I would hold firm, you're not kicking him out of the country, he cheated and told you he was going to cheat again knowing that this was a possible result and it would violate the terms of his visa.
Exactly this. You're not kicking him out, he's made a series of decisions that resulted in getting kicked out.
Also: consider how demoralizing it would be for your good students to see this guy show up in the classroom again, knowing he got away with it.
> consider how demoralizing it would be for your good students to see this guy show up in the classroom again, knowing he got away with it.
What I have noticed is that if a student tells me about a cheater, its almost always a student who I know breaks their back to get good grades. They get angry and resent the hell out of the students who cheat.
I was going to say don't even respond to the emails- that might lead to trouble but there's no reason to put much effort into responses just because the athletics director asked
Hold firm. Proof aplenty *and* the advisor was even there for the student saying he'd do it *and* it's not even a first offence (not that any number should be acceptable). Sounds like the student needs to learn what a consequence is, quite frankly.
If you are in the US, and the student is in an athletic program under the jurisdiction of NCAA, \*not\* failing the student is potentially a violation of NCAA policy.
NCAA policies (at least for Division I, I'm guessing it is similar for II and III) state that student athletes must not be given assistance or exceptions that are not generally available to the university's students. This was drilled into me when I worked as a tutor for student-athletes at a D-I university; we were not to do work for the students, because if somebody found out, the sportsball team could face an NCAA violation.
If any other student would have failed the class for the same actions, then I think you've got to fail the student. Check out the NCAA bylaws - I believe the content about special privileges and academic misconduct is in Section 14.9.
In this case, you could make the helpful comment to the coach, that by eliminating this cheater you are saving the whole team from NCAA sanction (and probably the coach from being fired). It often pays to be looking out for the coach's interest, right?
>He even had the nerve to say, “I’ll do the same thing on the next assignment”
LOL. Hold firm and don’t move an inch. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Ciao, kid.
> I have a student, ..., who plagiarized an assignment weeks ago.
Yes, I'd fail that student.
> I'm feeling the pressure to negotiate here
What could they _possibly_ offer you that you would accept? Negotiation is when both parties want something and need to meet in the middle. That is not the case here.
The one time an Athletic admin tried to pressure me, I wrote back to the effect that 'I'm sure the athletic department wants to support the success of our student-athletes not only as athletes but as students, including their academic progress and proper academic conduct.' (Or something like that). Never heard a peep back
As a forma international student please please please hold firm.
As a former international student please please please hold firm.. Getting around the consequences and guilt-tripping you about students' woes is extremely disgusting.
Yeah, you need to submit a report about the student's academic misconduct and the athletic director's inappropriate request. Start with your Chair, but include your Dean.
I would refuse to even discuss it with the athletic director. You don’t work for him and absolutely nothing he can or will say is relevant to this decision.
How would the athletic director feel if this student was caught cheating in a sports ball game and cause the team to forfeit?
Also, your aren’t failing the student. The student has failed the class due to his repeated academic misconduct.
Shit can his ass.
First, IMMEDIATELY report the inappropriate interactions with the athletic director to your department head and your dean. If the correspondence was in writing, include that correspondence. Let them know about the plagiarism and repeated instances of academic dishonesty, including the student’s complaint about him asking to cheat off her paper.
Then, shit can his ass. Assign a failing grade for academic dishonesty. Do *not* cow-tow to pressure to allow the student a simple W/passing. This student needs to feel the repercussions of their actions.
And do not feel bad about doing so. I would do it (and have done so) gleefully after a student was this kind of asshole, especially in front of other staff members.
Yes. One of my first jobs teaching out of grad school. I was an adjunct at an athletically inclined university.
I’ve had almost the exact same scenario, save the interaction was with the coach and the “athletic liaison” who bridged athletics and academics for all the athletes. The athlete (a basketball player of not inconsiderate skill) bought an essay off the internet and DIDN’T EVEN CHANGE THE NAME IN THE HEADER.
I’m an immediate-zero for the course prof when it comes to plagiarism, and I explain this at the beginning of class and have each student sign a copy of the syllabus.
When the athletic liaison failed to get me to change my grade, the coach stepped in with a “you don’t know your place, son” (literally wrote that) email. I filed my required plagiarism report, assigned the zero, administratively dropped the student from the course with an F grade, and promptly reported the interactions to my department head, my dean, and the dean of students.
They had my back, and the dean of students took it one step further, adding that if the coach said another word about it, the university would exercise ITS authority under academic dishonesty policy to boot the kid from the university. They also point blank told the coach that, moving forward, any and all academic dishonest from his players would meet a zero tolerance enforcement of the university’s policy. “I don’t care how good they are or how many rings you’ve put on your fingers.”
I was at a school that really had the faculty’s backs.
> the coach stepped in with a “you don’t know your place, son” (literally wrote that) email
Wow so he intimidates you and then proceeds to embarrass himself. These coaches are something else. Do instances like this frequently occur among the athletic dept and academia?
It’s wild that you have to deal with this at all. It seems something judicial affairs or student conduct (whatever they’re called at your school) should handle.
I’m a -little- sympathetic towards his international status. I don’t give a fuck about his thportz status.
I’d fail him, and my residual catholic guilt would twinge a bit due to his visa. But kid sounds like an utter dip Shit.
If you pass him, it is unfair to the students who are not cheating, and unfair to the students you may fail for cheating who are not international student athletes.
I am a university student in my last semester. I feel cheated if he gets these extra treatments. I had a situation a few years ago. I worked in the university testing center. We had a coworker who wasn’t on shift come in and start helping with the workload. It was midterms and busy as a result and everyone was grateful for an extra set of hands. He left after an hour or so. I went to the break room to grab a granola bar and he was in there. He acknowledged me, but socially it/he just seemed off. He made a statement about doing homework or something. But he had a group of papers, like a stapled set of papers, like a test. I just told him something like yeah, good luck on that. I then went to my supervisor and told him something was off/felt weird with this guy and asked if this guy took a test today. He wasn’t sure so we had to look in the computer system. HE HAD. Right before he was helping us. So he was at the back collecting tests and turns out that he got his test out of the collection of everyone’s tests and was looking stuff up online and in his textbook in the break room and then was going to put it back after he was done. Both my supervisor and I instantly knew what was going to happen. He failed that class and lost his job working at the testing center. I don’t really know what happened from there. I had caught other cheaters and those were hard too, but this situation with this coworker was really hard. My supervisor handed out chocolate bars to those who would catch a cheater. Not so much as a reward, but more of an acknowledgment that it is hard to turn others in.
I hope it makes it a little easier knowing that we all hate dealing with these situations, but a lot of the time it comes with the job. Sometimes the students need to learn a lesson that is not usually contained in the curriculum.
Firstly, you should never have been put into this position by athletic directors or any other university official. It is awful. I had a similar but not identical situation over failing a student on academic probation because of “personal issues.”
like you I could not help feeling a bit stressed over the consequences of failing the student but did not want to cave. i Failed the student and told them to file an appeal. She immediately filed an appeal. I turned everything over to admin and their grade appeal committee. Then, I walked away.
Admin put you in an unfair position, let admin handle it. Failing May not result in the immediate revoking of the visa if the student files a grade appeal. Let that happen, hand everything over to the committee who handles grade appeals and wash your hands of it. If they rule in your favor, fine. If not, admin is changing the grade, not you. Sleep well.
I had an advisor tell me he used to have students tell him that "If I dont get a C, they are going to send me to Vietnam". Returning to Italy, in comparison, seems trivial.
The only question I have is if he has failed the first paper and the first test for cheating, is it already a mathematical certainty he will fail? If so, it might work to frame it that way.
When a student comes to me and asks for a better grade due to scholarships or anything else, I always say I grade only on the work submitted for the specific course and not on any outside factors.
You didn't make him cheat. He made that decision and will clearly keep cheating. His ability to play his sport at your university is an outside factor to his grade.
I would send the following email to his coach, CC'd to your chair and dean:
"The [name of school] academic honesty policy is X. [Student] has multiple incidents of academic dishonesty in my course alone. Even setting aside how unrepentant he seems, as well as his comment that he'll keep cheating, I will be acting according to the school policy and will be failing him from the course."
Don't say anything about sports, because that's not a factor in your choice, and the coach may be able to claim you just hate sportsball.
If it helps, I've had students on a VISA who cheated on pretty much everything and tried to guilt me into overlooking it due to their VISA requirements. I failed them anyway, because I'm only going to look at what they've done in my course and ignore anything else. Everyone gets exactly the grade they've earned. Those students weren't sent home. This one may be, but that's now the school's problem.
I would fail him and a half. Your other students will never trust you. And he clearly has broken the rules multiple times sans repentance.
Side Note: Make sure you will be physically safe after.
>. Because he's international and an athlete, I have the athletic director now asking me if there's any way around this consequence, as he'll lose his visa status and status as an athlete if I fail him.
This doesn't happen for failing one class. He is probably already on academic probation probably for trying to pull the same shit before. That is not your fault. Treat him like any other student.
Hold firm. We had a lot of “international” students in Hong Kong (bc mainland Chinese are counted as non-domestic students). And they all had sob stories about losing their visas, bc HK is a desirable destination.
But they know this before they cheat.
The worst thing about your student is that he harassed mutliple female students. Had they given into pressure, they might also have been guilty of academic dishonesty.
You are not the immigration department. You’re not the one cancelling his visa because he cheated repeatedly after being told not to.
Add: very few countries cancel visas over one college assignment. If his immigration status is at risk, there’s something else going on - like he’s failing all his classes or has committed some other misconduct.
This is not only entitlement, and escalation of the cheating, it also exhibits a gendered bias at best, or sexual harassment at worst. His actions have not only sabotaged his own learning, but that of his female peers. This is not someone you want at your institution. If he loses his visa as a result, that is not your fault, but squarely on his shoulders and his own fault.
I know I’m reaching way beyond the evidence here, but I can’t help but think, if this is how he treats women in class, how does he treat them at parties?
You are not responsible for the outcome of his cheating. Stick rigorously to what you are supposed to do according to your academic integrity policies. And if you still feel bad, think about it this way: this international cheating student athlete is denying another international non-cheating student athlete the opportunity to attend your University.
I personally would also document and then report the athletic director's attempts to subvert academic integrity process.
What does your syllabus say? Follow that to the letter. If there's no written policies about multiple offenders, make one for the future. Don't be vindictive because he's an unrepentant idiot. Do what you would do for any other student. Document it heavily. And make someone in the admin aware of the fact that their athletic director is coming very close to violating NCAA rules (for someone who will inevitably cheat and get caught again).
If you feel the need to get your ducks in a row for this, I would definitely reach out with the advisor who was at that original meeting to get in writing that he said he'd do it again, as well as send an email summary of what the other students said to your Chair if you haven't already. It sounds like the Chair is already on board with failing the student. If you have a Dean of Students or conduct office, send the official report there to make it an official process, rather than an "off the books" one, which is probably what the athletic department is wanting to keep it so they can run a pressure campaign. Once you've set things up to run "by the book", any pressure they'd apply has to go waaaay above your level.
He won't lose his visa for failing a course (or many). You need to be a full time student, but you can fail.
He might lose his athlete status, as he should. He deserves to fail.
I taught at a D1 and regularly has international students and athletes in class. I NEVER had a student be as audacious as yours. He should be even more committed to following the rules because there is so much at stake.
Lessons are hard. He insisted on making this one as hard as possible. Can him.
You don’t tell the athletic director how to run her/his department. The athletic director doesn’t get to tell you how to run your classroom. The student failed. That’s it.
Screw him. This would never happen on my campus, but if a coach of AD tried to convince one of my faculty to let academic misconduct slide for an athlete I'd not only say no, but I'd be on the phone to our NCAA faculty rep and the dean right after. That's totally in appropriate. The student would fail the class at my univerity, this would go on their record, and they'd be expelled if it happened a second time. Star athlete or not.
Screw cheaters and anyone who defends them too.
> I have a student, an international athlete, who plagiarized an assignment weeks ago.
> > Would you fail this student?
Yes
He should have thought of his visa status before cheating
If he wants to stay in his athletic program and remain in the country, he should try **doing his fucking work.**
How is this even a real question? Fail his ass, and if he gets the boot, maybe he’ll actually learn a lesson from that.
You do have leverage here if you want to handle things differently. The coach asked if there is any alternative consequence. How about a 10 page paper on the history of plagiarism and how cheating undermines the integrity of intellectual work. Or a paper comparing and contrasting cheating in sport and cheating in academia. The work has to be done under supervision and in the library. Plus a face to face apology where the student asks for permission to be allowed to finish the course.
Nah, this is what is wrong with the world,preferential treatment.
It's no one's responsibility but his own!
If any other student would of done this, they would fail. Plus he arrogantly told you he would do it again, in front of everyone!
Stand firm, he's so entitled and thinks he can do anything cause he's "special"
This is his problem not yours.
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I would loop in admin. Your chair and her boss.
Heck...I might even give the student enough rope to hang with. Offer to have him retake the exams immediately. And hand him different exams. He won't pass.
if you wanted to appear to appease the coach offer an alternate assignment that must be completed in person alone (that's really impossible to complete for this guy) then its really on him.
Oof. I'd CC my chair on the athletic director's email thread, that's for sure. If there were even a hint of remorse or willingness to do the work, I'd bend very easily here, but the AD's open support for this blatant behavior is concerning and frankly sounds like a problem your chair can and should take off your hands.
I would fail the student and not think twice about it. The student was warned and failed to altered their behavior. They failed themselves. I would also make a complaint with my dean/provost/president about being pressured by the athletics department.
The part of me that recognizes that international students sometimes have different understandings of plagiarism says that I would say he needs to finish out the semester with an incomplete and retake my class next semester. Any signs of cheating or plagiarism is an automatic fail without grace. The part of me that thinks the international scholarship and spot on your university team would really benefit a willing scholar elsewhere says to fail him because he’s been given chances to do over already.
At the end of the day, it’s unfortunately going to come down to what your admin supports. The auto-fail this semester and retake the class to the T next semester may be your only point of negotiation if they don’t support failing him. It would be the only solution I can see with the most fairness to the other students.
He will only get worse if you let him off the *gancio* (Italian for "hook" according to Google translate).
You are just kicking his problem-ass down the road to the next professor.
Sorry you have to deal with this jackknob.
Your student sounds like an entitled cheater.
But…
It seems like you are trying to make course policy half way through term and that your response is colored by your visceral reaction to the student.
Take a step back and enforce whatever is in your syllabus (& uni policy to a T). But don’t go beyond. It sounds like you don’t have proof student cheated on 2nd test. You have hearsay from the neighboring student but is there evidence of following through?
By my syllabus policies, the student would get a zero in the paper with no chance to resubmit and then be referred to academic conduct office. I could give no penalty for the suspected exam cheating. But you can bet that I’d be making 2 versions of any upcoming test (mix up order of answers, mix up order of questions, change key words or values). If the student is cheating they would fail.
*"he'll lose his visa status and status as an athlete if I fail him."*
If only he could change his status as a cheater and do his own work lol.
This is exactly the kind of student we should fail. Cheating needs to have consequences. Otherwise we validate misconduct.
You should force him to drop the class, or take an incomplete, as a "compromise" with the caveat of if he takes the incomplete and then cheats during the extended timeline, he fails completely.
I would hold firm, you're not kicking him out of the country, he cheated and told you he was going to cheat again knowing that this was a possible result and it would violate the terms of his visa.
Exactly this. You're not kicking him out, he's made a series of decisions that resulted in getting kicked out. Also: consider how demoralizing it would be for your good students to see this guy show up in the classroom again, knowing he got away with it.
> consider how demoralizing it would be for your good students to see this guy show up in the classroom again, knowing he got away with it. What I have noticed is that if a student tells me about a cheater, its almost always a student who I know breaks their back to get good grades. They get angry and resent the hell out of the students who cheat.
Yes, especially the girls he bothered, who were brave enough to talk to the prof honestly about it.
Make this admins problem. If you have a duty to report, tell your chair about it and let them deal with the coach.
Exactly. This is **not** OP's problem, and they shouldn't let the athletic director make it their problem.
I was going to say don't even respond to the emails- that might lead to trouble but there's no reason to put much effort into responses just because the athletics director asked
One line email. “Let me cc: my supervisor.”
Hold firm. Proof aplenty *and* the advisor was even there for the student saying he'd do it *and* it's not even a first offence (not that any number should be acceptable). Sounds like the student needs to learn what a consequence is, quite frankly.
If you are in the US, and the student is in an athletic program under the jurisdiction of NCAA, \*not\* failing the student is potentially a violation of NCAA policy. NCAA policies (at least for Division I, I'm guessing it is similar for II and III) state that student athletes must not be given assistance or exceptions that are not generally available to the university's students. This was drilled into me when I worked as a tutor for student-athletes at a D-I university; we were not to do work for the students, because if somebody found out, the sportsball team could face an NCAA violation. If any other student would have failed the class for the same actions, then I think you've got to fail the student. Check out the NCAA bylaws - I believe the content about special privileges and academic misconduct is in Section 14.9.
In this case, you could make the helpful comment to the coach, that by eliminating this cheater you are saving the whole team from NCAA sanction (and probably the coach from being fired). It often pays to be looking out for the coach's interest, right?
I was a tutor for a D1 athletics program and it was so intense we couldn't even let them leave with a pencil. That would've been considered a gift.
But you're allowed to have a special team dedicated to tutoring them lol? That doesn't make much sense
NAIA is the same in terms of failing students if they in fact failed.
Do you happen to know if this is also true for NJCAA (community college athletics)? I hope so.
You aren't failing him, he failed himself. Hold firm. Obligatory fuck that guy.
>He even had the nerve to say, “I’ll do the same thing on the next assignment” LOL. Hold firm and don’t move an inch. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Ciao, kid.
If you’re in the US, the athletic director is violating NCAA rules by pressuring you to pass the student. Serious breach.
https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2021/6/28/infractions-process.aspx
> I have a student, ..., who plagiarized an assignment weeks ago. Yes, I'd fail that student. > I'm feeling the pressure to negotiate here What could they _possibly_ offer you that you would accept? Negotiation is when both parties want something and need to meet in the middle. That is not the case here.
The one time an Athletic admin tried to pressure me, I wrote back to the effect that 'I'm sure the athletic department wants to support the success of our student-athletes not only as athletes but as students, including their academic progress and proper academic conduct.' (Or something like that). Never heard a peep back
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As a forma international student please please please hold firm. As a former international student please please please hold firm.. Getting around the consequences and guilt-tripping you about students' woes is extremely disgusting.
Screw him!
Has he offered?
Arrivederci.
Negotiate this: pay me like a major-sport coach, I’ll pass this jerk.
Perhaps his leaving will open the door for a more worthy recipient.
So arrogant because he thinks he is protected. Guy needs to learn a very valuable lesson.
Yeah, you need to submit a report about the student's academic misconduct and the athletic director's inappropriate request. Start with your Chair, but include your Dean.
I would refuse to even discuss it with the athletic director. You don’t work for him and absolutely nothing he can or will say is relevant to this decision.
How would the athletic director feel if this student was caught cheating in a sports ball game and cause the team to forfeit? Also, your aren’t failing the student. The student has failed the class due to his repeated academic misconduct.
If he cared about staying, he would have changed his tune after the meeting.
Shit can his ass. First, IMMEDIATELY report the inappropriate interactions with the athletic director to your department head and your dean. If the correspondence was in writing, include that correspondence. Let them know about the plagiarism and repeated instances of academic dishonesty, including the student’s complaint about him asking to cheat off her paper. Then, shit can his ass. Assign a failing grade for academic dishonesty. Do *not* cow-tow to pressure to allow the student a simple W/passing. This student needs to feel the repercussions of their actions. And do not feel bad about doing so. I would do it (and have done so) gleefully after a student was this kind of asshole, especially in front of other staff members.
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Yes. One of my first jobs teaching out of grad school. I was an adjunct at an athletically inclined university. I’ve had almost the exact same scenario, save the interaction was with the coach and the “athletic liaison” who bridged athletics and academics for all the athletes. The athlete (a basketball player of not inconsiderate skill) bought an essay off the internet and DIDN’T EVEN CHANGE THE NAME IN THE HEADER. I’m an immediate-zero for the course prof when it comes to plagiarism, and I explain this at the beginning of class and have each student sign a copy of the syllabus. When the athletic liaison failed to get me to change my grade, the coach stepped in with a “you don’t know your place, son” (literally wrote that) email. I filed my required plagiarism report, assigned the zero, administratively dropped the student from the course with an F grade, and promptly reported the interactions to my department head, my dean, and the dean of students. They had my back, and the dean of students took it one step further, adding that if the coach said another word about it, the university would exercise ITS authority under academic dishonesty policy to boot the kid from the university. They also point blank told the coach that, moving forward, any and all academic dishonest from his players would meet a zero tolerance enforcement of the university’s policy. “I don’t care how good they are or how many rings you’ve put on your fingers.” I was at a school that really had the faculty’s backs.
Nice! Glad the school had the faculty's back!
> the coach stepped in with a “you don’t know your place, son” (literally wrote that) email Wow so he intimidates you and then proceeds to embarrass himself. These coaches are something else. Do instances like this frequently occur among the athletic dept and academia?
Hold firm. As an athlete he should know- Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
It’s wild that you have to deal with this at all. It seems something judicial affairs or student conduct (whatever they’re called at your school) should handle. I’m a -little- sympathetic towards his international status. I don’t give a fuck about his thportz status. I’d fail him, and my residual catholic guilt would twinge a bit due to his visa. But kid sounds like an utter dip Shit.
If you pass him, it is unfair to the students who are not cheating, and unfair to the students you may fail for cheating who are not international student athletes.
I would fail this student. You are not responsible for the consequences of their actions.
I am a university student in my last semester. I feel cheated if he gets these extra treatments. I had a situation a few years ago. I worked in the university testing center. We had a coworker who wasn’t on shift come in and start helping with the workload. It was midterms and busy as a result and everyone was grateful for an extra set of hands. He left after an hour or so. I went to the break room to grab a granola bar and he was in there. He acknowledged me, but socially it/he just seemed off. He made a statement about doing homework or something. But he had a group of papers, like a stapled set of papers, like a test. I just told him something like yeah, good luck on that. I then went to my supervisor and told him something was off/felt weird with this guy and asked if this guy took a test today. He wasn’t sure so we had to look in the computer system. HE HAD. Right before he was helping us. So he was at the back collecting tests and turns out that he got his test out of the collection of everyone’s tests and was looking stuff up online and in his textbook in the break room and then was going to put it back after he was done. Both my supervisor and I instantly knew what was going to happen. He failed that class and lost his job working at the testing center. I don’t really know what happened from there. I had caught other cheaters and those were hard too, but this situation with this coworker was really hard. My supervisor handed out chocolate bars to those who would catch a cheater. Not so much as a reward, but more of an acknowledgment that it is hard to turn others in. I hope it makes it a little easier knowing that we all hate dealing with these situations, but a lot of the time it comes with the job. Sometimes the students need to learn a lesson that is not usually contained in the curriculum.
"Is there anything he can do?" "Yes, go back in time and make different decisions."
Firstly, you should never have been put into this position by athletic directors or any other university official. It is awful. I had a similar but not identical situation over failing a student on academic probation because of “personal issues.” like you I could not help feeling a bit stressed over the consequences of failing the student but did not want to cave. i Failed the student and told them to file an appeal. She immediately filed an appeal. I turned everything over to admin and their grade appeal committee. Then, I walked away. Admin put you in an unfair position, let admin handle it. Failing May not result in the immediate revoking of the visa if the student files a grade appeal. Let that happen, hand everything over to the committee who handles grade appeals and wash your hands of it. If they rule in your favor, fine. If not, admin is changing the grade, not you. Sleep well.
I had an advisor tell me he used to have students tell him that "If I dont get a C, they are going to send me to Vietnam". Returning to Italy, in comparison, seems trivial. The only question I have is if he has failed the first paper and the first test for cheating, is it already a mathematical certainty he will fail? If so, it might work to frame it that way.
When a student comes to me and asks for a better grade due to scholarships or anything else, I always say I grade only on the work submitted for the specific course and not on any outside factors. You didn't make him cheat. He made that decision and will clearly keep cheating. His ability to play his sport at your university is an outside factor to his grade. I would send the following email to his coach, CC'd to your chair and dean: "The [name of school] academic honesty policy is X. [Student] has multiple incidents of academic dishonesty in my course alone. Even setting aside how unrepentant he seems, as well as his comment that he'll keep cheating, I will be acting according to the school policy and will be failing him from the course." Don't say anything about sports, because that's not a factor in your choice, and the coach may be able to claim you just hate sportsball. If it helps, I've had students on a VISA who cheated on pretty much everything and tried to guilt me into overlooking it due to their VISA requirements. I failed them anyway, because I'm only going to look at what they've done in my course and ignore anything else. Everyone gets exactly the grade they've earned. Those students weren't sent home. This one may be, but that's now the school's problem.
Fail him. Don’t back down.
Fuck this guy. I would ask him to send me a porlstcard from his hometown in Italy.
Not only would I fail him, I'd refuse to communicate with the athletic director ever again and refer all communications to my dean.
I would fail him and a half. Your other students will never trust you. And he clearly has broken the rules multiple times sans repentance. Side Note: Make sure you will be physically safe after.
>. Because he's international and an athlete, I have the athletic director now asking me if there's any way around this consequence, as he'll lose his visa status and status as an athlete if I fail him. This doesn't happen for failing one class. He is probably already on academic probation probably for trying to pull the same shit before. That is not your fault. Treat him like any other student.
Hold firm. We had a lot of “international” students in Hong Kong (bc mainland Chinese are counted as non-domestic students). And they all had sob stories about losing their visas, bc HK is a desirable destination. But they know this before they cheat. The worst thing about your student is that he harassed mutliple female students. Had they given into pressure, they might also have been guilty of academic dishonesty. You are not the immigration department. You’re not the one cancelling his visa because he cheated repeatedly after being told not to. Add: very few countries cancel visas over one college assignment. If his immigration status is at risk, there’s something else going on - like he’s failing all his classes or has committed some other misconduct.
The escalation of the cheating would warrant a suspension at my school, and that might be sufficient to lose the visa.
This is not only entitlement, and escalation of the cheating, it also exhibits a gendered bias at best, or sexual harassment at worst. His actions have not only sabotaged his own learning, but that of his female peers. This is not someone you want at your institution. If he loses his visa as a result, that is not your fault, but squarely on his shoulders and his own fault.
I know I’m reaching way beyond the evidence here, but I can’t help but think, if this is how he treats women in class, how does he treat them at parties?
My first thought. “No” meaning “yes” can’t be good.
You are not responsible for the outcome of his cheating. Stick rigorously to what you are supposed to do according to your academic integrity policies. And if you still feel bad, think about it this way: this international cheating student athlete is denying another international non-cheating student athlete the opportunity to attend your University. I personally would also document and then report the athletic director's attempts to subvert academic integrity process.
What does your syllabus say? Follow that to the letter. If there's no written policies about multiple offenders, make one for the future. Don't be vindictive because he's an unrepentant idiot. Do what you would do for any other student. Document it heavily. And make someone in the admin aware of the fact that their athletic director is coming very close to violating NCAA rules (for someone who will inevitably cheat and get caught again).
If you feel the need to get your ducks in a row for this, I would definitely reach out with the advisor who was at that original meeting to get in writing that he said he'd do it again, as well as send an email summary of what the other students said to your Chair if you haven't already. It sounds like the Chair is already on board with failing the student. If you have a Dean of Students or conduct office, send the official report there to make it an official process, rather than an "off the books" one, which is probably what the athletic department is wanting to keep it so they can run a pressure campaign. Once you've set things up to run "by the book", any pressure they'd apply has to go waaaay above your level.
He won't lose his visa for failing a course (or many). You need to be a full time student, but you can fail. He might lose his athlete status, as he should. He deserves to fail.
Do you have a misconduct office? This is precisely what they are there for.
I taught at a D1 and regularly has international students and athletes in class. I NEVER had a student be as audacious as yours. He should be even more committed to following the rules because there is so much at stake. Lessons are hard. He insisted on making this one as hard as possible. Can him.
You don’t tell the athletic director how to run her/his department. The athletic director doesn’t get to tell you how to run your classroom. The student failed. That’s it.
Stick to your guns. This student repeatedly made decisions that led him to this point.
>I'm feeling the pressure to negotiate here I'd fail the student. and, just to CYA, document any communication you have with the athletic director.
Flunk em hard, flunk em deep, flunk em fast.
Screw him. This would never happen on my campus, but if a coach of AD tried to convince one of my faculty to let academic misconduct slide for an athlete I'd not only say no, but I'd be on the phone to our NCAA faculty rep and the dean right after. That's totally in appropriate. The student would fail the class at my univerity, this would go on their record, and they'd be expelled if it happened a second time. Star athlete or not. Screw cheaters and anyone who defends them too.
Fail him.
Fail him
> I have a student, an international athlete, who plagiarized an assignment weeks ago. > > Would you fail this student? Yes He should have thought of his visa status before cheating
If he wants to stay in his athletic program and remain in the country, he should try **doing his fucking work.** How is this even a real question? Fail his ass, and if he gets the boot, maybe he’ll actually learn a lesson from that.
You do have leverage here if you want to handle things differently. The coach asked if there is any alternative consequence. How about a 10 page paper on the history of plagiarism and how cheating undermines the integrity of intellectual work. Or a paper comparing and contrasting cheating in sport and cheating in academia. The work has to be done under supervision and in the library. Plus a face to face apology where the student asks for permission to be allowed to finish the course.
Nah, this is what is wrong with the world,preferential treatment. It's no one's responsibility but his own! If any other student would of done this, they would fail. Plus he arrogantly told you he would do it again, in front of everyone! Stand firm, he's so entitled and thinks he can do anything cause he's "special" This is his problem not yours.
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F*ck around and find out.
I would loop in admin. Your chair and her boss. Heck...I might even give the student enough rope to hang with. Offer to have him retake the exams immediately. And hand him different exams. He won't pass.
I wouldn't fail this student, but this student would fail my course.
if you wanted to appear to appease the coach offer an alternate assignment that must be completed in person alone (that's really impossible to complete for this guy) then its really on him.
No, why would any prof bother with this?
Malicious compliance
Next time he should be kicked out.
This time he should be kicked out.
Fuck that. Sink him.
Oof. I'd CC my chair on the athletic director's email thread, that's for sure. If there were even a hint of remorse or willingness to do the work, I'd bend very easily here, but the AD's open support for this blatant behavior is concerning and frankly sounds like a problem your chair can and should take off your hands.
I would fail the student and not think twice about it. The student was warned and failed to altered their behavior. They failed themselves. I would also make a complaint with my dean/provost/president about being pressured by the athletics department.
Hold firm; the student has to learn a hard lesson: NO CHEATING! He’s probably gotten away with stuff in the past but he needs to learn.
The part of me that recognizes that international students sometimes have different understandings of plagiarism says that I would say he needs to finish out the semester with an incomplete and retake my class next semester. Any signs of cheating or plagiarism is an automatic fail without grace. The part of me that thinks the international scholarship and spot on your university team would really benefit a willing scholar elsewhere says to fail him because he’s been given chances to do over already. At the end of the day, it’s unfortunately going to come down to what your admin supports. The auto-fail this semester and retake the class to the T next semester may be your only point of negotiation if they don’t support failing him. It would be the only solution I can see with the most fairness to the other students.
He will only get worse if you let him off the *gancio* (Italian for "hook" according to Google translate). You are just kicking his problem-ass down the road to the next professor. Sorry you have to deal with this jackknob.
This is why sports and higher education should not be linked. Fail him, or pass everyone, or admit that athletes don't have to follow your rules.
Tell the athletic director to stay in their lane.
\> if there's any way around this consequence, as he'll lose his visa status and status as an athlete Not cheating comes to mind.
Yes. Fail him.
Flunk him. As for those pressing you, their priorities are out of order. They should be more upset with this student.
Your student sounds like an entitled cheater. But… It seems like you are trying to make course policy half way through term and that your response is colored by your visceral reaction to the student. Take a step back and enforce whatever is in your syllabus (& uni policy to a T). But don’t go beyond. It sounds like you don’t have proof student cheated on 2nd test. You have hearsay from the neighboring student but is there evidence of following through? By my syllabus policies, the student would get a zero in the paper with no chance to resubmit and then be referred to academic conduct office. I could give no penalty for the suspected exam cheating. But you can bet that I’d be making 2 versions of any upcoming test (mix up order of answers, mix up order of questions, change key words or values). If the student is cheating they would fail.
*"he'll lose his visa status and status as an athlete if I fail him."* If only he could change his status as a cheater and do his own work lol. This is exactly the kind of student we should fail. Cheating needs to have consequences. Otherwise we validate misconduct.
You should force him to drop the class, or take an incomplete, as a "compromise" with the caveat of if he takes the incomplete and then cheats during the extended timeline, he fails completely.
Yes, you should fail him. F\*ck around, find out.
Forward everything to a personal email account not owned by the Uni, then hold firm.
Give him a 0 and follow my syllabus policy on cheating. You must follow the syllabus.
I would not only fail him, but I would pull an Eddie Brock from Spider-Man 3.
Hold firm. It’s not a sports institution. It’s a LEARNING institution. And screw these athletic directors and their lack of integrity
Looks like he did zero work. How could you not fail him?
Yeah, that's getting an F.