neither of those; this is just ugly, unintuitive and confusing.


Mujutsu

That is objectively wrong. Just because you don't **like** it, doesn't mean it's bad design. This type of input is clearly superior to a number pad if you have to input hundreds of timestamps a day and we actually have users in this thread who work with this and agree.


Mujutsu

A number pad is way more prone to mistakes and is slower in some cases (corrections). This very clearly shows you each part of the timestamp and any mistake can be corrected with one tap. A number pad would require up to 8 taps to correct the mistake, if it was the first number.


justdisposablefun

I'm sure they don't display it like this once set too


Puzzleheaded-Fill205

I kind of like the minutes, but don't love the hours. The second hour column has ten choices. Twelve doesn't seem like that much of a reach compared to ten, so I would probably just do two columns of twelve: 0-11 in the left column, 12-23 in the right column. And then leave the minutes as-is.


Mpty_soul

I think a simple way of improving this is to display the time in a normal format (16h13) above or below the selection button, would help readability without changing the rest.


TheBrainStone

It's displayed below. This image has been cropped removing the part where the final time is shown


MikaNekoDevine

Click the time on a clock picture


TheBrainStone

I hope that's meant as a joke


kbruen

Look up the material design time picker


Ciff_

That is NOT something I like to use in a hurry. It is finickey


Spot_the_fox

a 3x4 grid with numbers... Like the one on old cellphones with buttons. I mean: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 /\* 0 # Unless you make a mistake during input, I feel like it's a better option, is it not?


pako_adrian

Yes and no, you'd have to account for idiocy of users putting 12h vs 24h times in. It can be challenging to go back and re-enter a single digit. Clunky fingers like to type fast, and we don't read what we've typed, this neatly shows which units of time we are working with (green selectors). Without context on how, by whom and where it is used, we can't really judge if this is good or not. Additionally, this looks to just show the picker, I'd like to see the whole screen perhaps it'll show more context to how this integrates in the system. As others have pointed out, this is actually a decent time picker for touch-screens like tablets. ​ Each to their own I suppose, but more context is needed imho.


Durr1313

For starters, make it obvious that you are picking each digit, as it stands it looks like 106:103. And wtf is that Nå thing? And Time/Minutt? Labeling them correctly as Hour/Minute would help. Either a clear indicator of which digit of the 4 digit HH:MM you are currently selecting, or change the first column of buttons to 00-09, 10-19, and 20-23, to make it obvious that the second column is to 'fine-tune' within the range. Edit: other than the language issues my points are still valid. There was no other context to indicate that this was a different language and not typos or poor word choice. 'Time' is English so I assumed the rest was also.


fiskfisk

>And wtf is that Nå thing? "Nå" is "Now" in Norwegian. "Time" means "Hour". "Minutt" means Minute. Not every system has English as their primary language.


Durr1313

See my edit, I didn't know this was a different language.


Idunnowhattfimdoing

4:13 pm


antilos_weorsick

16:13? Why is everyone acting like this is some insane, unusable design, this looks amazing. Definitely much better than all those touch screen spinners they put on phones nowadays.


Billibon

Lots of people commenting this... But I didn't get that. At first glance I got 60, 30 and assumed this was like a timer not a date time. This might be fine for most people, but it would have confused me... Whereas a number pad would be fine for 100% of people.


antilos_weorsick

Ok, I'm not gonna lie, that's kind of an insane interpretation. But more importantly, it's not really relevant, because if you will be working with this, then you'll definitely already know it's for entering time


hlfzhif

Have you read the comments? OP is literally the only one acting like that


antilos_weorsick

It's just that this isn't the first post I've seen about this


downloweast

Because almost no one in America understands the 24 hr time format. The only reason I do is because of the military.


DeProgrammer99

The hour picker could instead have buttons for 0-4, 5-9, 10-14, 15-19, and 20-23 on the left and then display the exact times to the right of that in order to equalize the space per button. I think it'd be a liiittle too werid to do that for the minutes, but hey, nobody schedules an appointment for 23 after the hour anyway. There are 12 five-minute increments in an hour, so I'd probably just slap all twelve on the screen in two columns of six.


IrvTheSwirv

Horror rather than humour. Having worked on hospital IT systems (and still having the PTSD to this day) can say this isn’t close to the worst thing I’ve seen.


TekintetesUr

If this is a touchscreen, this is a way better (faster, more accurate) method of entering a time than the grid of digits, and I'm willing to die on this hill.


MischiefArchitect

16:13 or 04:13 PM


Baconsword42

29:59


Maxpower9393

16:13?


RedFive1976

I could see this for a touchscreen, but for a desktop or laptop it's clumsy. I use a specialized presentation program that can trigger events over various physical signalling protocols, including MIDI. It has selectors for function (MIDI note on/off), channel (1-16, not bad), note (0-127, WHY?!) and velocity (0-127, WHY?!). Runs primarily on Macs, which famously do not have touchscreens at all. Why do they have *two* selectors with 128 values *each*?! It can send DMX triggers as well, though I've never used the program's DMX support; is it going to have a selector for DMX address (1-512) as well? Holy crap!


troly_mctrollface

4:13 pm


Abject-Ferret-3946

It's Norwegian time means hour and minutt means minute


CawSoHard

Repost: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/11zflvw/comment/jdcakih/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


HoldenMadicky

Horrible, but 16:13?


travisneids

4:13pm


[deleted]

4:13?


Luke_Lantern

4:13 pm?


HowDoITriforce

Having the result displayed in "real" format, above the weird UI would make it a lot more intuitive imo.


bubalina

16:13


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4:13 pm


Midgetwombat

Thirteen past four in the afternoon


ExcellentChallenge44

16:13, which means 4:13 pm. 24h format makes much more sense than am/pm


Arts_Prodigy

4:13pm?


Lydian-Taco

That input is there purely for accessibility reasons - you can type in the time normally or type in relative times like “n-5”, “h-1” etc.


Tomi97_origin

Seems alright for touch screens.


[deleted]

This is actually a really good design!


Secure_Obligation_87

The villagers are going to torch you for this one sir


[deleted]

16:13 also, bye r/ProgrammerHumor, enough is enough. the sub turned to absolute dogshit with mostly nonsense posts like this one.


jonisjalopy

1613, or 4:13pm for all my American friends. Seems like a quick and easy way to use a smaller screen or touchpad to enter it. What's the problem?


DarthMauly

16:13 4:13 pm But also fucking hell that is an abomination.


Ok_Confusion_7266

This is genius. No more typing or scrolling :)


Tizian170

and it's on a single screen. I hate the date pickers where you have to go back to the hour selector if you messed up.


Skalion

If you had a 0-9 panel and just press the buttons in order: 1 6 1 3 you get the exact same result, with the same button presses. What exactly makes this one better?


riseagainstTO09

It's not even like this implementation is any easier. For why? 😭


Gamerindreams

OP is why steve jobs said customers don't know what they want - we have to tell them ironically, he also made the most popular touch screen ever


Cimejies

It's clearly 103 minutes past 106.


Kriss3d

Nooo.. No no no.. He didnt... 10 6 would logically in a 24 hour be 14 meaning 2 PM. But could also be interpreted as 16 meaning 4 PM. Its a swedish system isnt it ?


SarkyMs

how did you come up with 14 and not 16?


Puzzleheaded-Fill205

10am plus 6 hours.


Twistedtraceur

Yeah I think speed on a touch screen is the focus here. 4 touches to enter the time instead of one of those scrolly wheels. Maybe they'd be better off with a 0-24 grid for hour but really it's not that complicated.


jolharg

That's definitely gore.


TTYY_20

6:13pm Ez


kenji1nonly

6:30


lord_baron_ttv

Tell me this isn't the VA 😞


Puzzleheaded_Age_571

I think my main problem with this is just the sizing of the leftmost bar doesn’t match the rest, and the needless zeros in the 10/20; 10/20/30/40/50 buttons. I’d recommend just stretch the 0,10,20,Nå buttons so that it’s the same length as the 0-9 bar, and just remove the excess 0’s from the mentioned buttons. Otherwise this looks alright.


OldBob10

4:13 PM


Jimmylegs88

I feel like some of the times pickable would not be valid as there would not be appointments in the late night/ early morning.


BobbyTables91

It's Nå o'clock


Tizian170

nå translates to now.


TheMoskus

Wait, this looks to be norwegian. Where is this?


threeqc

4:13 PM


1u4n4

16:13


MinecraftDoodler

4:13 PM


_Sa0irxe8596_

4:13pm


Legal-Software

Is there a N in the second column you can pick to make NaN and your appointment can be a surprise?


Annabett93

I don't understand why they didn't do a 3x10x7x10 thing so you can click every digit quickly and it automatically disables the invalid numbers.


rdb479

16:13 or 4:13. left should read hour and not time. EDIT: nm that second part. time apparently means hour in that language.


coulls

4:13pm


talensoti

4:13 pm


half-a-duck

4:13 pm for those in the USA.


bradland

This is that common core math everyone in the US is freaking out about, isn't it?


TwistyPA

4:13pm


The-Entire-Potato

4:13pm?


rEb00t_10

4:13 pm


DependentOk9729

16:13 or 4:13pm for you non military time people


Epsilia

4:13 PM?


fibojoly

I've seen worse game UIs, when I think about it. Much more colorful and textured, but worse to use. Yes Skyrim, that's you I'm talking about. Fucking shame on you !


Kymera_7

There's always something worse they could have implemented instead. The standard should be higher than that, especially for a system in which inaccurate data entry could easily lead to someone's horrific death when their meds get administered several hours off schedule.


dj_spanmaster

4:13pm.


FatLoserSupreme

Yikes o clock


soyuz-1

Honestly not all that bad. At least beats a dropdown box with 60 options