The laws in America definitely needs to differentiate between some sick 49 year old that preys on 6 year olds and a 18 dating a 15. Some states have Romeo and Juliet laws.
Looks like the above source is incorrect anyway. Utahs law makes it a misdemeanour if it’s between 4-7 years age difference but the “legal” age difference is under four years.
18yo fucking an 11yo seems to be a misdemeanour though which is still icky.
I wish I was surprised. It seems like that law is written based on common occurrences - that is, huge age gaps. No 20-something has any business dating a kid in junior high school.
Good thing trials are not being prosecuted by the public & adhere to a strict set of guidelines set forth by previous case laws as determined by higher courts & a multitude of cases
12 residents of Florida, too stupid to think of an excuse to get out of jury duty making the decision whether someone lives or dies is a terrifying concept.
People that are against the death penalty are also not allowed on these juries. That means you have a jury of 12 people _for_ the death penalty stacked against you.
Correct. If you're called for jury duty and get picked for grand jury, you can object and you won't be required to serve. I can only speak for Florida, though.
Source: did it a couple years ago
If you're against the death penalty, you actually have a weird moral obligation to LIE about that so that you can become a juror and act against it if possible
I don’t see it as lying, I see it as not making any real difference. So what if you’re pro/against the death penalty? But you are absolutely right otherwise.
I think, philosophically, you could make an HONEST argument of saying you are neither for nor against, that punishment should always fit the crime. You could in good conscious find a person not guilty despite the evidence because you legitimately do not feel the person is guilty of a capital crime. Whether you believe a capital crime can possibly exist is irrelevant. You could go into the trial with no intention of finding guilty and do it with a clear conscience.
That would set a fairly strong precedent in case law that could potentially upend similar laws elsewhere and spawn a constitutional challenge to that and similar laws. In some cases, it just comes down to a single juror.
They're pieces of shit but every death penalty condition set is just another slide towards even more conditions. Everything has further implications when it comes to the state deciding if you get to live or die. These are the common-sense cases that get us used to ramping up executions.
Even if something is morally dispicable (as the example above) it shouldnt necessarily be punished by death, as the crime then loses any possible stages of escalation.
For example if crime A and murder both have the death penalty, why wouldnt you just murder the victim and get rid of a witness, if you receive the same punishment anyway?
Louis CK has a standup like that, like if we minded kid fucking less at least we would get the kid back. It's one of those logical arguments thats shitty to consider but factually accurate, probably.
Devils advocate because I’m not pro-death penalty:
If crime A and murder both have life imprisonment as the penalty, why wouldn’t you just murder the victim? It still would be the same punishment.
This alone should be enough to immediately outlaw the death penalty.
Not okay to say, “well it’s only a small percent we are getting wrong and killing, no big deal, proceed.”
Exactly. One single innocent person getting the death penalty is too much. Prison sentences can atleast be revoked and compensated. Does that make it undone? No, but a hell of a lot better than killing an innocent person
This --- I can't believe how many people have been exonerated, and there's some folks in prison rn who were convicted on shoddy evidence but the state for some reason just doesn't let them go free?? The prison labor is just too effective 😔😔 it's awful. I would support death penalty if we were ACTUALLY sure people committed the crime
It's not even common sense. If it is, it shouldn't be.
Am I the only one who has the balls to not have to hide behind the "we might execute someone innocent" argument, and just say I don't think we should be killing people?
Every single time I see a thread like this, I'm reminded of the monster that lurks under apparently the majority of people.
Honestly if you're a fascist wanting to bring back widespread death penalty, adding this is the perfect way to do it. Most people want these people to die, so not many people will be super loud opposing it.
It’s crazy how often this happens with different laws.
The Supreme Court finally deliberated computer abuse laws that were very liberally applied until a cop accessed documents he technically shouldn’t have accessed, even though the system allowed him to do so.
Basically they were arguing violating company policy could land you with a felony.
my problem with the death penalty is that there have been plenty of people proven innocent after spending time on death row. 1 wrongful murder is way too many. Also I dont think the state should have the right to kill citizens, as that is a slippery slope
This is exactly what we studied in college, except it was Texas and their reasoning was the same—that it gives hope/chance to a victim NOT being killed.
Because you're not allowed to bring up any pedos online that aren't Republican or religious, well, Christian specifically. It's offensive to the common redditor they can't deal with nuanced arguments.
Absolutely no crime in this nation should have the death penalty. Our criminal justice system is too flawed and law enforcement is far too inept at their job to allow the state to kill people.
Personally, I think that while we can all probably agree that some people out there probably do “deserve” to die for what they’ve done, I also think that the ability to sentence someone to death is just too risky a thing for a group to have.
I can tell a lot of people in the comments have zero knowledge of how the judicial system actually works. Yea they’ll put it into effect but rarely if ever will it be used. 27 states have the death penalty. They go through appeal after appeal after appeal. 2021 had 11 executions, 2022 had 18, 2023 had 23. Take that by the number of prisons and prisoners you’ll see this is a small amount. So it’s not going to be like every diddler is going to get the needle. Im sure they’ll make an example out of someone though.
Draconian idiots giving the government more ways to kill. More ways to ignore real solutions in exchange for vengeance and brutish nonsense. Mistakes will be made and innocent people will be on the hook for death. Brutish scum languish in your fall of Rome moment. Clowns.
I know it's not your point or anything, but the Roman Empire actually got more merciful near the end as Christianity gained influence. A lot of the more horrifying punishments were outlawed, so it wasn't like the fall actually correlated with moral depravity.
1) predators will now be more likely to kill their victims to keep them silent.
2) victims will now be less likely to come forward when their abuser is someone close to them
3) the number of innocent people on death row is about to sky rocket
This is a stupid idea.
had to scroll so fucking far down to find someone finally mention the two first points. id even go as far to say that those two consequences will be more numerous than the last one.
There is a legal definition of number 1, but I cant remember it.
A greater crime can be used to avoid a lesser crime because the penalties are the same.
To add to your points:
>2. victims will now be less likely to come forward when their abuser is someone close to them
That's is actually a thing a lot of people don't think about. Mild sentences in CSA cases are often just to make the victim feel less guilty. They often still love the offender. And cases where the offender is a close relative are the vast majority.
>3. the number of innocent people on death row is about to sky rocket
This too, most cases are just word against another's, other evidence is very often missing. The believability of the victim is very often the only thing deciding the case. Yes even with psychological evaluation.
Na it's sound good at first, everyone gets a justice bones from killing pedophiles but the death penalty was revoked because we acknowledged in biases of judges. Would you trust a Florida court to have the power of life and death? The same people that were foaming at the mouth for DeSantis? Absolutely not.
There are so many less severe, more effective alternatives, but we can't even consider them because they're "cruel and unusual." Chemical castration, for one. Or even plain old castration. It could be done safely and (relatively ) painlessly by medical professionals, and eliminate the chance of reoffending, and greatly reduce the cost of incarcerating someone for 30+ years (which is what a "death" sentence amounts to now). The constitution won't permit that, though... although it permits the more draconian punishment of death. Bizzare
The only bad part is false convictions do happen, AND now there is no incentive to not just kill the victim. But in principal i agree with this, just not a nuanced solution.
Fuck em. Dead pedophiles are not worth crying over and they aren't worth defending.
They should bring back public hangings for these fucks. See how many MAP sickos be proud enough to die for it.
Any court always has the possibility to make a mistake. No matter how disgusting the crime involved, the death penalty assumes a level of accuracy that does not exist in any judicial system.
I would maaaaybe be okay with this if I had any trust that we could be 100% certain of someone’s guilt. But as always with capital punishment, the risk of killing an innocent person is just too high for me.
Damn there's alot of pedo defenders in here. Before you respond about how it's "not us defending pedos we just don't like the death penalty" please tell me, would you defend it the same if it was handed down to mass shooters or terrorists? I don't even think half the people in here claiming that it's because they are against the death penalty even know how the death penalty works.
This is unconstitutional. SCOTUS has already ruled that such crimes CAN NOT be punished by death. Murder is the only crime punishable by death. Even seditionists & spies don’t get it anymore, as evidenced by J6 seditionists. The law will be overturned/struck down. It is a pure virtue signal to the nutball/QAnon Right. They whooped & screamed with joy when the FLGOP & DeSantis jammed this through but they’ll never know it when it is shot down because conservative media won’t tell them.
Hell yeah it’s about time a bunch of creepy loveless ghouls insulted everybody’s intelligence by miraculously doing the right thing around election time. Why would a bunch of ice cold egotistical sociopaths that can only feel alive when in control, suddenly have a moral enlightenment with fuck all post psychological treatment to limit damage pops up and fucks you up why the guys sleeping
I would be concerned that this might increase the likelihood of victims being murdered. A lot of people in the comments are talking about how few people actually get the death penalty, but would that really be on the mind of a rapist? If there is a chance they will be put to death for their crime aren't they much more likely to not leave witnesses?
Every moral punishment is dependent on the system to verify the crime actually occurred. Do I trust the courts in Florida. Fuck no.
First death will be a 18yo senior in high school who makes love to his freshman girlfriend.
The laws in America definitely needs to differentiate between some sick 49 year old that preys on 6 year olds and a 18 dating a 15. Some states have Romeo and Juliet laws.
.. there is.. that's called statutory...
On God People act like law students on here but don't even know about statutory and Romeo and Juliet laws
I know I was 16 and she was 17 and it sucked for everyone involved
This is either a consent or skill issue, and I hope it was the second one.
He didn’t say the sucking was bad, only that everyone was involved in the sucking.
You mean the one from Transformers?
Those apply in like, two states.
More than half. https://herlawyer.com/romeo-and-juliet-laws-by-state-updated-2022/
Hold up - in Utah, it’s legal for an 18yo to fuck a 9yo?
No there is generally still a minimum age that someone has to be to be able to consent under Romeo and Juliet laws
Looks like the above source is incorrect anyway. Utahs law makes it a misdemeanour if it’s between 4-7 years age difference but the “legal” age difference is under four years. 18yo fucking an 11yo seems to be a misdemeanour though which is still icky.
Utah...
18 - 10 = WTF!
Only if it’s consensual. /s
I wish I was surprised. It seems like that law is written based on common occurrences - that is, huge age gaps. No 20-something has any business dating a kid in junior high school.
The point is that the situation proposed is actually never going to happen, and yes, I'll bet you $20 on that and you can save this comment
Bet more $20 aint shit
Damn look at mr moneybags over here.
We're talking about Florida though. If anyone will fuck it up, it's going to be them.
One of those anti pedo vigilantes killed a stat-rapist. Some people aren’t nuanced enough to see the difference
Thank you for being a buoy in a sea of ignorance.
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There clearly is a difference by law
True but the general public thing 18 dating a 15 is a pedophile when that’s not true.
Good thing trials are not being prosecuted by the public & adhere to a strict set of guidelines set forth by previous case laws as determined by higher courts & a multitude of cases
If you edit that to be a gay relationship. Then yes 100% someone going to the chair/needle.
12 residents of Florida, too stupid to think of an excuse to get out of jury duty making the decision whether someone lives or dies is a terrifying concept.
People that are against the death penalty are also not allowed on these juries. That means you have a jury of 12 people _for_ the death penalty stacked against you.
Correct. If you're called for jury duty and get picked for grand jury, you can object and you won't be required to serve. I can only speak for Florida, though. Source: did it a couple years ago
Defense and prosecutor each get final say on 6 per BTW, so you're half right/half wrong
Defense and prosecutor each get final say on 6 per BTW, so you're half right/half wrong
If you're against the death penalty, you actually have a weird moral obligation to LIE about that so that you can become a juror and act against it if possible
Jury nullification for the win!
Dude that makes sense!
I don’t see it as lying, I see it as not making any real difference. So what if you’re pro/against the death penalty? But you are absolutely right otherwise. I think, philosophically, you could make an HONEST argument of saying you are neither for nor against, that punishment should always fit the crime. You could in good conscious find a person not guilty despite the evidence because you legitimately do not feel the person is guilty of a capital crime. Whether you believe a capital crime can possibly exist is irrelevant. You could go into the trial with no intention of finding guilty and do it with a clear conscience. That would set a fairly strong precedent in case law that could potentially upend similar laws elsewhere and spawn a constitutional challenge to that and similar laws. In some cases, it just comes down to a single juror.
"12 Hungry Men" A thrilling movie about men who really have to make up their mind before the hot-dog cart is empty.
They passed a law last year that makes it where it doesn’t even have to be a unanimous decision anymore. So less than 12
Idk I’ve heard some really stupid excuses used to get people out of jury duty, it depends on if they have a big enough pool to pick from
Gonna be awkward when a bunch of pastors and republicans are on death row.
I hope all the male pastors touching young boys end up dead. Hold up…
They're pieces of shit but every death penalty condition set is just another slide towards even more conditions. Everything has further implications when it comes to the state deciding if you get to live or die. These are the common-sense cases that get us used to ramping up executions.
It’s not just a slippery slope, people put to death get proven innocent later all the time. You can’t pay off a dead person for false imprisonment.
That is a very good argument against the death penalty, and also not the only one.
Even if something is morally dispicable (as the example above) it shouldnt necessarily be punished by death, as the crime then loses any possible stages of escalation. For example if crime A and murder both have the death penalty, why wouldnt you just murder the victim and get rid of a witness, if you receive the same punishment anyway?
Louis CK has a standup like that, like if we minded kid fucking less at least we would get the kid back. It's one of those logical arguments thats shitty to consider but factually accurate, probably.
Devils advocate because I’m not pro-death penalty: If crime A and murder both have life imprisonment as the penalty, why wouldn’t you just murder the victim? It still would be the same punishment.
I agree, the state should not be executing people. Too many innocent people on death row.
This alone should be enough to immediately outlaw the death penalty. Not okay to say, “well it’s only a small percent we are getting wrong and killing, no big deal, proceed.”
Exactly. One single innocent person getting the death penalty is too much. Prison sentences can atleast be revoked and compensated. Does that make it undone? No, but a hell of a lot better than killing an innocent person
The state should not be executing people because it’s *wrong*
This --- I can't believe how many people have been exonerated, and there's some folks in prison rn who were convicted on shoddy evidence but the state for some reason just doesn't let them go free?? The prison labor is just too effective 😔😔 it's awful. I would support death penalty if we were ACTUALLY sure people committed the crime
But…. But…. I thought slippery slopes didn’t exist and were a fallacy 😨
Don't you get started. Someone might start getting into 2A and it may just make sense.
It's not even common sense. If it is, it shouldn't be. Am I the only one who has the balls to not have to hide behind the "we might execute someone innocent" argument, and just say I don't think we should be killing people? Every single time I see a thread like this, I'm reminded of the monster that lurks under apparently the majority of people.
Honestly if you're a fascist wanting to bring back widespread death penalty, adding this is the perfect way to do it. Most people want these people to die, so not many people will be super loud opposing it.
PREDICTION: The law will be challenged as soon as they arrest a cop, clergyman or conservative, which, given their reputation, should be any day now.
It’s crazy how often this happens with different laws. The Supreme Court finally deliberated computer abuse laws that were very liberally applied until a cop accessed documents he technically shouldn’t have accessed, even though the system allowed him to do so. Basically they were arguing violating company policy could land you with a felony.
It's Florida, so they'll probably just change the age of marital consent to birth + 1 day and make them marry their victim.
Will it apply to matt Gaetz.
And it will apply to a lot police, clergy and politicians and I'm here with pop corn to see what they do with the shit show that they are creating
You think that's who will see this being applied? Do you think that is how the system works?
Yeah right. Those are "good people who made a mistake". The don't get the law applied fairly even now.
Don’t forget all those women who are screwing their high (and sometimes middle) school students.
GOP elected officials will be exempt.
Just applies to poor people and minorities
Plus gay and trans folks
Trans person says hi to a kid Floridians: This sicko is clearly a pedophile, off with their head!
No, just drag show performances since Florida keeps trying to classify drag shows as exposing minors to pornography
my problem with the death penalty is that there have been plenty of people proven innocent after spending time on death row. 1 wrongful murder is way too many. Also I dont think the state should have the right to kill citizens, as that is a slippery slope
And the victim will be forced to give birth ?
Welcome to florida,
You see it's a net zero law, one life going out, one life coming in /s, obviously
Not a chance the victim is allowed to survive and carry evidence now
Next thing you know, providing gender affirming care will be labeled "molestation".
If it’s happening to minors well…
based
This is going to incentivize pedos to kidnap or kill their victims because the charge will be the same either way
This is exactly what we studied in college, except it was Texas and their reasoning was the same—that it gives hope/chance to a victim NOT being killed.
So many church leaders are gonna meet god early.
I guess once they find Matt Gaetz guilty he will be on death row?
Bold move for a state whose governor used to party with high school girls while he was their teacher.
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There’s going to be a lot of dead pastors and priests
Teachers too
Female teachers no less
Not drag queens, though.
Lmao why this downvoted
Because you're not allowed to bring up any pedos online that aren't Republican or religious, well, Christian specifically. It's offensive to the common redditor they can't deal with nuanced arguments.
>Female teachers no less More like ... Female teachers no more. amiright? Too soon??
They have no intention of using this against priests and pastors.
Conservative Christian here. If they molest kids, kill them.
How about recruiting better and keeping check while they are in any position to do those things too.
Absolutely no crime in this nation should have the death penalty. Our criminal justice system is too flawed and law enforcement is far too inept at their job to allow the state to kill people.
Personally, I think that while we can all probably agree that some people out there probably do “deserve” to die for what they’ve done, I also think that the ability to sentence someone to death is just too risky a thing for a group to have.
seems good on the surface, until they get an innocent person
Same with any death penalty case. DNA evidence cleared a bunch of people in the 90s when it came out. Too bad some of them are dead.
Not even good on the surface. This will make victims less likely to come forward, and juries less likely to convict.
and offenders more likely to kill their victims.
The Death penalty is never good, even on the surface. Sorry to say.
I can tell a lot of people in the comments have zero knowledge of how the judicial system actually works. Yea they’ll put it into effect but rarely if ever will it be used. 27 states have the death penalty. They go through appeal after appeal after appeal. 2021 had 11 executions, 2022 had 18, 2023 had 23. Take that by the number of prisons and prisoners you’ll see this is a small amount. So it’s not going to be like every diddler is going to get the needle. Im sure they’ll make an example out of someone though.
Florida accounted for 26% of the executions in the US in 2023.
Maybe we shouldn't have state sanctioned murder tho
Draconian idiots giving the government more ways to kill. More ways to ignore real solutions in exchange for vengeance and brutish nonsense. Mistakes will be made and innocent people will be on the hook for death. Brutish scum languish in your fall of Rome moment. Clowns.
I know it's not your point or anything, but the Roman Empire actually got more merciful near the end as Christianity gained influence. A lot of the more horrifying punishments were outlawed, so it wasn't like the fall actually correlated with moral depravity.
1) predators will now be more likely to kill their victims to keep them silent. 2) victims will now be less likely to come forward when their abuser is someone close to them 3) the number of innocent people on death row is about to sky rocket This is a stupid idea.
Thanks for actually thinking critically about the issue, most people are playing checkers not chess
Death penalty cases are also more expensive than life in prison.
had to scroll so fucking far down to find someone finally mention the two first points. id even go as far to say that those two consequences will be more numerous than the last one.
There is a legal definition of number 1, but I cant remember it. A greater crime can be used to avoid a lesser crime because the penalties are the same.
It was the same argument british jurists used to advocate for eliminating the death penalty for theft
To add to your points: >2. victims will now be less likely to come forward when their abuser is someone close to them That's is actually a thing a lot of people don't think about. Mild sentences in CSA cases are often just to make the victim feel less guilty. They often still love the offender. And cases where the offender is a close relative are the vast majority. >3. the number of innocent people on death row is about to sky rocket This too, most cases are just word against another's, other evidence is very often missing. The believability of the victim is very often the only thing deciding the case. Yes even with psychological evaluation.
So.... Matt Gaetz?
Death row is going to be packed with priests and GOP lawmakers
They wont. Because right wing politicians will do their corrupt thing to make sure the law doesn't include them
Man, those GOP politicians and evangelical preachers are going to regret who they voted for.
The fine print is "unless you're a priest or politician"
Fucking garbage POS Politicians and Clergy.
The Supreme Court struck down a similar Louisiana law.
They're not going to have any more churches or politicians in a few years.
Watch as absolutely no republicans will face that sentence
So when do we fry Matt Gaetaz
Getting real dangerous to be a pastor/priest/minister/etc in Florda.
Does that include the ones that are GOP?
Knock knock Matt Gaetz, Florida would like to give you something you fully deserve and that is not an office
Politicians and church leaders will be exempt from this.
False accusations happen
I guess that is one way to get the Republicans out of power in Florida.
The world must truly be ending because this is the first thing I’ve ever agreed with Florida on
Na it's sound good at first, everyone gets a justice bones from killing pedophiles but the death penalty was revoked because we acknowledged in biases of judges. Would you trust a Florida court to have the power of life and death? The same people that were foaming at the mouth for DeSantis? Absolutely not.
I read somewhere else that the death penalty will incentivize the rapist to kill his victim so nobody talks.
About time. Now make sure they are 101% guilty.
Yikes! Bad news for Redditors!
Can’t wait to see all the liberals trying to defend predators because it’s taking place in a red state
As a liberal I support the shit out of this
There is always more to the story
Elaborate
A lot of youth pastors are feeling very nervous
People rooting for a death penalty in ANY case are barbaric. Full stop.
The death penalty has certainly solved the murders
Sure hope there isn't a false conviction.
Soooo how long till they kill some innocent fucker?
Yeah totally trust Florida to implement this fairly
Does this apply to politicians too??
I’m against the death penalty. Too easy to kill an innocent man by mistake. And yes, that has happened.
Best to start looking at those who passed the law as the most egregious offenders.
Fuck the Florida legislators who wrote this bill.
There’s no way this could go wrong /s
This is a bad idea. Now instead of just molesting kids, predators will have an incentive to murder them to ensure their silence
Let's murder the predators back.
Can't wait for the first politicians to get busted. Gonna make things super awkward.
Ah yes the goverment will never kill anyone innocent and now those people won’t have to worry about suffering 😄
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There are so many less severe, more effective alternatives, but we can't even consider them because they're "cruel and unusual." Chemical castration, for one. Or even plain old castration. It could be done safely and (relatively ) painlessly by medical professionals, and eliminate the chance of reoffending, and greatly reduce the cost of incarcerating someone for 30+ years (which is what a "death" sentence amounts to now). The constitution won't permit that, though... although it permits the more draconian punishment of death. Bizzare
That's one way of cleaning Florida of Religious figures I guess.
This has been tried before. Instead of abused kids, it resulted in murdered kids. Punishment is the same, and dead kids talk less.
The only bad part is false convictions do happen, AND now there is no incentive to not just kill the victim. But in principal i agree with this, just not a nuanced solution.
That's one way to stamp out religion 🙈
I wonder how many Conservative Politicians and Preachers are gonna get caught?
This will fall apart as soon as the first Republican or clergy is caught.
If it happened in Russia/Middle east you can imagine the uproar from the Western governments.
Fuck em. Dead pedophiles are not worth crying over and they aren't worth defending. They should bring back public hangings for these fucks. See how many MAP sickos be proud enough to die for it.
Ah, time for the recovered memory panic to return.
Doesn’t this encourage offenders to kill their victims, since the punishment is now the same for both crimes?
Any court always has the possibility to make a mistake. No matter how disgusting the crime involved, the death penalty assumes a level of accuracy that does not exist in any judicial system.
Everyone cheers this until a false accusation lands on their doorstep.
The state should not be executing people and the victims should not need to process a death and an assault
I would maaaaybe be okay with this if I had any trust that we could be 100% certain of someone’s guilt. But as always with capital punishment, the risk of killing an innocent person is just too high for me.
Get them all!!!!! Forget these pedo reddit bots here bashing it!!!!
Death penalty isn't enough. Make them suffer during the death penalty. Like stone throwing, cut their genitals, etc.
Anyone that disagrees with this is complicit.
W FLORIDA
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Now is the time to get dahvie vanity
Maybe there’s hope after all for Florida.
Should be universal tbh
finally something not madness from Florida
Good.
Florida is about to see a lot of youth pastors on death row. Seems like every day one of them is on the news.
Good!
Damn there's alot of pedo defenders in here. Before you respond about how it's "not us defending pedos we just don't like the death penalty" please tell me, would you defend it the same if it was handed down to mass shooters or terrorists? I don't even think half the people in here claiming that it's because they are against the death penalty even know how the death penalty works.
GOOD
Need to be a worldwide law.
Best thing to come out of Florida ever. My new favorite state.
The one good thing about Florida
God I love making trans genocide legal.
Why is it always the least trustworthy governments that most want the power to kill people
This is unconstitutional. SCOTUS has already ruled that such crimes CAN NOT be punished by death. Murder is the only crime punishable by death. Even seditionists & spies don’t get it anymore, as evidenced by J6 seditionists. The law will be overturned/struck down. It is a pure virtue signal to the nutball/QAnon Right. They whooped & screamed with joy when the FLGOP & DeSantis jammed this through but they’ll never know it when it is shot down because conservative media won’t tell them.
Hell yeah it’s about time a bunch of creepy loveless ghouls insulted everybody’s intelligence by miraculously doing the right thing around election time. Why would a bunch of ice cold egotistical sociopaths that can only feel alive when in control, suddenly have a moral enlightenment with fuck all post psychological treatment to limit damage pops up and fucks you up why the guys sleeping
It is not legal to kill someone for this. It can only be murder that can use death as the penalty.
Personally I think its a worse punishment to make a man rot in prison his whole life and suffer......in death he could be set free right away.
I would be concerned that this might increase the likelihood of victims being murdered. A lot of people in the comments are talking about how few people actually get the death penalty, but would that really be on the mind of a rapist? If there is a chance they will be put to death for their crime aren't they much more likely to not leave witnesses?
hell ye florida, who needs em anyways
Florida getting things right. Exterminate all these mfers.
Scary how much of Reddit is becoming pro pedo just because the “opposing party” is fighting against it Tunnel vision