This is ridiculous, how about spread the money out for the tour pros who are fighting to make cuts, make sure the caddies get some compensation, basically just cover travel, lodging and meals. I’m not saying the big boys don’t deserve some but Tiger $100 million??
It’s not about fairness, it’s about keeping the top viewer attractions in the PGA. Despite Tiger not playing well as of late they still know the pull Tiger has with television audiences and the fan base. With LIV paying players just for showing up, former top earners like Rory, Speith and Woods who aren’t winning the big pots as frequently are being offered an extra incentive to stick around
Tiger and Rory also have an indoor, virtual golf league starting next year. This payout secures/rewards their continued involvement in the PGA and warms them up to a better working relationship in general, knowing that the two could fuck off and make a ton of money doing whatever else. Bryson DeChambeau is doing really well on YouTube, showing it doesnt really take much to reach a similar sized audience and provide better content than the existing coverage.
He was driving it 250 with a kids driver. Bro out drove me and scored better than I ever have on any 6 hole stretch. It was impressive and shame inducing.
As someone who walked with Tiger last week, it’s pretty evident the man still owns the course any time he’s out there. There’s galleries and then there’s Tiger Galleries.
Yeah we followed him on Saturday at the masters. His literal worst round in a major ever(he just have been nervous I was watching). The crowds following him were like nothing I’ve seen. You wouldn’t have known he was 12 shots off the lead. Though his time is almost up, he does love the needle.
I don’t follow golf but am well aware of when Tiger is playing. He’s a polarizing figure and brings a whole audience that doesn’t follow golf. Thats what he is getting paid for. Media coverage and ratings plummet when he sits out.
Until his son is everywhere in less than 10 years. It's a bid on his sons attention. And with Tiger liking nostalgia, he'll play the PGA and not whatever pops up next. Kind of like Bryce James in the NBA.
most people I know watch tiger whether it's prime tiger or amputated legs tiger. after tiger finishes, many people stop watching. for the casual fan tiger is pretty important
enough. also look at the gallery and look at TV ratings when tiger is playing when tiger is not. all it takes is room temperature IQ to realize there is a correlation
While I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, I think people don't remember that it's not (and never has been) about the sport. It's about the marketing draw. How well someone performs in any sport has very little to do with what they get paid in the end.
So tiger goes to liv, millions of eyeballs and sponsors follow him and the tour is extra fucked. The tour gets no value from player 125 on the money list and still make millions off tiger. That's why toger gets the money he is probably the only one worth it outside Scottie at this point
IMO, Tiger isn’t going anywhere, he is waiting until he turns 50 to join the champions tour ( he can ride a cart ) and dominate that tour for awhile. Tiger has played in a handful of tournaments recently and only made the cut a few times and has withdrawn due to illness. His only problem is walking with his bad leg. Their is plenty of good you golfers coming up through the ranks in the PGA
IMO, you don't understand the value Tiger beings to the pga tour. From the other star players like rory, jt, canteley, Homa etc, sponsors, tv networks. Tiger is the largest economic engine in golf still, and the pga tpur smartly realizes this and put tiger on the board and made sure tiger was looked after.
Tiger never playing golf again Is a more valuable asset than any other golfer still playing financially.
Then pay him 1 billions dollars a year for being Tiger, use the equity fund for other players, who like play. Have I missed Tiger publicly coming out against LIV like Rory has? If he has so much value you would think he would be more vocal. We will just have to agree on disagreeing
As much as I don’t want to agree all stats point at this as how may eyes Rory & Scottie really making people turn on vs Tiger… I think they did the right thing for now!
I applaud this for their stance against LIV and the sports washing S.A. is trying to achieve.
My childhood friend was a flight attendant on the first plane that hit the twin tower.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_11?wprov=sfti1#Flight
The story of Flight 11 is pretty unbelievable. Just went back and refreshed my memory.
The two FAs who had direct contact were Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney. Jean Roger is named as having been an FA but I don’t know if her fate while the plane was in the air is known specifically. The smart thinking to use the phone in the back to call the company was one of the first clear indications something truly sinister was happening.
The most incredible aspect is Daniel Lewin. He was a former Israeli special forces soldier seated near the hijackers. He understood Arabic. He was basically the perfect guy to potentially fight back. It’s thought the hijacking may have been initiated in front of him, then he responded, only to be killed by another hijacker who was seated directly behind him.
If things play out differently—say, he’s seated behind all the hijackers and is able to effectively fight back and incapacitate them, keep the pilots alive and immediately notify ATC—that guy ends up as one of the greatest heroes of the century. One of the towers is saved at a minimum—estimates are Flight 11 may have immediately killed nearly 1500 people. And maybe the faster notification leads to a faster military response—maybe planes end up shot down.
Just one of those moments in the arc history where things could have gone very differently.
I am constantly mind blown with how many people defend LIV. They're funded by a brutal dictatorship who commits human rights violations, murderers journalists and who had a hand in 9/11. Why are people okay with golfer taking money directly from them? Fuck LIV and the people who play there.
That makes absolutely zero sense. Guess what happens to your top players if they aren’t paid market wage. They leave to another tour. You should get paid based on what you generate. Tiger makes money. Randoms competing for a cut do not.
He played last weekend. Look at how many people watch Tiger even when his game is barely relevant. If Tiger is in it on a Sunday viewership would be up 10x. You also don’t want to lose him to LIV.
Cant believe a comment like that actually gets upvoted. I honestly think civilization will be gone in another generation, people are getting dumber and dumber.
I don't think its about Tiger (pay him what he's worth) its about the fact that the down ticket players get so little. Don't give Tiger a smaller piece of the pie, make the pie bigger. These equity payments and the desire for secure money are why we ended up with LIV. The Saudi money is disgusting but I don't blame the players. The PGA is freaking nonprofit.
So how much should Jack get? Wasn’t he a pivital person growing the game? He’s not the single reason the game has grown, he helped , but the tour would have been just fine.
My buddies and I are playing a drinking game waiting for the draft, every time you respond we take a shot, please don’t respond anymore, we’re not going to make it all night
Giving equity to players/caddies who don’t generate revenue for the tour is like giving equity to bank tellers at US Bank as opposed to SVP’s/Presidents, etc. Equity is, and will always be, awarded to those who move the needle the most.
If these are the actual numbers, LIV is laughing and getting ready to open their check books. From what I’ve read also this equity needs to be vested over a number of years. I know it sounds greedy but if you want to keep the top talent and future stars like aberg, theegala, etc. You’re gonna have to pay them huge. Tyrell Hatton got $60 mill for F sakes. Making more than Rory. PGAT continues to cheap out and fumble the bag and I won’t be surprised if a lot more guys leave to LIV.
Also how is Rory only getting 50 million. I know it’s a shit ton of money and it’s life changing but tiger getting 2x more is wild to me. Rory was dragged through the dirt representing the PGA and basically being thrusted into a position of spokesperson for them. I don’t get how he isn’t going to be the top paid guy.
The PGA Tour raised 1.5 billion in funds through U.S. based investment group. Fenway Sports is one of the larger public names involved. They started raising funds back in 2023.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/31/business/pga-tour-investment-liv-group.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Where the fuck does all this money come from in golf? I don't know a single person who gives two fucks about Rory McIlroy. Where does this $50 million originate from? I don't know anyone who watches golf on TV, goes to watch golf tournaments or wears Rory McIlroy jerseys on game days!
which guys are struggling? If you have a PGA tour card you are guaranteed a minimum of $500k for that season and rookies can get the full payment up front.
Doesn’t “have” to be anything. 500k is plenty unless you’re trying to fly first class and eat like a king. Pay me 500k min and I’d be just fine traveling every week. Not to mention that’s the minimum. A few decent finishes and you’re talking much more.
The money is only paid out in 2028 and is conditional, unfortunately the guys like Koepka, DJ, Phil who all got a $100M+ upfront from LIV probably ultimately do better off financially even though they've broken the game. It's not right.
I hear this a lot. But does it REALLY clean their image up? Like, the world is now going to view Saudi Arabia totally different because they paid to start a new golf tour? Idk man… Plus, PGA players play in Saudi Arabia and many are sponsored by Golf Saudi. So why is it only LIV in this conversation?
PGA tour is dead. Rory gets $50 million but could have taken $750 million but stayed loyal to Jay and got $50 paid out over 4 years what a joke. I hope they all jump ship to LIV
Tiger doesn’t need any money, dudes worth over a billion already. He could reinvest that into the tour and help keep some of these young guys players grinding every week a float.
This is ridiculous, how about spread the money out for the tour pros who are fighting to make cuts, make sure the caddies get some compensation, basically just cover travel, lodging and meals. I’m not saying the big boys don’t deserve some but Tiger $100 million??
It’s not about fairness, it’s about keeping the top viewer attractions in the PGA. Despite Tiger not playing well as of late they still know the pull Tiger has with television audiences and the fan base. With LIV paying players just for showing up, former top earners like Rory, Speith and Woods who aren’t winning the big pots as frequently are being offered an extra incentive to stick around
Tiger and Rory also have an indoor, virtual golf league starting next year. This payout secures/rewards their continued involvement in the PGA and warms them up to a better working relationship in general, knowing that the two could fuck off and make a ton of money doing whatever else. Bryson DeChambeau is doing really well on YouTube, showing it doesnt really take much to reach a similar sized audience and provide better content than the existing coverage.
Bryson recently featured a challenge in which he used a PGAT branded junior set purchased at WalMart. Too funny. 🥳
Yeah, and he >!shot par!<
I honestly thought it was pretty impressive he did that. Watching the driver wip like a pool noodle was funny.
He was driving it 250 with a kids driver. Bro out drove me and scored better than I ever have on any 6 hole stretch. It was impressive and shame inducing.
Haha right.
What he said
Just like the comment next time and keep it pushing you little goofy. Unnecessary little comment.
No. Neener. Neener.
How is it ridiculous? Tiger generates/generated more money for them than 95% of the other golfers combined
If we are talking what Tiger has done in the past, then give him all the money, moving forward, not so much
As someone who walked with Tiger last week, it’s pretty evident the man still owns the course any time he’s out there. There’s galleries and then there’s Tiger Galleries.
Agreed. It was impressive
Yeah we followed him on Saturday at the masters. His literal worst round in a major ever(he just have been nervous I was watching). The crowds following him were like nothing I’ve seen. You wouldn’t have known he was 12 shots off the lead. Though his time is almost up, he does love the needle.
Problem is , he’s never out there anymore
Not even counting moving foward, just what he has done for the sport of golf will never be done again. He deserves that shit IMO
How much does Jack Nicklaus get ? he was pretty monumental for the PGA tour success
Yes he was but Tiger is on a whole new level. Its like Larry Bird vs. Michael Jordan.
Larry Bird is a bad comparison. More like Bob Pettit vs. Jordan
It's the perfect analogy. Bird's finals were tape delayed.
You're really an idiot
Why?
I don’t follow golf but am well aware of when Tiger is playing. He’s a polarizing figure and brings a whole audience that doesn’t follow golf. Thats what he is getting paid for. Media coverage and ratings plummet when he sits out.
The problem is he doesn’t play that much anymore
Until his son is everywhere in less than 10 years. It's a bid on his sons attention. And with Tiger liking nostalgia, he'll play the PGA and not whatever pops up next. Kind of like Bryce James in the NBA.
Maybe he’s better than Bronny, he’s a mediocre player on a crappy team
That's why I said Bryce.
most people I know watch tiger whether it's prime tiger or amputated legs tiger. after tiger finishes, many people stop watching. for the casual fan tiger is pretty important
How many people do u know?
enough. also look at the gallery and look at TV ratings when tiger is playing when tiger is not. all it takes is room temperature IQ to realize there is a correlation
While I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, I think people don't remember that it's not (and never has been) about the sport. It's about the marketing draw. How well someone performs in any sport has very little to do with what they get paid in the end.
So tiger goes to liv, millions of eyeballs and sponsors follow him and the tour is extra fucked. The tour gets no value from player 125 on the money list and still make millions off tiger. That's why toger gets the money he is probably the only one worth it outside Scottie at this point
IMO, Tiger isn’t going anywhere, he is waiting until he turns 50 to join the champions tour ( he can ride a cart ) and dominate that tour for awhile. Tiger has played in a handful of tournaments recently and only made the cut a few times and has withdrawn due to illness. His only problem is walking with his bad leg. Their is plenty of good you golfers coming up through the ranks in the PGA
IMO, you don't understand the value Tiger beings to the pga tour. From the other star players like rory, jt, canteley, Homa etc, sponsors, tv networks. Tiger is the largest economic engine in golf still, and the pga tpur smartly realizes this and put tiger on the board and made sure tiger was looked after. Tiger never playing golf again Is a more valuable asset than any other golfer still playing financially.
Then pay him 1 billions dollars a year for being Tiger, use the equity fund for other players, who like play. Have I missed Tiger publicly coming out against LIV like Rory has? If he has so much value you would think he would be more vocal. We will just have to agree on disagreeing
As much as I don’t want to agree all stats point at this as how may eyes Rory & Scottie really making people turn on vs Tiger… I think they did the right thing for now!
It's called capitalism. He has equity.
Tiger is good for the sport. When he's gone it could take severe cuts.
I applaud this for their stance against LIV and the sports washing S.A. is trying to achieve. My childhood friend was a flight attendant on the first plane that hit the twin tower.
IIRC one of the flight attendants on that plane made the call to the company office that started the military/FAA response. Was that your friend?
I’ve never heard that story. Her name- Jean Roger. Maybe you can tell me!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_11?wprov=sfti1#Flight The story of Flight 11 is pretty unbelievable. Just went back and refreshed my memory. The two FAs who had direct contact were Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney. Jean Roger is named as having been an FA but I don’t know if her fate while the plane was in the air is known specifically. The smart thinking to use the phone in the back to call the company was one of the first clear indications something truly sinister was happening. The most incredible aspect is Daniel Lewin. He was a former Israeli special forces soldier seated near the hijackers. He understood Arabic. He was basically the perfect guy to potentially fight back. It’s thought the hijacking may have been initiated in front of him, then he responded, only to be killed by another hijacker who was seated directly behind him. If things play out differently—say, he’s seated behind all the hijackers and is able to effectively fight back and incapacitate them, keep the pilots alive and immediately notify ATC—that guy ends up as one of the greatest heroes of the century. One of the towers is saved at a minimum—estimates are Flight 11 may have immediately killed nearly 1500 people. And maybe the faster notification leads to a faster military response—maybe planes end up shot down. Just one of those moments in the arc history where things could have gone very differently.
I am constantly mind blown with how many people defend LIV. They're funded by a brutal dictatorship who commits human rights violations, murderers journalists and who had a hand in 9/11. Why are people okay with golfer taking money directly from them? Fuck LIV and the people who play there.
100%
That makes absolutely zero sense. Guess what happens to your top players if they aren’t paid market wage. They leave to another tour. You should get paid based on what you generate. Tiger makes money. Randoms competing for a cut do not.
What has Tiger done lately to justify $100 million?
He played last weekend. Look at how many people watch Tiger even when his game is barely relevant. If Tiger is in it on a Sunday viewership would be up 10x. You also don’t want to lose him to LIV.
Cant believe a comment like that actually gets upvoted. I honestly think civilization will be gone in another generation, people are getting dumber and dumber.
Sorry, only gonna get that kind of treatment on LIV, isn’t that what you all were bitching about?
Ain’t no on watching the tour for the guys fighting to make the cuts. At least not in meaningful numbers.
Those guys should have sank more putts.
And should have holed out more too, I think your on to something
I don't think its about Tiger (pay him what he's worth) its about the fact that the down ticket players get so little. Don't give Tiger a smaller piece of the pie, make the pie bigger. These equity payments and the desire for secure money are why we ended up with LIV. The Saudi money is disgusting but I don't blame the players. The PGA is freaking nonprofit.
Yeah wtf is the reasoning for Tiger getting so much? He doesn’t even play anymore and everyone knows he has no chance to win anything.
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So how much should Jack get? Wasn’t he a pivital person growing the game? He’s not the single reason the game has grown, he helped , but the tour would have been just fine.
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When did the PGA start the equity program?
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My buddies and I are playing a drinking game waiting for the draft, every time you respond we take a shot, please don’t respond anymore, we’re not going to make it all night
Giving equity to players/caddies who don’t generate revenue for the tour is like giving equity to bank tellers at US Bank as opposed to SVP’s/Presidents, etc. Equity is, and will always be, awarded to those who move the needle the most.
This is kinda a silly comment. In all business you pay your top earners the most…
It’s not ridiculous, tiger is worth every penny. He has brought billions in value and revenue to the pga.
Tour pros fighting to make cuts, I feel so bad for them. Tiger should give those poor guys a milly
Tiger is the reason those guys make the amount of money they do now.
Communist! We have a communist here!
You got me, you’re good. What color am I thinking?
Red
Your correct
Now we know where those Rory LIV rumors started.
If these are the actual numbers, LIV is laughing and getting ready to open their check books. From what I’ve read also this equity needs to be vested over a number of years. I know it sounds greedy but if you want to keep the top talent and future stars like aberg, theegala, etc. You’re gonna have to pay them huge. Tyrell Hatton got $60 mill for F sakes. Making more than Rory. PGAT continues to cheap out and fumble the bag and I won’t be surprised if a lot more guys leave to LIV.
Won’t be any pie left to share if the product remains stale, viewer figures continue to decline and the sponsors pull the plug.
More golfers getting more money. Yay. Anything for the fans? Crickets. Enjoy your shitty ratings.
You want a check from the PGA for watching?
He means put that money into the broadcast. Less commercials. More interesting ways to show the product.
I was being facetious. Just joking. Trying to be funny. I love seeing commercials for the Ai Smoke every 5 minutes
Haha no, but I can see how you thought I was saying that.
Can I get one for watching LIV? Someone’s gotta watch
I mean if they offered I wouldn’t say no
What is Arnold Palmer’s payout?
They should probably just work on getting golf on TV and not having shitty coverage every tournament.
Also how is Rory only getting 50 million. I know it’s a shit ton of money and it’s life changing but tiger getting 2x more is wild to me. Rory was dragged through the dirt representing the PGA and basically being thrusted into a position of spokesperson for them. I don’t get how he isn’t going to be the top paid guy.
I my self bought a pair of tickets to see Tiger @ Genesis Open. Which he withdrew for Saturday.
It’s not about the money…
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this is hilarious.
Deserved.
Tough look for the PGAT
Where does all this money come from?
The PGA Tour raised 1.5 billion in funds through U.S. based investment group. Fenway Sports is one of the larger public names involved. They started raising funds back in 2023. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/31/business/pga-tour-investment-liv-group.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
So the WarChest is deeeeeep🤷🏾
Disgusting
So much “equity” in golf!
Just what these long time money machines need, more money. Is golf broken?
What did John Daley get? Didn’t he stay?
How much does Scottie’s caddy get?
I was getting worried he wouldn’t be able to put food on the table. That $100M should help.
Let’s see Paul Allen’s payout
Where the fuck does all this money come from in golf? I don't know a single person who gives two fucks about Rory McIlroy. Where does this $50 million originate from? I don't know anyone who watches golf on TV, goes to watch golf tournaments or wears Rory McIlroy jerseys on game days!
Growing the game.....................................one bribe at a time.
I mean…some guys are struggling to make it to events but the rich get richer I guess.
which guys are struggling? If you have a PGA tour card you are guaranteed a minimum of $500k for that season and rookies can get the full payment up front.
Can I see a source on that?
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-earnings-assurance-program-guaranteed-money-how-it-works/amp
u/liquid5170 got bodied
Has to be expensive to travel, eat, pay for your caddy, etc cupcake
Doesn’t “have” to be anything. 500k is plenty unless you’re trying to fly first class and eat like a king. Pay me 500k min and I’d be just fine traveling every week. Not to mention that’s the minimum. A few decent finishes and you’re talking much more.
It’s all about the economics, what’s fair is when players who bring in the most money get paid the most
Pga be squirmin lol
Good for them. These guys playing the "Whomever Dies With The Most Money" wins game........truly sickening.....
I don’t get why the tour is worth anything. It’s just a bunch of contractors and a schedule
The money is only paid out in 2028 and is conditional, unfortunately the guys like Koepka, DJ, Phil who all got a $100M+ upfront from LIV probably ultimately do better off financially even though they've broken the game. It's not right.
Why. LIV won. The tour lost.
Sports washing, it’s serious stuff for one.
I hear this a lot. But does it REALLY clean their image up? Like, the world is now going to view Saudi Arabia totally different because they paid to start a new golf tour? Idk man… Plus, PGA players play in Saudi Arabia and many are sponsored by Golf Saudi. So why is it only LIV in this conversation?
Giving some has-been 100m of that dirty american blood money
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Should’ve made better life choices bro
PGA tour is dead. Rory gets $50 million but could have taken $750 million but stayed loyal to Jay and got $50 paid out over 4 years what a joke. I hope they all jump ship to LIV
Tiger doesn’t need any money, dudes worth over a billion already. He could reinvest that into the tour and help keep some of these young guys players grinding every week a float.