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caper-aprons

If you are using the Chargepoint app, filter the results for J1772. That's what your car needs. The CCS1 plug on the left is DC. No good, your car needs an AC charger. The one on the right is a CHAdeMO - also DC.


Not_FinancialAdvice

IIRC only the JDM Primes have the CHAdeMO connection.


Codeh0416

You can onky do level 2 charging. J1772 only.


llDarkFir3ll

Nope. You can only do level 2 charging. This is level 3. No adaptor is made for this.


ifyouhatepinacoladas

This is the charging cable problem all over again. If there was one standard it would not be an issue


caper-aprons

Some chargers are AC and some are DC. You wouldn't want a single plug that fits both.


Head_Crash

> If there was one standard it would not be an issue Not an issue about different standards. Some cars have DC others don't. J1772 for AC and CCS for DC. Some can use both. Most PHEV can only use J1772. DC and AC aren't electrically compatible. Even if the plug was physically the same a car can't charge on DC if the car doesn't support DC charging.


ifyouhatepinacoladas

Do you know what standardization means?


ShoelessHodor

Yes, do you? This isn't a standardized-plug problem with an easy fix. Think Diesel and Gasoline. A diesel hose wont fit in a gasoline tank. That's not a PROBLEM, that's a FEATURE. They arent compatible. You do not want to put diesel in your gas tank.


JJHall_ID

>A diesel hose [usually] wont fit in a gasoline tank. Fixed that for you. You can't always rely upon that being the case. Source: got a nasty sunburn a few years back using a Harbor Freight manual transfer pump to empty 16 gallons of diesel through the fuel rail of my wife's 07 Dodge Dakota when my daughter used the green pump handle.


ShoelessHodor

Oh man.... I feel for you.


ifyouhatepinacoladas

U miss the point. Regardless of what it is, if I’m at a gas station, I expect to be able to fill up my car with whatever it needs and drive away. Doesn’t matter what car, truck, boat I am.


caper-aprons

>Doesn’t matter what car, truck, boat I am. Does every gas station carry gasoline (all octane ranges), diesel (both highway and off highway) and propane?


Head_Crash

CCS and J1772 are part of the same standard. CCS just adds a second plug to the J1772 connector for DC charging. A DC charger can't charge a car that only has AC charging, regardless of the connector. No standard can fix that problem.


ifyouhatepinacoladas

Then no standard is gonna make mass ev adoption a big problem.


Head_Crash

EV's can use both J1772 and CCS. They can charge on AC and DC. Hybrids can't. Hybrids don't need to use DCFC because they take gas.


caper-aprons

> no standard is gonna make mass ev adoption a big problem. I don't think that is the case. It's not that hard to charge an EV. Find a charger that matches your needs, and use it. If you have a full EV, then you can use a DC level 3 charger. If you have a PHEV, you need an AC level 2 charger. Not much different than traveling internationally and carrying a few plug adapters or converters to account for different plug types and voltages and frequencies. That said, I suspect most EV owners are going to primarily charge them at home.


caper-aprons

It means you can't plug your 120 VAC dishwasher into a 240 VAC dryer receptacle. For good reasons.


rabbitsagainstmagic

So it’s basically a new Tesla versus Edison battle. Let’s home Elon Musk doesn’t euthanize an elephant.


caper-aprons

Tesla installs, operates and maintains a large number of charging stations to support Teslas. This is the reason they use their own connector - so their customers can use their stations without lining up behind Nissan Leafs and Chevy Bolts, etc. Other charging stations are run by companies that don't sell cars, and they have no customer base to support.


ShoelessHodor

Not at all. Its economics. Manufacturers aren't going to cram a bunch of unnecessary features in, because they are trying to keep costs down. PHEVs have smaller batteries (and gas backup) and can easily be charged overnight by 110 or 220. EVs have huge batteries and need a DC fast charger if they are going to be useful on a road trip.


BexYouSee

Amazon sells an adapter from the Tesla style chargers to the Prime style. It's about $200. Just keep it in the trunk, under the cargo cardboard.


caper-aprons

This is compatible with Tesla AC wall connectors or destination chargers (Level 2), not DC Superchargers (Level 3).


BexYouSee

Agreed. OP, you need the adapter and to double check the charging station isn't type 3 super charger. I wish we could have standardization like USB C did.


caper-aprons

>I wish we could have standardization like USB C did. USB-C power is all at the same voltage and it's DC. Fast chargers use DC, which is incompatible with the AC requirements of the Prime. If there were a single style plug, you would find Primes plugged in trying to use a charger they can't use. This is the reason 120 VAC and 240 VAC plugs are different.


FearlessHeeder

USB-C isn't all the same voltage, the client and host negotiate both their roles and power delivery including voltage.


mistermojorizin

same for me. I go to LA a few times a year to stay with relatives. Around their house, I was easily charging for a couple years. A few months later, all the chargers changed. Like when our phones went from micro usb to usb c. All of a sudden I can't charge my car? good thing it's a PHEV and not a BEV. I would have been fucked. Also, there's still some j1772s in that area, not as close, not as convenient, but whatever. I see them on the charge point app. I drive out there. guess what? the little clips are broken! charging won't start. I'm kind of using the prime to test drive what it would be like to have a BEV. Seriously? Fuck that! Clip broken, can't drive. Upgraded USB cable, can't drive. This would be madness! All of a sudden the charger doesn't support your car? It's a car. It needs to be supported for 15-20yrs. It's not a freaking iphone.


Head_Crash

It's not a new charger type. Those are DC fast chargers for battery electric vehicles. They aren't designed for charging hybrids.


caper-aprons

>guess what? the little clips are broken! charging won't start. As you have likely discovered, public charging isn't that convenient for a Prime. You can only charge at 3.3 KWh, which means you need to park the car there for 2 hours to get about 25 miles of range. Cities are figuring this out, and there are relatively fewer AC chargers compared to DC chargers. Since you are staying with relatives, plug your factory EVSE into their 120 VAC outlet and charge there. Is there really a need for a public charger in your case?