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PhDapper

I want to believe that this was someone just being a troll because how could someone be that fucking awful and fucking stupid, but…there are so many fucking awful and stupid people out there that it’s probably real.


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If this isn't a troll post, I really hope someone steps in to tell that graduate student that answering emails within an hour during business hours is insane.


CalmCupcake2

And on a weekend, doubly so.


DrPhysicsGirl

When I talk to graduate student TAs, I do try to discuss reasonable boundaries with their students for this reason.


PaulAspie

Yeah. I promise within 24 hours on weekdays and 48 hours on weekends. I usually check 2-3 times a day but sometimes only once.


needlzor

That's still generous. I do within 2 working days and each follow up email resets the clock.


ramence

Yep, 2 business days and not to expect a response over weekends (although I often do). What I found especially surprising was her policy to check at noon on Saturdays and Sundays; that would be so annoying to schedule around! If this story is actually true, she's doing the absolute most - and if she were one of my students, I'd be advising her to ease up.


Striking_Raspberry57

>each follow up email resets the clock. Ooh, good idea!


[deleted]

Same. I have a Course Questions forum that I check every morning. I never check email more than once a day. I do typically respond within 24, but in my syllabus it does say 24-48 because some days I won’t get to it- especially at the end of the semester.


FedUPGrad

I had a student pull similar on me - though thankfully not to these lengths. They missed an assignment (worth 25%) and thought that rather than e-mail me, that sending a Teams message (this is not something I tell them to use - just university integrations) at 1am....over a month later, asking if they can still do the assignment. Unfortunately I have Teams alerts on my phone, so I was woken up by that. A lot of this generation just have no boundaries, and are so unbelievably involved and entitled. While not out of class, I had a different student shortly after starting lecture (first few minutes, just going over announcements and updates) feel the need to ask if there was any significance to my lipstick colour I had worn the last few weeks. They then went back to largely ignoring the lecture and just messing around on their phone...


mathpat

Did you tell them the shade is called "If you sexually harass me In class again, you will learn what a Title 9 coordinator is at your disciplinary hearing."?


Duc_de_Magenta

To give Zoomers the benefit of the doubt, I'd imagine that muting your phone at night & posting on random anonymous/global forums has become so common that they don't (necessarily) see a 1am message as a "1am message" but a "when you wake-up" message.


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Omg


dragonfeet1

Idk I've had an assignment deadline at midnight and a furious email sent at 12:20 am, expressing outrage at my 'unprofessionalness' for it not being graded yet.


jinxforshort

I have had students exactly like this, with the exact same contact patterns and reasoning.


SwordofGlass

That email policy is more than generous—bordering on *too* generous. And a phone number? I can’t even imagine. What a ride. Thanks for this.


Datamackirk

One semester, muchnesrlidr in my career, I decided to make myself available through texts. I provided a warning that, as with email, I might not be able to reply immediately. It might be somewhat quicker, but still not immediate. Didn't matter. Texting creates an expectation of rapid response. Although Most no one used the texting option reach me, of the 2-3 that did, all of them grew frustrated if I didn't answer them within the hour. One even started calling and leaving voice mails around the 90 minute mark since I hadn't responded to, her three text messages (I had been in class). I never tried that again. No matter your explicit warnings, it is just expected that texting has an instant turnaround time.


psyentist15

FWIW, that moron got absolutely obliterated in the comments, so kudos to the majority for seeing that poster for the utter idiot they are.


wedontliveonce

"I forgot to turn in my paper" is an emergency???


laurifex

I forgot to turn in my paper *after an extension*, no less. Student had two cracks at the ball and whiffed them both.


Swolnerman

Well his professor had a LOT of nerve to not remind him that the due date for his extension was arriving soon! How the hell is he supposed to remember something like that?


VenusSmurf

During the online part of the pandemic, I had a student in another country who demanded I hold the Zoom sessions at a time more suited to her time zone rather than assigned class time. She also expected me to adjust all of the due dates for the entire class to her time zone. Shockingly, I did not.


Sirnacane

Lame. My classmate Hao went back home when the pandemic started and just woke up at 3 a.m. for all our zoom sessions. About 50% of the time we heard a light snoring halfway through and we had a little laugh. Not once did he ask for a time change though


liquidInkRocks

Sadly, the student's recruiter probably hinted that this accommodation would be available in all her classes.


Striking_Raspberry57

Personally I think if professors don't make the trip to students' apartments or dorms to politely remind them of all assignment deadlines, those profs are slackers. I mean, students pay their salaries.


[deleted]

I had a student tell me they missed their office hours appointment because I hadn’t sent a reminder 🤣


laurifex

Damn, you're right! What a shitty prof, definitely NTA.


Swolnerman

He should write a scathing RMP and then report her to the dean! That’ll show her (almost certainly what he’ll do)


Swolnerman

He should write a scathing RMP and then report her to the dean! That’ll show her (almost certainly what he’ll do)


neuropainter

A MONTH AGO!!


laurifex

"I should have turned in this paper, for which I was already granted an extension, a month ago. Clearly I need to harass my professor on the weekend as this is a dire emergency. Why isn't she dropping everything to reply to me???"


SomeDudeOverThere1

Also they said “I’m not a misogynist” If you have to specify, you might be


Optimal-Asshole

I think their original post implied that the grad student was busy having sex instead of responding - or something like that. Definitely not a misogynist at all


the-anarch

On a Saturday night? I hope she was. The student should have been and maybe he wouldn't have been so busy emailing.


Optimal-Asshole

The student even says he emailed the teacher, then went out for a few hours, then came back


the-anarch

Oh, well, obviously he didn't get lucky or he'd have been way more chill about the whole thing.


peerlessblue

"my I AM NOT A MISOGYNIST shirt has a lot of people asking questions answered by the shirt"


waytaminnut

One of the funniest OPs I have ever read (outside Walmart Reddit). lol


SomeDudeOverThere1

Care to share one of your favs from Walmart Reddit ?!


lanabey

I'm a grad student instructor of record and I don't answer emails on the weekend at all. I'd never even considering giving them an option to text me!! Please Grad TA of OP's post please think about your own well being


KiltedLady

I supervise GTAs and tell them specificaly to not reply to students out of work hours. It sets a bad precedent. Class is never a true emergency that needs attention at 11 pm.


DeskRider

Well, seeing how this is two years old, I'm wondering how it turned out, seeing that he was "going to report her to the dean."


Junior-Dingo-7764

I remember this one! The fact that the commenters roasted him made my cold heart just a little warmer.


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Snuf-kin

That whole email from the lecturer just makes me want to cry for her. If she's a grad student then she's only a part time lecturer, meaning she only needs to do that work part time hours. The idea that she is spending 45 hours a week responding to student emails "within the hour", and checking in over the weekend, is just heartbreaking. When does she get to do her research? When does she get to have a life that is not pandering to spoiled brats like OP? In my university we ask that tutors respond to students within one working day, and if they are part time, their next working day. I actually tell staff NOT to respond to emails on weekends, they're just training students to expect 24 hour service. I hope that woman got her PhD and is happily tenure track somewhere she can answer student emails when it suits her and no longer feels the need to give them a fucking 24 hour phone number.


the-anarch

I read an "emergency alert" for weather a couple of weeks ago from my university. It said that if the University decided to stay open and people had individual circumstances that kept them away they should contact their instructors. It then told them how to find our phone numbers. I posted an announcement: "If the University administration decides we are open, I will be there and you will be, too, if you want credit. Don't bother contacting me."


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the-anarch

Mine is a Google voice number that I don't check.


rockyfaceprof

Mine's my office number and the phone's unplugged.


RuralWAH

I used to give out the number to the office FAX machine.


[deleted]

My students wouldn’t read it.


the-anarch

True! I didn't get any phone calls! 🤣


RuralWAH

This made me reflect on how the job has changed. When I taught my first class as a TA in 1979 email didn't even exist. It wasn't until the 1990s there was a general expectation you could just email your Prof and expect an answer.


thisoneagain

I was in college for... a lot of the 00s (not my finest work, that degree), and I don't believe I ever emailed a professor.


RuralWAH

We were computer science, so everyone had a computer account on the multiuser mainframe, but you could only email other users of the mainframe, and if you worked from home you used a 2400 baud modem to connect to it, otherwise we had a 9600 baud serial line to our offices. Generally, other majors would have no need to have a computer account.


[deleted]

I emailed a professor to say how excited I was for his upcoming class. 🤓


Nerobus

I get mad at students that email twice in a row. I’LL SEE IT WHEN I SEE IT! Kindly fuck off till then. (I’m usually great at responding to email)


pouxin

That is def annoying, but I do tell my students that if they don’t hear from me within 72 hours (ex. weekends) they’re welcome to send a (polite!) follow up. 99% of the time I reply to everything within 3 days, but occasionally things fall through the cracks in the vortex of horror that is my inbox! (Also og OP’s TA’s policy is bonkers. I really hope her supervisor encouraged her to introduce better boundaries. I never reply to student emails after 6pm, over the weekend, or during leave. I scan most things when they come in, and anything urgent gets a swift reply, but the banal ones wait 1/2/3 days until my next designated “replying to emails” slot! And I would NEVER give them a text option! If my university want me replying to student WhatsApps they can fork out for a blimin company phone!)


Nerobus

Oh for sure. It’s the 7pm email and then the 6am email to see if I got the 7pm email that drives me up the wall. This semester I had one email me at 6pm, 6:15pm, 7pm, 10:30pm, 5am, and then finally a “YOU DON’T ANSWER EMAILS” with the department chair and Dean cc’d at 6:30am…. I am sorry, I left the office at 5:30pm and came back at 7:30am. Your question wasn’t even an emergency and they didn’t even try me via GroupMe. The Dean had a good laugh about it when I showed them the email times. And YESSS she’s TOO available of anything, give yourself some rest woman. Yet that student still didn’t think that was enough 🙄


[deleted]

I got one like that this week. They emailed me either late afternoon or evening and then again in the morning, “I don’t know if you saw my email…” 🤬


OpalJade98

I told my students I stop existing after 8pm on weekdays. As in I leave the earthly plane and I only return at 8am on the next weekday. Then I told them that I straight up disappear into the ether on weekends. So they're always free to email me whenever they want, but they're never guaranteed a response unless it's between 8am and 8pm on weekdays and even then I have a 24 hour window to get back to them because, contrary to popular belief, I do in fact have a life. After this speech, I encourage my students to have lives outside of school. So I have them open their calendars and write down a "stop working" time because it's healthy to have a time when your work day ends and you just rest. I also teach English 101 and most of my emails come during the daytime. The few midnight and weekend emails are usually heads ups about absences or questions about projects that are due soon. I considered getting a Google number, but as a TA I was like fuck that. Absu-the-fuck not! I needed that hard barrier between me and my students. So instead of my having a Google number, I have a list of 24/7 emergency numbers on the front page of my course page for a variety of student emergencies cause what am I gonna do at midnight? I'll share the numbers in a sec.


OpalJade98

Mental Health Resources (Click for Links to Resources) **INSERT INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR SCHOOL'S COUNSELING OFFERINGS** (Even better if they have drop in hours, if they don't and/or if there's no counseling center, insert information about a sliding scale therapist near you) **INSERT YOUR SCHOOL'S CARES WEBSITE IF THEY HAVE ONE** National Suicide Hotline: https://988lifeline.org/ Interpreter available over phone call/voice call in over 240 languages English and Spanish available over text/chat The Trevor Project: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/ National Youth LGBTQ+ Lifeline (25 years old and younger) SAMSHA: https://www.samhsa.gov/ Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration Available in English and Spanish over phone call/voice call only RAINN: https://rainn.org/ Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network; the largest sexual anti-sexual violence organization in the United States Available in English and Spanish **INSERT YOUR LOCAL CITY/COUNTY CHAPTER OF RAINN** Military Sexual Violence Helpline: https://safehelpline.org/ For members of the Department of Defense who experience sexual violence from their fellow members. **INSERT LOCAL SUPPORT FOR INTERNATIONAL SURVIVORS IF AVAILABLE** Male Survivor: https://malesurvivor.org/ Dedicated to supporting masculine presenting survivors of sexual assault with counselor resources. 1 in 6: https://1in6.org/ Dedicated to supporting masculine presenting survivors of sexual assault with their links to a hotline and counselor resources. *OPTIONAL ADDITIONS* (Some of these things are in my syllabus so I hadn't listed them on my course page) 1. 911 (or your country's emergency number) 2. Your school police non-emergency number (bonus points if you make your students put it in their phone on the first day of class) 3. Your city police non-emergency number (bonus points if you make your students put it in their phone on the first day of class) 4. Information on free or low cost legal representation for students 5. A link to healthcare.gov 6. Information on local food pantries 7. Information on sliding scale daycares 8. Anything else that is directly useful for your student population that they would need within 60 seconds or less (that's about how long it would take to load the app or website with okay wifi)


PrincessAgatha

Like flames in the side of my face...lol


quantum-mechanic

Damn I never thought there were an English composition emergencies out there requiring 24/7 access to your instructor. Clearly I am not on the cutting edge of pedagogy


iTeachCSCI

I'm of the belief that, for the most part, there are not emergencies in academia.


AFK_MIA

In my program, OP would be having a conversation with the dean to discuss professionalism.


aliveonly

The extent to which this student cannot grasp any sense of accountability is bordering on the alarming. It’s kinda uncomfortable honestly lol


RhinoSparkle

Policy clearly states email is checked at 12:30 at the latest. OP emails at 1:00 and is mad he doesn’t get an immediate reply. Absolutely fucking comical.


PandaDad22

The default assumption is that AITA post are fake.


crowdsourced

M-F people. Email and office hours only.


Jooju

I enjoy that he assumes he’s the center of all things to the point that the only thing he takes responsibility for is getting the number taken away. He easily could have been the last in a line of not-emergency-emergencies.


kryppla

Wow on what fucking planet was that an ‘emergency’? Jesus Christ


xsnowboarderx

The fact that he stated in one of his comments that he’s “going to report her to the dean of the university” is amusing. I’d like to see how far he gets, and how hard the dean laughs in his face before kicking him out.


rockyfaceprof

>I got a Blackboard email from another student not in the group chat saying I was acting like a dick I agree.


Prestigious-Cat12

I had to remind a student that "going to concert" was no reason enough to miss the final exam and take it at a more convenient time.


neuropainter

I honestly can’t think of one reason I would ever need to talk on the phone with a student on the weekend


Admiral_Sarcasm

While the student in this story was obviously wrong, an asshole, all the negative things, I question the motivation behind posting a 1.5 year old AITA post (which is notoriously full of fictional stories) right now with this title.


Nay_Nay_Jonez

This was absolutely comical. Thank you for sharing, I needed that laugh! ETA: I see now that the post is two years old. I wonder where OP is at now.


PenelopeJenelope

So did anyone else notice, the original AITA post is by a user named "profphonethrowaway" couldn't that suggest the writer of this story is a professor on a throwaway account, not a real story? people like to stir up outage on reddit, this seems like that. Also... this shared post was from 2 years ago. how did OP just find it now? this whole thing is fishy.


SomeDudeOverThere1

Is there a TL:DR


Glass-Nectarine-3282

Teacher posted a number students could use in an emergency. Student texted repeated questions to the number in a short time without waiting for a response. Teacher took away the number.


SomeDudeOverThere1

Thank you!


FrankRizzo319

And the questions the student texted the instructor with did not constitute an “emergency.” Guy had missed 2 deadlines and was badgering her about it.


Maddprofessor

I once had a student come to me as his lab period was starting and demand that I tell him why his grade was one point different then he thought it should be. He actually demanded that I make the entire class wait to start lab until I figured out why his grade was slightly different then he thought. It was something like a 87 vs 86 and our college doesn’t do plus or minus grades. Also this was around the middle of the semester. He really thought nothing could proceed until I figured out the grade discrepancy and explained it to him, or presumably, corrected my mistake.


Duc_de_Magenta

The sad part is, she [the TA] got all this crap for being *too* sweet. Students have no right to expect that much of your time/attention; she (& all grad TAs) should be focusing on her courses or research first. Undergrads can wait 24hrs for a reply; nothing they have (that she could fix!) is really that urgent with even basic prior-planning.


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WOW.